In conclusion, most Dems on the Mane are ok with child prostitution?

[Bob]

Based on what has been stated by most, who can’t seem to say “ok, there are some evil folks in ACORN, they seem too corrupt to get fed funding.” I guess the fringe left here think it weakens your stance by distancing yourself from those groups like ACORN? Thank goodness your own party disagrees with the left of Socialist fringe.

While most conservatives here seem ok with saying Bush betrayed us on the border, on Medicaid part D, that he sold us out and that Larry Craig should loose his job. The Machiavellian political approach only does one thing: It takes We The People to the same place – all of us -- right and left, and grounded relivant folks to economic slavery, and in the end the Republic itself becomes unable to stand because the pillars which support it (us) lack the integrity to keep it.

It is a third grade argument to justify one’s behavior based on wicked behavior of another. The R’s and D’s if divided ensure that “they” shall not fall. Who are they? Every corrupt politician, that is in bed with huge international business, of both parties who’s intent it is to distract, deflect and turn our energy on each other while they steal our Liberties.

After they have stole it, you guys will still swat at the leaves of the problem, rather than address the root -- the roots which nourish the same damn tree...

[cutthemdown]

I don't get it, where does the prostitution come into it?

[Bob]

I don't get it, where does the prostitution come into it?

Several videos show two folks that went into several ACORN offices -- they posed as a prositute and her boyfreind, who said they wanted to buy a home, with ACORN's assistance, they also stated very clearly while talking with reps from ACORN that they planned on bring in several young teens from South America who would also work as prositutes out of this home under them. Several offices of ACORN were very willing to help and provided "tax" advice who they could get awy with breaking the law, including tax evasion. You havent seen the video clips? You are not alone as The Ministry of Truth is not broadcasting it...

[cutthemdown]

No i saw those clips I just can't jump buildings in leaps and bounds like you!!!!

All kidding aside its a stupid thing to defend acorn, but at same time it doesn't mean dems support child prostitution.

I guess it's because I actually took a debate class before. You are supposed to only use logical arguments that you back up with facts.

I'm not sure what you just did, but it ain't modus ponus that is for sure.

[Spider]

Based on what has been stated by most, who can’t seem to say “ok, there are some evil folks in ACORN, they seem too corrupt to get fed funding.” I guess the fringe left here think it weakens your stance by distancing yourself from those groups like ACORN? Thank goodness your own party disagrees with the left of Socialist fringe.

While most conservatives here seem ok with saying Bush betrayed us on the border, on Medicaid part D, that he sold us out and that Larry Craig should loose his job. The Machiavellian political approach only does one thing: It takes We The People to the same place – all of us -- right and left, and grounded relivant folks to economic slavery, and in the end the Republic itself becomes unable to stand because the pillars which support it (us) lack the integrity to keep it.

It is a third grade argument to justify one’s behavior based on wicked behavior of another. The R’s and D’s if divided ensure that “they” shall not fall. Who are they? Every corrupt politician, that is in bed with huge international business, of both parties who’s intent it is to distract, deflect and turn our energy on each other while they steal our Liberties.

After they have stole it, you guys will still swat at the leaves of the problem, rather than address the root -- the roots which nourish the same damn tree...

Wow .......you mean all of the sudden you have a problem with Pedophilia ?
http://www.armchairsubversive.org/ wow I guess a leopard can change it's spots ........ or are we dealing with a " it is ok as long as my side does it " thing here ?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Wow .......you mean all of the sudden you have a problem with Pedophilia ?
http://www.armchairsubversive.org/ wow I guess a leopard can change it's spots ........ or are we dealing with a " it is ok as long as my side does it " thing here ?

:laugh:

Better link 'em to the "Some Repubs' Idea of Family Values" thread for a refresher.

[TailgateNut]

:laugh:

Better link 'em to the "Some Repubs' Idea of Family Values" thread for a refresher.


First of all I don't condone child abuse of any nature. It is the most heinous of crimes and those who take advantage of our children shot just be SHOT or slowly beaten to death ON THE SPOT. No mental evaluation, no mental hospital. Period.

