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broncofan7
10-04-2009, 02:54 PM
to win over the skeptics like ME---GAME ON.

UtahBroncos
10-04-2009, 02:59 PM
This is awful. Lets go Broncos!!!

Natedog24
10-04-2009, 03:00 PM
This is aweful. Lets go Broncos!!!

Agreed and welcome to the Mane

broncofan7
10-04-2009, 03:02 PM
Agreed and welcome to the Mane

It's 'awful' that there are Bronco fans who are skeptical of neckbeard?? Really? are you that naive?...........

errand
10-04-2009, 03:10 PM
It didn't take long did it......and of course it's one of the usual suspects.

UtahBroncos
10-04-2009, 03:10 PM
Agreed and welcome to the Mane



Touchdown.........................Thanks for the welcome!!!

broncofan7
10-04-2009, 03:12 PM
He is one lucky SOB!

broncofan7
10-04-2009, 03:13 PM
It didn't take long did it......and of course it's one of the usual suspects.

usual suspects? you clown---I am giving him a chance to win me over--I told you that i didn't think he could lead us back when being down 10-0--now here is his chance to prove me wrong........

Spider
10-04-2009, 03:15 PM
to win over the skeptics like ME---GAME ON.

I am sure this is a load off of Ortons mind .........

broncofan7
10-04-2009, 03:31 PM
Where is Orton's accuracy ABOVE 15 yards to our WR's?

Doggcow
10-04-2009, 03:37 PM
He nailed Marshall, just had a great play by defender knock it down.

Aftermath
10-04-2009, 03:38 PM
agreed, nows the chance to prove your not a joke orton, anytime he throws over 12 yards its embarrassingly unaccurate

snowspot66
10-04-2009, 03:42 PM
Oh bull****. He's shown he can hit guys at distance.

Yeah he's off today. And if we don't stop these ****ing penalties he's never going to get a chance to get it turned on.

fontaine
10-04-2009, 03:44 PM
What is Orton supposed to do exactly?

Orton didn't commit those last four penalties. All he can do is manage the game when the RBs set it up and so far the running game and OL haven't gotten it done through too many penalties and other bs.

broncofan7
10-04-2009, 03:44 PM
Oh bull****. He's shown he can hit guys at distance.

Yeah he's off today. And if we don't stop these ****ing penalties he's never going to get a chance to get it turned on.

not consistently--he completes about 1 PER GAME.

Archer81
10-04-2009, 03:46 PM
Denver doesnt have the penalties, no doubt in my mind they lead this game.

They knock it off, Dallas goes home with a L.

:Broncos:

snowspot66
10-04-2009, 03:47 PM
not consistently--he completes about 1 PER GAME.

We don't throw that many do we now. And he's competed several. You'll hate him no matter what he does today.

broncofan7
10-04-2009, 03:47 PM
What is Orton supposed to do exactly?

Orton didn't commit those last four penalties. All he can do is manage the game when the RBs set it up and so far the running game and OL haven't gotten it done through too many penalties and other bs.

Hit Gaffney IN STRIDE--not overthrowing an open Marshall..........I could go on--do me a FAVOR--listen to Aikman--he is describing how inaccurate Orton is--If you cannot rely on your own eyes to tell you the truth--listent o TROY---hell even on his TD pass he stated that Moreno wasn't open and Orton threw it anyhow--lucky for him it turned out well..........

spdirty
10-04-2009, 03:48 PM
I just hope he can bring Brandstater around.

Archer81
10-04-2009, 03:49 PM
Hit Gaffney IN STRIDE--not overthrowing an open Marshall..........I could go on--do me a FAVOR--listen to Aikman--he is describing how inaccurate Orton is--If you cannot rely on your own eyes to tell you the truth--listent o TROY---hell even on his TD pass he stated that Moreno wasn't open and Orton threw it anyhow--lucky for him it turned out well..........


He didnt overthrow an "open" Marshall. The ball got knocked away by one of the two guys covering him. Denver had a rough half. I am happy to see that in 30 minutes of play you can completely trash a guy for having an off Half.

:Broncos:

strafen
10-04-2009, 03:50 PM
3 and 29 with Orton at qb?!
Might as well punt the freakin' ball!

NYBronco
10-04-2009, 03:53 PM
He nailed Marshall, just had a great play by defender knock it down.

That was a nice pass and a great defensive play. Plain to see on the replay.

broncofan7
10-04-2009, 04:08 PM
GET this sorry POS off the field!!!! he is as lead footed as he is noodle armed.........and what does he do in 3rd and long--throw SCREEN pases

broncofan7
10-04-2009, 04:09 PM
even Aikman is noticing--what is the rate limiting factor between last years offense and this year's? Our PATHETIC PEDESTRIAN QB.........open up your mind and turn Aikman UP.......

errand
10-04-2009, 04:20 PM
GET this sorry POS off the field!!!! he is as lead footed as he is noodle armed.........and what does he do in 3rd and long--throw SCREEN pases

you mean screen pass that took us from 3rd and 29 to 4th and 1?

He runs the play he's told to run....and it almost worked...either way punting the ball on 4th and 1 is better than punting on 4th and 29. We gained an extra 28 yards of field position because he did what he was told to do.

broncofan7
10-04-2009, 04:24 PM
you mean screen pass that took us from 3rd and 29 to 4th and 1?

He runs the play he's told to run....and it almost worked...either way punting the ball on 4th and 1 is better than punting on 4th and 29. We gained an extra 28 yards of field position because he did what he was told to do.

Because the coaches know he is limited--McD is like a special ED teacher with Orton @ QB......

broncofan7
10-04-2009, 04:25 PM
wow! two good passes to
Scheffler!

Spider
10-04-2009, 04:26 PM
you mean screen pass that took us from 3rd and 29 to 4th and 1?

He runs the play he's told to run....and it almost worked...either way punting the ball on 4th and 1 is better than punting on 4th and 29. We gained an extra 28 yards of field position because he did what he was told to do.

:thumbsup:

broncofan7
10-04-2009, 04:37 PM
:thumbsup:

a screen pass that was all about Buck's effort and heart..........I hope his ankle isn't too bad......

Spider
10-04-2009, 04:39 PM
a screen pass that was all about Buck's effort and heart..........I hope his ankle isn't too bad......
so whats your point ?Orton did his job ,buc did his.......why do you have a hard time understanding this ?

broncofan7
10-04-2009, 04:43 PM
so whats your point ?Orton did his job ,buc did his.......why do you have a hard time understanding this ?

B/c the coaches know he is SO DAMN LIMITED..........that is my point-yet they are stubborn enough to continue trotting his sorry A$$ out there.......

broncofan7
10-04-2009, 04:43 PM
We would be getting shut the F.....U....C.............K out AT HOME if he was not given the ball at the DAL 11 yard line........

Spider
10-04-2009, 04:49 PM
B/c the coaches know he is SO DAMN LIMITED..........that is my point-yet they are stubborn enough to continue trotting his sorry A$$ out there.......

LOL you are a ****ing Idiot ..................

broncofan7
10-04-2009, 04:59 PM
Orton gets Moreno's ankle 'blowed' up.........nice--he is so god damn inept!

lex
10-04-2009, 05:05 PM
This thread is turning out to be prophetic. This is indeed a test for Orton.

broncofan7
10-04-2009, 05:07 PM
Orton has mastered the hand-off from the shotgun formation......it is Jedi Like......

broncofan7
10-04-2009, 05:10 PM
WOW! Good throw!!! Better Run--I give Orton credit for that throw for sure!!!!!!!!!

broncofan7
10-04-2009, 05:11 PM
Hell YEAH! Where can I order my Orton Jersey!

broncofan7
10-04-2009, 05:15 PM
****kkkkkkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!

broncofan7
10-04-2009, 05:21 PM
I will name my next son Kyle Orton Broncofan7

Spider
10-04-2009, 05:21 PM
I will name my next son Kyle Orton Broncofan7

LOL come on , lets just enjoy the 4-0 win ;D ............

snowspot66
10-04-2009, 05:26 PM
****ty start to the game but he came through when it mattered. ****ty game plan. Lets play to the strength of this offense next week and avoid the heart attack. The long ball isn't anybody's strength and definitely not ours. Guys are never open. It wasn't with Cutler either. It got us beat at home against Oakland last year. Thank God for defense this year.

McDenver
10-04-2009, 05:26 PM
4-0 baby! Oh yeah, Orton was QB for all 4 wins.

theAPAOps5
10-04-2009, 05:35 PM
Dumb thread by a dumb poster. 4-0 baby!

Archer81
10-04-2009, 05:38 PM
We would be getting shut the F.....U....C.............K out AT HOME if he was not given the ball at the DAL 11 yard line........


You kind of suck.


:Broncos:

fontaine
10-04-2009, 05:43 PM
Look I understand the hate for Orton. I don't think he's a very good QB, just a decent QB with one strength and that's not turning over the ball.

What do you expect him to be? Jay Cutler, John Elway? That'll never happen. He'll play as good or as bad as the rest of the offense.

If the running game is average, if the OL is poor like it was at times today then hell yes, he'll look awful. But the one thing you can't say is that he played poorly today when he got time in the pocket and when guys were open.

When the OL/WRs step up then Orton will get the job done. At this point it's not an ideal situation but make no mistake, it's the BEST situation we can have at this point with the QBs we have.

That's good enough for me.

scorpio
10-04-2009, 05:46 PM
Dumb thread by a dumb poster.

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snowspot66
10-04-2009, 05:50 PM
Look I understand the hate for Orton. I don't think he's a very good QB, just a decent QB with one strength and that's not turning over the ball.

What do you expect him to be? Jay Cutler, John Elway? That'll never happen. He'll play as good or as bad as the rest of the offense.

If the running game is average, if the OL is poor like it was at times today then hell yes, he'll look awful. But the one thing you can't say is that he played poorly today when he got time in the pocket and when guys were open.

When the OL/WRs step up then Orton will get the job done. At this point it's not an ideal situation but make no mistake, it's the BEST situation we can have at this point with the QBs we have.

That's good enough for me.

It's '05 all over again. We just have to put him in position to succeed. Didn't do the best job of that today but we gave him the chance to come through and he did that last quarter.

fontaine
10-04-2009, 05:54 PM
It's '05 all over again. We just have to put him in position to succeed. Didn't do the best job of that today but we gave him the chance to come through and he did that last quarter.

That's exactly it. Orton is never going to carry this offense. That's why we have the kind of RBs we do and invested a 1st round pick in Moreno.

Orton made mistakes today, but he didn't commit all those penalties that killed our drives in the first half, he didn't fumble the ball on the first play of the 2nd half.

If you're going to criticize the QB then be honest about it because there's plenty of blame to go around on offense. As long as our running game keeps pounding away and our WRs do their job then Orton will do enough to put points on the board.

Broncos_OTM
10-04-2009, 06:00 PM
dumb thread by a dumb poster. 4-0 baby!+1

Bronco Bob
10-04-2009, 06:03 PM
to win over the skeptics like ME---GAME ON.

Did Orton win you over?

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10-04-2009, 06:06 PM
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OABB
10-04-2009, 07:12 PM
Broncofan7 just pwned himself in his own thread! what a douchenozzle.

