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Bronco Rob
09-15-2009, 04:11 PM
The Broncos announced their 50th anniversary team Tuesday as voted on by fans.

Cornerback Champ Bailey, an eight-time Pro Bowl selection in his career who has been with the Broncos since 2004, is the only player on the current roster to be selected.

The first team:

First-team Offense

QB John Elway

RB Terrell Davis

RB Floyd Little

WR Ed McCaffrey

WR Rod Smith

TE Shannon Sharpe

OT Matt Lepsis

OT Gary Zimmerman

G Keith Bishop

G Mark Schlereth

C Tom Nalen

First-team Defense

DE Simon Fletcher

DE Rich Jackson

DT Trevor Pryce

DT Rubin Carter

LB Karl Mecklenburg

LB Randy Gradishar

LB Tom Jackson

CB Champ Bailey

CB Louis Wright

S Steve Atwater

S Dennis Smith

First-team Specialists

K Jason Elam

P Tom Rouen

Ret Rick Upchurch



http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2009/09/15/broncos-announce-50th-anniversary-team/




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listopencil
09-15-2009, 04:15 PM
Can you imagine rolling all those guys out on the field in their primes this Sunday? I think the Browns would just crap their pants and walk away.

Bronco LB52
09-15-2009, 04:19 PM
I'm happy enough fans gave Rich "Tombstone" Jackson and Floyd Little the recognition they deserve. These types of fan polls will always favor the most recent players so I am not that bummed about Paul Smith or Lionel Taylor getting snubbed.

TheChamp24
09-15-2009, 04:19 PM
Are we going to have a special ceremony at half time like I saw the Pats doing?

TheReverend
09-15-2009, 04:20 PM
No Ray Crockett? :)

Clockwork Orange
09-15-2009, 04:20 PM
T-Bone > Lepsis

Bronco LB52
09-15-2009, 04:22 PM
Tom Rouen is by far the most undeserving selection followed by Matt Lepsis. Ed McCaffrey shouldn't be on there either.

Bronco LB52
09-15-2009, 04:23 PM
T-Bone > Lepsis

Ken Lanier and Claudie Minor were better, too.

TheChamp24
09-15-2009, 04:26 PM
Who would you guys pick over McCaffrey?
As well as who would you pick over Rouen?
I will say I almost threw up seeing Lepsis on that list, but thank the jebus Ben Hamilton didn't miraculously make the team or I would need a new computer monitor.

Taco John
09-15-2009, 04:29 PM
Line em up and slap some flags on them!

Bronco LB52
09-15-2009, 04:39 PM
Who would you guys pick over McCaffrey?
As well as who would you pick over Rouen?
I will say I almost threw up seeing Lepsis on that list, but thank the jebus Ben Hamilton didn't miraculously make the team or I would need a new computer monitor.

Lionel Taylor over Ed McCaffrey. Taylor should be in the Pro Football HOF. He was one of the greats of the AFL.

Billy Van Heusen over Rouen.

TheReverend
09-15-2009, 04:43 PM
Lionel Taylor over Ed McCaffrey. Taylor should be in the Pro Football HOF. He was one of the greats of the AFL.

Billy Van Heusen over Rouen.

Good lord you're still an encyclopedia. :notworthy

Had to look this guy up on Wikipedia... only 6 season with Denver though... but 4 of them were the equivalent of the modern pro-bowl.

Good call, man.

Bronco LB52
09-15-2009, 04:44 PM
There's also a second team:

QB: Craig Morton
RB: Ottis Armstrong
RB: Sammy Winder
WR: Haven Moses
WR: Lionel Taylor
TE: Riley Odoms
OT: Ken Lanier
OG: Ben Hamilton
C: Billy Bryan
OG: Paul Howard
OT: Dave Studdard

DE: Rulon Jones
DT: Greg Kragen
DT: Paul Smith
DE: Alfred Williams
LB: D.J. Williams
LB: Al Wilson
LB Bill Romanowski
CB: Ray Crockett
CB: Willie Brown
S: Steve Foley
S: Goose Gonsoulin

K: Jim Turner
P: Mike Horan
KR: Billy Thompson

Ironlung
09-15-2009, 04:45 PM
Tom Rouen is by far the most undeserving selection followed by Matt Lepsis. Ed McCaffrey shouldn't be on there either.

