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chrisp
09-21-2009, 06:06 AM
OK, so I refuse to pay for NFL gamepass at the moment as I think its overpriced and I hear nothing but complaints from the other posters here who do have it.

So last night I managed to find a free stream, but it was truly awful and I gave up at halftime not ever having been able to have watched a full play without the damn thing hanging.

Added to which my wife made it known that she was wearing the intimissimi neglige I cought her for our honeymoon and...well....you know..........if the stream had been working better ..............(halftime was about 1030pm in the UK..)

So i couldn't really see a great deal of the first half and didn't even bother to try in the second, meaning that there are a few questions I have about certain things and I'd be grateful of some of the more experienced football-watchers on this board could venture their opinions.

Its clear that we ran more in the second half, but I'm wondering if we actually changed personnel or formation substantially? I noticed in the preseason (in a game I was actually able to see) that when Brandstater went in we seemed to revert to a more traditional pro-set type offense compared to the spread formations that we ran with Orton - or at least you didn't see so much of the empty backfield.

In this game we seemed to come out passing with a lot of empty-backfield sets but that clearly didn't work. I saw from the stats that the run/pass ratio came way down in the second half, and along with it Orton's accuracy seemed to improve.

In the first half we had 1st and goal from the 5 and threw 3 incomplete passes, in the 2nd half we didn;t mess about, and with 1st and goal at the 2 we had Hochstein (I heard this in another post) playing fullback for Hillis and punched it in.

The reason why I raise this is that I have a gut feeling that McDaniels knows he has a decent offense that could easily win a lot of games from a more traditional formation, but is keen to establish his spread offense if he can, the reasoning being that if he can get that going consistently the offense will be more productive in the long run.

This is good becuase a) it shows the players and coaches are flexible b) it means there is an upside for the offense and c) it means we always have something to fall back on when the fancy stuff doesn't work......

But am I right? Those who saw the damn game I would like to know.

I'd also like to know what the balance of opinion was regarding all those incompletions (Orton was 11 of 27 at halftime) - were there many drops or were the guys just not open?

Punisher
09-21-2009, 06:13 AM
Next time try this streams

homertv.net
atdhe.net <------ Best one
channelsurfing.net
aswenton.blogspot.com
justin.tv
ustream.com
veetle.com

cousinal11
09-21-2009, 06:16 AM
Stokely had a big drop, but I don't recall any others.

As Shannon Sharpe pointed out, we couldn't get open. I know of a few plays where Orton had all day in the pocket, but couldn't find anybody.

Orton had a little more zip on the ball yesterday.

Our run blocking hasn't been very impressive. I don't think Moreno has been in space other than a screen pass yesterday.

cmhargrove
09-21-2009, 06:46 AM
Honestly, Cleveland has some big bodies in their front seven and did a good job of stuffing the run early. As stated before, Stokely was the main mismatch in intermediate routes yesterday.

The way to attack a "Big" defense is to spread them out. That's why we went with the spread. They were just pretty good in coverage - their secondary played very fast. And, Orton was definitely "careful" with the ball.

Orton's pedestrian style takes some getting nused to, but I sure like the result. This team looks like it is really starting to gel. The Raiders will not be an easy game next week, so I hope the good decisions continue in Oakland.

barryr
09-21-2009, 08:02 AM
I think McDaniels want to show many looks to teams since it makes it harder for teams to prepare for what they will do.

They ran mostly 1 back sets, except at the goal line when Hillis can in behind a FB.

I also think once Marshall gets his head straight, they will get more creative with sets.

In the beginning of the game, the WR's did have troubles getting separation. There were many times that Orton had a ton of time to throw, but nobody to throw to and had to unload once he did get some pressure.

Orton did go 8-10 in the 2nd half, so the passing game picked up quite well then.

chrisp
09-21-2009, 09:17 AM
Next time try this streams

homertv.net
atdhe.net <------ Best one
channelsurfing.net
aswenton.blogspot.com
justin.tv
ustream.com
veetle.com

Sadly, that 'best one' is the one i tried! Literally, ran for 5 seconds, then hung for 5 seconds, ran for 5, hung for 5 all day long. Sooooooo frustrating

I think, however, that my ISP may be garbage so a change in that area may help - I got the broadband thrown in dirt cheap with the Satellitel TV and I don't think I've had a decent streaming experience since! Ya gets what ya pays for I suppose (but its also another factor holding me back from buying Gamepass for the time being at least......)