Garcia Bronco
10-04-2009, 07:15 PM
Marshall and Orton are going to break out down the road. Hopefully next week.

Boobs McGee
10-04-2009, 07:28 PM
usual suspects? you clown---I am giving him a chance to win me over--I told you that i didn't think he could lead us back when being down 10-0--now here is his chance to prove me wrong........

TADAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!


suck it bitch ;D

Doggcow
10-04-2009, 07:33 PM
TADAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!


suck it b**** ;D

TADAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Love it! REP!

watermock
10-04-2009, 07:40 PM
Beavis is stealing signals!

Taco John
10-04-2009, 07:43 PM
Orton is the perfect mix of Griese and Plummer... Ha!

errand
10-04-2009, 08:11 PM
Sorry clown, you should have gotten on board when the season began...there's no room for your crow eating ass on the bandwagon.

BTW...Orton started off 3-9 and then ended up hitting 17 of his next 19. Orton is now 25-12 as an NFL starter...which puts his winning % up to 67%.

lex
10-04-2009, 08:15 PM
Sorry clown, you should have gotten on board when the season began...there's no room for your crow eating ass on the bandwagon.

BTW...Orton started off 3-9 and then ended up hitting 17 of his next 19. Orton is now 25-12 as an NFL starter...which puts his winning % up to 67%.

How much of that was from being carried by a defense and running game? Thats such a nonsensical stat, which is why Im not surprised to see you spewing this kind of tripe.

theAPAOps5
10-04-2009, 08:16 PM
How much of that was from being carried by a defense and running game? Thats such a nonsensical stat, which is why Im not surprised to see you spewing this kind of tripe.

You heard clown and came running. Not talking about you this time.

errand
10-04-2009, 08:17 PM
BTW...broncofan7....aren't you tired of always being proven wrong on practically every issue? you should follow George Costanza's lead...if every instinct you have is wrong, then by logic the opposite would be right.

The problem you have though is you've pissed and moaned like an idiot on here for so long you'll never be able to remove the 'douche" label you've rapidly earned.

BroncsRule
10-04-2009, 08:17 PM
Sorry clown, you should have gotten on board when the season began...there's no room for your crow eating ass on the bandwagon.

BTW...Orton started off 3-9 and then ended up hitting 17 of his next 19. Orton is now 25-12 as an NFL starter...which puts his winning % up to 67%.

His winning percentage as a Bronco is 100.00% - which is an even better stat than 6.5 ppg..

errand
10-04-2009, 08:20 PM
How much of that was from being carried by a defense and running game? Thats such a nonsensical stat, which is why Im not surprised to see you spewing this kind of tripe.

So should we discount any Broncos victory that the defense played a heavy hand in?

rubaiyat
10-04-2009, 08:20 PM
Did Orton win you over?

Not enought yet to crown him a Pro Bowler or franchise or anything, but he's doing a damn good job in the early going!!! 4-0 is about a game better than I would have expected here in my optimistic prognostications.

errand
10-04-2009, 08:26 PM
Well the widowers have a new crisis to deal with...the Broncos will have to lose their last 12 games in order for their "4-12 team without Cutler and Shanny" crapola to come true.

cutthemdown
10-04-2009, 08:29 PM
Orton is a little off. I find it sort of annoying though that his own fans aren't giving him props for playing after a bone came poking out his finger.

Most of you, Broncofan7 included, would be home for weeks sucking down vicoden instead of going to work.

lex
10-04-2009, 08:30 PM
So should we discount any Broncos victory that the defense played a heavy hand in?

You still dont get it. Youre giving too much credit to QBs for victories. Theyre not professional fighters slugging it out against other QBs in a boxing ring. Theyre not even starting pitchers.

TonyR
10-04-2009, 08:42 PM
You still dont get it.

The premise of this thread was that Orton couldn't bring the Broncos back from down 10-0. He did. The OP was proven wrong.

Hercules Rockefeller
10-04-2009, 08:46 PM
Well this was an epic fail

TailgateNut
10-04-2009, 08:47 PM
The premise of this thread was that Orton couldn't bring the Broncos back from down 10-0. He did. The OP was proven wrong.

The OP is in the running for Douche of the year award. Lex, the Rev and jhns are on his ass....:~ohyah!:

BroncoInSkinland
10-04-2009, 09:13 PM
From this point forward Orton is his W/L record from me, meaning he is 100% win right now. No talk of surrounding cast, the surrounding cast IS Orton, he leads them, they fight with and for him. He may not have won this game with his arm, but he did everything necessary to win it with every other element of the team. Orton is the QB we need, he will probably not give us 40 yard through the air passes in stride to receivers, and he will make sure he doesn't need to. Orton crow being eaten.

Mr.Meanie
10-04-2009, 10:52 PM
even Aikman is noticing--what is the rate limiting factor between last years offense and this year's? Our PATHETIC PEDESTRIAN QB.........open up your mind and turn Aikman UP.......

LOL. Except our QB is #1 in the league in the 4th quarter, and 4-0. Every week you open your mouth and every week you get owned. When will you learn to stfu?

Natedogg
10-04-2009, 11:05 PM
Thank god I finally got around to putting Broncofan7 on ignore.

rubaiyat
10-04-2009, 11:08 PM
LOL. Except our QB is #1 in the league in the 4th quarter, and 4-0. Every week you open your mouth and every week you get owned. When will you learn to stfu?

Well, wouldn't mind some stronger showings in those other three quarters, given we know where 87 yards and a TD in 1/4th of the games so far have come from, but yeah I have to agree.

Rock Chalk
10-04-2009, 11:08 PM
You still dont get it. Youre giving too much credit to QBs for victories. Theyre not professional fighters slugging it out against other QBs in a boxing ring. Theyre not even starting pitchers.

lex, you seem like you can be reasonable.

7-9, 106 yards, 10 points orchestrated by Orton.

He is the best 4th Quarter QB in the league this year.

WTF dude. The OP was challenging Orton to come through, he did. Epic fail.

lex
10-04-2009, 11:14 PM
lex, you seem like you can be reasonable.

7-9, 106 yards, 10 points orchestrated by Orton.

He is the best 4th Quarter QB in the league this year.

WTF dude. The OP was challenging Orton to come through, he did. Epic fail.

7/9, 106 is a credible. Wins and losses are not.

rubaiyat
10-04-2009, 11:22 PM
7/9, 106 is a credible. Wins and losses are not.

I agree. Same reasoning essentially as I hold for starting pitchers, especially nowadays.

Head coaches, at least in football are another story.

HAT
10-04-2009, 11:23 PM
I just hope he can bring Brandstater around.

Agreed man... Brandstater should clearly be starting.

This season is a throwaway anyway. They may as well get the rook some PT.

Rock Chalk
10-04-2009, 11:25 PM
Orton is the perfect mix of Griese and Plummer... Ha!

Dude, do you know anything about football?

He is nothing at all like Griese in anyway. He has some bit of Plummer in his moxy and leadership but he is completely different than Plummer in how he plays.

I dont think he is like any QB I have witnessed *Edit: for the broncos *. I didnt see Morton play, maybe he is more like him>

HAT
10-04-2009, 11:31 PM
From this point forward Orton is his W/L record from me, meaning he is 100% win right now. No talk of surrounding cast, the surrounding cast IS Orton, he leads them, they fight with and for him. He may not have won this game with his arm, but he did everything necessary to win it with every other element of the team. Orton is the QB we need, he will probably not give us 40 yard through the air passes in stride to receivers, and he will make sure he doesn't need to.

Great, great post BIS. Seriously....I'm not trying to be a smart ass in the least, this sums up my feelings to a T.

Whatever your feelings were about the trade.....NB is proving to be the ultimate team player.

Cassell miss McD much?????

bfoflcommish
10-04-2009, 11:37 PM
Because the coaches know he is limited--McD is like a special ED teacher with Orton @ QB......

they get 28 yards on that play because d was playing back waiting for the long throw. would you rather had had an int???????

ZONA
10-04-2009, 11:48 PM
Orton is a little off. I find it sort of annoying though that his own fans aren't giving him props for playing after a bone came poking out his finger.

Most of you, Broncofan7 included, would be home for weeks sucking down vicoden instead of going to work.

no doubt. and broncofan7 lost a ton of mane credit today. Good god dude, could you cry any louder?

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 06:16 AM
LOOK AT THE OPENING LINE OF THIS THREAD

to win over the skeptics like ME---GAME ON.

The premise of this thread is a VERY VERY openminded one--a chance to win over skeptics like me--for 3.5 qtrs--he didn't do it--then he came through on that last drive--he played great in the 4th.......No where in my ORIGINAL post did I say he WOULD NOT DO IT--just that I was SKEPTICAL. I wrote that this is HIS CHANCE 'TO WIN OVER SKEPTICS LIKE ME'--and he did. It's funny all of the 'told ya' so' posters who came into this thread when in the ORIGINAL POST it was never stated that he WOULD NOT--just that this was his CHANCE--and he came through like a champion...........but continue high fiving each other and cupping each other's balls while believing in a premise THAT NEVER EXISTED WHEN THIS THREAD WAS STARTED........:clown:

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 06:27 AM
+1

Don't you have a Skinhead's anonymous meeting to attend? 10 years as a member of a hate group---HIGH FIVES! :rofl:

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 06:31 AM
You kind of suck.


:Broncos:

Rumor is YOU ACTUALLY DO SUCK.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 06:34 AM
Broncofan7 just pwned himself in his own thread! what a douchenozzle.

If you had any reading comprehension abilities you could understand what this means


Now is his chance to win over the skeptics like ME---GAME ON.

And he did. As long as our defense doesn' t allow 20 points--we will win.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 06:37 AM
TADAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!


suck it b**** ;D

You're an idiot--I gave a him a fair chance--and he won me over--if the game is close at the end--Orton will pull it out--if our defense gives up over 20 points--we are still going to be in trouble.........

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-05-2009, 06:39 AM
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awesome! Rep!!!! Rofl!

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 06:41 AM
no doubt. and broncofan7 lost a ton of mane credit today. Good god dude, could you cry any louder?

'Mane Cred'--:rofl: Ridiculous--many of you OBVIOUSLY lack the reading comprehension skills necessary to carry on a conversation--let alone have the intellect to carry on a debate--GO READ THE ORIGINAL POST AGAIN--I gave a Orton a chance --and he came through with flying colors-if the game is close--I believe in Orton to pull it out.....He played tremendous in the 4th qtr.....

errand
10-05-2009, 06:45 AM
You still dont get it. Youre giving too much credit to QBs for victories. Theyre not professional fighters slugging it out against other QBs in a boxing ring. Theyre not even starting pitchers.

WR makes a great catch and it counts as a completed pass, does it not?

WR drops a ball that hits him square in the hands, does it not count as an incompleted pass?

WR makes a catch of 7 yard pass, then blows by everyone for a 90 yard TD...how many passing yards does QB get credit for?

...and who would you have blamed if we had lost this game? The D that gave up all the points or the QB for not scoring more than the D gave up?

broncswin
10-05-2009, 06:46 AM
Wow...we have some dumba$$ fans on this board, we are 4-0...this is a major suprise to most...but lets break it down as to why we suck a$$ and how this season is a lost cause anyway...I think we should just quit...Broncos won, act like it!!

errand
10-05-2009, 06:50 AM
Rumor is YOU ACTUALLY DO SUCK.