*Lumberg voice* I'm gonna go ahead and sort of disagree with you there. On EddieMac that is.

Ironlung
09-15-2009, 04:47 PM
There's also a second team:

QB: Craig Morton
RB: Ottis Armstrong
RB: Sammy Winder
WR: Haven Moses
WR: Lionel Taylor
TE: Riley Odoms
OT: Ken Lanier
OG: Ben Hamilton
C: Billy Bryan
OG: Paul Howard
OT: Dave Studdard

DE: Rulon Jones
DT: Greg Kragen
DT: Paul Smith
DE: Alfred Williams
LB: D.J. Williams
LB: Al Wilson
LB Bill Romanowski
CB: Ray Crockett
CB: Willie Brown
S: Steve Foley
S: Goose Gonsoulin

K: Jim Turner
P: Mike Horan
KR: Billy Thompson

I like DJ but, I'll take Mobley over DJ everyday of the week.

crawdad
09-15-2009, 04:49 PM
Alzado is nowhere. I guess because of the roids and his Raider years.

GreatBronco16
09-15-2009, 04:49 PM
No Jay Cutler???


Sorry, I had to go there.

The Moops
09-15-2009, 05:12 PM
It is a CRYING SHAME that BT Billy Thompson is only included as a second-team KR.

He is worthy of Hall of Fame consideration. I love Dennis Smith, but BT should have been flanked by Steve Atwater. The fact that Steve Foley, who actually played mostly cornerback, was picked as the safety is horrible.

Foley - ZERO PRO BOWLS
THOMPSON - 3 Pro Bowls, 1x All-Pro

BroncoMan4ever
09-15-2009, 05:12 PM
There's also a second team:

QB: Craig Morton
RB: Ottis Armstrong
RB: Sammy Winder
WR: Haven Moses
WR: Lionel Taylor
TE: Riley Odoms
OT: Ken Lanier
OG: Ben Hamilton
C: Billy Bryan
OG: Paul Howard
OT: Dave Studdard

DE: Rulon Jones
DT: Greg Kragen
DT: Paul Smith
DE: Alfred Williams
LB: D.J. Williams
LB: Al Wilson
LB Bill Romanowski
CB: Ray Crockett
CB: Willie Brown
S: Steve Foley
S: Goose Gonsoulin

K: Jim Turner
P: Mike Horan
KR: Billy Thompson

if we are talking recent players, DJ should be replaced with Mobley.

also, Wilson should be 1st team over Jackson, they should be switched. Jackson 2nd team, Wilson 1st team and DJ should be dumped from the list in favor of Mobley. pre injuy, DJ isn't even in the same league as a LB as Mobley.

Ironlung
09-15-2009, 05:20 PM
if we are talking recent players, DJ should be replaced with Mobley.

also, Wilson should be 1st team over Jackson, they should be switched. Jackson 2nd team, Wilson 1st team and DJ should be dumped from the list in favor of Mobley. pre injuy, DJ isn't even in the same league as a LB as Mobley.

agreed

orinjkrush
09-15-2009, 05:23 PM
Craig Morton. Hah!

Drunk.

JPEZ
09-15-2009, 05:24 PM
T-Bone > Lepsis

I would agree with this!
I'm not familiar with Minor, Lanier or most from the 70's and 80's but to me Lepsis will forever be the guy who took Terrell out!

broncosteven
09-15-2009, 05:32 PM
I would agree with this!
I'm not familiar with Minor, Lanier or most from the 70's and 80's but to me Lepsis will forever be the guy who took Terrell out!

