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DomCasual
09-14-2009, 10:59 AM
At this point, I'm guessing they go 8-8. That should have us picking around fifteen.

Anyone else care to guess?

I'll admit. I'm feeling pretty satisfied right now.

My little girl had a friend over last week, and they got into a colossal two-year-old fight over a toy. So what happens? Toy gets taken away, and neither of them get it.

That's pretty much how I feel today. We didn't get Cutler; but I bet as the pressure mounts in the Windy City, the Bears realize that they didn't get the guy they thought they were getting, either.

Man-Goblin
09-14-2009, 11:03 AM
C'mon 5-11 baby!

Bronco LB52
09-14-2009, 11:08 AM
C'mon 5-11 baby!

Be careful for what you wish for. A 5-11 season might get Lovie Smith fired.

If Lovie is dismissed, Mike Shanahan, an Eastern Illinois alumnus and an Irish Catholic, would be the favorite for that job:D

lex
09-14-2009, 11:10 AM
At this point its a top 16 pick.

Eldorado
09-14-2009, 11:10 AM
Be careful for what you wish for. A 5-11 season might get Lovie Smith fired.

If Lovie is dismissed, Mike Shanahan, an Eastern Illinois alumnus and an Irish Catholic, would be the favorite for that job:D

Good. In that senario, we get a top 5 pick and shanny goes to the NFC. Perfect.

Mogulseeker
09-14-2009, 11:13 AM
Be careful for what you wish for. A 5-11 season might get Lovie Smith fired.

If Lovie is dismissed, Mike Shanahan, an Eastern Illinois alumnus and an Irish Catholic, would be the favorite for that job:D

C'mon 2-14.

I don't care if Shanny goes to Chicago AFTER this year, and I don't care how well the Bears do AFTER this year.

Mogulseeker
09-14-2009, 11:14 AM
Good. In that senario, we get a top 5 pick and shanny goes to the NFC. Perfect.

Exactly

tsiguy96
09-14-2009, 11:14 AM
At this point its a top 16 pick.

you can hop back on the bandwagon anytime.

lex
09-14-2009, 11:16 AM
you can hop back on the bandwagon anytime.


What bandwagon? I guess it would take a Johhny-Come-Lately to know what that is.

TheDave
09-14-2009, 11:17 AM
As long as they miss the playoffs we will be in the upper teens... Last nights loss was good on several different levels. :thumbs:

DBroncos4life
09-14-2009, 11:18 AM
you can hop back on the bandwagon anytime.

2001

SoDak Bronco
09-14-2009, 11:19 AM
If they can manage to go 8-8 to 6-10 we all would be doin backflips. they are a talented team w/an easy schedule. I'd love to see it.

Man-Goblin
09-14-2009, 11:21 AM
Good. In that senario, we get a top 5 pick and shanny goes to the NFC. Perfect.

Agreed. He's going to coach somewhere next year, fellas. If he gets Cutler back, so be it, although I'd have a hard time wishing Shanahan the best as I greatly desire for Cutler to fail. The o-line and receiving corps would need rebuilding (which we know Shanahan can do), but he'd also inherit an aging defense with primarily cover-2 personnel (I think they still run that?).

HILife
09-14-2009, 11:22 AM
Come on 2008-2009 Detriot Lions Part II

Peoples Champ
09-14-2009, 11:48 AM
did we trade that Bears 1st round pick to Seattle to move up for Alphonso Smith? or am I just an idiot? You can call me an idiot, I dont care.

TheDave
09-14-2009, 11:49 AM
did we trade that Bears 1st round pick to Seattle to move up for Alphonso Smith? or am I just an idiot? You can call me an idiot, I dont care.

NO we traded ours...

...we really need to sticky that somewhere.

NYBronc
09-14-2009, 11:49 AM
We traded our pick to Seattle.

Eldorado
09-14-2009, 11:49 AM
did we trade that Bears 1st round pick to Seattle to move up for Alphonso Smith? or am I just an idiot? You can call me an idiot, I dont care.

Id 10 T

Peoples Champ
09-14-2009, 11:50 AM
NO we traded ours...

...we really need to sticky that somewhere.



Oh, thanks for the clear up, you guys can call me dumb.

llayne
09-14-2009, 11:54 AM
Come on 2008-2009 Detriot Lions Part II:thumbs::yayaya:^5

Rock Chalk
09-14-2009, 11:57 AM
If they can manage to go 8-8 to 6-10 we all would be doin backflips. they are a talented team w/an easy schedule. I'd love to see it.

They dont have an "easy" schedule.

They do have some easy games but they got some brutal games as well.

Detroit x2, Cleveland, Cincy, Arizona (home game), St Louis.

Those are games they should win.