As to the football, I noticed that Marshall was mooching about doing nothing on the sideline for the whole of the first half, however I saw him make a couple of nice plays in the second half on the highlight reel, so I'm betting he finished the game looking and feeling better than he did at the start... fingers crossed he can pull his head out of his ass and start playing.......

Irish Stout
09-21-2009, 09:22 AM
Can you stream Broncos radio from 850KOA or anything? I would rather have good announcers and description of the game over attempting to watch a crappy feed.

Natedogg
09-21-2009, 09:22 AM
Go here:

http://www.myp2pforum.eu/nfl-cfl-afl/

and use a stream that works with a program called Stream Torrent. You have to dl the program, but the streams are some of the best ive ever seen.

BlaK-Argentina
09-21-2009, 10:11 AM
StreamTorrent is good, you should try that one and the lowest quality streams.

The WRs were NOT getting open in the first half. Like someone said, Orton had all day and was going through his progressions but from the replays I've seen people were not getting open. That changed in the second half though.

BTW did anyone think Hillis was still pissed about his fumble after he scored the TD? He didn't even celebrate and he was holding his head down all the time while people were jumping on him to celebrate. I bet McD chewed him up BAD. ;D

broncosteven
09-21-2009, 10:34 AM
I can't DVR the Sunday Ticket games so this is all from memory.

I thought Orton was throwing a lot of balls away, Stokely was getting open late in the 1st quarter and early 2nd, for some reason they held Marshall out in the 2nd quarter. Cleveland was also sending lots of pressure and playing man, they were covering well until the 3rd quarter.

I thought the game turned on a screen to Knowshon, once Cleveland had to play the screens their coverages began to break down and guys were getting open. Once we were up big we had sucess running the ball.

I saw a lot of different formations all game. They went back to a traditional offset I to run the ball if that is what your question is but when they passed there was everything from 3 TE sets to empty's.

I find it funny that all the Posters that have started a "Pick a fight with a Bronco fan thread" as Taco calls it are staying away from a football talk thread. Guys like Whoisjohngalt, baja, broncorob, bronco0608, broncofan7...

Cito Pelon
09-21-2009, 10:48 AM
The way I saw it was the O certainly changed up the scheme/formations 2nd half. I saw Quinn in there more. Seemed to me they changed up quite a bit after halftime, not so much in personnel, but in scheme. They had mixed it up quite a bit the first half going between shotgun and under center, but I saw more of the 'bunch' formations in the second half. Sometimes left side, sometimes right. Keep in mind there was a stiff crosswind all day, enough to make the goalpost flags stand at 30-45 degrees the whole game.

They certainly tried to attack more with the running game in the second half. They got more aggressive with the 2 TE formation and the bunch, more personnel closer to the LOS. Less cute, more power. The TE's were in there to block, not try to peel off and get open. It was good to see the versatility of the O.

As for McD trying to use the spread as much as he can, I think it's a part of his overall strategy to test his own team as well as the opposing D. So yes, absolutely the O showed all kinds of flexibility this game. They got into a rhythm and just started kicking ass. The altitude has something to do with it, having a better conditioned team certainly showed in the 4th Q.

I didn't lose much heart by the 11/27 at the half. They had no timeouts on the final drive of the 1st half, so Orton had to throw almost every down and some of those were throwaways to stop the clock, and again the crosswind was brutal. Also, Marshall fell down on one INC, missed a hot read on another, which incidentally led to him having to be sat down again. Royal also was totally gassed in the 2nd quarter, he was slowing up the whole O rhythm because he was so slow getting back to the huddle. Orton was waiting on him quite a bit. Hence the intravenous fluids Royal had to take at halftime.

Cito Pelon
09-21-2009, 11:01 AM
I think McDaniels want to show many looks to teams since it makes it harder for teams to prepare for what they will do.

They ran mostly 1 back sets, except at the goal line when Hillis can in behind a FB.

I also think once Marshall gets his head straight, they will get more creative with sets.

In the beginning of the game, the WR's did have troubles getting separation. There were many times that Orton had a ton of time to throw, but nobody to throw to and had to unload once he did get some pressure.

