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ZONA
09-20-2009, 10:49 PM
I know he had a huge penalty on that long Buckhalter run but why do you think he sat out much of the first half?

Taco John
09-20-2009, 10:51 PM
I think it mostly had to do with him having a clear lack of focus, and the coaches wanted to send him a message.

(that's the nice way of saying his head was up his ass for the first half)

azbroncfan
09-20-2009, 10:53 PM
He looks like he is dogging it on purpose to me. This game today was a perfect one for MCD to pull a Singletary on his ass and send him to the lockerroom.

ChSuperStar
09-20-2009, 10:59 PM
if he thinks this is a way to earn his pay raise... he should understand rest of the league is watching him as well. but i think he is not really interested in a super bowl or anything... so he will not mind playing for lions or browns if they give him good money... i am done with this guy, i dont want him to be a bronco at the end of this season. if we could any value for him it will be good. but i guess that is his intention in doing stuff like this.

lazarus4444
09-20-2009, 11:01 PM
I think him sitting was a direct result of his shoddy play. Remember, players are being held accountable and if you are not contributing you are not on the field! Even if you are KING Marshall!

ZONA
09-20-2009, 11:09 PM
I have to believe it was more of a not knowing the plays combined with lack of focus or mistakes. When he went inside post on that long play when Orton threw outside, you could see the confusion. Then the holding call was lame. He could have easily blocked that dude without holding. Not so sure I go so far to say he is dogging it because he fights for yards after catch. If he was dogging it he would just go down.

But let's give McD some credit here. I think he handled it perfectly. Held him out long enough to send a bit of a message but not long enough (as in the rest of the game) to where you might have disgruntled him further.

ChSuperStar
09-20-2009, 11:14 PM
at this point scheff, royal, stokes and gaffney are doing good enough. i would be happy if bmarsh gets only few plays a quater as well.. until he is in sync with the offense. after week 4 we cannot afford what he is doing on field. whether he is doing them wantedly or lack of playbook

bpc
09-20-2009, 11:15 PM
I'm so tired of talking about this jackass.

Bronco Yoda
09-20-2009, 11:16 PM
I haven't seen too much dogging from BM. But I do see confusion and lack of focus. It's obvious he's still not ready for this season yet. He's still way behind after messing around all preseason. I'm hopeful that he'll catch up soon. I see hustle in him so that's a start. He's a huge missing piece of our offense. Can't wait til he pulls his head out and fully joins in.

Durango
09-20-2009, 11:17 PM
I was in transit from Denver when the question of Marshall was posed to McDaniels in the post game and his answer was a non-answer.

Something to the effect that players will be used as needed. More sometimes, and less in other situations.

Yeah, me too. Huh? I agree he was temporarily benched, and furthermore, while he was standing there, he had only occasional conversations with a passing player returning from the field or a coach. For the most part, he just stood there alone.

This guy aint a member of the family anymore, or at least that's how it's starting to look to me.

Atwater His Ass
09-20-2009, 11:18 PM
he got yanked after failed to notice a blitz in the 1st Q and didn't adjust his route. orton threw to where he should have been, but marshall didn't recognize the situation and kept on his initial route.

so id bet this was just a case of mcd sending a message that he better start focusing.

you can all hate on the guy all you want. bottom line is that we are a better team with marshall on the field. mcd needs to find a way to fix the problem.

LongDongJohnson
09-20-2009, 11:29 PM
he sucked.

DeusExManning
09-20-2009, 11:30 PM
At the game, it looked like he blew it and ran a completely wrong route, after that he was on the bench.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-20-2009, 11:55 PM
Two plays on the opening posession where Brandon does not make the correct read. Add an unnecessary holding call, and the fact that Gaffney knows where to be. Those plays where the reciever and quarterback aren't on the same page turn into picks in a hurry. I'm honestly suprised he played at all in the second half. Can't wait to hear the fallout over this one... but it's obvious that Brandon isn't remotely where he needs to be mentally.

Popps
09-21-2009, 12:31 AM
I'm so tired of talking about this jackass.

He's been a distraction of some sort since he arrived in Denver. Can't wait to lose this ***head. I'm pretty much over the notion that he comes to his senses. He has none.

lex
09-21-2009, 12:43 AM
Two plays on the opening posession where Brandon does not make the correct read. Add an unnecessary holding call, and the fact that Gaffney knows where to be. Those plays where the reciever and quarterback aren't on the same page turn into picks in a hurry. I'm honestly suprised he played at all in the second half. Can't wait to hear the fallout over this one... but it's obvious that Brandon isn't remotely where he needs to be mentally.