As far as tha actions of the dumbasses at Acorn are concerned. Charge them, and convict them to the full extent of the law.

[Rohirrim]

If I was a mod, I'd put this thread in the Butt where it belongs. Bob has become Glenn Beck's Mini-Me.

[TailgateNut]

If I was a mod, I'd put this thread in the Butt where it belongs. Bob has become Glenn Beck's Mini-Me.

Are you sure it's not him in the flesh. His takes are getting scary. Time to get him his personal straightjacket.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Based on what has been stated by most, who can’t seem to say “ok, there are some evil folks in ACORN, they seem too corrupt to get fed funding.” I guess the fringe left here think it weakens your stance by distancing yourself from those groups like ACORN? Thank goodness your own party disagrees with the left of Socialist fringe.

While most conservatives here seem ok with saying Bush betrayed us on the border, on Medicaid part D, that he sold us out and that Larry Craig should loose his job. The Machiavellian political approach only does one thing: It takes We The People to the same place – all of us -- right and left, and grounded relivant folks to economic slavery, and in the end the Republic itself becomes unable to stand because the pillars which support it (us) lack the integrity to keep it.

It is a third grade argument to justify one’s behavior based on wicked behavior of another. The R’s and D’s if divided ensure that “they” shall not fall. Who are they? Every corrupt politician, that is in bed with huge international business, of both parties who’s intent it is to distract, deflect and turn our energy on each other while they steal our Liberties.

After they have stole it, you guys will still swat at the leaves of the problem, rather than address the root -- the roots which nourish the same damn tree...

Sadly, the political landscape is such that whether one has an 'R' or a 'D' in front of their name, ALL live as if they have a 'M.R.' in front of their name--Moral Relativist. Rationalize unethical behavior, explain away repulsive behavior by telling us we REALLY didn't see it happen, and if all else fails, blame it on parents, poverty, upbringing, race, or lack of an equal playing field.

The ACORN issue is not a purely political issue--there are many Republicans who support ACORN as well. The ACORN issue is an issue of systemic corruption, ideological zeal, a willingness to operate without ethics, not caring who knows about it, and finally a total inability to be accountable. Organizations who are not genuinely accountable for their actions should not be given taxpayer money to continue those actions. Republican, Democrat, or Communist, this statement should be absolute.

[Bob]

No i saw those clips I just can't jump buildings in leaps and bounds like you!!!!

All kidding aside its a stupid thing to defend acorn, but at same time it doesn't mean dems support child prostitution.

I guess it's because I actually took a debate class before. You are supposed to only use logical arguments that you back up with facts.

I'm not sure what you just did, but it ain't modus ponus that is for sure.

My point is that some folks here on the left here still want to defend them, when what some of the offices were willing to do (and what illegal activties they have already done) I woudl think more here woudl be willing to take a stand against them. But yes, the title I put up intentionally is meant to demonstrate how crazy it is to continue to defend, what is indefensable.

An Indecent Proposal would have been ignored and ineffectual if discusting government abuses where illustrated only with Spock-like, emotionally detached aruments. I do state that the Dems party was willing to condemn -- but I am surprised when the right and left here make excuses for their own no matter what, and that type of thinking does hurt the Republic. The fringe (the 7%) here must feel like they have to defend what they would condemn, if the party lable was changed, does that make more sense?

[Bob]

First of all I don't condone child abuse of any nature. It is the most heinous of crimes and those who take advantage of our children shot just be SHOT or slowly beaten to death ON THE SPOT. No mental evaluation, no mental hospital. Period.

As far as tha actions of the dumbasses at Acorn are concerned. Charge them, and convict them to the full extent of the law.

Exactly, but in another thread -- folks were not stating what you have just said. Which I felt was really weird. Likewwise, I need to do a better job doing the same thing when the shoe is on the other foot.

[Bob]

Sadly, the political landscape is such that whether one has an 'R' or a 'D' in front of their name, ALL live as if they have a 'M.R.' in front of their name--Moral Relativist. Rationalize unethical behavior, explain away repulsive behavior by telling us we REALLY didn't see it happen, and if all else fails, blame it on parents, poverty, upbringing, race, or lack of an equal playing field.

