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prunch
09-21-2009, 11:29 PM
from the renowned experts on their lofty perches ... post em as you find em'

Sporting News

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2009-09-22/nfl-power-poll-real-tests-await-broncos

Despite sitting 25th in the current power poll, the Broncos continue to be one of the league's most intriguing teams.

Denver's defense has allowed 13 points in two games.
After an offseason of turmoil and controversy, they are 2-0, sitting alone atop the AFC West. The Broncos needed a miraculous deflected pass in Week 1 to beat the Bengals, 12-7. But holding the Bengals to seven point looks more impressive in light of Cincinnati's' 31-24 victory in Week 2 against the Packers. In Week 2, the Broncos pounded the Browns, 27-6, as Denver defensive end Elvis Dumervil recorded four sacks.

Has new Broncos defensive coordinator Mike Nolan transformed the Broncos into one of the league's most improved defensive teams? Or are the Browns bad enough to make any defense look good?

It is difficult to go crazy over the Broncos just yet, even if they go 3-0 by winning at the Raiders this week. Check out the Broncos' October-November schedule: Cowboys, Patriots, at Chargers, at Ravens, Steelers, at Redskins, Chargers, Giants. That gauntlet will reveal the Broncos' true identity.

Meanwhile, that sound you hear could be the Steelers, Patriots and Eagles all tumbling down the power poll. All were losers in Week 2, so the deck has been seriously shuffled.

1. Giants (last week: 3). Another clutch performance by Eli Manning puts them atop the NFC East and this poll.

2. Colts (9). So far, Peyton Manning has made coping without Tony Dungy look routine.

3. Falcons (12). Home cooking has been good to them. Now, they face a road test at New England.

4. Vikings (7). We will find out more about this team, and the 49ers, when they meet Sunday.

5. Ravens (5). Their offense has become more diverse. Ray Lewis still looks young.

6. Steelers (1). They are unlikely to hit their stride again until Troy Polamalu returns.

7. Patriots (4). Lack of a consistent running game is making life more difficult for Tom Brady.

8. Saints (11). Drew Brees is an early favorite for league MVP. Their offense looks machine-like.

9. Eagles (2). Michael Vick finally will get to play Sunday, but the player they need most is Donovan McNabb.

10. Chargers (8). They need LaDainian Tomlinson back to help them in the running game and red zone.

11. Jets (14). Rex Ryan can talk, but he can also coach defense. Mark Sanchez should run for mayor.

12. Bears (16). Beating the Steelers was huge, but Jay Cutler must keep the momentum going.

13. 49ers (18). They lead the NFC West and have a chance to start 3-0 for the first time since 1998.

14. Titans (6). Starting 0-2 is concerning. Their game at the Jets on Sunday is one they need badly.

15. Cowboys (10). Talent keeps them from falling too far, but Tony Romo's mistakes remain troubling.

16. Packers (13). The regular season has been a reality check. Aaron Rodgers is taking too many hits.

17. Cardinals (19). How Kurt Warner fares vs. the Colts' pass rush will be interesting Sunday night.

18. Texans (22). Talk of their demise was premature, and their next two games are at home.

19. Seahawks (23). Matt Hasselbeck's health is a concern, as is their lack of offensive playmakers.

20. Dolphins (20). A brutal early-season schedule might put them into a hole too deep to escape.

21. Bengals (28). Winning at Lambeau was a huge lift. Cedric Benson has resurrected his career.

22. Redskins (17). Unless the offense shows more firepower, this will not be a pleasant season.

23. Bills (21). So much of what happens to them this season depends on Trent Edwards' development.

24. Panthers (15). The powerful running game that carried them last season has not materialized.

25. Broncos (27). Yes, they are 2-0. But one victory was a miracle. The other was against the Browns.

26. Jaguars (24). Their pass rush is weak, and their quarterback is struggling. Not a good combo.
27. Raiders (25). The win over the Chiefs was ugly. But the game-winning drive was encouraging.
28. Browns (30). Wonder if the Jets regret firing Eric Mangini? I'm guessing no.
29. Buccaneers (25). As long as the penalties and poor defense continue, so will the losses.
30. Chiefs (29). Matt Cassel wishes he could have brought Randy Moss and Wes Welker to Kansas City.

31. Lions (31). There are signs that things are improving. That tells you how bad things were.

32. Rams (32). Steven Jackson deserves a better supporting cast. His best years are being wasted.

lazarus4444
09-21-2009, 11:46 PM
Well, at least we're not in last place like we were when it started (I believe we were in last). One week at a time though. Raider week coming and we'll still get no respect for beating them but we are ready to show the nation what we can do.

