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lex
09-21-2009, 12:47 AM
He hasnt really got on track yet like Im sure many were anticipating. Im surprised they havent gameplanned Royal more. Has anyone noticed defenses focusing more on Royal than Marshall? Because it seems like Marshall has seen more action than Royal to this point.

So far, Stokley has been the cornerstone of the WRs.

BroncoDoug
09-21-2009, 12:51 AM
they said he left in the 3rd quarter to get IV treatment

DBroncos4life
09-21-2009, 01:01 AM
As it stands now only Stokley is on pace for over 1000 yards for us. I didn't see that happening.

Borks147
09-21-2009, 01:11 AM
And I surely didn't expect Gaffney to the leading receiver this game.

Baba Booey
09-21-2009, 01:14 AM
As Orton gets more comfortable I'm sure the catches will come for Royal.

In the meantime Stokely has been a nice safety blanket for Orton.

DeusExManning
09-21-2009, 01:14 AM
When he was in I saw Cleveland putting a safety to double team him. He will breakout soon.

lex
09-21-2009, 01:24 AM
As Orton gets more comfortable I'm sure the catches will come for Royal.

In the meantime Stokely has been a nice safety blanket for Orton.

So, Royal is getting shutout because Orton isnt ready yet? Thats an interesting take. Also, as I mentioned in another thread, its not like Orton scanned the field when he was with the Bears.

Doggcow
09-21-2009, 01:31 AM
So, Royal is getting shutout because Orton isnt ready yet? Thats an interesting take. Also, as I mentioned in another thread, its not like Orton scanned the field when he was with the Bears.

Orton was checking down great this game. I saw him sitting and checking down left and right. He actually looked comfortable in the pocket. I think Royal was just well covered, and Marshall wasn't on the field to pull coverage off him.

Baba Booey
09-21-2009, 01:35 AM
So, Royal is getting shutout because Orton isnt ready yet? Thats an interesting take. Also, as I mentioned in another thread, its not like Orton scanned the field when he was with the Bears.

I don't know, just thinking/hoping that McDaniels opens the playbook a bit more and Eddie is Orton's first read more often.

lex
09-21-2009, 01:38 AM
I don't know, just thinking/hoping that McDaniels opens the playbook a bit more and Eddie is Orton's first read more often.

I dont doubt Royal is being heavily marked. I alluded to this at the outset. But like you mention, Im kind of surprised theyre (ie the Broncos) not gameplanning Royal more to get the ball.

cutthemdown
09-21-2009, 03:30 AM
Yeah I drafted him 5th round I need him to play better.

ScottXray
09-21-2009, 08:24 AM
He is gettinng tight coverage mostly and he may also be having a sophomore slump..
He isn't getting separation much.

Maybe we are also playinng fairly good defenses.

DarkHorse
09-21-2009, 08:30 AM
Sharpe commented that while the fans were booing Orton he did not see any of the wide receivers getting open.

To me it doesn't look like Orton does a very good job of going thru progressions. I swear it looks like he locks onto a receiver and that's the only guy he's going to throw to no matter what.

I could be wrong and probably am. I'll rewatch it today, maybe I missed something in both games.

lex
09-21-2009, 09:52 AM
Sharpe commented that while the fans were booing Orton he did not see any of the wide receivers getting open.

To me it doesn't look like Orton does a very good job of going thru progressions. I swear it looks like he locks onto a receiver and that's the only guy he's going to throw to no matter what.

I could be wrong and probably am. I'll rewatch it today, maybe I missed something in both games.


I posted this in another thread:

Dont assume that Orton will start doing this. His tendency to lock onto guys isnt exactly driven by playing in a new system. Prior to this season, i accessed the Bears-Saints game from last year in the comcast menu and watched it in anticipation for the season. There was one point in the game where Collinsworth said that Orton doesnt look off guys and that he gets lost when doing so...and that this is a difference between he and Brees.

It made it seem like Orton really relies on pre-snap reads a lot because he's not comfortbale scanning for other WRs. This commentary was driven by observing him in an offense that he was very familar with.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-21-2009, 09:58 AM
I posted this in another thread:

to a point. There were more than a few times Orton dropped back, had 7 seconds to throw and probably went through his progression twice. He CLEARLY wasnt locked on one receiver there.

BigPlayShay
09-21-2009, 09:59 AM
Sharpe commented that while the fans were booing Orton he did not see any of the wide receivers getting open.

To me it doesn't look like Orton does a very good job of going thru progressions. I swear it looks like he locks onto a receiver and that's the only guy he's going to throw to no matter what.