Tony Jones was an excellent LT, I would take him over Lepsis in a heart beat.

orinjkrush
09-15-2009, 05:54 PM
Mine's a little different:

C:\users\irish\Pictures|BroncoFiftieth.jpg

loborugger
09-15-2009, 05:59 PM
Its basically the 98 offense paired with the 77 defense. Man, what a team that woulda been.

s0phr0syne
09-15-2009, 06:02 PM
Where's Hixon? :P

gunns
09-15-2009, 06:29 PM
I'm happy enough fans gave Rich "Tombstone" Jackson and Floyd Little the recognition they deserve. These types of fan polls will always favor the most recent players so I am not that bummed about Paul Smith or Lionel Taylor getting snubbed.

I agree on Taylor but I have to wonder who Paul Smith is.

I thought has I left the list that it's too bad we couldn't put McCaffrey on there and went back and saw him. I don't know that he should be on there, as much as I love the dude. I also agree on Billy Thompson. Too bad Dennis Smith was the SS as I thought he was the better out of him and Atwater, although I love Atwater.

KipCorrington25
09-15-2009, 06:29 PM
The punter should be Mike Horan, Lionel Taylor over McCaffery all day long and Lepsis shouldn't be anywhere near this team.

phillybroncosnut
09-15-2009, 06:56 PM
Man... young fans will disagree but Greg Kragen would be on the first team... Not Trev..

phillybroncosnut
09-15-2009, 06:59 PM
I'm a bit sad my boy Steve Watson didnt make it. I think they should have chosen 3 WR's for the first team and 3 Wr's for the 2nd team. I dont think you can put Watson in the top 4 WR's but he is top 6... He'd be second team with Eddie Mac, and Vance Johnson

phillybroncosnut
09-15-2009, 07:01 PM
Wow... The more I think about it... lepsis first team? I'm actually angry about that. Is that abnormal... I'm actually angry.

fdf
09-15-2009, 07:13 PM
I'm happy enough fans gave Rich "Tombstone" Jackson and Floyd Little the recognition they deserve. These types of fan polls will always favor the most recent players so I am not that bummed about Paul Smith or Lionel Taylor getting snubbed.

Definately Taylor over McCaffrey. But both of them were guys that made their team a whole lot better. Taylor was a rare receiver. And McCaffrey was a better blocker. I will never forget that block where he leveled the LB and then stood over him pointing at him. Haven Moses has to be in the mix too.

houghtam
09-15-2009, 07:20 PM
Here's the real question: What's scarier, the first team offense or the first team defense?

Who would you rather have to gameplan against?

BroncoBuff
09-15-2009, 07:31 PM
I love Lepsis, but Tony Jones and Dave Studdard were better ... as was maybe Mike Current.

Dave Studdard went to a Pro Bowl or two ... Matt never did. And Studdard never fell on the running back, either.

BroncoBuff
09-15-2009, 07:33 PM
Here's the real question: What's scarier, the first team offense or the first team defense?

Great question, but imo easy answer: Offense. There's no answer whatsoever for that offense. That offense would put up 30 on the '85 Bears.

houghtam
09-15-2009, 07:41 PM
Great question, but imo easy answer: Offense. There's no answer whatsoever for that offense. That offense would put up 30 on the '85 Bears.

That was my first reaction too, but after looking harder at the D, it's difficult not to put more thought into it. It would be tough to pass or run on that team, not to mention you'd have to have a deep receiver corps after Atwater, Smith & Co. start laying em out.

bronco militia
09-15-2009, 07:48 PM
this is an accurate representation of the age of broncos fans that use the internet.

imagine the resutls if this was only done through phone calls and snail mail.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-15-2009, 07:50 PM
Awesome team all around... but Louis Wright just makes me smile and remenisce of one of my favorite childhood memories. 1985, Chargers at Denver. You know what I'm talkin bout.

Hogan11
09-15-2009, 07:54 PM
No Brandon Marshall? ???

Seriously though, no arguement on either list from me, well chosen IMHO.

