Obama getting owned again, apparently he doesn't know what a tax is

[Garcia Bronco]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...8:b27830984:z0

President Obama and ABC News' George Stephanopoulos got in a testy sparring match Sunday over whether the president's health care plan includes a tax increase, leading the host to look up the Merriam-Webster dictionary definition of taxes.

In the interview airing Sunday, Stephanopoulos pressed the president on his plan to require people to purchase health insurance.

"Under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don't. How is that not a tax?" the host asked.

Obama responded: " No, but -- but, George, you -- you can't just make up that language and decide that that's called a tax increase."

Stephanopoulos then offered the dictionary definition.

"I don't think I'm making it up. Merriam-Webster's dictionary: 'Tax, a charge, usually of money, imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes,'" he said.

Visibly taken aback, Obama rejected the notion it was a tax increase and said pulling the dictionary out was a sign the host was "stretching" a little.

"No. That -- that's not true, George. The -- for us to say that you've got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase," Obama s

[Meck77]

It's comical. What a liar.

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[broncofan7]

I actually agree that health insurance should be treated like car insurance--the problem is--the employers are not going to give the $$$ that was previously set aside for HC and give it to their employees as a wage supplement--hence it would hit many families VERY hard........

[Garcia Bronco]

Obama is worse that George Bush. That's saying something. It's one thing to be intellectually dim and quite another to be an intellectual and lie about taxing people.

[barryr]

Obama and his ilk think if you don't pay it on tax forms for April 15, it's not a tax. Just more lawyerism technicalities, bu the bottom line is, you may not call it a tax, but it sure acts like one. So no difference.

[broncofan7]

Obama and his ilk think if you don't pay it on tax forms for April 15, it's not a tax. Just more lawyerism technicalities, bu the bottom line is, you may not call it a tax, but it sure acts like one. So no difference.

Here is the dilemma though--this policy actually preaches about personal responsibility--if people do not have health insurance they will be fined---instead of us getting stuck with higher premiums for those who choose to utilize ER's like general clinics....BUT--on the ohter hand--we here in TX pay some of the nation's highest rates for Car insurance--why? Because of all of those who do not buy it even though it's the law--so in THEORY--Obama's plan for people to be responsible to buy their own HC coverage makes sense--but in practice--how is it enforced? Do you jail people who do not pay the fines? Or will those people continue to abuse the system? I vote for the latter........

[Smiling Assassin27]

It's not a tax because I say it's not a tax, darn it. On a side note, when did Snuffaluffagus grow a pair? From the actual bill, note what it's called:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/11382446/Baucus-Health-Care-Bill---Full-Text

Excise Tax. The consequence for not maintaining insurance would be an excise tax. If a taxpayer’s MAGI is between 100-300 percent of FPL, the excise tax for failing to obtain coverage for an individual in a taxpayer unit (either as a taxpayer or an individual claimed as a dependent) is $750 per year. However, the minimum penalty for the taxpayer unit is $1,500. If a taxpayer’s MAGI is above 300 percent of FPL the penalty for failing to obtain coverage for an individual in a taxpayer unit (either as a taxpayer or as an individual claimed as a dependent) is $950 year. However, the maximum penalty amount a family above 300 percent of FPL would pay is $3,800.

[epicSocialism4tw]

It's not a tax because I say it's not a tax, darn it. On a side note, when did Snuffaluffagus grow a pair? From the actual bill, note what it's called:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/11382446/Baucus-Health-Care-Bill---Full-Text

Obama isnt as bright as his speech writers would have use believe.

He has proven to be a slippery slimebag in his early presidency. He thoroughly believes that Americans should be controlled with confusing language and backdoor legal ease. He is a professional weasel-worder who would rather hide his intents for the American people behind lies and half-truths than to be forthcoming.

He has found out that the American people arent as stupid as he thinks they are.

[Bronx33]

I JUST CAN'T STAND LIARS it's a pet peave of mine.