The ACORN issue is not a purely political issue--there are many Republicans who support ACORN as well. The ACORN issue is an issue of systemic corruption, ideological zeal, a willingness to operate without ethics, not caring who knows about it, and finally a total inability to be accountable. Organizations who are not genuinely accountable for their actions should not be given taxpayer money to continue those actions. Republican, Democrat, or Communist, this statement should be absolute.

Very well said!

[Rohirrim]

My point is that some folks here on the left here still want to defend them, when what some of the offices were willing to do (and what illegal activties they have already done) I woudl think more here woudl be willing to take a stand against them. But yes, the title I put up intentionally is meant to demonstrate who crazy it is to continue to defend, what is indefensable.

An Indecent Proposal would have been ignored and ineffectual if discusting government behavors where conneceted only to "logical" emotionally detached aruments. I do state that the Dems party was willing to condemn -- but I am surprised when the right and left here make excuses for their own no matter what, and that type of thinking does hurt the Republic. The fringe (the 7%) here must feel like they have to defend what they would condemn, if the party lable was changed, does that make more sense?

If your inability to form a cogent sentence, not to mention the spelling, is any indication of your reasoning capabilities, I can see why you turn to a demagogue like Beck for guidance, much like my dog looks to me to open the door for him or give him a biscuit. Do you even realize that half the **** you post on here is incomprehensible? Take this sentence:

An Indecent Proposal would have been ignored and ineffectual if discusting government behavors where conneceted only to "logical" emotionally detached aruments.

I can grok that there is some kind of lame attempt here to somehow link your post to Swift's famous essay, but still, what does this sentence mean? The answer is, it means absolutely nothing (and that is only if we presume what some of these "words" might be intended to represent).

I actually watched your hero, Beck, yesterday. The whole show. I can see now how you basically attempt to mimic him like some kind of pathetic, trained seal. You do realize that what he is engaged in is just simple fear tactics and demagoguery, right?

Here's his basic schtick: Figuratively speaking, now - He takes a huge map of the U.S. and lays it out. Then, he plucks out a few towns and cities (this one called ACORN, and this one called the TIDES Foundation, and this one called Obama, etc.) and then he writes their names on his blackboard. Then, he looks at the big map and finds the roads that connect them. It's a rightard version of the Kevin Bacon game. Then, once he has scratched out the connections on his blackboard, he turns to his seals, like you, and says "See? It's all a giant conspiracy." And then you bark and clap your flippers and if you're good you get a herring. Get it?

I also found it interesting that even the commercials on that show are fear based: Buy gold, hire a private investigator, personal injury lawyer, and some of the health industry ads telling you how the socialists are destroying America. Good stuff. Bark, bark. ;D

[Bob]

If your inability to form a cogent sentence, not to mention the spelling, is any indication of your reasoning capabilities, I can see why you turn to a demagogue like Beck for guidance, much like my dog looks to me to open the door for him or give him a biscuit. Do you even realize that half the **** you post on here is incomprehensible? Take this sentence:

An Indecent Proposal would have been ignored and ineffectual if discusting government behavors where conneceted only to "logical" emotionally detached aruments.

I can grok that there is some kind of lame attempt here to somehow link your post to Swift's famous essay, but still, what does this sentence mean? The answer is, it means absolutely nothing (and that is only if we presume what some of these "words" might be intended to represent).

I actually watched your hero, Beck, yesterday. The whole show. I can see now how you basically attempt to mimic him like some kind of pathetic, trained seal. You do realize that what he is engaged in is just simple fear tactics and demagoguery, right?

Here's his basic schtick: Figuratively speaking, now - He takes a huge map of the U.S. and lays it out. Then, he plucks out a few towns and cities (this one called ACORN, and this one called the TIDES Foundation, and this one called Obama, etc.) and then he writes their names on his blackboard. Then, he looks at the big map and finds the roads that connect them. It's a rightard version of the Kevin Bacon game. Then, once he has scratched out the connections on his blackboard, he turns to his seals, like you, and says "See? It's all a giant conspiracy." And then you bark and clap your flippers and if you're good you get a herring. Get it?

