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Archer81
10-05-2009, 02:53 PM
This thread is much more awesome with bitchfan7 on iggie.


:Broncos:

jhat01
10-05-2009, 02:54 PM
You may think your retorts are clever--but thinking, as evidenced by your other posts--is NOT your strong suit.........

look around dude, you're the only one in the world calling for Orton's benching. Thinking is your strong suit? Your argument is based on something that hasn't happened yet. It doesn't make sense....Orton is the 7th ranked passer in the league.

errand
10-05-2009, 02:57 PM
Cutler is growing just fine. Ask the Bears fans and players which QB would they rather have.....Orton or Cutler! Enough said.


4-0 > 3-1....doesn't seem like either team is missing their former QB.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 02:58 PM
look around dude, you're the only one in the world calling for Orton's benching. Thinking is your strong suit? Your argument is based on something that hasn't happened yet. It doesn't make sense....Orton is the 7th ranked passer in the league.

You mean his inadequacy on 3rd down(17th in the NFL)--the fact that our scoring is down 4pts/gm and our yardage by 30 per game while we improved our personnel? I imagined that?

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 02:59 PM
Exactly...wins> flashy stats

When Walter Payton set the NFL's single game rushing record with 275 yards rushing, guess what the final score was?

They beat the Vikes 10-7. How is that possible?

...how could you rush for over 300 yards in a game and only score 10 points? and how could your D give up over 300 yards rushing and give up only 10 points? Well, the winning QB threw a few INT's. which kept the vikes in the game despite their suspect run D.

We are looking for POSITIVE CONSISTENCY--17th in 3rd down conversion rates--scoring down 4 points /game with improved offensive personnel.......nice try.

cutthemdown
10-05-2009, 03:02 PM
People forget the yr we won our first Superbowl Elway was only throwing for around 200 yrds a game. Sometimes as few as 18-20 attempts in a a game. Winning the Superbowl is about playing good defense, scoring points, and controlling the clock by running the ball.

Sure there are other ways to build a winner. We have had quite a few great offensive Superbowl winners. In almost all those cases though the real reason for them winning was because the other teams defense wasn't good enough.

Get to the Superbowl with a defense that holds teams to under 20 points a game and you have a great shot at being champs.

Have a team that scores a lot, but whose defense isn't really good, and your one of like 10 teams every yr with a shot to get hot and make a run.

If Broncos can find a QB who can be a more prolific passer and be a team player, then by all means they should draft/sign that player.

Mcdaniels will probably get Brandstater ready in a few yrs who knows. Right now though Orton is our best option and the coaches are smart keeping him under control and not taking a lot of risks.

Notice how once we needed the score Orton started hitting some type of throws you had not even seen him throw? Because he is playing to win, not to get stats. When he has the lead and defense is dominating he is going to be conservative.

Also IMO the glove bothering him. The dislocation is bothering him. The stitches are bothering.

I'd guess that when he takes the glove off, he stops throwing high so often.

You are right about one thing. If Orton was playing perfect and had not missed some chances he has had, we would be looking much better and have 3-4 more tds then we do.

But there is no reason we have to believe Orton will keep leaving those scores on the field. We have more reason to believe he can get better and so can the players around him.

We have a good coaching staff that has already worked wonders with a team that was soft, poor tackling, crap special teams, turnover machine can't get to the QB sack of ****.

To fix all that is huge. Focus on that and not the fact Cutler is gone. That's really what you can't get over.

You will enjoy the yr more if you just give it up.

jhat01
10-05-2009, 03:05 PM
You mean his inadequacy on 3rd down(17th in the NFL)--the fact that our scoring is down 4pts/gm and our yardage by 30 per game while we improved our personnel? I imagined that?

you are the only person on the planet that would bench orton right now. the only one...you can pick out whatever negative stat you want, all the while leaving out the positives. It makes it easy for you, and it makes it easy for the rest of us to laugh at your flawed logic. You are backward looking, in case you havent noticed, this is a new year, EVERY TEAM's stats have changed. It's stupid to bench THE 7TH RANKED QB IN THE LEAGUE.

55CrushEm
10-05-2009, 03:05 PM
broncofan7.......ultimate retard.

Or do I say "Full retard"?

We could honestly go 19-0, and he'd still do nothing but bitch.

Honestly, dude.......no, REALLY honestly (as in I'm not even kidding).....go find a new team to cheer for.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 03:06 PM
People forget the yr we won our first Superbowl Elway was only throwing for around 200 yrds a game. Sometimes as few as 18-20 attempts in a a game. Winning the Superbowl is about playing good defense, scoring points, and controlling the clock by running the ball.

Sure there are other ways to build a winner. We have had quite a few great offensive Superbowl winners. In almost all those cases though the real reason for them winning was because the other teams defense wasn't good enough.

Get to the Superbowl with a defense that holds teams to under 20 points a game and you have a great shot at being champs.

Have a team that scores a lot, but whose defense isn't really good, and your one of like 10 teams every yr with a shot to get hot and make a run.

If Broncos can find a QB who can be a more prolific passer and be a team player, then by all means they should draft/sign that player.

Mcdaniels will probably get Brandstater ready in a few yrs who knows. Right now though Orton is our best option and the coaches are smart keeping him under control and not taking a lot of risks.

Notice how once we needed the score Orton started hitting some type of throws you had not even seen him throw? Because he is playing to win, not to get stats. When he has the lead and defense is dominating he is going to be conservative.

Also IMO the glove bothering him. The dislocation is bothering him. The stitches are bothering.

I'd guess that when he takes the glove off, he stops throwing high so often.

You are right about one thing. If Orton was playing perfect and had not missed some chances he has had, we would be looking much better and have 3-4 more tds then we do.

But there is no reason we have to believe Orton will keep leaving those scores on the field. We have more reason to believe he can get better and so can the players around him.

We have a good coaching staff that has already worked wonders with a team that was soft, poor tackling, crap special teams, turnover machine can't get to the QB sack of ****.

To fix all that is huge. Focus on that and not the fact Cutler is gone. That's really what you can't get over.

You will enjoy the yr more if you just give it up.

What was our offense averaging per game? 29.5 pts #1 in the NFL in 1997

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=SCORING&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=1997&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go

I am explaining to you people WHY this offense is not holding up it's end of the bargain...look no further than #8.

NEXT.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 03:08 PM
broncofan7.......ultimate retard.

Or do I say "Full retard"?

We could honestly go 19-0, and he'd still do nothing but b****.

Honestly, dude.......no, REALLY honestly (as in I'm not even kidding).....go find a new team to cheer for.

With this QB--I'd be ecstatic with a WC..........READ, open up your eyes--look at the statistics--our defense is giving up almost 10 points less per game than the #2 ranked scoring defense--yet we had to battle it out in two of our games...........why is that? It's the QB stupid.

55CrushEm
10-05-2009, 03:09 PM
With this QB--I'd be ecstatic with a WC..........READ, open up your eyes--look at the statistics--our defense is giving up almost 10 points less per game than the #2 ranked scoring defense--yet we had to battle it out in two of our games...........why is that? It's the QB stupid.

Back to the basics for you...........what is the only stat that matters?

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..... want a hint?

Ummmmm......it starts with "W" and ends in "INS".....

errand
10-05-2009, 03:09 PM
Might as well not bother with BF7. he's about as useful as a screen door on a submarine.

...or a street cleaner in Venice

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-05-2009, 03:10 PM
Is your post even worth responding to? If we were 0-4 and Orton was putting up 300+ a game--I would be focused on our defense--OF COURSE.

Yes, it's worth responding to.

Because the fact is, he's completing 59%, is on pace for 20 touchdowns, and is 4-0.

He's doing what we need for him to do to win football games. Period. And while he's not the reason we're winning necessarily, he doesn't have to be. This is the point that has been drilled into your incredibly thick head for months now. HE DOESN'T HAVE TO WIN IT ON HIS OWN. HE HAS A TEAM AROUND HIM. As long as he doesn't do anything to LOSE the game, we can WIN the game.

Do you really not see the correlation here?

"Oh, but you macro fans only think about the record." Well hell yes we do. WTF is wrong with that?

Oh right. You have to have something to complain about. I forgot. This is the same guy that bitches about Hillis not getting carries because he's white, and other race-related bull**** to make himself feel better about his station in life.

Le sigh.

55CrushEm
10-05-2009, 03:12 PM
With this QB--I'd be ecstatic with a WC..........READ, open up your eyes--look at the statistics--our defense is giving up almost 10 points less per game than the #2 ranked scoring defense--yet we had to battle it out in two of our games...........why is that? It's the QB stupid.

Maybe, maybe not. Maybe Royal is having a hard time with the new routes. Maybe it's other things.

But I'll take efficient ball control with ZERO turnovers over gunslinger anyday. You must have really enjoyed being 15-17 over the past 2 seasons.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 03:12 PM
Back to the basics for you...........what is the only stat that matters?

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..... want a hint?

Ummmmm......it starts with "W" and ends in "INS".....

For the average person--that is all that matters--I am more interested in the how and why..........How are we wining our games--superb D/ST play and average offensive play--Why have two of our games been close--because our Qb struggles on 3rd down against defenses that are not in the bottom 3rd of the league.......

jutang
10-05-2009, 03:17 PM
Orton is playing coming up with the plays when he is called upon. He doesn't make it look pretty, but I frankly don't care. Although the offense isn't putting up any great numbers, I don't feel that Orton is holding the offense back as much as Plummer did in 06. Orton is playing it safe and knows he doesn't have to force anything especially with the way the defense is playing. I still wish 3rd down efficiency was better, but it is a work in progress and the Broncos have already surpassed my expectations.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-05-2009, 03:18 PM
For the average person--that is all that matters--I am more interested in the how and why..........How are we wining our games--superb D/ST play and average offensive play--Why have two of our games been close--because our Qb struggles on 3rd down against defenses that are not in the bottom 3rd of the league.......

Why have two of our games been close? Perhaps it was because those two teams are actually pretty decent? Could be? Maybe? No?

Guess what, skippy: Orton kept us in both of those games by NOT MAKING MISTAKES.

Your dad could have avoided a major mistake by not throwing it in your mom. Unfortunately, unlike the "bench Orton" crusade, we all know how that ended up. :thanku:

bombay
10-05-2009, 03:22 PM
25-12

errand
10-05-2009, 03:27 PM
If we maintain giving up 7 points per game on the season--I will buy you a SB ticket and fly you to the game...but here is the problem--I forsee this D giving up around 17-18pts/game which still is terrific from what we had to deal with the last 2.5 seasons--but our offensive decline is due strictly to our inefficient QB..........

So in your eyes, it's possible that our D will get progressively worse as the year goes on...but our offense cannot get progressively better as the year goes on?

But since you like to discuss averages...I'll demonstrate your absurdity by being absurd myself.

We're averaging 18 INT's less this season than last year (we threw 18 INT's last year, on pace to not throw a single one this year)

We're averaging 8 more wins this year over last season (we won eight games in '08...on pace to go 16-0 this year)

We're averaging 8 fewer losses this year than last year's (see above, replacing the word won with lost)

So if you look at the averages, we'll go undefeated, winning all of our games by the average score of 19-7, and we'll have a QB whose rating would astronomically high since he'll throw 20 TD's and 0 INT's. Oh, and Orton would have his record as a starting QB pumped up to 37-12 with those 16 wins.

easymobee
10-05-2009, 11:14 PM
Unreal--unlike you average clowns who are happy with a 19pt/game offense I want our team to dominate--and Kyle orton is not capable of that........he is the handicap to our offense

Lamont Jordan has a message for "fans" ( no lets just say posters ) like Broncofan7.


"Like I told you about Cutler: You all can go to Chicago. He's in Chicago. We're the Denver Broncos. Kyle Orton is our quarterback," Lamont Jordan said. "I'm not surprised at anything that has happened here."

Boobs McGee
10-05-2009, 11:53 PM
Lamont Jordan has a message for "fans" ( no lets just say posters ) like Broncofan7.


"Like I told you about Cutler: You all can go to Chicago. He's in Chicago. We're the Denver Broncos. Kyle Orton is our quarterback," Lamont Jordan said. "I'm not surprised at anything that has happened here."


/end thread

Boobs McGee
10-06-2009, 12:16 AM
and JUST for clarifications sake:


usual suspects? you clown---I am giving him a chance to win me over--I told you that i didn't think he could lead us back when being down 10-0--now here is his chance to prove me wrong........

I say again


TADAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

suck it bitch ;D


you said: "i am giving him a chance to win me over--I told you that i didn't think he could lead us back when being down 10-0--now here is his chance to prove me wrong........"

NOW. If you want to go ahead and double back on your original line of thinking, and be a welcher, than that's fine.

From the time the final score dropped, AND KYLE ORTON DID EXACTLY WHAT YOU ASKED OF HIM (if you're still not getting it, he led the team back after being down 10-0. final score was 17-10), you've done nothing but bitch and moan about HOW he did it, thus showing us how idiotic you truly are. This is coming up on Lex NBAPLAYOFFS meltdown epic. You're original post said NOTHING about how to accomplish you're feat, only that it be accomplished. GAWD you're a retard.

It's cool dude, I bet you're also the guy who gets super pissed when his kid beats him in ________ (substitute any of the following here. foosball, baseball, basketball, football, picking up women, speaking with clarity, washing dishes, chewing gum, masturbating, finding free porn on the internet, bashing gays/blacks/mexicans, phone number dialing, cup stacking, hair combing, hair REMOVAL, bracelet making, phone number dialing, ironing, walking, jogging, running, hopping, skipping, jumping, ****ting), and ends up going best out of 3, then 5, then 7, and on and on until you finally ****ing win.

You suck at the internet.

You suck at rooting for the best team in the nfl, who HAPPENS to be 4 and 0 right now.

You suck at failing, because EVEN WITH the epic proportions with which you manage to do so, your fails fail.

You suck at life, and arguing with you is seriously like running a race in the special olympics. You might win, but you're still a retard.

You officially passed EVERY OTHER ****ty poster on the history of this board, and went straight to the front of the class.