..and you swallow. You remind of TJ during the Griese-Plummer years...always on the wrong side of the QB argument.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 06:53 AM
..and you swallow. You remind of TJ during the Griese-Plummer years...always on the wrong side of the QB argument.

Aghh! Did I hit a personal note with you? Defending the 'honor' of thy lover? Funny how you post a retort to a post that was directed at someone else after he slandered me due to his dis interest in being honest about the premise of this thread--Me giving Orton a chance-----If the game is close--I have confidence in Orton to come back and win it--if a team scores above 20 on us--we would be in trouble.......

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-05-2009, 06:53 AM
'Mane Cred'--:rofl: Ridiculous--many of you OBVIOUSLY lack the reading comprehension skills necessary to carry on a conversation--let alone have the intellect to carry on a debate--GO READ THE ORIGINAL POST AGAIN--I gave a Orton a chance --and he came through with flying colors-if the game is close--I believe in Orton to pull it out.....He played tremendous in the 4th qtr.....
We now need you to stipulate which "Orton" every time you post! ???
Your future son Orton or the UNDEFEATED NFL Broncos QB Orton? :yayaya:

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 06:55 AM
We now need you to stipulate which "Orton" every time you post! ???
Your future son Orton or the UNDEFEATED NFL Broncos QB Orton? :yayaya:

You are poking fun at me celebrating a BRONCOS WIN?

Hey Meck77--is he a GOOD FAN LIKE YOU?

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-05-2009, 07:03 AM
It's fun, you started a thread (it will one day be archived), and now you ARE Orton's #1 Fan - you have NO choice!

Welcome (back) aboard Bronco brother!!! ;)

errand
10-05-2009, 07:05 AM
Aghh! Did I hit a personal note with you? Defending the 'honor' of thy lover? Funny how you post a retort to a post that was directed at someone else after he slandered me due to his dis interest in being honest about the premise of this thread--Me giving Orton a chance-----If the game is close--I have confidence in Orton to come back and win it--if a team scores above 20 on us--we would be in trouble.......

You're way too transparent douche....you're just biding your time until we do lose a game....

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 07:06 AM
It's fun, you started a thread (it will one day be archived), and now you ARE Orton's #1 Fan - you have NO choice!

Welcome (back) aboard Bronco brother!!! ;)

Ridiculous--I want the BEST for my Broncos and Kyle Orton--while better in the clutch than I expected--is no where NEAR consistent enough to lead us into championship contention.........If the game is close--I now have faith in him to pull it out..........thank god for Mike Nolan, Dawkins and our D/ST......

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 07:09 AM
You're way too transparent douche....you're just biding your time until we do lose a game....

If we lose a game 33-27 I will not be blaming Orton............If we lose 7-6 or 10-7--I will BE.

lex
10-05-2009, 07:17 AM
WR makes a great catch and it counts as a completed pass, does it not?

WR drops a ball that hits him square in the hands, does it not count as an incompleted pass?

WR makes a catch of 7 yard pass, then blows by everyone for a 90 yard TD...how many passing yards does QB get credit for?

...and who would you have blamed if we had lost this game? The D that gave up all the points or the QB for not scoring more than the D gave up?

This reply is as amusing as it is weak. But coming from you Im not surprised.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 08:09 AM
I can honestly say that I got caught up in the moment after the TD to Marshall in stating that I want to name my next son 'Kyle Orton Broncofan7'---I now formally (:rofl:) retract that statement


If any of you kool-aid drinkers would have told me that Dallas would only score 10 points in the ENTIRE GAME--I would have stated that we win this game easily--instead--it takes Orton almost an entire 3 quarters to muster enough points to pull out a victory---while his play in the 4th qtr is impressive--it's the OTHER 3 quarters in the game that he has failed to impress........God help us if he is asked to score 20-28 to lead us to victory........The jury is reconvening.......

rbackfactory80
10-05-2009, 08:45 AM
Wow...we have some dumba$$ fans on this board, we are 4-0...this is a major suprise to most...but lets break it down as to why we suck a$$ and how this season is a lost cause anyway...I think we should just quit...Broncos won, act like it!!

If this team was to win the bowl, I know that is a far stretch, some would still be taking shots at the club. Just how it is, being correct weighs more to these "fans" than accumulating wins.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 08:50 AM
If this team was to win the bowl, I know that is a far stretch, some would still be taking shots at the club. Just how it is, being correct weighs more to these "fans" than accumulating wins.

Nobody would be taking shots is we won another Lombardi--

FACT: We held Dallas to 10 points and it took us until under 2 minutes in the game to take the lead against a defense that was giving up 20pts per game--our defense AGAIN carried us--put a REAL QB on this team and we win this game by at least 14.........

MplsBronco
10-05-2009, 08:57 AM
I can honestly say that I got caught up in the moment after the TD to Marshall in stating that I want to name my next son 'Kyle Orton Broncofan7'---I now formally (:rofl:) retract that statement


If any of you kool-aid drinkers would have told me that Dallas would only score 10 points in the ENTIRE GAME--I would have stated that we win this game easily--instead--it takes Orton almost an entire 3 quarters to muster enough points to pull out a victory---while his play in the 4th qtr is impressive--it's the OTHER 3 quarters in the game that he has failed to impress........God help us if he is asked to score 20-28 to lead us to victory........The jury is reconvening.......

I am in no way trying to compare Orton to Elway but you must not have watched many Elway games. If you had, you would have on many occasions seen a QB struggle mightily for good portions of the game only to pull it out when it mattered most. You probably only became a fan during the SB years with TD, EMac and Rod to which it explains your spoiled nature since that team was a machine. Those don't come along very often.

Mr.Meanie
10-05-2009, 08:58 AM
I can honestly say that I got caught up in the moment after the TD to Marshall in stating that I want to name my next son 'Kyle Orton Broncofan7'---I now formally (:rofl:) retract that statement


If any of you kool-aid drinkers would have told me that Dallas would only score 10 points in the ENTIRE GAME--I would have stated that we win this game easily--instead--it takes Orton almost an entire 3 quarters to muster enough points to pull out a victory---while his play in the 4th qtr is impressive--it's the OTHER 3 quarters in the game that he has failed to impress........God help us if he is asked to score 20-28 to lead us to victory........The jury is reconvening.......

The fact is, we were down 10-0 and he led us back to a 17-10 win and put up good numbers against a good Dallas defense. The kid is a baller, despite what the blind haters want everyone to believe.

ChSuperStar
10-05-2009, 08:59 AM
You still dont get it. Youre giving too much credit to QBs for victories. Theyre not professional fighters slugging it out against other QBs in a boxing ring. Theyre not even starting pitchers.

But at the same time, if the QB was throwing up like mad man and causing INT's.. it wouldn't help how our defense plays. So try to give where credit is due once in a while.

Yes Defense Played Great, The cast in the offense are playing good.. Orton is playing equally well, keeping his turnovers to a minimum ( NULL 0 )

That is how team football is played, if you want gun slingers, please watch tonights game and have a great time. we are all happy with bronco football

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 09:00 AM
The fact is, we were down 10-0 and he led us back to a 17-10 win and put up good numbers against a good Dallas defense. The kid is a baller, despite what the blind haters want everyone to believe.

The fact is WE GAVE UP ONLY 10 points--we should have won this game EASILY.


You don't give a kid credit for getting a 70 on a test just because 69 is failing.........or maybe you do--that seems to be the mentality of many in this thread..........

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 09:04 AM
I am in no way trying to compare Orton to Elway but you must not have watched many Elway games. If you had, you would have on many occasions seen a QB struggle mightily for good portions of the game only to pull it out when it mattered most. You probably only became a fan during the SB years with TD, EMac and Rod to which it explains your spoiled nature since that team was a machine. Those don't come along very often.

You give John Elway a defense giving up ~7 per game and we are ripping people by at least 14 per game...........he had to come back because of Dan Reeves hand off on 1st and 2nd down type of offense and the little talent surrounding him.........try again.........

ChSuperStar
10-05-2009, 09:07 AM
Nobody would be taking shots is we won another Lombardi--

FACT: We held Dallas to 10 points and it took us until under 2 minutes in the game to take the lead against a defense that was giving up 20pts per game--our defense AGAIN carried us--put a REAL QB on this team and we win this game by at least 14.........

I have a suggestion for you.. you are in texas anyway (So you are half way there), Shanny former asst and some former broncos play for Houston or May be shanny might end up coaching dallas next year. You can choose between Cowgirls or Texmex and stay off this board.

No onei is forcing you to watch the broncos. If you are not going to be happy... have fun watching one of those two.. Hope not to see you in this board.

MplsBronco
10-05-2009, 09:07 AM
You give John Elway a defense giving up ~7 per game and we are ripping people by at least 14 per game...........he had to come back because of Dan Reeves hand off on 1st and 2nd down type of offense and the little talent surrounding him.........try again.........

What was the score of the only AFCCG Elway lost?

ChSuperStar
10-05-2009, 09:07 AM
The fact is WE GAVE UP ONLY 10 points--we should have won this game EASILY.


You don't give a kid credit for getting a 70 on a test just because 69 is failing.........or maybe you do--that seems to be the mentality of many in this thread..........

Your anology sucks.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 09:12 AM
What was the score of the only AFCCG Elway lost?

He got hurt chief........

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 09:12 AM
Your anology sucks.

Your ability to analyze things sucks.......

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 09:16 AM
I have a suggestion for you.. you are in texas anyway (So you are half way there), Shanny former asst and some former broncos play for Houston or May be shanny might end up coaching dallas next year. You can choose between Cowgirls or Texmex and stay off this board.

No onei is forcing you to watch the broncos. If you are not going to be happy... have fun watching one of those two.. Hope not to see you in this board.

Why would I take a suggestion from a half-wit like you?

ChSuperStar
10-05-2009, 09:18 AM
Your ability to analyze things sucks.......

Let me analyze better than you... Your shanny could not put a defense that would give you 10 pts or under and if you are a gay cutler fan.. he could not identify a good coach with whom he can grow.

So dont blame someone who came in and is playing well with in his limits and atleast making the team win. He can be called bad when, he is throwing 10 Ints and 2 TD to this pt with a 45% Rating and he made the broncos go down 1-3 with his stupid play when the 1 game was won by defense and running game.

If you thought dallas is that good and they can put up so many pts.. go become a tiny romo fan

rbackfactory80
10-05-2009, 09:19 AM
Your ability to analyze things sucks.......

Do you realize how many posts you made because you are upset we are not winning by enough? The thing Orton brings is balance, and if you have been paying attention there has been growth in his game. In addition he is playing well late in the game. I expect him to be playing very wellgoing later into the season.

ChSuperStar
10-05-2009, 09:20 AM
Why would I take a suggestion from a half-wit like you?

Say what you want, you are in the ignore list of half the people on this board... that explains who is good in analysis and who is ....... (dont want to say it out loud ). I am not a internet hero. LOL, and that too with a dumbo like you..

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 09:26 AM
Do you realize how many posts you made because you are upset we are not winning by enough? The thing Orton brings is balance, and if you have been paying attention their has been growth in his game. In addition he is playing well late in the game. I expect him to be playing very wellgoing later into the season.