I also found it interesting that even the commercials on that show are fear based: Buy gold, hire a private investigator, personal injury lawyer, and some of the health industry adds telling you how the socialists are destroying America. Good stuff. Bark, bark. ;D

Maybe I should use the spell check...sorry

But your difficulty in understanding what I am saying most likely has more to do with your concrete thinking. The irony (in my opinion) is that you will suddenly “see” this stuff, when Romney or (fill in the blank here _ _ _ _ _) gets elected and inherits additional executive powers. Will it be too late then? Will it be too late to influence a bloated government that it has to operate under Constitutional limits, respect our traditions, and live within its means? I hope not, and if not I will likely find myself on your side. Until rant away, and strike at the leaves of the problem.

[Smiling Assassin27]

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[Bronx33]

lmao! priceless!

[cutthemdown]

I agree bob that any Democrat or Republican still thinking ACORN should be having anything to do with govt money or voter registration is crazy.

Acorn is a crap organization that obviously employees a lot of stupid people with low character, ethics, and common decency.

They don't deserve any money from the govt and any person that uses some other corruption to say this corruption should be tolerated is a total idiot.

I mean you don't get caught on tape helping people plan crimes and launder money and still get a govt check to do good in the neighborhood!!!

It's a total joke and the people on those tape seem about as smart to me as a rock. I mean who in there right mind would take any advice from the dumb ACORN people in those videos?

If you need those tools for advice you might as well slit your wrists and run a warm bath.

[cutthemdown]

Even LABF has to love that Rangel video!!!! Oh man that was funny but it could have been even funnier.

[rastaman]

I agree bob that any Democrat or Republican still thinking ACORN should be having anything to do with govt money or voter registration is crazy.

Acorn is a crap organization that obviously employees a lot of stupid people with low character, ethics, and common decency.

They don't deserve any money from the govt and any person that uses some other corruption to say this corruption should be tolerated is a total idiot.

I mean you don't get caught on tape helping people plan crimes and launder money and still get a govt check to do good in the neighborhood!!!

It's a total joke and the people on those tape seem about as smart to me as a rock. I mean who in there right mind would take any advice from the dumb ACORN people in those videos?

If you need those tools for advice you might as well slit your wrists and run a warm bath.

I saw a tape of two dumb women advising people who falsely represented that they were engaged in a criminal enterprise. Do you seriously expect anyone to believe that ACORN advocates this? The bogus criminals apparently were run out of other ACORN offices. What does that tell you?

We will probably learn it wasn't even an ACORN office or that the corrupt employees were also hired actresses but for sure ACORN does not advocate this. Even Beck knows that the majority of his followers will buy this and judge the whole organization on those two idiots.

[rastaman]

Sadly, the political landscape is such that whether one has an 'R' or a 'D' in front of their name, ALL live as if they have a 'M.R.' in front of their name--Moral Relativist. Rationalize unethical behavior, explain away repulsive behavior by telling us we REALLY didn't see it happen, and if all else fails, blame it on parents, poverty, upbringing, race, or lack of an equal playing field.

The ACORN issue is not a purely political issue--there are many Republicans who support ACORN as well. The ACORN issue is an issue of systemic corruption, ideological zeal, a willingness to operate without ethics, not caring who knows about it, and finally a total inability to be accountable. Organizations who are not genuinely accountable for their actions should not be given taxpayer money to continue those actions. Republican, Democrat, or Communist, this statement should be absolute.

Here's the irony, if you have one (or 5) republicans who get caught committing adultery, does that mean the Republican party is wholly corrupt? Yeah, I kind of thought you would not think that was the case.

If you go to 4 offices, and 3 of the offices throw you out on your butt, whereas 2 people at one office go along with your scheme, it suggests the organization is not corrupt but rather some of its workers are.

Every organization has its share of employees who, when given the opportunity, will reveal themselves to be corrupt or stupid. By Fox only reporting on the one case and ignoring the three other cases, it is deliberately working to create a false image that somehow the Acorn organization rather than two individual employees was responsible and condones this type of behavior.