However I would place Charley Johnson over Morton on the 2nd team (but that's a purely personal choice only).

Rock Chalk
09-15-2009, 07:58 PM
if we are talking recent players, DJ should be replaced with Mobley.

also, Wilson should be 1st team over Jackson, they should be switched. Jackson 2nd team, Wilson 1st team and DJ should be dumped from the list in favor of Mobley. pre injuy, DJ isn't even in the same league as a LB as Mobley.

Wilson was a MLB though.

IF they went with a 3-4 Lineup, Gradishar and Wilson in the middle? Forget about it. We'd **** everyone up just with those two guys.

Gradishar, Wilson, Champ, Atwater, and DS (or as Moops eloquently pointed out, Billy Thompson replacing one of those safeties) and Meck alone would stomp the **** out of any offense that has ever been put on the playing field in any era.

Rock Chalk
09-15-2009, 07:59 PM
Awesome team all around... but Louis Wright just makes me smile and remenisce of one of my favorite childhood memories. 1985, Chargers at Denver. You know what I'm talkin bout.

Im telling you, this play is one of the most memorable plays in the history of the Denver Broncos organization. These ****tards at ESPN talking about the Stokely catch being the most amazing finish in Denver history are idiots and dont know a ****ing thing.

How does a blocked kick, negated by a penalty and then another blocked kick returned for a TD ever get topped? It doesn't. Period.

SoDak Bronco
09-15-2009, 08:09 PM
And how the hell do we only have 2 guys in the HOF? Those are some great players!!

Dr. Broncenstein
09-15-2009, 08:12 PM
Im telling you, this play is one of the most memorable plays in the history of the Denver Broncos organization. These ****tards at ESPN talking about the Stokely catch being the most amazing finish in Denver history are idiots and dont know a ****ing thing.

How does a blocked kick, negated by a penalty and then another blocked kick returned for a TD ever get topped? It doesn't. Period.

It wasn't negated by a penalty... we called timeout. Not sure if in retrospect we were trying to ice the kicker, but it was a timeout that negated the first block. I agree that as far as miraculous finishes go, that was an order of magintude more miraculous than last week.

Rock Chalk
09-15-2009, 08:16 PM
It wasn't negated by a penalty... we called timeout. Not sure if in retrospect we were trying to ice the kicker, but it was a timeout that negated the first block. I agree that as far as miraculous finishes go, that was an order of magintude more miraculous than last week.

You're right.

For some reason I was thinking it was like 4th and 7 and we got called on offsides.

But whatever, still ****ing awesome.

Marshall Dumervil
09-15-2009, 08:16 PM
Awesome team all around... but Louis Wright just makes me smile and remenisce of one of my favorite childhood memories. 1985, Chargers at Denver. You know what I'm talkin bout.

That's the earliest Bronco memory that I have. I was 8. My dad, uncle, and me were hooting and hollering about that one.

I wish I could have seen Tombstone play, that guy was a complete madman. The piece on him on the History of the Broncos DVD is awesome. :thumbsup:

phillybroncosnut
09-15-2009, 08:26 PM
That's the earliest Bronco memory that I have. I was 8. My dad, uncle, and me were hooting and hollering about that one.

I wish I could have seen Tombstone play, that guy was a complete madman. The piece on him on the History of the Broncos DVD is awesome. :thumbsup:

The MAN in my avatar is the player you want to see...