I could be wrong and probably am. I'll rewatch it today, maybe I missed something in both games.

80% completions in the 2nd half. Obvious miscommunications in the 1st half were addressed at halftime.

As for Royal he has taken some shots that he never really took last season. perhaps it is an adjustment he needs to make to this shorter passing game.

Mediator12
09-21-2009, 10:09 AM
Royal is just like all of DEN's WR's right now, they are struggling with the reads in this scheme. The only one who is not lost is Stokely. More than once, Orton has looked to Royal and thrown the ball where he thought he would be only to see Royal run into double coverage.....

DarkHorse
09-21-2009, 10:25 AM
I posted this in another thread:

My son says that Orton picks his guy in the huddle lol

baja
09-21-2009, 10:29 AM
Sophomore slump - receivers are especially susceptible to it.

Chris
09-21-2009, 11:24 AM
Sharpe commented that while the fans were booing Orton he did not see any of the wide receivers getting open.

To me it doesn't look like Orton does a very good job of going thru progressions. I swear it looks like he locks onto a receiver and that's the only guy he's going to throw to no matter what.

I could be wrong and probably am. I'll rewatch it today, maybe I missed something in both games.

I think he does that sometimes and other times makes great reads. It's more obvious when he stares down a receiver but it's a mixed bag.

BroncoMan4ever
09-21-2009, 12:21 PM
Orton isn't keying on just 1 guy. he is going to the open receiver and right now, Royal is getting most of the coverage directed his way. teams are game planning against him, more than anyone else on the team, and right now Stokley and Gaffney are the ones benefiting from that. also Marshall is still learning the system and isn't fully up to speed yet.

mizzoutigers
09-21-2009, 12:59 PM
I love eddie royal but does it really matter who is leading the broncos in receptions as long as we win. eddie will be fine, some of the nonsense you guys discuss is unbelievable.

McMastermind
09-21-2009, 01:06 PM
He's getting open every play and Orton's noodle arm just can't get it to him. Royal is quite pissed about it frankly. Hamrob saw it in his eyes!

Tombstone RJ
09-21-2009, 01:06 PM
As others have posted, Royal is probably going through a little slump. Add in the fact the BMarsh is not on the field, and that the cats out of the bag on Royal so he might draw double teams, and it probably makes sense that other WRs are getting the ball more than Royal.

gtown
09-21-2009, 01:15 PM
I think once BMarsh gets in the groove, opponents will roll coverage that way. Royal will benefit greatly from this. Even though the guy is good, he is not a number 1.

Merlin
09-21-2009, 02:12 PM
This was to be expected. A lot of Denver's stats on offence will be different this yr.

azbroncfan
09-22-2009, 05:43 AM
Royal is struggling with the new system and I hope that he gets it down vs having a sophmore slump. Stokely by no surprise shows he is one of the smartest player on the team and is doing a great job in this system.

Old Dude
09-22-2009, 08:30 AM
186 yards rushing. 263 passing with no INTs. No sacks. 449 total offense. 27 points and, but for two missed FGs, it could have been 33.

If they keep putting up numbers like that, I don't care whether Royal has a reception all year.

By comparison, the vaunted Minnesota Vikings, against the same Browns team, had 225rushing, 110 passing, 4 sacks for -25, for a total offense of 310 yards.

You look at those stats and what stands out is that the Browns are susceptible to the run. They were cheating up their safeties in the first half to help out against it. Our O went to more 2-TE (and even 3 TE) sets in the second half to spread them out and this resulted in big runs bu Moreno and Buckhalter.

This is mostly just a case of taking what the D gives you and attacking them where they are the weakest. It's a bit of a change from last year when Denver just lined up and dared the D to stop the passing attack.

It's going to produce some lousy and inconsistent fantasy numbers, but who cares?

McD has made no secret of the fact that he wants a flexible offense that can adjust and attack defenses on a team-by-team basis. It's still a work in progress, but I think it makes more sense to look at the team stats rather than those of any individual player.

Irish Stout
09-22-2009, 08:36 AM
Eddie Royal had the flu this past game.

TonyR
09-22-2009, 09:03 AM
Eddie Royal had the flu this past game.

I believe it based on the way he looked, but where did you get this info?

Orange_Beard
09-22-2009, 09:17 AM
How much longer will Stokely hold up?
Given his past history, he is on borrowed time right now. It will be interesting when Stokely starts to break down and miss a few games.

IMHO, Orton is looking to Stokely 1st, then looks to the other wideouts. Royal and BM(BowlMovement) were best when Cutler would zip the ball into a tight space. At this point I don't think Orton has the confidence to throw the ball into tight spaces.