Every other game on their schedule they could lose. GBx2, Minny x2, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, SF and Seattle (both road games) and Philly. None of those look like easy games to a team with a QB that pouts, no WRs, no O-line and a defense minus their top leader the rest of the season.

6-10.

Also note, Matt Forte hasn't cracked 100 yards in like 6 straight games goin back to last year.

Bronco Yoda
09-14-2009, 11:58 AM
I don't see them any better than 6-10 at this point.

gtown
09-14-2009, 12:03 PM
I think they go 7-9. They will win the easy ones, and possibly one of the ones they aren't supposed to win. I had them pegged at 9-7 before the Urlacher injury. He is a major loss as QB of the defense. If they have any OL issues, especially on the interior, they might be done. Cutlerf**k doesn't do well with pressure up the middle.

lex
09-14-2009, 12:04 PM
I think they go 7-9. They will win the easy ones, and possibly one of the ones they aren't supposed to win. I had them pegged at 9-7 before the Urlacher injury. He is a major loss as QB of the defense. If they have any OL issues, especially on the interior, they might be done. Cutler**** doesn't do well with pressure up the middle.

Word on the street is that they will sign Derrick Brooks.

Cool Breeze
09-14-2009, 12:21 PM
Talk about bad news bears...

Linebacker Pisa Tinaisamoa day to day with knee sprain

By Vaughn McClure
Although the Bears received bad news with Brian Urlacher lost for the season, there is a chance another starting linebacker could play against the Steelers on Sunday. Pisa Tinoisamoa is day to day after spraining his right knee in the first quarter of Sunday's 21-15 loss to the Packers, according to an NFL source.
He wore a heavy brace after the game. Nick Roach replaced Tinoisamoa in the lineup. If Tinoisamoa is unavailable Sunday, Roach could get the start at strong-side linebacker.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/huddleup/2009/09/linebacker-pisa-tinaisamoa-day-to-day-with-knee-sprain.html

barryr
09-14-2009, 12:33 PM
The NFC is pretty tough. You have the Giants, Dallas, Philly, Saints, Seattle, and Atlanta that are favorites to win playoff spots. One of these teams won't make it because the Vikes, Packers, Bears will get a spot by winning their division. I only see the Bears making the playoffs by winning their division. I don't think they will have a good enough record to get a wild card spot. Just too many good teams in the NFC, although playing the Lions twice is an advantage.

KevinJames
09-14-2009, 12:37 PM
Jay is win-less against the Lions lol

scorpio
09-14-2009, 12:40 PM
Be careful for what you wish for. A 5-11 season might get Lovie Smith fired.

If Lovie is dismissed, Mike Shanahan, an Eastern Illinois alumnus and an Irish Catholic, would be the favorite for that job:D

Rather have him in Chicago than SD

iDENVER
09-14-2009, 12:46 PM
They dont have an "easy" schedule.

They do have some easy games but they got some brutal games as well.

Detroit x2, Cleveland, Cincy, Arizona (home game), St Louis.

Those are games they should win.

Every other game on their schedule they could lose. GBx2, Minny x2, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, SF and Seattle (both road games) and Philly. None of those look like easy games to a team with a QB that pouts, no WRs, no O-line and a defense minus their top leader the rest of the season.

6-10.

Also note, Matt Forte hasn't cracked 100 yards in like 6 straight games goin back to last year.

they have the easiest schedule in the nfl lol

tsiguy96
09-14-2009, 12:49 PM
Jay is win-less against the Lions lol

didnt he put up like 3 INT last time he played them? one of the lions last NFL wins.

TheDave
09-14-2009, 12:59 PM
didnt he put up like 3 INT last time he played them? one of the lions last NFL wins.

He got injured in the 1st quarter...

Pony Boy
09-14-2009, 12:59 PM
I will take Bradford, McCoy, Tebow or Sneed and I don't care which one .......

Man-Goblin
09-14-2009, 01:06 PM
C'monnnnnn 5-11! no whammy no whammy no whammy no whammy

NFLBRONCO
09-14-2009, 01:16 PM
Let's not get carried away as bad as Cutler did IT WAS A CLOSE GAME. If they got blown out I might think different. I still see Bears winning 10 games.

TheDave
09-14-2009, 01:17 PM
Let's not get carried away as bad as Cutler did IT WAS A CLOSE GAME. If they got blown out I might think different. I still see Bears winning 10 games.

All I'm hoping for is that they don't make the playoffs...

NFLBRONCO
09-14-2009, 01:20 PM
All I'm hoping for is that they don't make the playoffs...

Yeah because isn't the new draft slot for playoff teams in effect this year?

TheDave
09-14-2009, 01:22 PM
Yeah because isn't the new draft slot for playoff teams in effect this year?

