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Quoydogs
09-29-2009, 09:18 AM
There was what seemed like a half hour interview with him today on the NFl network.

The guy should not even have been allowed to play football again and they are trying to make him a hero.

I like how his comments were already changing too. The interviewer asked him what was he going to do when fans confronted him about what he had done.

He said, yeah it probably was not the right thing to do. But it only got this bad because the media blew it up.

Further more he has done NOTHING for the eagles. I think he has only played what 2 plays or something like that. I know one was as a WR.

Man what they will do for ratings.

Beantown Bronco
09-29-2009, 09:22 AM
Nothing has changed. Me and a buddy would always talk about how Vick was famous for those 9-22 for 120 yards passing days, yet ESPN would always show all 9 of those completions along with a few of his rushing attempts during the highlight segments and pretend like he had a superb day.

Rabb
09-29-2009, 09:22 AM
I wouldn't say he shouldn't have been allowed to play, he did his time...that is another issue.

I agree on the attention thing, between him and Favre...what else do they need?

Garcia Bronco
09-29-2009, 09:24 AM
Say what you want. He's an exciting player to watch and he deserves a second chance just like anybody else. The only difference is he's actually paid his debt.

Mr. Elway
09-29-2009, 09:28 AM
I do believe he deserves his second chance and he is handling himself well, though he has been uneffective on the field.

What I object to is the sheer hypocrisy of the sports media. They all crucified the guy, and now there is zero mention of what he did, and and no end to the coverage and love. I get he is a story, but have some credibility for crying out loud. I wonder what Vick thinks of them?

Quoydogs
09-29-2009, 09:28 AM
Say what you want. He's an exciting player to watch and he deserves a second chance just like anybody else. The only difference is he's actually paid his debt.

Dude, not to be rude but he has done nothing since his return. Maybe they should have had a half hour on how Kolbs (sp) put up 300 yard fresh off the bench.

Jason in LA
09-29-2009, 09:32 AM
I think the media and fans are making too much of a big deal over Vick. His supports need to shut up, and his detractors need to shut up too! Let the guy play. I don't really see him making an impact as a player, so I laugh at people who say that McNabb should be worried. But he did his time so he has every right to make a living in the NFL. Seems like his detractors would only be happy if he was working a minimum wage job.

ChSuperStar
09-29-2009, 09:34 AM
i don't mind 2nd chance, don't interview him so often as though he went in to fight in iraq or afgan and just returned back.

he did something wrong, he is back. just ignore him and don't make him a god. few weeks back they had a interview with charles rogers (former detriot top pick) he was flat out lying on the interview and you could say it from him eyes... and he was arrested and in jail after few weeks. why interview these idiots, who are bad and try to make them look good.

once vick does some good things or plays well.. i am ok, but not now

Garcia Bronco
09-29-2009, 09:34 AM
Dude, not to be rude but he has done nothing since his return. Maybe they should have had a half hour on how Kolbs (sp) put up 300 yard fresh off the bench.

He's played one game to what amounts as a specialist. He's not the most accurate passer to begin with and hasn't played a regular season game since 06. Either way I am rooting for him to be a success story for several reasons. He's a Virginia Tech Hokieand a Virginian. I also believe he has the athletic ability to help a team win. He and I chewed some same dirt growing up and we are from the same area. Above all I believe in redemption. HE can do it provided he takes the right steps.

jhat01
09-29-2009, 09:41 AM
Good for him that he gets another chance. That being said, he will be an absolute non factor this year. Don't look for all of this attention in a few weeks, cuz it won't be there.

Bronco Boy
09-29-2009, 09:50 AM
I think the increased coverage on Vick shows the media's obvious hatred for dogs more than any love for him.

Rugby7
09-29-2009, 09:52 AM
Say what you want. He's an exciting player to watch and he deserves a second chance just like anybody else. The only difference is he's actually paid his debt.There are crimes that people commit that some say are unforgivable. I would argue this is one of them. I don't know anyone could wite of 7+ years of senseless torturing and murdering dogs as just a mistake. All this coverage of him and this he's paid his debt attitude makes me sick. you guys pretty much suck

GoBroncos DownUnder
09-29-2009, 09:53 AM
Am I the only person who can see Vick's foot-speed is WAY down on what it used to be? He shuffles more than he runs now.