BroncoBuff
09-15-2009, 08:39 PM
QB: Craig Morton
RB: Otis Armstrong
RB: Sammy Winder
WR: Haven Moses
WR: Lionel Taylor
TE: Riley Odoms
OT: Ken Lanier
OG: Ben Hamilton
C: Billy Bryan
OG: Paul Howard
OT: Dave Studdard

DE: Rulon Jones
DT: Greg Kragen
DT: Paul Smith
DE: Alfred Williams
LB: D.J. Williams
LB: Al Wilson
LB Bill Romanowski
CB: Ray Crockett
CB: Willie Brown
S: Steve Foley
S: Goose Gonsoulin

K: Jim Turner
P: Mike Horan
KR: Billy Thompson

Wrong ones in bold: Billy Thompson is easily better than Steve Foley, BT made maybe 4 Pro Bowls, Foley none.
Bob Swenson was better than DJ ... for a time, Swenson was the best SOLB in the league
No way Winder ... a 3.2 career ypc avg. Mike Anderson should be there. :peace:
Something about Hamilton seems wrong, but I can't think of a better guy right now
Ken Lanier is on there for longevity only. Tony Jones and Mike Current were better. Heck, wait four months and put Clady on there rather than Ken
Darrien Gorden should be #2 returner, Billy Thompson only returned kicks a year or two (though he led the NFL in KR and PR the same year)
They should keep Jim Turner off there on sheer principal, he'a a raging asshat

Can't remember if the '85 double touchdown blocks were a penalty or a timeout ... ??? ... but it was definitely an OVERTIME win.

B-Love
09-15-2009, 08:39 PM
Keith Bishop on the 1st Team?? Total BS, for him to get the spot over Paul Howard is a horrible injustice.

Bishop was drafted in 1980 and spent 4 years backing up Tom Glassic at left Guard, until Glassic retired to play with his toy soldiers.

Paul Howard was the UNTESTED starter from 1974 through 1986, until his untimely injury in the 1986 Pats playoff game did not allow him to play in the "Drive" game in Cleveland.

Howard was the starting Right Guard for at least 3 seasons, for 3 different Head Coaches.

74-76 Ralston
77-80 Red Miller
81-86 Reeves

Bishop was a Starter for 5 years. Disgraceful pick for our fan base.

BroncoBuff
09-15-2009, 08:42 PM
Lionel Taylor over Ed McCaffrey. Taylor should be in the Pro Football HOF. He was one of the greats of the AFL.

Billy Van Heusen over Rouen.

Agree on both ... Tom Rouen is a Buff, but the guy was so frustrating, he was a touchback machine :~ohyah!:

Love me some Billy Van Heusen ... he was the #3 WR in addition to being a punter ... and he was the first autograph I ever got ;D

Dr. Broncenstein
09-15-2009, 08:44 PM
Keith Bishop on the 1st Team?? Total BS, for him to get the spot over Paul Howard is a horrible injustice.

Bishop was drafted in 1980 and spent 4 years backing up Tom Glassic at left Guard, until Glassic retired to play with his toy soldiers.

Paul Howard was the UNTESTED starter from 1974 through 1986, until his untimely injury in the 1986 Pats playoff game did not allow him to play in the "Drive" game in Cleveland.

Howard was the starting Right Guard for at least 3 seasons, for 3 different Head Coaches.

74-76 Ralston
77-80 Red Miller
81-86 Reeves

Bishop was a Starter for 5 years. Disgraceful pick for our fan base.

Hardcore bro... I have much to learn.

Br0nc0Buster
09-15-2009, 08:44 PM
I wasnt around during the Orange Crush years so I dont know many of these guys as well as most on here, but I would put Clady in there over Lepsis

And I dont know how good Tom Jackson was, obviously good, but Al Wilson was amazing

atomicbloke
09-15-2009, 08:45 PM
It pains me to see Trevor Pryce on that list.

Why did we ever let that dude get away. I am sure Shanny could have worked him under the salary cap if he wanted, he was good with that.

B-Love
09-15-2009, 08:46 PM
And Alzado obviously destroyed his Broncos Base by playing for the Faid.

But for Fletcher to be a 1st Team DE when he played 20% of his career at that position, makes our fan base look retarded.

Lyle Alzado was the best Right Defensive End in the history of the team. Lyle was ****ing crazy, he had a very good speed rush, was an excellent bull rusher, and played the run very well.

I understand why Alzado is not on there, but it makes us look stupid to non Broncos fans.