Orton did go 8-10 in the 2nd half, so the passing game picked up quite well then.

Yah, I agree. I'm impressed with how he mixes things up. And that sure looked like a well-schooled versatile O Sunday. I better settle down, I'm getting too giddy. 8')

broncofan7
09-21-2009, 11:13 AM
I can't DVR the Sunday Ticket games so this is all from memory.

I thought Orton was throwing a lot of balls away, Stokely was getting open late in the 1st quarter and early 2nd, for some reason they held Marshall out in the 2nd quarter. Cleveland was also sending lots of pressure and playing man, they were covering well until the 3rd quarter.

I thought the game turned on a screen to Knowshon, once Cleveland had to play the screens their coverages began to break down and guys were getting open. Once we were up big we had sucess running the ball.

I saw a lot of different formations all game. They went back to a traditional offset I to run the ball if that is what your question is but when they passed there was everything from 3 TE sets to empty's.

I find it funny that all the Posters that have started a "Pick a fight with a Bronco fan thread" as Taco calls it are staying away from a football talk thread. Guys like Whoisjohngalt, baja, broncorob, bronco0608, broncofan7...

I find it funny that you think a thread that discusses QB being the WEAK link on our team as OPPOSED to last year where it was our strength is not 'football talk' to you.

Inkana7
09-21-2009, 11:35 AM
I find it funny that you think a thread that discusses QB being the WEAK link on our team as OPPOSED to last year where it was our strength is not 'football talk' to you.

You're kidding, right?

broncofan7
09-21-2009, 11:37 AM
You're kidding, right?

What is the weakest link on our team now? Our defense is playing AMAZING--our ST are above average (except for our kickers/punters)--last year our issuse was defense--this year it's QB. You disagree?

55CrushEm
09-21-2009, 12:09 PM
What is the weakest link on our team now? Our defense is playing AMAZING--our ST are above average (except for our kickers/punters)--last year our issuse was defense--this year it's QB. You disagree?

I find it hard to say a QB that has thrown for 506 yards, 2 TDs, and ZERO interceptions, with a 90.9 passer rating is a WEAK LINK......but hey, to each their own.

And inn case you didn't read it already....your hero has 513 yards, 3 TDs and 4 INTs......

TailgateNut
09-21-2009, 12:14 PM
I find it hard to say a QB that has thrown for 506 yards, 2 TDs, and ZERO interceptions, with a 90.9 passer rating is a WEAK LINK......but hey, to each their own.

And inn case you didn't read it already....your hero has 513 yards, 3 TDs and 4 INTs......

It's the extra 7 yds and the fact that he'll make the cover of Vanity Fair.;D

BroncoMan4ever
09-21-2009, 12:17 PM
with the running game in the 2nd half we got bigger on the line as well. we went into 3-TE sets often when we ran in the second half

broncofan7
09-21-2009, 04:28 PM
It's the extra 7 yds and the fact that he'll make the cover of Vanity Fair.;D

LOL! That was a good one.

broncofan7
09-21-2009, 04:30 PM
I find it hard to say a QB that has thrown for 506 yards, 2 TDs, and ZERO interceptions, with a 90.9 passer rating is a WEAK LINK......but hey, to each their own.

And inn case you didn't read it already....your hero has 513 yards, 3 TDs and 4 INTs......

LOL--how about 1 TD and 419 yards--an asterisk is needed for the 87 yard TD pass due strictly to divine intervention(running orton out there is going to take a weekly act of god for us to compete with the good teams)--and what are Royal and Marshall's stats with this albatross that we are putting out there? OH.

And GOD HELP US (AGAIN!) when we play PITT....... a noodle armed lead footed QB--PIT is going to EAT HIM UP ALIVE!

Spider
09-21-2009, 04:48 PM
that drop by stokes was a big one , but he is forgiven , he lays all out there for us , has since he got here ........

houghtam
09-21-2009, 05:08 PM
LOL--how about 1 TD and 419 yards--an asterisk is needed for the 87 yard TD pass due strictly to divine intervention(running orton out there is going to take a weekly act of god for us to compete with the good teams)--and what are Royal and Marshall's stats with this albatross that we are putting out there? OH.

And GOD HELP US (AGAIN!) when we play PITT....... a noodle armed lead footed QB--PIT is going to EAT HIM UP ALIVE!