A couple of times last month the media tried "too hard" to paint Vick as a changed man it cracked me up.ROFL! "Vick has spoken to school kids about not getting involved in dog fighting ..." kind of obvious isn't it?
Made me wonder, if Plax will one day talk to kids "Advising them to NOT shoot themselves in the leg" soon to be followed by Donte's advice of "Don't get drunk, drive yourself home and run over jaywalkers!"


He's got a second chance, my thoughts on it really don't matter, what matters is that he gets his crap together, stays out of trouble and brings up his children to do the right thing.

Garcia Bronco
09-29-2009, 10:21 AM
There are crimes that people commit that some say are unforgivable. I would argue this is one of them. I don't know anyone could wite of 7+ years of senseless torturing and murdering dogs as just a mistake. All this coverage of him and this he's paid his debt attitude makes me sick. you guys pretty much suck

I don't think dog killing is as unforgiveable unless it's my dog or your dog. It's a cultural thing right or wrong. In the end though, as WRONG as it was, those dogs were his property. They aren't human beings. Ray Lewis did something much worse IMO. And Ray Carruth got what he deserved. I can tell you this. Had he done that to my dog, his mother would have had to bury him.

DivineBronco
09-29-2009, 10:23 AM
we all love redemption stories but it amazes me people are not more outraged. Does he deserve a second chance at life sure, but a second chance at making boatloads of money I say no

GoBroncos DownUnder
09-29-2009, 10:27 AM
It's a cultural thing right or wrong.
"cultural thing" ... ?
What a load of crap.
I'm Australian, descended from convict ancestors (English/Irish criminals) so that means that if I steal or break the law ... it's a "cultural thing"? Hilarious!

Garcia Bronco
09-29-2009, 10:29 AM
Am I the only person who can see Vick's foot-speed is WAY down on what it used to be? He shuffles more than he runs now.



It would have to be.

TailgateNut
09-29-2009, 10:31 AM
There are crimes that people commit that some say are unforgivable. I would argue this is one of them. I don't know anyone could wite of 7+ years of senseless torturing and murdering dogs as just a mistake. All this coverage of him and this he's paid his debt attitude makes me sick. you guys pretty much suck


DITTO. They gut is a scumbag of epic porportions. ****ing Dog Killer. SPIT!

Garcia Bronco
09-29-2009, 10:32 AM
"cultural thing" ... ?
What a load of crap.
I'm Australian, descended from convict ancestors (English/Irish criminals) so that means that if I steal or break the law ... it's a "cultural thing"? Hilarious!

The difference is you are stealing other peoples property where as Vick was doing what he wanted with his. But outside of all that...I bet we can go to places in Australia and find some kind of animal fighting for sport. Same in most countries. Go to the Phillpines and in many small towns in the center you'll find a cock-fighting ring.

Quoydogs
09-29-2009, 10:44 AM
The thing is I don't think he learned his lesson. His anwsers already have changed from i screwed up, it was wrong. To it was probably a bad choice and it would not have been that bad but the media blew it up.

He was one of the leaders in Dog fighting in America. He is scum. He did do his time, ok fine but don't make him a god over it. What does that teach the kids. You go to prison and when you get out the news will interview you several times per week and all is forgiven ??

GoBroncos DownUnder
09-29-2009, 10:44 AM
Not arguing that either crime is better or that animal cruelty doesn't go on in other countries, what I'm saying is that "making excuses" for it is the problem. Using terms like "it's a cultural thing" is a joke, it makes a mockery of hard working people who do the right thing despite their upbringing/background to advance themselves in the world!

Vick didn't get jail time for the dog fighting - he got it for being STUPID. You are a $100,000,000 athlete ... when illegal activities are happening on your property and risking your career, you stop them.

Rugby7
09-29-2009, 12:35 PM
Had he done that to my dog, his mother would have had to bury him

Dog fighters steal dogs only to be viciously killed as training tools for thier fighting dogs.
It might not have been your dog, but humans were affected by Vick's actions. I don't see dogs as just human property, they have very real emotions and they feel pain. I want to say I respect your opinion but I really don't.

bronco militia
09-29-2009, 12:52 PM
http://cdn.ksk.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/LOL-VICK-SIGN.jpg

DivineLegion
09-29-2009, 12:56 PM
They ran a segment last week on the origin of the Wildcat, then a week later Vick calls himself the original Wildcat QB. What's f-d up is they all agreed with him, these morons don't even pay attention to their own programing.