Blart
09-21-2009, 11:54 PM
21. Bengals

Over

25. Broncos

haha

Caveat Lector
09-22-2009, 12:25 AM
Pro Football Weekly

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2009/09/22/week-three-power-rankings

1. New York Giants: First major win for Eli without Plax even bigger than it seems.

2. Pittsburgh Steelers: Narrow loss on road doesn't tarnish them in our eyes.

3. Baltimore Ravens: We hear you, Ray Lewis. You're still among game's best.

4. Minnesota Vikings: Took some time to get going, but once it did, no stopping A.P.

5. New Orleans Saints: Brees and Co. not tired of cruising on (Big) Easy Street.

6. Indianapolis Colts: Defense couldn't stop Dolphins, but Peyton did his thing.

7. New England Patriots: Brady looked flustered vs. Jets' "organized chaos."

8. Atlanta Falcons: Hard to stop when air, ground games both are clicking.

9. New York Jets: Numbers nothing special, but Sanchez's command sure is.

10. Dallas Cowboys: Hey, at least the stadium's all it's cracked up to be.

11. Philadelphia Eagles: Kolb will be the fall guy, but this one on Philly's "D."

12. San Diego Chargers: Bolts no longer L.T.'s team; torch officially passed to Rivers.

13. Chicago Bears: Huge win. No, HUGE win.

14. Green Bay Packers: Once again, we learn preseason hype means nothing.

15. San Francisco 49ers: Hill? Smith? Doesn't much matter with this defense.

16. Tennessee Titans: Not the way Super Bowl hopefuls laid out the blueprint.

17. Arizona Cardinals: Fitting that Warner tosses NFL's all-time most accurate game.

18. Denver Broncos: Maybe there is something to this McDaniels kid, after all.

19. Houston Texans: This just in: Chris Johnson is fast.

20. Seattle Seahawks: Wallace just simply no replacement for Hasselbeck.

21. Washington Redskins: Got to learn how to stick it in the endzone.

22. Cincinnati Bengals: Character win for Cats. Yeah, the Bengals have character.

23. Buffalo Bills: Offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt's tremendous work deserves praise.

24. Carolina Panthers: Delhomme buys himself another week.

25. Miami Dolphins: We'll reserve judgment until the division slate.

26. Oakland Raiders: Won in spite of Russell, McFadden, Heyward-Bey.

27. Jacksonville Jaguars: Offense shows life. Defense barely puts up fight.

28. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Leftwich at least putting up rock-star stats.

29. Kansas City Chiefs: You knew it was going to take time, Pioli.

30. St. Louis Rams: Rams hope progress is measured by more than wins and losses.

31. Detroit Lions: Outscored Vikings ... for first half.

32. Cleveland Browns: Cavaliers season is just around corner.

watermock
09-22-2009, 12:30 AM
32. Cavaliers.

18 is allright considering.

Oakland next. Boy howdy!

SonOfLe-loLang
09-22-2009, 08:34 AM
The "miracle" in cincinnati wasn't some rules loophole where we scored 56 pts on one touchdown. Believe it or not, there was 59:40 minutes of football prior to that. The shortsightedness of conversation is ridiculous

scorpio
09-22-2009, 08:50 AM
FoxSports.com

21 Broncos

NO WORRIES: Josh McDaniels = Super Genius! You were on the bandwagon all summer long, right Broncos fans? OK, maybe not, but a 2-0 start certainly eases the mind, as does a defense that's allowed only 13 points in two games.

TIME TO WORRY: Those two games were against the Bengals and Browns. As a reminder, the state of Ohio has never won a Super Bowl and won just eight games combined in 2008.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/powerRankings

Old Dude
09-22-2009, 09:04 AM
It's a really good thing that the pro playoff system doesn't depend on polls.


Tell you one thing, though. It's always a good sign when the team you just played plunges to the bottom spot.

Beantown Bronco
09-22-2009, 09:04 AM
So, according to the Sporting News rankings, we will face 7 of the top 10 teams this season. Excellent.

bpc
09-22-2009, 09:06 AM
I still don't really consider that Bengals win a miracle. Our defense shut them out until a minute left to go. We deserved that win more than them and hey, it fell in our favor.

2-0.

Mountain Bronco
09-22-2009, 09:10 AM
18 is probably about right. We got wins that in past years we might not have gotten, but they were all Ohio teams......

TailgateNut
09-22-2009, 09:15 AM
It's a really good thing that the pro playoff system doesn't depend on polls.


Tell you one thing, though. It's always a good sign when the team you just played plunges to the bottom spot.

That''s a "loaded" statement.

RE; those experts who rate the teams and make all of those predictions at the beginning of the season.

Who can recall any of them ever being right and running their mouth at the end of the season?

ward63
09-22-2009, 09:19 AM
We'd go 16-0 and they'd still have like 2 NFC East teams, Colts and Patriots ahead of us.

outdoor_miner
09-22-2009, 09:33 AM
21 Broncos

NO WORRIES: Josh McDaniels = Super Genius! You were on the bandwagon all summer long, right Broncos fans? OK, maybe not, but a 2-0 start certainly eases the mind, as does a defense that's allowed only 13 points in two games.

I don't care about Power Polls, but this quote pisses me off... I saw Jamie Dukes say something similar a few weeks ago where he was claiming to "defend" Broncos fans because they deserved better than what McDaniels was doing to the team. As if all Broncos fans were running around ready to jump off cliffs from the offseason. Yes, it was tumultuous, and yes some fans were negative. However, many others remained positive with the team's direction.