We could be the NO Saints of the AFC----instead we almost lost two games even though our defense gives up on avg a TD per game--let that sink in for a minute.......

lex
10-05-2009, 09:28 AM
But at the same time, if the QB was throwing up like mad man and causing INT's.. it wouldn't help how our defense plays. So try to give where credit is due once in a while.

Yes Defense Played Great, The cast in the offense are playing good.. Orton is playing equally well, keeping his turnovers to a minimum ( NULL 0 )

That is how team football is played, if you want gun slingers, please watch tonights game and have a great time. we are all happy with bronco football

STFU. Try responding to something that was actually said next time.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 09:28 AM
Say what you want, you are in the ignore list of half the people on this board... that explains who is good in analysis and who is ....... (dont want to say it out loud ). I am not a internet hero. LOL, and that too with a dumbo like you..

Most people are average, kool aid drinking FANS--I pride myself in being objective and always wanting the best--in my personal life and for my favorite football team--The fact is--we are giving up ~7 pts/game--we SHOULD BE 4-0 but our QB has almost cost us two games........

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 09:29 AM
Let me analyze better than you... Your shanny could not put a defense that would give you 10 pts or under and if you are a gay cutler fan.. he could not identify a good coach with whom he can grow.

So dont blame someone who came in and is playing well with in his limits and atleast making the team win. He can be called bad when, he is throwing 10 Ints and 2 TD to this pt with a 45% Rating and he made the broncos go down 1-3 with his stupid play when the 1 game was won by defense and running game.

If you thought dallas is that good and they can put up so many pts.. go become a tiny romo fan

My Shanny? LOL get a clue.......

ChSuperStar
10-05-2009, 09:33 AM
We could be the NO Saints of the AFC----instead we almost lost two games even though our defense gives up on avg a TD per game--let that sink in for a minute.......

NO and NE are not created over night. For that it takes time. Drew brees and Sean have been together for a while, so you are comparing to a Hyndai to be a Honda over night (if i speak in common man standards..)

And the process of winning those games easily is what they call growing pains. You are looking backwards and saying we could have lost them, rest of us are looking forward and thinking those are positives from defense and instead of offense not firing we are 4-0, what will it be if the offense clicks totally. That is positive attitude and your is negative.

If you true fan (not homer), you look at positives and negatives.. we are all not saying kyle is a superstar.. but he is not bad either. He is no where close to a pro-bowler, but if he turns himself into a pro-bowler..this team will be so sweet.

So when you are writing something show your positive side and not negative so people can like you and not argue with you. If you argue for this as well, i will have consider you a tool. Be wise or amuse me.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 09:38 AM
NO and NE are not created over night. For that it takes time. Drew brees and Sean have been together for a while, so you are comparing to a Hyndai to be a Honda over night (if i speak in common man standards..)

And the process of winning those games easily is what they call growing pains. You are looking backwards and saying we could have lost them, rest of us are looking forward and thinking those are positives from defense and instead of offense not firing we are 4-0, what will it be if the offense clicks totally. That is positive attitude and your is negative.

If you true fan (not homer), you look at positives and negatives.. we are all not saying kyle is a superstar.. but he is not bad either. He is no where close to a pro-bowler, but if he turns himself into a pro-bowler..this team will be so sweet.

So when you are writing something show your positive side and not negative so people can like you and not argue with you. If you argue for this as well, i will have consider you a tool. Be wise or amuse me.

Dumba$$--I gave Orton credit for playing 1 quarter of a game--too bad you don't realize that their are 4 quarters--and of course I have given props to our defense........This whole thread is in regards to that ANCHOR we have @ QB........his ability to win the close games is impressive--my question to you is--why are they CLOSE TO BEGIN WITH?

ChSuperStar
10-05-2009, 09:38 AM
STFU. Try responding to something that was actually said next time.

You dont even have to go too far to watch the gun-slinger, go to that star - trek next to the lake. Hope not to see you as well in future at this board

ChSuperStar
10-05-2009, 09:42 AM
Dumba$$--I gave Orton credit for playing 1 quarter of a game--too bad you don't realize that their are 4 quarters--and of course I have given props to our defense........This whole thread is in regards to that ANCHOR we have @ QB........his ability to win the close games is impressive--my question to you is--why are they CLOSE TO BEGIN WITH?

Did you learn to walk first or did you learn to crawl first ? You still had two legs why did you not start walking right away ?

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 09:49 AM
Did you learn to walk first or did you learn to crawl first ? You still had two legs why did you not start walking right away ?

:rofl:


Making an apology for a veteran QB shows that your Kool-aid swilling fandom knows no boundaries--we are not exactly breaking in Tom Brandstater--but keep coming up with excuses.........

snowspot66
10-05-2009, 10:13 AM
:rofl:


Making an apology for a veteran QB shows that your Kool-aid swilling fandom knows no boundaries--we are not exactly breaking in Tom Brandstater--but keep coming up with excuses.........

What apologies are needed for a 250 yard game with 2 TD's and no picks?

We don't rack up 100 yards of penalties in the first half and we maybe do something on offense. Or are those his fault too?

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 10:17 AM
What apologies are needed for a 250 yard game with 2 TD's and no picks?

We don't rack up 100 yards of penalties in the first half and we maybe do something on offense. Or are those his fault too?

How about a 20% 3rd down conversion rate--but wait--you are going to blame those on penalties, right? How about the miss to Gaffney, the wild throw before his TD-his TD throw should have been picked-the almost INT that Sensabaugh dropped........without getting the ball at the 11 yard line--we score 10 points yesterday AT HOME against a team that was giving up 20 per game.........unacceptable for the level of talent that we have at EVERY POSITION OTHER THAN QB on offense.........

Inkana7
10-05-2009, 11:07 AM
Dear broncofan7,

http://westsidewill.com/newblog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Kyle-Orton.jpg

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 11:21 AM
Dear broncofan7,

http://westsidewill.com/newblog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Kyle-Orton.jpg

IS that Kyle Orton? I almost didn't recognize him without a cock in his mouth........

easymobee
10-05-2009, 11:47 AM
Broncofan7 deserves this piling upon.

He started this thread so he could be the leader of the pessimists when denver lost (in his mind, probably something like 27 to 7 in the end) and be the biggest and first "I told you so" guy around.

Broncos win and all of a sudden he/she spins it into a legitamite call for Orton to prove himself or impress broncofan7? What a crock, and even if that was the intention it isn't threadworthy (keep it in the gamethread) cause you aren't his agent, bowlen, mcdaniels, or the gm and there is no reason for him to prove anything to you.

I'm glad your shining moment thread came crashing down on you.

Archer81
10-05-2009, 12:01 PM
Most people are average, kool aid drinking FANS--I pride myself in being objective and always wanting the best--in my personal life and for my favorite football team--The fact is--we are giving up ~7 pts/game--we SHOULD BE 4-0 but our QB has almost cost us two games........


Then you clearly fail, and prove you play way too much Madden.

The Broncos won, you sack of elephant ****. What more do you want? We get it...you dont like Orton, you feel he is not good enough, blah blah blah...but 4-0 is hard to argue with.

:Broncos:

easymobee
10-05-2009, 12:02 PM
If nothing else he might wait until after halftime next week to root against the home team.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 12:04 PM
Broncofan7 deserves this piling upon.

He started this thread so he could be the leader of the pessimists when denver lost (in his mind, probably something like 27 to 7 in the end) and be the biggest and first "I told you so" guy around.

Broncos win and all of a sudden he/she spins it into a legitamite call for Orton to prove himself or impress broncofan7? What a crock, and even if that was the intention it isn't threadworthy (keep it in the gamethread) cause you aren't his agent, bowlen, mcdaniels, or the gm and there is no reason for him to prove anything to you.

I'm glad your shining moment thread came crashing down on you.

Hilarious! What?

Dallas was giving up 20 points per game--he led us to 17--SEVEN OF WHICH were gift wrapped as he rec'd the ball at the 11 yard line--and he proceeded to throw a wild pass--then threw his TD which was ALMOST picked off........OUR DEFENSE WON yesterdays game limiting a potent Dallas Offense to ONLY 10 points--if our defense limits the other team to 10--unless we are playing PIT--we had better win that game EASILY. With our offensive talent (outside of QB)and McD's offensive game plans --we should be around 23-25 points /game--for god sakes--the 49ers are averaging 5 points more per game than we are. Shawn Hill is twice the Qb that Orton is--he has Gore and Davis and an okay OL--his receivers are all young--ours WERE EXPLOSIVE WITH A REAL TALENT at QB......

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 12:06 PM
Then you clearly fail, and prove you play way too much Madden.

The Broncos won, you sack of elephant ****. What more do you want? We get it...you dont like Orton, you feel he is not good enough, blah blah blah...but 4-0 is hard to argue with.

:Broncos:

But it's not hard to those who are not looking with orange colored lenses--and I am doing just that--how many pts/game are we averaging this year? How about our passing offense? OPEN UP YOUR EYES...he led us to 17 points against a team that was giving up 20......

Tampa Bay scored 21 on them--ENOUGH SAID.

easymobee
10-05-2009, 12:07 PM
How about a 20% 3rd down conversion rate--but wait--you are going to blame those on penalties, right? How about the miss to Gaffney, the wild throw before his TD-his TD throw should have been picked-the almost INT that Sensabaugh dropped........without getting the ball at the 11 yard line--we score 10 points yesterday AT HOME against a team that was giving up 20 per game.........unacceptable for the level of talent that we have at EVERY POSITION OTHER THAN QB on offense.........

Last I looked "almost interceptions" weren't an official stat. Maybe the nfl should put someone on that, id love too see how many almost ints favre, manning, and elway threw.

Also I guess we should ask the nfl for an * for all points off turnovers.

Apperantly the most important qb rating factor should be " drives that go 80 yds plus with minimal rushing yds, no near ints, and no lucky catches"

Problem solved

We could rename it the "long pretty spiral rating"

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 12:10 PM
If nothing else he might wait until after halftime next week to root against the home team.

Unreal--unlike you average clowns who are happy with a 19pt/game offense I want our team to dominate--and Kyle orton is not capable of that........he is the handicap to our offense

Archer81
10-05-2009, 12:11 PM
But it's not hard to those who are not looking with orange colored lenses--and I am doing just that--how many pts/game are we averaging this year? How about our passing offense? OPEN UP YOUR EYES...he led us to 17 points against a team that was giving up 20......

Tampa Bay scored 21 on them--ENOUGH SAID.


Tampa lost to them. You see, wins and losses matter more than points and rankings. I know for a perfectionist such as yourself, this will come as a shock. You also seem unable to believe a team can actually improve week to week and outplay expectations. But keep crying, apparently its all you are good at.

:Broncos:

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 12:12 PM
Last I looked "almost interceptions" weren't an official stat. Maybe the nfl should put someone on that, id love too see how many almost ints favre, manning, and elway threw.

Also I guess we should ask the nfl for an * for all points off turnovers.

Apperantly the most important qb rating factor should be " drives that go 80 yds plus with minimal rushing yds, no near ints, and no lucky catches"

Problem solved

We could rename it the "long pretty spiral rating"

17 points to a team giving up 20/game and who gave up 21 to Tampa and 450 yards of offense----If you think that Tampa has more offensive talent than we do--go right ahead........