Garcia Bronco
09-29-2009, 01:25 PM
Not arguing that either crime is better or that animal cruelty doesn't go on in other countries, what I'm saying is that "making excuses" for it is the problem. Using terms like "it's a cultural thing" is a joke, it makes a mockery of hard working people who do the right thing despite their upbringing/background to advance themselves in the world!

Vick didn't get jail time for the dog fighting - he got it for being STUPID. You are a $100,000,000 athlete ... when illegal activities are happening on your property and risking your career, you stop them.

It's really not a joke. We make exceptions all the time with respect to the cultures of others. Was he wrong? Absolutely.

Garcia Bronco
09-29-2009, 01:27 PM
Dog fighters steal dogs only to be viciously killed as training tools for thier fighting dogs.
It might not have been your dog, but humans were affected by Vick's actions. I don't see dogs as just human property, they have very real emotions and they feel pain. I want to say I respect your opinion but I really don't.

The reality is they are property. Unless you think we should extend human rights to dogs.


They do in Boulder. In Boulder you are considered the dog's legal guardian.

Garcia Bronco
09-29-2009, 01:29 PM
The thing is I don't think he learned his lesson. His anwsers already have changed from i screwed up, it was wrong. To it was probably a bad choice and it would not have been that bad but the media blew it up.

He was one of the leaders in Dog fighting in America. He is scum. He did do his time, ok fine but don't make him a god over it. What does that teach the kids. You go to prison and when you get out the news will interview you several times per week and all is forgiven ??

I don't get the impression that he's a "God" over it. That's your perception. What it teaches kids is that you can make a mistake and still be forgiven. Vick still has to prove himself. He's not back on top of the mountain. Not by a long shot.

broncocalijohn
09-29-2009, 01:35 PM
it is tuesday and I am still waiting on extended highlights. I saw less than 30 seconds on the local programming but if you flip on any NFL segment, u get Vick or Favre.

GoBroncos DownUnder
09-29-2009, 01:58 PM
I don't get the impression that he's a "God" over it. That's your perception. What it teaches kids is that you can make a mistake and still be forgiven. Vick still has to prove himself. He's not back on top of the mountain. Not by a long shot.
"Mistake"? WTF ?
Stallworth and Plax both made a MISTAKE.
To turn a blind eye to a dog fighting operation being run on your property (for 7 years?) is not a "mistake", IMO it's probably better described as "ignorant arrogance".

Anyone out there have a better term for it? (Almost 5pm, my brain has checked out...):welcome:

Clockwork Orange
09-29-2009, 02:47 PM
I hope he gets mauled by a pack of rabid pit bulls. **** him and anyone who defends him. I don't have to forgive his sorry ass or buy into his fake contrition. He served his prison sentence, fine. Doesn't mean I have to forget that he's a walking lop of ****.

Garcia Bronco
09-29-2009, 03:02 PM
"Mistake"? WTF ?
Stallworth and Plax both made a MISTAKE.
To turn a blind eye to a dog fighting operation being run on your property (for 7 years?) is not a "mistake", IMO it's probably better described as "ignorant arrogance".

Anyone out there have a better term for it? (Almost 5pm, my brain has checked out...):welcome:

What do you considered worse. Running down a human being drunk on pot, or dog fighting?

lex
09-29-2009, 03:05 PM
What do you considered worse. Running down a human being drunk on pot, or dog fighting?

"Running him down" isnt exactly what happened. Nice try.

Garcia Bronco
09-29-2009, 03:06 PM
"Running him down" isnt exactly what happened. Nice try.

Oh it's exactly what happened. The law and I disagree here, but they guy was legally drunk and on another illegal drug. Do you think he should have more or less jail time than Vick. And which do you think is worse?

lex
09-29-2009, 03:09 PM
Oh it's exactly what happened. The law and I disagree here, but they guy was legally drunk and on another illegal drug. Do you think he should have more or less jail time than Vick. And which do you think is worse?

How is it that you claim the law is on your side when you were couching your question as a complaint about the disparity in punishment?

Youre way off on this one. He didnt "run him down". It was an accident and one where the guy who died was largely at fault. "Running him down" is a wild description. Thats not at all what happened.