He's acting like all of the fans did not believe in the team. If the Broncos do well, it will be a miracle that nobody could have predicted, and anyone who says otherwise is a liar. Bull****. The media is already preparing a little CYA in case the Broncos do good this year. Not even the fans thought they would be good!

Mr. Elway
09-22-2009, 09:49 AM
Their full weekly rankings aren't published yet, but here is Football Outsiders "quick reads" (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2009/week-2-quick-reads) excerpt on Orton:

5. Kyle Orton DEN 19/37 263 1 0 122 126 -4
Here's something to keep in mind about Kyle Orton. Before he suffered an ankle injury last year, his DVOA was an impressive 18.5%. Afterwards? It fell all the way to -22.5%. His finger injury has cost him some accuracy so far this year, leading to stretches like the 1-for-9 ordeal of this week's second quarter, but he finished strong: His last seven attempts included six completions for 134 yards and five first downs.

GoBroncos DownUnder
09-22-2009, 09:58 AM
We'd go 16-0 and they'd still have like 2 NFC East teams, Colts and Patriots ahead of us.
LOL Yep!!!! LOL

IMO - that 16-0 season would still rank us behind the Steelers. At #6 I'd say!Hilarious!

Gcver2ver3
09-22-2009, 10:13 AM
21. Bengals

Over

25. Broncos

haha

this was all that needs to be said...

Sporting News = FAIL....

Bronco LB52
09-22-2009, 10:15 AM
I would bet everything that I have that the Broncos are better than the Redskins.

ZONA
09-22-2009, 11:08 AM
I still don't really consider that Bengals win a miracle. Our defense shut them out until a minute left to go. We deserved that win more than them and hey, it fell in our favor.

2-0.

Oh yeah, we all know that. The phantom holding call on Casey was an absolute disgrace of a call. Buck had taken that ball into their redzone and we were looking at 1st and 10 and would have sealed the deal with either a TD or an extremely short FG.

In my eyes, it's a lagit 2-0

TailgateNut
09-22-2009, 11:10 AM
I would bet everything that I have that the Broncos are better than the Redskins.


I'd prefer to go into every game as the stinkin' underdog. It fires up the team, and keeps BF7 happy.:~ohyah!:

Greatspirits
09-22-2009, 11:24 AM
http://fanrankings.nfl.com/picks/expert_picks

prunch
09-22-2009, 11:36 AM
I like this guy!!

http://thebiglead.com/?p=21790

NFL Power Rankings: Week 2 (http://thebiglead.com/?p=21790)