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 12:14 PM
I see the deficiency DESPITE the victories--that is what makes me objective........

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 12:15 PM
Tampa lost to them. You see, wins and losses matter more than points and rankings. I know for a perfectionist such as yourself, this will come as a shock. You also seem unable to believe a team can actually improve week to week and outplay expectations. But keep crying, apparently its all you are good at.

:Broncos:

Tampa's D is Garbage this year...What's your point? Apparently it's that if our offense scored 20-30 our victory wouldn't have mattered as much........but it WOULD HAVE mattered more to the keen observer......

Archer81
10-05-2009, 12:16 PM
Unreal--unlike you average clowns who are happy with a 19pt/game offense I want our team to dominate--and Kyle orton is not capable of that........he is the handicap to our offense


You make no sense. None. I dont care if the game score was 11-10 last night, as long as Denver won...thats all that matters...WINNING. I dont cre if the team is ranked first in every category in existance, if they lose, what ****ing difference does it make? They award championships on your offensive ranking?


:Broncos:

Rock Chalk
10-05-2009, 12:18 PM
Dear broncofan7,

http://westsidewill.com/newblog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Kyle-Orton.jpg

Hahaha, perfect.

Archer81
10-05-2009, 12:19 PM
Tampa's D is Garbage this year...What's your point? Apparently it's that if our offense scored 20-30 our victory wouldn't have mattered as much........but it WOULD HAVE mattered more to the keen observer......


A blind monkey humping a football is more observant than you are. I will try to put it in terms you can understand. Dallas put up more points than tampa did...therefore WINNING the contest...who cares how many yards they gave up or points they allowed? Football is not a game of rankings, lil baby fail.


:Broncos:

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 12:19 PM
You make no sense. None. I dont care if the game score was 11-10 last night, as long as Denver won...thats all that matters...WINNING. I dont cre if the team is ranked first in every category in existance, if they lose, what ****ing difference does it make? They award championships on your offensive ranking?


:Broncos:

You're an incompetent queef, incapable of continuing a conversation as elementary as the one we are attempting to have here--the significance of scoring only 19 points per game on average and our probable playoff success-----we won't have any.

jhat01
10-05-2009, 12:22 PM
You make no sense. None. I dont care if the game score was 11-10 last night, as long as Denver won...thats all that matters...WINNING. I dont cre if the team is ranked first in every category in existance, if they lose, what ****ing difference does it make? They award championships on your offensive ranking?


:Broncos:

the dude is blinded by his own ego. Just like the other nitwit that said patrick ramsey is better than orton. This guy would be happy to have the number one offense and be 1-3. The only hope he has is to cling to the orton hate and hope at some point, that orton has a bad game. He can't turn back now...

Inkana7
10-05-2009, 12:22 PM
What a tool.

Paladin
10-05-2009, 12:24 PM
Please don't quote that arsehole. I have him on ignore. I hope all will just ignore him.....

Rant away, arsehole.......

Archer81
10-05-2009, 12:25 PM
You're an incompetent queef, incapable of continuing a conversation as elementary as the one we are attempting to have here--the significance of scoring only 19 points per game on average and our probable playoff success-----we won't have any.


You are so right. Because passing offense matters so much when you are playing playoff football in New England and Pittsburg in January...


:Broncos:

rastaman
10-05-2009, 12:37 PM
From this point forward Orton is his W/L record from me, meaning he is 100% win right now. No talk of surrounding cast, the surrounding cast IS Orton, he leads them, they fight with and for him. He may not have won this game with his arm, but he did everything necessary to win it with every other element of the team. Orton is the QB we need, he will probably not give us 40 yard through the air passes in stride to receivers, and he will make sure he doesn't need to. Orton crow being eaten.

I'd say that its our Defensive play that has over shadowed the limited play of Orton. The only reason Orton can manage the games so far is b/c of how well the Defense is playing.

broncswin
10-05-2009, 12:39 PM
:rofl:


Making an apology for a veteran QB shows that your Kool-aid swilling fandom knows no boundaries--we are not exactly breaking in Tom Brandstater--but keep coming up with excuses.........

How can we call Orton a veteran, yet Cutler still has time to grow because he isn't a veteran yet:afro:

easymobee
10-05-2009, 12:41 PM
17 points to a team giving up 20/game and who gave up 21 to Tampa and 450 yards of offense----If you think that Tampa has more offensive talent than we do--go right ahead........

you leave out the important details.

Tampa was getting blown out and the game was never in question.

Calvin Johnson was great in FF and statswise last year, because his team was always getting blown out and the garbage yards were plentiful at the end.

can you do a quarter by quarter breakdown of yardage in the DAL TB game to support your point?

it was the 1st game of the year too. Ill bet our cinci win was less impressive in your eyes because Cinci was rusty and attributed it to week 1 unpredictability.

broncswin
10-05-2009, 12:42 PM
Hilarious! What?

Dallas was giving up 20 points per game--he led us to 17--SEVEN OF WHICH were gift wrapped as he rec'd the ball at the 11 yard line--and he proceeded to throw a wild pass--then threw his TD which was ALMOST picked off........OUR DEFENSE WON yesterdays game limiting a potent Dallas Offense to ONLY 10 points--if our defense limits the other team to 10--unless we are playing PIT--we had better win that game EASILY. With our offensive talent (outside of QB)and McD's offensive game plans --we should be around 23-25 points /game--for god sakes--the 49ers are averaging 5 points more per game than we are. Shawn Hill is twice the Qb that Orton is--he has Gore and Davis and an okay OL--his receivers are all young--ours WERE EXPLOSIVE WITH A REAL TALENT at QB......



It is a good thing you put this in all caps, but I figured I would bold it for you...ALMOST meaning it didn't happen right?? If you think it is bad to ALMOST throw a pick, then I guess Cutler is f-ing terrible right!!:thumbsup:

TailgateNut
10-05-2009, 12:45 PM
last i looked "almost interceptions" weren't an official stat. Maybe the nfl should put someone on that, id love too see how many almost ints favre, manning, and elway threw.

Also i guess we should ask the nfl for an * for all points off turnovers.

Apperantly the most important qb rating factor should be " drives that go 80 yds plus with minimal rushing yds, no near ints, and no lucky catches"

problem solved

we could rename it the "long pretty spiral rating"


lol

easymobee
10-05-2009, 12:45 PM
ive never put anyone on ignore .... until now.

just know that broncofan7 would have rather seen denver get blown out and have a great "i told you so" thread, than to have had denver win.

also, if Orton would have gone for 300 ( like 250 and 2 tds is "bad" ) and we would have found another TD and won 24-10. It would be because the Dallas D was inept and not due to Orton being good.
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rastaman
10-05-2009, 12:46 PM
How can we call Orton a veteran, yet Cutler still has time to grow because he isn't a veteran yet:afro:

Cutler is growing just fine. Ask the Bears fans and players which QB would they rather have.....Orton or Cutler! Enough said.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 12:46 PM
How can we call Orton a veteran, yet Cutler still has time to grow because he isn't a veteran yet:afro:

?

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 12:47 PM
ive never put anyone on ignore .... until now.

just know that broncofan7 would have rather seen denver get blown out and have a great "i told you so" thread, than to have had denver win.

also, if Orton would have gone for 300 ( like 250 and 2 tds is "bad" ) and we would have found another TD and won 24-10. It would be because the Dallas D was inept and not due to Orton being good.
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NO--I'd Rather Orton turn us into a 25+ pt/game offense which is what we would have become under Jay.......pair that with our D and We'd have a JUGGERNAUT right now.........

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 12:48 PM
It is a good thing you put this in all caps, but I figured I would bold it for you...ALMOST meaning it didn't happen right?? If you think it is bad to ALMOST throw a pick, then I guess Cutler is f-ing terrible right!!:thumbsup:

Cutler is DANGEROUS(for BOTH teams)--Orton is impotent

tsiguy96
10-05-2009, 12:49 PM
NO--I'd Rather Orton turn us into a 25+ pt/game offense which is what we would have become under Jay.......pair that with our D and We'd have a JUGGERNAUT right now.........

under jay we were not 25+ ppg. and whos to say jay would do great in this system which is based on intelligence and smart throws, not risks?

jhat01
10-05-2009, 12:51 PM
NO--I'd Rather Orton turn us into a 25+ pt/game offense which is what we would have become under Jay.......pair that with our D and We'd have a JUGGERNAUT right now.........

and the bast we would be is 4-0 STILL. Save it until we lose a few games

BroncoInSkinland
10-05-2009, 12:53 PM
I'd say that its our Defensive play that has over shadowed the limited play of Orton. The only reason Orton can manage the games so far is b/c of how well the Defense is playing.

I am not downplaying the play of the Defense, or any other player on the field, what I am saying is that it is Orton that is leading us to this point. Can he make all the throws that Cutler can? No. But the guys on the team are willing to fight for and with him. This is a team effort, as Dawkins said for the defense, when one guy makes a play, we all make that play. The same works on offense, and believe it or not, Orton is a big part of that. Would it be nice to put up more points? Yes. At the same point in time, we have put up ENOUGH points, in every single game, to win. I will take 17-10 and similar over big wins and big losses if the team effort I see on the field stays the same. Orton may not be fancy, but he is effective, and that is good enough for me, sorry it isn't for you, I hope the next one fits both our views of what a QB should look like. In the meantime, this one fits mine, a winner.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 12:53 PM
you leave out the important details.

Tampa was getting blown out and the game was never in question.

Calvin Johnson was great in FF and statswise last year, because his team was always getting blown out and the garbage yards were plentiful at the end.

can you do a quarter by quarter breakdown of yardage in the DAL TB game to support your point?

it was the 1st game of the year too. Ill bet our cinci win was less impressive in your eyes because Cinci was rusty and attributed it to week 1 unpredictability.

Game was never more than 13 points apart......TB played even with DAL in the 2nd and 4th qtrs

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 12:55 PM
under jay we were not 25+ ppg. and whos to say jay would do great in this system which is based on intelligence and smart throws, not risks?

We were @23/gm--up from 20/gm the year BEFORE.

DenverBrit
10-05-2009, 12:59 PM
10-0 Dallas--- now is your chance Orton...

to win over the skeptics like ME---GAME ON.

So why are you still whining about Orton??

Whining and welching?

You sound like Lex's and Boob's love child every time you post!

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 01:06 PM
10-0 Dallas--- now is your chance Orton...



So why are you still whining about Orton??

Whining and welching?

You sound like Lex's and Boob's love child every time you post!

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2583651&postcount=102

ak1971
10-05-2009, 01:10 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2583651&postcount=102

we do suck..we should be 0-4. I think Im going to kill myself

DenverBrit
10-05-2009, 01:12 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2583651&postcount=102

I saw your frantic back-peddling, you're still whining despite your opening statment in this thread.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 01:17 PM
I saw your frantic back-peddling, you're still whining despite your opening statment in this thread.

No back pedaling--it was only after the emotion of a terrific win--I came to the appropriate conclusion as to why this game was not a two score win for us--Kyle Orton. The same reason why Cincy came down to a hailmary.....

