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lex
09-14-2009, 11:09 AM
OK, we all know that our offensive line was one of the all time best last year at protecting the passer. But give our current circumstances and a greater necessity for balance, do you think our offensive line is suited to get after teams in the running game? Im a little concerned that our offensive line in the running game.

I really want to see Moreno and Hillis to get on track and for the offense to not be all about Orton. Id like for Ortons struggles and their affect on the offense to be minimized and one way to do that is to dictate to teams by being able to run and then doing it.

1998Eternal
09-14-2009, 11:11 AM
We get stuffed every time we take to the run.

Que
09-14-2009, 11:13 AM
Doctor Que's advice: take two ZBS and call me in the morning.

WolfpackGuy
09-14-2009, 11:17 AM
Ancient Chinese proverb:

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"Drive blocking with ZBS linemen do not work."

1998Eternal
09-14-2009, 11:20 AM
Get Orton out, put Brandstater in and let Royal and Marshall go NUTS!

PRBronco
09-14-2009, 11:21 AM
I expected a much better running game than we saw yesterday. Not ready to push the panic button though. Once Kuper and Spencer Larsen get back there'll be an improvement, also I think McDaniels seems to need some time to develop confidence in handing it off to Hillis.

cutthemdown
09-14-2009, 11:23 AM
The line is going to be a work in progress. They need a bigger guard for Hamilton. Maybe even a Center with more girth.

That and they need Kuper in there.

It will get better but it's going to take a little more time, maybe another bigger play, before it really takes shape.

That or maybe they should think about adding FB a little more. Or doing a bit more 2 TE.

cutthemdown
09-14-2009, 11:24 AM
Ancient Chinese proverb:

http://zhongwen.com/g/zipu.gif http://zhongwen.com/g/zipu.gif http://zhongwen.com/g/zipu.gif http://zhongwen.com/g/zipu.gif

"Drive blocking with ZBS linemen do not work."

But the zone blocking wasn't really making the tough yrds or short yrdage stuff. It will take time to to migrate to a new system. Just have to be patient.

1998Eternal
09-14-2009, 11:25 AM
I dont think Mcdaniels is nervous with Hillis (because hes shown what he can do) so much as he is with the linemen giving him a gap to run through.

lex
09-14-2009, 11:27 AM
But the zone blocking wasn't really making the tough yrds or short yrdage stuff. It will take time to to migrate to a new system. Just have to be patient.

The zone blocking system can work in short yardage but it takes a guy with a combination of skills that you often see drafted in the first 2 or 3 rounds. There are tradeoffs when you take guys in the 7th round and try to turn them into technicians. You need guys who are strong but mobile enough instead of mobile guys, you hope might one day be strong enough.

lex
09-14-2009, 11:29 AM
The line is going to be a work in progress. They need a bigger guard for Hamilton. Maybe even a Center with more girth.

That and they need Kuper in there.

It will get better but it's going to take a little more time, maybe another bigger play, before it really takes shape.

That or maybe they should think about adding FB a little more. Or doing a bit more 2 TE.

They should definitely do this especially, if Orton isnt going to go through progressions.

ant1999e
09-14-2009, 11:29 AM
Buckhalter averaged 5.8 Yds per attempt.

lex
09-14-2009, 11:31 AM
Buckhalter averaged 5.8 Yds per attempt.

Denver had a high YPC last year but that was a function of being pass happy. Didnt Buckhalter only carry the ball 8 times? Im talking in terms of running the ball successfully while being more committed to it.

KevinJames
09-14-2009, 11:40 AM
I think not having Kuper really hurt the run game his presence in run blocking is under stated sometimes.

Buckhalter should have gotten more carries too but was dinged or was McD just giving the RBs a equal timeshare?

Peoples Champ
09-14-2009, 12:11 PM
Denver had a high YPC last year but that was a function of being pass happy. Didnt Buckhalter only carry the ball 8 times? Im talking in terms of running the ball successfully while being more committed to it.


I dont think we will commit to it. I think our pass will set up the run, just like New Englands offense. Even when they had Dillon they were still pass happy. WE will have good rushing numbers because of the passing game, just like the patriots.

Smiling Assassin27
09-14-2009, 12:11 PM
Having a stable of backs in the game is counterproductive, IMO. None of them can establish a rhythm if they're rotated after a poor run. Pick one, maybe two guys and get them ALL the carries. I believe we have the OL to be multi-dimensional but we gotta pick one or two horses and get them opportunities.

tsiguy96
09-14-2009, 12:13 PM
Having a stable of backs in the game is counterproductive, IMO. None of them can establish a rhythm if they're rotated after a poor run. Pick one, maybe two guys and get them ALL the carries. I believe we have the OL to be multi-dimensional but we gotta pick one or two horses and get them opportunities.

i agree, and they need to utilize hillis more in the passing game instead of lead blocker on every play.

lex
09-14-2009, 12:14 PM
I dont think we will commit to it. I think our pass will set up the run, just like New Englands offense. Even when they had Dillon they were still pass happy. WE will have good rushing numbers because of the passing game, just like the patriots.