And, it is possible, that these women at Acorn thought these two people were crazy and just went along with it but had no intention of aiding them with anything--as indeed, Acorn affirms that they did not file or do anything on behalf of these people. Maybe, as disappointing as it seems, they just wanted to see if they could get $120 from these crazy people to join Acorn but never would have helped them with this obviously harebrained idea.

They did not find an ACORN office willing to help them commit crimes, tax fraud, and slavery--they found two people working at an ACORN office willing to help them commit crime, tax fraud, and slavery.

[cutthemdown]

I saw a tape of two dumb women advising people who falsely represented that they were engaged in a criminal enterprise. Do you seriously expect anyone to believe that ACORN advocates this? The bogus criminals apparently were run out of other ACORN offices. What does that tell you?

We will probably learn it wasn't even an ACORN office or that the corrupt employees were also hired actresses but for sure ACORN does not advocate this. Even Beck knows that the majority of his followers will buy this and judge the whole organization on those two idiots.

Yeah but they also had big fraud in the voter registration sign up. Once again tons of Acorn employees being less then honest. It's a pattern that disturbs people beyond partisan politics.

The fact some offices should better character doesn't forgive the overall lack of oversight this organization has. They obviously don't know what is going on from one office to the next. IMO they don't deserve govt money for that reason.

Now if private citizens want to fund them I have zero problem with that. It's a free country and you can give your money to who you think deserves it, or keep it for yourself. I could never see myself donating to ACORN when places like CITY OF HOPE need money to cure Leukemia.

Rasta do you give to charity. And don't lie because you know in the rasta religion honesty is irie. Do you want to hear about stuff like this after giving money away to someone to do good?

Whatever you want to think in any job I have ever had the company goes over what they expect as far as integrity, work ethic, honesty, and most of all what is legal. I worked 15 yrs in a bank. I worked 3 yrs LA Public Defender. I know about being on the record and putting your name next to something that says I give my word this is accurate, legal, and complies with the ethics of my profession.

If you can't understand those things then I can't help you. You will just have to grow a little older and learn a little more about what is right and what is wrong.

And please no speech about the war or something you think repubs did that was worst. Like its been said many times, that's know what to form your character, or determine what you feel is just.

[cutthemdown]

Acorn is a shoddily run organization who now is probably like a dying cow in the desert. The vulture reporters will now be digging into everything to do with Acorn. Money will stop coming in and they will probably end up out of business.

Go ahead though Ratsa , be a good democrat and send them some of your errrr, I mean your dads hard earned money.

[rastaman]

Acorn is a shoddily run organization who now is probably like a dying cow in the desert. The vulture reporters will now be digging into everything to do with Acorn. Money will stop coming in and they will probably end up out of business.

Go ahead though Ratsa , be a good democrat and send them some of your errrr, I mean your dads hard earned money.

Insults aside, you need the smoking memo. Without it you have NOTHING. Let me explain: unless there is an employee manual which told those two ladies how to operate when dealing with pimps and prostitutes or there was a memo from the head office titled "In Re: Pimps And Prostitutes Buying Homes" you have nothing!

You can hate ACORN all you want but it won't change the fact that they helped get Obama elected by going into the ghetto and registering Dem to vote.

[cutthemdown]

I agree they got Obama elected. I just disagree they should be using any of my money to do it.

[rastaman]

My point is that some folks here on the left here still want to defend them, when what some of the offices were willing to do (and what illegal activties they have already done) I woudl think more here woudl be willing to take a stand against them. But yes, the title I put up intentionally is meant to demonstrate how crazy it is to continue to defend, what is indefensable.

An Indecent Proposal would have been ignored and ineffectual if discusting government abuses where illustrated only with Spock-like, emotionally detached aruments. I do state that the Dems party was willing to condemn -- but I am surprised when the right and left here make excuses for their own no matter what, and that type of thinking does hurt the Republic. The fringe (the 7%) here must feel like they have to defend what they would condemn, if the party lable was changed, does that make more sense?