Edit: Dallas gives up 20/game--we should have scored AT LEAST that amount......

bfoflcommish
10-05-2009, 01:25 PM
We were @23/gm--up from 20/gm the year BEFORE.

and how many 30+ point games. contributed to that and how many of those 30+ were also loses???

i'd much rather under 20 and win then over 20 and lose...but maybe thats just me.

bfoflcommish
10-05-2009, 01:26 PM
No back pedaling--it was only after the emotion of a terrific win--I came to the appropriate conclusion as to why this game was not a two score win for us--Kyle Orton. The same reason why Cincy came down to a hailmary.....

Edit: Dallas gives up 20/game--we should have scored AT LEAST that amount......

you do know averages are just that, averages, not whats supposed to happen??????

rastaman
10-05-2009, 01:48 PM
NO--I'd Rather Orton turn us into a 25+ pt/game offense which is what we would have become under Jay.......pair that with our D and We'd have a JUGGERNAUT right now.........

Rep!

I'd say a good medifore for Kyle right now would to view Orton as a New Orleans Levee before Katrina. As a result, teams will find away to expose Orton's weak levee system. Our defense just keeps pluggning the holes in Kyle's Levee.

jhat01
10-05-2009, 01:54 PM
No back pedaling--it was only after the emotion of a terrific win--I came to the appropriate conclusion as to why this game was not a two score win for us--Kyle Orton. The same reason why Cincy came down to a hailmary.....

Edit: Dallas gives up 20/game--we should have scored AT LEAST that amount......

What are you trying to get at with all these posts? Name one person on this board that says Orton is the long term answer at qb. Name one person on this board who thinks Orton is more gifted physically than Cutler. We get it, you don't like the Cutler trade. The season is 1/4 complete and we are in first place in our division, and undefeated. We could be doing NO BETTER if Cutler was here. Name one person on this board who thinks the offense doesn't need to improve. Do I need to go on? You're wasting your time...

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 01:55 PM
and how many 30+ point games. contributed to that and how many of those 30+ were also loses???

i'd much rather under 20 and win then over 20 and lose...but maybe thats just me.

The fact that you don't even consider that reality that we could HAVE HAD BOTH A 23+ scoring offense and the #1 scoring defense in football is mind boggling--but when you are willing to accept being good rather than great...well............I bet you were a Browns fan in the 1980's........

tsiguy96
10-05-2009, 01:56 PM
broncofan, go cheer for another team. we apologize THIS team is not being run how you want it to, but mcdaniels is far, far better than you at anything football related, and his team is 4-0. i think well take his word for it, not yours.

Eldorado
10-05-2009, 01:56 PM
He wanted out. Get over it.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 01:57 PM
you do know averages are just that, averages, not whats supposed to happen??????

We have above average talent on offense at most every position with the GREAT EXCEPTION of QB..........I fully expected us to score more than TB did....

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 02:00 PM
broncofan, go cheer for another team. we apologize THIS team is not being run how you want it to, but mcdaniels is far, far better than you at anything football related, and his team is 4-0. i think well take his word for it, not yours.

You are a GREAT cheerleader--and like most cheerleaders--you bring nothing of substance.........

bfoflcommish
10-05-2009, 02:00 PM
The fact that you don't even consider that reality that we could HAVE HAD BOTH A 23+ scoring offense and the #1 scoring defense in football is mind boggling--but when you are willing to accept being good rather than great...well............I bet you were a Browns fan in the 1980's........


so please tell me how we would have had that? did your magic crystal ball tell you this? and if so was it the same magic ball that told you we wouldn't win more then 4 or 5 games?

just because last year it happened doesnt mean this year it would have! you seem to take averages as that is what should happen as opposed to what it really means which is over the course of an x number of samplings this is what was proved. what if dallas d holds next few opponets to say 10 or 13 and they drop thier scored against to 16 or so, we are now above average and your argument is now defunct.

bfoflcommish
10-05-2009, 02:02 PM
We have above average talent on offense at most every position with the GREAT EXCEPTION of QB..........I fully expected us to score more than TB did....

biggest mistakes sports fans make is right there!!!!!!!


so cowboys beat TB but we beat dallas therefore we are better than tb....but in your reasoning forget outcome points matter so tb scored more then we did so therefore tb is better then us on offense....RIGHT?

If thats the case we should smoke pittsburgh correct????

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 02:04 PM
so please tell me how we would have had that? did your magic crystal ball tell you this? and if so was it the same magic ball that told you we wouldn't win more then 4 or 5 games?

just because last year it happened doesnt mean this year it would have! you seem to take averages as that is what should happen as opposed to what it really means which is over the course of an x number of samplings this is what was proved. what if dallas d holds next few opponets to say 10 or 13 and they drop thier scored against to 16 or so, we are now above average and your argument is now defunct.

My magic crystal ball tells me that we improved from 20/gm in 2007 to 23/gm in 2008--an increase to 25/game was certainly NOT out of the question with Cutler @ QB.........but go ahead and explain to me why we are averaging 4 points less with largely the same receiving corp + Gaffney who is a solid #4, same OL and better RB's--here's a hint--he has a penchant for getting drunk in public, there are pictures of him nozzling another man's crotch and he wears a NECKBEARD.

bfoflcommish
10-05-2009, 02:05 PM
My magic crystal ball tells me that we improved from 20/gm in 2007 to 23/gm in 2008--an increase to 25/game was certainly NOT out of the question with Cutler @ QB.........but go ahead and explain to me why we are averaging 4 points less with largely the same receiving corp + Gaffney who is a solid #4, same OL and better RB's--here's a hint--he has a penchant for getting drunk in public, there are pictures of him nozzling another man's crotch and he wears a NECKBEARD.

explain to me how we went from 20 to 23 PT games but lost less then 2 years???? #'s dont mean ****!!!!! end result does W-L!

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 02:05 PM
biggest mistakes sports fans make is right there!!!!!!!


so cowboys beat TB but we beat dallas therefore we are better than tb....but in your reasoning forget outcome points matter so tb scored more then we did so therefore tb is better then us on offense....RIGHT?

If thats the case we should smoke pittsburgh correct????

NO--our OFFFENSE is better than Tampa's--or so I thought.

OABB
10-05-2009, 02:06 PM
If you had any reading comprehension abilities you could understand what this means


I like how you just chose one part of your OP about being won over and ignore the countless times you harped on him after every incomplete pass for the first few ****ing pages here.


don't act like you didn't either broncofan07.

also, why do you have your IQ listed after your name? kind of lame....

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 02:06 PM
explain to me how we went from 20 to 23 PT games but lost less then 2 years???? #'s dont mean ****!!!!! end result does W-L!

?

bfoflcommish
10-05-2009, 02:07 PM
NO--our OFFFENSE is better than Tampa's--or so I thought.

apples to oranges!

so again since we beat cincy, and cincy beat pitt therefore we WILL beat pitt is what you are saying right? I mean since you have it all figured out I cant believe you even have time for the internet with all the millions you must make on sports wagering.

Archer81
10-05-2009, 02:08 PM
Me thinks arguing further with the chode is pointless...


:Broncos:

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 02:09 PM
I like how you just chose one part of your OP about being won over and ignore the countless times you harped on him after every incomplete pass for the first few ****ing pages here.


don't act like you didn't either broncofan07.

also, why do you have your IQ listed after your name? kind of lame....

Orton played like dog **** for 3 quarters--go look at the game thread--I wasn't alone in condemning him.........

That's not my IQ--that's the # of times I had to fend off advances from your GirlFriend before I took out the restraining order.........

bfoflcommish
10-05-2009, 02:09 PM
?

?? what? we went from 20 a game to 23 a game yet our wins were less...whats hard to figure out there mister got it all figured out. using your reasoning of deductions cutler was qb both years therfore his wins go down as his o stats go up....right?

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 02:10 PM
?? what? we went from 20 a game to 23 a game yet our wins were less...whats hard to figure out there mister got it all figured out. using your reasoning of deductions cutler was qb both years therfore his wins go down as his o stats go up....right?

BOB SLOWICK and JIM BATES.

you have no 'reasoning and deduction' skills........

go ahead and defend our 19 pts/gm offense.........

bfoflcommish
10-05-2009, 02:11 PM
BOB SLOWICK and JIM BATES.

you have no 'reasoning and deduction' skills........

go ahead and defend our 19 pts/gm offense.........


4-0, orton has more yards the cutler on less complentions and no ints compared to 5.

why does w-l's seem to involve d in yoor argument all of a sudden when before it didnt???

BroncoInSkinland
10-05-2009, 02:11 PM
Me thinks arguing further with the chode is pointless...


:Broncos:

Thats why I stopped. It's like beating your head against the wall. It doesn't do you any good, and if you do it long enough eventually you walk away dumber. It's probably how he got to where he is at, come to think of it.

bfoflcommish
10-05-2009, 02:12 PM
Thats why I stopped. It's like beating your head against the wall. It doesn't do you any good, and if you do it long enough eventually you walk away dumber. It's probably how he got to where he is at, come to think of it.

see my sig.

maybe i should heed my own warnings

Archer81
10-05-2009, 02:13 PM
Orton played like dog **** for 3 quarters--go look at the game thread--I wasn't alone in condemning him.........

That's not my IQ--that's the # of times I had to fend off advances from your GirlFriend before I took out the restraining order.........


You dont strike me as the type who likes women. Huh. Crazy world.


:Broncos:

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 02:14 PM
apples to oranges!

so again since we beat cincy, and cincy beat pitt therefore we WILL beat pitt is what you are saying right? I mean since you have it all figured out I cant believe you even have time for the internet with all the millions you must make on sports wagering.

Dallas gives up 20/game--that should be OUR benchmark for an unsuccessful day on offense

I won $12K on a $5 parlay last December........

cutthemdown
10-05-2009, 02:14 PM
My magic crystal ball tells me that we improved from 20/gm in 2007 to 23/gm in 2008--an increase to 25/game was certainly NOT out of the question with Cutler @ QB.........but go ahead and explain to me why we are averaging 4 points less with largely the same receiving corp + Gaffney who is a solid #4, same OL and better RB's--here's a hint--he has a penchant for getting drunk in public, there are pictures of him nozzling another man's crotch and he wears a NECKBEARD.

for one Mcdaniels calls a way more conservative game then bates was last yr.

cutthemdown
10-05-2009, 02:15 PM
For sure though Cutler a more prolific passer/scorer then Orton ever will be.

But Cutler didn't want to lead this team. He stayed away all offseason whining and trying to get out.

Without losing Cutler I think this team doesn't gell like it did.

It allowed other players to step up and be leaders.

bfoflcommish
10-05-2009, 02:15 PM
Dallas gives up 20/game--that should be OUR benchmark for an unsuccessful day on offense
I won $12K on a $5 parlay last December........

so, dallas holds next few to under 13 and drops AVERAGE to under 17 we did SUCCESSFUL for the day then right?

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 02:15 PM
You dont strike me as the type who likes women. Huh. Crazy world.


:Broncos:

Your personal fantasies are unamusing.........

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 02:17 PM
for one Mcdaniels calls a way more conservative game then bates was last yr.

Why do you think that is?

Lev Vyvanse
10-05-2009, 02:18 PM
?? what? we went from 20 a game to 23 a game yet our wins were less...whats hard to figure out there mister got it all figured out. using your reasoning of deductions cutler was qb both years therfore his wins go down as his o stats go up....right?