Yep.... :thumbs:

tsiguy96
09-14-2009, 01:34 PM
He got injured in the 1st quarter...

all i remember is it was a nasty blowout.

BroncoMan4ever
09-14-2009, 01:34 PM
Be careful for what you wish for. A 5-11 season might get Lovie Smith fired.

If Lovie is dismissed, Mike Shanahan, an Eastern Illinois alumnus and an Irish Catholic, would be the favorite for that job:D

works for me just as long as he doesn't end up in the AFC West.

after this year, i don't give a rats ass what Chicago does, i just want them to suck this season so we can have a good pick next year.

lex
09-14-2009, 02:02 PM
works for me just as long as he doesn't end up in the AFC West.

after this year, i don't give a rats ass what Chicago does, i just want them to suck this season so we can have a good pick next year.


Just so Pat can insist on trading it because its too expensive?

Mr. Elway
09-14-2009, 02:05 PM
Yep.... :thumbs:

How is that going to work? If you make the playoffs you draft after someone with a better record who missed the postseason?

DomCasual
09-14-2009, 02:10 PM
Just so Pat can insist on trading it because its too expensive?

Do you have proof of this?

epicSocialism4tw
09-14-2009, 02:11 PM
did we trade that Bears 1st round pick to Seattle to move up for Alphonso Smith? or am I just an idiot? You can call me an idiot, I dont care.

You sir, are an idiot.

TheDave
09-14-2009, 02:15 PM
How is that going to work? If you make the playoffs you draft after someone with a better record who missed the postseason?

Yep... all playoff teams will be seated according to when they exit with the 2 superbowl teams getting 31 & 32.

BroncoBuff
09-14-2009, 03:46 PM
We want a high enough pick to get the right quarterback, but not too high to bust the wallet. I'm hoping 5-11.

rastaman
09-14-2009, 05:11 PM
I think they go 7-9. They will win the easy ones, and possibly one of the ones they aren't supposed to win. I had them pegged at 9-7 before the Urlacher injury. He is a major loss as QB of the defense. If they have any OL issues, especially on the interior, they might be done. Cutler**** doesn't do well with pressure up the middle.

No QB does well with Pressure Up The Middle. The greatest QB of all time didn't do well with pressure up the middle. It ain't just Cutler.

Psssst! Ask Orton how much he would enjoy Pressure up the middle. Sheeessh.;)

Midnight Blue
09-14-2009, 05:21 PM
Brady got picked. Too funny.

Popps
09-14-2009, 06:21 PM
Just so Pat can insist on trading it because its too expensive?

Like someone said, you're just speculating... and beyond that, it IS expensive to draft near the top of the draft.

Personally, I think mid-first round is where you get your best bargains.

We had two great picks this year. You start picking in the top 10, and you're paying a TON of money for players with a lot of risk.

cutthemdown
09-14-2009, 06:34 PM
We don't know the real story but the football gods are speaking.

Cmon out of nowhere Broncos get a lucky win? Not to mention when Royal got popped I was like oh man you know he's hurt. That's Broncos luck. Hmmmmm nope he was back out there!!!!!

Noe Bears lose best player on defense for the yr and Cutler throws 4 picks? Hmmm the football gods are indeed speaking!!!!!

DomCasual
09-14-2009, 07:04 PM
Like someone said, you're just speculating... and beyond that, it IS expensive to draft near the top of the draft.

Personally, I think mid-first round is where you get your best bargains.

We had two great picks this year. You start picking in the top 10, and you're paying a TON of money for players with a lot of risk.

I love how he says something that comes straight from his ass, then disappears.

He just seems totally content with his worthlessness.

mhgaffney
09-14-2009, 07:19 PM
Orton will get Royal hurt yet the way he throws.

Hulamau
09-14-2009, 07:45 PM
Like someone said, you're just speculating... and beyond that, it IS expensive to draft near the top of the draft.

Personally, I think mid-first round is where you get your best bargains.

We had two great picks this year. You start picking in the top 10, and you're paying a TON of money for players with a lot of risk.

Amen to that, the top 10 is strictly for potential Franchise QB's, LT or NT/DE and even then its a crap shoot, and if you miss you get reamed for years.

Pick 9 through 17 is a good zone unless we really need to go for one of the top QB's next year?

lex
09-14-2009, 08:18 PM
I will take Bradford, McCoy, Tebow or Sneed and I don't care which one .......

If it arrives at that point, McDaniels needs to be fired.

RhymesayersDU
09-14-2009, 08:33 PM
Do you have proof of this?

I tend to agree with lex, sadly. And no, I have no proof. We don't know what was going on behind the scenes. Maybe Seattle played hard ball and demanded it, and maybe we believe that much in Alphonso. And if Alphonso turns out to be a great player, it was obviously worth it.