BroncoBuff
09-15-2009, 08:47 PM
Keith Bishop on the 1st Team?? Total BS, for him to get the spot over Paul Howard is a horrible injustice.

Bishop was drafted in 1980 and spent 4 years backing up Tom Glassic at left Guard, until Glassic retired to play with his toy soldiers.

Paul Howard was the UNTESTED starter from 1974 through 1986, until his untimely injury in the 1986 Pats playoff game did not allow him to play in the "Drive" game in Cleveland.

Howard was the starting Right Guard for at least 3 seasons, for 3 different Head Coaches.

74-76 Ralston
77-80 Red Miller
81-86 Reeves

Bishop was a Starter for 5 years. Disgraceful pick for our fan base.

Good call. Bishop was good, but he was no Paul Howard.

Keith Bishop went to a couple Pro Bowls on sheer AFC player word of mouth. Something happened in a game, can't remember the exact details, but Keithe really impressed Joe Klecko and Mark Gastineau in a game against the Jets (might've been MNF at Shea). Anyway, the Jets started some league-wide player support that sent Keith to a couppla Pro Bowls. That was back when fans didn't vote, so the players basically decided.

Steve Watson did the same thing for Raymond Clayborne. Said the guy was nasty as could be.

Rock Chalk
09-15-2009, 08:48 PM
Keith Bishop on the 1st Team?? Total BS, for him to get the spot over Paul Howard is a horrible injustice.

Bishop was drafted in 1980 and spent 4 years backing up Tom Glassic at left Guard, until Glassic retired to play with his toy soldiers.

Paul Howard was the UNTESTED starter from 1974 through 1986, until his untimely injury in the 1986 Pats playoff game did not allow him to play in the "Drive" game in Cleveland.

Howard was the starting Right Guard for at least 3 seasons, for 3 different Head Coaches.

74-76 Ralston
77-80 Red Miller
81-86 Reeves

Bishop was a Starter for 5 years. Disgraceful pick for our fan base.

Whats disgraceful about it?

Most people that vote on the internet are too young to remember O-linemen from the early 80s and 70s.

The Broncos didn't mail out voting cards to the fan base so you old timers could vote.

BroncoBuff
09-15-2009, 08:55 PM
Most people that vote on the internet are too young to remember O-linemen from the early 80s and 70s.

The Broncos didn't mail out voting cards to the fan base so you old timers could vote.

I thought that was true until I saw the second team ... there's pretty good historical representation on the second team.

Los Broncos
09-15-2009, 09:30 PM
Alzado is nowhere. I guess because of the roids and his Raider years.

Jackson is reason Alzado did roids.

Garcia Bronco
09-15-2009, 09:52 PM
Alzado is nowhere. I guess because of the roids and his Raider years.

Willie Brown is on there.

BroncoLifer
09-16-2009, 12:06 PM
Who would you guys pick over McCaffrey?


I never saw Lionel Taylor, but I'll still say Steve Watson was better than Eddie, for sure. He was a great receiver and didn't have someone of Rod Smith's caliber to draw away coverage.

BroncoMan4ever
09-16-2009, 12:43 PM
Wilson was a MLB though.

IF they went with a 3-4 Lineup, Gradishar and Wilson in the middle? Forget about it. We'd **** everyone up just with those two guys.

Gradishar, Wilson, Champ, Atwater, and DS (or as Moops eloquently pointed out, Billy Thompson replacing one of those safeties) and Meck alone would stomp the **** out of any offense that has ever been put on the playing field in any era.

i didn't really look at the list with the LB corps in terms of SAM, WILL or MIKE. i just looked at it as the 3 best LBs per team. and for that reason i feel Wilson should be 1st team, and Jackson 2nd team.

Gradishar and WIlson in the middle would be a destroyer of worlds. i'd piss myself if i was a RB running up the middle to meet those guys or a WR coming across the middle for a short pass.

broncocalijohn
09-16-2009, 12:52 PM
Tom Rouen is by far the most undeserving selection followed by Matt Lepsis. Ed McCaffrey shouldn't be on there either.