I hate to agree with broncofan7 but
2008 23 pts/game 8 wins
2007 20 pts/game 7 wins
I don't get your point.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 02:21 PM
I hate to agree with broncofan7 but
2008 23 pts/game 8 wins
2007 20 pts/game 7 wins
I don't get your point.

Originally Posted by bfoflcommish View Post
?? what? we went from 20 a game to 23 a game yet our wins were less...whats hard to figure out there mister got it all figured out. using your reasoning of deductions cutler was qb both years therfore his wins go down as his o stats go up....right?

Even a guy with an ADHD medication for his username realizes you don't have a point--perhaps you should ask for a referral from Lev Vyvanse........:rofl:

Archer81
10-05-2009, 02:27 PM
Why do you think that is?


Probably because McDaniels and Bates run completely different offenses. Or it could be that the Broncos best facet on offense is the running game. You place alot of blame on Orton, but none on Marshall and Royal. Neither one is getting open consistently, which is typical in the first year in a new offense.

You know what else is funny? In 1977, our first SB year, Denver averaged 19.6 pts a game. The current Bronco squad averages 19.8.

In 1977, the defense allowed 10.6/pts a game. In 2009, 6.6/gm.

So for you to bitch when denver is winning on average with a 13 pt margin of victory, I kind of want to laugh at you.

:Broncos:

jhat01
10-05-2009, 02:28 PM
Orton played like dog **** for 3 quarters--go look at the game thread--I wasn't alone in condemning him.........

That's not my IQ--that's the # of times I had to fend off advances from your GirlFriend before I took out the restraining order.........

nice...you're a real winner. Explain to us how our record would be better if Cutler was the qb. Again, we get it..you don't like the Cutler move. It's never going to change dude. Get used to game management by the offense. It's hard to come back after you've put yourself so far out there, i understand that. Orton has been a fine 4th qtr qb so far, that is a good thing...

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 02:29 PM
Probably because McDaniels and Bates run completely different offenses. Or it could be that the Broncos best facet on offense is the running game. You place alot of blame on Orton, but none on Marshall and Royal. Neither one is getting open consistently, which is typical in the first year in a new offense.

You know what else is funny? In 1977, our first SB year, Denver averaged 19.6 pts a game. The current Bronco squad averages 19.8.

In 1977, the defense allowed 10.6/pts a game. In 2009, 6.6/gm.

So for you to b**** when denver is winning on average with a 13 pt margin of victory, I kind of want to laugh at you.

:Broncos:

:rofl:--Bate's scheme was predicated on the 2007 patriots which was developed by whom???????????? good grief--go back to trolling Craig's list for dates.........

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 02:33 PM
nice...you're a real winner. Explain to us how our record would be better if Cutler was the qb. Again, we get it..you don't like the Cutler move. It's never going to change dude. Get used to game management by the offense. It's hard to come back after you've put yourself so far out there, i understand that. Orton has been a fine 4th qtr qb so far, that is a good thing...

Too bad for us THAT THERE ARE 3 OTHER QTRS in a GAME!

Muddled
10-05-2009, 02:36 PM
For one so enamored with stats, it's a bit puzzling you've yet to come up with one statistic backing up your claim that Orton is the sole reason for the offensive dropoff and will never be able to improve.

I mean, isn't it a posibility that the installment of a whole new system, the injury and whining and faillure to learn the playbook of the top playmaker and the injury to Orton's throwing hand, might all be bigger reasons?

And even if you're laying out blame, wouldn't Royal or Harris who both have seemed to regress at least for now, deserve some blame as well?

And have you noticed that the unit has indeed improoved every game and if so, why do you refuse the possibility of this continuing as everyone learns the offense?

And have you considered how many points were left on the field against both Cleveland and Oakland because the game was decided and there was no reason to risk going for more points? ANd vice versa, how many of last years point were the result of all out attacking in games where we had fallen behind by several scores?

And have you considered that the defense's fantastic form might have a bit to do with the offense being mistake free as well, not having to go outthere winded and unprepared after yet another Cutler brain fart?

And finally, have you considered that Cutler was the one who wanted out of here, Cutler is the one who is a acting like a spoiled brat on the field and who is yet to show any signs of leadership skills, is completely unable to unite his teammates, and have you ever seen Cutler celebrate with his teammates after a big win like Orton did last night?

That said, yes, Cutler's skill set is far superior to Ortons and I''m sure he's loads better on Madden so I guess you have a valid point

Archer81
10-05-2009, 02:37 PM
:rofl:--Bate's scheme was predicated on the 2007 patriots which was developed by whom???????????? good grief--go back to trolling Craig's list for dates.........

Yup. Its proven. You are stupid.


:Broncos:

broncswin
10-05-2009, 02:38 PM
Thats why I stopped. It's like beating your head against the wall. It doesn't do you any good, and if you do it long enough eventually you walk away dumber. It's probably how he got to where he is at, come to think of it.

Broncofan7 officially earned the ignore list with this dumb@$$ thread---You can only take so much of retarded bullshiat before you realize you can't fix stupid(see Broncofan7)!!:welcome:

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-05-2009, 02:38 PM
Might as well not bother with BF7. he's about as useful as a screen door on a submarine.

jhat01
10-05-2009, 02:40 PM
Too bad for us THAT THERE ARE 3 OTHER QTRS in a GAME!

you're right dude...you win, orton sucks. don't let me try to talk some sense into a jackhole POG like yourself. keep holding on, he's bound to have a bad game at least once this year. And i was wrong, you're not wasting your time, I'm wasting mine.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 02:45 PM
Yup. Its proven. You are stupid.


:Broncos:

:rofl:--So that's how you respond when you get OWNED....

broncswin
10-05-2009, 02:46 PM
Holy shiat I went back to sort through this thread and now that BF7 is on ignore, there is nothing to read...this is wonderful!!

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 02:46 PM
Might as well not bother with BF7. he's about as useful as a screen door on a submarine.

You came in to offer your '2 cents' only to find out that your pockets were empty........:rofl:

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 02:48 PM
you're right dude...you win, orton sucks. don't let me try to talk some sense into a jackhole POG like yourself. keep holding on, he's bound to have a bad game at least once this year. And i was wrong, you're not wasting your time, I'm wasting mine.

Cincy was a bad game and Dallas was a bad game for 3 qtrs........the day is coming when our defense doesn't hold a team to 7 or 10 points........and when it does--this thread will be bumped....repeatedly.

fontaine
10-05-2009, 02:52 PM
Orton played like dog **** for 3 quarters--go look at the game thread--I wasn't alone in condemning him.........
......

Yes, Orton played poorly at times and made some ugly throws, some of which should have been intercepted. But be honest, apart from Buckhalter the entire offense was off. Penalties, getting stuffed twice from 3rd and inches, fumbling the ball on the first play of the 2nd half, there was a lot of poor execution offensively from everyone.

But the one thing you can't deny is that Orton is improving. When he gets time in the pocket and WRs are open he gets the job done. Today he made some plays that he should get a lot of credit for like at least three passes when the pocket was collapsing before he even completed his five step drop.

I'm more concerned about our OL. They're still struggling to open consistent rushing lanes and haven't been nearly as good setting up a 3 second pocket for Orton.

Archer81
10-05-2009, 02:55 PM
Holy shiat I went back to sort through this thread and now that BF7 is on ignore, there is nothing to read...this is wonderful!!


+1


:Broncos:

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 02:56 PM
Yes, Orton played poorly at times and made some ugly throws, some of which should have been intercepted. But be honest, apart from Buckhalter the entire offense was off. Penalties, getting stuffed twice from 3rd and inches, fumbling the ball on the first play of the 2nd half, there was a lot of poor execution offensively from everyone.

But the one thing you can't deny is that Orton is improving. When he gets time in the pocket and WRs are open he gets the job done. Today he made some plays that he should get a lot of credit for like at least three passes when the pocket was collapsing before he even completed his five step drop.

I'm more concerned about our OL. They're still struggling to open consistent rushing lanes and haven't been nearly as good setting up a 3 second pocket for Orton.


I too share your concern about the OL penalties--but I just do not see the improvement--he was dreadful for almost 3 qtrs yesterday.........if not for the defense setting him up at the 11 yard line--we would have been held to 10 points AT HOME.........that is not acceptable

And because teams know that Orton is a statue--teams are able to blitz us more than they were when we had Jay back there.......

errand
10-05-2009, 02:59 PM
I am in no way trying to compare Orton to Elway but you must not have watched many Elway games. If you had, you would have on many occasions seen a QB struggle mightily for good portions of the game only to pull it out when it mattered most. You probably only became a fan during the SB years with TD, EMac and Rod to which it explains your spoiled nature since that team was a machine. Those don't come along very often.

Case in point, Broncos vs Packers on snowy MNF game...Packers fumble opening KO, Broncos scoop it up, return it for TD....Packers on their next possession fumble ball again, and again Broncos pick it up, and return it for TD and a 14-0 lead in the first 2 minutes of game.

Packers QB Lynn Dickey shreds our D for over 300 yards passing, while Elway struggles...Broncos win the game 17-14.

And, BTW Lex, this game counted as one of John's 148 career wins as a starting QB......

jhat01
10-05-2009, 03:00 PM
Cincy was a bad game and Dallas was a bad game for 3 qtrs........the day is coming when our defense doesn't hold a team to 7 or 10 points........and when it does--this thread will be bumped....repeatedly.

you gonna do the same if Orton throws for 350 and 3 tds, or would that just be a fluke? you're a joke. The guy has a passer rating of 97 this year, and all he gets is bashed. AGAIN FIND SOMEONE THAT HAS SAID HE'S THE LONG TERM ANSWER AT QB FOR THIS TEAM. He's done exactly what he's supposed to do, protect the ball. He's ranked 7th in the league for ****'s sake. You must really enjoy being the center of all this attention though.

errand
10-05-2009, 03:06 PM
The fact is WE GAVE UP ONLY 10 points--we should have won this game EASILY.




...and you don't think that a QB, playing a patient, field position game and not turning the ball over doesn't help the D only give up 10 points?

Want to look at how this kind of football works...look at the '77 Broncos, or the '00 Ravens, or the '90 Giants. They all had a low risk, low turnover offense and a great defense.

fontaine
10-05-2009, 03:08 PM
I too share your concern about the OL penalties--but I just do not see the improvement--he was dreadful for almost 3 qtrs yesterday.........if not for the defense setting him up at the 11 yard line--we would have been held to 10 points AT HOME.........that is not acceptable

And because teams know that Orton is a statue--teams are able to blitz us more than they were when we had Jay back there.......

In Week 1 when I stoned Orton he was taking sacks even when he had a ton of time in the pocket. His accuracy was awful and his passes had zero zip and he was locked onto his primary read.

Since then, he's improved leaps and bounds. He's actually moving better in the pocket, avoiding the rush for the most part. His passes have a lot more zip and he's making the intermediate throws that win you the respect of the defense.

I'm not a huge fan of Orton because I think his skill sets are limited, but I know when I see a QB settling into an offense and playing mistake free football. ZERO interceptions so far. He'll continue to improve and play better.

That's all I can ask and I can give him credit for doing so even when I'm not a huge fan of his.