Minus Brady.

PRBronco
09-14-2009, 12:18 PM
i agree, and they need to utilize hillis more in the passing game instead of lead blocker on every play.

Interesting side note, did anyone notice that Hillis led the team with 3 ST tackles yesterday? What a ****ing animal.

Crushaholic
09-14-2009, 12:21 PM
Apparently, the gameplan for this particular game was to get the smaller back (Buckhalter) the majority of the touches, instead of Hillis. That's fine with me. There will come a time when Hillis will get the ball more. Unpredictability can be a very good thing...

bendog
09-14-2009, 12:22 PM
I didn't see anything to suggest Kyle "four fingers" Orton can force teams out of 8 in the box, even if he throws 40 times. I was like SOB after the shoulder injuries. No team can run against any but the worst NFL team if they can bring the safties up.

lex
09-14-2009, 12:25 PM
I didn't see anything to suggest Kyle "four fingers" Orton can force teams out of 8 in the box, even if he throws 40 times. I was like SOB after the shoulder injuries. No team can run against any but the worst NFL team if they can bring the safties up.

You make a fair point but during the Vikings Browns game yesterday they did a good job of explaining how thats a myth.

Bronco Yoda
09-14-2009, 12:28 PM
Ancient Chinese proverb:

http://zhongwen.com/g/zipu.gif http://zhongwen.com/g/zipu.gif http://zhongwen.com/g/zipu.gif http://zhongwen.com/g/zipu.gif

"Drive blocking with ZBS linemen do not work."

thems olden chinese were some smart fellers

Peoples Champ
09-14-2009, 12:28 PM
Minus Brady.

Oh ya i forgot that key part

Cool Breeze
09-14-2009, 12:33 PM
I hope we can run this week -
The Browns gave up 180 yds. to Peterson Sunday.
They gave up an average of 152 rushing yards per game last year - This is our opportunity!

Pony Boy
09-14-2009, 12:37 PM
Interesting side note, did anyone notice that Hillis led the team with 3 ST tackles yesterday? What a ****ing animal.

Yes it's obivious Hillis is going to be a ST standout, because MacDaniels is never going to give him a chance at RB. I just don't understand it , he looks great in pre-season and doesn't get a shot at RB ........ Is there something going on between McD and Hillis? He will get a chance somewhere when he becomes a free agent .....

bendog
09-14-2009, 12:52 PM
You make a fair point but during the Vikings Browns game yesterday they did a good job of explaining how thats a myth.

I didn't watch the browns vikings. But there's no way a team can consistly sell out against the run with only one safety deep if you have a qb who can throw a 30 yd sideline pattern and two wr's who can run it. You'll have one on one coverage on one side every single play. The other way to back a defense up is with TE like sharpe who could catch a crossing pass and run past the safeties before one of them could tackle him in the middle of the horizontal field.

cmhargrove
09-14-2009, 01:41 PM
Yes it's obivious Hillis is going to be a ST standout, because MacDaniels is never going to give him a chance at RB. I just don't understand it , he looks great in pre-season and doesn't get a shot at RB ........ Is there something going on between McD and Hillis? He will get a chance somewhere when he becomes a free agent .....

It's a long season.

We will probably see games where we highlight different players - Hillis will have his time to shine, Nothing wrong with spreading the ball around.

Buckhalter was surprisingly effective, and I think he could really set up our offense nicely if he keeps producing like that.

Let's just wait to see what we dial up against the Brownies...

BigPlayShay
09-14-2009, 02:06 PM
Yes it's obivious Hillis is going to be a ST standout, because MacDaniels is never going to give him a chance at RB. I just don't understand it , he looks great in pre-season and doesn't get a shot at RB ........ Is there something going on between McD and Hillis? He will get a chance somewhere when he becomes a free agent .....

Think it had anything to do with Larsen being injured just before the game?

fontaine
09-14-2009, 02:46 PM
I think the running game will get better. Right now I would prefer the straight up, smash mouth style of Hillis but the HC has got to justify that 1st he dropped on Moreno.

Sucks for Hillis and isn't fair but that's life.

Right now though, the biggest problem with the running game isn't the OL or RBs it's the fact that right off the bat they were facing 8/9 man fronts because no one takes our QB seriously.

Weak armed QBs, that can't make intermediate passes are the death of running games.

1998Eternal
09-14-2009, 02:53 PM
I think the talent is there, just need to establish chemistry between the linemen and the ball carrier.

lex
09-14-2009, 02:54 PM
I think the talent is there, just need to establish chemistry between the linemen and the ball carrier.

Interesting. Do you see the RBBC being an obstacle for RBs developing chemistry?