I'd like to dedicate this next clip, to a dear, dear, idiot I know. At first, it wasn't clear that he'd manage to get himself into a position of prestigious recognition, but he REALLY worked at it. I mean, this guy has the tenacity of a starving dog in a room full of peanut butter covered testicles. Anyway, without further ado, here ya go broncofan7. A clip that truly represents your outlook and response to any topic that you don't agree with. Lex, sorry buddy, but this clip is no longer yours.


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Feel free to respond, guy, but I truly don't give a ****. You won't be getting any more responses.

Cheerio and have a super day!

Boobs McGee
10-06-2009, 12:20 AM
oh, and GO BRONCOS!

:lombardi:

TailgateNut
10-06-2009, 01:16 AM
and just for clarifications sake:
, this guy has the tenacity of a starving dog in a room full of peanut butter covered testicles.

!




^5

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 05:02 AM
and JUST for clarifications sake:




I say again


TADAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

suck it b**** ;D


you said: "i am giving him a chance to win me over--I told you that i didn't think he could lead us back when being down 10-0--now here is his chance to prove me wrong........"

NOW. If you want to go ahead and double back on your original line of thinking, and be a welcher, than that's fine.

From the time the final score dropped, AND KYLE ORTON DID EXACTLY WHAT YOU ASKED OF HIM (if you're still not getting it, he led the team back after being down 10-0. final score was 17-10), you've done nothing but b**** and moan about HOW he did it, thus showing us how idiotic you truly are. This is coming up on Lex NBAPLAYOFFS meltdown epic. You're original post said NOTHING about how to accomplish you're feat, only that it be accomplished. GAWD you're a retard.

It's cool dude, I bet you're also the guy who gets super pissed when his kid beats him in ________ (substitute any of the following here. foosball, baseball, basketball, football, picking up women, speaking with clarity, washing dishes, chewing gum, masturbating, finding free porn on the internet, bashing gays/blacks/mexicans, phone number dialing, cup stacking, hair combing, hair REMOVAL, bracelet making, phone number dialing, ironing, walking, jogging, running, hopping, skipping, jumping, ****ting), and ends up going best out of 3, then 5, then 7, and on and on until you finally ****ing win.

You suck at the internet.

You suck at rooting for the best team in the nfl, who HAPPENS to be 4 and 0 right now.

You suck at failing, because EVEN WITH the epic proportions with which you manage to do so, your fails fail.

You suck at life, and arguing with you is seriously like running a race in the special olympics. You might win, but you're still a retard.

You officially passed EVERY OTHER ****ty poster on the history of this board, and went straight to the front of the class.



I'd like to dedicate this next clip, to a dear, dear, idiot I know. At first, it wasn't clear that he'd manage to get himself into a position of prestigious recognition, but he REALLY worked at it. I mean, this guy has the tenacity of a starving dog in a room full of peanut butter covered testicles. Anyway, without further ado, here ya go broncofan7. A clip that truly represents your outlook and response to any topic that you don't agree with. Lex, sorry buddy, but this clip is no longer yours.


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Feel free to respond, guy, but I truly don't give a ****. You won't be getting any more responses.

Cheerio and have a super day!

IF you would have been told that we would hold Dallas to 10 points TOTAL--would you have not selected us to win this game EASILY? It took us into the two minute warning to overcome our offensive ineptitude against a team that averaged giving up 20 points per game ----your lack of football acumen is quite apparent as is your lack of creativity--talk about FAIL.

errand
10-06-2009, 05:26 AM
We are looking for POSITIVE CONSISTENCY--17th in 3rd down conversion rates....nice try.

...and of course you failed to notice we're ranked 23rd in 3rd down attempts which means we are seeing fewer 3rd downs...which means this offense is doing a good job of AVOIDING 3rd down period.

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 05:28 AM
I mean, this guy has the tenacity of a starving dog in a room full of peanut butter covered testicles

Or as you and TGN would call it--a hot date.

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 05:29 AM
...and of course you failed to notice we're ranked 23rd in 3rd down attempts which means we are seeing fewer 3rd downs...which means this offense is doing a good job of AVOIDING 3rd down period.

We are seeing fewer third downs BECAUSE WE ARE NOT CONVERTING THEM THE 1ST TIME WE ENCOUNTER ONE NEARLY EFFICIENTLY ENOUGH..........:clown:

baja
10-06-2009, 05:55 AM
We are seeing fewer third downs BECAUSE WE ARE NOT CONVERTING THEM THE 1ST TIME WE ENCOUNTER ONE NEARLY EFFICIENTLY ENOUGH..........:clown:

Look at TOP

errand
10-06-2009, 05:55 AM
We are seeing fewer third downs BECAUSE WE ARE NOT CONVERTING THEM THE 1ST TIME WE ENCOUNTER ONE NEARLY EFFICIENTLY ENOUGH..........:clown:

....sorry, I cannot understand gibberish. What the hell are you trying to say here?

We're seeing fewer third downs because we're not converting them?

I'm not saying you're stupid...but, wouldn't you have to be?

TailgateNut
10-06-2009, 05:59 AM
....

I'm not saying you're stupid...but, wouldn't you have to be?


Most people make some stupid mistakes in their lives, BF7 IS stupid 24-7 and wants to erase all doubt.

baja
10-06-2009, 06:00 AM
....sorry, I cannot understand gibberish. What the hell are you trying to say here?

We're seeing fewer third downs because we're not converting them?

I'm not saying you're stupid...but, wouldn't you have to be?

He's trying to make the point that if you do not convert a third down early in a drive than you 3 down opportunities will be limited because you are not on the field to have more opportunities. I referred him to the TOP which we are ranked 11th.

errand
10-06-2009, 06:00 AM
Oh, and something else for you to gag on besides our 4-0 record....

You keep doubting Kyle being able to get it done with the game on the line.

When trailing Kyle's comp. pct. is 66%, has 3 TD's and a rating of 125.7

When down 1-8 points his numbers are 66%, 2 TD's and 118.8

When down by 9-16 points his numbers are 67% 1 TD and 120.8

His 3rd qtr passer rating is 91.6

His 4th qtr rating is 144.7

...and the money shot for you to choke on, when within 7 points of an opponent in the 4th qtr...his rating is 153.8

baja
10-06-2009, 06:02 AM
errand where do you find these stats?

errand
10-06-2009, 06:08 AM
BTW, we're 7th in yards per play...which lends more credence to my theory that we're seeing fewer third downs because we're doing much better on avoiding them altogether

errand
10-06-2009, 06:09 AM
errand where do you find these stats?

NFL.com...go to player stats, and click on situational. It tells you a player's numbers on 4th down, 3rd down, inside the opposing team's 20, etc.

TailgateNut
10-06-2009, 06:16 AM
Oh, and something else for you to gag on besides our 4-0 record....

You keep doubting Kyle being able to get it done with the game on the line.

When trailing Kyle's comp. pct. is 66%, has 3 TD's and a rating of 125.7

When down 1-8 points his numbers are 66%, 2 TD's and 118.8

When down by 9-16 points his numbers are 67% 1 TD and 120.8

His 3rd qtr passer rating is 91.6

His 4th qtr rating is 144.7

...and the money shot for you to choke on, when within 7 points of an opponent in the 4th qtr...his rating is 153.8

I'm sure the dillwad (BF7) is currently working overtime to come up with some BS which will, in his infantile mind, justify his hate for Orton and the Broncos.

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 06:18 AM
Look at TOP

the TOP is mostly dictated by your running game--our rushing offense has been phenomenal (4th in the NFL)--hence our TOP looks good --despite our inefficiency (completion %) from our QB........Orton is 23rd @ 59%...........

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 06:22 AM
Oh, and something else for you to gag on besides our 4-0 record....

You keep doubting Kyle being able to get it done with the game on the line.

When trailing Kyle's comp. pct. is 66%, has 3 TD's and a rating of 125.7

When down 1-8 points his numbers are 66%, 2 TD's and 118.8

When down by 9-16 points his numbers are 67% 1 TD and 120.8

His 3rd qtr passer rating is 91.6

His 4th qtr rating is 144.7

...and the money shot for you to choke on, when within 7 points of an opponent in the 4th qtr...his rating is 153.8

We have allowed 7 points in one game and 10 in another and could have lost BOTH--so he puts together ONE DECENT QTR in a 4 QTR game and you want to celebrate that??? Is that what you have come to expect????--there will come a time when our defense gives up more than 7 or 10 points---and when they do--Orton had better hold up his end of the bargain--our rushing offense is 4th--he completion % is 59% and we are in the bottom half in 3rd down conversion rate---these are SIGNS that our offense is not as productive as it was last year--and Orton is the rate limiting factor..........

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 06:23 AM
I'm sure the dillwad (BF7) is currently working overtime to come up with some BS which will, in his infantile mind, justify his hate for Orton and the Broncos.

I dislike Orton's PLAY--hate for the broncos??? :rofl:--I know you probably 'settle' in most things in your life--but some of us STRIVE TO GET BETTER and want the best for those things we care about.......you should try that sometime.........

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 06:26 AM
BTW, we're 7th in yards per play...which lends more credence to my theory that we're seeing fewer third downs because we're doing much better on avoiding them altogether

So since we are not turning the ball over--and we are 7th in yards per play--why are we 19th in the league in pts/ game?

Spider
10-06-2009, 06:29 AM
Oh, and something else for you to gag on besides our 4-0 record....

You keep doubting Kyle being able to get it done with the game on the line.

When trailing Kyle's comp. pct. is 66%, has 3 TD's and a rating of 125.7

When down 1-8 points his numbers are 66%, 2 TD's and 118.8

When down by 9-16 points his numbers are 67% 1 TD and 120.8

His 3rd qtr passer rating is 91.6

His 4th qtr rating is 144.7

...and the money shot for you to choke on, when within 7 points of an opponent in the 4th qtr...his rating is 153.8

;D I dont know where in the hell you find these stats ............. Just damn glad u do ......

baja
10-06-2009, 06:30 AM
So since we are not turning the ball over--and we are 7th in yards per play--why are we 19th in the league in pts/ game?

Drive killing penalties is the biggest reason.

jhat01
10-06-2009, 06:31 AM
We have allowed 7 points in one game and 10 in another and could have lost BOTH--so he puts together ONE DECENT QTR in a 4 QTR game and you want to celebrate that??? Is that what you have come to expect????--there will come a time when our defense gives up more than 7 or 10 points---and when they do--Orton had better hold up his end of the bargain--our rushing offense is 4th--he completion % is 59% and we are in the bottom half in 3rd down conversion rate---these are SIGNS that our offense is not as productive as it was last year--and Orton is the rate limiting factor..........

Or what? You gonna fire him? You sure are stuck on yourself. You want to bench the qb with a 97.7 rating before he even has a bad game because it's inevitable that he's going to have a bad game?

TailgateNut
10-06-2009, 06:34 AM
[QUOTE=jhat01;2585684] You sure are stuck on yourself. QUOTE]

QFT!

strafen
10-06-2009, 06:39 AM
Our offense is as potent if not more potent as it was last year
Orton sucks, end of story. He's holding this offense back.
It's like having a Ferrari and having your granma drive it all the time...

What is it that you guys saw in Orton that now we have an Orton sniff-ass convention here?
Did you guys not see how bad this guy is?
Seriously. This guy is as mediocre of a QB as they come
Where are your standards as far as QB's go?
Orton? really, Orton? Hilarious!!!
We measure QB's here by Elway's standards, NOT by Gus Frerote's
Please be able to see and recognize a good QB when you see one

Orton's been given credit for his winning record in the same way people here were defending Cutlers losing record.
Orton had the benefit of having good defense(s) around him, and this year is NOT any different. 6.5 points allowed. That wins games
If our defense was allowing less than last year, say 17-20 points per game, which in itself would be an improvement over last year, our record would be 0-4

We're winning because of our defense. Our receivers are making the plays after the catch. Converting Oton's 2-yard lasers into a 10+ yard gains
Orton has been irrelevant in all of our wins.

Show me a play that is all Orton that won any game for us this season

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 06:39 AM
Or what? You gonna fire him? You sure are stuck on yourself. You want to bench the qb with a 97.7 rating before he even has a bad game because it's inevitable that he's going to have a bad game?

Without a hailmary deflection TD in game one --he leads us to ZERO TD's

Against Dallas--without getting the ball at the 11 yard line--he leads us to ONLY 10 points--but only after a spectacular, YAC effort from Marshall--playing against a team that gave up 21 points to Tampa and averaged giving up 20/game---go ahead an settle for mediocrity from the offense--those of us who enjoy the intricacies of the game realize that we are incredibly flawed in our passing game......you kool aid swilling plebians are just too stupid to realize it--
The moral in all of this:

You can lead a blind horse to water but you cannot make him drink it.......

strafen
10-06-2009, 06:42 AM
Oh, and something else for you to gag on besides our 4-0 record....

You keep doubting Kyle being able to get it done with the game on the line.

When trailing Kyle's comp. pct. is 66%, has 3 TD's and a rating of 125.7

When down 1-8 points his numbers are 66%, 2 TD's and 118.8

When down by 9-16 points his numbers are 67% 1 TD and 120.8

His 3rd qtr passer rating is 91.6

His 4th qtr rating is 144.7

...and the money shot for you to choke on, when within 7 points of an opponent in the 4th qtr...his rating is 153.8Up until last Sunday we have only trailed for 4 minutes in 3 full games.

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 06:43 AM
Our offense is as potent if not more potent as it was last year
Orton sucks, end of story. He's holding this offense back.
It's like having a Ferrari and having your granma drive it all the time...

What is it that you guys saw in Orton that now we have an Orton sniff-ass convention here?
Did you guys not see how bad this guy is?
Seriously. This guy is as mediocre of a QB as they come
Where are your standards as far as QB goes?
Orton? really, Orton? Hilarious!!!
He's been given credit for his winning record in the same way people here were defending Cutlers losing record.
Orton had the benefit of having good defense(s) around him, and this year is NOT any different. 6.5 points allowed. That wins games
If our defense was allowing less than last year, say 17-20 points per game, which in itself would it's an improvement over last year, our record would be 0-4

We're winning because of our defense. Our receivers are making the plays after the catch. Converting Oton's 2-yard lasers into a 10+ yard gains
Orton has been irrelevant in all of our wins.