[TexanBob]

To me, it's more an unfunded mandate than a tax. But, the bottom line is, those who don't feel the need to carry health insurance (because they are young and healthy or because they are rich and healthy) will have to cough up money that could otherwise be spent on something else, like paying back student loans. It's a loss-of-autonomy tax.

What amuses me if that Steponallofus used to be a propagandist in the Clinton White House and, back then, his phrase for taxes were "broad-based contributions". So, when the hell did the word 'tax' enter his vocabulary?

[broncofan7]

The Dems are now calling him 'Judas Stephanopolous'! LOL

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The real question:

Why do Garcia and the rest of the right-wing pinheads around here hate America and why do they want America to fail?

:D

[epicSocialism4tw]

The Dems are now calling him 'Judas Stephanopolous'! LOL

That's crazy. Literally.

The good ol' Obama messiah subconscious bubbles forth.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

:laugh:

How funny is it to watch McDrama and his fellow far-right nutcases continue to operate in 24/7 attack mode while their party circles the drain?

Keep it up - all indications are that you're only speeding your party's demise.

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[watermock]

The real question:

Why do Garcia and the rest of the right-wing pinheads around here hate America and why do they want America to fail?

:D

wow

America is onlife support and essentially bankrupt.

We can barely sell treasuries to ourselves without the feds help,

Yes, we are paying interest to the banks we rescued to make record profits.

[watermock]

1954: It was the Supreme Court’s decision in Brown v. Board of Education that overturned the Court's decision in Plessy. It held that separate public schools were unequal, thereby striking down the doctrine of “separate but equal.” Its ruling led to the eventual desegregation of public schools.

1954

Jesus christ, buy a vowel.

[rastaman]

I JUST CAN'T STAND LIARS it's a pet peave of mine.

Lies help Presidents get re-elected and have successful Presidency's. It doesn't matter whether its a Republican or Democrat in the WH....these Administration do lie even if its plausible denial. GO FIGURE!

[rastaman]

wow

america is onlife support and essentially bankrupt.

We can barely sell treasuries to ourselves without the feds help,

yes, we are paying interest to the banks we rescued to make record profits.

gotta luv the free market!

[rastaman]

That's crazy. Literally.

The good ol' Obama messiah subconscious bubbles forth.

Will the last Republican in the room please "Turn Out The Lights"!:rofl:

[rastaman]

Obama is worse that George Bush. That's saying something. It's one thing to be intellectually dim and quite another to be an intellectual and lie about taxing people.

So do Republicans see "Light At The End Of The Tunnel"? After all the GOP never lies! ;D

Speaking of "Lies"......how hell was Bush able to invade IRAQ?.....Just Saying.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I JUST CAN'T STAND LIARS it's a pet peave(sic) of mine.

Funny - I don't remember you having a problem with them between 1/'01 and 1/'09.

As a matter of fact, you defended their every move during that eight year period.

[Garcia Bronco]

The real question:

Why do Garcia and the rest of the right-wing pinheads around here hate America and why do they want America to fail?

:D


Your brilliant powers of deduction are keenly on the mark again. And I am dissappointed that I got no cartoon in your post. You are slipping

[Rigs11]

Call it what you want, repubs will call it a tax and use it as ammo against obama. Dems will call it a mandate. Either way we are paying this already in our premiums. calling obama a liar is the same as calling bush a liar for invading iraq.difference again is that the trillion obama wants is going to be spent here and the trillion that bush spent was spent in another country.let the rightards keep screaming about the deficit and cry like little girls when you mention taxes to pay it down.

[Hotrod]

Weird how LAspinFan shows up once Barry starts to show his true colors and Americans see thru his "change" bull****.

[Bronx33]

http://www.members.shaw.ca/david.p.z.888/star_wars/pics/obi-wan_kenobi.jpg
( english accent) These are not the taxes you are looking for

[Bronx33]

Lies help Presidents get re-elected and have successful Presidency's. It doesn't matter whether its a Republican or Democrat in the WH....these Administration do lie even if its plausible denial. GO FIGURE!