NFL (http://thebiglead.com/?cat=6) Cap Rooney (http://thebiglead.com/?author=6113) September 22nd. 2009, 12:30pm http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RYxb_l-rbTI/SNE5GJb4izI/AAAAAAAAAt0/xB-81EgFuaE/s320/the_power_snap.jpgPeter King has his Fine Fifteen, ESPN has its own composite power rankings, and the legendary Dr. Z’s weekly power rankings were a must-read until he was stricken silent by a stroke last year. So, why can’t TBL get in on the fun? Here’s the second installment of the 2009 NFL in-season power rankings:
1. New York Giants (2-0): They were clearly outplayed by the Cowboys, their running game never really got going and that vaunted defense allowed 257 rushing yards (that’s almost ‘06 Colts bad (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-2792061.html)). This is a team with clear flaws, yet they found a way to win. That’s what great teams do. Are this year’s Giants a great team? Let’s check back around week 10 …
http://thebiglead.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mark_sanchez.jpg (http://thebiglead.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mark_sanchez.jpg)2. Baltimore Ravens (2-0): The Ravens’ run defense is still stout, giving up only 2.5 yards per carry against the Chargers, but their secondary is beyond putrid. Philip Rivers is great, but he shouldn’t be throwing for 400 yards on an “elite” defense. The Ravens won this one by committing fewer penalties, turnovers and gaffes in the red zone.
3. New Orleans Saints (2-0): It was easy to dismiss their throttling of the Lions, but a road dismantling of the Eagles is difficult to ignore. The Saints’ offense is going to put up points all year. Air, ground, whatever - they’re scoring. But lost amid the Drew Brees TD show (http://www.seattlepi.com/scorecard/nflnews.asp?articleID=239708) is that the Saints’ secondary allowed a backup QB to pass for 378 yards. Nitpicking? Sure.
4. Indianapolis Colts (2-0): You could basically copy and paste the number one ranked team’s description in here, but let’s put a little more effort into it. No team in the past 32 years has ever had the ball for less than 15 minutes and been victorious - until last night. The Colts’ defense has a lot of problems, and a knee injury to defensive captain Gary Brackett will only make them more pronounced. Sunday night: a trip to Arizona to take on Kurt Warner, Larry Fitz, and the rest of the Cardinals’ aerial assault. Gulp.
http://thebiglead.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/jeff-reed-charged-arrested.jpg (http://thebiglead.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/jeff-reed-charged-arrested.jpg)5. Minnesota Vikings (2-0): Look at the big arm on Brett! How about that 5.7 YPA, huh? It sure thrilled the aging white dudes in the media. Nike’s (http://thebiglead.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/jeff-reed-charged-arrested.jpg)Killer Croc (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message882593/pg1) laid it on the turf again. Sweet. The Vikings messed around and still managed to beat the Lions by two scores a week after dispatching the ‘Ginas. Here at the home offices of the Reasonable Fan we’re nonplussed.
6. Pittsburgh Steelers (1-1): Jeff Reed needs this hair (http://www.footblog.com/images/jeff_reed_krtphotoslive340928-SPORTS-FBN-SUPE.jpg)back. The Champs let one slip away on the road, as a surprising number of pundits predicted they might. Tyrone Carter is no Troy P. No ****, right? Great insight, Cap! And for at least one day, Cutler was > Big Ben.
7. New York Jets (2-0): Here’s how the Jets won: they consistently pushed Brady off his spot in the pocket, even though they never sacked him. Brady threw behind, over the heads and under the knees of his receivers. He threw 47 passes for only 216 yards. His longest completion was a 29-yarder that was a Welker-esque YAC job from Julian Edelman. And they held the Patriots to just 5-for-15 on third-down conversions. So far, Ryan’s implementation of the Raven model has gone as smooth as it possibly could’ve.
http://thebiglead.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/dorsey.jpg (http://thebiglead.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/dorsey.jpg)8. Atlanta Falcons (2-0): Leave it to the Dirty Birds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X47_FliKqLY) to make Jake Delhere’stheball look presentable. Well, up until that last-minute, red zone INT that killed any chance of a Panthers’ comeback. Matt Ryan completed 21-of-27 passes and continued to make the Falcons look like geniuses for passing on Glenn Dorsey.
9. New England Patriots (1-1): Eleven penalties for 89 yards. Less than 20 yards per kickoff return. Less than two yards per punt return. A net punting average of just 36.5 yards. Those were the numbers that sunk the Pats in the Meadowlands. And, no, Brady’s 4.6 YPA didn’t help matters, either.
10. Philadelphia Eagles (1-1): Jeez, Kolb throws three picks and Eagles fans have already started a petition (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/788608269). Please to ignore the massive yardage total Kolb ended up with; most of that was garbage time fodder.
11. San Francisco 49ers (2-0): So, maybe the Seahawks weren’t as good as we all (okay, namely me) thought? We know Frank Gore’s the ****. More than 200 yards on only 12 carries. But still, Shaun Hill under center? In the words of Seth Meyers, really? (http://www.hulu.com/watch/56636/saturday-night-live-really-michael-phelps)
http://thebiglead.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/knowmoreno.jpg (http://thebiglead.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/knowmoreno.jpg)12. Dallas Cowboys (1-1): The Cowboys should be 2-0. Jerry Jones should be picking a winner right now (http://www.sportsrubbish.com/2009/09/20/football/nfl/jerry-jones-caught-picking-his-nose-at-new-cowboys-stadium-video/), instead of a loser. But Tony Romo’s three interceptions were too much to overcome on the night the Bio-Jones (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115683/) was unveiled. We’ve seen this movie before.
13. Green Bay Packers (1-1): How did the Packers lose to the Bengals? One, they ran out of time. Two, they were 6-for-13 on third down and the Bengals were 9 for 14, which is why they had the ball for 34 minutes to the Packers’ 26.
14. Chicago Bears (1-1): We didn’t mean anything we said (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-18-sports-menu-lede-sep18,0,7179187.story), Big Jay! What are the odds we could see a Good Rex/Bad Rex redux with Cutler? Seeing as how Cutler is several times more talented and isn’t a spokesman for this organization (http://www.forsmallhands.com/store/), I think the Bears might be okay at the QB position.
15. San Diego Chargers (1-1): DT Jamal Williams was placed on IR (http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/09/19/chargers-dt-williams-out-for-season-with-elbow-injury/). That’s all you really need to know here.
16. Denver Broncos (2-0): Raise your hand if you thought there’d be a point this season where Josh McDaniels would have twice as many wins as Bill Belichick? Oh, **** off.
http://thebiglead.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/belichickgf.jpg (http://thebiglead.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/belichickgf.jpg)17. Buffalo Bills (1-1): How do the Bills handle the return of Marshawn Lynch in two weeks, with Fred Jackson currently channeling Bo Jackson? Good problem to have. And with the Bills’ and Jets’ performances the first two weeks of this young season, maybe we shouldn’t hang that AFC East banner in Foxboro just yet. Yeah right, they only hang Super Bowl banners and “we went 16-0″ banners.
18. Arizona Cardinals (1-1): Rich Eisen with the early frontrunner for joke of the year Sunday night: “Kurt Warner completed 92 percent of his passes, which is interesting because he’s 92 years old.” That’s why the ladies fight over him (http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/bikin_mails_rattle_tv_wife_Oxm55W3KtxD0TV0JfxrAzK) , people.
19. Cincinnati Bengals (1-1): Ochocinco got to do (http://thebiglead.com/?p=21697) what he said he was going to do. What a disgusting act. Outrage!
20. Houston Texans (1-1): Is the Jets’ defense really that good? Judging by the first two weeks, yes. The Texans may have saved their season Sunday, outlasting the Titans in Nashville, and now we can all stop saying all those bad things about Matt Schaub.
http://thebiglead.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/jaycutler1.jpg (http://thebiglead.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/jaycutler1.jpg)21. Tennessee Titans (0-2): There’s plenty of time to right this ship, so long as they throw Nick Harper overboard first. The Titans’ defensive backfield had three of its’ members selected to the Pro Bowl last season. Let’s just say their families should be glad they got to go to Hawaii when the game was still played there. Michael Griffin, I’m looking in your general direction.
22. Seattle Seahawks (1-1): You’d think all those Myoplex shakes (http://www.easme.com/protips/matthasselbeck.asp) would have put a little more meat around Matt Hasselbeck’s ribs. Thankfully for him, the NFC west is guano (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guano)and the Seahawks still have as good a shot as anybody to win it.
23. Oakland Raiders (1-1): JaMarcus Russell should not be a starting QB in the NFL. The Raiders can continue shoving him down their fans’ throats in the hopes of justifying the draft pick they invested in him, but it’s just not happening.
24. Washington Redskins (1-1): Was the Redskins’ 9-7 win over the Rams worse than last year’s Bengals-Eagles tie (also known as “the worst NFL game ever played”)? Don’t ask me, I didn’t watch it. There was no scoring in the final 20 minutes of regulation, the teams combined to go 1-for-7 in the red zone, and despite all that there were somehow only six punts in the game.
25. Miami Dolphins (0-2): For the first 56 minutes of Monday night’s game, the Dolphins executed their gameplan to perfection. Unfortunately, those last four minutes were the variety that may haunt them the rest of the season.
http://thebiglead.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/john_elway_and_actress_paige_green.jpg (http://thebiglead.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/john_elway_and_actress_paige_green.jpg)26. Carolina Panthers (0-2): The Panthers should’ve beaten the Falcons Sunday. When Football Outsiders’ weekly DVOA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_Outsiders) comes out, it’ll probably say the same. Looking at the numbers, it’s hard to figure out how the Panthers came up short. Oh yes, their QB threw his INT with the game winding down and his team driving for the tying score, while the other team’s QB got his INT out of the way earlier. Sometimes, it’s all about timing.
27. Jacksonville Jaguars (0-2): Over/under on games Del Rio has left as the Jaguars’ head coach: three.
28. Kansas City Chiefs (0-2): Not often will you see a team that racks up 400 total yards lose to a team that can’t even come up with half that. But the Chiefs managed it Sunday, and not even their Succop kicker (http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2009/aug/12/chiefs-counting-succop/) could save them.
29. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (0-2): Only Byron Leftwich could throw for nearly 300 yards with three touchdowns and still end up with a QB rating less than 75. The guy’s a magician (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhnYPecc1YE).
30. St. Louis Rams (0-2): Text message we received Sunday: “The Redskins beat the Rams with field goals? Just another reason they need to move the team back to Los Angeles.”
31. Detroit Lions (0-2): That 10-0 lead the Lions held over the Vikings in the first half yesterday? Cruel tease. Especially for anyone who believed the false prophets who were predicting a Lions upset. That Adrian Peterson guy ain’t half bad when he’s not fumbling (http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/59948687.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD 3aPc:_Yyc:aUUsZ), is he?
32. Cleveland Browns (0-2): Blown out by the Vikings? Understandable. Blown out by the Doncos? Less so. If the Mankok regime doesn’t pop some Extenze (http://imgsrv.wfan.com/image/wfan/UserFiles/Image/BoomerCarton%20/July09/extenze.jpg) soon, the Browns could be staring the number one overall pick in the face. Luckily for them, it’ll be in an uncapped year. Also … Ndamukong Suh (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3242/3015211207_cf8b7daf10.jpg).