I just don't see why we would trade what may very well be a Top-10 pick. I can appreciate the high bust factor, the high hold out factor, etc. We see it yearly. But I tend to believe it was money driven.

I realize that you don't have to be a #1 pick to be good, and I also realize that you don't have to be a big name QB from a big name school and be the trendy pick to be good... But considering the needs of this football team, I would have liked to keep what would have been the higher pick and at least increase our options.

SoDak Bronco
09-15-2009, 03:35 PM
Chicago tight end Desmond Clark will likely miss a few weeks as he revealed this afternoon that he suffered a cracked rib Sunday night at Green Bay.
Clark took a big shot from behind from Packers safety Aaron Rouse at the end of a 23-yard reception, and it’s believed the injury is to the back side of his ribs.
“I'm sore right now,’’ Clark said on his radio show on Voice America Sports (http://www.modavox.com/voiceamerica/vshow.aspx?sid=1520). “It hurts. I'm grimacing when I move.’’
Clark, 32, has missed just two games in six previous seasons with the Bears. He lost his starting job to Greg Olsen this season, and Olsen was throttled by the Green Bay defense that has been susceptible to tight ends in the past. Olsen caught just one pass, dropped another and was targeted by Jay Cutler on six throws.
The Bears started the season as one of six teams with four tight ends. They will elevate Michael Gaines, who was inactive on Sunday. Kellen Davis, a fifth-round pick last year from Michigan State, will be called on more.
Clark's injury wasn't the only one suffered by the Bears. Middle linebacker Brian Urlacher was lost for the season with a dislocated right wrist. Linebacker Pisa Tinoisamoa and cornerback Trumaine McBride suffered sprained knees and are week-to-week.

Man-Goblin
10-26-2009, 10:14 AM
So, uh, where we at?

JCMElway
10-26-2009, 10:19 AM
Jay is win-less against the Lions lol

Uh, he beat the Lions three weeks ago.

JCMElway
10-26-2009, 10:21 AM
I tend to agree with lex, sadly. And no, I have no proof. We don't know what was going on behind the scenes. Maybe Seattle played hard ball and demanded it, and maybe we believe that much in Alphonso. And if Alphonso turns out to be a great player, it was obviously worth it.

I just don't see why we would trade what may very well be a Top-10 pick. I can appreciate the high bust factor, the high hold out factor, etc. We see it yearly. But I tend to believe it was money driven.

I realize that you don't have to be a #1 pick to be good, and I also realize that you don't have to be a big name QB from a big name school and be the trendy pick to be good... But considering the needs of this football team, I would have liked to keep what would have been the higher pick and at least increase our options.

If I remember correctly, reports had said that we offered Chicago's pick, but Seattle wouldn't do the deal unless we gave them ours.

Pick Six
10-26-2009, 10:25 AM
Like someone said, you're just speculating... and beyond that, it IS expensive to draft near the top of the draft.

Personally, I think mid-first round is where you get your best bargains.

We had two great picks this year. You start picking in the top 10, and you're paying a TON of money for players with a lot of risk.

JaMarcus Russell is the best recent example of that risk not paying off.

cutthemdown
10-26-2009, 10:29 AM
Raiders should have signed Drew Brees, drafted Calvin Johnson, passed on Huff, Russell, DHB etc. Hindsight 50/50 or in Raiders case hindsight like a blind old man without a cane.

Old Dude
10-26-2009, 10:33 AM
Remaining games:

Black: easy. Green: tossup. Red: tough.

Cleveland Browns
Arizona Cardinals
at San Francisco 49ers
Philadelphia Eagles
at Minnesota Vikings
St. Louis Rams
Green Bay Packers
at Baltimore Ravens
Minnesota Vikings
at Detroit Lions

Broncosfreak_56
10-26-2009, 10:34 AM
Remaining games:

Black: easy. Green: tossup. Red: tough.

Cleveland Browns
Arizona Cardinals
at San Francisco 49ers
Philadelphia Eagles
at Minnesota Vikings
St. Louis Rams
Green Bay Packers
at Baltimore Ravens
Minnesota Vikings
at Detroit Lions

Wow. 6-10 looks like a real possibility. I think they will wind up around 8-8 though.

Pick Six
10-26-2009, 10:39 AM
Remaining games:

Black: easy. Green: tossup. Red: tough.

Cleveland Browns
Arizona Cardinals
at San Francisco 49ers
Philadelphia Eagles
at Minnesota Vikings
St. Louis Rams
Green Bay Packers
at Baltimore Ravens
Minnesota Vikings
at Detroit Lions

I have a good friend who watches the NFL games with me and he's a Bears fan. Yesterday, he predicted the Bears would finish 10-6. He thinks that the Bears will split with the Packers this year.

crowebomber
10-26-2009, 10:40 AM
Remaining games:

Black: easy. Green: tossup. Red: tough.