Funny, but I don't see an asterisk here...

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=9777

Maybe that site can't be trusted, let's try the official NFL site...

http://www.nfl.com/players/kyleorton/profile?id=ORT716150

Nope, no asterisk. I'm searching all over the net buddy, can you direct me to the site where you found that play didn't count? Is it anywhere near the site that had the Bills advancing over the Titans in the 2000 playoffs?

Popcorn Sutton
09-21-2009, 05:10 PM
LOL--how about 1 TD and 419 yards--an asterisk is needed for the 87 yard TD pass due strictly to divine intervention(running orton out there is going to take a weekly act of god for us to compete with the good teams)--and what are Royal and Marshall's stats with this albatross that we are putting out there? OH.

And GOD HELP US (AGAIN!) when we play PITT....... a noodle armed lead footed QB--PIT is going to EAT HIM UP ALIVE!

I got a laugh out of your fair and balanced quote under your avvy. LOL

barryr
09-21-2009, 05:15 PM
It's rather sad to see supposed Bronco fans being more happy about a Bear win than a Bronco win.

Popcorn Sutton
09-21-2009, 05:17 PM
OK, so I refuse to pay for NFL gamepass at the moment as I think its overpriced and I hear nothing but complaints from the other posters here who do have it.

So last night I managed to find a free stream, but it was truly awful and I gave up at halftime not ever having been able to have watched a full play without the damn thing hanging.

Added to which my wife made it known that she was wearing the intimissimi neglige I cought her for our honeymoon and...well....you know..........if the stream had been working better ..............(halftime was about 1030pm in the UK..)

So i couldn't really see a great deal of the first half and didn't even bother to try in the second, meaning that there are a few questions I have about certain things and I'd be grateful of some of the more experienced football-watchers on this board could venture their opinions.

Its clear that we ran more in the second half, but I'm wondering if we actually changed personnel or formation substantially? I noticed in the preseason (in a game I was actually able to see) that when Brandstater went in we seemed to revert to a more traditional pro-set type offense compared to the spread formations that we ran with Orton - or at least you didn't see so much of the empty backfield.

In this game we seemed to come out passing with a lot of empty-backfield sets but that clearly didn't work. I saw from the stats that the run/pass ratio came way down in the second half, and along with it Orton's accuracy seemed to improve.

In the first half we had 1st and goal from the 5 and threw 3 incomplete passes, in the 2nd half we didn;t mess about, and with 1st and goal at the 2 we had Hochstein (I heard this in another post) playing fullback for Hillis and punched it in.

The reason why I raise this is that I have a gut feeling that McDaniels knows he has a decent offense that could easily win a lot of games from a more traditional formation, but is keen to establish his spread offense if he can, the reasoning being that if he can get that going consistently the offense will be more productive in the long run.

This is good becuase a) it shows the players and coaches are flexible b) it means there is an upside for the offense and c) it means we always have something to fall back on when the fancy stuff doesn't work......

But am I right? Those who saw the damn game I would like to know.

I'd also like to know what the balance of opinion was regarding all those incompletions (Orton was 11 of 27 at halftime) - were there many drops or were the guys just not open?

Hey man, not sure if you saw this or not. It's not that expensive. Less than a night out boozing with your boys. It's high quality and you can rewatch any games you want starting at midnight on gameday.

https://gamerewind.nfl.com/nflgr/secure/registerform

broncofan7
09-21-2009, 05:21 PM
It's rather sad to see supposed Bronco fans being more happy about a Bear win than a Bronco win.

Who is happy about that? It hurt our draft position

chrisp
09-21-2009, 05:25 PM
LOL--how about 1 TD and 419 yards--an asterisk is needed for the 87 yard TD pass due strictly to divine intervention(running orton out there is going to take a weekly act of god for us to compete with the good teams)--and what are Royal and Marshall's stats with this albatross that we are putting out there? OH.

And GOD HELP US (AGAIN!) when we play PITT....... a noodle armed lead footed QB--PIT is going to EAT HIM UP ALIVE!

I get it.....you're joking!! This is all just one big hoot to you isn't it? You love Orton really......

broncofan7
09-21-2009, 05:25 PM
I got a laugh out of your fair and balanced quote under your avvy. LOL

Eddie Royal--5 catches and 38 yards in TWO GAMES--our QB is NOT getting it done.