Mr. Elway
09-22-2009, 11:41 AM
http://fanrankings.nfl.com/picks/expert_picks

lol -Thiesmann hates us.

TonyR
09-22-2009, 11:42 AM
21. Denver Broncos: Has any current NFL player become less significant more quickly than Brandon Marshall?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AspkpFo8Eu84qUJD6Jo2LT85nYcB?slug=ms-32question092209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Greatspirits
09-22-2009, 12:42 PM
lol -Thiesmann hates us.

Whatever! He's a loser. He even picked us to lose last week!

gyldenlove
09-22-2009, 12:42 PM
How are the Vikes number 4? they have played the Lions and Browns, if the reason we are number 25 is that we have played poor teams then how are the Vikes that high?

Rock Chalk
09-22-2009, 01:03 PM
How are the Vikes number 4? they have played the Lions and Browns, if the reason we are number 25 is that we have played poor teams then how are the Vikes that high?

Pre-conceived notions.

The Vikings were supposed to be good.

The Broncos weren't.

Greatspirits
09-22-2009, 01:15 PM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings?year=2009&week=3

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ward63
09-22-2009, 01:18 PM
I don't care if they don't give us respect. If we go into the bye week 4-2 or 5-1, we still won't be in the top 10.

oubronco
09-22-2009, 01:23 PM
How are the Vikes number 4? they have played the Lions and Browns, if the reason we are number 25 is that we have played poor teams then how are the Vikes that high?