I would have to agree on this. Ed McCaffrey is a fan favorite and fans voted so you know that would happen. Pretty good list as I dont hate the 3 that you mentioned. Simon Fletcher as a DE is pretty funny as he did his damage during the Reeves era as a linebacker but I dont think I would want to omit the other 3 choosen.

broncocalijohn
09-16-2009, 12:59 PM
Craig Morton. Hah!

Drunk.

My first hero of the broncos. No one can question the commitment he put in to actually getting to the Raiders Playoff game in 77 when he was bed ridden in the hospital. Where is Barney Chavous on that list? I thought he was worthy enough to hit the 2nd team.

Beantown Bronco
09-16-2009, 01:02 PM
Can't believe Engleberger got snubbed.

Smiling Assassin27
09-16-2009, 01:03 PM
Stokley should've got his own honorary spot.

Tombstone RJ
09-16-2009, 01:06 PM
No Gaston Green? No Bobby Humphries? Oh well, I guess I'll make do with Sammy Winder...

broncocalijohn
09-16-2009, 01:06 PM
Stokley should've got his own honorary spot.

actually, that would have gone to Jeremiah Castille.

BroncoLifer
09-16-2009, 01:37 PM
I just realized that there are some spots missing:

HC: Mike Shanahan
GM: John Ralston
Owner: Pat Bowlen

broncosteven
09-16-2009, 03:07 PM
Lonnie Perrin should get the Kickoff Specialist/RB slot and Larsen needs some love for being the 1st player in modern era to play both ways.

Blart
09-16-2009, 03:45 PM
No Gaston Green? No Bobby Humphries? Oh well, I guess I'll make do with Sammy Winder...

Gaston Green had several awesome breakout runs but wasn't consistent. You could make a case for Humphrey, who had a great 2 years, but the holdout killed most of the good memories.

Winder had a real six year career as a Bronco and helped us get to 3 super bowls. He deserves 2nd team.


I also agree McCaffrey doesn't deserve 1st team, even though I love him. Shouldn't one of the 3 amigos be up there?

anthonypacino
09-16-2009, 04:13 PM
Tom Rouen is by far the most undeserving selection followed by Matt Lepsis. Ed McCaffrey shouldn't be on there either.

I totally agree, Paul Smith, Mike Horan and Haven Moses should be on the first team, and I would not have Lepsis over Lanier and I would have Al Wilson ahead of Tom Jackson and LB corps of Gradishar, Wilson, Meck would be soul crushing. obviously the voting fanbase were probably folks who had no idea who these people were or latched onto the team during the Shanny era.

BroncoBuff
09-16-2009, 04:19 PM
No Gaston Green? No Bobby Humphries? Oh well, I guess I'll make do with Sammy Winder...

Mike Anderson deserved it over Winder ...

anthonypacino
09-16-2009, 04:25 PM
Mike Anderson deserved it over Winder ...

I would take Otis Armstrong over Anderson anyday of the week..Whoops didn't see him already on the list..sorry Buff! I might even throw up Steve Swell or HoGriff on there...they didn't get the carries but each one did many other things that helped both SB era teams

BroncoBuff
09-17-2009, 12:10 PM
Good call. Bishop was good, but he was no Paul Howard.

Keith Bishop went to a couple Pro Bowls on sheer AFC player word of mouth. Something happened in a game, can't remember the exact details, but Keithe really impressed Joe Klecko and Mark Gastineau in a game against the Jets (might've been MNF at Shea). Anyway, the Jets started some league-wide player support that sent Keith to a couppla Pro Bowls. That was back when fans didn't vote, so the players basically decided.