Show me a play that is all Orton that won any game for us this season

They will say the deflected hail mary or the 51 yard catch and run effort from Marshall...........:rofl:

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 06:45 AM
Drive killing penalties is the biggest reason.

Not on EVERY drive--but certainly they have played a role--especially in the 1st half against Dallas...........

jhat01
10-06-2009, 06:47 AM
Without a hailmary deflection TD in game one --he leads us to ZERO TD's

Against Dallas--without getting the ball at the 11 yard line--he leads us to ONLY 10 points--but only after a spectacular, YAC effort from Marshall--playing against a team that gave up 21 points to Tampa and averaged giving up 20/game---go ahead an settle for mediocrity from the offense--those of us who enjoy the intricacies of the game realize that we are incredibly flawed in our passing game......you kool aid swilling plebians are just too stupid to realize it--
The moral in all of this:

You can lead a blind horse to water but you cannot make him drink it.......


**** YOU...again, nobody has called Orton the long term answer at qb. He's managing the game well, and is the 7th ranked passer in the league. He won't get benched, you are going to do this all year because like I've said many times..not a single reasonable person with any football knowledge would call for his benching right now.

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 06:50 AM
**** YOU...again, nobody has called Orton the long term answer at qb. He's managing the game well, and is the 7th ranked passer in the league. He won't get benched, you are going to do this all year because like I've said many times..not a single reasonable person with any football knowledge would call for his benching right now.

He's 9th but regardless--he is hardly holding up his end of the bargain-see his completion %, our third down conversion rate and our pedestrian points per game---drink up blind horse.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING&qualified=true&season=2009&seasonType=REG

strafen
10-06-2009, 06:52 AM
Drive killing penalties is the biggest reason.Orton is an inept QB. Please don't spin it around to defend this bum!
He's lousy man. Winning has been masking his inadequacies as QB that is sad the kool-aid over drinking has blinded you all
Orton is below average
Winning 4 games this season where he has been irrelevant in all of our wins, where our defense has bailed him out, where our receivers have bailed him out, doesn't make it any better QB than what he really is...

oubronco
10-06-2009, 06:55 AM
4-0 :thumbs:

baja
10-06-2009, 06:55 AM
Our offense is as potent if not more potent as it was last year
Orton sucks, end of story. He's holding this offense back.
It's like having a Ferrari and having your granma drive it all the time...

What is it that you guys saw in Orton that now we have an Orton sniff-ass convention here?
Did you guys not see how bad this guy is?
Seriously. This guy is as mediocre of a QB as they come
Where are your standards as far as QB's go?
Orton? really, Orton? Hilarious!!!
We measure QB's here by Elway's standards, NOT by Gus Frerote's
Please be able to see and recognize a good QB when you see one

Orton's been given credit for his winning record in the same way people here were defending Cutlers losing record.
Orton had the benefit of having good defense(s) around him, and this year is NOT any different. 6.5 points allowed. That wins games
If our defense was allowing less than last year, say 17-20 points per game, which in itself would be an improvement over last year, our record would be 0-4

We're winning because of our defense. Our receivers are making the plays after the catch. Converting Oton's 2-yard lasers into a 10+ yard gains
Orton has been irrelevant in all of our wins.

<b> Show me a play that is all Orton that won any game for us this season

Don't you remember that time he passed it to himself and ran fifty yards for the score and broke 11 tackles along the way?

TailgateNut
10-06-2009, 06:57 AM
Orton is an inept QB. Please don't spin it around to defend this bum!
He's lousy man. Winning has been masking his inadequacies as QB that is sad the kool-aid over drinking has blinded you all
Orton is below average
Winning 4 games this season where he has been irrelevant in all of our wins, where our defense has bailed him out, where our receivers have bailed him out, doesn't make it any better QB than what he really is...


BF7 has cloned himself so he can have someone who will pat him on the back like his mommy did WAY TO OFTEN.

baja
10-06-2009, 06:58 AM
Without a hailmary deflection TD in game one --he leads us to ZERO TD's

Against Dallas--without getting the ball at the 11 yard line--he leads us to ONLY 10 points--but only after a spectacular, YAC effort from Marshall--playing against a team that gave up 21 points to Tampa and averaged giving up 20/game---go ahead an settle for mediocrity from the offense--those of us who enjoy the intricacies of the game realize that we are incredibly flawed in our passing game......you kool aid swilling plebians are just too stupid to realize it--
The moral in all of this:

You can lead a blind horse to water but you cannot make him drink it.......


So your saying if the horse isn't blind than you can make him drink???

oubronco
10-06-2009, 06:59 AM
So your saying if the horse isn't blind than you can make him drink???

:rofl: :rofl: :thumbsup:

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 06:59 AM
Don't you remember that time he passed it to himself and ran fifty yards for the score and broke 11 tackles along the way?

Defenses do NOT have to account for Kyle Orton and his 'playmaking' ability and Elway didn't have a cast around him to the extent that Orton/Cutler in 2008 had--so your comparison is worthless.........

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 07:02 AM
So your saying if the horse isn't blind than you can make him drink???

No wonder you cannot grasp why Orton is holding us back on offense--a simple analogy that a 4th grader would understand seems to have dumbfounded you--but after reading your posts in this and other threads--I am not surprised.......

oubronco
10-06-2009, 07:02 AM
Defenses do NOT have to account for Kyle Orton and his 'playmaking' ability and Elway didn't have a cast around him to the extent that Orton/Cutler in 2008 had--so your comparison is worthless.........

What part of 4-0 do you not like

baja
10-06-2009, 07:03 AM
No wonder you cannot grasp why Orton is holding us back on offense--a simple analogy that a 4th grader would understand seems to have dumbfounded you--but after reading your posts in this and other threads--I am not surprised.......

I feel dirty.

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 07:03 AM
What part of 4-0 do you not like

Read this thread........and others that I have started that you have chosen to spam........

oubronco
10-06-2009, 07:04 AM
Read this thread........and others that I have started that you have chosen to spam........

No spam here just the truth 4-0 :strong:

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 07:07 AM
BF7 has cloned himself so he can have someone who will pat him on the back like his mommy did WAY TO OFTEN.

Now that is a GREAT IDEA! I can respond to all of the BS that is posted on this site in a more regular fashion! thanks TGN! :welcome:

jhat01
10-06-2009, 07:08 AM
He's 9th but regardless--he is hardly holding up his end of the bargain-see his completion %, our third down conversion rate and our pedestrian points per game---drink up blind horse.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING&qualified=true&season=2009&seasonType=REG

No, he's not holding up your end of the bargain. His second half stats are amazing, that's all there is to it. His first half stats are slightly worse, but in no way bad. He misses receivers, just like every other qb. Sure he's in the bottom half of the league in completion % but ahead of Rivers, Romo, and Palmer. You cherry pick completion % as his major weakness, but you throw out the times he's thrown the ball out of bounds, or thrown it at the receivers feet because they weren't open. You leave out the fact that he's thrown no picks...SOmetimes taking a sack is just fine, sometimes throwing the ball away is just fine...completion % be damned. You completely ignore what kind of late game qb this guy has been so far. I'm not a blind Orton homer, I'm a realistic person who can see the good things he's done unlike you.

Quarters Att Comp Pct Yds Avg Lng TD Int 1st 1st% 20+ Sck Rate
1st Quarter 25 12 48.0 92 3.7 25 2 0 6 24.0 1 2 84.1

2nd Quarter 44 23 52.3 255 5.8 37 1 0 13 29.5 3 1 77.4

3rd Quarter 25 17 68.0 197 7.9 29 0 0 9 36.0 3 1 91.6

4th Quarter 23 17 73.9 362 15.7 87 2 0 10 43.5 6 2 144.7

4th Quarter within 7 19 15 78.9 321 16.9 87 2 0 8 42.1 5 2 153.8

So you don't want a guy that's playing as well as anybody can leading your team inthe 4th qtr?

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 07:11 AM
No, he's not holding up your end of the bargain. His second half stats are amazing, that's all there is to it. His first half stats are slightly worse, but in no way bad. He misses receivers, just like every other qb. Sure he's in the bottom half of the league in completion % but ahead of Rivers, Romo, and Palmer. You cherry pick completion % as his major weakness, but you throw out the times he's thrown the ball out of bounds, or thrown it at the receivers feet because they weren't open. You leave out the fact that he's thrown no picks...SOmetimes taking a sack is just fine, sometimes throwing the ball away is just fine...completion % be damned. You completely ignore what kind of late game qb this guy has been so far. I'm not a blind Orton homer, I'm a realistic person who can see the good things he's done unlike you.

Quarters Att Comp Pct Yds Avg Lng TD Int 1st 1st% 20+ Sck Rate
1st Quarter 25 12 48.0 92 3.7 25 2 0 6 24.0 1 2 84.1

2nd Quarter 44 23 52.3 255 5.8 37 1 0 13 29.5 3 1 77.4

3rd Quarter 25 17 68.0 197 7.9 29 0 0 9 36.0 3 1 91.6

4th Quarter 23 17 73.9 362 15.7 87 2 0 10 43.5 6 2 144.7

4th Quarter within 7 19 15 78.9 321 16.9 87 2 0 8 42.1 5 2 153.8

So you don't want a guy that's playing as well as anybody can leading your team inthe 4th qtr?

We needed to come back to win against teams that scored 7 and 10 points against us--WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?

strafen
10-06-2009, 07:11 AM
BF7 has cloned himself so he can have someone who will pat him on the back like his mommy did WAY TO OFTEN.

Oh, sorry. I'm a broncos fan, I mean a "true" bronco fan
Then, Orton is great. Look at his record, look, he has not thrown any INT
The rest is just BS
Please don't believe it was all our defense having anything to do with us being 4-0
It's all Orton. What a stud!
Please. Hand me another sip of that kool-aid! ROFL!

tsiguy96
10-06-2009, 07:16 AM
i really never thought you guys would cry this much after going 4-0. good thing the people who make the decisions that matter disagree with you.

baja
10-06-2009, 07:17 AM
By QB rating;


Rk Player Team Pos Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck Rate
1 Peyton Manning IND QB 97 137 70.8 34.2 1,336 9.8 334.0 9 3 61 44.5 80T 18 5 2 114.5
2 Drew Brees NO QB 87 129 67.4 32.2 1,031 8.0 257.8 9 2 47 36.4 58T 13 1 4 108.4
3 Brett Favre MIN QB 85 125 68.0 31.2 837 6.7 209.2 8 1 44 35.2 43 9 1 9 104.6
4 Eli Manning NYG QB 79 125 63.2 31.2 1,039 8.3 259.8 8 2 48 38.4 54T 18 3 2 104.1
5 Aaron Rodgers GB QB 77 127 60.6 31.8 1,098 8.6 274.5 6 1 47 37.0 62T 17 5 20 101.1
6 Matt Ryan ATL QB 60 91 65.9 30.3 648 7.1 216.0 5 1 38 41.8 27 9 0 2 100.4
7 Matt Schaub HOU QB 80 129 62.0 32.2 1,047 8.1 261.8 8 3 46 35.7 72T 15 5 8 98.6
8 Ben Roethlisberger PIT QB 104 142 73.2 35.5 1,193 8.4 298.2 5 4 59 41.5 51 14 2 10 98.1
9 Kyle Orton DEN QB 69 117 59.0 29.2 906 7.7 226.5 5 0 38 32.5 87T 13 3 6 97.7
10 Joe Flacco BAL QB 95 151 62.9 37.8 1,103 7.3 275.8 8 3 66 43.7 72T 12 1 5 94.3
11 Shaun Hill SF QB 66 106 62.3 26.5 700 6.6 175.0 5 1 32 30.2 50 7 1 13 93.3
12 Philip Rivers SD QB 88 150 58.7 37.5 1,245 8.3 311.2 6 3 58 38.7 81T 16 4 10 90.6
13 Jay Cutler CHI QB 83 129 64.3 32.2 901 7.0 225.2 8 5 44 34.1 68 13 1 8 89.3
14 David Garrard JAC QB 82 138 59.4 34.5 941 6.8 235.2 5 1 42 30.4 34 10 0 7 89.1
15 Kevin Kolb PHI QB 62 96 64.6 32.0 741 7.7 247.0 4 3 31 32.3 71T 8 3 3 88.9
16 Jason Campbell WAS QB 81 124 65.3 31.0 963 7.8 240.8 5 5 53 42.7 59T 10 2 8 85.5
17 Tom Brady NE QB 108 174 62.1 43.5 1,129 6.5 282.2 4 2 62 35.6 36T 9 0 4 83.7
18 Kurt Warner ARI QB 80 122 65.6 40.7 863 7.1 287.7 4 4 45 36.9 40 7 1 7 83.5
19 Seneca Wallace SEA QB 74 112 66.1 28.0 645 5.8 161.2 3 2 34 30.4 39T 6 0 8 82.6
20 Matt Cassel KC QB 53 89 59.6 29.7 458 5.1 152.7 5 2 24 27.0 43 4 1 10 82.5
21 Tony Romo DAL QB 76 131 58.0 32.8 990 7.6 247.5 4 4 40 30.5 80T 14 5 8 79.4
22 Trent Edwards BUF QB 70 117 59.8 29.2 790 6.8 197.5 5 5 35 29.9 43T 11 1 16 76.5
23 Chad Pennington MIA QB 51 74 68.9 24.7 413 5.6 137.7 1 2 27 36.5 21 3 0 6 76.0
24 Carson Palmer CIN QB 79 137 57.7 34.2 845 6.2 211.2 6 5 45 32.8 44 10 1 9 75.2
25 Byron Leftwich TB QB 58 107 54.2 35.7 594 5.6 198.0 4 3 27 25.2 47 7 2 2 71.2
25 Mark Sanchez NYJ QB 63 110 57.3 27.5 744 6.8 186.0 4 5 39 35.5 46 11 3 9 71.2
27 Marc Bulger STL QB 35 68 51.5 22.7 339 5.0 113.0 1 0 17 25.0 45 2 1 5 70.6
28 Kerry Collins TEN QB 87 153 56.9 38.2 914 6.0 228.5 5 6 46 30.1 69T 7 3 5 68.9
29 Matthew Stafford DET QB 79 139 56.8 34.8 894 6.4 223.5 3 6 41 29.5 64 16 2 10 65.5
30 Brady Quinn CLE QB 45 74 60.8 24.7 400 5.4 133.3 1 3 21 28.4 26T 3 0 10 62.9
31 Jake Delhomme CAR QB 54 91 59.3 30.3 601 6.6 200.3 2 7 31 34.1 32 8 0 7 54.3
32 Derek Anderson CLE QB 37 67 55.2 33.5 361 5.4 180.5 1 4 20 29.9 30 5 0 3 50.7
33 JaMarcus Russell OAK QB 43 108 39.8 27.0 506 4.7 126.5 1 4 25 23.1 57T 4 1 8 42.

tsiguy96
10-06-2009, 07:19 AM
i neg repped bf7 simply to add to his ever growing total. bet he has a ton by now.