Marshall--7 for 61

These are 1st class receivers being run into the ground by this handicapped QB.........

Popcorn Sutton
09-21-2009, 05:34 PM
LOL--how about 1 TD and 419 yards--an asterisk is needed for the 87 yard TD pass due strictly to divine intervention(running orton out there is going to take a weekly act of god for us to compete with the good teams)--and what are Royal and Marshall's stats with this albatross that we are putting out there? OH.

And GOD HELP US (AGAIN!) when we play PITT....... a noodle armed lead footed QB--PIT is going to EAT HIM UP ALIVE!

I do agree his numbers are inflated by the immaculate deflection.

Now, as far as your fair and balanced impression goes I'd have to say you are either:

A) Just trying to rile the feathers of other posters
B) You seriously believe he is an albatross
C) You are not very good at evaluating QB's

or

D) All of the above

I had to go with D.

Being serious. You are not completely off base with your criticism. The problem is you are so over the top. You say things like albatross and Act of God etc. Would it hurt you to admit he's playing at an NFL average at the very least. Minus the immaculate deflection he still has a QB rating in the mid 80's. Also, would you not agree that it seemed like things started to click a bit more in the 2nd half of the Cleveland game?

Don't get me wrong and blow things out of proportion which you have a tendency to do. I have my doubts that we can beat Pitt, NE, Dallas etc. with Kyle Orton. But, I don't understand how you can anoint Chris Simms based on 2 quarters of play in the pre-season against SF backups and third stringers? I lived in Tampa during the entire Chris Simms run there and I can assure you I saw much of the same. They have to the "T" identical career stats.

Finally, will you just admit that you had your mind made up about Orton before he even arrived at DIA and had his first press conference. You just don't like the guy and it's weighing heavy on your evaluations of him. I remember you posting in one of the threads when the trade went down and you had already given up on him. With that said, you are simply unable to post anything in regards to Orton that is "fair and balanced."

bombay
09-21-2009, 05:34 PM
If things that really happened don't count, and things that should have happened do, ****ler has 9 interceptions

Popcorn Sutton
09-21-2009, 05:47 PM
Eddie Royal--5 catches and 38 yards in TWO GAMES--our QB is NOT getting it done.

Marshall--7 for 61

These are 1st class receivers being run into the ground by this handicapped QB.........

In the spirit of being "fair and balanced" individual stats don't really matter. The offense is the 7th ranked (by your favorite statistic ;D) and minus the immaculate deflection they are still in the top 15 right around 15. You'd also be hard pressed to prove to anyone that Brandon Marshall is playing up to his potential right now.

Like I said in the other post, you are not entirely off base with some of your analysis. You are just so over the top with it. Kyle Orton has been at the very least average thus far but you have stated several times he shouldn't even be a backup in this league.

I'm trying to meet you half way here.

listopencil
09-21-2009, 05:47 PM
Eddie Royal--5 catches and 38 yards in TWO GAMES--our QB is NOT getting it done.

Marshall--7 for 61

These are 1st class receivers being run into the ground by this handicapped QB.........

Eddie a little bit, but Marshall not at all. And Stokes is making do.

kappys
09-21-2009, 06:18 PM
I think the difference between the first and second half Orton was his check down. Orton still needs to work on this. He has done a good job as a manager and not making mistakes or forcing throws. He is letting this defense carry the team and why not the way they are playing?

In the first half he had plenty of time to throw but downfield receivers weren't getting open. He needed to work on checking down which he wasn't doing. Second half he started going to the short routes which completely opened up the game for us. All of sudden we were moving the chains which allowed us to get a running game going and wear down the Browns completely.

Though we didn't have great run blocking the pass pro was superb. As long as we've got that going and Orton makes the check down reads we should be fine.

Cito Pelon
09-21-2009, 06:41 PM
I get it.....you're joking!! This is all just one big hoot to you isn't it? You love Orton really......

If you feed her, she'll keep coming back for more.

broncosteven
09-21-2009, 07:13 PM
If you feed her, she'll keep coming back for more.

Don't feed the Troll rep.

Sad that one idiot can ruin a perfectly good thread.

broncofan7
09-21-2009, 07:31 PM
Don't feed the Troll rep.

Sad that one idiot can ruin a perfectly good thread.