Its funny, Gaffney was the same way at Florida. He was one of the more unathletic productive WRs theyve ever had but he could catch and knew how to get open.

listopencil
09-21-2009, 01:24 AM
you can all hate on the guy all you want. bottom line is that we are a better team with marshall on the field. mcd needs to find a way to fix the problem.

The problem is that we are not a better team with him on the field right now. He's a liability. Either he's dogging it or he's just behind because he missed practice while throwing his giant hissy fit. Either way...he's a dumbass. Here's a guy that wants to get paid and we are having to slowly work him in like a rookie WR? That's bull****. The thing is that he's not a rookie. Maybe he's just too freaking stupid to understand what he's supposed to be doing out there. I guess I could give him enough credit to call him a ****ing moron instead of a lazy piece of ****. In a few weeks, if he doesn't improve, it will be time for this Offense to move on without Brandon Marshall as a major contributor.

listopencil
09-21-2009, 01:26 AM
Two plays on the opening posession where Brandon does not make the correct read. Add an unnecessary holding call, and the fact that Gaffney knows where to be. Those plays where the reciever and quarterback aren't on the same page turn into picks in a hurry. I'm honestly suprised he played at all in the second half. Can't wait to hear the fallout over this one... but it's obvious that Brandon isn't remotely where he needs to be mentally.

I'm starting to really like the Royal, Gaffney, Stokely line up.

cutthemdown
09-21-2009, 01:33 AM
I think it was simply because Gaffeny/Stokley/Royal were playing better then him. He was making some mental mistakes and also got a penalty.

Also he hasn't played and doesn't look up to speed.

I'm not convinced he is or isn't dogging it. I think he was dogging it, now he wants to dominate, but he's finding those switches don't always turn on as quick as you want.

That's why dedicated players start getting there mind ready for the season way early. They look at the schedule, see who they match up against the coming season, add or drop weight, practice on what they are bad at, get better at what they are good at, then start season ready to go.

When you spend the whole offseason being a butthead this is what happens. All the players who were working hard kick your ass.

Florida_Bronco
09-21-2009, 01:39 AM
I think it was simply because Gaffeny/Stokley/Royal were playing better then him. He was making some mental mistakes and also got a penalty.

Also he hasn't played and doesn't look up to speed.

I'm not convinced he is or isn't dogging it. I think he was dogging it, now he wants to dominate, but he's finding those switches don't always turn on as quick as you want.

That's why dedicated players start getting there mind ready for the season way early. They look at the schedule, see who they match up against the coming season, add or drop weight, practice on what they are bad at, get better at what they are good at, then start season ready to go.

When you spend the whole offseason being a butthead this is what happens. All the players who were working hard kick your ass.

I don't think he was dogging it, but he's definitely lagging behind the other players after his offseason and he's paying for it.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-21-2009, 01:40 AM
I'm starting to really like the Royal, Gaffney, Stokely line up.

I'm partial to the 23 personnel package we ran on the goal line. Hot damn that's an awesome sight with three tight ends, a guard at fullback, and Peyton Hillis running full tilt. I would have to look back at the game, but I think we used the same package and flexed out Sheffler with Wimbley in man coverage. That was genius.

cutthemdown
09-21-2009, 01:45 AM
So far Mcdaniels/Nolan pickups of Davis/Fields/Dawkins/Hill/Goobman/Haggan looking like the best FA d haul we have had in yrs.

Add in a rookie nickleback and the fact Doom has made the transition to OLB and you have to be impressed.

meangene
09-21-2009, 03:22 AM
I am not a Marshall fan but I do not think he was dogging it yesterday. Honestly, he looks like he is lost in terms of the playbook and seems a little overwhelmed with knowing and recognizing his assignments. He blew a couple patterns and was, appropriately, benched to get his head together. He played much better in the second half. I am hopeful he will get up to speed mentally and start becoming a bigger contributor. If not, others will be getting more playing time. I love how McD holds everyone accountable.

cousinal11
09-21-2009, 05:08 AM
he got yanked after failed to notice a blitz in the 1st Q and didn't adjust his route. orton threw to where he should have been, but marshall didn't recognize the situation and kept on his initial route.

so id bet this was just a case of mcd sending a message that he better start focusing.

you can all hate on the guy all you want. bottom line is that we are a better team with marshall on the field. mcd needs to find a way to fix the problem.

This.