Cross-thread synergy .... B-Love you posted this picture in the jerseys thread:

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4771/79424707.jpg


That was the MNF game I was talking about - though it was the Meadowlands, not Shea. That was a 1986 game, and sure enough, Keith Bishop made the Pro Bowl that year and the next, 86 and 87: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BishKe00.htm

He wasn't all that deserving of the Pro Bowls, and we know he he shouldn't have made the 1st team ahead of Paul Howard.

BroncoBuff
09-17-2009, 12:14 PM
Can't stress enough that Winder had no business on there .... just ONE thousand yard season (2nd best year was 780).

Anderson on the other hand had TWO thousand yard seasons, and played FB when asked.

broncosteven
09-17-2009, 12:17 PM
Can't stress enough that Winder had no business on there .... just ONE thousand yard season (2nd best year was 780).

Anderson on the other hand had TWO thousand yard seasons, and played FB when asked.

He also passed the duchie to the left hand side.

If not for that maybe he gets in?

DHallblows
09-17-2009, 03:58 PM
Does anybody else find it odd they have 2 RBs and 2 WRs instead of 1RB and 3 WRs? I wonder if they had it as 1 RB and changed it to 2 when Davis beat out Little as #1 so as to not upset the older fans???

ak1971
09-17-2009, 08:48 PM
Norris Weese!

bowtown
09-17-2009, 09:14 PM
Norris Weese!

Dude, please please change that avatar.

ak1971
09-17-2009, 09:30 PM
Dude, please please change that avatar.

some of my new talent

Rocket 7
09-17-2009, 10:05 PM
I'm happy enough fans gave Rich "Tombstone" Jackson and Floyd Little the recognition they deserve. These types of fan polls will always favor the most recent players so I am not that bummed about Paul Smith or Lionel Taylor getting snubbed.

I'm bummed Taylor and Smith didn't make it. Two guys from New Mexico who I would like to see on the team.

DivineLegion
09-18-2009, 12:43 AM
Billy Thompson is so freaking underated for what he did for the Orange Crush. His stats are all there, yea I dont think hes higher than DS49 but I do think he should be on the second team above Steve Foley.

Archer81
09-18-2009, 01:01 AM
Tom Rouen is by far the most undeserving selection followed by Matt Lepsis. Ed McCaffrey shouldn't be on there either.


Statistically McCaffrey has superior numbers to Jackson, Nattiel, Johnson, and Watson. Lionel Taylor and he compare favorably, but Ed scored more TDs. I agree about Lepsis and Rouen.

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Bronco Rob
09-18-2009, 03:06 PM
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fdf
09-18-2009, 05:48 PM
Statistically McCaffrey has superior numbers to Jackson, Nattiel, Johnson, and Watson. Lionel Taylor and he compare favorably, but Ed scored more TDs. I agree about Lepsis and Rouen.

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Yes. But Taylor played on a team with no decent running back, no decent quarterback and no other wides that were any good. The opposing teams doubled him almost every play. He was still putting up 100 catches a season year in and year out. He also played when it was OK to mug the wide receiver. McCaffrey played with the best at the three other skill positions. Noone could double team him.

OTOH, McCaffrey played against better opposition as Taylor was in the AFL years. And McCaffrey was a better downfield blocker.

I saw both play and thought taylor was significantly better. But either are guys you really want on your team.

Archer81
09-18-2009, 09:04 PM
Yes. But Taylor played on a team with no decent running back, no decent quarterback and no other wides that were any good. The opposing teams doubled him almost every play. He was still putting up 100 catches a season year in and year out. He also played when it was OK to mug the wide receiver. McCaffrey played with the best at the three other skill positions. Noone could double team him.

OTOH, McCaffrey played against better opposition as Taylor was in the AFL years. And McCaffrey was a better downfield blocker.

I saw both play and thought taylor was significantly better. But either are guys you really want on your team.


McCaffrey and Taylor both had a single 100 reception season, and from 99-2003 the Broncos offense was not exactly spectacular. Had RB and QB issues. But if you had a team where you get McCaffrey, Taylor and R. Smith in their primes, you would be hard pressed to find a better receiving corps.

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