First let me say, that the two Acorn people should be fired, and if the prosecutor want to file charges, fine with me.

What I find to be repulsive about the right wing crackpots is of course they want to indict the whole organization. You know guilt by association.

By that standard, all republican senators cheat on their wives. After all since 5% (2 out 40, Vitter and Ensign) it must be true. Don't know how many people are employed by Acorn, but I'm guessing two people represent far less than 5%

How about a doctor scamming medicare, all doctors must be scamming medicare.

Since the vast majority of serial killers are white, all white people must be serial killers.

The reason I brought up the last one, and tried to make it as ridiculous as I could, is the guilty by association is always reserved for the minorities in this country, especially by the right wing crackpots.

[cutthemdown]

It's not the first thing with Acorn. You aren't mentioning the widespread voter registration fraud.

[cutthemdown]

And actually also the City of San Diego has an ongoing investigation into voter fraud by Acorn as we speak. It's not just one little incident with these guys.

In any even Rasta can stay on board because he doesn't matter. He has no money to give them, he isn't running for office. Like all of us we can speak our minds without political fallout.

Even Barny Frank bailing on ACORN.

[rastaman]

I agree they got Obama elected. I just disagree they should be using any of my money to do it.

Why? These allegations will be investigated. In the end, it will probably have as much validation as the FEMA concentration camps.

Truth is, ACORN is the target for the right wingers.

[rastaman]

And actually also the City of San Diego has an ongoing investigation into voter fraud by Acorn as we speak. It's not just one little incident with these guys.

In any even Rasta can stay on board because he doesn't matter. He has no money to give them, he isn't running for office. Like all of us we can speak our minds without political fallout.

Even Barny Frank bailing on ACORN.

Okay Cutty ya come with the insults thats all good....I'm a grown man and I easily ignore it. However, ya want to bring VOTER FRAUD as if only ACORN has participated in this endeavor. Yet you and your ilk cowardly and conveniently ignore that GOP operatives have caged and purged millions of non-Republican voters. Last time I checked ACORN did not cage and purge millions of known Republican voters......HAVE THEY!:thumbs:

[cutthemdown]

Okay Cutty ya come with the insults thats all good....I'm a grown man and I easily ignore it. However, ya want to bring VOTER FRAUD as if only ACORN has participated in this endeavor. Yet you and your ilk cowardly and conveniently ignore that GOP operatives have caged and purged millions of non-Republican voters. Last time I checked ACORN did not cage and purge millions of known Republican voters......HAVE THEY!:thumbs:

I didn't insult you I included myself in the group with you. Re-read it. My point is you can still support because you don't have to worry about fallout. The dems though in office can't do that. They have no choice but to abandon ACORN and cut the money off.

Also do you see an investigation by the city of SD as nothing? Or does that cities laws not matter because too many republicans live there?

Like I said i have no problem with ACORN trying to sign up only democratic voters. I just don't want to pay for it. I support the govt cutting them off.

You can't argue for govt money for an organization that is partisan and using the money to do voter registration fraud.

Churches are different because the money Bush gave them was for charities that had nothing to do with politics.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

First of all I don't condone child abuse of any nature. It is the most heinous of crimes and those who take advantage of our children shot just be SHOT or slowly beaten to death ON THE SPOT. No mental evaluation, no mental hospital. Period.

As far as tha actions of the dumbasses at Acorn are concerned. Charge them, and convict them to the full extent of the law.

Agreed.

Gotta chuckle, however, at the righties who act like they occupy some sort of high moral ground here. Maybe they haven't read Spider's notorious thread?

[rastaman]

I didn't insult you I included myself in the group with you. Re-read it. My point is you can still support because you don't have to worry about fallout. The dems though in office can't do that. They have no choice but to abandon ACORN and cut the money off.

So are you saying the Dems will abandon ACORN despite the fact ACORN itself informed state officials about the questionable registrations collected by its employees that are now under investigation.