Gort
09-21-2009, 05:36 AM
The problem is that we are not a better team with him on the field right now. He's a liability. Either he's dogging it or he's just behind because he missed practice while throwing his giant hissy fit. Either way...he's a dumbass. Here's a guy that wants to get paid and we are having to slowly work him in like a rookie WR? That's bull****. The thing is that he's not a rookie. Maybe he's just too freaking stupid to understand what he's supposed to be doing out there. I guess I could give him enough credit to call him a ****ing moron instead of a lazy piece of ****. In a few weeks, if he doesn't improve, it will be time for this Offense to move on without Brandon Marshall as a major contributor.

it's a problem with maturity. he's basically a man-child. this may be the beginning of a season-long pout fest. guy needs a does of reality. without football, he's loading trucks at the local UPS station. or re-stocking shelves from midnight to 6AM at the local safeway. playing in the NFL is a privilege, not an entitlement. let's hope Rod Smith can get him to finally understand and grow up.

Hercules Rockefeller
09-21-2009, 05:54 AM
I was watching the end of the Chiefs-Raiders on the concourse so I didn't see it, but my dad said Marshall was half-assing it during warmups too.

Atwater His Ass
09-21-2009, 05:57 AM
=listopencil;2564597[The problem is that we are not a better team with him on the field right now. He's a liability.

bull****.

marshall is our best playmaker on offense.

you can't deny this because you are homered out about his off-season issues.

the man is explosive every time he touches the ball.

barryr
09-21-2009, 06:38 AM
Marshall is still playing in a fog. And this is the guy they want to give big money to?

bowtown
09-21-2009, 06:52 AM
So far Mcdaniels/Nolan pickups of Davis/Fields/Dawkins/Hill/Goobman/Haggan looking like the best FA d haul we have had in yrs.

Add in a rookie nickleback and the fact Doom has made the transition to OLB and you have to be impressed.

Not to be a stickler, but Haggan was a hold over.

baja
09-21-2009, 06:59 AM
I have to believe it was more of a not knowing the plays combined with lack of focus or mistakes. When he went inside post on that long play when Orton threw outside, you could see the confusion. Then the holding call was lame. He could have easily blocked that dude without holding. Not so sure I go so far to say he is dogging it because he fights for yards after catch. If he was dogging it he would just go down.

But let's give McD some credit here. I think he handled it perfectly. Held him out long enough to send a bit of a message but not long enough (as in the rest of the game) to where you might have disgruntled him further.

I want to tell you ZONA I sure enjoy your perceptive and reasonable posts,it is refreshing. ;D

barryr
09-21-2009, 07:07 AM
Holliday also made some plays yesterday too.

DarkHorse
09-21-2009, 07:10 AM
I haven't missed him yet - has anyone?

gyldenlove
09-21-2009, 07:11 AM
at this point scheff, royal, stokes and gaffney are doing good enough. i would be happy if bmarsh gets only few plays a quater as well.. until he is in sync with the offense. after week 4 we cannot afford what he is doing on field. whether he is doing them wantedly or lack of playbook

Our passing game was a lot better after Marshall came on than before he was on. Royal doesn't seem to be well suited for Kyle Ortons type of passes, Royal gets seperation with his route running but that requires a QB who can hit him in that short window before the DB catches up and Orton doesn't seem to do that with any kind of consistency.

Popcorn Sutton
09-21-2009, 07:21 AM
So far Mcdaniels/Nolan pickups of Davis/Fields/Dawkins/Hill/Goobman/Haggan looking like the best FA d haul we have had in yrs.

Add in a rookie nickleback and the fact Doom has made the transition to OLB and you have to be impressed.

Haggan was on the team last year wasn't he? Regardless, this has been a good haul for the defense. Your point is still a good one.

Sprout
09-21-2009, 07:39 AM
the man is explosive every time he touches the ball.

Yes, but it's harder to get him the ball when he makes the kind of mistakes mentioned earlier. Notice that his most explosive play yesterday was a run? You can't start calling end-arounds to get him back into the swing every time he messes up a route or two.

I could give the guy a pass on all the other stuff if he could get his head on straight, because I've always enjoyed watching him play.

Smiling Assassin27
09-21-2009, 07:47 AM
Dude is playing himself out of a lot of money, whatever the reason. i trust McD on this one--if he is a liability out there (see holding call), then he's helping us the most by parking his arse on the bench. I don't see a big, multi-year deal with a fat signing bonus in his future--at least in Denver.

TailgateNut
09-21-2009, 07:55 AM
At the game, it looked like he blew it and ran a completely wrong route, after that he was on the bench.


^this

TailgateNut
09-21-2009, 08:00 AM
bull****.
.

the man is explosive every time he touches the ball.