Irish Stout
09-29-2009, 03:10 PM
"Running him down" isnt exactly what happened. Nice try.

And you can't really be drunk on pot, but Garcia is his own cat in his own world.

The thing I don't get is like, I don't really give a crap about Vick... yet I hear Vick-this and vick-that every time I turn on sports radio or espn. I don't care about Favre either unless hes producing on the football field.

I want to know who is doing well and who is relevant in sports thats why I listen, read and watch.... but there must be someone out there who actually really wants to know about Vick's day. I just can't figure out who. Most of the people I talk to about sports will talk about Philly, about McNabb being hurt, about Kolb, but nobody talks about Vick. He is irrelevant right now.

Garcia Bronco
09-29-2009, 03:11 PM
How is it that you claim the law is on your side when you were couching your question as a complaint about the disparity in punishment?

Youre way off on this one. He didnt "run him down". It was an accident and one where the guy who died was largely at fault. "Running him down" is a wild description. Thats not at all what happened.

Use whatever description you like. Tell it however you wish. Which is worse?

Garcia Bronco
09-29-2009, 03:12 PM
And you can't really be drunk on pot, but Garcia is his own cat in his own world.

Excuse me. Drunk and on pot.

lex
09-29-2009, 03:16 PM
Use whatever description you like. Tell it however you wish. Which is worse?

The person you presented that question to already answered the question youre asking now and he also clearly stated why. You asking that question wasnt really one asked wanting to know what others think is worse. You presented as a question but it was really a feeble attempt to frame the issue by using some ridiculous discription.

Garcia Bronco
09-29-2009, 03:19 PM
The person you presented that question to already answered the question youre asking now and he also clearly stated why. You asking that question wasnt really one asked wanting to know what others think is worse. You presented as a question but it was really a feeble attempt to frame the issue by using some ridiculous discription.

He did not answer the question. Nor did you. Which is worse and we can swtch to Little if you like.

We'll make it even more simple.

Which is worse? (any of you in the discussion.)

Dog fighting or taking a human life?

lex
09-29-2009, 03:22 PM
He did not answer the question. Nor did you. Which is worse and we can swtch to Little if you like.

We'll make it even more simple.

Which is worse? (any of you in the discussion.)

Dog fighting or taking a human life?

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2575433&postcount=29

This post is clearly telling you what he thinks is worse and why. Your inability to comprehend this removes any incentive for me to play along.

Arkie
09-29-2009, 04:09 PM
Which is worse? (any of you in the discussion.)

Dog fighting or taking a human life?

Taking a human life is the worse outcome of the two, but the worse man is the one who continues to kill dogs on purpose for years. He has no conscience.

DeuceOfClub
09-29-2009, 04:09 PM
http://cdn.ksk.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/LOL-VICK-SIGN.jpg

What on earth is Eli Manning doing there?

Atwater His Ass
09-29-2009, 04:46 PM
Vick is a POS human being and shouldn't be allowed to have a second chance playing the NFL. It's a privledge, not a right to play in the NFL.

Guys like Little and Ray Lewis also fall into this category, etc.

Garcia Bronco
09-29-2009, 04:53 PM
Taking a human life is the worse outcome of the two, but the worse man is the one who continues to kill dogs on purpose for years. He has no conscience.

That's valid. But what if that man came from a culture that didn't consider it an issue of conscience? And that's what I mean by it's cultural.

I also find it interesting that we love our dogs more than our fellow man. Or some people do.

mizzoutigers
09-29-2009, 05:12 PM
culture or no culture, any human knows that is wrong, give me a break. i hope his nfl career ends quickly and he's bankrupt living on a street corner.

Popps
09-29-2009, 05:21 PM
To me, Vick paid his debt. He served real time for what he did.

That said, he's still a guy I'd rather not see in the NFL. It's just bad for the game.

Garcia Bronco
09-29-2009, 05:29 PM
To me, Vick paid his debt. He served real time for what he did.

That said, he's still a guy I'd rather not see in the NFL. It's just bad for the game.


Like Goodell said. He thinks he can be a success story. I hope he is. I am bias, but we have to have some forgivness in our hearts. ....sometime.

Garcia Bronco
09-29-2009, 05:31 PM
culture or no culture, any human knows that is wrong, give me a break. i hope his nfl career ends quickly and he's bankrupt living on a street corner.