Lying every other sentence is a bit much don't you think. ROFL!

[Bronx33]

Funny - I don't remember you having a problem with them between 1/'01 and 1/'09.

As a matter of fact, you defended their every move during that eight year period.


Hmmmm i joined up here in 04 and you state i was supporting a guy i didn't vote for for 8 years? ( got math?) i don't even remember even talking to you but about anything remotely politic related only commented on your crapping in the music thread but i do remember supporting the troops ( that was about it) so iam guessing you're full of shyt as usual now run along and go find some more pretty pictures to post.

[Garcia Bronco]

Call it what you want, repubs will call it a tax and use it as ammo against obama. Dems will call it a mandate. Either way we are paying this already in our premiums. calling obama a liar is the same as calling bush a liar for invading iraq.difference again is that the trillion obama wants is going to be spent here and the trillion that bush spent was spent in another country.let the rightards keep screaming about the deficit and cry like little girls when you mention taxes to pay it down.

It's a tax and Obama is liar. Bush is out of office. He broke up with you. He's not wondering what you are doing. He's just not that in to you.

[DBruleU]

Hmmmm i joined up here in 04 and you state i was supporting a guy i didn't vote for for 8 years? ( got math?) i don't even remember even talking to you but about anything remotely politic related only commented on your crapping in the music thread but i do remember supporting the troops ( that was about it) so iam guessing you're full of shyt as usual now run along and go find some more pretty pictures to post.

I'll pull an LABF and ^5.

HIGHFIVES!!!!

[Bronco Yoda]

Call it whatever you want. But this isn't the answer. What a mess.

[broncocalijohn]

The real question:

Why do Garcia and the rest of the right-wing pinheads around here hate America and why do they want America to fail?

:D

I think we love America and seeing a possible chance that it will fail or at least plans that are implemented. But, nice try.

[Rigs11]

It's a tax and Obama is liar. Bush is out of office. He broke up with you. He's not wondering what you are doing. He's just not that in to you.
whatever makes you sleep better at night. Like I said call it what you want.if obama had come out and said it was a tax you and your "conservative" ilk would have been up in arms.funny how you are so concerned about the deficit but you fail to realize that the majority is from bush's "conservative" spending.

[rastaman]

Lying every other sentence is a bit much don't you think. ROFL!

How do you think Bush was able to convince the U.S. to invade and occupy Iraq!!!

It took lies you dim wit! In fact it took 935 lies to invade and occupy Iraq. Gee think about it all it takes is 935 lies to invade a sovereign nation and in return you get over 4200 dead servicemen and women, over 35,000 permanently maimed-and wheel chair bound veterans, over 100,000 vets with PTSD, at a cost of of over 2 trillion dollars. I'd say lying does work if your a socio-path President like GW Bush!

Obama has yet to tell 935 lies like his predessor. More important the previous administration lied in the following areas:

Lied about 911
Lied about torture
Lied to Congress
Lied about WMD
Lied about wire tapping and eaves dropping on the U.S. citizens

[Bronx33]

2009 is waiting rasta but if you prefer the past............ enjoy.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Hmmmm i joined up here in 04 and you state i was supporting a guy i didn't vote for for 8 years? ( got math?)

Whatever. :oyvey:

The point still stands in reference to the portion of the aforementioned eight year period for which you were present and accounted here.


i don't even remember even talking to you but about anything remotely politic related....

Whether you addressed yourself to me personally or not is immaterial - we're talking about your support for Bush and your defense of his policies.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I think we love America and seeing a possible chance that it will fail or at least plans that are implemented. But, nice try.

But when liberals opposed the court-appointed pinhead's policies (particularly around the time of the run-up to the frat boy's illegal invasion of Iraq) they were denounced as "traitors" who "hated America" by righties like you.

What's good for the goose... :welcome:

[Bronx33]

WSJ quote: It turns out the President thinks a health-care tax is not a tax if he thinks the tax is for your own good.

That's just greeeeeeeeeeat.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Huh?