That is the Favre nuthuggin club at its finest

Mr. Elway
09-22-2009, 02:11 PM
Still too early to draw conclusions from this, but our DVOA numbers are good on offense and defense, and bad on special teams:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2009/week-2-dvoa-ratings

maher_tyler
09-22-2009, 06:08 PM
Seattle LOSES and moves up 4 spots and the team we beat the previous week moves ahead of us 4 spots!!

:notworthy

Like someone said..the Vikes played the Lions and Browns and are #4...someone needs to put the pipe down and step away!!

gunns
09-22-2009, 06:18 PM
from the renowned experts on their lofty perches ... post em as you find em'

Sporting News

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2009-09-22/nfl-power-poll-real-tests-await-broncos

Despite sitting 25th in the current power poll, the Broncos continue to be one of the league's most intriguing teams.

Denver's defense has allowed 13 points in two games.
After an offseason of turmoil and controversy, they are 2-0, sitting alone atop the AFC West. The Broncos needed a miraculous deflected pass in Week 1 to beat the Bengals, 12-7. But holding the Bengals to seven point looks more impressive in light of Cincinnati's' 31-24 victory in Week 2 against the Packers. In Week 2, the Broncos pounded the Browns, 27-6, as Denver defensive end Elvis Dumervil recorded four sacks.

Has new Broncos defensive coordinator Mike Nolan transformed the Broncos into one of the league's most improved defensive teams? Or are the Browns bad enough to make any defense look good?

It is difficult to go crazy over the Broncos just yet, even if they go 3-0 by winning at the Raiders this week. Check out the Broncos' October-November schedule: Cowboys, Patriots, at Chargers, at Ravens, Steelers, at Redskins, Chargers, Giants. That gauntlet will reveal the Broncos' true identity.

Meanwhile, that sound you hear could be the Steelers, Patriots and Eagles all tumbling down the power poll. All were losers in Week 2, so the deck has been seriously shuffled.

1. Giants (last week: 3). Another clutch performance by Eli Manning puts them atop the NFC East and this poll.

2. Colts (9). So far, Peyton Manning has made coping without Tony Dungy look routine.

3. Falcons (12). Home cooking has been good to them. Now, they face a road test at New England.

4. Vikings (7). We will find out more about this team, and the 49ers, when they meet Sunday.

5. Ravens (5). Their offense has become more diverse. Ray Lewis still looks young.

6. Steelers (1). They are unlikely to hit their stride again until Troy Polamalu returns.

7. Patriots (4). Lack of a consistent running game is making life more difficult for Tom Brady.

8. Saints (11). Drew Brees is an early favorite for league MVP. Their offense looks machine-like.

9. Eagles (2). Michael Vick finally will get to play Sunday, but the player they need most is Donovan McNabb.

10. Chargers (8). They need LaDainian Tomlinson back to help them in the running game and red zone.

11. Jets (14). Rex Ryan can talk, but he can also coach defense. Mark Sanchez should run for mayor.

12. Bears (16). Beating the Steelers was huge, but Jay Cutler must keep the momentum going.

13. 49ers (18). They lead the NFC West and have a chance to start 3-0 for the first time since 1998.

14. Titans (6). Starting 0-2 is concerning. Their game at the Jets on Sunday is one they need badly.

15. Cowboys (10). Talent keeps them from falling too far, but Tony Romo's mistakes remain troubling.

16. Packers (13). The regular season has been a reality check. Aaron Rodgers is taking too many hits.

17. Cardinals (19). How Kurt Warner fares vs. the Colts' pass rush will be interesting Sunday night.

18. Texans (22). Talk of their demise was premature, and their next two games are at home.

19. Seahawks (23). Matt Hasselbeck's health is a concern, as is their lack of offensive playmakers.

20. Dolphins (20). A brutal early-season schedule might put them into a hole too deep to escape.

21. Bengals (28). Winning at Lambeau was a huge lift. Cedric Benson has resurrected his career.

22. Redskins (17). Unless the offense shows more firepower, this will not be a pleasant season.

23. Bills (21). So much of what happens to them this season depends on Trent Edwards' development.

24. Panthers (15). The powerful running game that carried them last season has not materialized.

25. Broncos (27). Yes, they are 2-0. But one victory was a miracle. The other was against the Browns.

26. Jaguars (24). Their pass rush is weak, and their quarterback is struggling. Not a good combo.
27. Raiders (25). The win over the Chiefs was ugly. But the game-winning drive was encouraging.
28. Browns (30). Wonder if the Jets regret firing Eric Mangini? I'm guessing no.
29. Buccaneers (25). As long as the penalties and poor defense continue, so will the losses.
30. Chiefs (29). Matt Cassel wishes he could have brought Randy Moss and Wes Welker to Kansas City.

31. Lions (31). There are signs that things are improving. That tells you how bad things were.

32. Rams (32). Steven Jackson deserves a better supporting cast. His best years are being wasted.

The Pats and Steelers above the Saints? The Colts at #2. I won't even mention the Broncos at 25. Media hype at it's finest

gunns
09-22-2009, 06:20 PM
I don't care if they don't give us respect. If we go into the bye week 4-2 or 5-1, we still won't be in the top 10.

Agreed. These lists are only good for a laugh. I don't care where they put us, we're 2-0 on top of the West, that's where I want to be.

maher_tyler
09-22-2009, 06:21 PM
The Pats and Steelers above the Saints? The Colts at #2. I won't even mention the Broncos at 25. Media hype at it's finest

The Pats could go 0-16 and still be in the top 10. If it weren't for a fumble, the Pats would be sitting at 0-2..wonder where they'd be ranked then!! These polls are dumb...we won't be anywhere near the top 10 until we beat a "meaningful" team!!

Captain Bronco
09-22-2009, 06:52 PM
Personally, I feel most comfortable when the Broncos get shafted by the media. Maybe it's because we're more dangerous when flying under the radar. Maybe it's because I've developed such a persecution mentality that I view media harassment as inevitable.

At any rate, I would like to point out a couple things: (1) The media shifted its view of the Bengals and Browns. Before the games started, it was "The Broncos don't have a chance at beating the mighty [insert Ohio team]." Then after we dominated play and won, it became, "Sure the Broncos won, but they were only playing the [insert Ohio team]." We just can't get any love.

(2) Keep in mind that most of these "experts" are merely players-turned-broadcaster. All this means is that they are athletic, and they like to talk (example: Jamie Dukes, Teddy Bruschi, Rodney Harrison, Keyshawn Johnson). It does not mean that they have any clue what they are talking about. I think the polls are evidence enough of that.

Boobs McGee
09-22-2009, 11:04 PM
**** em, that's what I say. I like underdog stories more anyway. The longer we're under the radar, the better.

Mr.Meanie
09-23-2009, 07:45 AM
from the renowned experts on their lofty perches ... post em as you find em'

Sporting News

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2009-09-22/nfl-power-poll-real-tests-await-broncos

Despite sitting 25th in the current power poll, the Broncos continue to be one of the league's most intriguing teams.

Denver's defense has allowed 13 points in two games.
After an offseason of turmoil and controversy, they are 2-0, sitting alone atop the AFC West. The Broncos needed a miraculous deflected pass in Week 1 to beat the Bengals, 12-7. But holding the Bengals to seven point looks more impressive in light of Cincinnati's' 31-24 victory in Week 2 against the Packers. In Week 2, the Broncos pounded the Browns, 27-6, as Denver defensive end Elvis Dumervil recorded four sacks.

Has new Broncos defensive coordinator Mike Nolan transformed the Broncos into one of the league's most improved defensive teams? Or are the Browns bad enough to make any defense look good?

It is difficult to go crazy over the Broncos just yet, even if they go 3-0 by winning at the Raiders this week. Check out the Broncos' October-November schedule: Cowboys, Patriots, at Chargers, at Ravens, Steelers, at Redskins, Chargers, Giants. That gauntlet will reveal the Broncos' true identity.

Meanwhile, that sound you hear could be the Steelers, Patriots and Eagles all tumbling down the power poll. All were losers in Week 2, so the deck has been seriously shuffled.

1. Giants (last week: 3). Another clutch performance by Eli Manning puts them atop the NFC East and this poll.

2. Colts (9). So far, Peyton Manning has made coping without Tony Dungy look routine.

3. Falcons (12). Home cooking has been good to them. Now, they face a road test at New England.

4. Vikings (7). We will find out more about this team, and the 49ers, when they meet Sunday.

5. Ravens (5). Their offense has become more diverse. Ray Lewis still looks young.

6. Steelers (1). They are unlikely to hit their stride again until Troy Polamalu returns.

7. Patriots (4). Lack of a consistent running game is making life more difficult for Tom Brady.

8. Saints (11). Drew Brees is an early favorite for league MVP. Their offense looks machine-like.

9. Eagles (2). Michael Vick finally will get to play Sunday, but the player they need most is Donovan McNabb.

10. Chargers (8). They need LaDainian Tomlinson back to help them in the running game and red zone.

11. Jets (14). Rex Ryan can talk, but he can also coach defense. Mark Sanchez should run for mayor.

12. Bears (16). Beating the Steelers was huge, but Jay Cutler must keep the momentum going.

13. 49ers (18). They lead the NFC West and have a chance to start 3-0 for the first time since 1998.

14. Titans (6). Starting 0-2 is concerning. Their game at the Jets on Sunday is one they need badly.

15. Cowboys (10). Talent keeps them from falling too far, but Tony Romo's mistakes remain troubling.

16. Packers (13). The regular season has been a reality check. Aaron Rodgers is taking too many hits.

17. Cardinals (19). How Kurt Warner fares vs. the Colts' pass rush will be interesting Sunday night.

18. Texans (22). Talk of their demise was premature, and their next two games are at home.

19. Seahawks (23). Matt Hasselbeck's health is a concern, as is their lack of offensive playmakers.

20. Dolphins (20). A brutal early-season schedule might put them into a hole too deep to escape.

21. Bengals (28). Winning at Lambeau was a huge lift. Cedric Benson has resurrected his career.

22. Redskins (17). Unless the offense shows more firepower, this will not be a pleasant season.

23. Bills (21). So much of what happens to them this season depends on Trent Edwards' development.

24. Panthers (15). The powerful running game that carried them last season has not materialized.

25. Broncos (27). Yes, they are 2-0. But one victory was a miracle. The other was against the Browns.

26. Jaguars (24). Their pass rush is weak, and their quarterback is struggling. Not a good combo.
27. Raiders (25). The win over the Chiefs was ugly. But the game-winning drive was encouraging.
28. Browns (30). Wonder if the Jets regret firing Eric Mangini? I'm guessing no.
29. Buccaneers (25). As long as the penalties and poor defense continue, so will the losses.
30. Chiefs (29). Matt Cassel wishes he could have brought Randy Moss and Wes Welker to Kansas City.

31. Lions (31). There are signs that things are improving. That tells you how bad things were.

32. Rams (32). Steven Jackson deserves a better supporting cast. His best years are being wasted.

This is one of the most awful ranking lists I've ever seen. Saints only one notch above the Eagles who they absolutely dismantled?

The Vikes at 4 even though they beat the (0-2) Browns and (0-2) Lions, while the Broncos beat a Bengals team that hung 31 points on the packers?

Cowboys better than Packers?

Seahawks better than Bengals, Dolphins, Bills, or Broncos?

Do these guys even watch football? Wow.

Pseudofool
09-23-2009, 09:19 AM
Florio via PFT

1. New York Giants (3)

2. Indianapolis Colts (6)

3. Baltimore Ravens (9)

4. Minnesota Vikings (7)

5. Pittsburgh Steelers (1)

6. San Diego Chargers (4)

7. New Orleans Saints (12)

8. New England Patriots (2)

9. Atlanta Falcons (13)

10. New York Jets (15)

11. Chicago Bears (14)

12. San Francisco 49ers (18)

13. Dallas Cowboys (11)

14. Philadelphia Eagles (5)

15. Houston Texans (24)

16. Buffalo Bills (16)

17. Tennessee Titans (5)

18. Cincinnati Bengals (28)

19. Green Bay Packers (10)

20. Arizona Cardinals (22)

21. Washington Redskins (20)

22. Seattle Seahawks (17)

23. Miami Dolphins (21)

24. Denver Broncos (23)

25. Jacksonville Jaguars (19)

26. Carolina Panthers (25)

27. Oakland Raiders (27)

28. Kansas City Chiefs (26)

29. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (29)

30. Cleveland Browns (30)

31. St. Louis Rams (31)

32. Detroit Lions (32)

TailgateNut
09-23-2009, 09:26 AM
Florio via PFT

1. New York Giants (3)

2. Indianapolis Colts (6)

3. Baltimore Ravens (9)

4. Minnesota Vikings (7)

5. Pittsburgh Steelers (1)

6. San Diego Chargers (4)

7. New Orleans Saints (12)

8. New England Patriots (2)

9. Atlanta Falcons (13)

10. New York Jets (15)

11. Chicago Bears (14)

12. San Francisco 49ers (18)

13. Dallas Cowboys (11)

14. Philadelphia Eagles (5)

15. Houston Texans (24)

16. Buffalo Bills (16)

17. Tennessee Titans (5)

18. Cincinnati Bengals (28)

19. Green Bay Packers (10)

20. Arizona Cardinals (22)

21. Washington Redskins (20)

22. Seattle Seahawks (17)

23. Miami Dolphins (21)

24. Denver Broncos (23)

25. Jacksonville Jaguars (19)

26. Carolina Panthers (25)

27. Oakland Raiders (27)

28. Kansas City Chiefs (26)

29. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (29)

30. Cleveland Browns (30)

31. St. Louis Rams (31)

32. Detroit Lions (32)

Well, according to this EXPERT, we should finish the season at 6-10 and should have been beaten by the Bungles. I wonder if he'd place a bet on his superior knowledge of the game.

I get so sick of these experts who seem to think they "know it all".

Beantown Bronco
09-23-2009, 09:35 AM
Florio via PFT


24. Denver Broncos (23)



That's a first. Win in somewhat dominating fashion and move DOWN in the rankings.

Pseudofool
09-23-2009, 09:43 AM
That's a first. Win in somewhat dominating fashion and move DOWN in the rankings.I was thinking the same thing; and it's more absurd considering hte team (Cincy) we beat at their house the week before won on the road (in GB).

Everyone punishes us for the stokley play w/o acknowledging that our defense dominated that game, and we were on the road. I think that win hurts us more than a 7-6 loss would have in these kind of polls...as nonsensical as that is.

Old Dude
09-23-2009, 10:28 AM
That's a first. Win in somewhat dominating fashion and move DOWN in the rankings.

Maybe the Browns are so bad that just being on the field with them makes you less respectible even if you beat them by more than six times the point spread.

kamakazi_kal
09-23-2009, 10:34 AM
I love that were 2-0 but really it was the browns and bengals ...... the raiders won't do much for moving up the power charts.
They really don't mean anything anyway but, whatever.