Not every human. Not even close. It depends doesn't it?

Quoydogs
09-29-2009, 05:43 PM
What do you considered worse. Running down a human being drunk on pot, or dog fighting?

Drunk on pot, Never heard of that but I would like to try it. What about this question.

Which is worse an accident or on purpose.

And on a side note. Even though I don't like plexio Burris he got it the worst out of all three. He got prison time for shooting himself. Dude has my luck:notworthy

RhymesayersDU
09-29-2009, 05:46 PM
Vick is a POS human being and shouldn't be allowed to have a second chance playing the NFL. It's a privledge, not a right to play in the NFL.

Guys like Little and Ray Lewis also fall into this category, etc.

That is so ridiculously false it's absurd. It's neither a privilege nor a right.

If it were a privilege, guys would play the game for free. They'd be begging to play the game for free. They don't. The NFL is a job just like anything else. A highly paid job, but it's a job nonetheless, where they will hire the best candidate to fill the position of need. People always like to say "Oh if I did _____ at my job, I'd be fired on the spot." Maybe. But what if you were the top guy in your field? Biggest earner in your company, etc? Chances are the rules would be relaxed for you. It's all cost/benefit.

Here's the thing on Vick. You won't hear me or anybody else defend him. He did a despicable thing. But the guy paid his debt. Does he deserve a second chance? No. Nobody in this world deserves anything. But based on his abilities, he was given one. I don't really have a huge problem with that. The guy's trying to turn his life around. Does it erase what he did? No, and it never will.

Spider
09-29-2009, 06:17 PM
There was what seemed like a half hour interview with him today on the NFl network.

The guy should not even have been allowed to play football again and they are trying to make him a hero.

I like how his comments were already changing too. The interviewer asked him what was he going to do when fans confronted him about what he had done.

He said, yeah it probably was not the right thing to do. But it only got this bad because the media blew it up.

Further more he has done NOTHING for the eagles. I think he has only played what 2 plays or something like that. I know one was as a WR.

Man what they will do for ratings.

****ing commie .....everyone in America deserves a second chance.he paid his debt to Society

GoBroncos DownUnder
09-29-2009, 08:01 PM
That is so ridiculously false it's absurd. It's neither a privilege nor a right.

If it were a privilege, guys would play the game for free. They'd be begging to play the game for free. They don't. The NFL is a job just like anything else. A highly paid job, but it's a job nonetheless, where they will hire the best candidate to fill the position of need. People always like to say "Oh if I did _____ at my job, I'd be fired on the spot." Maybe. But what if you were the top guy in your field? Biggest earner in your company, etc? Chances are the rules would be relaxed for you. It's all cost/benefit.

Here's the thing on Vick. You won't hear me or anybody else defend him. He did a despicable thing. But the guy paid his debt. Does he deserve a second chance? No. Nobody in this world deserves anything. But based on his abilities, he was given one. I don't really have a huge problem with that. The guy's trying to turn his life around. Does it erase what he did? No, and it never will.
Kudos for the post man, VERY real way of looking at the situation!^5

Don't think anyone will try to "defend" Vick's actions, but it's the people why try to "justify" what he did that annoy me.


Garcia's "who is worse" question is a prime example. He's not able to consider a person's MOTIVES, then separate their ACTIONS from the OUTCOME of those actions, which makes his arguments lame.
Like, who is worse:
#1 - A person who got drunk, drove his vehicle, and ran over a jaywalker, killing him.
#2 - Someone who harbors, funds and (possibly) takes part in the illegal fighting of dogs on his property, over a seven year period.

I think we all know people who have driven a car drunk, I don't know anybody who fights dogs.
We also, shouldn't ignore their actions after these events, one person calls 911 waits for the police and in the situation, does the "right thing". The other guy, DENIED it all for a month, until everyone rolled over on him and finally he was FORCED to admit his guilt.
(It saddens me to have to explain this crap, seriously.)

Jason in LA
09-29-2009, 11:26 PM
He got prison time for shooting himself.

He didn't go to jail for shooting himself. I don't see why people keep saying that. Kind of like people saying that Vick went to jail for killing dogs.

Jason in LA
09-29-2009, 11:29 PM
That is so ridiculously false it's absurd. It's neither a privilege nor a right.