Cleveland Browns
Arizona Cardinals
at San Francisco 49ers
Philadelphia Eagles
at Minnesota Vikings
St. Louis Rams
Green Bay Packers
at Baltimore Ravens
Minnesota Vikings
at Detroit Lions

I'm thinking 7-9. I think San Fran beats them (Singletary will want to beat his old team), but I'm thinking Philadelphia is circling the drain after losing to the Raiders. That has to be demoralizing.

Old Dude
10-26-2009, 10:43 AM
There are going to be a bunch of very bad teams fighting for the top ten picks anyway:

Winless: Rams, Titans, Bucs
1 win: Chiefs, Browns, Lions
2 wins (and looking very ugly): Raiders, Redskins, Panthers.

That's nine right there.

crowebomber
10-26-2009, 10:45 AM
There are going to be a bunch of very bad teams fighting for the top ten picks anyway:

Winless: Rams, Titans, Bucs
1 win: Chiefs, Browns, Lions
2 wins (and looking very ugly): Raiders, Redskins, Panthers.

That's nine right there.

No, you have it all wrong. The Raiders are making the playoffs.

Love,
Richard Seymour.

gtown
10-26-2009, 10:48 AM
Chicago got lucky against Pitt and Seattle. They could easily be 1-5 right now. If that was the case you are talking top ten pick, maybe even top five. That would have been a blessing (good player) and a curse (guaranteed money) at the same time.

I think they win four more and end 7-9. The last three years, teams with records around 7-9 have picked around 10-12. I think that is a sweet spot. Not necessarily top 10 money, with the possibility of picking a top talent who has fallen or the luxury of picking the best player at a position of need.

snowtrx
10-26-2009, 11:09 AM
#12 has been good to us.......one more time dealer!

Either way, it will be the only top 20 pick the Broncos earn in the next decade. :charge:

baja
10-26-2009, 11:16 AM
#12 has been good to us.......one more time dealer!

Either way, it will be the only top 20 pick the Broncos earn in the next decade. :charge:

No because we will be trading some players at or near the top of their game for reasonably high first round picks. It's the hoodie way.

BroncoMan4ever
10-26-2009, 12:00 PM
Be careful for what you wish for. A 5-11 season might get Lovie Smith fired.

If Lovie is dismissed, Mike Shanahan, an Eastern Illinois alumnus and an Irish Catholic, would be the favorite for that job:D

no way, didn't Mike criticize Jay a few months back?

no chance in hell that Mike returns to Illinois to coach.

i would bet on Dallas or Washington

Breaker
10-26-2009, 12:35 PM
The question is what position do we address with the 1st rounder, evidently dont have many holes but C or a young safety to be mentored by Dawkins would probably be where I would look. Eric Berry or Taylor Mays would look pretty good in predominantly orange

TheDave
10-26-2009, 12:39 PM
The question is what position do we address with the 1st rounder, evidently dont have many holes but C or a young safety to be mentored by Dawkins would probably be where I would look. Eric Berry or Taylor Mays would look pretty good in predominantly orange

we drafted 2 safties last year... Chicago keeps this up and we are in line for

http://walterfootball.com/images/fball/TCody.jpg

rastaman
10-26-2009, 06:28 PM
Remaining games:

Black: easy. Green: tossup. Red: tough.

Cleveland Browns
Arizona Cardinals
at San Francisco 49ers
Philadelphia Eagles
at Minnesota Vikings
St. Louis Rams
Green Bay Packers
at Baltimore Ravens
Minnesota Vikings
at Detroit Lions

Orton manages the game well enough to win the toss up 49ers game...so that looks like 10 wins so far.

Dagmar
10-26-2009, 06:31 PM
orton manages the game well enough to win the toss up 49ers game...so that looks like 10 wins so far.

LOL Hilarious! :~ohyah!: LOL

rastaman
10-26-2009, 06:35 PM
no way, didn't Mike criticize Jay a few months back?

no chance in hell that Mike returns to Illinois to coach.

i would bet on Dallas or Washington

Can't see Mike going to coach in Dallas and deal with "Rattle Snake" Jones/Al Davis's little brother. I'm sure its still fresh in Shanny's mind how Jerry Jones Fired! Jimmy Johnson after Johnson won two consecutive SB while coching in Dallas.

No way does he go to Wash b/c they have no QB to build around.

