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Dagmar
09-16-2009, 11:10 AM
Did we or did we not have the #2 offense in football?

DUMBASS.

Do you believe a team wins football games by yards or scoring, please answer that. Yes, we were 2nd in yards.

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We were 16th in scoring. We racked up a lot of yards but were 16th in scoring. So no, we were not the 2nd best offense in the NFL last year.

broncofan7
09-16-2009, 11:11 AM
Dude....give it up. You're losing the argument. Yes, we were ranked the #2 offense...IN YARDS ONLY. And while I'll even concede to you that that is the "standard" (::)).....you will agree that there are other stats that are measured, yes? Namely, points, red zone efficiency, etc.

Yards mean ****, if you're not producing points and turning the ball over.

I've long been a proponent of using a formula (similar to QB rating) to calculate offensive and defensive rankings.....to rank them on yards alone is stupid.

Well that's what the NFL does! GO buy a newspaper and look for yourself.......

Dagmar
09-16-2009, 11:11 AM
It just occured to me how much time I have wasted in this thread instead of putting this retard on ignore. Ah, that's better. Now I don't need to read this pish.

broncofan7
09-16-2009, 11:12 AM
Do you believe a team wins football games by yards or scoring, please answer that. Yes, we were 2nd in yards.

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We were 16th in scoring. We racked up a lot of yards but were 16th in scoring. So no, we were not the 2nd best offense in the NFL last year.

For the 100th time--I did not make yards per /game the standard--the NFL does!!!

55CrushEm
09-16-2009, 11:13 AM
Well that's what the NFL does! GO buy a newspaper and look for yourself.......

Dude....I know that's how the offenses and defenses are "put in order"....but it is NOT entirely indicative of how GOOD they are.

Sure, you can say we had the second ranked offense (in yards ONLY) in the NFL. But if you are implying the we had the 2nd BEST offense overall in the NFL, then you are just flat out wrong....because as many have pointed out (but you seem to want to ignore), so much more goes into having a "good" offense.

TailgateNut
09-16-2009, 11:14 AM
It just occured to me how much time I have wasted in this thread instead of putting this retard on ignore. Ah, that's better. Now I don't need to read this pish.

He's a genius in his own mind.:spit:


Just think, the #22 rated offense won the SB. Damn, maybe we should strive to be #22.:spit:

Dagmar
09-16-2009, 11:14 AM
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Dagmar
09-16-2009, 11:15 AM
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TailgateNut
09-16-2009, 11:16 AM
For the 100th time--I did not make yards per /game the standard--the NFL does!!!


WAAAAAH!

You're such a whiney bitch. "Gotta be right", "mommy told me I'm a genius", "why wont these people believe me". Waaaaaah.

Cito Pelon
09-16-2009, 11:16 AM
I disagree, he contributed quite a bit in the game this week and is making an immediate impact on the field in many ways.

What other first round corners can boast that?

Jenkins was taken 14th overall by the Saints, no stats last week

Davis was taken 25th overall by the Phins, 1 tackle last week

Smith last week had 4 tackles, one assisted tackle, one for a loss and a near interception on a team that is not hurting at the CB spot.

Looks like 1st round talent to me, but I guess we shall see when the season is over right?

Good point.

Dagmar
09-16-2009, 11:17 AM
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09-16-2009, 11:17 AM
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Popcorn Sutton
09-16-2009, 11:18 AM
Are you able to think for yourself?

Please, we know what the standard ranking system is. Now be honest with yourself and answer my question, do you think it tells the whole story?

TailgateNut
09-16-2009, 11:19 AM
Do you believe a team wins football games by yards or scoring, please answer that. Yes, we were 2nd in yards.

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We were 16th in scoring. We racked up a lot of yards but were 16th in scoring. So no, we were not the 2nd best offense in the NFL last year.


He thinks teams get points for marching up and down the field.

In his world 100yds = 7 points, regardless of how many times the ball is turned over to the other team. That's how they do it in Texas.
Just tell him he's right, and he'll STFU.

broncofan7
09-16-2009, 11:19 AM
WAAAAAH!

You're such a whiney b****. "Gotta be right", "mommy told me I'm a genius", "why wont these people believe me". Waaaaaah.

I am right....nothing whiney about it. Why are people arguing with me about why the standard is what it is??? I wish I had that much pull @ NFL HQ's.....

Dagmar
09-16-2009, 11:20 AM
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broncofan7
09-16-2009, 11:20 AM
Are you able to think for yourself?

Please, we know what the standard ranking system is. Now be honest with yourself and answer my question, do you think it tells the whole story?

as soon as you concede that according to the STANDARD for NFL rankings we had the #2 offense in football, only then will I address your hypotheticals..........

55CrushEm
09-16-2009, 11:22 AM
I am right....nothing whiney about it. Why are people arguing with me about why the standard is what it is??? I wish I had that much pull @ NFL HQ's.....

It's a standard ORDERING SYSTEM.....not a standard for measuring the quality or greatness of the overall offense.

The end.

Dagmar
09-16-2009, 11:23 AM
WAAAAAH!

You're such a whiney b****. "Gotta be right", "mommy told me I'm a genius", "why wont these people believe me". Waaaaaah.

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TailgateNut
09-16-2009, 11:24 AM
I am right.........

Sure you are. Now go eat your porridge.:spit:

Popcorn Sutton
09-16-2009, 11:24 AM
as soon as you concede that according to the STANDARD for NFL rankings we had the #2 offense in football, only then will I address your hypotheticals..........

Damn, you really are a little girl. The standard ranking system is yardage.

Now, answer the question. Do you think this tells the whole story?

Be careful, because if you don't think it tells the whole story then you are admitting the system is flawed and your ENTIRE point is crap.

TailgateNut
09-16-2009, 11:25 AM
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Where did ya find BF's picture?

Dagmar
09-16-2009, 11:25 AM
It's a standard ORDERING SYSTEM.....not a standard for measuring the quality or greatness of the overall offense.

The end.

WIN.

Broncofan7 -
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TailgateNut
09-16-2009, 11:26 AM
Damn, you really are a little girl. The standard ranking system is yardage.

Now, answer the question. Do you think this tells the whole story?

Be careful, because if you don't think it tells the whole story then you are admitting the system is flawed and your ENTIRE point is crap.

Now he's confused. His SOP answer will be :"you're a moron and I'm right".

Mr.Meanie
09-16-2009, 11:27 AM
BF7 is right (for once) as far as being #2 in Offense for the entire year.

However, after the first few games teams started adjusting to our offense and that number plummeted.. ranging right around the middle of the NFL.

In the clutch, the last 3 games of the season that would have won the AFCW, we were 12th in yards and 21st in scoring. That's a far cry from just the simple "2nd ranked offense with a bad defense" stat people try to throw out there.

TailgateNut
09-16-2009, 11:28 AM
as soon as you concede that according to the STANDARD for NFL rankings we had the #2 offense in football, only then will I address your hypotheticals..........
Cry "UNCLE" and BF will STFU.

broncofan7
09-16-2009, 11:28 AM
Damn, you really are a little girl. The standard ranking system is yardage.

Now, answer the question. Do you think this tells the whole story?

Be careful, because if you don't think it tells the whole story then you are admitting the system is flawed and your ENTIRE point is crap.

HAHA! and according to that standard ranking system metric--where did the Denver Broncos rank on offense in the 2008 season? Come on--you can do it! I know you can! ;)

Cool Breeze
09-16-2009, 11:30 AM
WOW - The NFL does utilize yards as a unit of measure - they may rate an offense by this. Clearly undeniable. If you argure this position- you are right

Are points the only thing that matters in the end? Yes - Points earned and points given up. If you argue this position - you are right

Between the I am right you are wrong! The thread topic:
Bear Fans are in Full meltdown Mode
should read Bronco fans have been and continue to be in Full meltdown Mode

cryin thread jackers...

Popcorn Sutton
09-16-2009, 11:32 AM
HAHA! and according to that standard ranking system metric--where did the Denver Broncos rank on offense in the 2008 season? Come on--you can do it! I know you can! ;)

How long until you answer the damn question? I have never denied the ranking system nor the Broncos position in that system.

Answer the question. It's simple.

Do you believe this tells the whole story?

Are you afraid to answer?

broncofan7
09-16-2009, 11:40 AM
How long until you answer the damn question? I have never denied the ranking system nor the Broncos position in that system.

Answer the question. It's simple.

Do you believe this tells the whole story?

Are you afraid to answer?

Answer this:

In 2008, The Denver Broncos ranked where in total offense in the entire NFL?
a) 2nd
b)2nd
c)2nd
d) I refuse to acknowledge that BF7 is correct even though I KNOW HE IS

Dagmar
09-16-2009, 11:42 AM
WOW - The NFL does utilize yards as a unit of measure - they may rate an offense by this. Clearly undeniable. If you argure this position- you are right

Are points the only thing that matters in the end? Yes - Points earned and points given up. If you argue this position - you are right

Between the I am right you are wrong! The thread topic:
Bear Fans are in Full meltdown Mode
should read Bronco fans have been and continue to be in Full meltdown Mode

cryin thread jackers...

You kidding?
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TailgateNut
09-16-2009, 11:43 AM
Answer this:

In 2008, The Denver Broncos ranked where in total offense in the entire NFL?
a) 2nd
b)2nd
c)2nd
d) I refuse to acknowledge that BF7 is correct even though I KNOW HE IS


Answer this: Is there anyone who doesn't consider you to be an ass. (immediate family doesn't count due to bias.

broncofan7
09-16-2009, 11:45 AM
Answer this: Is there anyone who doesn't consider you to be an ass. (immediate family doesn't count due to bias.

NO.:thumbs:

Popcorn Sutton
09-16-2009, 11:46 AM
Answer this:

In 2008, The Denver Broncos ranked where in total offense in the entire NFL?
a) 2nd
b)2nd
c)2nd
d) I refuse to acknowledge that BF7 is correct even though I KNOW HE IS

Hey man, get over yourself and be an adult for one minute. There is nobody on here arguing that yardage is used to measure team offense. The argument is whether or not that is a solid indicator of how good the offense really is.

You are CORRECT. The Broncos were ranked 2nd on offense last year.

Now, do you believe this tells the whole story?

55CrushEm
09-16-2009, 11:48 AM
Answer this:

In 2008, The Denver Broncos ranked where in total offense in the entire NFL?
a) 2nd
b)2nd
c)2nd
d) I refuse to acknowledge that BF7 is correct even though I KNOW HE IS

You're acting like a child. As far as I can see, we've all conceded that the Broncos' ranked 2nd in offense according to this "flawless" ranking system.

However, you seem unwilling to concede that other factors would provide for a more COMPLETE and accurate ranking system. Not to mention, as others have pointed out already, we had a lot of yards b/c our starting field position (which sucked) allowed for a lot of yards to be gained.

So, once again.....while we agree that the newspapers, et al. RANKED us as #2.....do you honestly believe that we had the 2nd BEST OVERALL, 2nd AWESOMEST, 2nd MOST WICKED PISSAH offense in the NFL last year?

If you really believe that we did......then you sir, are simply not seeing the whole picture. But keep up your childish rants. You seem more interested in repeating over and over that you're right about the "standard" (which we've all conceded, btw), and you continue to refuse dialogue and answer others' questions about the MANY OTHER ASPECTS OF HAVING A GOOD OFFENSE.

Dagmar
09-16-2009, 11:49 AM
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GreatBronco16
09-16-2009, 11:49 AM
Answer this:

In 2008, The Denver Broncos ranked where in total offense in the entire NFL?
a) 2nd
b)2nd
c)2nd
d) I refuse to acknowledge that BF7 is correct even though I KNOW HE IS
e)BF7 is a retard unable to think for himself


I'll go with e. It is the best possible answer.

broncofan7
09-16-2009, 11:52 AM
Hey man, get over yourself and be an adult for one minute. There is nobody on here arguing that yardage is used to measure team offense. The argument is whether or not that is a solid indicator of how good the offense really is.

You are CORRECT. The Broncos were ranked 2nd on offense last year.

Now, do you believe this tells the whole story?

No--but we were not nearly as bad as STL either(and they didn't trade their QB) which was the only reason I brought that stat up in this thread. --to defend the honor of a fellow EYE-talian --Steve Spagnuolo

Miss I.
09-16-2009, 11:52 AM
WOW - The NFL does utilize yards as a unit of measure - they may rate an offense by this. Clearly undeniable. If you argure this position- you are right

Are points the only thing that matters in the end? Yes - Points earned and points given up. If you argue this position - you are right

Between the I am right you are wrong! The thread topic:
Bear Fans are in Full meltdown Mode
should read Bronco fans have been and continue to be in Full meltdown Mode

cryin thread jackers...