If it were a privilege, guys would play the game for free. They'd be begging to play the game for free. They don't. The NFL is a job just like anything else. A highly paid job, but it's a job nonetheless, where they will hire the best candidate to fill the position of need. People always like to say "Oh if I did _____ at my job, I'd be fired on the spot." Maybe. But what if you were the top guy in your field? Biggest earner in your company, etc? Chances are the rules would be relaxed for you. It's all cost/benefit.

Here's the thing on Vick. You won't hear me or anybody else defend him. He did a despicable thing. But the guy paid his debt. Does he deserve a second chance? No. Nobody in this world deserves anything. But based on his abilities, he was given one. I don't really have a huge problem with that. The guy's trying to turn his life around. Does it erase what he did? No, and it never will.

I've always found it funny when people try to compare their job to a high profile job. People don't understand that the higher you get the more the rules change.

Really thinking about, a lot of the stuff that I get away with at my job, I'd be cut from a team for. ;D

Jason in LA
09-29-2009, 11:31 PM
I think people just need to get over it. He's legally eligible to play in the NFL, and somebody wanted him, so he has every right to be in the NFL. It's as simple as that. There is no reason to keep him out.

rastaman
09-30-2009, 06:16 AM
Dude, not to be rude but he has done nothing since his return. Maybe they should have had a half hour on how Kolbs (sp) put up 300 yard fresh off the bench.

Kolb hasn't been out of Football for 2 years and has had a couple of years to learn the Eagles offense and mentor under McNab! Thats a poor comparison.

Broncomutt
09-30-2009, 06:58 AM
I agree with Garcia on the cultural aspect. If you are raised to not see it as a crime or inhumane, you're not necessarily a person without conscience. Ask the millions of people in Spain who pack stadiums to watch a bull repeatedly speared until it slowly bleeds to death in the hot sun, "Hey, do you think this is wrong and inhumane?" They'll probably just tell you it's part of their heritage and that they are proud of it. I say that as the owner of 2 dogs and a proud Virginian myself.

I do believe he deserves a second chance at life, but I would have no problem with Goodell banning him from the NFL. The NFL doesn't have to give second chances and cultural or not, a crime is a crime, and Vick was guilty of several. He served his time and deserves to move on with his life. But if I ever saw him in my yard near my dogs, or my neighbors dogs, I would have a gun trained on him as fast as I would Osama Bin Laden.

And to you kooks that watch SportsCenter all day, Vick is contraversial, which means ratings. Of course they are going to throw his mug up on screen. I'm sure you watched happily as he marched into a courthouse everyday to take his punishment, now deal with it a few more days as he begins his redemption. If it bugs you that much, change the channel, read a book, or donate time to an animal rescue, like I do. Vick was never a good QB and he will fade into obscurity soon enough.

Rugby7
09-30-2009, 07:08 AM
****ing commie .....everyone in America deserves a second chance.he paid his debt to Society

Who did he pay his debt to? The owners of the stolen and murdered dogs?
The dogs he murdered because they weren't good enough at killing other dogs?

Second chance? This is not isolated incident. In this country you do not and should not get a second chance for EVERYTHING.

There is not a whole lot of grey area here. There is moral and immoral and you are on the wrong side of that line.

Garcia Bronco
09-30-2009, 07:29 AM
Who did he pay his debt to? The owners of the stolen and murdered dogs?
The dogs he murdered because they weren't good enough at killing other dogs?

Second chance? This is not isolated incident. In this country you do not and should not get a second chance for EVERYTHING.

There is not a whole lot of grey area here. There is moral and immoral and you are on the wrong side of that line.

He didn't steal any dogs as far as I know. Where did you see that?

TailgateNut
09-30-2009, 08:19 AM
He didn't steal any dogs as far as I know. Where did you see that?


Regardless of HOW he obtained his PREY. He KILLED them. He killed them by forcing them to fight to the death. By electrocution for non-performance, By drowning for non-performance, By beating for non-preformance.

He's SLIME.

To torture and kill domestic animals is an unexcuseable crime. And to do so for profit and enjoyment is just plain SICK and evil.

Fvck Mike Vick.

rastaman
09-30-2009, 08:29 AM
I agree with Garcia on the cultural aspect. If you are raised to not see it as a crime or inhumane, you're not necessarily a person without conscience. Ask the millions of people in Spain who pack stadiums to watch a bull repeatedly speared until it slowly bleeds to death in the hot sun, "Hey, do you think this is wrong and inhumane?" They'll probably just tell you it's part of their heritage and that they are proud of it. I say that as the owner of 2 dogs and a proud Virginian myself.

I do believe he deserves a second chance at life, but I would have no problem with Goodell banning him from the NFL. The NFL doesn't have to give second chances and cultural or not, a crime is a crime, and Vick was guilty of several. He served his time and deserves to move on with his life. But if I ever saw him in my yard near my dogs, or my neighbors dogs, I would have a gun trained on him as fast as I would Osama Bin Laden.

And to you kooks that watch SportsCenter all day, Vick is contraversial, which means ratings. Of course they are going to throw his mug up on screen. I'm sure you watched happily as he marched into a courthouse everyday to take his punishment, now deal with it a few more days as he begins his redemption. If it bugs you that much, change the channel, read a book, or donate time to an animal rescue, like I do. Vick was never a good QB and he will fade into obscurity soon enough.

Okay so which is it, you would train your gun on Vick b/c he's in you yard or b/c he's near you dogs? And how does Vick in your yard or near your dogs equilvalent to Osama Bin Hidden! Boy are you a little paranoid or what?

Vick deserves a second chance to play in the NFL period! He deserves to work at his given profession and it just so happens to be working as a professional athlete making millions of dollars and think thats what makes some people pissed and jealous. I wouldn't say its guaranteed that Vick will fade into obscurity but in the NFL players career don't last for very long b/c of the possibilty of season ending injury on any given play.

Eldorado
09-30-2009, 08:43 AM
Okay so which is it, you would train your gun on Vick b/c he's in you yard or b/c he's near you dogs? And how does Vick in your yard or near your dogs equilvalent to Osama Bin Hidden! Boy are you a little paranoid or what?

Vick deserves a second chance to play in the NFL period! He deserves to work at his given profession and it just so happens to be working as a professional athlete making millions of dollars and think thats what makes some people pissed and jealous. I wouldn't say its guaranteed that Vick will fade into obscurity but in the NFL players career don't last for very long b/c of the possibilty of season ending injury on any given play.

Why?

Broncomutt
09-30-2009, 09:26 AM
Okay so which is it, you would train your gun on Vick b/c he's in you yard or b/c he's near you dogs? And how does Vick in your yard or near your dogs equilvalent to Osama Bin Hidden! Boy are you a little paranoid or what?

Vick deserves a second chance to play in the NFL period! He deserves to work at his given profession and it just so happens to be working as a professional athlete making millions of dollars and think thats what makes some people pissed and jealous. I wouldn't say its guaranteed that Vick will fade into obscurity but in the NFL players career don't last for very long b/c of the possibilty of season ending injury on any given play.

It's a good thing I said Bin Laden and not Cutler, otherwise you might have really gotten bent out of shape.:unamused:

rastaman
09-30-2009, 09:57 AM
Why?

Because he has the talent to do so and he's paid his debt to society!! Thats why.

rastaman
09-30-2009, 10:01 AM
It's a good thing I said Bin Laden and not Cutler, otherwise you might have really gotten bent out of shape.:unamused:

Boo! Bin Hidden is coming for ya! Run and save yourself! Ensure your dogs for $1 million each.....just encase Vick and try to steal your dogs for his dog fight syndicate/enterprise!! I'm mean come on man.......:rofl:

Pick Six
09-30-2009, 10:02 AM
His team annihilated KC. That's my only concern, right now...:thumbs:

GoBroncos DownUnder
09-30-2009, 10:03 AM
Because he has the talent to do so and he's paid his debt to society!! Thats why.
Not arguing with you, just want to raise the point:
So Dante Stallworth should be back in the NFL?? - He also has "paid his debt to society!", he did his time for the crime he committed.

(It's not his fault the law for DUI is so freakin' horrendously lame.)

BroncoInSkinland
09-30-2009, 10:08 AM
I have two friends (one is a family member actually) who are Eagles fans. I usually get them something Eagles related for christmas. This year they are getting Broncos dog collars. I wouldn't care if Vick were on level with Joe Montana (IMHO he is far more online with Hannah Montana), he, and by proxy any team he is affiliated with, don't get any of my hard earned money.