YEP,........but that's also the problem......he doesn't touch the ball as well anymore, and he doesn't seem to know where the **** to be to catch the ball.
A lost cause until we do some "shock therapy" on his dumb ass.

meangene
09-21-2009, 08:16 AM
Lloyd and McKinley both being inactive doesn't make sense to me the way BMarsh has been playing. An injury to Stokley, Gaffney or Royal really forces us to play Marshall. Royal was definitely not feeling well yesterday - you could see he was struggling. Thus, the IV at the half. I really would like to see McKinley get some playing time.

Broncoman13
09-21-2009, 08:24 AM
I think it mostly had to do with him having a clear lack of focus, and the coaches wanted to send him a message.

(that's the nice way of saying his head was up his ass for the first half)


I think that's probably what it was as well. He came out in the 2nd half and balled as a result. I still think he is fooling himself into thinking he is 100%. He may not be hampered by the injury anymore, but he isn't in game shape yet... week 4-6 time frame and he will really start to play BMarshesque football. If you can get him in FFLs... DO IT.

DenverBrit
09-21-2009, 08:48 AM
I'm partial to the 23 personnel package we ran on the goal line. Hot damn that's an awesome sight with three tight ends, a guard at fullback, and Peyton Hillis running full tilt. I would have to look back at the game, but I think we used the same package and flexed out Sheffler with Wimbley in man coverage. That was genius.

What a great mis-match in the red zone.

DenverBrit
09-21-2009, 08:51 AM
One thing I noticed that was missing from Marshall..............the big grin. ;D

He's either not on board or is so confused by the scheme he's not relaxed enough to smile.

rastaman
09-21-2009, 02:11 PM
if he thinks this is a way to earn his pay raise... he should understand rest of the league is watching him as well. but i think he is not really interested in a super bowl or anything... so he will not mind playing for lions or browns if they give him good money... i am done with this guy, i dont want him to be a bronco at the end of this season. if we could any value for him it will be good. but i guess that is his intention in doing stuff like this.

Who knows at this point. Perhaps he's trying too hard or he's not worried about a big contract so much as he's trying to leave Denver.

When he did catch the ball he was trying to make the most of his YAC. Even when he got the holding call, it showed how much he was trying, he just over did it.

No one knows whats going happening on the sidelines.....we as fas maybe overreacting. Give it some time.

milehighJC
09-21-2009, 02:39 PM
http://cbs4denver.com/sports/marshall.broncos.Elway.2.1198003.html

Interesting remarks from Elway. While at the game yesterday, I noticed at least twice where Marshall was not finishing routes... A quick scan on my DVR I found one of them - right around 11:30 in the 3rd. Marshall half heartedly ran the pattern, then kinda just STOPPED - while Orton was still looking for a receiver.

I would agree that when he has the ball, he seems to be playing hard - but there is more to the game than what you do when YOU have the ball.

IHMO, he isnt ready to play - whether its not knowing the playbook, not motivated - whatever his reasons, seems like more of a liability than an asset most of the time. Wouldn't be surprised if he spends a lot more time on the bench in the coming weeks.

jc

ludo21
09-21-2009, 02:41 PM
1st half our offense looked like garbage.

2nd half our offense picked it up. This may or may not mean anything Marshall related, but he was on the field a lot more in the 2nd half.

Just as Sharpe said, he is our best offensive player and he has to be on the field.

Pony Boy
09-21-2009, 02:44 PM
He had a case of "Rectal-Cranial" inversion

Rohirrim
09-21-2009, 02:45 PM
He looked completely lost to me. I think the offense is too complex for him, he probably hasn't studied it (or worse yet, can't pick it up) and he just doesn't have a clue. Orton is probably going to have to start giving him personalized instructions.

GreatBronco16
09-21-2009, 02:46 PM
I didn't read through the whole thread, so forgive me if this has been said.

McD is holding everyone accountible. You screw up, be prepared to be replaced. Example. Hillis fumbling the opening kickoff. He was replaced in a hurry.

Dedhed
09-21-2009, 03:31 PM
bull****.

marshall is our best playmaker on offense.

you can't deny this because you are homered out about his off-season issues.

the man is explosive every time he touches the ball.

You've clearly not watched any of the 1st two games. Marshall has flat out sucked.

He HAS THE ABILITY to be our best playmaker on offense, but he's not delivering the goods at all right now. If you weren't a Marshall homer you would see that as clearly as everyone else has.

FireFly
09-21-2009, 03:34 PM
I think it might also have something to do with the difference in the schemes that were being used in the 1st in 2nd half. Perhaps BM wasn't as familiar with what we were running in the 1st half?