This.

Dagmar
09-16-2009, 11:55 AM
This.

Are you new? Of course this would happen, jesus. Go with the flow, it's funny! :twokisses

TailgateNut
09-16-2009, 11:56 AM
No--but we were not nearly as bad as STL either(and they didn't trade their QB) which was the only reason I brought that stat up in this thread. --to defend the honor of a fellow EYE-talian --Steve Spagnuolo

Italians=Attention whores. :wiggle:
Italians= Men shave their chests and women don't shave theirs.:rofl:
Italians=The only ones' who celebrate Columbus.:wiggle:
Italians=Gold makes the man.:rofl:

broncofan7
09-16-2009, 11:57 AM
Hey man, get over yourself and be an adult for one minute. There is nobody on here arguing that yardage is used to measure team offense.

Yes there were--I give you TonyR

Did we have the #2 offense in football?

AND

CRUSTY-Shackleford:

No, we sure did not. But he doesn't let facts get in the way.

broncofan7
09-16-2009, 11:58 AM
Italians=Attention whores. :wiggle:
Italians= Men shave their chests and women don't shave theirs.:rofl:
Italians=The only ones' who celebrate Columbus.:wiggle:
Italians=Gold makes the man.:rofl:

I do!

Popcorn Sutton
09-16-2009, 11:58 AM
Just answer the question. No excuses.

BroncoInSkinland
09-16-2009, 12:00 PM
Damn, you really are a little girl. The standard ranking system is yardage.
Now, answer the question. Do you think this tells the whole story?
Be careful, because if you don't think it tells the whole story then you are admitting the system is flawed and your ENTIRE point is crap.

I'll bite. No I don't think it tells the whole story. I don't think any stat tells the whole story. How about you? Do you think 16th is the proper place based solely off the 16th place scoring? You think last years Bears, Jets, Ravens, Titans, Panthers were better offenses? Do you think that our bottom 5 defense in almost every catagory might have influenced that stat through lack of turnovers, bad field position, inability to get off the field on 3rd down might have affected that? Did you find yourself at week 12 saying if only we concentrated a little more on the Offense we might make the playoffs?

I think BF7's point was that we had a very good offense that was dismantled. I would say it was a top 10 offense, a top 5 if we could have kept a RB healthy for more than 5 games. That Spagnulo managed to take over a team without destroying what was in place was what he was trying to show and I think that is fairly obvious without getting into semantics of what makes a #2 offense or a #16 offense, or something in between.

Now I would like to ask BF7 which he prefers a W from a close fought 12-7 game or an L from a 28-0 blowout. 28-0 is what Spagnulo led the Rams to, you might want to reconsidered your argument from that angle and try again, I am sure you can come up with another big bag of fail.

broncofan7
09-16-2009, 12:01 PM
Just answer the question. No excuses.

I did--with our yards we should have had more points........

Miss I.
09-16-2009, 12:01 PM
Are you new? Of course this would happen, jesus. Go with the flow, it's funny! :twokisses

My name is not Jesus. Jesus only talks to this guy....

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broncofan7
09-16-2009, 12:04 PM
I'll bite. No I don't think it tells the whole story. I don't think any stat tells the whole story. How about you? Do you think 16th is the proper place based solely off the 16th place scoring? You think last years Bears, Jets, Ravens, Titans, Panthers were better offenses? Do you think that our bottom 5 defense in almost every catagory might have influenced that stat through lack of turnovers, bad field position, inability to get off the field on 3rd down might have affected that? Did you find yourself at week 12 saying if only we concentrated a little more on the Offense we might make the playoffs?

I think BF7's point was that we had a very good offense that was dismantled. I would say it was a top 10 offense, a top 5 if we could have kept a RB healthy for more than 5 games. That Spagnulo managed to take over a team without destroying what was in place was what he was trying to show and I think that is fairly obvious without getting into semantics of what makes a #2 offense or a #16 offense, or something in between.

Now I would like to ask BF7 which he prefers a W from a close fought 12-7 game or an L from a 28-0 blowout. 28-0 is what Spagnulo led the Rams to, you might want to reconsidered your argument from that angle and try again, I am sure you can come up with another big bag of fail.

The ONLY 'FAIL' present is your failure to understand that the Rams cupboard is much more bare than Denver's==and the team's respective records in the previous two seasons reflect as much........

broncocalijohn
09-16-2009, 12:05 PM
No--but we were not nearly as bad as STL either(and they didn't trade their QB) which was the only reason I brought that stat up in this thread. --to defend the honor of a fellow EYE-talian --Steve Spagnuolo

I think you just pissed off every Italian on the Mane that you would admit to the heritage. Not that I totally disagree with your politics, but didnt most here think you were of German heritage and not Italian?

chadta
09-16-2009, 12:06 PM
I think BF7's point was that we had a very good offense that was dismantled.

dismantled ? we traded one quaterback, we still have one of the best O lines, we still have a marshall, royal, stokley, sheffler, graham, hillis we added gaffney and moreno.

that hardley sounds like a dismantling to me

BroncoInSkinland
09-16-2009, 12:08 PM
The ONLY 'FAIL' present is your failure to understand that the Rams cupboard is much more bare than Denver's==and the team's respective records in the previous two seasons reflect as much........

Actually no, an offensive guy who got a last place defense to shut out an opponent with a big play Offense for 55 minutes is a lot less fail than a guy who had to eat a 28-0 division loss. That's a Spag fail in addition to your failure to understand this coach did much more for our D than Spag did for his. Like I said drop your line of thought and try again, I need a new laugh.

broncofan7
09-16-2009, 12:10 PM
I think you just pissed off every Italian on the Mane that you would admit to the heritage. Not that I totally disagree with your politics, but didnt most here think you were of German heritage and not Italian?

Well it's obvious now that your inability to pass proper judgment is not limited only to our beloved Broncos.............

broncofan7
09-16-2009, 12:11 PM
Actually no, an offensive guy who got a last place defense to shut out an opponent with a big play Offense for 55 minutes is a lot less fail than a guy who had to eat a 28-0 division loss. That's a Spag fail in addition to your failure to understand this coach did much more for our D than Spag did for his. Like I said drop your line of thought and try again, I need a new laugh.

WRONG--that credit goes to MIKEY Nolan.

BroncoInSkinland
09-16-2009, 12:11 PM
dismantled ? we traded one quaterback, we still have one of the best O lines, we still have a marshall, royal, stokley, sheffler, graham, hillis we added gaffney and moreno.

that hardley sounds like a dismantling to me

Depends on your POV. The new scheme seems to make many of the elements of our O inconsequential. 13 points (7 off an act of God) against the Bengals D would indicate something is amiss, and in a big way compared to last year.

BroncoInSkinland
09-16-2009, 12:12 PM
WRONG--that credit goes to MIKEY Nolan.

Fine, but the L for the Rams goes to Spags which makes me kinda glad he wasn't the guy here n Denver.

Popcorn Sutton
09-16-2009, 12:13 PM
I'll bite. No I don't think it tells the whole story. I don't think any stat tells the whole story. How about you? Do you think 16th is the proper place based solely off the 16th place scoring? You think last years Bears, Jets, Ravens, Titans, Panthers were better offenses? Do you think that our bottom 5 defense in almost every catagory might have influenced that stat through lack of turnovers, bad field position, inability to get off the field on 3rd down might have affected that? Did you find yourself at week 12 saying if only we concentrated a little more on the Offense we might make the playoffs?

I think BF7's point was that we had a very good offense that was dismantled. I would say it was a top 10 offense, a top 5 if we could have kept a RB healthy for more than 5 games. That Spagnulo managed to take over a team without destroying what was in place was what he was trying to show and I think that is fairly obvious without getting into semantics of what makes a #2 offense or a #16 offense, or something in between.

Now I would like to ask BF7 which he prefers a W from a close fought 12-7 game or an L from a 28-0 blowout. 28-0 is what Spagnulo led the Rams to, you might want to reconsidered your argument from that angle and try again, I am sure you can come up with another big bag of fail.

I personally have them around the 7-10 range due to 30 turnovers and the numbers being inflated from the first few games. I don't have time to tally up the numbers but I remember seeing somewhere that we drop a bit in yardage rankings and pretty significantly in points if you subtract the first 3 games.

TailgateNut
09-16-2009, 12:15 PM
I do!

F-in GAY!

broncofan7
09-16-2009, 12:15 PM
Fine, but the L for the Rams goes to Spags which makes me kinda glad he wasn't the guy here n Denver.

We (orton)couldn't handle SEA in the pre-season--what makes you think we could have handled them this past Sunday?

broncofan7
09-16-2009, 12:17 PM
F-in GAY!

:rofl: the only chicks who like guys with hair on their chest are YOUR age.......;) when I want to pound a MILF--I'll grow it out........

TailgateNut
09-16-2009, 12:18 PM
I think you just pissed off every Italian on the Mane that you would admit to the heritage. Not that I totally disagree with your politics, but didnt most here think you were of German heritage and not Italian?

:spit:

broncofan7
09-16-2009, 12:20 PM
Fine, but the L for the Rams goes to Spags which makes me kinda glad he wasn't the guy here n Denver.

Don't get me wrong--I love the signing of Dawkins and Goodman--I just think that the trading of Jat far outweighs anything else...and if this pre-season as well as Sunday's offensive performance was any indication--Orton doesn't deserve a roster spot let alone to start.......when your defense gives up 7 points--you should win--plain and simple.........with Orton @ QB--it took a miracle to do so........

TailgateNut
09-16-2009, 12:23 PM
:rofl: the only chicks who like guys with hair on their chest are YOUR age.......;) when I want to pound a MILF--I'll grow it out........

Using the term "CHICKS" is very mature. I'm sure women love to be referred to as "chicks". :spit:

I prefer to associate with ladies and women. I'll leave the "chicks" to the "boys".

broncofan7
09-16-2009, 12:27 PM
Using the term "CHICKS" is very mature. I'm sure women love to be referred to as "chicks". :spit:

I prefer to associate with ladies and women. I'll leave the "chicks" to the "boys".

Translation for everyone here:


TGN's Left hand: Ladies

TGN's Right hand: Women

BroncoInSkinland
09-16-2009, 12:30 PM
Don't get me wrong--I love the signing of Dawkins and Goodman--I just think that the trading of Jat far outweighs anything else...and if this pre-season as well as Sunday's offensive performance was any indication--Orton doesn't deserve a roster spot let alone to start.......when your defense gives up 7 points--you should win--plain and simple.........with Orton @ QB--it took a miracle to do so........

I tend to agree, but this weekend was not a good time to try and make your case. The Broncos won, Jay **** the bed, and your savior Spagnuolo was badly beaten, and embarassed by a division rival.

edit - In fact Spags D looked pathetic in comparisson to ours, which was my point, and why you should drop the rams from your worn out rants.

TailgateNut
09-16-2009, 12:31 PM
Translation for everyone here:


TGN's Left hand: Ladies

TGN's Right hand: Women
Nice try child molester. I'm happily married and she's fits in both categories.

TailgateNut
09-16-2009, 12:33 PM
I tend to agree, but this weekend was not a good time to try and make your case. The Broncos won, Jay **** the bed, and your savior Spagnuolo was badly beaten, and embarassed by a division rival.

edit - In fact Spags D looked pathetic in comparisson to ours, which was my point, and why you should drop the rams from your worn out rants.

Ouch.

Maybe that's why he's here talking stats, cause all of his other opinions were wrong.

broncofan7
09-16-2009, 12:34 PM
Nice try child molester. I'm happily married and she's fits in both categories.

Well then, I'll just have to deny your Prior authorization request for Viagra................back to work for me

If you get one of these letters in the mail:

"Coverage of Viagra is reserved for those who meet the following......"

You'll know that it is BF7 saying HI! And patient's cannot request peer-peer consults-only your physician can.........

Dagmar
09-16-2009, 12:37 PM
http://i407.photobucket.com/albums/pp157/RandomRandom11/th_mingingsmell.gif

TailgateNut
09-16-2009, 12:39 PM
Well then, I'll just have to deny your Prior authorization request for Viagra................back to work for me

If you get one of these letters in the mail:

"Coverage of Viagra is reserved for those who meet the following......"

You'll know that it is BF7 saying HI! And patient's cannot request peer-peer consults-only your physician can.........


You're PEZ (a pill dispenser)LOL

I always thought you were a bedpan cleaner. My Bad.

watermock
09-16-2009, 12:43 PM
All I know is Spags inherited a very bad team.

Honestly, we saw 2 pretty bad teams sunday.

Regardless, the D looked much better, the offense was close to pathetic. Hillis ! run and letting Moreno hurt his knee again???

Rabb
09-16-2009, 12:49 PM
Jesus we have someone worse than Lex, kudos

TonyR
09-16-2009, 12:52 PM
I do!

Doesn't that itch like a sailor's crotch after a crazy night in Bangkok?

STBumpkin
09-16-2009, 01:27 PM
I think you just pissed off every Italian on the Mane that you would admit to the heritage. Not that I totally disagree with your politics, but didnt most here think you were of German heritage and not Italian?

I was thinking more along the lines of French, much to arrogant to be German.

lex
09-16-2009, 01:36 PM
It's a standard ORDERING SYSTEM.....not a standard for measuring the quality or greatness of the overall offense.

The end.

You can say that about any quantitative data, no?

55CrushEm
09-16-2009, 02:06 PM
You can say that about any quantitative data, no?

No kidding. The point was they choose to order it by yards.....but they could also choose to order the offenses by any other number of statistics.

Eldorado
09-16-2009, 02:27 PM
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/1931/fail1rs1.jpg

broncofan7
09-16-2009, 03:39 PM
http://i407.photobucket.com/albums/pp157/RandomRandom11/th_mingingsmell.gif

Hilarious!

broncofan7
09-16-2009, 03:42 PM
No kidding. The point was they choose to order it by yards.....but they could also choose to order the offenses by any other number of statistics.

I assume you can read--your problem is obviously cognition........

Rock Chalk
09-16-2009, 03:52 PM
Depends on your POV. The new scheme seems to make many of the elements of our O inconsequential. 13 points (7 off an act of God) against the Bengals D would indicate something is amiss, and in a big way compared to last year.

Wow, talk about utter fail.

New system, new QB, best O-lineman down (despite Clady's accolades, Kuper was our best O-lineman last year) our best receiver out all pre-season and most of TC, a new RB, a new OC, completely new terminology and you expect to put up what, 40 points?

And according to one of you other Bronco haters named TheReverend, Cincinnatti has a vastly improved defense that should be in the top 10.

It's like you are a retard and you don't know it. I guess most retards don't though.

broncofan7
09-16-2009, 04:00 PM
You're PEZ (a pill dispenser)LOL

I always thought you were a bedpan cleaner. My Bad.

Actually I am on the clinical side--I don't dispense anything. I am on the P & T committee and I help design formularies and design Prior Authorization Benefit guidelines by utilizing economic data and the latest drug studies--and I got so distracted by the idiocy displayed by some in this thread who were acting as though I pulled the #2 offense statistic out of thin air, that I got behind on my latest work--the hypothetical interaction between Plavix and Proton Pump inhibitors that may inhibit CYP2C19 and it's effect on outcomes.........I'm telling you--looking through/deciphering some of these clinical studies is almost as difficult as sorting through the horse manure posted in this thread..........

broncofan7
09-16-2009, 04:04 PM
Doesn't that itch like a sailor's crotch after a crazy night in Bangkok?

Sorry--were you writing of Orton's aptitude at quarterbacking?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-16-2009, 04:05 PM
Actually I am on the clinical side--I don't dispense anything. I am on the P & T committee and I help design formularies and design Prior Authorization Benefit guidelines by utilizing economic data and the latest drug studies--and I got so distracted by the idiocy displayed by some in this thread who were acting as though I pulled the #2 offense statistic out of thin air, that I got behind on my latest work--the hypothetical interaction between Plavix and Proton Pump inhibitors that may inhibit CYP2C19 and it's effect on outcomes.........I'm telling you--looking through/deciphering some of these clinical studies is almost as difficult as sorting through the horse manure posted in this thread..........

And yet, here you are. Posting again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and...

broncofan7
09-16-2009, 04:09 PM
And yet, here you are. Posting again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and...

I can only cure so much idiocy at a time.......and it's apparent from you still posting, there is much work to be done still........

tsiguy96
09-16-2009, 04:12 PM
Actually I am on the clinical side--I don't dispense anything. I am on the P & T committee and I help design formularies and design Prior Authorization Benefit guidelines by utilizing economic data and the latest drug studies--and I got so distracted by the idiocy displayed by some in this thread who were acting as though I pulled the #2 offense statistic out of thin air, that I got behind on my latest work--the hypothetical interaction between Plavix and Proton Pump inhibitors that may inhibit CYP2C19 and it's effect on outcomes.........I'm telling you--looking through/deciphering some of these clinical studies is almost as difficult as sorting through the horse manure posted in this thread..........

youre trying to sound so smart....yet we all know the truth

yards dont score points, fool. TDs and FGs do. in that regard, the broncos clearly were not #2.

broncofan7
09-16-2009, 04:18 PM
youre trying to sound so smart....yet we all know the truth

yards dont score points, fool. TDs and FGs do. in that regard, the broncos clearly were not #2.

What is THE standard by which the NFL ranks offenses and defenses? OH. YOu can apologize by PM...........

Rock Chalk
09-16-2009, 04:19 PM
What is THE standard by which the NFL ranks offenses and defenses? OH. YOu can apologize by PM...........

NFL ranks offenses by yardage.

Coaches rank them by points.

We had the 16th best scoring offense last year which was inflated by the first three games of the season.

colonelbeef
09-16-2009, 04:21 PM
youre trying to sound so smart....yet we all know the truth

yards dont score points, fool. TDs and FGs do. in that regard, the broncos clearly were not #2.

When your defense is putrid, your ST is awful, and you continuously have terrible field position to work with as a result, scoring points becomes that much more difficult. It's amusing to watch you, completely unable to accept the truth about what went on last season.

Archer81
09-16-2009, 04:22 PM
What is THE standard by which the NFL ranks offenses and defenses? OH. YOu can apologize by PM...........


NFL also ranks scoring.

Denver had the 2nd ranked offense in moving the ball between the 20s. They ranked 16th in scoring.

:Broncos:

colonelbeef
09-16-2009, 04:23 PM
NFL ranks offenses by yardage.

Coaches rank them by points.

We had the 16th best scoring offense last year which was inflated by the first three games of the season.

Why was the scoring so average (16th, a ranking this years team will wish it could reach) last year? I'm curious to see if you are stupid enough to blame Cutler

Archer81
09-16-2009, 04:25 PM
Why was the scoring so average (16th, a ranking this years team will wish it could reach) last year? I'm curious to see if you are stupid enough to blame Cutler

Jay's redzone QB rating was 73...I am sure that had nothing to do with it though...


:Broncos:

DenverBrit
09-16-2009, 04:26 PM
Scoring is the only stat that matters....Defense or Offense.

TailgateNut
09-16-2009, 04:29 PM
Scoring is the only stat that matters....Defense or Offense.

Not when one is attempting to excuse Cutlers horrible red zone efficiency (or lack thereof).

Cutler is the typical choke job. Just like the bowler who has strikes all the way to the tenth frame, then when a crowd gathers to watch he throws gutter balls.

Jay "GutterBall" Cutler.

DenverBrit
09-16-2009, 04:32 PM
Not when one is attempting to excuse Cutlers horrible red zone efficiency (or lack thereof).

Cutler is the typical choke job. Just like the bowler who has strikes all the way to the tenth frame, then when a crowd gathers to watch he throws gutter balls.

Jay "GutterBall" Cutler.

That's when yards become the standard to judge greatness.

Who needs to score when marching up and down gives the Broncos a #2 rating? ;D

BroncoInSkinland
09-16-2009, 07:28 PM
NFL ranks offenses by yardage.

Coaches rank them by points.

We had the 16th best scoring offense last year which was inflated by the first three games of the season.

Actually I was taking the week off from negatives for the most part, and enjoying the win here, but since you want to talk about how much of a "Bronco hater" I am where are we in points and yardage so far this season? Beyond that, did the O really look impressive in any way shape or form? I saw possible growth in the running game, it looks like the o-line could block for Buckhalter, now all we need is for them to do the same for a runner with some break away possibilities. Well I guess the stats this season won't be inflated, at least by the first game. As for what I expect, I expect us to put up enough points to win games. I would prefer if we actually put those points up by completing passes to the intended receiver, or with a Rb on a designed play. That might actually let me believe we are capable of doing it again at some point in time.

NYBronco
09-16-2009, 07:55 PM
Scoring is the only stat that matters....Defense or Offense.

You mean other than winning... right.

cutthemdown
09-16-2009, 08:02 PM
Scoring is the only stat that matters....Defense or Offense.

When it comes to wins and losses this is true.

The truth is though that we all have been watching football a long time. We all know that there are certain indicators you look for to see if your team is for real. To evaluate them against the other elite teams.

We have all seen what Superbowl offenses look like. Our team showed us that a bunch of times.

Winning is great, and scoring the most important stat, but really the yrds gained or given up is also a very important stat.

Broncos need to get it going on offense or you can kiss even looking decent VS Pitt/Balt/Giants/Pats goodbye.

Cincy was a great opener for us, and Browns is a good home opener. After that it starts to get brutal.

GoBroncos DownUnder
09-16-2009, 08:19 PM
Oh great ... yards gained and rankings ... can't wait to see how long before Broncofan7 proclaims Dan Marino as the Best QB in NFL History.
UGH!

DenverBrit
09-16-2009, 08:21 PM
You mean other than winning... right.

Right! :thumbsup:

DenverBrit
09-16-2009, 08:36 PM
When it comes to wins and losses this is true.

The truth is though that we all have been watching football a long time. We all know that there are certain indicators you look for to see if your team is for real. To evaluate them against the other elite teams.

We have all seen what Superbowl offenses look like. Our team showed us that a bunch of times.

Winning is great, and scoring the most important stat, but really the yrds gained or given up is also a very important stat.

Broncos need to get it going on offense or you can kiss even looking decent VS Pitt/Balt/Giants/Pats goodbye.

Cincy was a great opener for us, and Browns is a good home opener. After that it starts to get brutal.

Agreed. I'm not suggesting that other stats aren't important indicators when evaluating how a team is performing.

I just feel that yards are not the best indicator. Last year's Bronco's yards vs scoring stats are a good example.

2nd in yards didn't make the offense the second best in the league, but did indicate that the O could move the ball.......they didn't score nearly as often as the total yards might indicate.

Having said that, it would have been reassuring to see the offense rack up the yards against Cincy. Up until the 'immaculate reception', the yards gained would suggest a loss.

But the final score was much more satisfying.....no matter how 'lucky.' :thumbsup:

Dagmar
09-16-2009, 09:53 PM
Lovie finds Martz and Mora's comments "a little disappointing" (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/16/lovie-finds-martz-and-moras-comments-a-little-disappointing/)

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 16, 2009 6:58 PM ET
Someday, these tumultuous first days of the Jay Cutler era in Chicago will mostly be forgetten, just like the early days in Denver when Broncos fans booed the crap out of John Elway (http://articles.latimes.com/1985-07-26/sports/sp-5174_1_john-elway).

For now, Cutler is only getting heat from the media. There was an article Wednesday analyzing the variety of Cutler facial expressions (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/1773232,CST-SPT-mully16.article). (Such as pouting, super pouting, and blue steel.) Chicago Tribune columnist Rick Morrissey, meanwhile, is already searching for someone (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-16-morrissey-bears-jay-cutle.ar0sep16,0,3079212.column) who can "stand up" to Cutler and give him "dose of reality."

Cutler was also criticized (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/15/why-do-lovies-buddies-keep-piling-on-cutler/) by some of Lovie Smith's former coaching brethren, including close friend Mike Martz. Smith doesn't appreciate it.

"I looked at Jay's comments that he made, and it's a little disappointing especially coming from a couple of former coaches to make those type of comments about Jay," Smith said Wednesday.

"Everyone that has been around him, his teammates, former coaches, they know what type of player he is, what type of person he is."

Smith isn't planning to talk to Martz about the comments he made.

"I'm trying to get ready for Pittsburgh," Smith said. "I'm talking to my wife, a little bit, right now. Everyone else is a little bit lower on my list."

Clearly Smith is not going to hammer Cutler publicly, and nothing that's transpired thus far is overly surprising. Looking disinterested at pressers and forcing a pass or four is part of the Cutler playbook. You know what you are getting. (Cutler's style can also come in handy because he sounds so unaffected (http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/09/jay_cutler_unplugged_the_qb_in.html#more) by overblown media storms like this.)

"[Cutler] represents our organization well," Smith said. "We're glad he is on our football team, but at the same time we cannot be concerned about criticism coming from the outside. Right now it's easy to dogpile us because we didn't play well. But how you get rid of things like that is to play well."

Smith is right in this respect, and that's why the Bears-Steelers matchup is the most fascinating of Week Two. We'd argue there isn't a better team than Chicago with a better chance to go 0-2.

That puts a lot of pressure on Cutler and the Bears to respond in a tough spot. This early in the season, it doesn't get any more dramatic.

BroncoDoug
09-16-2009, 10:56 PM
ummmm, where is the bears meltdown? I see the same ol bronco meltdown stuff...

delany
09-17-2009, 06:39 AM
0-2 for the Bears and 2-0 for the Broncos would be sooooo sweet.

rastaman
09-17-2009, 07:21 AM
Lovie finds Martz and Mora's comments "a little disappointing" (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/16/lovie-finds-martz-and-moras-comments-a-little-disappointing/)

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 16, 2009 6:58 PM ET
Someday, these tumultuous first days of the Jay Cutler era in Chicago will mostly be forgetten, just like the early days in Denver when Broncos fans booed the crap out of John Elway (http://articles.latimes.com/1985-07-26/sports/sp-5174_1_john-elway).

For now, Cutler is only getting heat from the media. There was an article Wednesday analyzing the variety of Cutler facial expressions (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/1773232,CST-SPT-mully16.article). (Such as pouting, super pouting, and blue steel.) Chicago Tribune columnist Rick Morrissey, meanwhile, is already searching for someone (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-16-morrissey-bears-jay-cutle.ar0sep16,0,3079212.column) who can "stand up" to Cutler and give him "dose of reality."

Cutler was also criticized (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/15/why-do-lovies-buddies-keep-piling-on-cutler/) by some of Lovie Smith's former coaching brethren, including close friend Mike Martz. Smith doesn't appreciate it.

"I looked at Jay's comments that he made, and it's a little disappointing especially coming from a couple of former coaches to make those type of comments about Jay," Smith said Wednesday.

"Everyone that has been around him, his teammates, former coaches, they know what type of player he is, what type of person he is."

Smith isn't planning to talk to Martz about the comments he made.

"I'm trying to get ready for Pittsburgh," Smith said. "I'm talking to my wife, a little bit, right now. Everyone else is a little bit lower on my list."

Clearly Smith is not going to hammer Cutler publicly, and nothing that's transpired thus far is overly surprising. Looking disinterested at pressers and forcing a pass or four is part of the Cutler playbook. You know what you are getting. (Cutler's style can also come in handy because he sounds so unaffected (http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/09/jay_cutler_unplugged_the_qb_in.html#more) by overblown media storms like this.)

"[Cutler] represents our organization well," Smith said. "We're glad he is on our football team, but at the same time we cannot be concerned about criticism coming from the outside. Right now it's easy to dogpile us because we didn't play well. But how you get rid of things like that is to play well."

Smith is right in this respect, and that's why the Bears-Steelers matchup is the most fascinating of Week Two. We'd argue there isn't a better team than Chicago with a better chance to go 0-2.

That puts a lot of pressure on Cutler and the Bears to respond in a tough spot. This early in the season, it doesn't get any more dramatic.

Orton is probably sitting back laughing his ass off right now. On the one hand he's stunk up the joint in week 1 and during preseason, throws a luck pass that wins the game and gets 87 yards to bloster his otherwise lousy stats. And thru it all his mediocre play has gone un noticed by NFL analyst and bronco fans alike. Makes you wonder how Orton would have performed had he faced the Packers. Somehow, despite the upgrade of receivers he now has in Denver, Orton has yet to prove he can take advantage his new found talent and raise the level of his play.

Oh well, both QB's have 15 games left to play, Orton won't win anymore games with lucky Hale Mary passes. Cutler won't have 4 Interceptions per game, although he had better learn from week 1 and start to throw the ball a way instead of forcing bad throws. As far as Orton is concerned, he needs to revert back to the Orton from when he was the starter as a Bear, or the Bronco fans will treat him the same way they are now treating Cutler.

TailgateNut
09-17-2009, 07:43 AM
. Cutler won't have 4 Interceptions per game, although he had better learn from week 1 and start to throw the ball a way instead of forcing bad throws. .

That's in his blood. He didn't learn to NOT force his throws into double, triple and quadruple coverage while in Denver. What makes you this the bonehead will stop making bonehead throws in Chicago. I personally think he'll try to force more this week in a futile attempt to win.

3 interceptions against Pitt this weekend should seal the deal. Bears fans will be calling for his head.

Cito Pelon
09-17-2009, 08:24 AM
When it comes to wins and losses this is true.

The truth is though that we all have been watching football a long time. We all know that there are certain indicators you look for to see if your team is for real. To evaluate them against the other elite teams.

We have all seen what Superbowl offenses look like. Our team showed us that a bunch of times.

Winning is great, and scoring the most important stat, but really the yrds gained or given up is also a very important stat.

Broncos need to get it going on offense or you can kiss even looking decent VS Pitt/Balt/Giants/Pats goodbye.

Cincy was a great opener for us, and Browns is a good home opener. After that it starts to get brutal.

Yah, the Broncs need to get the O geared up. They're stuttering and stammering quite a bit.

broncofan7
09-17-2009, 08:29 AM
0-2 for the Bears and 2-0 for the Broncos would be sooooo sweet.

Indeed. 0-16 for chi-town would be PERFECT--I hate OU but I love me some Sam Bradford..........

bfoflcommish
09-17-2009, 08:29 AM
Orton is probably sitting back laughing his ass off right now. On the one hand he's stunk up the joint in week 1 and during preseason, throws a luck pass that wins the game and gets 87 yards to bloster his otherwise lousy stats. And thru it all his mediocre play has gone un noticed by NFL analyst and bronco fans alike. Makes you wonder how Orton would have performed had he faced the Packers. Somehow, despite the upgrade of receivers he now has in Denver, Orton has yet to prove he can take advantage his new found talent and raise the level of his play.

Oh well, both QB's have 15 games left to play, Orton won't win anymore games with lucky Hale Mary passes. Cutler won't have 4 Interceptions per game, although he had better learn from week 1 and start to throw the ball a way instead of forcing bad throws. As far as Orton is concerned, he needs to revert back to the Orton from when he was the starter as a Bear, or the Bronco fans will treat him the same way they are now treating Cutler.


wow, me thinks you have never truly watched Cutler then if you believe this, and would rather just talk out your ass in hopes some of your **** sticks and makes you look right just once.

Doggcow
09-17-2009, 08:54 AM
Indeed. 0-16 for chi-town would be PERFECT--I hate OU but I love me some Sam Bradford..........

I agree. I really like Colt McCoy this year.

Oh yeah and I have a MASSIVE hardon for Taylor Mays

spdirty
09-17-2009, 09:26 AM
Hey Denver fans, Orton 17/28 60.7%, 243 yds, 1 td, 0 int, 100.7 rating. Has always had this kind of luck, that is how he is 22-12 as a starter. Cutler 17/36 47.2%, 277 yds, 1 td, 4 int, 43.2 rating. Please take your Pro Bowler back.

Ill take him back in a new york second. If this team had a quarterback with what appears to be this defense and talent on offense, Id really think we would take the AFC West and maybe make some noise in the playoffs.

TailgateNut
09-17-2009, 09:28 AM
Ill take him back in a new york second. If this team had a quarterback with what appears to be this defense and talent on offense, Id really think we would take the AFC West and maybe make some noise in the playoffs.
Well, take him. I'm sure the Bailey football team could use his "expertise".

Doggcow
09-17-2009, 09:29 AM
Ill take him back in a new york second. If this team had a quarterback with what appears to be this defense and talent on offense, Id really think we would take the AFC West and maybe make some noise in the playoffs.

Ill take him back only if we're just giving up like Orton and a 2nd.

spdirty
09-17-2009, 09:30 AM
Well, take him. I'm sure the Bailey football team could use his "expertise".

wtf do you have against Bailey? God, dont you know we named ourselves after one of the greatest Broncos ever?

spdirty
09-17-2009, 09:32 AM
Ill take him back only if we're just giving up like Orton and a 2nd.

Id give em their original deal back, and throw in a now cheap owner, and Lonnie Paxson.

Oh well, just hope like hell we hit the lotto with Brandstater.

TailgateNut
09-17-2009, 09:33 AM
wtf do you have against Bailey? God, dont you know we named ourselves after one of the greatest Broncos ever?

Don't have anything against Bailey, but I'd rather see Bonehead playing in Bailey than in Denver.

spdirty
09-17-2009, 09:35 AM
Don't have anything against Bailey, but I'd rather see Bonehead playing in Bailey than in Denver.

Yeah, the guy who likes to suck **** when he gets drunk is much better than Cutler.

Wonder how many games we'd have won last year if the great Kyle Orton was our quarterback.

TailgateNut
09-17-2009, 09:39 AM
Yeah, the guy who likes to suck **** when he gets drunk is much better than Cutler.

Wonder how many games we'd have won last year if the great Kyle Orton was our quarterback.


Nice!!!

The wrath of the mods is on the way.

TailgateNut
09-17-2009, 09:40 AM
Wonder how many games we'd WOULDN"T HAVE LOST last year if the great Kyle Orton was our quarterback.

Fixed it for you

spdirty
09-17-2009, 09:41 AM
Nice!!!

The wrath of the mods is on the way.

damnit what happened to the ****?

spdirty
09-17-2009, 09:43 AM
Fixed it for you

yeah Im sure Kyle wouldve gotten us 31+ against Buffalo, 31+ against Carolina, and 53+ against San Diego.

ScottXray
09-17-2009, 09:56 AM
Orton is probably sitting back laughing his ass off right now. On the one hand he's stunk up the joint in week 1 and during preseason, throws a luck pass that wins the game and gets 87 yards to bloster his otherwise lousy stats. And thru it all his mediocre play has gone un noticed by NFL analyst and bronco fans alike. Makes you wonder how Orton would have performed had he faced the Packers. Somehow, despite the upgrade of receivers he now has in Denver, Orton has yet to prove he can take advantage his new found talent and raise the level of his play.

Oh well, both QB's have 15 games left to play, Orton won't win anymore games with lucky Hale Mary passes. Cutler won't have 4 Interceptions per game, although he had better learn from week 1 and start to throw the ball a way instead of forcing bad throws. As far as Orton is concerned, he needs to revert back to the Orton from when he was the starter as a Bear, or the Bronco fans will treat him the same way they are now treating Cutler.

Is she related to Hale Berry? She's smoking hot!

GoBroncos DownUnder
09-17-2009, 10:11 AM
yeah Im sure Kyle wouldve gotten us 31+ against Buffalo, 31+ against Carolina, and 53+ against San Diego.
I wonder if Orton would have thrown those stupid interceptions against Kansas City or Miami last year? Maybe he could have completed more than 40% of his passes at home against Oakland?

IMO - Cutler had some awesome games last year, but there were also a few that were downright stupid!!

TailgateNut
09-17-2009, 10:16 AM
, but there were also a few that were downright stupid!!

Ya think?


:wiggle:

Cito Pelon
09-17-2009, 10:17 AM
wtf do you have against Bailey? God, dont you know we named ourselves after one of the greatest Broncos ever?

Some drunk miner was one of the greatest Broncos ever?

Bailey was a nothing town at the bottom of Crow Hill until the 1990's when it became a bedroom community. What it was known for was massive accidents on Crow Hill and being the outlet for the Roberts Tunnel. It's still a backwater dump few people stop at, and when they do, they won't do it again. Bailey has a lot of meth labs, so that's something to hang your hat on.

GoBroncos DownUnder
09-17-2009, 10:19 AM
Think?
Come to the bar, check out the indent my forehead left in the bar from the Kansas City game ... then you tell me!? ;)

rastaman
09-17-2009, 11:30 AM
That's in his blood. He didn't learn to NOT force his throws into double, triple and quadruple coverage while in Denver. What makes you this the bonehead will stop making bonehead throws in Chicago. I personally think he'll try to force more this week in a futile attempt to win.

3 interceptions against Pitt this weekend should seal the deal. Bears fans will be calling for his head.

Ummmmm......how long before the Bear's fans will be yelling and marching in the streets for the Return of Orton! Will the Bears fan wish for the return of Orton should Cutler throw for 3 Int this week? I doubt it.

Lastly, if Orton is smart enough not to force throws--could one also say instead of Orton not forcing throws is b/c he's missing his chance to throw b/c he can't pull the trigger soon enough? Kyle does have have great receivers.....so where's the disconnect! If Kyle has great WR's why can't he find them? or why can't the wr's get open?

TailgateNut
09-17-2009, 11:36 AM
Ummmmm......how long before the Bear's fans will be yelling and marching in the streets for the Return of Orton! Will the Bears fan wish for the return of Orton should Cutler throw for 3 Int this week? I doubt it.

Lastly, if Orton is smart enough not to force throws--could one also say instead of Orton not forcing throws is b/c he's missing his chance to throw b/c he can't pull the trigger soon enough? Kyle does have have great receivers.....so where's the disconnect! If Kyle has great WR's why can't he find them? or why can't the wr's get open?

They'll be marching in the streets calling for Jays head soon enough, but they wont ask for Orton back, 'cause they don't want the Broncos to Fvck them twice in one season.:~ohyah!:

rastaman
09-17-2009, 11:37 AM
wow, me thinks you have never truly watched Cutler then if you believe this, and would rather just talk out your ass in hopes some of your **** sticks and makes you look right just once.

Hey "Village Idiot" you are making the assumption Cutler can't improve upon his mistakes....you could be right, however, I believe Cutler will have a better season and win more games than Orton will this season. Sorry little gullible HOMER.

TailgateNut
09-17-2009, 11:40 AM
Hey "Village Idiot" you are making the assumption Cutler can't improve upon his mistakes....you could be right, however, I believe Cutler will have a better season and win more games than Orton will this season. Sorry little gullible HOMER.

I think ****ler could "IMPROVE" on his mistakes. I think he can do better than 4 interceptions (5 or 6 is a possibility), but I don't think he'll do it this week. I think he'll have 2, maybe 3 against Pitt.:~ohyah!:

rastaman
09-17-2009, 11:40 AM
They'll be marching in the streets calling for Jays head soon enough, but they wont ask for Orton back, 'cause they don't want the Broncos to f*** them twice in one season.:~ohyah!:

Well I hope your wrong with your prediction on Jay. However, I can't see anything about Orton that leads me to believe that he's the future of the the Broncos Franchise. Unless Nolan can turn the Broncos Def. into the Ravens of 2000! there's no way in hell Orton can lead Denver to the SB.

McMastermind
09-17-2009, 11:43 AM
Hey "Village Idiot" you are making the assumption Cutler can't improve upon his mistakes....you could be right, however, I believe Cutler will have a better season and win more games than Orton will this season. Sorry little gullible HOMER.

^^^^^^^^

There you have it......Bears fans sure are in full meltdown.

Eldorado
09-17-2009, 11:43 AM
Ummmmm......how long before the Bear's fans will be yelling and marching in the streets for the Return of Orton! Will the Bears fan wish for the return of Orton should Cutler throw for 3 Int this week? I doubt it.

Lastly, if Orton is smart enough not to force throws--could one also say instead of Orton not forcing throws is b/c he's missing his chance to throw b/c he can't pull the trigger soon enough? Kyle does have have great receivers.....so where's the disconnect! If Kyle has great WR's why can't he find them? or why can't the wr's get open?

Between your ears? Only a guess.

rastaman
09-17-2009, 11:43 AM
I think ****ler could "IMPROVE" on his mistakes. I think he can do better than 4 interceptions (5 or 6 is a possibility), but I don't think he'll do it this week. I think he'll have 2, maybe 3 against Pitt.:~ohyah!:

The scenario with Orton as our QB is how much he will wear down the defense b/c he can't seem to move the offense. The Defense needs to get ready for more 3 and outs. And Dawkins will be pissed b/c his 35 year old legs/body will start to wear down b/c the D is on the field so much. Thanks to inconsistent Orton.

bfoflcommish
09-17-2009, 11:46 AM
Hey "Village Idiot" you are making the assumption Cutler can't improve upon his mistakes....you could be right, however, I believe Cutler will have a better season and win more games than Orton will this season. Sorry little gullible HOMER.


hmmmm It is an assumption, even though we have seen it before!

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
09-17-2009, 11:47 AM
The scenario with Orton as our QB is how much he will wear down the defense b/c he can't seem to move the offense. The Defense needs to get ready for more 3 and outs. And Dawkins will be pissed b/c his 35 year old legs/body will start to wear down b/c the D is on the field so much. Thanks to inconsistent Orton.

You're sounding like a bit of a Negative Nancy, if you don't mind me saying so.

Have you ever tried to throw a football with a glove on? It doesn't work very well. Realistically we won't see Orton 100% until the glove comes off. Throwing the ball with any kind of velocity requires a tight grip, which is not possible with any kind of a glove on.

You also have to take into consideration the fact that it was opening weekend, and the fact that the Bengals have a very good defense.

rastaman
09-17-2009, 11:50 AM
Between your ears? Only a guess.

I just made an observation on Orton's performance in training camp, the preseason and thru week 1! So why are you in such Denial? How you can be so enamored, hopefull and excited about Orton is beyond understanding---but your bias HOMERISM is blatantly obvious.

Watching Orton play is like "Watching Corn Grow"!

Beantown Bronco
09-17-2009, 11:53 AM
Have you ever tried to throw a football with a glove on? It doesn't work very well. Realistically we won't see Orton 100% until the glove comes off. Throwing the ball with any kind of velocity requires a tight grip, which is not possible with any kind of a glove on.


Kurt Warner and Tom Brady, among others, disagree.

rastaman
09-17-2009, 11:53 AM
You're sounding like a bit of a Negative Nancy, if you don't mind me saying so.

Have you ever tried to throw a football with a glove on? It doesn't work very well. Realistically we won't see Orton 100% until the glove comes off. Throwing the ball with any kind of velocity requires a tight grip, which is not possible with any kind of a glove on.

You also have to take into consideration the fact that it was opening weekend, and the fact that the Bengals have a very good defense.

Fair enough and point well taken. Lets see what happens once the glove comes off. We all have no choice but to give Orton the benefit of the doubt, wwe as fans didn't make the decision to start Orton.

rastaman
09-17-2009, 11:56 AM
hmmmm It is an assumption, even though we have seen it before!

Well thanks for making your assumptions as if you have seen the entire 2009 season thru a crystal ball. Thanks Nostraudmus wannabe!

bfoflcommish
09-17-2009, 11:59 AM
I just made an observation on Orton's performance in training camp, the preseason and thru week 1! So why are you in such Denial? How you can be so enamored, hopefull and excited about Orton is beyond understanding---but your bias HOMERISM is blatantly obvious.

Watching Orton play is like "Watching Corn Grow"!


So you can see on Orton in a few weeks, but in a few years you couldn't see what is wrong in Cutler?

Rabb
09-17-2009, 12:00 PM
some of you are just amazing

it must be painful to watch any game for us right now, I cannot even comprehend how you would react

not for one second Sunday did I think or say a negative word about how we won...the bottom line is we won

I can just see some of you being so torn up that we lucked into a win with such a terrible QB, versus just being ****ing happy it is football season and we WON

I am sure many of you are absolute peaches to live with, Jesus Christ

DHallblows
09-17-2009, 12:05 PM
Kurt Warner and Tom Brady, among others, disagree.

But they didn't spend their entire football life NOT using one until a week before the first game of the season.
I think his point is, as someone who doesn't use a glove to throw a football, it'd be hard as hell to learn to use one in a week. And at the same time, it's probably hard as hell for someone to switch back to gloveless. Tom and Kurt would probably look a lot worse if they randomly couldn't use a glove next game. The same as Orton having to use one last game...

GoBroncos DownUnder
09-17-2009, 12:44 PM
Well I hope your wrong with your prediction on Jay. However, I can't see anything about Orton that leads me to believe that he's the future of the the Broncos Franchise. Unless Nolan can turn the Broncos Def. into the Ravens of 2000! there's no way in hell Orton can lead Denver to the SB.
I don't think I have EVER seen anyone refer to Orton as "the future of the the Broncos Franchise". ???

Mr. Elway
09-17-2009, 02:44 PM
rasta: Cutler called, says its been over 3 hours. Get back down there. :D

broncofan7
09-17-2009, 02:47 PM
Orton can prove himself in the regular season home opener----hopefully it goes better than his pre-season home opener............if not--look for his entire throwing arm to be taken off by Shaun Rodgers..........

Popcorn Sutton
09-17-2009, 03:28 PM
I'm still shocked at how many people are directly comparing Orton and Cutler. If they were even close in talent then why did Chicago give up two first round picks. a third round pick and Orton to get Cutler and a fifth?

I'm completely behind Orton and hope he at least starts playing as well as he was last season prior to the ankle injury. But you guys are kidding yourselves if you think Orton could even hold Cutler's jock strap. That goes for Simms as well. You guys are also kidding yourselves if you think Cutler will play like he did on Sunday for the rest of the season. At some point, there will be some king size portions of crow being served.

Off the field I'd take Orton over Cutler any day but that unfortunately doesn't win ball games.

bronclvr
09-17-2009, 03:32 PM
Cutler blows. Orton sucks. That is all.

Popcorn Sutton
09-17-2009, 03:33 PM
Cutler blows. Orton sucks. That is all.

Very insightful.

bronclvr
09-17-2009, 03:35 PM
Very insightful.

Thank you.

bfoflcommish
09-17-2009, 03:35 PM
I'm still shocked at how many people are directly comparing Orton and Cutler. If they were even close in talent then why did Chicago give up two first round picks. a third round pick and Orton to get Cutler and a fifth?

I'm completely behind Orton and hope he at least starts playing as well as he was last season prior to the ankle injury. But you guys are kidding yourselves if you think Orton could even hold Cutler's jock strap. That goes for Simms as well. You guys are also kidding yourselves if you think Cutler will play like he did on Sunday for the rest of the season. At some point, there will be some king size portions of crow being served.

Off the field I'd take Orton over Cutler any day but that unfortunately doesn't win ball games.

and neither does cutler.

ba da bum


no really, im not saying Orton is the answer but neither was Cutler. What is so set in peoples mind about cutler?

Was it his winning ways......opps
was it his team leadership......opps
was it the way he showed up in big games and clutch situations......opps
was it the way he tried to make the team better and not be selfish.....opps
was it his football smarts and the way it translated to EVERY game....opps
oh thats right it was his stellar college career in wins especially bowl games.....opps

he has a big arm, thats it!

broncofan7
09-17-2009, 03:40 PM
I'm still shocked at how many people are directly comparing Orton and Cutler. If they were even close in talent then why did Chicago give up two first round picks. a third round pick and Orton to get Cutler and a fifth?

I'm completely behind Orton and hope he at least starts playing as well as he was last season prior to the ankle injury. But you guys are kidding yourselves if you think Orton could even hold Cutler's jock strap. That goes for Simms as well. You guys are also kidding yourselves if you think Cutler will play like he did on Sunday for the rest of the season. At some point, there will be some king size portions of crow being served.

Off the field I'd take Orton over Cutler any day but that unfortunately doesn't win ball games.

You're right-------and when we compare him to the other QB's on our roster-his pre-season performance puts him dead last------so again--WHY IS HE OUR STARTING QB? He almost stole a defeat from the jaws of victory with his sack late in the 4th in week 1...........if he looks like poop Sunday and we LOSE--time to bench him.......

Popcorn Sutton
09-17-2009, 03:46 PM
You're right-------and when we compare him to the other QB's on our roster-his pre-season performance puts him dead last------so again--WHY IS HE OUR STARTING QB? He almost stole a defeat from the jaws of victory with his sack late in the 4th in week 1...........if he looks like poop Sunday and we LOSE--time to bench him.......

I'll give him the first few games. Kyle Orton and Chris Simms are practically identical when it counts during the regular season. They both have a career QB rating of 71. I'm not going to anoint Chris Simms because of how he played against the San Francisco two's and three's in preseason. Obviously Kyle Orton has the backing of his teammates and coaches because of what he's done in camp and they aren't just going to pull him after one game. I'd be willing to bet that if the offense continues to look as anemic as it did last week that Simms could get a look by week 4/5.

Regardless, my point still stands. Comparing Orton to Cutler is silly. If they compared the trade would not have been so lopsided.

Gort
09-17-2009, 04:08 PM
The scenario with Orton as our QB is how much he will wear down the defense b/c he can't seem to move the offense. The Defense needs to get ready for more 3 and outs. And Dawkins will be pissed b/c his 35 year old legs/body will start to wear down b/c the D is on the field so much. Thanks to inconsistent Orton.

Orton drives on Sunday

5 plays, punt.
3 plays, punt.
3 plays, punt.
3 plays, punt.
3 plays, punt.
9 plays, FG.
1 play, half.
3 plays, punt.
7 plays, punt.
5 plays, FG.
10 plays, punt.
2 plays, TD.

Cutler drives on Sunday

3 plays, punt.
8 plays, INT.
3 plays, punt.
3 plays, punt.
4 plays, INT.
3 plays, INT.
5 plays, punt.
5 plays, turnover on downs.
10 plays, TD.
8 plays, FG.
4 plays, turnover on downs.
14 plays, FG.
1 play, INT.

so Orton had 8 short drives (5 or fewer plays before turning over the ball) and Cutler had 9. the 1 play drive before the half doesn't count because the defense didn't have to come onto the field.

i don't see how the defense would be any more tired under Orton than under Cutler.

???

spdirty
09-17-2009, 05:46 PM
Some drunk miner was one of the greatest Broncos ever?

Bailey was a nothing town at the bottom of Crow Hill until the 1990's when it became a bedroom community. What it was known for was massive accidents on Crow Hill and being the outlet for the Roberts Tunnel. It's still a backwater dump few people stop at, and when they do, they won't do it again. Bailey has a lot of meth labs, so that's something to hang your hat on.

Its also a place where you can come home and be away from stupid city people and soccer moms. As well as a place where you see deer in your backyard half the time, a place where neighbors introduce themselves when you move in, and would give you the shirt off their backs, and a place where I havent locked my door in 2 years with no consequences(no, nobody can have my address), a place where my cellphone doesnt work :), and a place where there are no sex offenders within a 2 mile radius of where I live, as opposed to the 250 that were in that radius in Littleton. For me its a great place to raise my kids, so please, nobody move here. Id prefer we stayed a "nothing" town. To me this place is my own little slice of heaven, especially after dealing with city bullcrap all day.

Circle Orange
09-19-2009, 09:43 AM
Kurt Warner and Tom Brady, among others, disagree.

This brings up an interesting point, because neither of those guys have cannons. I heard strong armed guys tend to grip the ball so hard it pops out more in inclement weather. Elway fumbled a lot. He said he hated throwing in the rain. Snow, not so much. Whereas Steve Young could throw in the rain like he could under sunny weather. Even Shanahan was surprised.

tsiguy96
09-19-2009, 09:58 AM
so Orton had 8 short drives (5 or fewer plays before turning over the ball) and Cutler had 9. the 1 play drive before the half doesn't count because the defense didn't have to come onto the field.

i don't see how the defense would be any more tired under Orton than under Cutler.

???

because cutler gets years to get in sync with his receivers and line and for the defense to carry him. orton has to play good RIGHT NOW or its all a failure. like i said in another post, if cutler wins less than 9 games, orton is a better QB, plain and simple. cutler has a better line, better WR depth and essentially the same defense.

baja
09-19-2009, 10:08 AM
because cutler gets years to get in sync with his receivers and line and for the defense to carry him. orton has to play good RIGHT NOW or its all a failure. like i said in another post, if cutler wins less than 9 games, orton is a better QB, plain and simple. cutler has a better line, better WR depth and essentially the same defense.

Excellent point tsi, anything less than 9 wins for da bears and cutler is an abject failure.

tsiguy96
09-19-2009, 10:23 AM
Excellent point tsi, anything less than 9 wins for da bears and cutler is an abject failure.

you "could" set it at 10 given how close they were to a win against atlanta, that was some crazy **** to end that game. horrible coaching.

baja
09-19-2009, 10:37 AM
you "could" set it at 10 given how close they were to a win against atlanta, that was some crazy **** to end that game. horrible coaching.

Well they do have the same coaching. ;D

orange 4 life
09-19-2009, 10:48 AM
Late arrival, but the short answer is this:

They should be!!

They put all their chips in one basket, and that basket has a hole in it.
Cutler has more talent in his right arm than most qb's do in their whole bodies, but he's ALSO a gutless turd.
Sure, he'll make some plays (he did even last week) and wow fans with his arm, but he'll ALSO melt down, sulk after mistakes, rip his teammates, and fail to be a leader.

They can have him.

DBroncos4life
09-19-2009, 11:51 AM
In 08 Orton had 133 yards, 0 TDs and 0 INTs at Green Bay. The Bears had 9 total first downs and only turned the ball over 1 time while forcing 1 turnover as well. Now in 09 Cutler had 277 yards 1 TD and 4 INTs. The Bears had 18 first downs 4 turnovers and forced 0. Which score do you think was closer?
Cutler flat out played like **** that game, made way too many mistakes and lost by 6 points. Orton did nothing positive or negative to really hurt his teams chances to win the game by turning over the ball and yet lost by 34 points.

TheDave
09-19-2009, 11:59 AM
because cutler gets years to get in sync with his receivers and line and for the defense to carry him. orton has to play good RIGHT NOW or its all a failure. like i said in another post, if cutler wins less than 9 games, orton is a better QB, plain and simple. cutler has a better line, better WR depth and essentially the same defense.

So what happens if Orton wins less than 9 games?

He has a vastly improved defense, much better RB's, more experience along the Oline and the addition of Gaffney to an already stellar group of WR.

baja
09-19-2009, 12:04 PM
So what happens if Orton wins less than 9 games?

He has a vastly improved defense, much better RB's, more experience along the Oline and the addition of Gaffney to an already stellar group of WR.

For what it's worth the Bears have a much easier schedule this year than last while the Broncos have a much harder schedule, on paper

tsiguy96
09-19-2009, 12:16 PM
So what happens if Orton wins less than 9 games?

He has a vastly improved defense, much better RB's, more experience along the Oline and the addition of Gaffney to an already stellar group of WR.

compared to last year, we have better everything, now we just need a few more luck wins like we had last year, and avoid the blowouts. if we go 8-8 again but look better on the field, thats a definite improvement. and orton, compared to his team last year, does not have better defense or RB

TheDave
09-19-2009, 01:56 PM
For what it's worth the Bears have a much easier schedule this year than last while the Broncos have a much harder schedule, on paper

But we also have a significantly better defense, and vastly superior talent on offense (compared to the bears).


compared to last year, we have better everything, now we just need a few more luck wins like we had last year, and avoid the blowouts. if we go 8-8 again but look better on the field, thats a definite improvement. and orton, compared to his team last year, does not have better defense or RB

But he has significantly better Oline, TE's and Recievers... and I would say the defenses are fairly comperable now that Urlacher is injured.


So if we go by what you 2 said and declare Cutler better or worse than Orton based on the number of victories, then the same should hold true for Orton.

TonyR
09-19-2009, 02:22 PM
But we also have a significantly better defense...

...and I would say the defenses are fairly comperable now that Urlacher is injured.


We may well have improved defensively but I think you're perhaps overstating the case here a little too much. And if we did improve as much as you seem to be stating here then you have very little to complain about.

tsiguy96
09-19-2009, 02:23 PM
We may well have improved defensively but I think you're perhaps overstating the case here a little too much. And if we did improve as much as you seem to be stating here then you have very little to complain about.

fo sho.

besides, we still have a winning record this season, last i checked ;)

why people refuse to give the team some time to get on the same page in real games is beyond me.

TheDave
09-19-2009, 02:30 PM
We may well have improved defensively but I think you're perhaps overstating the case here a little too much. And if we did improve as much as you seem to be stating here then you have very little to complain about.

Chicago's defense was 21st last year while we were 29th.

Take Urlacher out on their side, add the modest improvements we've made, and I would say they are about even.



Some of you need to stop the "Who's complaining" witch hunt and delve into facts from time to time.

TheDave
09-19-2009, 02:31 PM
fo sho.

besides, we still have a winning record this season, last i checked ;)

why people refuse to give the team some time to get on the same page in real games is beyond me.

What are you even talking about?

tsiguy96
09-19-2009, 02:37 PM
What are you even talking about?

people calling orton a failure etc. i havent been impressed at all either, but hes not getting much help out there either by the running game OR receivers catching passes. its a tough system, if we havent topped last years points scored by week 14 there is a problem. but right now, we gotta give them time to develop and that includes the running game and moreno.

edit: and im referring to the people who are giving cutler free reign to make excuses about why hes not performing but not giving orton any time to learn an admittedly ridiculously complex offense and get on the same page with his guys.

TheDave
09-19-2009, 02:44 PM
people calling orton a failure etc. i havent been impressed at all either, but hes not getting much help out there either by the running game OR receivers catching passes. its a tough system, if we havent topped last years points scored by week 14 there is a problem. but right now, we gotta give them time to develop and that includes the running game and moreno.

edit: and im referring to the people who are giving cutler free reign to make excuses about why hes not performing but not giving orton any time to learn an admittedly ridiculously complex offense and get on the same page with his guys.

Weren't you the same guy that was arguing to start "Brandy" in week 1?

As for Cutler... I think the vast majority of people here thought he would struggle with the crappy Oline and WR's he has now. Now I sure as hell never thought he would struggle like he did in game 1 but I definately thought this was going to be a difficult transition for him.

Having said that I still would never have traded him and think that we would have killed Cinci with him under center over Orton.

tsiguy96
09-19-2009, 02:49 PM
Weren't you the same guy that was arguing to start "Brandy" in week 1?

As for Cutler... I think the vast majority of people here thought he would struggle with the crappy Oline and WR's he has now. Now I sure as hell never thought he would struggle like he did in game 1 but I definately thought this was going to be a difficult transition for him.

Having said that I still would never have traded him and think that we would have killed Cinci with him under center over Orton.

yes, given that his finger was broken in half i didnt think orton would be able to go, brandy looked great out there and everyone has to admit that, even when going against first team Ds.

i have said multiple times i would NOT have traded cutler if i was making decisions, but can totally understand why they did and am not 100% upset given that we got a lot out of it and cutler was and still is a risk as a QB, he may never develop like we think he can.

chicago fans never thought he would struggle, they were convinced he was the second coming of jesus and would come in and play amazing, they saw the mopey jay.

TheDave
09-19-2009, 02:56 PM
yes, given that his finger was broken in half i didnt think orton would be able to go, brandy looked great out there and everyone has to admit that, even when going against first team Ds.

i have said multiple times i would NOT have traded cutler if i was making decisions, but can totally understand why they did and am not 100% upset given that we got a lot out of it and cutler was and still is a risk as a QB, he may never develop like we think he can.

chicago fans never thought he would struggle, they were convinced he was the second coming of jesus and would come in and play amazing, they saw the mopey jay.

Well, then Chicago fan is an idiot. take away a great Oline and replace an excelent group of WR's with Devon Hester and ANY QB would struggle. Hell Peyton Manning couldn't make much out of that group.

We will see what happens, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a full scale melt down from cutler this week.

By the way, there have been a lot of rumors all off season that cutler was absolutely miserable in Chicagos offense. Looks like some of those might be true.

How's that phrase go? Careful what you wish for... ;D

baja
09-19-2009, 02:59 PM
Well, then Chicago fan is an idiot. take away a great Oline and replace an excelent group of WR's with Devon Hester and ANY QB would struggle. Hell Peyton Manning couldn't make much out of that group.

We will see what happens, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a full scale melt down from cutler this week.

By the way, there have been a lot of rumors all off season that cutler was absolutely miserable in Chicagos offense. Looks like some of those might be true.

How's that phrase go? Careful what you wish for... ;D

Slowly, ever so slowly they come around. ;D

TheDave
09-19-2009, 03:03 PM
Slowly, ever so slowly they come around. ;D

You need to reread my previous post...

Having said that I still would never have traded him and think that we would have killed Cinci with him under center over Orton.

BroncoMan4ever
09-19-2009, 03:08 PM
I'll give him the first few games. Kyle Orton and Chris Simms are practically identical when it counts during the regular season. They both have a career QB rating of 71. I'm not going to anoint Chris Simms because of how he played against the San Francisco two's and three's in preseason. Obviously Kyle Orton has the backing of his teammates and coaches because of what he's done in camp and they aren't just going to pull him after one game. I'd be willing to bet that if the offense continues to look as anemic as it did last week that Simms could get a look by week 4/5.

Regardless, my point still stands. Comparing Orton to Cutler is silly. If they compared the trade would not have been so lopsided.

i agree. i just don't plan on seeing Simms at all unless injury happens. also, i am not putting much stock into the stats of either QB from the previous teams they played for. Neither of them had much to work with aside from a defense and decent running games, it just seems unfair to try and compare their stats with a guy like Cutler who has had legit receiving weapons since he came into the league.

also i agree, way too many people are calling for Simms after he looked good in preseason against scrubs and players who don't currently have jobs in the NFL.

i just think with Orton and the anemic offensive output last week that it was a whole new thing for him. His injury is limiting him a little, regardless of what he or the coaches say, the injury is a hindrance to him, it is the 1st time he has played with Marshall in the lineup, same with Moreno, we were without a very important piece of our line which held our running game back and also allowed more pressure to reach Orton. I think with a little more time to gel with the entire offense, and with Kuper back, we will see a much more potent offense.

baja
09-19-2009, 03:17 PM
You need to reread my previous post...

Quote:
Having said that I still would never have traded him and think that we would have killed Cinci with him under center over Orton.







i actually agree with that , had Cutlergate never happened. If Jay had bought into McD's system and gave his best effort to study the new system we would have killed Cinci but he did melt down and everything considered I think over time we will be much better off with orton even giving that Cutler is physically a far superior talent.

BroncoMan4ever
09-19-2009, 03:20 PM
yes, given that his finger was broken in half i didnt think orton would be able to go, brandy looked great out there and everyone has to admit that, even when going against first team Ds.

i have said multiple times i would NOT have traded cutler if i was making decisions, but can totally understand why they did and am not 100% upset given that we got a lot out of it and cutler was and still is a risk as a QB, he may never develop like we think he can.

chicago fans never thought he would struggle, they were convinced he was the second coming of jesus and would come in and play amazing, they saw the mopey jay.

statistically Cutler has not gotten any better. his averages remain the same year to year over his 1st 3 seasons, the only thing that changed is he threw the ball more each season, his attitude hasn't gotten any better. there is a difference between having a swagger to yourself and being an arrogant, egotistical child. look at Rivers. he is a cocky prick, but he is all about the team and he works his ass of to get better every year, same with Manning, Brady, all the best QBs in the league, they all have a cocky attitude and swagger to them, but they are willing to take the criticism and work on getting better. Cutler has always struck me as a guy who already believes he is great and can get no better than he already is.

i truly don't think he is ever going to mature as a QB and reach the full level of his potential. in , college no one pushed him to get better because he was better than everyone else on the team, in Denver he wasn't pushed to get better because he was Shanahan's guy, in Chicago he isn't going to be pushed to get better because he is the best that city has had since the 1940s and they don't want to end up in the situation Denver was with him.

plus when a coach does come along and treat him like any other player on the team, and try to be tough and push him to get better, we all were witness to what happened. he couldn't handle it and went into seclusion and cut off all contact with the coach he felt was mean to him until he got his way and was traded to a team that wouldn't be tough on him.

the guy has all the talent in the world and could go down easily as one of the greatest ever, but mentally i don't believe he has the ability to put that talent to work and become as good as he can be.

baja
09-19-2009, 03:21 PM
Can you envision Bowlen saying, "Well I guess Jay is the man around here now." about Elway. I think the way he phrased that and his tone was an early indication Pat was not all that enthralled with Mr. Cutler.

baja
09-19-2009, 03:24 PM
statistically Cutler has not gotten any better. his averages remain the same year to year over his 1st 3 seasons, the only thing that changed is he threw the ball more each season, his attitude hasn't gotten any better. there is a difference between having a swagger to yourself and being an arrogant, egotistical child. look at Rivers. he is a cocky prick, but he is all about the team and he works his ass of to get better every year, same with Manning, Brady, all the best QBs in the league, they all have a cocky attitude and swagger to them, but they are willing to take the criticism and work on getting better. Cutler has always struck me as a guy who already believes he is great and can get no better than he already is.

i truly don't think he is ever going to mature as a QB and reach the full level of his potential. in , college no one pushed him to get better because he was better than everyone else on the team, in Denver he wasn't pushed to get better because he was Shanahan's guy, in Chicago he isn't going to be pushed to get better because he is the best that city has had since the 1940s and they don't want to end up in the situation Denver was with him.

plus when a coach does come along and treat him like any other player on the team, and try to be tough and push him to get better, we all were witness to what happened. he couldn't handle it and went into seclusion and cut off all contact with the coach he felt was mean to him until he got his way and was traded to a team that wouldn't be tough on him.

the guy has all the talent in the world and could go down easily as one of the greatest ever, but mentally i don't believe he has the ability to put that talent to work and become as good as he can be.

Good point. A telling Cutler line that you are right is, "I really didn't think they would trade me."

TonyR
09-19-2009, 09:17 PM
Chicago's defense was 21st last year while we were 29th.


Take a look at these rankings. Chicago's defense was actually pretty good last year.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef2008

BroncoDoug
09-19-2009, 09:49 PM
Quote:
Having said that I still would never have traded him and think that we would have killed Cinci with him under center over Orton.







i actually agree with that , had Cutlergate never happened. If Jay had bought into McD's system and gave his best effort to study the new system we would have killed Cinci but he did melt down and everything considered I think over time we will be much better off with orton even giving that Cutler is physically a far superior talent.

Do you think we will re-sign Orton this offseason, or that McD really has him in his long term plans? I have my doubts

rastaman
09-19-2009, 10:35 PM
because cutler gets years to get in sync with his receivers and line and for the defense to carry him. orton has to play good RIGHT NOW or its all a failure. like i said in another post, if cutler wins less than 9 games, orton is a better QB, plain and simple. cutler has a better line, better WR depth and essentially the same defense.

Now Orton has the better line and WR's he should have a better season than Cutler both in wins and stats.

baja
09-19-2009, 10:45 PM
Do you think we will re-sign Orton this offseason, or that McD really has him in his long term plans? I have my doubts

It would have been more accurate if I had said we will be better off with out Cutler and hopefully we will find a QB to play well in McDs system and it could turn out to be Orton.

TailgateNut
09-19-2009, 10:45 PM
Now Orton has the better line and WR's he should have a better season than Cutler both in wins and stats.

DUDE, you have issues. Isues which cannot be resolved without electroshock therapy

rastaman
09-19-2009, 10:58 PM
fo sho.

besides, we still have a winning record this season, last i checked ;)

why people refuse to give the team some time to get on the same page in real games is beyond me.

Gotta win NOW! The season is only 16 games long and McD only has 3 years to turn things around and that ain't enough time. In 2010, we will see how things go while ridding out the 2009 season.

BroncoDoug
09-19-2009, 11:20 PM
It would have been more accurate if I had said we will be better off with out Cutler and hopefully we will find a QB to play well in McDs system and it could turn out to be Orton.

Mmmk, thats kinda my line of thought. I don't think Orton is the long term answer, but I don't believe Cutler will ever mature into a franchise quarterback.

rastaman
09-19-2009, 11:24 PM
DUDE, you have issues. Isues which cannot be resolved without electroshock therapy

Orton has the better line and WR's he should have a better season than Cutler both in wins and stats.

Why are you in denial about this fact???

Cito Pelon
09-20-2009, 09:13 AM
Its also a place where you can come home and be away from stupid city people and soccer moms. As well as a place where you see deer in your backyard half the time, a place where neighbors introduce themselves when you move in, and would give you the shirt off their backs, and a place where I havent locked my door in 2 years with no consequences(no, nobody can have my address), a place where my cellphone doesnt work :), and a place where there are no sex offenders within a 2 mile radius of where I live, as opposed to the 250 that were in that radius in Littleton. For me its a great place to raise my kids, so please, nobody move here. Id prefer we stayed a "nothing" town. To me this place is my own little slice of heaven, especially after dealing with city bullcrap all day.

Sorry about that, but I've had some bad luck thereabouts. If you like it that's fine with me.

Spider
09-20-2009, 09:24 AM
because cutler gets years to get in sync with his receivers and line and for the defense to carry him. orton has to play good RIGHT NOW or its all a failure. like i said in another post, if cutler wins less than 9 games, orton is a better QB, plain and simple. cutler has a better line, better WR depth and essentially the same defense.

Where in the hell did you get this from ?

Spider
09-20-2009, 09:26 AM
Its also a place where you can come home and be away from stupid city people and soccer moms. As well as a place where you see deer in your backyard half the time, a place where neighbors introduce themselves when you move in, and would give you the shirt off their backs, and a place where I havent locked my door in 2 years with no consequences(no, nobody can have my address), a place where my cellphone doesnt work :), and a place where there are no sex offenders within a 2 mile radius of where I live, as opposed to the 250 that were in that radius in Littleton. For me its a great place to raise my kids, so please, nobody move here. Id prefer we stayed a "nothing" town. To me this place is my own little slice of heaven, especially after dealing with city bullcrap all day.

LOL Colorado ? all of this is in Colorado ? I lived there for 25 years ....... got it better in Wyoming ;D

baja
09-20-2009, 09:42 AM
LOL Colorado ? all of this is in Colorado ? I lived there for 25 years ....... got it better in Wyoming ;D

Ya but if the wind suddenly stopped blowing everybody would fall over.

Spider
09-20-2009, 09:45 AM
Ya but if the wind suddenly stopped blowing everybody would fall over.

;D Yeah , but in Wyoming , I never sat in Traffic .........

baja
09-20-2009, 09:46 AM
;D Yeah , but in Wyoming , I never sat in Traffic .........

But you do line up for sheep.... ;D

Where you been anyway???

Spider
09-20-2009, 09:51 AM
But you do line up for sheep.... ;D Only for the ones with their heads stuck in the fence .......... the others run to fastt to line up for ;D

Where you been anyway???

;D busy .....very busy , the got me back i nthe flame truck now , engine , tranny , front end , etc ............All has been rebuilt ...... Now the truck has to make some money ;D

baja
09-20-2009, 09:54 AM
Only for the ones with their heads stuck in the fence .......... the others run to fastt to line up for ;D



;D busy .....very busy , the got me back i nthe flame truck now , engine , tranny , front end , etc ............All has been rebuilt ...... Now the truck has to make some money ;D

That's great news Brro. So glad to hear that now stay awake when you are driving will ya.

Tip;

In Maine we would just slip their hind legs in our muckers and presto they ran no more.

In Baja we just shoot them and do them before they cool off.

Spider
09-20-2009, 10:08 AM
That's great news Brro. So glad to hear that now stay awake when you are driving will ya.

Tip;

In Maine we would just slip their hind legs in our muckers and presto they ran no more.

In Baja we just shoot them and do them before they cool off.

Ahhhhhhhhh ,you east coast guys always do things backards ;D
we get a great work out ;D

baja
09-20-2009, 10:16 AM
Ahhhhhhhhh ,you east coast guys always do things backards ;D
we get a great work out ;D

Well if I was the typical Wyoming premature ejaculator I guess getting in a run first would make sense. ;D

spdirty
09-20-2009, 10:32 AM
LOL Colorado ? all of this is in Colorado ? I lived there for 25 years ....... got it better in Wyoming ;D

Hey, just because your family equals the total population of Wyoming...;D

Spider
09-20-2009, 10:42 AM
hey, just because your family equals the total population of wyoming...;d

;d.........

Miss I.
09-20-2009, 11:13 AM
Hey Spider, if you really like sheep, you should come to England...they have a lot of them...plus you could be a Lorry Driver here (that's what they call the big rigs over here, can't figure out why everything is a girl's name over here...oh well, their British). And I found the best food today, tee hee, it's called spotted richard (well sort of). ;D

baja
09-20-2009, 11:15 AM
Hey Spider, if you really like sheep, you should come to England...they have a lot of them...plus you could be a Lorry Driver here (that's what they call the big rigs over here, can't figure out why everything is a girl's name over here...oh well, their British). And I found the best food today, tee hee, it's called spotted richard (well sort of). ;D

Don't swallow that stuff is fattening. ;D

Miss I.
09-20-2009, 11:18 AM
Don't swallow that stuff is fattening. ;D

OhI didn't eat it. I bought 2 of them in a box and plan on mailing them to people....hee hee...

baja
09-20-2009, 11:19 AM
OhI didn't eat it. I bought 2 of them in a box and plan on mailing them to people....hee hee...

Oh well than never mind.

PS hope they clear customs.

Miss I.
09-20-2009, 11:22 AM
Not that I wouldn't eat, um....anyway, so how about them broncos! ;D

BroncoMan4ever
09-20-2009, 11:24 AM
Do you think we will re-sign Orton this offseason, or that McD really has him in his long term plans? I have my doubts

if Orton plays well and leads us to a 9-7 record, he will be re-signed.

McDaniels is auditioning him right now. Simms is not going to take over, he was brought in to be nothing more than a backup. it is up to Orton, he is auditioning for a shot to be a starting QB in Denver for the next few years or to be a backup for the rest of his career.

if we are good, Orton will be back next season.

BroncoMan4ever
09-20-2009, 11:35 AM
Now Orton has the better line and WR's he should have a better season than Cutler both in wins and stats.

that is a bit far fetched. Orton is not going to put the ball in the air 616 times this year, which means possible passing yardage goes down, same with TD opportunities. Orton will probably have better averages than Cutler did though.

you can't say that just because Cutler threw for 4500 yards and 27 TDs putting the ball up 616 times that he had a better season than Orton if at the end of the year Orton throws for 3500 yards and 24 TDs putting the ball in the air only 475 times.

I think Orton having a 2-1 TD-INT ratio, at least an 8-8 record, and having his teammates both respect him as a leader and like playing with him and he had a better season BY FAR than Jay did last year.

Statistically it probably isn't going to be obvious that Orton plays better, because he isn't going to have as many opportunities as Jay. But he is going to be efficient and take much better care of the ball and his teammates will like him a whole lot better than they ever liked Jay.

and teammates liking their leader is a big thing. If you have respect and like the man calling the shots, you are going to work a little harder, if you see your leader battling to the end, you are going to fight to the end with him.

Orton doesn't have Jay's athletic ability, but he makes the Broncos a better TEAM.

Spider
09-20-2009, 11:46 AM
Hey Spider, if you really like sheep, you should come to England...they have a lot of them...plus you could be a Lorry Driver here (that's what they call the big rigs over here, can't figure out why everything is a girl's name over here...oh well, their British). And I found the best food today, tee hee, it's called spotted richard (well sort of). ;D

;D about that.................

rastaman
09-20-2009, 11:59 AM
that is a bit far fetched. Orton is not going to put the ball in the air 616 times this year, which means possible passing yardage goes down, same with TD opportunities. Orton will probably have better averages than Cutler did though.

you can't say that just because Cutler threw for 4500 yards and 27 TDs putting the ball up 616 times that he had a better season than Orton if at the end of the year Orton throws for 3500 yards and 24 TDs putting the ball in the air only 475 times.

I think Orton having a 2-1 TD-INT ratio, at least an 8-8 record, and having his teammates both respect him as a leader and like playing with him and he had a better season BY FAR than Jay did last year.

Statistically it probably isn't going to be obvious that Orton plays better, because he isn't going to have as many opportunities as Jay. But he is going to be efficient and take much better care of the ball and his teammates will like him a whole lot better than they ever liked Jay.

and teammates liking their leader is a big thing. If you have respect and like the man calling the shots, you are going to work a little harder, if you see your leader battling to the end, you are going to fight to the end with him.

Orton doesn't have Jay's athletic ability, but he makes the Broncos a better TEAM.

Good points. Also consider Cutler won't be throwing the ball as often with the Bears like he did last year in Denver. Turner will definitely dial back throwing the ball and run the ball more with Forte. What is most important for Cutler is that the coaches and teammates are behind him. Here are comments from HC and players showing solidarity with Cutler:

QUOTES:

Bears coach Lovie Smith and offensive coordinator Ron Turner, however, rushed to his defense.

Smith said the criticism was disappointing coming from two former coaches and added: "Right now, it's easy to dogpaddle us because we didn't play well."

Turner said: "The reality is he's a great leader. The reality is we could not be happier with Jay Cutler. We could not be happier with his demeanor, with his leadership, with his intangibles, with his work ethic, with what he brings to this team."

Cutler certainly wasn't praising his performance after the game, but he didn't shoulder the blame, either -- and there was plenty to go around. A retooled offensive line got overpowered, the running game never got going and two of the interceptions could be pinned on the receivers.

In other words, it was a meltdown by an offense that is expected to be better now that a Pro Bowl quarterback is behind center, and although Cutler's answers afterward were a little short, there was nothing unusual about his demeanor. Fair or not, though, he simply can't avoid questions about his attitude.

"I don't know what the perception is, but the reality of it is he's great," tight end Greg Olsen said. "He's like any other elite quarterback that you would have. He has a lot of confidence in himself and what we're trying to do. He holds himself to a high standard, but during the games, he's calm. He's very under control."

What's notable about the criticism is that three of the four former coaches weren't exactly known for their professional demeanor in press conferences, with Dungy being the exception. Mora, who delivered the legendary "Playoffs?! Don't talk about playoffs!" rant when he coached the Colts, even joked about his reputation on the show, calling himself "an authority on these types of things" and offering to give Cutler some tips on how to handle himself.

Also, the criticism has come from two mentors of Smith, who worked for Dungy in Tampa Bay and Martz in St. Louis. Martz, in fact, pushed for Smith to get the Chicago job in 2004.

"We don't have a lot of time to worry about what's been said on the outside," Smith said.

Miss I.
09-20-2009, 12:01 PM
;D about that.................

about lorry drivers or sheep? :kiss:

BroncoBuff
09-26-2009, 07:00 PM
Dumbass. Even if I got completely fed up with dealing with you jackass "True Fans" and left here...I wouldn't go to some stupid Bears board. I'm a Broncos fan. I hate what's been done to this team, but I wouldn't go to some other cvnt team's board. I really really like Jay and I DO want him to succeed, he's my 2nd favorite player in the entire NFL. You guys are doing a nice job of trying to drive me off, though. I find myself hating it more and more. If it weren't for Taco being such a swell guy, I'd probably be gone by now, because I AM sick and ****ing tired of dealing with the Brownshirts on this site. A break might be in order, though....because I really, really, really do hate your kind.

Last post in 2 weeks from the best poster on the site.

I agree with every word ... you Brownshirt thought police are a real bunch of low brows. :oyvey:

GreatBronco16
09-26-2009, 07:08 PM
Last post in 2 weeks from the best poster on the site.




Only in your opinion.

BroncoBuff
09-26-2009, 07:32 PM
Only in your opinion.

Yeah I guess so ... mine and a whole lotta other posters here :thumbs:

Blueflame
09-26-2009, 07:45 PM
Last post in 2 weeks from the best poster on the site.

I agree with every word ... you Brownshirt thought police are a real bunch of low brows. :oyvey:

Unfortunately the "Better-Fans-Than-You" will now allege that the reason he's not posting more often is because he's upset about the team winning... ::)

broncogary
09-26-2009, 07:55 PM
Last post in 2 weeks from the best poster on the site.

I agree with every word ... you Brownshirt thought police are a real bunch of low brows. :oyvey:

Is he still modding?

BlaK-Argentina
09-26-2009, 08:28 PM
Only in your opinion.

Certainly one of the best. Too bad he took the loss of Shanny-Cutler and the signing of McD so bad. I hope he comes back and people get off his back.

BroncoBuff
09-26-2009, 08:52 PM
Unfortunately the "Better-Fans-Than-You" will now allege that the reason he's not posting more often is because he's upset about the team winning... ::)

Oh my gosh I didn't think of that, but you're right.

My mind doesn't think that way. To me, everybody here is a Broncos fan, none better than the next.

Blueflame
09-26-2009, 08:56 PM
Oh my gosh I didn't think of that, but you're right.

My mind doesn't think that way. To me, everybody here is a Broncos fan, none better than the next.

My mind doesn't think that way either...but that very thing was already slyly hinted at regarding one of my posts (that I supposedly haven't been posting much since the team's winning, but of course that must be a coincidence...)

GreatBronco16
09-26-2009, 11:36 PM
Certainly one of the best. Too bad he took the loss of Shanny-Cutler and the signing of McD so bad. I hope he comes back and people get off his back.

He is a good poster no doubt. But he took what happend to the team way too personal.

Archer81
09-26-2009, 11:40 PM
My mind doesn't think that way either...but that very thing was already slyly hinted at regarding one of my posts (that I supposedly haven't been posting much since the team's winning, but of course that must be a coincidence...)



FAUX FAN!!!!

Kidding.

Everybody wants the Broncos to do well. We just all have a familyesque squabble about how the Broncos go about doing well.


:Broncos:

baja
09-26-2009, 11:43 PM
Couple of more wins and they will all be back, trying to come up with a way to convince everyone that they knew all along that McD was going to be a great coach that is how these things work.

Hogan11
09-26-2009, 11:50 PM
Last post in 2 weeks from the best poster on the site.

Hey, you told me at the Skybox that I was the best poster on this site....Hmmmm, my nose is a bit bent now Ha!

Seriously, I like SoCal and wish he could've made it out to OMW, I miss his posts but I don't miss having to look at Tricky Dick each time he did so.

TailgateNut
09-26-2009, 11:50 PM
Is he still modding?

It's "Moping" not "modding". :wiggle:


F-ing WaaaaaaaaaaaaH. " I'm leaving" amd "you guy are meanies". :spit:

bronco610
09-26-2009, 11:53 PM
Couple of more wins and they will all be back, trying to come up with a way to convince everyone that they knew all along that McD was going to be a great coach that is how these things work.

I just think it is hilarious that we have to decide McD is going to be a good coach or not before the facts are in. No matter what side your on. You love cutler your a bad fan, you hate cutler your a bad fan. Shanahan is fired, Bowlen you gutless drunk, Shanahan is fired, well its about time. If you have an opinion fine, there will be plenty of time to see if the deciscions made are good or bad. I suspect there will be both, but all this choosing sides is stupid.
For God's sake give it a rest people !!!!!!!

baja
09-27-2009, 12:16 AM
<b>I just think it is hilarious</b> that we have to decide McD is going to be a good coach or not before the facts are in. No matter what side your on. You love cutler your a bad fan, you hate cutler your a bad fan. Shanahan is fired, Bowlen you gutless drunk, Shanahan is fired, well its about time. If you have an opinion fine, there will be plenty of time to see if the deciscions made are good or bad. I suspect there will be both, but all this choosing sides is stupid.
For God's sake give it a rest people !!!!!!!

It is.

TomServo
09-27-2009, 12:51 AM
the Bears (and cutler) just beat the defending SB champs and the cream of the afc. we just beat the Worst team in the entire nfl(detroit lions included). WooHoo yay broncos

Archer81
09-27-2009, 12:58 AM
the Bears (and cutler) just beat the defending SB champs and the cream of the afc. we just beat the Worst team in the entire nfl(detroit lions included). WooHoo yay broncos


Your enthusiasm is underwhelming.


:Broncos:

jhat01
09-27-2009, 07:24 AM
the Bears (and cutler) just beat the defending SB champs and the cream of the afc. we just beat the Worst team in the entire nfl(detroit lions included). WooHoo yay broncos

The Steelers don't look like world beaters to me. Nonetheless, the Bears are gonna be fine, we'll be a middle of the road team, hopefully one that has surprised some people this year. We will all follow the bears this year wondering about the draft pick, and most of us will take notice to cutler as long as he's in the league. It's all "what have you done for me lately" cutler was ripped apart after week one...he's a gutsy battling accurate passer after week two, it's just the way it goes.

It's ok that we beat the browns though, handling a team that you are supposed to handle is nothing to be ashamed of.

BroncoBuff
09-27-2009, 08:41 AM
the Bears (and cutler) just beat the defending SB champs and the cream of the afc. we just beat the Worst team in the entire nfl(detroit lions included). WooHoo yay broncos

Yes, but at least we've racked up some massive momentum.

In the long run, Stokley's miracle will win us another couple games on sheer positive mental approach.

chex
09-27-2009, 10:02 AM
the Bears (and cutler) just beat the defending SB champs and the cream of the afc. we just beat the Worst team in the entire nfl(detroit lions included). WooHoo yay broncos

Hmmm....I'm wondering when the Bears lose if Cutler's name will be featured as prominently.