The fact is ACORN has been a target for the GOP for years because they work to register voters in some of the “not so well off” neighborhoods, and the GOP doesn’t want those people to vote. Some ACORN employees did improper things and they were fired. A couple thousand fraudulent registrations are under investigation, out of 1.3 million! It is sad that these employees have tainted the election process, however, election fraud has gone on with BOTH SIDES for decades. This is not new, and it shouldn’t even be news.


Also do you see an investigation by the city of SD as nothing? Or does that cities laws not matter because too many republicans live there?

Republican Operatives conducted illegal caging and purging NATION wide and SD resident voters were purged and caged as well.

Like I said i have no problem with ACORN trying to sign up only democratic voters. I just don't want to pay for it. I support the govt cutting them off.

You can't argue for govt money for an organization that is partisan and using the money to do voter registration fraud. Churches are different because the money Bush gave them was for charities that had nothing to do with politics.

Actually Churches today that cross the line of the seperation of "Church and State" should lose its "Tax Exemption" status.

[tnedator]

No i saw those clips I just can't jump buildings in leaps and bounds like you!!!!

All kidding aside its a stupid thing to defend acorn, but at same time it doesn't mean dems support child prostitution.

I guess it's because I actually took a debate class before. You are supposed to only use logical arguments that you back up with facts.

I'm not sure what you just did, but it ain't modus ponus that is for sure.

Not to defend the liberals on this site, because most are beyond defense, but I would be willing to wager a lot that all or nearly all, would NOT support child prostitution.

This argument, that Dems on the Mane support child prostitution, because they defend Acorn, is like saying all Catholics support child molestation, because they are still members of the church.

If people could get past trying to tear each other down, it might be possible for meaningful discussions to take place --- not only on the Mane, but in Washington as well.

[Bronx33]

I saw a tape of two dumb women advising people who falsely represented that they were engaged in a criminal enterprise. Do you seriously expect anyone to believe that ACORN advocates this? The bogus criminals apparently were run out of other ACORN offices. What does that tell you?

We will probably learn it wasn't even an ACORN office or that the corrupt employees were also hired actresses but for sure ACORN does not advocate this. Even Beck knows that the majority of his followers will buy this and judge the whole organization on those two idiots.


Hired actresses? spin away kid! I will tell you i expect a company getting millions of our dollars to be in control of all it's outlets and to know what the **** is going on. I call them regional managers i wonder if acorn has one cause any competent manager wouldn't have hire those dimwits in the first place heck one killed her husband you would think that would showed up in a background check ROFL!

[rastaman]

Hired actresses? spin away kid! I will tell you i expect a company getting millions of our dollars to be in control of all it's outlets and to know what the **** is going on. I call them regional managers i wonder if acorn has one cause any competent manager wouldn't have hire those dimwits in the first place heck one killed her husband you would think that would showed up in a background check ROFL!

How many lines of coke did you snort before you posted this comment! ROFL!

[Bob]

Actually Churches today that cross the line of the seperation of "Church and State" should lose its "Tax Exemption" status.

I may not be so far off from you on this point, but the devil is in the detail -- first, who would decide? And wouldnt it depend who was in charge in government at the time, which groups would be targeted? In my church, they never endorse a politican, and if a church does that they have perhaps gone too far. I will add that the tax laws have been used in the past as a weapon against those the government didint like, and have given a pass to ceratin elite folks -- the elf in charge of the treasury comes to mind.

[Bob]

First let me say, that the two Acorn people should be fired, and if the prosecutor want to file charges, fine with me.

What I find to be repulsive about the right wing crackpots is of course they want to indict the whole organization. You know guilt by association.

By that standard, all republican senators cheat on their wives. After all since 5% (2 out 40, Vitter and Ensign) it must be true. Don't know how many people are employed by Acorn, but I'm guessing two people represent far less than 5%

How about a doctor scamming medicare, all doctors must be scamming medicare.

Since the vast majority of serial killers are white, all white people must be serial killers.

The reason I brought up the last one, and tried to make it as ridiculous as I could, is the guilty by association is always reserved for the minorities in this country, especially by the right wing crackpots.