Chicago seems the likely place. He has a QB already there that he drafted and there's enough collected talent on both sides of the ball to build around.

rastaman
10-26-2009, 06:36 PM
LOL Hilarious! :~ohyah!: LOL

Never knew you were capable of LAUGHTER you hateful SOB!:~ohyah!:

I guess there's hope for humanity afterall.;)

bombay
10-26-2009, 06:37 PM
Pretty damned funny that McDaniels caught so much grief for trading the Broncos pick instead of the Bears pick because the Bears were going to be Super Bowl contenders! But now, nothing but excuses for poor Jay.

lol

Dagmar
10-26-2009, 06:39 PM
Never knew you were capable of LAUGHTER you hateful SOB!:~ohyah!:

I guess there's hope for humanity afterall.;)

Hopefully not for you.

rastaman
10-26-2009, 06:40 PM
The question is what position do we address with the 1st rounder, evidently dont have many holes but C or a young safety to be mentored by Dawkins would probably be where I would look. Eric Berry or Taylor Mays would look pretty good in predominantly orange

I'd say Mays if not continue to bloster our pass rushing ability.

lex
10-26-2009, 06:52 PM
Pretty damned funny that McDaniels caught so much grief for trading the Broncos pick instead of the Bears pick because the Bears were going to be Super Bowl contenders! But now, nothing but excuses for poor Jay.

lol

You can still poke holes in it. Had Denver tanked this year, theoretically, a higher pick would have been more useful to them. It made more sense in a lot of ways to peg the pick to our own outcome.

RMT
10-26-2009, 07:47 PM
You can still poke holes in it. Had Denver tanked this year, theoretically, a higher pick would have been more useful to them. It made more sense in a lot of ways to peg the pick to our own outcome.

perhaps McDaniel was astute enough to think that he liked his team's chances of succeeding far more than the Bears - maybe that had something to do with his knowledge of the impact (or lack thereof) cutler would have on the bears' record.

NFLBRONCO
10-26-2009, 08:10 PM
Where do you see 8-8 falling this year. I figure this will be the worst the Bears will do.

SpringStein
10-26-2009, 08:22 PM
Their next 2 games are Browns and Cardinals at home. Should be 5-3 before going to SF for another winnable game.

baja
10-26-2009, 08:25 PM
They won't beat the Cards.

RMT
10-26-2009, 08:26 PM
Their next 2 games are Browns and Cardinals at home. Should be 5-3 before going to SF for another winnable game.

you expect the bears to beat the cardinals? the same cardinals who beat the giants in new york last night? that is far from a gimme for the bears.

bombay
10-26-2009, 08:28 PM
Where do you see 8-8 falling this year. I figure this will be the worst the Bears will do.


Looking at their schedule, I think that's where they end up. They aren't a team that can beat good teams (I include San Fransisco, who is so-so) on the road, but should win most of their home games. The exceptions being Minnesota and Philadelphia in Chicago.

HAT
10-26-2009, 08:30 PM
You can still poke holes in it. Had Denver tanked this year, theoretically, a higher pick would have been more useful to them. It made more sense in a lot of ways to peg the pick to our own outcome.

No, you can't. Flat out insisting that it be Denver's pick and not the lower of the two was the right thing to do and sent the right message to the team....regardless of how Chicago or Denver finishes out the next 10 games.

lex
10-26-2009, 08:32 PM
perhaps McDaniel was astute enough to think that he liked his team's chances of succeeding far more than the Bears - maybe that had something to do with his knowledge of the impact (or lack thereof) cutler would have on the bears' record.

On April 2nd? Youre just throwing spaghetti against the wall now. I can actually remember him saying something about not really knowing what he had until they put on pads (which was not before April 2nd).

RMT
10-26-2009, 08:43 PM
On April 2nd? Youre just throwing spaghetti against the wall now. I can actually remember him saying something about not really knowing what he had until they put on pads (which was not before April 2nd).

how is that argument any different than you knowing the Broncos would suck and the Bears would be playoff contenders by adding cutler? no different.

but i'll say this - mcdaniels would not have traded away the Broncos' pick unless he felt it would be comparable or lower than the bears' pick. and there's no way he would ever admit as much, but by sending the seahawks the Broncos' pick he was telling his team he had confidence that they would be better than what everyone else was thinking.

don't forget that the McDaniels made a point of telling the media he had NEVER had a losing season - EVER ... he wasn't planning on this year being the first either.

SpringStein
10-27-2009, 06:24 AM
you expect the bears to beat the cardinals? the same cardinals who beat the giants in new york last night? that is far from a gimme for the bears.

A question (that I don't know the answer to) would be - was that game a result of an upward plane by the Cards or a downward trend by the Giants? I hope it's the first, but my gut says the Giants are not the powerhouse they looked like a couple of weeks ago.