So at the same time I can be critical of the OL because they're supposed to be better than this. Kuper/Harris/Clady/Weigmann are much better than what they've shown so far and it would be fair to say that they are underachieving especially when the make stupid mistakes like the penalties committed in bunches and not clearly rushing lanes or doing a better job of creating a pocket around Orton.

But to put it into perspective, Dallas is a very very good all around team. We just played one of the best teams in the league and won.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 03:09 PM
...and you don't think that a QB, playing a patient, field position game and not turning the ball over doesn't help the D only give up 10 points?

Want to look at how this kind of football works...look at the '77 Broncos, or the '00 Ravens, or the '90 Giants. They all had a low risk, low turnover offense and a great defense.

And you can bump this thread if we go to the Super Bowl with that formula THIS SEASON--but being that we improved our Wr's, our RB's and returned a great offensive line--yet we have regressed in terms of yardage and points per game--that points to one thing---our NEW QB.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 03:10 PM
you gonna do the same if Orton throws for 350 and 3 tds, or would that just be a fluke? you're a joke. The guy has a passer rating of 97 this year, and all he gets is bashed. AGAIN FIND SOMEONE THAT HAS SAID HE'S THE LONG TERM ANSWER AT QB FOR THIS TEAM. He's done exactly what he's supposed to do, protect the ball. He's ranked 7th in the league for ****'s sake. You must really enjoy being the center of all this attention though.

Not at all- I feel like I am on the freeway on a Saturday night at 2am surrounded by a bunch of drunk drivers.....

jhat01
10-05-2009, 03:12 PM
Not at all- I feel like I am on the freeway on a Saturday night at 2am surrounded by a bunch of drunk drivers.....

How about you address what I wrote, and stop trying to be cute. What are you trying to say? Bench Orton? I don't ****ing get it.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-05-2009, 03:14 PM
You came in to offer your '2 cents' only to find out that your pockets were empty........:rofl:

And you came to give us a piece of your mind and found nothing but dust and cobwebs.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 03:19 PM
And you came to give us a piece of your mind and found nothing but dust and cobwebs.

That rebuttal is as empty as the SD Charger's SB trophy case........

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 03:21 PM
How about you address what I wrote, and stop trying to be cute. What are you trying to say? Bench Orton? I don't ****ing get it.

IF the offense doesn't get more consistent--absolutely. our third down conversion % is middle of the pack..............

jhat01
10-05-2009, 03:23 PM
IF the offense doesn't get more consistent--absolutely. our third down conversion % is middle of the pack..............

if it doesn't get more consistent by when....what if we're still undefeated? You can't call for Orton's benching when he's the 7th ranked passer with no picks, on an undefeated team. It makes you look foolish.

errand
10-05-2009, 03:25 PM
You give John Elway a defense giving up ~7 per game and we are ripping people by at least 14 per game...........he had to come back because of Dan Reeves hand off on 1st and 2nd down type of offense and the little talent surrounding him.........try again.........


I think 98% of all QB's whose D holds an opponent to 7 points per game will win. Just as alot of QB's who don't turn the ball over will win alot of games.


You bring up Elway. Well let the record show he was an exceptional QB, but even he too struggled at times to move the ball against an opposing D....

I recall an AFC title game where we held the high octane Bills no-huddle O to a mere 3 points...and LOST. We lost the game because the great John Elway threw a horrible middle screen that was picked off by Carlton Bailey, and returned for a TD. Broncos lose 10-7. Our lone TD was scored by back-up QB Gary Kubiak after Elway was pulled. even the great ones lay an egg every now and then.

And you obviously didn't pay close attention to the games played prior to Mike becoming our coach. We didn't run the ball as often as alot of people on here claim.

In fact one of our more credible and distinguished posters on here is B-Love, (who BTW has recorded practically EVERY Broncos game since the VCR was invented) and he would always debunk your theory of Sammy Winder run on 1st and 2nd down, then Elway chucking it on 3rd....as he points out that Winder averaged like 12 carries per game...as our featured RB.

OABB
10-05-2009, 03:25 PM
Orton played like dog **** for 3 quarters--go look at the game thread--I wasn't alone in condemning him.........

That's not my IQ--that's the # of times I had to fend off advances from your GirlFriend before I took out the restraining order.........

She always had a thing for a-holes. She said it would never work out with me because of my large penis and intellect. She said that she had met someone who is soooo lame that her inferiority complex could be soothed. I should have known it was you.

BTW, why do you like to be choked and anally fingered so much?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-05-2009, 03:27 PM
if it doesn't get more consistent by when....what if we're still undefeated? You can't call for Orton's benching when he's the 7th ranked passer with no picks, on an undefeated team. It makes you look foolish.

Yes he can. And he will.

And he prefers to look foolish. That's what he's best at.

Well, second to burning crosses.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 03:28 PM
if it doesn't get more consistent by when....what if we're still undefeated? You can't call for Orton's benching when he's the 7th ranked passer with no picks, on an undefeated team. It makes you look foolish.

That's exactly it--the AVERAGE FAN takes a macro view--well, well , well--we are 4-0--pass the Crush! More analytical types such as myself know that something just doesn't seem right DESPITE our wins--and when you take a closer look--you see EXACTLY what is wrong

1)An Immobile, noodle armed QB 2)followed by penalties on our OL. Remember-we almost lost games in which our defense gave up 7 & 10 points....

jhat01
10-05-2009, 03:29 PM
That;s exactly it--the AVERAGE FAN takes a macro view--well, well , well--we are 4-0--pass the Crush! More analytical types such as myself knwo that something just doesn't seem right DESPITE our wins--and when you take a closer look--you see EXACTLY what is wrong

1)An Immobile, noodle armed QB 2)followed by penalties on our OL. Remember-we almost lost games in which our defense gave up 7 & 10 points....

you left out the 7th ranked passer part

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 03:30 PM
She always had a thing for a-holes. She said it would never work out with me because of my large penis and intellect. She said that she had met someone who is soooo lame that her inferiority complex could be soothed. I should have known it was you.

BTW, why do you like to be choked and anally fingered so much?

Since the restraining order, I am now safe from her untoward advances........

errand
10-05-2009, 03:32 PM
He got hurt chief........

Elway's injury happened after he staked the Bills to a 10-0 lead with his horrible middle screen pick-6. You stated that if our d held an opponent to 7 or less points we'd kick their asses by 14+.....well mpls just gave you an example of the criteria you gave...and we lost.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 03:33 PM
Elway's injury happened after he staked the Bills to a 10-0 lead with his horrible middle screen pick-6. You stated that if our d held an opponent to 7 or less points we'd kick their asses by 14+.....well mpls just gave you an example of the criteria you gave...and we lost.

In a SPREAD OFFENSE WITH A GUN LIKE JOHN ELWAY'S--absolutely we go the bowl (but get hammered by WAS AGAIN)--

jhat01
10-05-2009, 03:38 PM
you left out the 7th ranked passer part

and the no picks part...but keep telling yourself that you are smarter than everyone else. There is not one person in the entire world with any football knowledge whatsoever that would bench Kyle orton right now, or if his stats stay anywhere near where they are for the rest of the season. You are out there dude,and looking worse by the minute.

errand
10-05-2009, 03:39 PM
How about a 20% 3rd down conversion rate--but wait--you are going to blame those on penalties, right?

...well, when penalties put you in a 3rd and 29 hole...yeah, I think you could say that greatly diminishes the ability of the team to convert 3rd downs.

Archer81
10-05-2009, 03:44 PM
Yes he can. And he will.

And he prefers to look foolish. That's what he's best at.

Well, second to burning crosses.


I hear he eats babies and uses puppies as shark bait. He also is the president of the I Heart Hitler fan club...


:Broncos:

errand
10-05-2009, 03:46 PM
Unreal--unlike you average clowns who are happy with a 19pt/game offense I want our team to dominate--and Kyle orton is not capable of that........he is the handicap to our offense

I know i've only got a public education, but 19 points per game on offense with a D giving up only 7 points means your average win is by 12 points. Is that correct?



....and according to you a hall of famer like Elway would be beating teams by 14 points if he had this D. So I guess, according to your own logic, Orton must be pretty damn good since his average win margin is 12 points.

Dagmar
10-05-2009, 03:46 PM
http://www.facepalm.org/img.php

This whole thread is a facepalm.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 03:47 PM
...well, when penalties put you in a 3rd and 29 hole...yeah, I think you could say that greatly diminishes the ability of the team to convert 3rd downs.

2 of 10 amazing --all of those conversions must have been 20+ yards or more!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-05-2009, 03:47 PM
That's exactly it--the AVERAGE FAN takes a macro view--well, well , well--we are 4-0--pass the Crush! More analytical types such as myself know that something just doesn't seem right DESPITE our wins--and when you take a closer look--you see EXACTLY what is wrong

1)An Immobile, noodle armed QB 2)followed by penalties on our OL. Remember-we almost lost games in which our defense gave up 7 & 10 points....

So let me get this straight.

If Orton was putting up 300 yards a game and several touchdowns and we were 0-4, that same "macro-view" fan would be saying he was not a success?

So... what's wrong with being a macro-view fan?

yeesh. The more you post, the dumber you sound.

errand
10-05-2009, 03:48 PM
17 points to a team giving up 20/game and who gave up 21 to Tampa and 450 yards of offense----If you think that Tampa has more offensive talent than we do--go right ahead........

Everyone has a bad day every now and then...take yourself for instance, you're getting your ass handed to you in this thread you started.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 03:50 PM
I know i've only got a public education, but 19 points per game on offense with a D giving up only 7 points means your average win is by 12 points. Is that correct?



....and according to you a hall of famer like Elway would be beating teams by 14 points if he had this D. So I guess, according to your own logic, Orton must be pretty damn good since his average win margin is 12 points.

If we maintain giving up 7 points per game on the season--I will buy you a SB ticket and fly you to the game...but here is the problem--I forsee this D giving up around 17-18pts/game which still is terrific from what we had to deal with the last 2.5 seasons--but our offensive decline is due strictly to our inefficient QB..........

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 03:51 PM
Everyone has a bad day every now and then...take yourself for instance, you're getting your ass handed to you in this thread you started.

You may think your retorts are clever--but thinking, as evidenced by your other posts--is NOT your strong suit.........

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 03:52 PM
So let me get this straight.

If Orton was putting up 300 yards a game and several touchdowns and we were 0-4, that same "macro-view" fan would be saying he was not a success?

So... what's wrong with being a macro-view fan?

yeesh. The more you post, the dumber you sound.

Is your post even worth responding to? If we were 0-4 and Orton was putting up 300+ a game--I would be focused on our defense--OF COURSE.

errand
10-05-2009, 03:53 PM
A blind monkey humping a football is more observant than you are. I will try to put it in terms you can understand. Dallas put up more points than tampa did...therefore WINNING the contest...who cares how many yards they gave up or points they allowed? Football is not a game of rankings, lil baby fail.


:Broncos:

Exactly...wins> flashy stats

When Walter Payton set the NFL's single game rushing record with 275 yards rushing, guess what the final score was?

They beat the Vikes 10-7. How is that possible?

...how could you rush for over 300 yards in a game and only score 10 points? and how could your D give up over 300 yards rushing and give up only 10 points? Well, the winning QB threw a few INT's. which kept the vikes in the game despite their suspect run D.