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cutthemdown
09-22-2009, 10:07 PM
You know they said Mcfadden a prototype for that. Bush would seem the good compliment.

I heard a few times in offseason they had a wildcat package. But we haven't seen it in any games.

Is there any chance Raiders try something sneaky like that?

If they aren't they should because Russell cant throw the football. Anything to change it up could be a smart move.

Lev Vyvanse
09-22-2009, 10:19 PM
You know they said Mcfadden a prototype for that. Bush would seem the good compliment.

I heard a few times in offseason they had a wildcat package. But we haven't seen it in any games.

Is there any chance Raiders try something sneaky like that?

If they aren't they should because Russell cant throw the football. Anything to change it up could be a smart move.

Russell might do more damage lined up wide and blocking. Luckily after two plays he would be so gassed he'd have to sit out the rest of the half.

TheDave
09-22-2009, 10:21 PM
The raiders have been picking physical freaks in the top of the draft for over a decade... If they ever got their **** together they could run anything they wanted too.

Lets all hope for another season of them not having their **** together.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-22-2009, 10:51 PM
You know they said Mcfadden a prototype for that. Bush would seem the good compliment.

I heard a few times in offseason they had a wildcat package. But we haven't seen it in any games.

Is there any chance Raiders try something sneaky like that?

If they aren't they should because Russell cant throw the football. Anything to change it up could be a smart move.

McFadden was the first "wildcat" QB. It was actually called the "wild hog" and originated in Arkansas. It was the only way to get McFadden, Felix Jones, and Peyton Hillis in the same backfield. Plus, it got Mitch Mustain / Casey Dick off the field. The more you know...

Mr. Elway
09-22-2009, 10:55 PM
If they do, chances are they will **** it up.

BroncoMan4ever
09-22-2009, 11:22 PM
Bush is the back that worries me most in regards to what the Raiders can throw at us.
he is big, powerful and has decent speed.

cutthemdown
09-22-2009, 11:26 PM
McFadden was the first "wildcat" QB. It was actually called the "wild hog" and originated in Arkansas. It was the only way to get McFadden, Felix Jones, and Peyton Hillis in the same backfield. Plus, it got Mitch Mustain / Casey Dick off the field. The more you know...

So then you sort of see that possibility like me?

I think Raiders could run a good Wildcat with Bush as the bruiser, Mcfadden as the speed.

Spider
09-22-2009, 11:33 PM
the bruiser not so much worried about , it is the scat back , or speed that has me worried . I am just not sure we are that comfortable in the 3-4 to deal with a small fast back yet ......

Broncos4Life
09-22-2009, 11:47 PM
the bruiser not so much worried about , it is the scat back , or speed that has me worried . I am just not sure we are that comfortable in the 3-4 to deal with a small fast back yet ......

Right. Our D just handled two bruisers. You add a little more speed to that and I'm still not worried. What I'm worried about is the combo of runners they have. They can really mix it up on us with the running game.

Spider
09-22-2009, 11:53 PM
Right. Our D just handled two bruisers. You add a little more speed to that and I'm still not worried. What I'm worried about is the combo of runners they have. They can really mix it up on us with the running game.

Yeah , I agree .........

ZONA
09-23-2009, 12:07 AM
I imagine we will probably do the same thing on D that we have been doing. With the secondary we have and the lack of a true passing game from the Raiders, we will be putting 7 in the box all day long, with the occasion 8th person coming in on run blitz here and there.

Benson just got done shredding GB for like 150 yards but we shut him down completely.

I think Bush & McFadden will end up with some decent numbers but not enough to take over the game and make up for the lack of a good passing game from them.

I'm gonna say it's a close game but I think Orton continues to throw away passes when nothing is there while Jamarcus will force things and we'll get a pick or two from him.

Broncos 20
Raiders 16

Raider Bill
09-23-2009, 05:58 AM
If I was Cable, I would run my 2 minute offense the entire game. Louis Murphy has been seaming DB's in both games.

Ugly Duck
09-23-2009, 06:33 AM
Cable isn't a wildcat kinda guy. Simple man defense. Dumbed-down offense so his QB doesn't get confused.

cmhargrove
09-23-2009, 06:57 AM
They also just lost Gallery for the season, so their interior O-line could be a little sketchy. I like Cooper Carlisle, but he was never a huge pile driver at Guard.

So, I think that if we can contain McFadden around the end, we will do fine. Hopefully, we can pull ahead early and Elvis gets to tee off again.

_Oro_
09-23-2009, 07:00 AM
With Gallery out we may see DJ come up the middle unblocked.

cmhargrove
09-23-2009, 07:37 AM
With Gallery out we may see DJ come up the middle unblocked.

I am a DJ supporter, and he is making another good transitiion for the fourth time in his short career, however - the dude needs to learn how to blitz. I'm sorry, but for all the "great athlete" talk, he just doesn't know how to split defenders and break through the line like a freight train. He always draws some contact and slows down.

I think he needs to go back to some of his RB skills, and practice driving through a tackle or something. He could be good for 1-2 sacks (or 3rd down stops) a game if he would just drop the hammer. Maybe someone needs to loan him a hammer first?

Orange_Beard
09-23-2009, 07:39 AM
They will run the FAT CAT.

DeuceOfClub
09-23-2009, 08:07 AM
McFadden is probably a better QB than JeFatAss.

Karenin
09-23-2009, 08:18 AM
McFadden was the first "wildcat" QB. It was actually called the "wild hog" and originated in Arkansas. It was the only way to get McFadden, Felix Jones, and Peyton Hillis in the same backfield. Plus, it got Mitch Mustain / Casey Dick off the field. The more you know...

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

College

The modern version of the Wildcat was first used by the Kansas State University Wildcats with Michael Bishop as quarterback in 1997 and 1998 when they made a run at the top of the national rankings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcat_formation

Seriously, why do you think they called it the "Wildcat?"

gyldenlove
09-23-2009, 08:53 AM
The wild cat is dead in the NFL.

Mcfadden is fast, but running the wild cat against a defense with good lateral speed and solid contain OLBs is just suicidal. The NFL has caught on and found a way to stop the wild cat, I think almost every team in the league has a few defensive plays they run when they detect wild cat now.

We saw the same thing with the option play some years ago in Atlanta, Vick came out and ran the option and tore a few teams apart that way, the NFL adjusted and by midseason it was gone.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-23-2009, 09:01 AM
Do you ever get tired of being wrong?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcat_formation

Seriously, why do you think they called it the "Wildcat?"

Karen

aside from your obvious obsession with me, you should preview the links used to support your argument. Especially when the first paragraph comletely owns you. Maybe consider that Bishop was a quarterback as well...

The point of the discussion was the potential of mcfadden running a wildcat variant. My point being that the modern variant -- the version employed by the dolphins for example -- was founded around mcfadden at Arkansas for reasons already stated... so of course he can operate in that capacity. Explain how that is wrong, and find a new hero while you're at it.

Beantown Bronco
09-23-2009, 09:17 AM
Benson just got done shredding GB for like 150 yards but we shut him down completely.

We certainly did much better than Green Bay, but 76 rushing yards and a TD to go along with 30 something receiving yards? I wouldn't exactly call that "shutting him down completely." Unless you think 1,200 rushing yards to go along with 16 TDs and 500 receiving yards for a full season are crappy numbers for a running back.

Beantown Bronco
09-23-2009, 09:18 AM
The wild cat is dead in the NFL.



I know at least one person that missed the Miami/Indy game the other night.

Karenin
09-23-2009, 09:43 AM
McFadden was the first "wildcat" QB.

The modern version of the Wildcat was first used by the Kansas State University Wildcats with Michael Bishop as quarterback

Stick to what you do best, making wildly inaccurate predictions about how long players are going to be out with injuries. Maybe it's time to spend less time on message boards and more time studying human anatomy.

bronco militia
09-23-2009, 10:12 AM
the raiders could have drafted Phillip Rivers, Big Ben, or Jay Cutler but instead waited for Jamarcus Russel.

sweet!

WolfpackGuy
09-23-2009, 10:24 AM
The Wildcat was about the only thing Denver could stop last year.
But then again, you didn't exactly have to trick the 2008 Broncos defense.

Lev Vyvanse
09-23-2009, 10:30 AM
Stick to what you do best, making wildly inaccurate predictions about how long players are going to be out with injuries. Maybe it's time to spend less time on message boards and more time studying human anatomy.

Michael Bishop was a QB. McFadden was not a QB. Are you starting to get his point now?

Pony Boy
09-23-2009, 10:44 AM
The Wild Hog gave birth to the Wild Cat ................

McFadden ran the Wild Hog ................. Just the facts , I don't care about any single wing history lesson or a K-State QB We are talking modern version ..........

Dr. Broncenstein
09-23-2009, 11:38 AM
Stick to what you do best, making wildly inaccurate predictions about how long players are going to be out with injuries. Maybe it's time to spend less time on message boards and more time studying human anatomy.

Right... so the fact that you are completely owned in every facet on this point -- even by the wiki link you posted in your weak ad hominem -- somehow makes me a poor physician. There is an orginal attempt. If I'm so wildly innacurate, search the forum and show the actual posts you are referring to.

Tell you what... I frequently have people of various levels of education observing my operations. You have an open invitation to come to my hospital to observe any case you like. I'm deadly serious. I would recommend some type of laparoscopic case, as you would be able to watch everything on a video monitor. I can send you a PM with the adress and directions to the hospital, and you can stand in the OR and watch all the surgery you want. I have to dumb down the anatomical discussion for nursing students and high school kids, so I could certainly keep it within your realm of understanding. I'll even go as far as to promise not to pimp you with any questions during the surgery... so I don't make a fool of you offline as well. This invitation stands for anyone else who is interested.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-23-2009, 11:45 AM
Michael Bishop was a QB. McFadden was not a QB. Are you starting to get his point now?

"In the initial version of the Wildcat used in college football by Arkansas (later adapted
by other college and pro teams), the "Base Wildcat" is an unbalanced set with a
guard, an eligible tight end, and a slot receiver on one side of center, and a guard,
two tackles next to each other, another receiver, and quarterback on the other side. In
"Speed Sweep", the lefthand slot receiver (often a running back) is handed to while
sweeping. In "QB Counter", the hand off is faked, and the one taking the snap (usually
a running back) runs in the opposite direction with the ball. In "Split Zone", a basic
inside zone run is used with the one taking the snap running directly upfield or cutting."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcat_formation

This exact quote... from the wiki link Karen used to again obsess about me....

Raider Bill
09-23-2009, 11:47 AM
Cable isn't a wildcat kinda guy. Simple man defense. Dumbed-down offense so his QB doesn't get confused.

I don't know, he coached in the Mountain West conference. I'm sure he has a few gimmicks up his sleeve..

TailgateNut
09-23-2009, 11:50 AM
I don't know, he coached in the Mountain West conference. I'm sure he has a few gimmicks up his sleeve..

Maybe punching the opposing coaching staff.:rofl:

jhns
09-23-2009, 11:56 AM
I'm not so sure they will considering how hard it is for them to run their normal offense. Different/new formations and plays will not help that. Although, maybe it would since you take their QB out of the play.

Also, we had the wildcat offense run on us like 4 times for -15 yards last season. It seems to be the one formation Slowiks schemes actually stopped. So at least Nolan could steal the game tape to see how. I know DJ stopped it in the backfield a couple of times. He seemed to sniff it out real well. I'm not to worried about people trying it on us.

Bronx33
09-23-2009, 12:15 PM
The question is could the raiders/ jamarcus russell effectively run the wildcat against us..

uplink
09-23-2009, 12:37 PM
How about the broncos running the wildcat with Royal, wasn't he a High School QB?
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Rock Chalk
09-23-2009, 01:01 PM
I dont see the Raiders scoring more than a FG or two.

I dont see how people are thinking the Raiders are going to put up numbers. Just stack the box and force Russell to beat you and I gaurantee you that we win handily.

Mountain Bronco
09-23-2009, 01:32 PM
Says the doctor who makes medical diagnostics from the TV screen....

_Oro_
09-23-2009, 02:04 PM
The wild cat is dead in the NFL.

Mcfadden is fast, but running the wild cat against a defense with good lateral speed and solid contain OLBs is just suicidal. The NFL has caught on and found a way to stop the wild cat, I think almost every team in the league has a few defensive plays they run when they detect wild cat now.

We saw the same thing with the option play some years ago in Atlanta, Vick came out and ran the option and tore a few teams apart that way, the NFL adjusted and by midseason it was gone.

The wildcat just tore up the Colts. Speaking of the Colts, why the hell did they take Coyer as their d-coord? Wasn't he our coord. when they ripped us in the playoffs. Forgive me if I'm wrong or this has already been discussed to death.

cutthemdown
09-23-2009, 03:03 PM
I don't know, he coached in the Mountain West conference. I'm sure he has a few gimmicks up his sleeve..

IMO both Broncos and Raiders will have something new the team hasn't been doing. More then likely certain plays have been run to give the other team film on those plays. Now you run the variation off that play that you haven't run yet this yr.

That's how it is with Broncos/Raiders they hate each other!!!!! Shannahan always had something up his sleeve for AL. And IMO Cable might even try and get tricky.

Remember this is the coach who tried to doa fake fg where the holder flicked ball to Jano to try and run for a first down!!! MMMMM didn't work to well but he tried it.

Jason in LA
09-23-2009, 03:30 PM
After looking at the stats from the Raiders/KC game, I'd say that they should. As I was going over the stats I was wondering how the Chiefs lost that game. I was thinking that they must have lost the turnover battle. Sure enough they did. 2 turnovers to none.

Russel just sucks. Seeing how good the Broncos D is playing, they better come up with something better than letting him drop back to pass.

If the Raiders do have that package, the Broncos better be telling their ends to contain that outside. The Colts were killed by it because the ends kept crashing inside, leaving the outside wide open.