NFLBRONCO
10-27-2009, 09:39 AM
A question (that I don't know the answer to) would be - was that game a result of an upward plane by the Cards or a downward trend by the Giants? I hope it's the first, but my gut says the Giants are not the powerhouse they looked like a couple of weeks ago.

Hey George how are you doing my long lost friend :). Get ready for the snow. Anyways I don't see the bears losing more then 8 games.

lex
10-27-2009, 09:52 AM
how is that argument any different than you knowing the Broncos would suck and the Bears would be playoff contenders by adding cutler? no different.
but i'll say this - mcdaniels would not have traded away the Broncos' pick unless he felt it would be comparable or lower than the bears' pick. and there's no way he would ever admit as much, but by sending the seahawks the Broncos' pick he was telling his team he had confidence that they would be better than what everyone else was thinking.

don't forget that the McDaniels made a point of telling the media he had NEVER had a losing season - EVER ... he wasn't planning on this year being the first either.

"The Broncos will suck" was never the argument. Go back and revisit what was actually said and youll have your answer.

lex
10-27-2009, 09:58 AM
No, you can't. Flat out insisting that it be Denver's pick and not the lower of the two was the right thing to do and sent the right message to the team....regardless of how Chicago or Denver finishes out the next 10 games.

What message to the team? Most of the guys on the team are not worried about draft picks. They have enough to worry about beyond that. And besides, theres nothing saying that the deal was about belief in the current team more than it was about doing what was necessary to get the deal done since, especially if it was driven by Bowlen not wanting to pay for two 1st round picks in back to back years.

The team has other forms of motivation and this notion youre putting out there is silly.

Merlin
10-27-2009, 10:02 AM
They could conceivably go 7-9. It is a fairly poorly coached team on O (opponents studied them over the summer, and now their running attack stinks, and no OL), and their D makes very good adjustments at the half, but regularly allow 14-21 pts in the first half. The team's D is looking the way I expected our D to look this yr. Meanwhile, Denver trading away its first is looking brilliant (I thought it was idiotic at the time). There may be just a few positions difference between the actual choice and the position it was traded for. Considering 1 yr of pro experience and excellent coaching, that is a big advantage to Denver.

BossChief
10-27-2009, 10:06 AM
the bad thing about this year, is that you guys can really use a elite 5 tec or a elite NT and those will be gone by the time you pick, unless something goes drastically wrong between now and playoff time.

I dont think you guys will suffer from the same late season collapse as you did with Cutler.

When times are tough the team looks at its qb for leadership and Cutler was a good passer, but a terrible leader IMHO.

That is the reason I never started an account here while he was the QB, I would be called a troll for being realistic.

The thing you have going for you is that if there is no new cba, alot of underclassmen will declare early and that will increase the amount of good talent available toward the end of the first round.

The Joker
10-27-2009, 10:12 AM
I'd guess the Bears will finish 9-7.

Still plenty of winnable games on that schedule, and they're not as bad as they looked against Cincy.

We'll pick in the 15-20 range I'd guess, which suits me just fine.

Old Dude
10-27-2009, 10:14 AM
the bad thing about this year, is that you guys can really use a elite 5 tec or a elite NT and those will be gone by the time you pick, unless something goes drastically wrong between now and playoff time.
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Sometimes I wonder whether it's worth the money to pay for an elite NT, who often comes out during 3rd and longs. Especially at this altitude, where you really need to rotate the big guys.

Rohirrim
10-27-2009, 10:29 AM
Sometimes I wonder whether it's worth the money to pay for an elite NT, who often comes out during 3rd and longs. Especially at this altitude, where you really need to rotate the big guys.

It depends. If you can get a game changing play out of his time on the field, hell yes it's worth it. Did you see Mount Cody win that game for Alabama @ Tennesee last Saturday by blocking two kicks? And then, during the game, the line never moved back past Cody. Not once. It either went sideways or backwards. What that does is consistently put the offense in 3rd and long, which is right where you want them. Not to mention the possibility for fumbled snaps, fumbled hand offs and screwed up timing on passes. I've always been a huge fan of bringing it right up the middle. Nothing screws up QBs like Payton and Brady more. I can't even begin to imagine what a line of Peterson, Cody and McBean, with Doom on the outside would look like. Think how that frees up Davis and DJ to go hunting on the outside? Or to blitz? Go back and look at Ted Washington in his prime. You just can't put a value on the ability to destroy the center like that.

long beach bronco
10-27-2009, 10:34 AM
I can't wait till the Bears play the Cardinals, I can hear the voice of Dennis Green now: "THE BEARS ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE, THAT'S WHY WE TOOK THE **** FIELD. IF YOU WANNA CROWN EM' THEN CROWN THEIR ***.

SpringStein
10-27-2009, 10:38 AM
Hey George how are you doing my long lost friend :). Get ready for the snow. Anyways I don't see the bears losing more then 8 games.