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 07:20 AM
i really never thought you guys would cry this much after going 4-0. good thing the people who make the decisions that matter disagree with you.

a TRUE FOOTBALL FAN would want the Broncos to get better and be able to analyze their strengths AND WEAKNESSES--that is precisely what I have been doing--but many on this board are far too COMMON to have anything to so with such a discussion.........have another sip of the kool-aid fanboy.........

baja
10-06-2009, 07:20 AM
>b>Oh, sorry. I'm a broncos fan, I mean a "true" bronco fan</b>
Then, Orton is great. Look at his record, look, he has not thrown any INT
The rest is just BS
Please don't believe it was all our defense having anything to do with us being 4-0
It's all Orton. What a stud!
Please. Hand me another sip of that kool-aid! ROFL!

looky looky a true Bronco fan

Can I be one too?

jhat01
10-06-2009, 07:21 AM
We needed to come back to win against teams that scored 7 and 10 points against us--WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?

Usually you have to come back when a team scores before you do. You also play 60 minutes of football, the last 15 being the most important in many minds, including my own. You absolutely can not put it all on orton. What about Moreno getting stuffed on 4th down? The o-line struggling at times with the dallas blitz? Penalties? You are focusing on a couple stats while ignoring the rest. Why is that? Oh wait, I know why.

jhat01
10-06-2009, 07:24 AM
Oh, sorry. I'm a broncos fan, I mean a "true" bronco fan
Then, Orton is great. Look at his record, look, he has not thrown any INT
The rest is just BS
Please don't believe it was all our defense having anything to do with us being 4-0
It's all Orton. What a stud!
Please. Hand me another sip of that kool-aid! ROFL!

You are brilliant. You're late to theparty here. We've all credited the defense..they are #1 in the league dip****, who wouldn't give them credit. WHat's going on here is someone wants to bench a qb that's ranked 9th in the league..apparently you're as dense as he is.

TailgateNut
10-06-2009, 07:25 AM
Usually you have to come back when a team scores before you do. You also play 60 minutes of football, the last 15 being the most important in many minds, including my own. You absolutely can not put it all on orton. What about Moreno getting stuffed on 4th down? The o-line struggling at times with the dallas blitz? Penalties? You are focusing on a couple stats while ignoring the rest. Why is that? Oh wait, I know why.

Arguing with BF is akin to using sign language to communicate with a blind person. It's fruitless.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-06-2009, 07:27 AM
Oh, sorry. I'm a broncos fan, I mean a "true" bronco fan
Then, Orton is great. Look at his record, look, he has not thrown any INT
The rest is just BS
Please don't believe it was all our defense having anything to do with us being 4-0
It's all Orton. What a stud!
Please. Hand me another sip of that kool-aid! ROFL!

Not sure how to hand you a sip. I don't want your nasty-ass lips on my hand. So... there's that.

By not LOSING games for us, he's been WINNING games for us. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

You realize that if Cutler throws two fewer picks in week 1, the Bears win that game going away, right? But no. He tried to force throws and ended up LOSING the game with turnovers.

What's he done since? Why, he's been downright Orton-esque. taking what the defense gives him, not forcing throws, and tossing it away if he has nothing.

But let me guess: Chicago's been winning THOSE games "because" of Cutler. Am I warm?

Idiotic.

jhat01
10-06-2009, 07:29 AM
Arguing with BF is akin to using sign language to communicate with a blind person. It's fruitless.

Yeah, I know but I'm at home with the kids today and can't get in to "Dora saves the mermaids" I talk to two year olds all day when i'm home, i figure I'll argue with one on the internetz.

TailgateNut
10-06-2009, 07:36 AM
Yeah, I know but I'm at home with the kids today and can't get in to "Dora saves the mermaids" I talk to two year olds all day when i'm home, i figure I'll argue with one on the internetz.

You give him way to much credit.

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 07:44 AM
Yeah, I know but I'm at home with the kids today and can't get in to "Dora saves the mermaids" I talk to two year olds all day when i'm home, i figure I'll argue with one on the internetz.

So you lose arguments with your kids TOO? :rofl:

Mr.Meanie
10-06-2009, 07:48 AM
For real, if some of you people are going to be absolutely miserable until we are #1 in the league in every single stat, you should probably stick to madden. That never happens... there's just too much parity and incredible talent in the league for that to happen.

Why some of you guys can't get behind a team with a top 5 defense and top 10 offense is just unbelievable to me. I am curious if you were this critical of the last 10 years too...

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 08:17 AM
For real, if some of you people are going to be absolutely miserable until we are #1 in the league in every single stat, you should probably stick to madden. That never happens... there's just too much parity and incredible talent in the league for that to happen.

Why some of you guys can't get behind a team with a top 5 defense and top 10 offense is just unbelievable to me. I am curious if you were this critical of the last 10 years too...

absolutely--particularly with our inability to slow down the Colts in the playoffs and obviously our dreadful defense the last 2 yrs.............

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-06-2009, 08:21 AM
Not sure how to hand you a sip. I don't want your nasty-ass lips on my hand. So... there's that.

By not LOSING games for us, he's been WINNING games for us. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

You realize that if Cutler throws two fewer picks in week 1, the Bears win that game going away, right? But no. He tried to force throws and ended up LOSING the game with turnovers.

What's he done since? Why, he's been downright Orton-esque. taking what the defense gives him, not forcing throws, and tossing it away if he has nothing.

But let me guess: Chicago's been winning THOSE games "because" of Cutler. Am I warm?

Idiotic.

I find it interesting that BO7 can't seem to find his way to answer ACTUAL queries, and just results to more name calling and creative-if-he's-under-12-or-over-85 insults.

HAT
10-06-2009, 08:40 AM
McDaniels summed up BF7 pretty good in his presser I thought......

"What other people thought of our team, what other people who were less educated than the ones inside the building thought of our team...."

:thumbsup:

TailgateNut
10-06-2009, 08:43 AM
McDaniels summed up BF7 pretty good in his presser I thought......

"What other people thought of our team, what other people who were less educated than the ones inside the building thought of our team...."

:thumbsup:

He did throw a nice left hook at those who doubted this team.


I can't wait for him to quote this: "I AM THE GREATEST".;D

jhat01
10-06-2009, 09:12 AM
Here's the last thing I'm going to offer up to this "super fan" BF07.. If he were in charge, this guy would have been benched:

<TABLE class=datatablecell cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR class=datatabledatahead><TD rowSpan=2>Season</TD><TD rowSpan=2>Team</TD><TD colSpan=2></TD><TD colSpan=10>Passing</TD><TD colSpan=4>Rushing</TD><TD colSpan=2>Fumbles</TD></TR><TR class=datatabledatahead><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>Comp</TD><TD>Att</TD><TD>Pct</TD><TD>Yds</TD><TD>Avg</TD><TD>TD</TD><TD>Int</TD><TD>Sck</TD><TD>SckY</TD><TD>Rate</TD><TD>Att</TD><TD>Yds</TD><TD>Avg</TD><TD>TD</TD><TD>FUM</TD><TD>Lost</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='over'" onmouseout="this.className=''"><TD> </TD><TD></TD><TD>13 </TD><TD>12 </TD><TD>210</TD><TD>356</TD><TD>59.0</TD><TD>2,806</TD><TD>7.9</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>135</TD><TD>93.0</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>94</TD><TD>2.5</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>2</TD></TR><TR class=rowAlt onmouseover="this.className='over'" onmouseout="this.className='rowAlt'"><TD> </TD><TD></TD><TD>16 </TD><TD>16 </TD><TD>280</TD><TD>502</TD><TD>55.8</TD><TD>3,635</TD><TD>7.2</TD><TD>27</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>203</TD><TD>87.5</TD><TD>50</TD><TD>218</TD><TD>4.4</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>8</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

I left out some info, I'll leave it up to him to fill in the blanks. This is not a comparison of qbs per se, it's a highlight to find flaws in this "superfan's" reasoning. There is more to a qb than his completion % yes?

TailgateNut
10-06-2009, 09:18 AM
Here's the last thing I'm going to offer up to this "super fan" BF07.. If he were in charge, this guy would have been benched:

<TABLE class=datatablecell cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR class=datatabledatahead><TD rowSpan=2>Season</TD><TD rowSpan=2>Team</TD><TD colSpan=2></TD><TD colSpan=10>Passing</TD><TD colSpan=4>Rushing</TD><TD colSpan=2>Fumbles</TD></TR><TR class=datatabledatahead><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>Comp</TD><TD>Att</TD><TD>Pct</TD><TD>Yds</TD><TD>Avg</TD><TD>TD</TD><TD>Int</TD><TD>Sck</TD><TD>SckY</TD><TD>Rate</TD><TD>Att</TD><TD>Yds</TD><TD>Avg</TD><TD>TD</TD><TD>FUM</TD><TD>Lost</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='over'" onmouseout="this.className=''"><TD> </TD><TD></TD><TD>13 </TD><TD>12 </TD><TD>210</TD><TD>356</TD><TD>59.0</TD><TD>2,806</TD><TD>7.9</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>135</TD><TD>93.0</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>94</TD><TD>2.5</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>2</TD></TR><TR class=rowAlt onmouseover="this.className='over'" onmouseout="this.className='rowAlt'"><TD> </TD><TD></TD><TD>16 </TD><TD>16 </TD><TD>280</TD><TD>502</TD><TD>55.8</TD><TD>3,635</TD><TD>7.2</TD><TD>27</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>203</TD><TD>87.5</TD><TD>50</TD><TD>218</TD><TD>4.4</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>8</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

I left out some info, I'll leave it up to him to fill in the blanks. This is not a comparison of qbs per se, it's a highlight to find flaws in this "superfan's" reasoning. There is more to a qb than his completion % yes?


Ol #7

55CrushEm
10-06-2009, 09:21 AM
Here's the last thing I'm going to offer up to this "super fan" BF07.. If he were in charge, this guy would have been benched:

<TABLE class=datatablecell cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR class=datatabledatahead><TD rowSpan=2>Season</TD><TD rowSpan=2>Team</TD><TD colSpan=2></TD><TD colSpan=10>Passing</TD><TD colSpan=4>Rushing</TD><TD colSpan=2>Fumbles</TD></TR><TR class=datatabledatahead><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>Comp</TD><TD>Att</TD><TD>Pct</TD><TD>Yds</TD><TD>Avg</TD><TD>TD</TD><TD>Int</TD><TD>Sck</TD><TD>SckY</TD><TD>Rate</TD><TD>Att</TD><TD>Yds</TD><TD>Avg</TD><TD>TD</TD><TD>FUM</TD><TD>Lost</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='over'" onmouseout="this.className=''"><TD> </TD><TD></TD><TD>13 </TD><TD>12 </TD><TD>210</TD><TD>356</TD><TD>59.0</TD><TD>2,806</TD><TD>7.9</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>135</TD><TD>93.0</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>94</TD><TD>2.5</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>2</TD></TR><TR class=rowAlt onmouseover="this.className='over'" onmouseout="this.className='rowAlt'"><TD> </TD><TD></TD><TD>16 </TD><TD>16 </TD><TD>280</TD><TD>502</TD><TD>55.8</TD><TD>3,635</TD><TD>7.2</TD><TD>27</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>203</TD><TD>87.5</TD><TD>50</TD><TD>218</TD><TD>4.4</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>8</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

I left out some info, I'll leave it up to him to fill in the blanks. This is not a comparison of qbs per se, it's a highlight to find flaws in this "superfan's" reasoning. There is more to a qb than his completion % yes?

Yep.....Elway's stat lines for his last 2 years in the league.....oh, and BF7, we won Superbowls those years.....in case you don't remember.

Elway became more of a (dare I say) "game manager" those years....as TD was carrying the rock for the best rushing O in the NFL.....and our defense played very aggressive under Robinson, and caused lots of turnovers......sounds familiar.

Eldorado
10-06-2009, 09:22 AM
Different era. If you want to make a comparison you have to look at the where that completion percentage was relative to his peers.

jhat01
10-06-2009, 09:28 AM
Different era. If you want to make a comparison you have to look at the where that completion percentage was relative to his peers.

Yeah he was 19th in the league in 97 and 11th in 98. Happy?

Eldorado
10-06-2009, 09:29 AM
Yeah he was 19th in the league in 97 and 11th in 98. Happy?

Where is Orton?

Can you do 3rd down?

jhat01
10-06-2009, 09:35 AM
Where is Orton?

Can you do 3rd down?

Orton is 23rd through 4 games. I'll take a look at third downs, but I think I know where you are going. Trent Edwards is ranked 19th in comp% right now with a 76.5 qb rating. So was Elway's stat line good enough for him to start on BF07's team in 97?

Eldorado
10-06-2009, 09:45 AM
Orton is 23rd through 4 games. I'll take a look at third downs, but I think I know where you are going. Trent Edwards is ranked 19th in comp% right now with a 76.5 qb rating. So was Elway's stat line good enough for him to start on BF07's team in 97?

Who ****ing knows. That guy is off his rocker. He does have a point about the lack of scoring, but I have a problem with the crucifiction of Orton for 2 reasons:



1) New system, even with teams well versed in their systems, it is pretty common for the offense to start slow and get better.



2) A dislocation that ruptures the skin is not trivial. For that, I give him bonus points.



As these two points become less of an issue over the course of the next few week, I expect drives to get longer and points to go up. I'll start panicking in week 12.

CEH
10-06-2009, 09:46 AM
The main issue I have with Orton is one that has plagued him his whole career. Accuacy around 20 yards. He had Gaff running free and really should have hit him for a long gain. Orton has to do one thing routinely get the ball to the WRs espically wide open WRs so they and get the YAC. With our running game he needs to hit that pass 10/10 times. If he starts to do that I'll be very happy with him

TailgateNut
10-06-2009, 09:49 AM
hit that pass 10/10 times. If he starts to do that I'll be very happy with him
Don't expect much, do ya?:giggle:

jhat01
10-06-2009, 09:51 AM
The main issue I have with Orton is one that has plagued him his whole career. Accuacy around 20 yards. He had Gaff running free and really should have hit him for a long gain. Orton has to do one thing routinely get the ball to the WRs espically wide open WRs so they and get the YAC. With our running game he needs to hit that pass 10/10 times. If he starts to do that I'll be very happy with him


You're right, he hasn't been great. Do you think he should be benched though? That's the bottom line with this entire argument with bf07.

baja
10-06-2009, 09:53 AM
The main issue I have with Orton is one that has plagued him his whole career. Accuacy around 20 yards. He had Gaff running free and really should have hit him for a long gain. Orton has to do one thing routinely get the ball to the WRs espically wide open WRs so they and get the YAC. With our running game he needs to hit that pass 10/10 times. If he starts to do that I'll be very happy with him

That's fair. keep in mind he is learning the system and the receivers and we all see he is improving (sometimes by a lot) every week throw in the injury and the glove and we should have every reason to expect to see a very different (greatly improved) Orton as the season moves forward.

Paladin
10-06-2009, 09:57 AM
Pass for 20 yards? Isn't he doing that now? Geez. Rewatch the last game. He threw several for more than twenty yards, and on target. The pass to BM was more than twenty yards in the air.....

People are just hating on Orton because they got their maginas hurt with the trade of (bozo quitler).

CEH
10-06-2009, 10:32 AM
That's fair. keep in mind he is learning the system and the receivers and we all see he is improving (sometimes by a lot) every week throw in the injury and the glove and we should have every reason to expect to see a very different (greatly improved) Orton as the season moves forward.

Thank you for reading what I posted and not putting words in my mouth like I want him "benched". One of the first things out of McD's mouth following the game we that missed on that play. I forgot about his finger and have said I'm happy with his production right now but Missing wide open WRs running free down the field ties back to what I've heard about Orton from his time in CHI. Maybe 10/10 is pushing it but I do expect my QB be it Orton, Griese, Elway, Ferotte, Plummer to hit that pass. We can't expect our D to hold every team to 7 ppg so when we have a chance for the big play and fail I'll call out the QB or the RB or the WR especially when we set up everyting for these once or twice a game chances down field.

On a side note it was just an observation I posted about Orton and chose this thread but it was in no way some type of agreement with the OP

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 01:16 PM
Here's the last thing I'm going to offer up to this "super fan" BF07.. If he were in charge, this guy would have been benched:

<TABLE class=datatablecell cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR class=datatabledatahead><TD rowSpan=2>Season</TD><TD rowSpan=2>Team</TD><TD colSpan=2></TD><TD colSpan=10>Passing</TD><TD colSpan=4>Rushing</TD><TD colSpan=2>Fumbles</TD></TR><TR class=datatabledatahead><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>Comp</TD><TD>Att</TD><TD>Pct</TD><TD>Yds</TD><TD>Avg</TD><TD>TD</TD><TD>Int</TD><TD>Sck</TD><TD>SckY</TD><TD>Rate</TD><TD>Att</TD><TD>Yds</TD><TD>Avg</TD><TD>TD</TD><TD>FUM</TD><TD>Lost</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='over'" onmouseout="this.className=''"><TD> </TD><TD></TD><TD>13 </TD><TD>12 </TD><TD>210</TD><TD>356</TD><TD>59.0</TD><TD>2,806</TD><TD>7.9</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>135</TD><TD>93.0</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>94</TD><TD>2.5</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>2</TD></TR><TR class=rowAlt onmouseover="this.className='over'" onmouseout="this.className='rowAlt'"><TD> </TD><TD></TD><TD>16 </TD><TD>16 </TD><TD>280</TD><TD>502</TD><TD>55.8</TD><TD>3,635</TD><TD>7.2</TD><TD>27</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>203</TD><TD>87.5</TD><TD>50</TD><TD>218</TD><TD>4.4</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>8</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

I left out some info, I'll leave it up to him to fill in the blanks. This is not a comparison of qbs per se, it's a highlight to find flaws in this "superfan's" reasoning. There is more to a qb than his completion % yes?

Elway ran a different offense--a west coast offense--not a spread that specializes in short screens to WR's, RB's and TE's--he was asked to hit passes down the field off of play-action with the occasional sprint outs--2005-2007 Brady is a more apt comparison--since McD was his OC during that time and implemented the spread offense.........

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 01:17 PM
Thank you for reading what I posted and not putting words in my mouth like I want him "benched". One of the first things out of McD's mouth following the game we that missed on that play. I forgot about his finger and have said I'm happy with his production right now but Missing wide open WRs running free down the field ties back to what I've heard about Orton from his time in CHI. Maybe 10/10 is pushing it but I do expect my QB be it Orton, Griese, Elway, Ferotte, Plummer to hit that pass. We can't expect our D to hold every team to 7 ppg so when we have a chance for the big play and fail I'll call out the QB or the RB or the WR especially when we set up everyting for these once or twice a game chances down field.

On a side note it was just an observation I posted about Orton and chose this thread but it was in no way some type of agreement with the OP
your panties are showing.........

Eldorado
10-06-2009, 01:20 PM
Elway ran a different offense--a west coast offense--not a spread that specializes in short screens to WR's, RB's and TE's--he was asked to hit passes down the field off of play-action with the occasional sprint outs--2005-2007 Brady is a more apt comparison--since McD was his OC during that time and implemented the spread offense.........

Show me the stretch where Brady was playing with a severely dislocated index finger on his throwing hand, stitches and a glove.

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 01:23 PM
Show me the stretch where Brady was playing with a severely dislocated index finger on his throwing hand, stitches and a glove.

Spare me............Orton is what he is--an imposter starting @ QB.........when our defense fails to hold a team to less than 17--you all are in for a RUDE awakening--just remember BF7 told you so.............(you can just give me REP so no one has to know....) :rofl:

Inkana7
10-06-2009, 01:51 PM
What a douche.

jhat01
10-06-2009, 01:53 PM
Elway ran a different offense--a west coast offense--not a spread that specializes in short screens to WR's, RB's and TE's--he was asked to hit passes down the field off of play-action with the occasional sprint outs--2005-2007 Brady is a more apt comparison--since McD was his OC during that time and implemented the spread offense.........

What kind of offense was Steve Young running in those days? 63, 61 and 68.9 for Brady in the years you point out..Orton is at 59 through four games. So is 61 good enough?

errand
10-06-2009, 01:58 PM
We needed to come back to win against teams that scored 7 and 10 points against us--WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?

You keep saying this **** all the time, however you fail to mention we led the Bengals by 6 points before the D gave up a 91 yard TD drive with the game on the line...and the Cowboys led 10-0 after the first QTR.....Orton threw a TD pass that pulled us within 3 before halftime, and led us to 10 4th qtr points.

And you also seem to forget the failed 4th down rushing attempt that took 3 more points off the board which would have given us that magical 20 points on Dallas you keep crying over.

cutthemdown
10-06-2009, 01:58 PM
Orton will get better. He seems to know the offense really well and the players are playing hard for him.

Broncos need to cut the penalties and I think we get another 7 points a game right there.

errand
10-06-2009, 02:10 PM
Oh, sorry. I'm a broncos fan, I mean a "true" bronco fan
Then, Orton is great. Look at his record, look, he has not thrown any INT
The rest is just BS
Please don't believe it was all our defense having anything to do with us being 4-0
It's all Orton. What a stud!
Please. Hand me another sip of that kool-aid! ROFL!

You're a moron....

Nobody in here is saying Orton won the games by himself, clown. We are however, defending Orton from someone who has a personal vendetta against him because he's not Chris Simms. We bring up his W-L record because guess what....regardless of how the team wins the game it counts as his win or loss as a starting QB.

Elway won 148 games, are gonna tell me he won every single one of them himself? A reasonably sane person wouldn't...but, the bottom line is when he was under center we won 148 games.

Orton has done his job, he's not turned the ball over, he's sacrificed his personal numbers (QB rating, comp. %) for the team by throwing the ball away instead of forcing it between two or three defenders. That's all anyone that has been defending him has been saying.

The other point you and your butt buddy broncofag7 seem to forget is this -

WE DON'T CARE HOW WE'RE WINNING, AS LONG AS WE'RE WINNING.

Trust me, if we were 0-4 and Orton played like he did in opening preseason game, you idiots would have alot more people on your side. too bad for you, and good for the Broncos, he's not.

Williams
10-06-2009, 02:18 PM
Dal @ Den Halftime:

10-0 Dallas--- now is your chance Orton...to win over the skeptics like ME---GAME ON.

6 October, two days after Orton's comeback win:

Spare me............Orton is what he is--an imposter starting @ QB

:kiddingme

ChSuperStar
10-06-2009, 02:24 PM
Dal @ Den Halftime:



6 October, two days after Orton's comeback win:



:kiddingme

willams i feel bad if that broncofan7 has a family, they can never win a argument with this guy.. wow, if he really has a wife.. oh my oh my, that girl either took a divorce long ago or she must be deaf and dumb

errand
10-06-2009, 02:28 PM
a TRUE FOOTBALL FAN would want the Broncos to get better and be able to analyze their strengths AND WEAKNESSES--that is precisely what I have been doing--but many on this board are far too COMMON to have anything to so with such a discussion.........have another sip of the kool-aid fanboy.........

You haven't analyzed one strength yet....I challenge you to show us any posts where you pointed out Orton's strengths. I'm sure if you have they are as rare as a bigfoot sighting.

You tout the defense as the sole reason we're 4-0....how many points has out D scored? You also seem to forget (probably intentionally) they are the reason the Bengals were leading 7-6 with 2 minutes to go in the opening game. Orton didn't give up a late TD. He did however hand them a 6 point lead late in the 4th qtr.

And who gave up 10 points to Dallas in the first QTR? And this may suprise you I'm sure...but there were alot of people (some were even considered "experts") outside of Denver who claimed the only reason our D was playing well was because we hadn't played anyone worthy of note.

You refuse to admit that this team is built to win games, not put up flashing stats. It's basic fundamentally sound football....old school if you will.

[] Run the ball

[] throw because you want to, not because you have to.

[] Do not force somethig that isn't there

[] Limit your mistakes, reduce offensive turnovers

[] pressure the opposing QB

[] create turnovers

[] limit opposing team's number of big plays

I'm willing to bet EVERY freaking coach that has ever coached has said these very words before every season, or game.

errand
10-06-2009, 02:30 PM
looky looky a true Bronco fan

Can I be one too?

Sure, all you have to do is piss and moan about how the team is winning.

Br0nc0Buster
10-06-2009, 03:44 PM
this guy talks more **** about our team than division rivals

TailgateNut
10-07-2009, 06:52 AM
this guy talks more **** about our team than division rivals

At least they are just talking ****. B****7 actually believes his drivel, and then wants others to believe he's a BroncoFan.

He's the IMPOSTOR!

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-07-2009, 07:02 AM
I noticed ESPN posted the AFC LEADERS (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=4535848) stats yesterday!

As a QB, Orton leads the AFC in 4th quarter passing stats and 3rd down passer rating. I know they are skewed because it's only week 4, but they were the ONLY two QB stats listed.:~ohyah!:

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FOURTH QUARTER PASSING LEADERS

NAME ATT COM C% YDS YPA TD TD% LG INT IN% RAT
Orton, DEN 23 17 73.9 362 15.74 2 8.7 87t 0 0.0 144.7
P. Manning, IND 26 19 73.1 263 10.12 1 3.8 49 0 0.0 117.9
Croyle, KAN 14 8 57.1 127 9.07 1 7.1 50 0 0.0 111.3
Flacco, BAL 36 23 63.9 333 9.25 3 8.3 72t 1 2.8 110.1
P. Rivers, SND 43 27 62.8 426 9.91 3 7.0 55 1 2.3 109.3
Brady, NWE 50 31 62.0 322 6.44 3 6.0 36t 0 0.0 100.6


THIRD DOWN PASSING LEADERS

NAME ATT COM C% YDS YPA TD TD% LG INT IN% RAT
Orton, DEN 35 21 60.0 255 7.29 2 5.7 37 0 0.0 101.5
Flacco, BAL 42 28 66.7 312 7.43 4 9.5 31t 2 4.8 100.5
Schaub, HOU 34 20 58.8 211 6.21 3 8.8 22 1 2.9 94.1
Pennington, MIA 23 16 69.6 177 7.70 0 0.0 21 0 0.0 92.1
Brady, NWE 41 23 56.1 236 5.76 2 4.9 36t 0 0.0 89.1
P. Manning, IND 34 26 76.5 267 7.85 0 0.0 39 1 2.9 86.3

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I'm SURE Manning would have better stats if he didn't already have his games wrapped up by the 3rd quarter! ;)

strafen
10-07-2009, 07:20 AM
You're a moron....

Nobody in here is saying Orton won the games by himself, clown. We are however, defending Orton from someone who has a personal vendetta against him because he's not Chris Simms. We bring up his W-L record because guess what....regardless of how the team wins the game it counts as his win or loss as a starting QB.

Elway won 148 games, are gonna tell me he won every single one of them himself? A reasonably sane person wouldn't...but, the bottom line is when he was under center we won 148 games.

Orton has done his job, he's not turned the ball over, he's sacrificed his personal numbers (QB rating, comp. %) for the team by throwing the ball away instead of forcing it between two or three defenders. That's all anyone that has been defending him has been saying.

The other point you and your butt buddy broncofag7 seem to forget is this -

WE DON'T CARE HOW WE'RE WINNING, AS LONG AS WE'RE WINNING.

Trust me, if we were 0-4 and Orton played like he did in opening preseason game, you idiots would have alot more people on your side. too bad for you, and good for the Broncos, he's not.

Why are you so sensitive about Orton. Are you gay?
What's wrong with you freakin' idiot?!
Don't even mention Orton in the same sentence with Elway
My personal vendeta is that Orton sucks
I've seen him play. He's terrible. You saw him last week against Dallas. He's a bum!
What is it that you saw in Orton last week, or all this season that makes you wet?

We're allowing 6.5 points a game, and still have to win games in the 4th quarter? WTF?



Orton has done his job, he's not turned the ball over, he's sacrificed his personal numbers (QB rating, comp. %) for the team by throwing the ball away instead of forcing it between two or three defenders. That's all anyone that has been defending him has been saying.
Oh please!
A friend of mine was at the game, and a lot of people who went to the game also confirmed this by calling radio sport shows:
Orton was throwing the ball away when in more than one occasion he had Gaffney wide open downfield
He throws the ball away because he can't hit the WIDE open receiver downfield
He has not sacrificed jack, pal. He's been managed under a short leashed by McDaniels so that the idiot won't lose the game for us. He's as retarded a QB as there is...



Let me paste a good reality on Orton by a fellow poster from another site. I couldn't have said better myself..

Orton has been the beneficiary of some pretty good luck so far this year as well, both touchdowns he threw for the Cowboys could have eaisly been picked, the one to Moreno could have been a pick six, I believe it was a defensive end that flat out missed the ball, and the TD pass to Marshall, well lets be real, that was ALL Brandon, he snatched that ball off the top of Newman's helmet and made the rest of it happen on his own. Lets not forget the 87 yd TD pass to Stokely that nicely pads Ortons stats. Orton is winning football games, but honestly how much of that is because of a Defense that has given up 26 points in 4 games, a great Offensive line and 2 running backs that are not only hitting the holes hard but picking up tough extra yards after first contact?

IMO Kyle needs to work on being not only more accurate, but more willing to hurt defenses by connecting deep down the field with the multiple deep threats that we have in our recieving core. This will make the better defenses that we are about to play do a little less press coverage which in turn will open up the running game even more for Moreno/Buck (when he gets healthy) and Hillis/Jordan.

jhat01
10-07-2009, 07:54 AM
Every single qb in the league throws passes that can go either way. What about every ball Fitz and Moss go up to get? I don't think we would have thought at this point that Orton would be playing as well as he has been. Calling him a "bum" just shows your ignorance. There hasn't been one person on this thread that has said Orton can't improve. We all know that he needs to hit his receivers when they are running free across the field. You show me ONE SINGLE football person that thinks Simms should be starting right now. You and your butt buddy are all alone on this one. The call to bench Orton at this time is the MOST RIDICULOUS THING IVE EVER READ by someone that claims to know football. What a twisted mind you two have...Embarrassing really.

Cleo McDowell
10-07-2009, 08:19 AM
dragster69
Solid Starter

New to the Forum

Join Date: Jan 2009
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Adopt-a-Bronco:
Ted Gregory



This site ruled before Jan 2009. Now, not so much.

BroncoInSkinland
10-07-2009, 08:23 AM
dragster69
Solid Starter

New to the Forum

Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 218

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Ted Gregory



This site ruled before Jan 2009. Now, not so much.

Flavor clown who will go the way of Casino Royal. I've been avoiding him and Broncofan7 as internet retardation appears to be contagious these days. I bet they are intellegent, wonderful people in person...here not so much.

Cleo McDowell
10-07-2009, 08:28 AM
Flavor clown who will go the way of Casino Royal. I've been avoiding him and Broncofan7 as internet retardation appears to be contagious these days. I bet they are intellegent, wonderful people in person...here not so much.

hahah id put my mortgage up against you in that bet.. I used to find Broncofan7's idiocy to be quite funny..now not so much.

Popps
10-07-2009, 09:29 AM
your panties are showing.........

Poor guy. Angry, huh.

I guess that's what can happen when you go around running your mouth and bashing the team 24/7. Sometimes that **** blows up in your face.

Sorry this thread worked out so poorly for you. Maybe start a new user name and try again? What about "ChargerFan7?"

BroncoInSkinland
10-07-2009, 09:39 AM
Well, it is pretty obvious to me at this point, from the OP directly, that BF7 never intended to give Orton a chance, and figured he smelled blood in the water during the Dallas game. He was simply laying in wait, hoping for the Broncos to fail so that he could be "right". When proved wrong, he slowly twisted the thread to be about Orton scoring enough points to put up fantasy numbers, instead of putting up enough points to win games. I still say you are wrong Popps in thinking that some of the people here are not Broncos fans, they all are, but it looks like I do have to eat crow on something fan related. It appears there really are people out there who want the Broncos to fail so they can be right. I never thought Broncos fans could be so small minded, I was wrong on this issue and you were right. eating my crow here, although I am not enjoying this one nearly as much as the others, fans rooting for the failure of thier team within our ranks sticks in my craw.

Arkie
10-07-2009, 09:48 AM
The only stat that matters to Orton is 25-12.

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-07-2009, 09:51 AM
... I still say you are wrong Popps in thinking that some of the people here are not Broncos fans, they all are, but it looks like I do have to eat crow on something fan related. It appears there really are people out there who want the Broncos to fail so they can be right. I never thought Broncos fans could be so small minded, I was wrong on this issue and you were right. eating my crow here, although I am not enjoying this one nearly as much as the others, fans rooting for the failure of thier team within our ranks sticks in my craw.
IMO, it's all good as long as you ADMIT that you are eating some crow!

IF we win this weekend, and honestly it's an "IF", I'm going back through my previous posts, there are some AWESOME threads on this site which are full of great posts about the direction of this team!!
The April to July period was, IMO, the best! ;)

Mr. Elway
10-07-2009, 09:52 AM
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BroncoInSkinland
10-07-2009, 10:05 AM
IMO, it's all good as long as you ADMIT that you are eating some crow!

IF we win this weekend, and honestly it's an "IF", I'm going back through my previous posts, there are some AWESOME threads on this site which are full of great posts about the direction of this team!!
The April to July period was, IMO, the best! ;)

Yeah, but on this one I argued with Popps that no fans were hoping for the failure of the team, they were just calling things as they saw them. I didn't think any fans would actually go so far as to hope the Broncos would lose a game in order to be on the "right" side of the argument. Fans like Dragster and Broncofan7 are proving me wrong on that one, which sucks, because it changes my overall view of the Denver fan base. I always thought Denver had the most rabid, loyal, informed fanbase on the face of the planet, and while I am not going to doubt every fan as a result of this, I now know we have some true POS's in our ranks. I would have preferred to have been wrong about every single thing I said would happen this off season if it meant a winning football team, it irks me that these guys don't feel the same.

broncofan7
10-07-2009, 11:29 AM
10 points--we SHOULD WIN A GAME WHEN OUR DEFENSE GIVES UP ONLY 10 points---Rooting for failure? I would have expected PATRICK RAMSEY TO WIN SUNDAYS GAME. OUR QB IS FAILING--failing to live up to the standards that were set last year on offense ---19 pts per game---our 3rd down conversion rate is subpar and yet we are still winning--why is that? THE DEFENSE. we have a backup QB masquerading as a starter--only those who are willing to look at the details are capable of seeing this--rooting for failure? HARDLY--open your eyes

Dedhed
10-07-2009, 11:35 AM
10 points--we SHOULD WIN A GAME WHEN OUR DEFENSE GIVES UP ONLY 10 points

Um, we did win. Moron.

broncofan7
10-07-2009, 11:49 AM
Poor guy. Angry, huh.

I guess that's what can happen when you go around running your mouth and bashing the team 24/7. Sometimes that **** blows up in your face.

Sorry this thread worked out so poorly for you. Maybe start a new user name and try again? What about "ChargerFan7?"

It is obvious that you have some congitive handicap....


Show me your post where you precited that we'd have the #1 scoring defense in football, giving up only 7pts/gm?

Where is your off-season post that predicted that we would hold Cincy to 7 and Dallas to 10?

If you would have told ANY OF THE MCD/Cutler situation detractors that our defense would be giving up only a TD/game--we would have predicted that we could have won those games WITH PATRICK RAMSEY AT QB


now BACK TO THE SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD--not the BRONCOS--BUT OUR QB

He has been wildly inefficient on 3rd downs--our % has dropped by ELEVEN PERCENT from the 2008 season--our PASSING YARDAGE has gone down by (279-217) 62 yards PER GAME--while at the same time improving our recieving depth at the #4 and #5 positions..........Funny how you come in to take a personal swipe--yet you add NOTHING to this discussion of why you think Orton is the answer--and why is that--because the OFFENSIVE PASSING GAME STATS SHOW THAT HE CLEARLY IS NOT A THREAT TO OTHER TEAMS AND IS A DETRIMENT TO OUR CHAMPIONSHIP ASPIRATIONS

broncofan7
10-07-2009, 11:52 AM
Um, we did win. Moron.

MORON--Patrick Ramsey could have won the Dallas Game--and he would have brought more punch to our passing game too......

jhat01
10-07-2009, 11:53 AM
MORON--Patrick Ramsey could have won the Dallas Game--and he would have brought more punch to our passing game too......

Yeah, the guy that's on the street now who was cut by a winless team. Shut the **** up.

cutthemdown
10-07-2009, 11:54 AM
Being down 60 yrds a game nothing considering we are throwing less interceptions. I'd say an interception worth at least 50 yrds wouldn't you?

Cutler tries to squeeze every yrd out of every game, in doing so he avg about a pick a week or more. Orton holds those balls back and tries to let defense make some plays.

Funny you can't see that.

Also by end of yr Orton will be smoking the ball around the field, you will see.

cutthemdown
10-07-2009, 11:55 AM
MORON--Patrick Ramsey could have won the Dallas Game--and he would have brought more punch to our passing game too......

you must have forgotten what Ramsey looks like playing QB.

broncofan7
10-07-2009, 11:55 AM
Yeah, the guy that's on the street now who was cut by a winless team. Shut the **** up.

7 and 10 points---Dare I say Darrell Hackney?

broncofan7
10-07-2009, 11:56 AM
Being down 60 yrds a game nothing considering we are throwing less interceptions. I'd say an interception worth at least 50 yrds wouldn't you?

Cutler tries to squeeze every yrd out of every game, in doing so he avg about a pick a week or more. Orton holds those balls back and tries to let defense make some plays.

Funny you can't see that.

Also by end of yr Orton will be smoking the ball around the field, you will see.

HA! I hope you're right!

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-07-2009, 12:23 PM
now BACK TO THE SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD--not the BRONCOS--BUT OUR QB
He's 4-0.
'nuff said.:thumbsup:

broncofan7
10-07-2009, 12:25 PM
He's 4-0.
'nuff said.:thumbsup:

And so could a number of QB's when their defense gives up 7pts/game--our offense is NOT ALL THAT IMPRESSIVE. Take off your orange colored glasses.......

TailgateNut
10-07-2009, 12:25 PM
He's 4-0.
'nuff said.:thumbsup:

You're just giving him fodder to repeat the same ol' drivel over and over and over.

His family has to be bald from pulling their own hair out at family gatherings.

broncofan7
10-07-2009, 12:29 PM
You're just giving him fodder to repeat the same ol' drivel over and over and over.

His family has to be bald from pulling their own hair out at family gatherings.

When I'm right, I'm right...3rd down coversion rate DOWN, Pts/game DOWN--yet we continue to win--WHY? THE DEFENSE--7pts/game will not last for long..............

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-07-2009, 12:31 PM
Take off your orange colored glasses.......
Took them off, ...
I still see 4-0. ROFL!

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-07-2009, 12:35 PM
3rd down coversion rate DOWN
Orton leads the AFC in 3rd Down Passing.
And he's 4-0.:wave:

broncofan7
10-07-2009, 12:39 PM
Orton leads the AFC in 3rd Down Passing.
And he's 4-0.:wave:

Oh--you mean he can complete a SCREEN PASS? :rofl:

That's funny--considering our 3rd down conversion rate in the AFC RANKS 10TH-TENTH.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STAT S&archive=false&seasonType=REG&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-o=2&conference=0011&d-447263-s=DOWN_3RD_PERCENTAGE&d-447263-n=1&season=2009&qualified=true&Submit=Go&tabSeq=2&role=TM&d-447263-p=1

18 CONVERSIONS IN 49 ATTEMPTS......

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-07-2009, 12:42 PM
Take what you can get.
And if you get 4-0 ... TAKE 4-0. ;)

broncofan7
10-07-2009, 12:45 PM
take what you can get.
And if you get 4-0 ... Take 4-0. ;)

obviously we are all happy with 4-0----but we have had two close calls already when our team gave up only 7 & 10 points--our offensive cupboard is far from bare..........it's the qb.

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-07-2009, 12:49 PM
it's the qb.
It's the QB, leading us to 4-0!:giggle:

broncofan7
10-07-2009, 12:58 PM
It's the QB, leading us to 4-0!:giggle:

AND 95% OF THIS THREAD EXPLAINS TO YOU WHY IT IS not the QB.........

TailgateNut
10-07-2009, 12:59 PM
I see you have your "puppet" on a string.

broncofan7
10-07-2009, 01:01 PM
I see you have your "puppet" on a string.

?

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-07-2009, 01:04 PM
...95%...
you know that 100% after game 4 means - WE'RE 4-0!:strong:

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-07-2009, 01:06 PM
?
"?" why for you questioning our 4-0??ROFL!

McDman
10-07-2009, 01:15 PM
While I think BF7 is a complete moron most of the time, I agree that our offense has a lot to do if we want to be an elite team.

19 ppg isn't going to cut it. Hopefully we'll be turning it around soon enough.

dbroncos31
10-07-2009, 01:20 PM
So basically for everyone to be happy we need to have the 2000 Ravens' defense and the 2007 Patriots' offense...

McDman
10-07-2009, 01:22 PM
So basically for everyone to be happy we need to have the 2000 Ravens' defense and the 2007 Patriots' offense...

No, but we need to be in the top 15 in scoring for us to go deep in the playoffs. I mean we can't honestly think our D is going to play lights out every game.

jhat01
10-07-2009, 01:23 PM
While I think BF7 is a complete moron most of the time, I agree that our offense has a lot to do if we want to be an elite team.

19 ppg isn't going to cut it. Hopefully we'll be turning it around soon enough.

Of course it does. We all know that we need some improvement on offense, I would be worried if I thought we'd peaked. The premise of this thread is that he doesn't think Orton should be playing qb right now based on his performance so far, WHICH IS COMPLETELY BAT**** CRAZY

broncofan7
10-07-2009, 01:24 PM
While I think BF7 is a complete moron most of the time, I agree that our offense has a lot to do if we want to be an elite team.

19 ppg isn't going to cut it. Hopefully we'll be turning it around soon enough.

"He's a moron--but I agree with him." :rofl:

What do you disagree with me about? That's it's mostly the QB causing our regression?

Broncojef
10-07-2009, 01:26 PM
obviously we are all happy with 4-0----but we have had two close calls already when our team gave up only 7 & 10 points--our offensive cupboard is far from bare..........it's the qb.

You called out our QB when we were down 10-0 and acted the fool, once we came back with that same QB you now say anyone could have done it. Sorry you still have egg on your face. The guy lead our team back to a victory, we get it... you hate him, so sorry he won the game for us this last week.

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-07-2009, 01:27 PM
... it's mostly the QB causing our regression?
Regression to 4-0??

jhat01
10-07-2009, 01:27 PM
No, but we need to be in the top 15 in scoring for us to go deep in the playoffs. I mean we can't honestly think our D is going to play lights out every game.

So far we are 19th...a total of 6 points from your mark of 15th. 10th in the AFC.

broncofan7
10-07-2009, 01:29 PM
You called out our QB when we were down 10-0 and acted the fool, once we came back with that same QB you now say anyone could have done it. Sorry you still have egg on your face. The guy lead our team back to a victory, we get it... you hate him, so sorry he won the game for us this last week.

Dallas scored TEN POINTS IN THE ENTIRE GAME AND WAS ON PACE TO SCORE FORTY (FOUR-ZERO)--our defense bowed up and held them to 10-it took orton until WELL INTO THE 4TH QTR to tie the game @ 10 and even then he had to have the ball at the DAL 11 yard line to lead us into the ENDZONE (2nd qtr)to make it 10-10-if you would have told me that Dallas would score only 10 points and asked me for a prediction--I would have said that we win by 14...........their secondary is TERRIBLE. too bad we didn't have a QB who could regularly exploit that..........

Crushisback
10-07-2009, 01:33 PM
LOOK AT THE OPENING LINE OF THIS THREAD



The premise of this thread is a VERY VERY openminded one--a chance to win over skeptics like me--for 3.5 qtrs--he didn't do it--then he came through on that last drive--he played great in the 4th.......No where in my ORIGINAL post did I say he WOULD NOT DO IT--just that I was SKEPTICAL. I wrote that this is HIS CHANCE 'TO WIN OVER SKEPTICS LIKE ME'--and he did. It's funny all of the 'told ya' so' posters who came into this thread when in the ORIGINAL POST it was never stated that he WOULD NOT--just that this was his CHANCE--and he came through like a champion...........but continue high fiving each other and cupping each other's balls while believing in a premise THAT NEVER EXISTED WHEN THIS THREAD WAS STARTED........:clown:

You are quite possibly the most idiotic poster this board has ever seen. Bob is a better poster than you.

broncofan7
10-07-2009, 01:34 PM
Regression to 4-0??

you miss the entire premise of this thread--our OFFENSE IS NOT a 4-0 offense---Last year's offense was BETTER and we were 3-1 ......the same parts are back--bolstered by BETTER runningbacks, more depth @ WR and a pass friendly offensive scheme that EVEN MATT CASSEL excelled in (who hadn't started since HIGH SCHOOL!--Orton has been playing in the NFL off and on for 4 years)--the difference-- a backup quarterback masquerading as a starter........

McDman
10-07-2009, 01:36 PM
"He's a moron--but I agree with him." :rofl:

What do you disagree with me about? That's it's mostly the QB causing our regression?

What makes you a moron is not your opinion, everyone is entitled to their own, it's the way you act and go about voicing it. It reminds me of a ten year old child getting upset because someone doesn't agree with them.

For future reference, TYPING IN CAPS DOES NOT REINFORCE YOUR ARGUMENT IN ANY WAY, STOP DOING IT.

broncofan7
10-07-2009, 01:38 PM
What makes you a moron is not your opinion, everyone is entitled to their own, it's the way you act and go about voicing it. It reminds me of a ten year old child getting upset because someone doesn't agree with them.

For future reference, TYPING IN CAPS DOES NOT REINFORCE YOUR ARGUMENT IN ANY WAY, STOP DOING IT.

Aghh--rationalizations like posting statistics to back up one's premise that this offense is pedestrian is moronic?--ON THIS BOARD, APPARENTLY IT IS.

Crushisback
10-07-2009, 01:40 PM
Aghh--rationalizations like posting statistics to back up one's premise that this offense is pedestrian is moronic?--ON THIS BOARD, APPARENTLY IT IS.

Couldn't agree more. Come on dude let's go to another board.....come on follow me.

dbroncos31
10-07-2009, 01:41 PM
In 5 of Cassel's first 7 starts he had a rating below 78.

But hey, don't give Orton any time to get used to the new system. Let's put in a different QB who has the exact same amount of time in the system as Orton. I'm sure Simms/Brandstater won't have any growing pains.

The offense will get better. Stop freaking out.

Broncosfreak_56
10-07-2009, 01:45 PM
you miss the entire premise of this thread--our OFFENSE IS NOT a 4-0 offense---Last year's offense was BETTER and we were 3-1 ......the same parts are back--bolstered by BETTER runningbacks, more depth @ WR and a pass friendly offensive scheme that EVEN MATT CASSEL excelled in (who hadn't started since HIGH SCHOOL!--Orton has been playing in the NFL off and on for 4 years)--the difference-- a backup quarterback masquerading as a starter........

We are a 4-0 defense, and our offense complements that. Our offense will only improve. Enjoy our season, stop bitching about things. I think McDaniels and co have earned some time to sort out issues on offense. If anything, its a good sign that our defense is good enough to win us games even with out offense struggling.

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-07-2009, 01:46 PM
... our OFFENSE IS NOT a 4-0 offense ...
NFL.com Must be wrong, I was just there.
They say we are 4-0! wtf?

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-07-2009, 01:48 PM
Maybe our offense is only 2 and 2.
While our defense is 6 and -2.
That would average us out to 4-0!

Broncojef
10-07-2009, 01:50 PM
Dallas scored TEN POINTS IN THE ENTIRE GAME AND WAS ON PACE TO SCORE FORTY (FOUR-ZERO)--our defense bowed up and held them to 10-it took orton until WELL INTO THE 4TH QTR to tie the game @ 10 and even then he had to have the ball at the DAL 11 yard line to lead us into the ENDZONE (2nd qtr)to make it 10-10-if you would have told me that Dallas would score only 10 points and asked me for a prediction--I would have said that we win by 14...........their secondary is TERRIBLE. too bad we didn't have a QB who could regularly exploit that..........

I've personally had enough of the lets get a flashy QB and try to outgun the other team philosophy. Quite refreshing to have a solid offense looking better every week and a defense that brings it every week. You are pining for the Cutler show and all the flaws we had to endure the last two years....why I'll never know.

jhat01
10-07-2009, 01:53 PM
Aghh--rationalizations like posting statistics to back up one's premise that this offense is pedestrian is moronic?--ON THIS BOARD, APPARENTLY IT IS.

And totally ignoring stats brought up to make your argument dull and off base. We were 16th in ppg last year after 16 games moron. We're 19th this year after 4 games. about 3 ppg different. Stop trying to hide behind stats, when you're really arguing that even now Orton should be on the bench watching Simms play.

Popps
10-07-2009, 01:56 PM
It is obvious that you have some congitive handicap....


Show me your post where you precited that we'd have the #1 scoring defense in football, giving up only 7pts/gm?

Where is your off-season post that predicted that we would hold Cincy to 7 and Dallas to 10?

If you would have told ANY OF THE MCD/Cutler situation detractors that our defense would be giving up only a TD/game--we would have predicted that we could have won those games WITH PATRICK RAMSEY AT QB


now BACK TO THE SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD--not the BRONCOS--BUT OUR QB

He has been wildly inefficient on 3rd downs--our % has dropped by ELEVEN PERCENT from the 2008 season--our PASSING YARDAGE has gone down by (279-217) 62 yards PER GAME--while at the same time improving our recieving depth at the #4 and #5 positions..........Funny how you come in to take a personal swipe--yet you add NOTHING to this discussion of why you think Orton is the answer--and why is that--because the OFFENSIVE PASSING GAME STATS SHOW THAT HE CLEARLY IS NOT A THREAT TO OTHER TEAMS AND IS A DETRIMENT TO OUR CHAMPIONSHIP ASPIRATIONS


Poor guy.


Look at all of that rage and anger.


We're all wrong sometimes, buddy. Take it in stride.

Hey, maybe we'll lose next week and you can have an "I told you so" party!

Cross your fingers, sport.

Popps
10-07-2009, 01:57 PM
By the way, guys... Bronco"fan"7 needs attention.

Please pay attention to him.

Are you paying attention?

See him?

gyldenlove
10-07-2009, 01:57 PM
17 pages? really? come on now folks at least some of you must have something better to do.

CEH
10-07-2009, 02:00 PM
you miss the entire premise of this thread--our OFFENSE IS NOT a 4-0 offense---Last year's offense was BETTER and we were 3-1 ......the same parts are back--bolstered by BETTER runningbacks, more depth @ WR and a pass friendly offensive scheme that EVEN MATT CASSEL excelled in (who hadn't started since HIGH SCHOOL!--Orton has been playing in the NFL off and on for 4 years)--the difference-- a backup quarterback masquerading as a starter........

After week 4 what did the '08 Denver offense average per game for the final 12 games?

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-07-2009, 02:00 PM
17 pages? really? come on now folks at least some of you must have something better to do.
OK, I'm sorry, I'll stop now.

I thought my arguments were good though!!:rofl:

Maybe our offense is only 2 and 2.
While our defense is 6 and -2.
That would average us out to 4-0!

broncofan7
10-07-2009, 02:33 PM
In 5 of Cassel's first 7 starts he had a rating below 78.

But hey, don't give Orton any time to get used to the new system. Let's put in a different QB who has the exact same amount of time in the system as Orton. I'm sure Simms/Brandstater won't have any growing pains.

The offense will get better. Stop freaking out.

Cassel had not been A starting QB since HIGH SCHOOL

broncofan7
10-07-2009, 02:38 PM
Poor guy.


Look at all of that rage and anger.


We're all wrong sometimes, buddy. Take it in stride.

Hey, maybe we'll lose next week and you can have an "I told you so" party!

Cross your fingers, sport.

If we lose 31-28 I'll say our defense BLEW it--if we lose 10-7 or 17-13--you are DAMN right I am going to blame Orton and his anemic QB play.....but you are SO BIASED in your anti-Cutler stance--that you are unwilling to admit to our offense's regression.........you are an illogical fanboy- have another drink........

broncofan7
10-07-2009, 02:40 PM
After week 4 what did the '08 Denver offense average per game for the final 12 games?

Our offense had the BURDEN of carrying a 28/pt per game defense...put that offense with this year's defense and we don't almost lose two games where we gave up only 7 & 10 points........

broncofan7
10-07-2009, 02:43 PM
By the way, guys... Bronco"fan"7 needs attention.

Please pay attention to him.

Are you paying attention?

See him?

Hey-Poops--you have nothing of substance to add to the discussion about why our offense is failing on 3rd down --why Orton's completion % is so low in a screen heavy offense or why we almost lost 2 games where our defense allowed just 7 & 10 points--why is that? Because obviously you are cognitively handicapped.........go sit next to the casual housewives who share your same level of football acumen.........

Lev Vyvanse
10-07-2009, 04:17 PM
Hey-Poops--you have nothing of substance to add to the discussion about why our offense is failing on 3rd down --why Orton's completion % is so low in a screen heavy offense or why we almost lost 2 games where our defense allowed just 7 & 10 points--why is that? Because obviously you are cognitively handicapped.........go sit next to the casual housewives who share your same level of football acumen.........<object width="2" height="2"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Qi6vWpc3Hs0&hl=en&fs=1&autoplay=1&loop=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Qi6vWpc3Hs0&hl=en&fs=1&autoplay=1&loop=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="2" height="2"></embed></object>

It seems like the number of screens has gone down as the weeks progress. No?

CEH
10-07-2009, 04:23 PM
Our offense had the BURDEN of carrying a 28/pt per game defense...put that offense with this year's defense and we don't almost lose two games where we gave up only 7 & 10 points........

Aghh--rationalizations like posting statistics to back up one's premise that this offense is pedestrian is moronic?--ON THIS BOARD, APPARENTLY IT IS.


Still didn't answer my question.
You say 19 ppg is pedestrian for an offense and I asked you to give the ppg for the '08 Denver offense over the last 12 games

Drek
10-07-2009, 04:48 PM
Our offense had the BURDEN of carrying a 28/pt per game defense...put that offense with this year's defense and we don't almost lose two games where we gave up only 7 & 10 points........

Our offense only got above average point production (21+ per game) in two of our six losses. We did win one game in which they failed to hit that mark as well.

For all the hate people give the '08 Broncos D you'd think at least a little would trickle down to the offense that tucked their tail between their legs and whimpered off the field in most red zone situations and THREE home losses in which they failed to break 20 points scored.

Cassel had not been A starting QB since HIGH SCHOOL

Because he went to USC and played behind two Heisman trophy winning QBs.

He also spent three years in NE under McDaniels before asked to start. Orton hasn't even had a full off-season in McDaniels' system and you're expecting him to be up to speed already.

And FYI, 97.7 QB rating isn't what I'd call "anemic QB play".

HAT
10-07-2009, 04:56 PM
--why Orton's completion % is so low in a screen heavy offense .

I've already explained this to you in another thread one of your ridiculous threads....

Dude...We get it. Your man crush on Cutler remains and you are taking it out on Orton. Fine.

The people that are arguing with you aren't saying there isn't room for improvement in the offense. Without a doubt, there is.

But you are so hung up on it being entirely Orton's fault that you can't see the forest through the trees.

Some of it is penalties, some of it is play calling, some of it is Orton's injury/glove. Relax and see how it unfolds over the next few weeks as the offense continues to gel.

I'm not sure if it was in this thread or not but I've seen you b**** plenty about Orton's accuracy vs. your hero's....

Denver is averaging about 29 pass attempts per game. 17/29 is 58.6% (about where Orton is at). 18/29 is 62% (roughly Cutlers career %). 19/29 is 65.5%


If KO is throwing 1-2 balls away per game and not trying to force the issue and continues to put up a goose egg in the INT column...You aren't okay with that?

And don't give me that crap about how he's only at 59% because he's dinking and dunking....His Y/A is higher than Cutler's. In fact here's a list of the only QB's that have a higher Y/A than Orton so far this year. (I know, I know....You will blame the Stokely play and BMarsh's YAC yesterday as inflating this. I've got news for you....every QB gets that benefit at some point or another)

P Manning
Big Ben
E Manning
Rivers
Schaub
Brees
Rodgers
Campbell (Go figure?)

That's it.

I have a feeling you are going to regret this recent diatribe big time once the glove comes off and McD opens up the playbook.

CEH
10-07-2009, 05:30 PM
The main issue I have with Orton is one that has plagued him his whole career. Accuacy around 20 yards. He had Gaff running free and really should have hit him for a long gain. Orton has to do one thing routinely get the ball to the WRs espically wide open WRs so they and get the YAC. With our running game he needs to hit that pass 10/10 times. If he starts to do that I'll be very happy with him

Anyone see McD scream at Orton telling him to "just make the play and stop saying my bad" . My whole point and Josh agrees

2:25 mark

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-sound-efx/09000d5d8133b2d8/Sound-FX-McDaniels-wired

Crushisback
10-07-2009, 05:36 PM
Hey-Poops--you have nothing of substance to add to the discussion about why our offense is failing on 3rd down --why Orton's completion % is so low in a screen heavy offense or why we almost lost 2 games where our defense allowed just 7 & 10 points--why is that? Because obviously you are cognitively handicapped.........go sit next to the casual housewives who share your same level of football acumen.........

Troll. Go back to your Raiders board.

lex
10-07-2009, 05:36 PM
After seeing McDaniels moment with Dawkins after the game, its now apparent that McDaniels is a hugger. I really didnt think he would be that affectionate.

Anyone remember the time when Marty Schottenheimer kissed his player?

Popps
10-07-2009, 05:55 PM
If we lose 31-28 I'll say our defense BLEW it--if we lose 10-7 or 17-13--you are DAMN right I am going to blame Orton and his anemic QB play.....but you are SO BIASED in your anti-Cutler stance--that you are unwilling to admit to our offense's regression.........you are an illogical fanboy- have another drink........

So hostile.

Sorry it blew up in your face, kid. Again, keep the faith... we may lose this weekend. Hopefully you can draw more attention to yourself that way.

Best of luck.

tsiguy96
10-07-2009, 06:08 PM
everyone neg rep BF7 see how many he can get. maybe hell follow his heart to the bears.

BlaK-Argentina
10-07-2009, 06:19 PM
So hostile.

Sorry it blew up in your face, kid. Again, keep the faith... we may lose this weekend. Hopefully you can draw more attention to yourself that way.

Best of luck.

You've been saying that for three weeks. Make sure you keep that up. :thumbs:

Tsi, isn't it easier to just put the guy on ignore and move on? He's probably the worst poster this board has seen this year and that's saying a lot.
And this thread has waaaaay too many responses.

DenverBrit
10-07-2009, 06:23 PM
everyone neg rep BF7 see how many he can get. maybe hell follow his heart to the bears.

Why not just ignore him?

He's a know-it-all Troll who's desperate for attention.

Just a suggestion. ;D

ScottXray
10-07-2009, 06:38 PM
Threadkiller says .......


THIS THREAD MUST DIE!:spit:

baja
10-07-2009, 06:39 PM
I think broncofan7 is a ringer, probably a regular. The idea being to unite the board after a rough off season. Similar to an alien force attacking earth and Russia, China and the USA uniting against a common enemy.

Lev Vyvanse
10-07-2009, 07:22 PM
I think broncofan7 is a ringer, probably a regular. The idea being to unite the board after a rough off season. Similar to an alien force attacking earth and Russia, China and the USA uniting against a common enemy.

Is he you?

Boobs McGee
10-07-2009, 10:10 PM
LOL i dunno how it's happening, but the dumb and dumber clip about the most annoying sound in the world keeps playing, and it's ****ing HILARIOUS.

strafen
10-07-2009, 10:14 PM
I am in no way trying to compare Orton to Elway but you must not have watched many Elway games. If you had, you would have on many occasions seen a QB struggle mightily for good portions of the game only to pull it out when it mattered most. You probably only became a fan during the SB years with TD, EMac and Rod to which it explains your spoiled nature since that team was a machine. Those don't come along very often.

Elway is the only QB in NFL history to have started in 5 SB's
(I thought I would remind you of that, since it seems you've conveniently left that out to make your weak Orton argument a little stronger)

Sure, he won the last two he played in by having a solid OL and a great running game in TD
That said, struggle or not like any QB would, he still had IT
Orton does not have IT
This is a great team Orton has been surrounded with, still the guy struggles mightily. Still have been lucky to have won 4 games
The guy has a better chance to lose the game for us, than will his way to victory...
The whole credit for Orton NOT messing things up so far, belongs to McD. He has planned every game to compensate for Orton's lack of physical skills and limited talent to play QB
McD is the one pulling the strings like a master puppet would to make his QB do exactly as he wants him to do. No more, no less

Orton in 4 wins has been totally irrelevant to give him any credit or whatsover

broncocalijohn
10-07-2009, 10:24 PM
missed the Mane from Friday to this night and just got done with page 1. Broncofan7 is putting some classic posts on here. This is like a book and I cant put it down. All it says is 12 pages than > last. This has the makings of a classic. Will bf7 come to be an Orton fan or will he still be the biggest douche outside of Lex and SoCal on the hate? Oh, drama coming. I feel it.

broncocalijohn
10-07-2009, 10:55 PM
Thank god I finally got around to putting Broncofan7 on ignore.

page 2- then you would have missed this brilliant thread!

broncocalijohn
10-07-2009, 11:21 PM
'Mane Cred'--:rofl: Ridiculous--many of you OBVIOUSLY lack the reading comprehension skills necessary to carry on a conversation--let alone have the intellect to carry on a debate--GO READ THE ORIGINAL POST AGAIN--I gave a Orton a chance --and he came through with flying colors-if the game is close--I believe in Orton to pull it out.....He played tremendous in the 4th qtr.....

amazing u didnt give us that great 4th quarter but couldnt help but let us know about the first half.

broncofan, go cheer for another team. we apologize THIS team is not being run how you want it to, but mcdaniels is far, far better than you at anything football related, and his team is 4-0. i think well take his word for it, not yours.

He already has another team and it is the Eagles. I am sure he was planning a better year with them so it is tearing him apart being wrong about his "first" team.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-08-2009, 06:42 AM
If we lose 31-28 I'll say our defense BLEW it--if we lose 10-7 or 17-13--you are DAMN right I am going to blame Orton and his anemic QB play.....but you are SO BIASED in your anti-Cutler stance--that you are unwilling to admit to our offense's regression.........you are an illogical fanboy- have another drink........

Can I get you a tissue? All you do is cry and bitch and moan and cry some more, like a weeping ****ing pussy. Jesus.

We get it. You don't like orton. Is it really necessary to make yourself look like a screaming mimi about it?

strafen
10-08-2009, 07:11 AM
Anyone see McD scream at Orton telling him to "just make the play and stop saying my bad" . My whole point and Josh agrees

2:25 mark

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-sound-efx/09000d5d8133b2d8/Sound-FX-McDaniels-wired

Yeah, I've heard that. That's how retarded Orton is.
I expect the Orton's supporters to come over here and dispute that's not what McDaniels said, or that he wasn't talking to Orton! :rofl:

TailgateNut
10-08-2009, 07:21 AM
Yeah, I've heard that. That's how retarded Orton is.
I expect the Orton's supporters to come over here and dispute that's not what McDaniels said, or that he wasn't talking to Orton! :rofl:

It's better to acknowledge blame (Orton)than to blame everyone else (Cutler).

Lev Vyvanse
10-08-2009, 07:35 AM
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Very true.

strafen
10-08-2009, 07:44 AM
It's better to acknowledge blame (Orton)than to blame everyone else (Cutler).Oh my God, is that ever a true statement
I was on Cutler's case last year for all his inopportune INT's and turnovers, and all I've heard was the defense, the fact that the guy threw 600+ times, therefore the odds of him throwing a pick increased concurrently
Good point(s) but it took Cutler leaving the Broncos for the orange-colored glasses to finally come off and see what I was saying
Funny how things work sometimes
I'm not an Orton hater. I just call it like it is
Thanks to McD for helping the guy out manage the games. Under a different headcoach (OC) Orton wouldn't be doing this good with the Broncos

That's what people need to understand, and not think it's all Orton's awesome abilities Uhh

broncocalijohn
10-08-2009, 10:59 AM
If we lose 31-28 I'll say our defense BLEW it--if we lose 10-7 or 17-13--you are DAMN right I am going to blame Orton and his anemic QB play.....but you are SO BIASED in your anti-Cutler stance--that you are unwilling to admit to our offense's regression.........you are an illogical fanboy- have another drink........

Your problem bf7 is that you are pro Cutler and Cutler is gone. He isnt coming back. We needed a replacement and that was Orton. Your beef is all wrong. We already know you didnt want Cutler gone. The difference here is that he isnt being sat on the bench for Orton, he isnt even on the team. You would have somewhat of a point if Cutler was benched for Orton or you thought Simms should be starting. You are comparing Cutler to Orton stat wise which isnt fair to the situation. Orton wont be exciting as Cutler, we know that. Why would you keep harping on this? Where were your threads on us being down 10-0 last year and you called out the defense? I am guessing there werent any. You now have a top defense and an offense that isnt going to score as many points but probably make less errors and win more games. If you can go back to the beg of the season and give this scenario for not only this year, but years to come, you wouldnt want to go with this plan? Seems like you are the fan boy of Cutler and not for the Broncos. You better check yourself dude.

broncofan7
10-08-2009, 11:58 AM
Here is Jason Whitlock's take on the Broncos fast start.......

7. It's comical watching everyone fall over themselves praising Josh McDaniels for Denver's 4-0 start when the Broncos' undefeated start is the No. 1 reason McDaniels should be ripped.

Put Jay Cutler under center and the Broncos are a serious Super Bowl threat rather than a nice, first-quarter-of-the-season story.

Kyle Orton ain't winning no Super Bowl. Not in this life. Not on this planet. McDaniels' mishandling of Cutler might've destroyed a Super Bowl team. That's the story. That mistake isn't water under the bridge. We don't forget about it because it happened in February. You can lose the Super Bowl in the offseason just as easily as you can by improperly using timeouts or calling the wrong plays.

DOOOOH!!!

broncofan7
10-08-2009, 12:03 PM
Your problem bf7 is that you are pro Cutler and Cutler is gone. He isnt coming back. We needed a replacement and that was Orton. Your beef is all wrong. We already know you didnt want Cutler gone. The difference here is that he isnt being sat on the bench for Orton, he isnt even on the team. You would have somewhat of a point if Cutler was benched for Orton or you thought Simms should be starting. You are comparing Cutler to Orton stat wise which isnt fair to the situation. Orton wont be exciting as Cutler, we know that. Why would you keep harping on this? Where were your threads on us being down 10-0 last year and you called out the defense? I am guessing there werent any. You now have a top defense and an offense that isnt going to score as many points but probably make less errors and win more games. If you can go back to the beg of the season and give this scenario for not only this year, but years to come, you wouldnt want to go with this plan? Seems like you are the fan boy of Cutler and not for the Broncos. You better check yourself dude.

I've seen Orton's pedestrian arm strength and his lack of leadership and command in the huddle (MCD quote" Stop saying MY BAD and just execute the play!...') and the lack of consistency on third down long enough to KNOW that Simms deserves a chance........

jhat01
10-08-2009, 12:11 PM
I've seen Orton's pedestrian arm strength and his lack of leadership and command in the huddle (MCD quote" Stop saying MY BAD and just execute the play!...') and the lack of consistency on third down long enough to KNOW that Simms deserves a chance........

you are ****ing deranged...Find one legit football person that would bench Orton right now. You're the laughing stock of this board...bar none.

HAT
10-08-2009, 12:22 PM
you are ****ing deranged...Find one legit football person that would bench Orton right now. You're the laughing stock of this board...bar none.

Not that I don't agree jhat.....But this page was off of page 1 until bf7 bumped it himself.

Now that it's back near the top......Let's all take scott's advice and kill it. :thanku:

No more bumps!!!

Starting.....now!

broncofan7
10-08-2009, 12:55 PM
you are ****ing deranged...Find one legit football person that would bench Orton right now. You're the laughing stock of this board...bar none.

You can just call me 'Football Jesus' :rofl:

Eldorado
10-08-2009, 01:03 PM
Hey...... wanna hear the most annoying sound in the world?

EEEEEEEEEEEEAAAYAYAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

Eldorado
10-08-2009, 01:04 PM
not that i don't agree jhat.....but this page was off of page 1 until bf7 bumped it himself.

Now that it's back near the top......let's all take scott's advice and kill it. :thanku:

No more bumps!!!

Starting.....now!

okayyyyy....

Now!!

broncofan7
10-08-2009, 01:07 PM
Hey...... wanna hear the most annoying sound in the world?

repent son..........