A WSJ op-ed writer doesn't like Obama's health care proposal?

Shocking!

Might it have anything to do with the fact that Wall St. owns a huge piece of the insurance industry profiteering action?

Staggering how so many right-wing pinheads confuse Wall Street's interests with their own (but that's Rush's genius at work, I guess.)

[Bronx33]

The president talking out the side of his mouth doesn't bother you? i just wonder what else he thinks is for our own good down the road since he has applied his own side definition to the word tax we must give this new obama finding a name how about GoodForUTax program (GFUTP) i wonder if it will show up on my pay check stub next year. :rofl:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The president talking out the side of his mouth doesn't bother you?

Joe Wilson's blatant hypocrisy re: health care for illegals doesn't bother you?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Hmmmm i joined up here in 04 and you state i was supporting a guy i didn't vote for for 8 years? ( got math?) i don't even remember even talking to you but about anything remotely politic related only commented on your crapping in the music thread but i do remember supporting the troops ( that was about it) so iam guessing you're full of shyt as usual now run along and go find some more pretty pictures to post.

LA Propaganda Machine doesnt really know anything about you. He has a canned spiel that somebody taught him to use on internet message boards to try to slander or illegitimize people that dont walk hand in hand with the democratic party.

LA Broncos Spam is a political spam operative who works for the democratic party. Its astounding that he is allowed to post his spam here.

Remember Robb? The guy that spammed religious stuff like LABF spams political stuff? Yeah...he got shown the door. LA Spam Factory has been allowed to stay.

[Spider]

I JUST CAN'T STAND LIARS it's a pet peave of mine.

Yeah ........... too bad you missed this gem hey ........
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2566731&postcount=1

[Spider]

LA Propaganda Machine doesnt really know anything about you. He has a canned spiel that somebody taught him to use on internet message boards to try to slander or illegitimize people that dont walk hand in hand with the democratic party.

LA Broncos Spam is a political spam operative who works for the democratic party. Its astounding that he is allowed to post his spam here.

Remember Robb? The guy that spammed religious stuff like LABF spams political stuff? Yeah...he got shown the door. LA Spam Factory has been allowed to stay.

LOL you phony bastard ........ what you are doing is nothing short of lying .. and whats worse is you know it ...........

[epicSocialism4tw]

you phony bastard ........ what you are doing is nothing short of lying .. and whats worse is you know it ...........

LA Spam Bot is the liar.

Its not my fault you havent figured that out yet.

[Spider]

LA Spam Bot is the liar.

Its not my fault you havent figured that out yet.

And what you are doing here is no different , and that is your fault for not knowing ............

[epicSocialism4tw]

And what you are doing here is no different , and that is your fault for not knowing ............

You willingly ignore a spammer here simply because you agree with what he's spamming about. I'm sure you were just as tolerant with Robb. ::)

[Spider]

You willingly ignore a spammer here simply because you agree with what he's spamming about. I'm sure you were just as tolerant with Robb. ::)

Actually I was , it was glory mule I had a problem with , but this isnt about LABf or spam , this is about you lying ...........

[cutthemdown]

Yeah ........... too bad you missed this gem hey ........

In all fairness that was to appease hospitals but who have no choice but to provide emergency service to illegals. I'm sure if Joe Wilson could have said illegals get turned away period to bleed to death on the street, or die of a heart attack in waiting room, he would have.

[Spider]

I see , but Obama can say turn away Illegals , to bleed to death in the streets , or die of a heart attack in the waiting room ?
How does that work ? Reps cant say these things , but Dems can so Dems are held in a different light ?
Os that how it works ?

[Dukes]

Joe Wilson's blatant hypocrisy re: health care for illegals doesn't bother you?

Joe Wilson isn't running the country. Nice try.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LA Spam Bot is the liar.


Really, pinhead?

Please enlighten us as to what it is I'm supposedly lying about.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Joe Wilson isn't running the country. Nice try.