Did you drop out of KFFL? If so, why?

(Don't be a jerk! ;)

bombay
10-27-2009, 10:38 AM
Just how did the Bears go from pre-season super bowl contender to this ... deeply flawed... bunch of bozos?

lex
10-27-2009, 10:41 AM
Just how did the Bears go from pre-season super bowl contender to this ... deeply flawed... bunch of bozos?

Did you see their defense? Its kind of ironic that the prevailing though was that the Bears would have a defense but then they lose some key guys on defense and Cutler is back to playing from behind which requires him to force things.

jhns
10-27-2009, 10:48 AM
Did you see their defense? Its kind of ironic that the prevailing though was that the Bears would have a defense but then they lose some key guys on defense and Cutler is back to playing from behind which requires him to force things.

How can you not see that it is Cutler that injures his own defense. We had all but like 3 starters injured last year on defense. The Bears have lost a lot of key defensive players already, including the best one. I think his stronger than Elway passes are the problem here.

I would have prefered to keep both picks. Now I just hope Chicago doesn't win another game so we can try for Suh. I am a Nebraska homer though and Suh is the only big name prospect I have watched a lot of. I think he would be a great end for the 3-4. Hey, I can dream can't I?

NFLBRONCO
10-27-2009, 10:52 AM
Did you drop out of KFFL? If so, why?

(Don't be a jerk! ;)

LOL good one George. I still visit KFFL often just don't post much these days.

lex
10-27-2009, 11:01 AM
How can you not see that it is Cutler that injures his own defense. We had all but like 3 starters injured last year on defense. The Bears have lost a lot of key defensive players already, including the best one. I think his stronger than Elway passes are the problem here.
I would have prefered to keep both picks. Now I just hope Chicago doesn't win another game so we can try for Suh. I am a Nebraska homer though and Suh is the only big name prospect I have watched a lot of. I think he would be a great end for the 3-4. Hey, I can dream can't I?

I was the one who wanted Denver to upgrade their running game so it wouldnt all be on Cutler. Its hard for any QB when you have to score on every drive by throwing.

BTW, its funny how people forget:

http://books.google.com/books?id=k84pD-r7L0MC&pg=PA286&lpg=PA286&dq=jim+mora+peyton+manning+interception+touchdowns&source=bl&ots=ILg5B0M5f4&sig=vJE6KHV-78sUHRBtrucRbMQ85X8&hl=en&ei=pDTnSu6HEYb8MYOu0a0I&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CBEQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=jim%20mora%20peyton%20manning%20interception%20t ouchdowns&f=false

Check out #45.

HILife
10-27-2009, 11:11 AM
i was the one who wanted denver to upgrade their running game so it wouldnt all be on cutler. Its hard for any qb when you have to score on every drive by throwing.

Btw, its funny how people forget:

http://books.google.com/books?id=k84pd-r7l0mc&pg=pa286&lpg=pa286&dq=jim+mora+peyton+manning+interception+touchdowns&source=bl&ots=ilg5b0m5f4&sig=vje6khv-78suhrbtrucrbmq85x8&hl=en&ei=pdtnsu6heyb8myou0a0i&sa=x&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0cbeq6aewag#v=onepage&q=jim%20mora%20peyton%20manning%20interception%20t ouchdowns&f=false

check out #45.

playoffs!?!?

Hercules Rockefeller
11-01-2009, 04:24 PM
Why wasn't this bumped? Another game was played, so this should be at the top so everyone can jump the gun and get their draft pick chubbies over a team through 7 games.


Ooooooh, 4-3 now with Arizona coming to Chicago next week. Maybe they'll be 5-3 after next weekend and a decent shot of only being a game back in Denver?

Oooooooh, oooooooh. People started this thread way too early.

Bronx33
11-01-2009, 04:29 PM
Why wasn't this bumped? Another game was played, so this should be at the top so everyone can jump the gun and get their draft pick chubbies over a team through 7 games.


Ooooooh, 4-3 now with Arizona coming to Chicago next week. Maybe they'll be 5-3 after next weekend and a decent shot of only being a game back in Denver?

Oooooooh, oooooooh. People started this thread way too early.


You got something against chubbies?

Hercules Rockefeller
11-01-2009, 04:40 PM
You got something against chubbies?

Yeah, if you get them because of draft picks

CEH
11-01-2009, 04:52 PM
Cutler will be injured before the season is over. He was killed today by the CLEV D. Their OLine is putrid.

Not that there's anything wrong with getting the crap beat out of you

Bronx33
11-01-2009, 04:58 PM
Yeah, if you get them because of draft picks


You mean you wouldn't get a chubby if we would have picked ed reed?:clown: