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houghtam
09-19-2013, 12:09 PM
:oyvey:

Let me make this simple. "Yes we can! Change" is not working.

As a result QE without end is underway. This has negative effects on the paper you keep in the bank. Those with large quantities of paper are at risk of holding paper and need to put it somewhere. If you have enough paper, real estate, business that cash flows, stocks, bonds etc people savy investors turn to gold on dips. See the charts today as the markets call out more BS from the fed.

Buy the dips. Another just happened. You might even consider locking in some of your precious profits and protect some of your wealth/family.

Blame the GOP blame who you want. I don't really care. We will soon be pushing 17 trillion in debt and their is a VERY clear relationship between the US debt and the price of gold/the value of the DXY. The true owners play this game on a huge scale.

And for those people without the expendable funds to invest?

**** em, right?

"I'm safe! I got up here, guys...I'm pulling up the ladder!"

Meck77
09-19-2013, 01:20 PM
And for those people without the expendable funds to invest?

**** em, right?

"I'm safe! I got up here, guys...I'm pulling up the ladder!"

No idea what you do or your situation is.

I'm a firm believer in working for one self but it's not for everyone. Employees are basically there to build shareholder value and the shareholders job is to figure out how to fire you to help the bottom. It's a sad reality. The outcome for an employee is never good unless you have a chance to be an equity holder IMO.

Beyond that it's tackling debt. Beyond that it's your basic investments. You can play the bullion trend with paper. Pick up some poor mans gold SLV. Get your feet wet. Heck lunch will cost you more than SLV right now.

Or you put your hope on Obama to help you.

There are a lot of ways to skin a cat.

houghtam
09-19-2013, 02:29 PM
No idea what you do or your situation is.

I'm a firm believer in working for one self but it's not for everyone. Employees are basically there to build shareholder value and the shareholders job is to figure out how to fire you to help the bottom. It's a sad reality. The outcome for an employee is never good unless you have a chance to be an equity holder IMO.

Beyond that it's tackling debt. Beyond that it's your basic investments. You can play the bullion trend with paper. Pick up some poor mans gold SLV. Get your feet wet. Heck lunch will cost you more than SLV right now.

Or you put your hope on Obama to help you.

There are a lot of ways to skin a cat.

Add "borrow money from your parents to start a business" to that list, Mitt.

It's obvious you've never known true financial hardship. I don't have to know what you do or what your situation is to realize that.

For some people, these are just not options.

**** 'em.

Meck77
09-19-2013, 02:49 PM
Add "borrow money from your parents to start a business" to that list, Mitt.

It's obvious you've never known true financial hardship. I don't have to know what you do or what your situation is to realize that.

For some people, these are just not options.

**** 'em.
I believe the human potential is what you think it is.

Dude...there are tons of resources online and on facebook for start up money. I'm going to a start up meeting tomorrow. I'm basically going as a shark to listen to ideas and maybe guide one along.

If you can't even think of an idea you are right. You are hopeless. If you have one and look for resources they are out there.

It's free to dream. Sadly you just killed yours in one post.

As far as hardship. My first business was like 4th grade. Sold candy out of my Broncos style duffle bag. Had everybody's lunch money by noon. Even did some loans. Often had a roll of $1.00 bills that was several inches thick. My family had some roller coasters growing up but always had food on the table.


The system is really controlled by the owners but even a little guy can own a speck of the pie.

Seriously though if you have some ideas I can point you in the right direction. The TV shark tank has really created a lot of new avenues for people to bring their ideas to market.

houghtam
09-19-2013, 04:49 PM
I believe the human potential is what you think it is.

Dude...there are tons of resources online and on facebook for start up money. I'm going to a start up meeting tomorrow. I'm basically going as a shark to listen to ideas and maybe guide one along.

If you can't even think of an idea you are right. You are hopeless. If you have one and look for resources they are out there.

It's free to dream. Sadly you just killed yours in one post.

As far as hardship. My first business was like 4th grade. Sold candy out of my Broncos style duffle bag. Had everybody's lunch money by noon. Even did some loans. Often had a roll of $1.00 bills that was several inches thick. My family had some roller coasters growing up but always had food on the table.


The system is really controlled by the owners but even a little guy can own a speck of the pie.

Seriously though if you have some ideas I can point you in the right direction. The TV shark tank has really created a lot of new avenues for people to bring their ideas to market.

Where did you get the idea this is about me?

I am speaking about people who are wondering where the money for rent or utilities or even their next meal is coming from...and you're talking about starting a business. Jesus...how out of touch are you?

As far as me? LOL dude you haven't been paying attention. I haven't worked a day in almost two years. I voluntarily left my job after years of slaving away and I'd do it again. However, we obviously come from WAY different backgrounds, because your pie in the sky thinking not only isn't realistic, many of the people with financial problems such as those would be offended for you to suggest they start a business when they can't make ends meet in the first place.

This is the exact sort of thinking that cost Romney the presidency. You have no clue what real need or hardship is, nor do you realize just how vast the chasm between the rich and the poor is.

Go watch Shark Tank. I'm sure it gives you a chubby thinking about all that money there is out there...you just live in a world that most of the rest of the world doesn't.

Meck77
09-19-2013, 05:05 PM
I haven't worked a day in almost two years.

Can't imagine hanging out in a football forum on daily basis while not working for two years. *shrug*

I'm certainly out of touch with that type of lifestyle. You might just be in the wrong thread. The thread title is about investing. If you are in survival mode how could you relate to what I'm saying. Sorry to hear that.

Life is what you make it houghtam. There are no coincidences.

houghtam
09-19-2013, 05:19 PM
Can't imagine hanging out in a football forum on daily basis while not working for two years. *shrug*

I'm certainly out of touch with that type of lifestyle. You might just be in the wrong thread. The thread title is about investing. If you are in survival mode how could you relate to what I'm saying. Sorry to hear that.

Life is what you make it houghtam. There are no coincidences.

LOL

Did you miss the part where it's voluntary?

I would think with all your big business dreams, "early retirement" would at least be on your radar. Some people dream big, some dream small.

Keep watching Shark Tank, bud! Keep up hope for that million dollar idea! I'm doin' juuuuuust fiiiiiine. :wave:

Meck77
09-19-2013, 05:23 PM
LOL

Did you miss the part where it's voluntary?

I would think with all your big business dreams, "early retirement" would at least be on your radar. Some people dream big, some dream small.

Keep watching Shark Tank, bud! Keep up hope for that million dollar idea! I'm doin' juuuuuust fiiiiiine. :wave:

I enjoy working and working on innovative ideas. Well mr retirement then buying big blocks of gold should be easy for you.

houghtam
09-19-2013, 05:27 PM
I enjoy working and working on innovative ideas. Well mr retirement then buying big blocks of gold should be easy for you.

Should be, but money doesn't motivate me anymore. And it's definitely not an option for much of the country.

You need to get out more, bud.

And I probably should have used the word "retirement", as I suppose caring for two kids is a full time job of sorts. But, suffice it to say, I shouldn't have to work another day in my life if I don't want to. If another company lures me back after my kids start school, I'll entertain their offer...but the 80 hour weeks are long gone for this guy.

Meck77
09-19-2013, 05:45 PM
Ok dude you went from debating I'm out of touch and you suddenly become young and retired who doesn't need money or work. Anyway dude football is on. Have a good one.

houghtam
09-19-2013, 06:27 PM
Ok dude you went from debating I'm out of touch and you suddenly become young and retired who doesn't need money or work. Anyway dude football is on. Have a good one.

Is that what you took out of this conversation? Here, let me recap:

Fedaykin - "We can't default on debt already accrued."

Meck - "Invest!"

Hough - "What about the millions of poor who cannot afford to invest?"

Meck - "Okay well, pay off debts, THEN invest."

Hough - "There are a lot of people for whom that is not an option. You apparently have never experienced it yourself."

Meck - "You're poor aren't you?"

Hough - "No, I'm doing fine, but there are millions who aren't. What about them?"

Meck - "Man, your life must suck. Unemployed much?"

Hough - "I repeat, I'm fine. But there are millions who aren't. What about them?"

Meck - "Then you should invest!"

And it wasn't a debate. You are out of touch. Do some research. There are millions who are hurting in this country; News Flash: it's not because they're good-for-nothing deadbeat leeches, and for them, "pay off your debts" isn't an answer, let alone an option.

Meck77
09-19-2013, 07:09 PM
Ok let's recap. Our country is buried in debt. While countries like China and Russia are stock piling gold we are stacking up debt. QE is not working. We can't stop QE because it's not working. Jobs are not being created to allow QE to be tappered like the fed has been wanting to do. Obviously defaulting on our debt is not a good option. Neither is raising the debt ceiling but our country is not lowering expenses nor is there the revenue growth to keep us from raising the debt limit. The plan is just not working.

The idea of investing in gold is certainly not for the poor. Investing in general can't be done unless someone has control of their debts. There are instruments that do allow people hedge what money they have against the decline in the DXY aks US $. The massive amount of QE=Quantitative easing inevitably decreases the value of the dollar.

As far as you not working. That's your own personal business.

I disagree that someone can't climb from poverty with the right ambition with a little help. I'm spending two days in a room full of people from all walks of life and they are going in there because they have an idea and they need people to help facilitate them. Pretty exciting if you ask me. Work? I'm not sure if you call that work. Money is a by-product of work. If you do what you love the money just follows. Work isn't about money for me either.

One has to convert paper into something to minimize risk. Stocks? Real estate? Something to protect one's buying power against inflation and dollar devaluation.

As far as the masses go. Your derogatory words not mine. Sadly they apparently voted for Obama thinking they were going to get someone who cares about them. Total BS. See video I posted "George Carlin" rant on the "It's quiet around here thread". It pretty much explains our situation as a country.

Most everything is controlled by the big owners. The scraps are left for the rest. If you are going to fight for scraps you mine as well own the scraps instead of working for the big owners and get fired for profits or in your own words "Slave away 80 hours per week"

Rohirrim
09-19-2013, 08:51 PM
You must have missed this link on what QE is actually doing: http://www.nbcnews.com/business/hedge-fund-billionaire-feds-move-fantastic-rich-4B11199524

Rohirrim
09-19-2013, 08:56 PM
Ok let's recap. Our country is buried in debt. While countries like China and Russia are stock piling gold we are stacking up debt. QE is not working. We can't stop QE because it's not working. Jobs are not being created to allow QE to be tappered like the fed has been wanting to do. Obviously defaulting on our debt is not a good option. Neither is raising the debt ceiling but our country is not lowering expenses nor is there the revenue growth to keep us from raising the debt limit. The plan is just not working.

The idea of investing in gold is certainly not for the poor. Investing in general can't be done unless someone has control of their debts. There are instruments that do allow people hedge what money they have against the decline in the DXY aks US $. The massive amount of QE=Quantitative easing inevitably decreases the value of the dollar.

As far as you not working. That's your own personal business.

I disagree that someone can't climb from poverty with the right ambition with a little help. I'm spending two days in a room full of people from all walks of life and they are going in there because they have an idea and they need people to help facilitate them. Pretty exciting if you ask me. Work? I'm not sure if you call that work. Money is a by-product of work. If you do what you love the money just follows. Work isn't about money for me either.

One has to convert paper into something to minimize risk. Stocks? Real estate? Something to protect one's buying power against inflation and dollar devaluation.

As far as the masses go. Your derogatory words not mine. Sadly they apparently voted for Obama thinking they were going to get someone who cares about them. Total BS. See video I posted "George Carlin" rant on the "It's quiet around here thread". It pretty much explains our situation as a country.

Most everything is controlled by the big owners. The scraps are left for the rest. If you are going to fight for scraps you mine as well own the scraps instead of working for the big owners and get fired for profits or in your own words "Slave away 80 hours per week"

Are you really this lacking in sensitivity? Why isn't everybody an investor? Why isn't everybody an entrepreneur? It's no different than asking, why isn't everybody a musician? Why isn't everybody an athlete? In a real, non-fantastical society, there are people who take your bags at the airport, check your ticket, and fly the plane. There are people who serve your food in a restaurant and people who cook it. There are people who fix your street if the water main breaks. There are people who drive the school bus. There are people who put out fires. Should I go on? The list is almost infinite.

ak1971
09-19-2013, 08:58 PM
Back to Gold ..I still say we see $1K gold before $2K gold.

Oh and the spread on Savanah State is pretty attractive this weekend as well.

Meck77
09-19-2013, 09:05 PM
Are you really this lacking in sensitivity? Why isn't everybody an investor? Why isn't everybody an entrepreneur? It's no different than asking, why isn't everybody a musician? Why isn't everybody an athlete? In a real, non-fantastical society, there are people who take your bags at the airport, check your ticket, and fly the plane. There are people who serve your food in a restaurant and people who cook it. There are people who fix your street if the water main breaks. There are people who drive the school bus. There are people who put out fires. Should I go on? The list is almost infinite.

The thread is about investing. See title. At the end of the day all of those fields have one thing in common. They get paid in paper. Each of has to decide where that paper goes. Call it what you want. Spending or investing. You can hand it to your credit card company, you can hand it to your landlord, fight interest on a mortgage loan, buy a midget stripper or you can hand it to a bullion broker.

Lol @ Ak.....Thanks for keeping the thread on track.


On second thought. I'll tell you what's insensitive. This idea that houghtam presented that people are too helpless to break out of the cycle of poverty. Or the idea that street sweepers, servers, or firefighters are not investors trying to secure their future and retirement. Who isn't?

houghtam
09-19-2013, 09:31 PM
The thread is about investing. See title. At the end of the day all of those fields have one thing in common. They get paid in paper. Each of has to decide where that paper goes. Call it what you want. Spending or investing. You can hand it to your credit card company, you can hand it to your landlord, fight interest on a mortgage loan, buy a midget stripper or you can hand it to a bullion broker.

Lol @ Ak.....Thanks for keeping the thread on track.


On second thought. I'll tell you what's insensitive. This idea that houghtam presented that people are too helpless to break out of the cycle of poverty. Or the idea that street sweepers, servers, or firefighters are not investors trying to secure their future and retirement. Who isn't?

If you are really interested in the answer to this question, I encourage you to give up your savings and go live in Detroit for awhile. Then you'll know that pretty much everything you're pimping is bull**** to the vast majority of Americans.

Meck77
09-19-2013, 09:39 PM
If you are really interested in the answer to this question, I encourage you to give up your savings and go live in Detroit for awhile. Then you'll know that pretty much everything you're pimping is bull**** to the vast majority of Americans.

Oh I've been there. Have family there. Spent many a summer there. I remember driving passed the miles of buildings where they actually use to manufacture things. Dad worked the assembly line there in the 50s.

What I'm pimping? I'm not pimping anything. Just a regular joe American trying to create a job. Too bad our government wasn't focused on the same thing. Instead the morons are pimping blowing up syria. That isn't over by a long shot. Yeah let's spend 500 million on tomahawks oh wait. We're facing a government shut down and there aren't the votes to go to war. Nevermind Putin. You handle it.

houghtam
09-19-2013, 09:50 PM
Oh I've been there. Have family there. Spent many a summer there. I remember driving passed the miles of buildings where they actually use to manufacture things. Dad worked the assembly line there in the 50s.

What I'm pimping? I'm not pimping anything. Just a regular joe American trying to create a job. Too bad our government wasn't focused on the same thing. Instead the morons are pimping blowing up syria. That isn't over by a long shot. Yeah let's spend 500 million on tomahawks oh wait. We're facing a government shut down and there aren't the votes to go to war. Nevermind Putin. You handle it.

My government? It's our government, bub. And my stance on military spending is well-documented.

Meck77
09-19-2013, 09:54 PM
My government? It's our government, bub. And my stance on military spending is well-documented.

It's clear you don't read what I type. I said our government.

Well it's been fun. Got to get some rest. 54 hr job creation jam session starting tomorrow and going til sunday night. Don't worry houghtam. Some of us are still trying and working. We got your back.

houghtam
09-19-2013, 10:02 PM
It's clear you don't read what I type. I said our government.

Well it's been fun. Got to get some rest. 54 hr job creation jam session starting tomorrow. Don't worry houghtam. Some of us are still trying. We got your back.

Yeah, have fun with all of those people from all different walks of life you invented. Doctors, lawyers, venture capitalists...I'm sure they're a diverse crowd.

Hilarious!

Meck77
09-19-2013, 10:03 PM
Yeah, have fun with all of those people from all different walks of life you invented.

Have fun watching the paint dry.

ak1971
09-20-2013, 09:38 AM
Calling my shot again... Long DZZ this morning ... Gold is toast for the short term

Meck77
09-20-2013, 11:18 AM
Noted AK. Good luck on your DZZ. Short term you might be right. I know you like the short term and short chicks. lol

Hey wait a second. Are you an investor? You must be out of touch with mainstream American if you are able to invest in DZZ!! Damn you!

One of these days I'll see you at a tailgate and one of us will be right. 1k or 2k! That is the question!

ak1971
09-20-2013, 11:27 AM
Are you an investor? !

What I do should in no way be deemed investing. More like calculated idiocy

Fedaykin
10-01-2013, 10:49 AM
Gold going down (3% as of this post) today is pretty much the last thing I expected...

Meck77
10-01-2013, 10:56 AM
Gold going down (3% as of this post) today is pretty much the last thing I expected...

It's a bit of profit taking. If the last oh 50 years tells us anything congress will raise the debt ceiling and gold spikes.

Or they don't raise the debt ceiling and chaos starts to set in on our BS economy, stocks tank, and big investors move to gold and gold spikes.

OR ak1971 is right and gold goes to 1,000 because congress fixes our economy I guess is his theory.

Meck77
10-02-2013, 11:10 AM
Fedyakin....Gold also reacted to the reduction in spending from the shut down. Now reality is setting in and the stock market is getting beat down, gold up. I don't worry about the short term reactions. It's the long term trends that matter and of course the bigger dips and valleys if you can see them to take profits or buy more.


If...if..if....

Any investment is a sucker bet if you don't play the peaks and valleys correctly.

BTW....I'm calling Bernakes bluff that he will be ending QE soon. I don't think they can or will.

Interesting times ahead! :yayaya: Bubble bubble bubble...pop...bubble bubble bubble pop!

The above post was from July.

Now in a desperate attempt to stabilize the fiat market the fed leaks this out. Market might bounce a couple hundred points then they will start yapping taper talks again. It's all ****ing BS.



TODAY


The Federal Reserve should reduce the pace of its bond-buying only very slowly “over the next several years” to make sure that the economy is on track of solid growth and moderate inflation, a Fed official said on Wednesday.

.http://www.marketwatch.com/story/taper-could-last-several-years-feds-rosengren-2013-10-02

ak1971
10-05-2013, 08:01 AM
Fedyakin....Gold also reacted to the reduction in spending from the shut down. Now reality is setting in and the stock market is getting beat down, gold up. I don't worry about the short term reactions. It's the long term trends that matter and of course the bigger dips and valleys if you can see them to take profits or buy more.


My prediction still is there $1K before $2K. Great 2013 gold heads

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk298/AK7745/au2013_zps63a07980.gif (http://s283.photobucket.com/user/AK7745/media/au2013_zps63a07980.gif.html)

Meck77
10-07-2013, 09:54 AM
Gold is a hedge AK. Your prediction of gold 1k or 2k doesn't mean all that much. Your chart assumes someone who invested in March 2013 and the price today lost money. Sure if they bought in march and sold now.

From what I know of you and what you admit is that you like to get in and out of markets. That's all good. One could have done that with this chart also!

Back to gold being a hedge or diversification tool. Today everything is getting pounded down almost 1% and gold is the only thing up 1%.

One can play the paper market quickly and you can even buy/sell buillion if you want. I've purchased under priced physical and held/flipped.

I welcome 1k gold or 2k gold. Really doesn't matter to my plan....

ak1971
11-27-2013, 08:27 PM
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk298/AK7745/au2013_zpse5f29277.gif (http://s283.photobucket.com/user/AK7745/media/au2013_zpse5f29277.gif.html)

just pulling this up to see how the investment in gold is going?

Arkie
11-28-2013, 09:32 AM
Finally, gold will finish the year lower than it started. It's the first time in 13 years. This thread was bound to be right one of these years.

mhgaffney
11-28-2013, 04:44 PM
Finally, gold will finish the year lower than it started. It's the first time in 13 years.
This thread was bound to be right one of these years.

What's happening with gold does not mean gold is a bad investment. Just the opposite.

Of course, by the time you wake up to this -- it'll be too late (for you).

MHG

ak1971
12-01-2013, 08:49 PM
What's happening with gold does not mean gold is a bad investment. Just the opposite.

Of course, by the time you wake up to this -- it'll be too late (for you).

MHG

whats the better investment? Zyklon B?

Garcia Bronco
12-02-2013, 10:25 AM
Finally, gold will finish the year lower than it started. It's the first time in 13 years. This thread was bound to be right one of these years.

You're still missing the point of the OP from 4 years ago.

At 1800 an ounce...how much can the average person buy? About none...and certainly not enough to make it worth "investing" in gold.

Garcia Bronco
12-02-2013, 10:26 AM
whats the better investment? Zyklon B?

Raw Lithium.

broncocalijohn
12-02-2013, 10:28 AM
whats the better investment? Zyklon B?

tin foil.

DenverBrit
12-02-2013, 10:42 AM
whats the better investment? Zyklon B?

For Gaffney?

Mini Nukes or Thermite.

Fedaykin
12-18-2013, 01:46 PM
Almost 4 months in to Arkie's "challenge" and here are the results:

DOW: Up 9%
NDQ: Up 14%
S&P: Up 11%

Gold: Down 10%

Could easily have been the reverse, no doubt. Which is why what I said before I'll say again: Investment is NOT picking something (ESPECIALLY ONE THING) and hoping it goes up. Investment is a process of constantly evaluating all opportunities and working to maximize return and minimize risk.

mhgaffney
12-18-2013, 04:09 PM
The heavy hitter prophets of the OM have spoken.

Fortunately, I don't rely on the OM to understand the gold/silver market. Check out this latest interview with futurist Gerald Celente -- who is now making predictions about 2014...

He makes a lot of sense to me.

http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2013/12/14_Gerald_Celente.html

Requiem
12-18-2013, 04:38 PM
The heavy hitter prophets of the OM have spoken.

Fortunately, I don't rely on the OM to understand the gold/silver market. Check out this latest interview with futurist Gerald Celente -- who is now making predictions about 2014...

He makes a lot of sense to me.

http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2013/12/14_Gerald_Celente.html

That website looks like it was designed in 1997. GROSS.

DenverBrit
12-18-2013, 04:44 PM
The heavy hitter prophets of the OM have spoken.

Fortunately, I don't rely on the OM to understand the gold/silver market. Check out this latest interview with futurist Gerald Celente -- who is now making predictions about 2014...

He makes a lot of sense to me.

http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2013/12/14_Gerald_Celente.html

Of course he does.

http://www.xojane.com/files/cleo2.jpg

Requiem
12-18-2013, 04:45 PM
Of course he does.

http://www.xojane.com/files/cleo2.jpg

Give your honest opinion on clairvoyance.

DenverBrit
12-18-2013, 04:45 PM
That website looks like it was designed in 1997. GROSS.

With all of the tens of millions he must have made from his 'predictions', you have to wonder why he didn't spend more than $38 designing his website.

DenverBrit
12-18-2013, 04:46 PM
Give your honest opinion on clairvoyance.

I don't buy into it. Do you?

ak1971
12-18-2013, 08:24 PM
Almost 4 months in to Arkie's "challenge" and here are the results:

DOW: Up 9%
NDQ: Up 14%
S&P: Up 11%

Gold: Down 10%

Could easily have been the reverse, no doubt. Which is why what I said before I'll say again: Investment is NOT picking something (ESPECIALLY ONE THING) and hoping it goes up. Investment is a process of constantly evaluating all opportunities and working to maximize return and minimize risk.


Here's my picks for that challenge.
FNMA up 150.82% (8/30)
DZZ up 16.95% (9/20)

not too shaby

Arkie
12-19-2013, 06:55 AM
excellent post. my gamble pick for the next 6 mo is FNMA been riding it up and down like a cheap whore. if by some wild chance it ever comes out of conservatorship and gets relisted...well a guy can dream

Didn't see this. Good pick!

ak1971
03-08-2014, 10:39 PM
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Just stopping into say hello. keep hedging gold , bit-coins or whatever else


btw..did you see me front running the not too shabby comment?