Troll? LOL--I had more intellect and sense in the 7th grade than most of you posters do now--Kyle Orton is an albatross---His play disgusts me--but I have come to realize why you all are so infatuated with our starting QB (for now)-because Orton is below average--you see yourselves in him--and with the exceptional talent around Orton--he can look decent IN THE 2ND HALF ONLY AGAINST THE WORST TEAM IN THE ENTIRE NFL. If only the people that surrounded you were as talented as the Broncos OL, WRs and RBs....Go make my fries--AND I SAID NO SALT.

Inkana7
09-21-2009, 07:36 PM
WTF is wrong with you?

broncofan7
09-21-2009, 07:49 PM
WTF is wrong with you?

Go back to watching Starbury spank it to a boys life magazine on webcam while he is wearing only his $12 sneakers..........

Spider
09-21-2009, 07:58 PM
Troll? LOL--I had more intellect and sense in the 7th grade than most of you posters do now--Kyle Orton is an albatross---His play disgusts me--but I have come to realize why you all are so infatuated with our starting QB (for now)-because Orton is below average--you see yourselves in him--and with the exceptional talent around Orton--he can look decent IN THE 2ND HALF ONLY AGAINST THE WORST TEAM IN THE ENTIRE NFL. If only the people that surrounded you were as talented as the Broncos OL, WRs and RBs....Go make my fries--AND I SAID NO SALT.

I got it ............ you fell in love with a woman that looked like Orton (only less facial hair ) and got your heart broke

broncofan7
09-21-2009, 08:04 PM
I got it ............ you fell in love with a woman that looked like Orton (only less facial hair ) and got your heart broke

You still have a job? I thought the trucking company laid your butt off....I thought that was the reason for your hiatus on here--had to make the choice between your Skoal habit and Dial up.......:rofl:

Popcorn Sutton
09-21-2009, 08:06 PM
Go back to watching Starbury spank it to a boys life magazine on webcam while he is wearing only his $12 sneakers..........

Do you have a daily insult quota or something? Seriously, you have a problem.

broncofan7
09-21-2009, 08:12 PM
Do you have a daily insult quota or something? Seriously, you have a problem.

:welcome: what fun is it to be on a msg board without the obligatory smack talk?

BlaK-Argentina
09-21-2009, 08:19 PM
:welcome: what fun is it to be on a msg board without the obligatory smack talk?

Don't you have anything better to do? Really.

Go watch the Fins-Colts game, it's pretty good. Give it a rest man.

broncofan7
09-21-2009, 08:30 PM
Don't you have anything better to do? Really.

Go watch the Fins-Colts game, it's pretty good. Give it a rest man.

I am watching the game --while I am on here hurding the sheep as well--and Coyer's D is screwing me ROYALLY! I have $150 on Indy -3......

houghtam
09-21-2009, 08:57 PM
:welcome: what fun is it to be on a msg board without the obligatory smack talk?

Smack talk is one thing...insulting people's takes is fair game. Calling them an idiot for their takes is fair game. Making fun of someone's profession and personal attacks are a little out of line. Especially coming from someone like CutlerBFF7 who's always claimed the moral high ground.

Shame on you.

Also, STFU about your crappy bets. No one cares about someone who went .500 in Week 1 and 2-6 in Week 2...2-7 if Indy doesn't pull this out.

Cito Pelon
09-22-2009, 12:03 AM
I think the difference between the first and second half Orton was his check down. Orton still needs to work on this. He has done a good job as a manager and not making mistakes or forcing throws. He is letting this defense carry the team and why not the way they are playing?

In the first half he had plenty of time to throw but downfield receivers weren't getting open. He needed to work on checking down which he wasn't doing. Second half he started going to the short routes which completely opened up the game for us. All of sudden we were moving the chains which allowed us to get a running game going and wear down the Browns completely.

Though we didn't have great run blocking the pass pro was superb. As long as we've got that going and Orton makes the check down reads we should be fine.

They weren't running check-down patterns in the first half. It was all out, and yeah they sure weren't getting open. I don't know about the 'plenty of time to throw' deal. Maybe one time out of six he had 'plenty of time to throw'.

The staff did what they were supposed to do, feel up the D and see what they would give. Meanwhile the D did the same thing. That was a pretty good quiet ass-kicking the Broncs put on the Browns.