Wow - way to stumble into a thread and post some non-sequitur sh*t before you even know what the discussion is about. :wave:

[broncocalijohn]

But when liberals opposed the court-appointed pinhead's policies (particularly around the time of the run-up to the frat boy's illegal invasion of Iraq) they were denounced as "traitors" who "hated America" by righties like you.

What's good for the goose... :welcome:

Just like being wrong on Bronx33, you are wrong about me. Maybe you should right down everyones agenda here so you dont come back on a topic and misidentify someone's position. You damn well know that I have stated I did not like the invasion on Iraq. So if I was against the war, was I calling others that had the same opinion as me that "we" hated America? I just dont want to be lumped in with Pink Code or whatever they are called.

[Bronx33]

Joe Wilson isn't running the country. Nice try.

Yep and who the **** cares anyways but LA appears he wants to win some sort of a meaningless moral victory or something, is joe wilson is hypocrite? who the **** knows, is hes racist? who the **** knows it's pure speculation at this point and yes LA illegals can walk into emergency rooms for free healthcare and we the people pay for it that much is a fact so spin it anyway you want it always ends up in the same spot until obama addresses the problem. And if obama and the dems don't address it then they are no better than joe wilson what are you going to say then LA? :kiss: my guess is the dems will pander for mexican votes and we the people get to pay for it as usual.

I will quote Roh and say well maybe joe wilson changed his mind kinda like obama changed his mind on single payer if the president can change his mind why can't joe wilson :~ohyah!:

[Bronx33]

Wow - way to stumble into a thread and post some non-sequitur sh*t before you even know what the discussion is about. :wave:

His post is extremely accurate Joe Wilson isn't running the country ( that's a fact) and relevant to your topic where exactly did he stumble in? iam not sure what direction you are even expecting to go or what you are expecting to gain with the joe wilson topic it's rather dead end to me.

[Rohirrim]

Yep and who the **** cares anyways but LA appears he wants to win some sort of a meaningless moral victory or something, is joe wilson is hypocrite? who the **** knows, is hes racist? who the **** knows it's pure speculation at this point and yes LA illegals can walk into emergency rooms for free healthcare and we the people pay for it that much is a fact so spin it anyway you want it always ends up in the same spot until obama addresses the problem. And if obama and the dems don't address it then they are no better than joe wilson what are you going to say then LA? :kiss: my guess is the dems will pander for mexican votes and we the people get to pay for it as usual.

I will quote Roh and say well maybe joe wilson changed his mind kinda like obama changed his mind on single payer if the president can change his mind why can't joe wilson :~ohyah!:

I think it would be more honest to say that any human being can walk into any American ER and get treated, whether they can pay for it or not. That's the law. Like I always say, if you don't like it, then change the law and you be the one to stand at the doors of the ER and turn people away.

To try to attach illegal immigration to the health care debate is dishonest, and only done for its distracting, hysteria potential.

[Bronx33]

I think it would be more honest to say that any human being can walk into any American ER and get treated, whether they can pay for it or not. That's the law. Like I always say, if you don't like it, then change the law and you be the one to stand at the doors of the ER and turn people away.

To try to attach illegal immigration to the health care debate is dishonest, and only done for its distracting, hysteria potential.

The difference is a majority of those other humans ( are legal US citizens) i don't mind taking care of our own if we have to and immigration was brought in because it ties into healthcare one problem (immigration) effects the other (healthcare) the ramifications are obvious.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Actually I was , it was glory mule I had a problem with , but this isnt about LABf or spam , this is about you lying ...........

You wouldnt know a lie if Obama smacked you across the face with one.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

His post is extremely accurate Joe Wilson isn't running the country...

That's not the point.

The point is that you pretend to object to the idea of health care for illegals but you don't have a problem when one of your own, viz., Wilson, votes for taxpayer-funded health care for illegals and then tries to politically sandbag Obama for (supposedly) doing the same thing.

When it becomes clear that Wilson's highly-publicized stunt was merely an attempt to rally the ditto monkeys, you couldn't care less.