I hear you, but see this differently. In a top down organization, if those at the bottom, exhibited a willingness to turn a blind eye – to just about anything. I wonder why? If institutionally, something is wrong higher up and if my money is going to a origination like this one, yes, I have a problem with it. Not to offend, but when the Catholic church had quite a few catholic priests molesting kids – I did not instantly think The Pope was evil, as I don’t. But I did think that the way they were organized allowed for bad things to happen – there was way too much autonomy at minimum, and they needed to oversite. I think after awhile, the church was able to confront it better, and I hope that it will never happen again.

In ACORN’s case, as they are partially government funded, to do a good thing – get out votes, they should be equally representing getting out the vote in poor UTAH communities, and rural communities just as hard as they do in inner city Detroit. Also, when they were exposed for what some lower level folks did, they now have decided to go after the young folks who exposed them of corruption – so, if funded by the government, my money is again being used to intimidate those of a different political view, instead of looking inwardly and getting rid of the cancer within itself.

[Bob]

Hired actresses? spin away kid! I will tell you i expect a company getting millions of our dollars to be in control of all it's outlets and to know what the **** is going on. I call them regional managers i wonder if acorn has one cause any competent manager wouldn't have hire those dimwits in the first place heck one killed her husband you would think that would showed up in a background check ROFL!

wow, hes one blinded dude...

[Bob]

Not to defend the liberals on this site, because most are beyond defense, but I would be willing to wager a lot that all or nearly all, would NOT support child prostitution.

This argument, that Dems on the Mane support child prostitution, because they defend Acorn, is like saying all Catholics support child molestation, because they are still members of the church.

If people could get past trying to tear each other down, it might be possible for meaningful discussions to take place --- not only on the Mane, but in Washington as well.

My point, is just that -- that dems would not support such a thing, but the small minority here, have been very slow to condemn an orginzation with such a high level of corruption -- and they should standup to it, just like how many conservtives here (lately) have been willing to admit fault, and ratt out leaders in our own party.

[TailgateNut]

My point, is just that -- that dems would not support such a thing, but the small minority here, have been very slow to condemn an orginzation with such a high level of corruption -- and they should standup to it, just like how many conservtives here (lately) have been willing to admit fault, and ratt out leaders in our own party.

They framed/caught two workers who were stupid as hell, not the whole damn organization. How many muscles do you pull when you reach so far?

[Rohirrim]

They framed/caught two workers who were stupid as hell, not the whole damn organization. How many muscles do you pull when you reach so far?

I guess by that logic, the entire Republican Party is a bunch of pedophiles chasing after page boys and giving secret BJs in airport bathrooms.

[Bronx33]

I guess by that logic, the entire Republican Party is a bunch of pedophiles chasing after page boys and giving secret BJs in airport bathrooms.

Well disagreeing with the presidents policies makes us racist so yes they all dems stalk elementary schools when they are not cramming bills through legislation :clown:

[Bob]

They framed/caught two workers who were stupid as hell, not the whole damn organization. How many muscles do you pull when you reach so far?

My understanding is that there were several offices that did not say peep, and were looking for ways to help them get money to setup prostutution of young teens. I think we are at 4 offices? There are a few more, that are being held up, under threat of prosecution. I can think of two office locations off the top of my head -- DC and Baltimore.

[cutthemdown]

ACORN is done getting public money that much is for sure.

[Rohirrim]

ACORN is done getting public money that much is for sure.

Well, that solves where that $53 million is going. Now, if we could just nail down the billions we are hemorrhaging, we'd be getting somewhere.

[Bob]

Why? These allegations will be investigated. In the end, it will probably have as much validation as the FEMA concentration camps.

Truth is, ACORN is the target for the right wingers.

They are going to have an internal investigation, by their own board, and when one looks at who's on thier own board, I dont think they will be looking very hard....

[TailgateNut]

My understanding is that there were several offices that did not say peep, and were looking for ways to help them get money to setup prostutution of young teens. I think we are at 4 offices? There are a few more, that are being held up, under threat of prosecution. I can think of two office locations off the top of my head -- DC and Baltimore.

Proof of "your understanding"? I did have a hard time typing "you" and "understanding" in the same sentence.:wiggle: