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go_broncos
09-13-2009, 10:36 AM
bench him..

go_broncos
09-13-2009, 10:38 AM
Even Rookies are throwing better..

UberBroncoMan
09-13-2009, 10:39 AM
He's so ****ing bad hahahaha.

Hey this is what people wanted. Hope they enjoy it.

Hamrob
09-13-2009, 10:42 AM
That Cutler is such a punk. We don't need him anyway. It's all about the team. We can win with Kyle Orton. He's just as good as Cutler anyway.

Oh wait...

fontaine
09-13-2009, 10:43 AM
But, but, but Orton is a game manager, he won't throw ints (just take sacks instead).

You go after a mediocre QB in today's NFL and this is what happens.

Welcome to mediocrity, welcome to Aborton.

footstepsfrom#27
09-13-2009, 10:45 AM
Time for Simms?

fontaine
09-13-2009, 10:47 AM
Time for Simms?

Screw Simms. All of our QBs suck donk dick. For some reason our newbie HC thought he could turn turds into great QBs and we got a roster full of turds who can't complete a pass.

Time to just grin and bear it.

Well, at least our defense will get plenty of work.

McDman
09-13-2009, 10:49 AM
Seems like an awful lot of people are enjoying us failing.

Way to go guys!

fontaine
09-13-2009, 10:53 AM
Seems like an awful lot of people are enjoying us failing.

Way to go guys!

Yeah, we wanted to grab a mediocre QB like Orton!


Orton was a douchebag in Chicago and nobody here took him seriously then. The only reason why people here switched off their brain and hoped against hope was that he was wearing orange and blue.

Let's see how long that delusion lasts.

fontaine
09-13-2009, 10:58 AM
Our D is playing with a lot of heart, now getting a red zone int.

Too bad it's all for nothing since that ball goes right to aborton.

fontaine
09-13-2009, 11:00 AM
The Bengals D is completely crowding the box right now.

go_broncos
09-13-2009, 11:00 AM
This is frustrating man...Mcd..For gods sake..Please bench Orton

SoCalBronco
09-13-2009, 11:01 AM
Time for Simms?

Simms?

Hell...I'd even go for Bob's Mom in there behind center at this point.

(I don't think Weigmann would agree, though :) ).

fontaine
09-13-2009, 11:02 AM
3rd and two,

Orton throws a short pass with ZERO zip to Royal who had two defenders right on top of him.

What a heartless, ****ing, no talent son of b****.

It's like this mother****er is afraid to even look farther than 5 yards past the line of scrimmage. Even Plummer didn't play this ****ing badly.

That's what the 4th 3 and out??

Mother**** this neckbeard clown.

go_broncos
09-13-2009, 11:03 AM
1 First down..:hitself:

jmz313
09-13-2009, 11:06 AM
yeah, this is hillarious, our O looks retarded. 3 down routes are 4 yds short of 1st down marker and kyle still can get it there.

fontaine
09-13-2009, 11:07 AM
I wish Pat Bowlen would ask Orton to give him a call and then forget when Kyle does call.

SoCalBronco
09-13-2009, 11:08 AM
I wish Pat Bowlen would ask Orton to give him a call and then forget when Kyle does call.

Well.....he does have short term memory loss.

go_broncos
09-13-2009, 11:08 AM
Forget Points..I want First down badly

DBroncos4life
09-13-2009, 11:10 AM
All the sudden 24.1 points per game looks like a ton.

fontaine
09-13-2009, 11:11 AM
Once again our Defense stops the Bengals, these guys are playing with a lot of heart.

I bet people in Chicago are still laughing at us.

zdoor
09-13-2009, 11:14 AM
Defense looks great. QB is absolutely terrible...

fontaine
09-13-2009, 11:17 AM
Awesome, Orton finally complete a pass longer than a few yards. . .
. . .

Only it's against a full prevent defense.

Now if only Josh McDaniels could scheme a game every week against prevent defenses all the time then Orton would be fine.

snowspot66
09-13-2009, 11:31 AM
Well they seemed to pick it up a little bit there at the end. Hopefully guys will start holding on to the ball like it's their job or something. Orton's no world beater. We won't get any momentum if we keep dropping **** as well.

Beantown Bronco
09-13-2009, 11:31 AM
Seems like an awful lot of people are enjoying us failing.

Way to go guys!

Enjoying? Nope.

Just pointing out that now that we have "real football" going on, we're seeing the same things we were seeing all preseason long out of the "Orton-led" offense. People always want to completely discredit what they see during the preseason as "meaningless football", but more often than not, it is anything but.

Rigs11
09-13-2009, 11:33 AM
Boy our receivers are really helping orton out. Way to go MarshallHa!

Merlin
09-13-2009, 11:36 AM
Seems like an awful lot of people are enjoying us failing.
No, a lot of posters thought Orton was mediocre at best, thought the trade was idiotic, and then had to put up with moronic posts that suggested Orton was as good or better than Cutler, especially with McD's system.

I especially like the morons who argued against last yr's offence because of the points. Well now we can't move the ball nor score points (unless the refs give us a hand)...yes, much better.

The truly sad part is that the ever insightful McD, with his great ability to assess talent, chose the lower picks Chicago offered us over the picks Washington offered, because Orton was the better QB. Who cares, he's mediocre and needed to be replaced, why care about getting him.

Lastly, yes Orton had more wins than Cutler, clear proof that he was the better QB.

Beantown Bronco
09-13-2009, 11:38 AM
Boy our receivers are really helping orton out. Way to go MarshallHa!

Bengals have dropped twice as many passes from Palmer.

Beantown Bronco
09-13-2009, 11:39 AM
Lastly, yes Orton had more wins than Cutler, clear proof that he was the better QB.

This one was one of my favorites too. Anyone else like how technically Carson Palmer also has a losing record? He must suck.

Rigs11
09-13-2009, 11:42 AM
Bengals have dropped twice as many passes from Palmer.

coulld give a rats ass about the bengals. I was pointing out that everyone is on orton, and yet we've had some dropped passes by our receivers

go_broncos
09-13-2009, 11:44 AM
We need a QB badly.Hopefully, Mcd realizes that.

fontaine
09-13-2009, 11:45 AM
We've got the best group of pass catchers in the league, they are putting 9 guys in the box.

Why are we running the football against that ****?

Garcia Bronco
09-13-2009, 11:46 AM
Awesome, Orton finally complete a pass longer than a few yards. . .
. . .

Only it's against a full prevent defense.

Now if only Josh McDaniels could scheme a game every week against prevent defenses all the time then Orton would be fine.

The blitzed

Beantown Bronco
09-13-2009, 11:46 AM
coulld give a rats ass about the bengals. I was pointing out that everyone is on orton, and yet we've had some dropped passes by our receivers

Just one that meant anything. The other was behind the LOS and Marshall was surrounded by two defenders. Wouldn't have made a difference.

Nobody else has dropped a catchable pass.

Momentum
09-13-2009, 11:54 AM
He lost every Quarter in the Preseason due to turnovers

fontaine
09-13-2009, 11:57 AM
It's about time Orton got his head out of his azz.

Amazing how when you get even mediocre play from the QB the offense starts moving downfield.

fontaine
09-13-2009, 11:59 AM
Oops, spoke too soon.

Rigs11
09-13-2009, 12:00 PM
Just one that meant anything. The other was behind the LOS and Marshall was surrounded by two defenders. Wouldn't have made a difference.

Nobody else has dropped a catchable pass.

Two more dropped by Marshall and hillis that meant something

snowspot66
09-13-2009, 12:01 PM
If everybody would just get on the same page we might be getting somewhere. When McDaniels starts having Hillis run it on short yardage we just might have something.

Jesterhole
09-13-2009, 12:02 PM
Wow McD, not at easy when you don't have Tom Brady running your lil' system, huh? Sure was a great idea to trade that elite QB we had for sub-Griese like talent.

fontaine
09-13-2009, 12:04 PM
Wow McD, not at easy when you don't have Tom Brady running your lil' system, huh? Sure was a great idea to trade that elite QB we had for sub-Griese like talent.

Amazing isn't it?

The team takes 6 years, spends multi - millions, and all it takes is for some no name rookie HC to take us back to those gutless Griese days in just a fews weeks.

**** you McDaniels.

fontaine
09-13-2009, 12:08 PM
What a horrible freakin throw by Orton. He had all day, a wide open Scheffler and he throws it behind him and low.

Rigs11
09-13-2009, 12:09 PM
And another by stokley.yep it's all ortons fault...

TonyR
09-13-2009, 12:10 PM
Enjoying? Nope.

Just pointing out that now that we have "real football" going on, we're seeing the same things we were seeing all preseason long out of the "Orton-led" offense. People always want to completely discredit what they see during the preseason as "meaningless football", but more often than not, it is anything but.

While at the same time ignoring how well the defense is playing. You can't have it both ways.

Beantown Bronco
09-13-2009, 12:11 PM
And another by stokley.yep it's all ortons fault...

He's low, hitting the wrong shoulder, etc. Schef bailed him out big time on the play before when he was WIDE open and Orton couldn't hit him anywhere near in stride, so it's going both ways.

fontaine
09-13-2009, 12:11 PM
And another by stokley.yep it's all ortons fault...

Yeah, and Scheffler caught a pass that was low and behind him while he was on the run. If it was nearer to him that would have been a TD.

It works both ways, the WRs dropped a couple and they also caught some pretty awful throws.

Beantown Bronco
09-13-2009, 12:12 PM
While at the same time ignoring how well the defense is playing. You can't have it both ways.

Not me. When they performed well, I always acknowledged it.

TonyR
09-13-2009, 12:12 PM
Hey this is what people wanted.

Who wanted this? I don't know that anyone suggested after last season that the Broncos should go from Cutler to Orton. But at least we appear to be fielding a defense today, if nothing else...

fontaine
09-13-2009, 12:14 PM
The point is the Bengals have been stacking 8/9 guys on the first two downs for the last two quarters and Orton has done nothing about it except for that awful pass to Scheffler.

Not only does this guy have no balls to test the defense but he's got zero accuracy. I've seen some really ugly passes behind WRs, low and all over the place except in stride.

It's going to be a really long season.

TonyR
09-13-2009, 12:16 PM
Could be worse. Have you seen what Jake Delhomme has done today?

Beantown Bronco
09-13-2009, 12:19 PM
Watching this year's offense is like watching last year's defense.

Rigs11
09-13-2009, 12:20 PM
Yeah, and Scheffler caught a pass that was low and behind him while he was on the run. If it was nearer to him that would have been a TD.

It works both ways, the WRs dropped a couple and they also caught some pretty awful throws.

My point exactly. But everyone blames orton only

Beantown Bronco
09-13-2009, 12:21 PM
Nice job, Orton. Way to hang another guy out to dry.

Griese-like.

BroncosCanada
09-13-2009, 12:22 PM
Is he going to kill all our WR's in week 1?

Beantown Bronco
09-13-2009, 12:23 PM
My point exactly. But everyone blames orton only

Name a weaker link on the entire starting offensive, defensive and special teams units right now.

Who else:

Can't hit guys in stride
Can't complete a deep pass
Can't run
Sacks himself
Hangs WRs out to dry over the middle

broncofan
09-13-2009, 12:23 PM
Nice job, Orton. Way to hang another guy out to dry.

Griese-like.

His awareness is horrible...I'm becoming irate over how awful he is at protecting his receivers.

TonyR
09-13-2009, 12:25 PM
Not me. When they performed well, I always acknowledged it.

I agree, you were one of very few who was fair about the D last year. But many are complaining about Orton today, and rightfully so, but those same people should at least acknowledge the fact that the D is playing really well.

Rigs11
09-13-2009, 12:27 PM
Name a weaker link on the entire starting offensive, defensive and special teams units right now.

Who else:

Can't hit guys in stride
Can't complete a deep pass
Can't run
Sacks himself
Hangs WRs out to dry over the middle

Well gee only the qb has those roles.if you can't admit to all the dropped passes then you're not watching the game.how was that pass to Graham?

fontaine
09-13-2009, 12:29 PM
Could be worse. Have you seen what Jake Delhomme has done today?

Yeah could be worse, we could have lost a franchise QB and replaced him by a talentless, inconsistent, inaccurate one year lame duck.

Oh wait.

But to his credit, after three quarters of awful play, Orton is finally stepping up a little.

Rigs11
09-13-2009, 12:31 PM
WE should blame that holding and false start penalty on neckbeard also.

Beantown Bronco
09-13-2009, 12:33 PM
PLEASE defend him for that sack. I dare you.

fontaine
09-13-2009, 12:34 PM
I agree, you were one of very few who was fair about the D last year. But many are complaining about Orton today, and rightfully so, but those same people should at least acknowledge the fact that the D is playing really well.

The defense has played lights out. They're really showing a lot of different looks with 4/5/6 guys on the line of scrimmage and at times blitzing or dropping back to zone coverage. Apart from giving up a few soft zone passes in the first half they've really held court.

With the way the offense has played, if the D hadn't stepped up then this game would have been over by the first half.

Beantown Bronco
09-13-2009, 12:35 PM
WE should blame that holding and false start penalty on neckbeard also.

There's a difference between calling someone "the weak link" and blaming them for every bad play made by the team. For you not to be able to see the difference is weak.

fontaine
09-13-2009, 12:35 PM
What a freaking douchebag. The pressure was clearly coming up the middle, right in front of his eyes and he just stood there looking stupid and taking the sack.

McDaniels now yelling at Orton on the sidelines.

Like watching two ****tards yelling at each other.

go_broncos
09-13-2009, 12:35 PM
I am really amazed that people still support Orton..

El Guapo
09-13-2009, 12:36 PM
Bone headed play #...

go_broncos
09-13-2009, 12:37 PM
Take the 3 points..Dont take that sack..Seriously..are u an NFL QB?

fontaine
09-13-2009, 12:42 PM
Take the 3 points..Dont take that sack..Seriously..are u an NFL QB?

That sack might just cost us the game.

fontaine
09-13-2009, 12:45 PM
Even if the D gives up a TD here, this all on Orton.

The gutless one had open green acres to throw into all day after the Bengals kept on stacking the box and all he had to show for it was a two intermediate passes to Graham/Scheffler.

listopencil
09-13-2009, 12:48 PM
Even if the D gives up a TD here, this all on Orton.

The gutless one had open green acres to throw into all day after the Bengals kept on stacking the box and all he had to show for it was a two intermediate passes to Graham/Scheffler.

If it wasn't for the D this game would have been over a long time ago.

go_broncos
09-13-2009, 12:49 PM
**** you orton..

Rigs11
09-13-2009, 12:50 PM
PLEASE defend him for that sack. I dare you.
That was a terrible play by orton, what did you think about the holding and false start penalties on that drive? I dare you.

go_broncos
09-13-2009, 12:50 PM
Orton..i am really pissed..you ruined my week..go to hell

BBB1980
09-13-2009, 12:51 PM
That sack might just cost us the game.

Did cost us the game.

orangemonkey
09-13-2009, 12:52 PM
we have the worst qb in the league. name a worst qb right now? nope you can't do it.

Beantown Bronco
09-13-2009, 12:53 PM
That was a terrible play by orton, what did you think about the holding and false start penalties on that drive? I dare you.

That dare doesn't make sense.

peacepipe
09-13-2009, 12:54 PM
Our defense holds the other team to just 7 points & we lose. pathetic

go_broncos
09-13-2009, 12:54 PM
I am really pissed..got so many opportunities..MCD..please bench Orton..I cant watch him

Bigdawg26
09-13-2009, 12:55 PM
Didn't some ppl say that he is a better quarterback than Culter??? I not sure he's better than patrick ramsey or Chris Simms

go_broncos
09-13-2009, 12:57 PM
Orton is the reason we lost the game..

BBB1980
09-13-2009, 01:00 PM
Holy F******** OMG

Meck77
09-13-2009, 01:03 PM
Orton is the reason we lost the game..

Actually he's the one who threw the WINNING TD. :wiggle:

Rigs11
09-13-2009, 01:04 PM
Ha ha. Eat it bitches!

snowspot66
09-13-2009, 01:04 PM
Orton is the reason we lost the game..

Even if we had lost that would be a crock of ****. Our RB's slipped all over the field and recievers dropped a ton of passes too. Add in a few wonderfully timed penalties and the entire offense **** the bed the first half. They started slow but picked it up a bit in the second half. Hopefully they'll continue to get more comfortable and play a full game next week.

SoCalBronco
09-13-2009, 01:05 PM
Ha ha. Eat it b****es!

Eat what? We got super lucky at the end...thank God. That doesn't change the fact that Orton sucked dick.

BroncoBuff
09-13-2009, 01:05 PM
Orton sucks .... but that was UNBELIEVEABLE!!!!!!!!!!!

go_broncos
09-13-2009, 01:05 PM
Actually he's the one who threw the WINNING TD. :wiggle:

Fluke TD..

I am happy that we won the game..

GO BRONCOS..

I seriously think Orton is liability..

BroncoBuff
09-13-2009, 01:06 PM
Orton is prety bad, but WOW!

Beantown Bronco
09-13-2009, 01:07 PM
Eat what? We got super lucky at the end...thank God. That doesn't change the fact that Orton sucked dick.

I'm really worried about Rigs if he thinks that ridiculous play somehow redeems Orton.

BroncoBuff
09-13-2009, 01:07 PM
If there is a downside, it's that Orton will now continue to start, which he doesn't deserve.

Still, WOW!

Bigdawg26
09-13-2009, 01:08 PM
Sometimes is better to lucky than Good!!! Orton still blows but stockley rocks!!!

BroncoBuff
09-13-2009, 01:08 PM
That was just Orton's SECOND touchdown in 12 quarters.

Unacceptable.

BroncoBuff
09-13-2009, 01:09 PM
Top 10 best finishes EVER

Rigs11
09-13-2009, 01:10 PM
Eat what? We got super lucky at the end...thank God. That doesn't change the fact that Orton sucked dick.

Eat crow. For months weve been hearing about how mcd and orton are the end of the franchise. Well they won today. Even though orton sucked as did the receivers.they desrve props you deserve crow

Beantown Bronco
09-13-2009, 01:12 PM
Eat crow. For months weve been hearing about how mcd and orton are the end of the franchise. Well they won today. Even though orton sucked as did the receivers.they desrve props you deserve crow

My pitcher just gave up 15 runs.....but you know what, my batters just scored 16 runs. I always said that my pitcher sucks, but I better go eat my crow now because he "led my team to victory." What a crock.

zdoor
09-13-2009, 01:13 PM
Come On. That was Amazing. But, to hang your hat on that to defend Orton is absolutely ridiculous. Our D looks great but they will have to get better and better to make up for the ****ty offense. That pass was crap and it was an miraculous play that will be legend for years. But it in no way proves anything other than Orton can't win a game unless his team can make up for his craptastic play.

Rigs11
09-13-2009, 01:14 PM
I'm really worried about Rigs if he thinks that ridiculous play somehow redeems Orton.

Dude I know you desperately wanted us so lose so you could go on a week long hate fest on orton. Didn't happen. We had receivers dropping passes. Penalties killing that last drive, orton getting sacked instead of throwing the ball. In the end we won.your boy ****ler plays tonite, maybe you can cheer him on

BroncoBuff
09-13-2009, 01:15 PM
Ha ha. Eat it b****es!

Whoa there richard, we ALL won today.


Oh, and by the way? Orton sucks.

zdoor
09-13-2009, 01:16 PM
Eat crow. For months weve been hearing about how mcd and orton are the end of the franchise. Well they won today. Even though orton sucked as did the receivers.they desrve props you deserve crow

Your on drugs. Orton unarguably sucked. McD could still pull it out but he blew chunks to start his coaching career in what is without question the dumbest moves made by a rookie head coach. That said, as a fan hopefully he's learned from his obvious mistakes and can pull it out from here. I will still root for him but to say he proved **** is just ridiculous...

SoCalBronco
09-13-2009, 01:16 PM
Eat crow. For months weve been hearing about how mcd and orton are the end of the franchise. Well they won today. Even though orton sucked as did the receivers.they desrve props you deserve crow

Defense did a great job. I'll give Nolan and those guys props. McD's offense was **** and so was Orton. That they got saved by a miracle doesn't change that. If anything, YOU should be eating crow. I'm glad we're 1-0, but it took an act of God to save us from McD's incompetence on offense.

listopencil
09-13-2009, 01:16 PM
Orton is the reason we lost the game..



Not quite. :wiggle:

snowspot66
09-13-2009, 01:17 PM
Jesus Christ. Do none of you remember Plummer?

Plummer couldn't even throw as well as Orton unless he was on a bootleg. We still won with him. Quite a bit actually.

Yeah we downgraded from Cutler. Nobody is denying that. But ****. We can still win ball games. Orton would be looking a hell of a lot better if the O-line would cut the bad penalties and the recievers would hold on to the ****ing ball. The offense is still getting comfortable with the play book. What the **** do you expect?

Rigs11
09-13-2009, 01:17 PM
Come On. That was Amazing. But, to hang your hat on that to defend Orton is absolutely ridiculous. Our D looks great but they will have to get better and better to make up for the ****ty offense. That pass was crap and it was an miraculous play that will be legend for years. But it in no way proves anything other than Orton can't win a game unless his team can make up for his craptastic play.

we won be happy,regardless of the shiity play of orton

bronco militia
09-13-2009, 01:18 PM
oof....this can't conitnue much longer

I'm afraid its' going to take another 3 turnover half to get his stupid ass out of denver

go broncos

_Oro_
09-13-2009, 01:18 PM
He's got moxie!

BroncoBuff
09-13-2009, 01:19 PM
Orton unarguably sucked.

The bad part of Orton sucking is that it's not a fluke, this is exactly how he's been sucking all pre-season. No fire, no leadership or intensity, just a milquetoast.

That was just his 2nd touchdown in 12+ quarters. With the starters. That is unacceptable.

Rock Chalk
09-13-2009, 01:19 PM
Defense did a great job. I'll give Nolan and those guys props. McD's offense was **** and so was Orton. That they got saved by a miracle doesn't change that. If anything, YOU should be eating crow. I'm glad we're 1-0, but it took an act of God to save us from McD's incompetence on offense.

8 drops by the WRs and two HORRENDOUS penalties on our second to last drive.

The offense was in a funk but NOT ALL OF THAT IS ON ORTON for CHrist sakes.

We had that god damn game won if not for the ****ing penalties but all you people bitch about is how Orton takes the sack and nevermind the fact that Marshall missed a bomb RIGHT THROUGH HIS ****ING hands that would easily put us in scoring range again.

But whatever, you assholes are going to blame Orton for everything and complain even when we win. We were lucky, but we should have had that game won ANYWAY.

Rigs11
09-13-2009, 01:19 PM
Jesus Christ. Do none of you remember Plummer?

Plummer couldn't even throw as well as Orton unless he was on a bootleg. We still won with him. Quite a bit actually.

Yeah we downgraded from Cutler. Nobody is denying that. But ****. We can still win ball games. Orton would be looking a hell of a lot better if the O-line would cut the bad penalties and the recievers would hold on to the ****ing ball. The offense is still getting comfortable with the play book. What the **** do you expect?

tHey want to have a qb that they can idolize. Wins not important

BroncoBuff
09-13-2009, 01:20 PM
Not quite. :wiggle:

no fair making fun of old posts before the miracle ......

Rudeboy
09-13-2009, 01:20 PM
Jesus Christ. Do none of you remember Plummer?

Plummer couldn't even throw as well as Orton unless he was on a bootleg. We still won with him. Quite a bit actually.

Yeah we downgraded from Cutler. Nobody is denying that. But ****. We can still win ball games. Orton would be looking a hell of a lot better if the O-line would cut the bad penalties and the recievers would hold on to the ****ing ball. The offense is still getting comfortable with the play book. What the **** do you expect?

Man I hear yeah and I completly understand that dropped passes and all these holding penalties are screwing us over. But I cant help but notice how Orton stares people down (so did Cutler though) but he just doesnt have the velocity to still get it in there. He also makes some questionable moves like the left handed pick and taking that sack on 3 and 16...

But im going to stand behind the man because I really want to him win, but he does make it kinda difficult at times. It doesnt help that it appears we totally scrapped the zone blocking scheme and cannot run the freaking football anymore. Orton could have really used that.

snowspot66
09-13-2009, 01:21 PM
I still have nightmares when I think of Plummer dropping back in the pocket.

McDman
09-13-2009, 01:21 PM
Yeah, we wanted to grab a mediocre QB like Orton!


Orton was a douchebag in Chicago and nobody here took him seriously then. The only reason why people here switched off their brain and hoped against hope was that he was wearing orange and blue.

Let's see how long that delusion lasts.

My point was people actually hoping for him to fail. You guys are the douche bags for actually wanting our qb to do poorly.

zdoor
09-13-2009, 01:21 PM
I am happy! that was an amazing finish. My only point is I don't like Orton and think he sucks. Hopefully I am VERY wrong. This game did nothing to change my opinion of the team. Love the D. Like the RB's. Think McD can develop into a good coach if he can learn to handle players. But Orton sucks! I'd rather watch Simms or the rookie. This game did nothing to change my mind. Again. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Still happy with the win and Big props to the D and Stokely for a play that will live forever...

snowspot66
09-13-2009, 01:22 PM
Man I hear yeah and I completly understand that dropped passes and all these holding penalties are screwing us over. But I cant help but notice how Orton stares people down (so did Cutler though) but he just doesnt have the velocity to still get it in there. He also makes some questionable moves like the left handed pick and taking that sack on 3 and 16...

But im going to stand behind the man because I really want to him win, but he does make it kinda difficult at times. It doesnt help that it appears we totally scrapped the zone blocking scheme and cannot run the freaking football anymore. Orton could have really used that.

When we start giving the ball to Hillis more that will come around. We've got the line. We've got the backs. We just need them to put it all together.

zdoor
09-13-2009, 01:23 PM
8 drops by the WRs and two HORRENDOUS penalties on our second to last drive.

The offense was in a funk but NOT ALL OF THAT IS ON ORTON for CHrist sakes.

We had that god damn game won if not for the ****ing penalties but all you people b**** about is how Orton takes the sack and nevermind the fact that Marshall missed a bomb RIGHT THROUGH HIS ****ING hands that would easily put us in scoring range again.

But whatever, you a-holes are going to blame Orton for everything and complain even when we win. We were lucky, but we should have had that game won ANYWAY.



Agree with that. Orton was not the only player on O who played bad.

zdoor
09-13-2009, 01:26 PM
tHey want to have a qb that they can idolize. Wins not important

Not true. Wins mean more than QB's. To me at least.

bfoflcommish
09-13-2009, 01:27 PM
That was just Orton's SECOND touchdown in 12 quarters.

Unacceptable.


i think you mean to say 1 td in 4 qtrs because preseason doesnt count!

Muddled
09-13-2009, 01:28 PM
17/28, 243 yds, 1 TD, 0 int.

Looks pretty good to me :-D

On a serious note, Orton looked pretty bad, but hey, he hung in there and battled through it and did not commit any turnovers, that with a bad finger and receivers dropping balls left and right. I'll stick with him, 'cause he's all we've got.

Oh and, had this been Cutler, I suspect he just might've been moaning left and right about the dropped passes and thrown 3 dumb ints trying to do too much. To simplify things, I'd much rather be 3-0 with 3 ugly Orton wins than 2-1 with Cutler with 2 picture perfect blowout victories and a dumb loss.
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(off we go to the Cutler had no D debate :-D)

GreatBronco16
09-13-2009, 01:29 PM
So how does last years team fair in that game today?

Cutler throws for 300 yards a couple TDs, but the defense gives up more points.

But somehow, all the people bitching about Orton would be much happier with a loss and Cutler putting up nice stats.

bfoflcommish
09-13-2009, 01:30 PM
8 drops by the WRs and two HORRENDOUS penalties on our second to last drive.

The offense was in a funk but NOT ALL OF THAT IS ON ORTON for CHrist sakes.

We had that god damn game won if not for the ****ing penalties but all you people b**** about is how Orton takes the sack and nevermind the fact that Marshall missed a bomb RIGHT THROUGH HIS ****ING hands that would easily put us in scoring range again.

But whatever, you a-holes are going to blame Orton for everything and complain even when we win. We were lucky, but we should have had that game won ANYWAY.

exactly, but marshall dropped it so blame Orton. Noone of these haters are owning up to Orton throwin it right to marshall deeep downfield like they all said he couldnt do....but hey always take just what supports your arguement right.

good post rock chalk

bfoflcommish
09-13-2009, 01:32 PM
So how does last years team fair in that game today?

Cutler throws for 300 yards a couple TDs, but the defense gives up more points.

But somehow, all the people b****ing about Orton would be much happier with a loss and Cutler putting up nice stats.


again good post. benson would have ran around the field at will ocho cinco double what he did but again ortons fault!

Gcver2ver3
09-13-2009, 01:32 PM
you guys are idiots...

Orton DID NOT TURN THE BALL OVER....

That was the key...now he did miss a couple guys but for the most part, the defenders were sitting on the short routes and Orton was smart not to force the ball...if Cutler had played, he would've forced the ball when receivers weren't getting open...

turnover free football helped us have a chance...

oh and the dropped balls certainly didn't help him either...

Beantown Bronco
09-13-2009, 01:33 PM
But somehow, all the people b****ing about Orton would be much happier with a loss and Cutler putting up nice stats.

How many times do the Cutler haters have to say this before even they start to believe it? Calling it an idiotic belief is being kind.

Popcorn Sutton
09-13-2009, 01:36 PM
8 drops by the WRs and two HORRENDOUS penalties on our second to last drive.

The offense was in a funk but NOT ALL OF THAT IS ON ORTON for CHrist sakes.

We had that god damn game won if not for the ****ing penalties but all you people b**** about is how Orton takes the sack and nevermind the fact that Marshall missed a bomb RIGHT THROUGH HIS ****ING hands that would easily put us in scoring range again.

But whatever, you a-holes are going to blame Orton for everything and complain even when we win. We were lucky, but we should have had that game won ANYWAY.

Rock, it's going to be like this all year so you'll probably want to put on the armor now. Every little thing will be scrutinized.

The bottom line for today is the entire offense looked bad but Orton absolutely BLEW that 3rd down play taking a sack. That had nothing to do with athletic ability. It was simply a matter of knowing the situation and playing with awareness. Let's see, we're up by 6 points and we are on the 35 yard line at the very edge of field goal range. We need a field goal at the very least to ice this game. If the pressure comes I need to get rid of the ball at ALL costs. Terrible play and he deserves criticism for being a bonehead. He is very very lucky it didn't cost the Broncos the game. It was an absolute stroke of luck.

Hamilton had a bad game. Marshall, Stokes and Gaffney looked off today. The situation with the Orton sack should have never happened if it weren't for two consecutive penalties. It doesn't diminish what a boneheaded play it was but damn. This offense needs to clean up their act.

Props to the D today. This is a very good offense when Palmer is under center. NO way in hell the defense last year holds Cincy/Palmer to 7 points. Props to Fonzie as well... he played very well for his first game.

I am all about supporting Orton simply because he is our "current" QB but, damn it's not easy with boneheaded plays like that.

zdoor
09-13-2009, 01:37 PM
How many times do the Cutler haters have to say this before even they start to believe it? Calling it an idiotic belief is being kind.

Agee. How does not liking Orton equate to preffering a loss and a QB with better stats. Thats a dumb leap...

Beantown Bronco
09-13-2009, 01:38 PM
you guys are idiots...

Orton DID NOT TURN THE BALL OVER....

That was the key....

Sorry if my standards for the QB of our team is a TAD higher than that.

GreatBronco16
09-13-2009, 01:38 PM
How many times do the Cutler haters have to say this before even they start to believe it? Calling it an idiotic belief is being kind.

Don't hate me because it is true.

bfoflcommish
09-13-2009, 01:40 PM
Rock, it's going to be like this all year so you'll probably want to put on the armor now. Every little thing will be scrutinized.

The bottom line for today is the entire offense looked bad but Orton absolutely BLEW that 3rd down play taking a sack. That had nothing to do with athletic ability. It was simply a matter of knowing the situation and playing with awareness. Let's see, we're up by 6 points and we are on the 35 yard line at the very edge of field goal range. We need a field goal at the very least to ice this game. If the pressure comes I need to get rid of the ball at ALL costs. Terrible play and he deserves criticism for being a bonehead. He is very very lucky it didn't cost the Broncos the game. It was an absolute stroke of luck.

Hamilton had a bad game. Marshall, Stokes and Gaffney looked off today. The situation with the Orton sack should have never happened if it weren't for two consecutive penalties. It doesn't diminish what a boneheaded play it was but damn. This offense needs to clean up their act.

Props to the D today. This is a very good offense when Palmer is under center. NO way in hell the defense last year holds Cincy/Palmer to 7 points. Props to Fonzie as well... he played very well for his first game.

I am all about supporting Orton simply because he is our "current" QB but, damn it's not easy with boneheaded plays like that.


YET......when he was perfectly aware of the situation tried to make a play and threw a left handed int that was one of the best scenarios in that play he got scrutinized to no end even though it didnt hurt the team at all and he didnt take the sdack like he shouldnt have. Here he takes the sack, doesnt throw an int and now it's the sole reason we almost lose the game.....wow

Gcver2ver3
09-13-2009, 01:46 PM
Sorry if my standards for the QB of our team is a TAD higher than that.

my standard is winning...

and he is 22-12 as a starter...

so i'm not sure where you're going with that one...

CEH
09-13-2009, 01:47 PM
you guys are idiots...

Orton DID NOT TURN THE BALL OVER....



Sorry but not being aware and taking a sack is just like a turnover.
It took away a scoring opporuntity.

He got taken to the woodshed by McD and rightly so

Gcver2ver3
09-13-2009, 01:50 PM
Sorry but not being aware and taking a sack is just like a turnover.
It took away a scoring opporuntity.

He got taken to the woodshed by McD and rightly so

no...the holding penalty took us out of scoring position...

the guy isn't mobile...he made sure to not turn the ball over when the o-line got beat (again)...

you guys are WAY to critical of the guy...

Popcorn Sutton
09-13-2009, 01:52 PM
YET......when he was perfectly aware of the situation tried to make a play and threw a left handed int that was one of the best scenarios in that play he got scrutinized to no end even though it didnt hurt the team at all and he didnt take the sdack like he shouldnt have. Here he takes the sack, doesnt throw an int and now it's the sole reason we almost lose the game.....wow

Two completely different situations. In the pre-season situation he should have taken a sack and he knows that. I don't need to rehash my earlier post on today's debacle. McDaniels clearly agrees, you don't take a sack on that play period. You go into the play knowing that if the pressure comes you get rid of the ball. No excuses. Orton's issues right now are more mental than physical. He's making boneheaded mental mistakes. He is DAMN lucky he didn't lose the game on that play. I hope he can straighten it out and stop pressing so much.

BTW, commish. I'm not a "basher." I've been a supporter of Orton all along. I don't care if it was Peyton Manning... that was a boneheaded play.

Br0nc0Buster
09-13-2009, 01:52 PM
Sorry but not being aware and taking a sack is just like a turnover.
It took away a scoring opporuntity.

He got taken to the woodshed by McD and rightly so

Josh deserves as much blame if not more for that

Cinci had been blitzing on 3rd down all game, you were not going to be able to do a 5 step drop and throw for a first down
Josh should of run a screen, draw, or something that is safe and unlikely to result in a turnover or lost yardage

It was a poor decision by Kyle, but a stupid playcall by Josh

Williams
09-13-2009, 01:52 PM
Wow. What a fail of a thread. Orton may not have had all star stats, but he did everything in his power to help the Broncos win today. If you're gonna blame anyone for a weak passing attack... blame the receivers for dropping good passes. Orton was out there throwing perfect spirals on the money with a stitched up index finger on his throwing hand (down the field, I might add). I'm not even a big Orton supporter... but holy baby Jesus there are some football morons that post on this site.

Face it mopey crew... Orton = winner, Cutler = loser. If you're a Bronco fan, cheer for the Broncos for God's sake.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-13-2009, 01:54 PM
Orton couldn't throw the ball downfield before the injury.... he's completely neutered at this point. You can't watch that game and come away thinking that Orton is the best option we have. He's married to McD and is going to play come hell or high water.

Williams
09-13-2009, 01:55 PM
Orton couldn't throw the ball downfield before the injury.... he's completely neutered at this point. You can't watch that game and come away thinking that Orton is the best option we have. He's married to McD and is going to play come hell or high water.

You must've missed the game. Try to catch the replay... it was pretty good.

Jason in LA
09-13-2009, 01:55 PM
my standard is winning...

and he is 22-12 as a starter...

so i'm not sure where you're going with that one...

That stat, along with Cutler's, is proof that the QB gets too much credit for winning, and too much blame for losing.

The best we can say about Orton today is that he didn't turn the ball over. That's pretty much the only positive thing. Because he certainly didn't move the offense well. Only three trips across the 50, and no trips into the redzone. He wasn't effective at all.

Popcorn Sutton
09-13-2009, 01:57 PM
Orton couldn't throw the ball downfield before the injury....

Yay for ignorance. :thumbsup:

I keep posting this video because comments like these just blow my mind.

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Dr. Broncenstein
09-13-2009, 01:59 PM
You must've missed the game. Try to catch the replay... it was pretty good.

I saw the game just fine, junior... I saw where Orton couldn't complete the wide open deep-out because he couldn't get the ball there in time. I saw where Orton took a completely unnecessary sack that took us out of field goal range, givng the ball to Cincy with a 6 point lead. The injured Orton is a neutered version of Brian Griese. I saw it just fine.

errand
09-13-2009, 02:01 PM
I told you earlier, if the Broncos win ugly...it still wouldn't matter...they have to win in style. But, we hadn't been winning now have we? No, we've won 24 games the last 3 seasons...and we've won only 17 of 37 since we benched another QB that while he didn't throw for 300 yards and 3 TD's he also didn't lose 6 out of every 10 games either.

to those type of fans, well this is their belief -

Broncos win, our QB doesn't set world afire = ****

Broncos lose 54% but Qb has rocket arm and throws for tons of yards in losses = best team all-time

Broncos football is wasted on fans like you.

Hamrob
09-13-2009, 02:05 PM
How anyone can defend Orton's play is beyond me. He has a noodle arm at best. He continuously laid his receivers out over the middle and has trouble throwing the out routes. Even that pass to Marshall was a rainbow that Marshall had to slow down and wait on.

There is no way we win games with Orton playing that poorly. It's the first game, he's been hurt, they were on the road and he didn't turn the ball over. I'll give him that. But, if he doesn't start to improve quickly we need to go with Simms.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-13-2009, 02:05 PM
I told you earlier, if the Broncos win ugly...it still wouldn't matter...they have to win in style. But, we hadn't been winning now have we? No, we've won 24 games the last 3 seasons...and we've won only 17 of 37 since we benched another QB that while he didn't throw for 300 yards and 3 TD's he also didn't lose 6 out of every 10 games either.

to those type of fans, well this is their belief -

Broncos win, our QB doesn't set world afire = ****

Broncos lose 54% but Qb has rocket arm and throws for tons of yards in losses = best team all-time

Broncos football is wasted on fans like you.

No... Jay Cutler with this defense equals an easy win on the road. Predictable and reproducable. How hard is that to understand?

Mr.Meanie
09-13-2009, 02:06 PM
Seriously, you guys need to settle down about Orton. He didn't turn the ball over, kept us from losing the game. He will get better with time, but he's not going to come out and be Elway his first game.

At least he wasn't Jake Delhomme, which I would bet every one of you Orton haters would trade him for in a heartbeat. 7/17 with 4 ints...lost them the game. Orton kept us in the game until the end and we won on a lucky break.

I'll be annoyed when Orton LOSES us games with stupid decisions and unforced turnovers. His worst decision in the game was not throwing it away in field goal range, but I would rather take the sack and punt than have him TRY to throw it away and get it picked off.

I'll take smart, slow, steady, game managing QBs all day long over Delhomme 4 ints or turning the ball over because the QB is too stupid to just take the sack and live to fight another round.

Props to Orton for not losing us the game, props to the Defense for shutting down the Bungles until their last drive, and props to lady luck for the impossible tip that won us the game.

1-0... haters suck it.

Mr.Meanie
09-13-2009, 02:07 PM
No... Jay Cutler with this defense equals an easy win on the road. Predictable and reproducable. How hard is that to understand?

Jay Cutler also LOST us some games with stupid turnovers in the redzone and forced throws into triple coverage. he won us some games and lost us some games with that attitude.

I'll take steady and not stupid all day long over the Cutler rollercoaster we all road last year.

bfoflcommish
09-13-2009, 02:07 PM
How anyone can defend Orton's play is beyond me. He has a noodle arm at best. He continuously laid his receivers out over the middle and has trouble throwing the out routes. Even that pass to Marshall was a rainbow that Marshall had to slow down and wait on.

There is no way we win games with Orton playing that poorly. It's the first game, he's been hurt, they were on the road and he didn't turn the ball over. I'll give him that. But, if he doesn't start to improve quickly we need to go with Simms.

buuuuuuut we did

fontaine
09-13-2009, 02:08 PM
My point was people actually hoping for him to fail. You guys are the douche bags for actually wanting our qb to do poorly.

Believe me, Orton doesn't need any help in failing, he can do that all be himself.

How many 3rd downs did he convert, how many trips to the red zone did we make?

There's a difference in hoping the guy fails and knowing that he's limited. I don't know where the hell you get that I want him to fail, considering I've pretty much stayed away from posting since spring but go ahead, think what you will.

errand
09-13-2009, 02:09 PM
Agee. How does not liking Orton equate to preffering a loss and a QB with better stats. Thats a dumb leap...

It's not a dumb leap at all zdoor. Having been on this board for a long time I'll tell you straight up that there are alot of people on here including one or two of the mods that would rather see the Broncos lose so they can say they were right...especially when it comes to who our QB is.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-13-2009, 02:09 PM
Jay Cutler also LOST us some games with stupid turnovers in the redzone and forced throws into triple coverage. he won us some games and lost us some games with that attitude.

I'll take steady and not stupid all day long over the Cutler rollercoaster we all road last year.

Jay Cutler never lost a game where his defense held the oppostion to zero points in 58 minutes. Kyle Orton would have, save for the immaculate reception part 2.

errand
09-13-2009, 02:10 PM
Believe me, Orton doesn't need any help in failing, he can do that all be himself.

How many 3rd downs did he convert, how many trips to the red zone did we make?

There's a difference in hoping the guy fails and knowing that he's limited. I don't know where the hell you get that I want him to fail, considering I've pretty much stayed away from posting since spring but go ahead, think what you will.

Hey guys...who cares....

WE WON THE GAME.....WE'RE 1-0

rugbythug
09-13-2009, 02:10 PM
I saw the game just fine, junior... I saw where Orton couldn't complete the wide open deep-out because he couldn't get the ball there in time. I saw where Orton took a completely unnecessary sack that took us out of field goal range, givng the ball to Cincy with a 6 point lead. The injured Orton is a neutered version of Brian Griese. I saw it just fine.

At least you are keeping good perspective. So apparently Cutler never had an out knocked down. Look at the break the CB got you can't know if cutler gets it there or not. So other than 2 plays how was Orton? Does he still make you cut on yourself?

Muddled
09-13-2009, 02:12 PM
Jay Cutler never lost a game where his defense held the oppostion to zero points in 58 minutes

Jay Cutler had some to do with that as well though, by his reckless play putting the D in bad positions.

zdoor
09-13-2009, 02:13 PM
I told you earlier, if the Broncos win ugly...it still wouldn't matter...they have to win in style. But, we hadn't been winning now have we? No, we've won 24 games the last 3 seasons...and we've won only 17 of 37 since we benched another QB that while he didn't throw for 300 yards and 3 TD's he also didn't lose 6 out of every 10 games either.

to those type of fans, well this is their belief -

Broncos win, our QB doesn't set world afire = ****

Broncos lose 54% but Qb has rocket arm and throws for tons of yards in losses = best team all-time

Broncos football is wasted on fans like you.

Your lumping to many people together. It's ok to think Orton sucks. I'd prefer any of the other QB's on the roster. The way Orton played we'll be using practice squad Wr's by the end of the year. He nearly got people killed. Could have something to do with why we had so many drops?

TailgateNut
09-13-2009, 02:15 PM
Jay Cutler never lost a game where his defense held the oppostion to zero points in 58 minutes. Kyle Orton would have, save for the immaculate reception part 2.


Maybe not, because of several reasons.

It never happened.
If cutler were here,
shanahan would be here,
and slowik would be here,
and we would have been TOAST against Palmer and the Bungles.

bfoflcommish
09-13-2009, 02:15 PM
Your lumping to many people together. It's ok to think Orton sucks. I'd prefer any of the other QB's on the roster. The way Orton played we'll be using practice squad Wr's by the end of the year. He nearly got people killed. Could have something to do with why we had so many drops?



yeah that wide open hillis drop, the wide ope marshall drop as well as the deep marshall drop where everyone was in air not going for hit sure scared them all.n

oubronco
09-13-2009, 02:15 PM
Wow. What a fail of a thread. Orton may not have had all star stats, but he did everything in his power to help the Broncos win today. If you're gonna blame anyone for a weak passing attack... blame the receivers for dropping good passes. Orton was out there throwing perfect spirals on the money with a stitched up index finger on his throwing hand (down the field, I might add). I'm not even a big Orton supporter... but holy baby Jesus there are some football morons that post on this site.

Face it mopey crew... Orton = winner, Cutler = loser. If you're a Bronco fan, cheer for the Broncos for God's sake.

I'm sorry but I've gotta call BS on this one Orton just about got all the recievers killed and if he could lead a reciever with a pass they would've scored more than 12 pts but hey we won so I'm happy

Williams
09-13-2009, 02:16 PM
How anyone can be negative after that Stokley reception is beyond me. Some of you folks may need to get laid more than Bob.

errand
09-13-2009, 02:17 PM
No... Jay Cutler with this defense equals an easy win on the road. Predictable and reproducable. How hard is that to understand?

So you're saying Jay would be 1-0 today?

Well isn't that what Kyle Orton is with this defense? 1-0 is 1-0 dude....

All we kept hearing from you clowns to debunk Orton's winning pct as an NFL starter was "he had a defense"...

OK, fine he won games because his defense was good....so what makes you think he wouldn't continue to win games if his defense is good?

zdoor
09-13-2009, 02:19 PM
yeah that wide open hillis drop, the wide ope marshall drop as well as the deep marshall drop where everyone was in air not going for hit sure scared them all.n

Whatever. The O played bad as a whole but I don't see how you can make any stretch that Orton had a decent day. He almost got Royal, Marshall and Buck killed on short throws where he or any decent vet QB should have seen the D. I would much rather see Simms or the rookie that watch that. I hope I'm wrong and Orton makes the miracle turnaround.

errand
09-13-2009, 02:19 PM
Maybe not, because of several reasons.

It never happened.
If cutler were here,
shanahan would be here,
and slowik would be here,
and we would have been TOAST against Palmer and the Bungles.

Exactly...people on here forget Jay was already in whine mode because Mike was fired...and that Mike wouldn't have built this defense as it stands today.

Gcver2ver3
09-13-2009, 02:19 PM
That stat, along with Cutler's, is proof that the QB gets too much credit for winning, and too much blame for losing.

The best we can say about Orton today is that he didn't turn the ball over. That's pretty much the only positive thing. Because he certainly didn't move the offense well. Only three trips across the 50, and no trips into the redzone. He wasn't effective at all.

thats a fair level headed post...

i agree 100%...

what i don't agree with is all the ridiculous over the top Orton bashing...

it's his 1st game and he's still trying to gel with Marshal, Moreno, etc...

the offense as a whole stunk it up...not Orton by himself...

if the line blocks better, and opens run lanes better... if the receivers created more separation...if the receivers stopped dropping passes...if McD called a better game...and yes if Orton played a little better, than we would've scored more points no question....

but to put this all on Orton is just plain shortsightedness...

Dr. Broncenstein
09-13-2009, 02:19 PM
Zero points in 58 minutes. There isn't a quarterback in the league except our starter who does anything but win the game handily. Simms and Brandstatter included. Cutler is spilled milk.

fontaine
09-13-2009, 02:19 PM
Hey guys...who cares....

WE WON THE GAME.....WE'RE 1-0

Right, so a player, no matter how mediocre is above criticism and beyond reproach when the team wins.

It's pretty much ok to criticize rookies, crappy DL, hell there have been literally thousands of posts criticizing our entire defense when we were winning all the way to the AFC Championship game, but apparently, it's not cool to criticize crappy play from the QB spot when he plays poorly.

Williams
09-13-2009, 02:21 PM
thats a fair level headed post...

i agree 100%...

what i don't agree with is all the ridiculous over the top Orton bashing...

it's his 1st game and he's still trying to gel with Marshal, Moreno, etc...

the offense as a whole stunk it up...not Orton by himself...

if the line blocks better, and opens run lanes better... if the receivers created more separation...if the receivers stopped dropping passes...if McD called a better game...and yes if Orton played a little better, than we would've scored more points no question....

but to put this all on Orton is just plain shortsightedness...

This.

Jekyll15Hyde
09-13-2009, 02:21 PM
How anyone can defend Orton's play is beyond me. He has a noodle arm at best. He continuously laid his receivers out over the middle and has trouble throwing the out routes. Even that pass to Marshall was a rainbow that Marshall had to slow down and wait on.

There is no way we win games with Orton playing that poorly. It's the first game, he's been hurt, they were on the road and he didn't turn the ball over. I'll give him that. But, if he doesn't start to improve quickly we need to go with Simms.

And finally on page 6, someone actually calls it right.

fontaine
09-13-2009, 02:26 PM
Orton is exactly what he was in Chicago.

A limp arm QB who doesn't actually make anything happen but doesn't make too many stupid mistakes other than take unnecessary sacks.

He'll shy away from throwing the ball longer than 10 yards unless he absolutely has to but at least when he does try and sling it deeper he looks ok.

The only good thing about Orton at this point is that he'll only last a year here, until the offseason when we go looking for a QB that can actually win games rather than play not to lose.

zdoor
09-13-2009, 02:30 PM
Right, so a player, no matter how mediocre is above criticism and beyond reproach when the team wins.

It's pretty much ok to criticize rookies, crappy DL, hell there have been literally thousands of posts criticizing our entire defense when we were winning all the way to the AFC Championship game, but apparently, it's not cool to criticize crappy play from the QB spot when he plays poorly.

Holy crap. Finally a reasonable post. If you criticize QB play your a hater or "not a real fan"? Kudo's and rep to you.

broncofan7
09-13-2009, 02:45 PM
so you're saying jay would be 1-0 today?

Well isn't that what kyle orton is with this defense? 1-0 is 1-0 dude....

All we kept hearing from you clowns to debunk orton's winning pct as an nfl starter was "he had a defense"...

ok, fine he won games because his defense was good....so what makes you think he wouldn't continue to win games if his defense is good?

it took a miracle and none of orton's doing to give us a win today. In fact-his sack deep in the 4th qtr cost us three points and almost cost us this game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mhgaffney
09-13-2009, 03:03 PM
Let's face it -- if we had played a good team today we'd have lost by 10-20 points.

Cincy beat themselves.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-13-2009, 03:10 PM
Let's face it -- if we had played a good team today we'd have lost by 10-20 points.

Cincy beat themselves.

Our defense was stellar. I don't care what team you are playing... holding the opposition to zero points on the road for 58 minutes is amazing... in any league. Our offense is so anemic with the injured Orton that we almost found a way to lose in spite of the best defensive performance this team has seen in years.

1998Eternal
09-13-2009, 03:22 PM
Orton is back-up material at best, Simms and Brandstater have both shown they are more competent quarterbacks. I guess merit means nothing to the bronco higher ups.

Beantown Bronco
09-13-2009, 03:22 PM
my standard is winning...

and he is 22-12 as a starter...

so i'm not sure where you're going with that one...

I'll try it again, slowly this time for those in the cheap seats.

My standards for the QB is higher than "not turning it over" as your standard appears to be from your earlier quote.

My standards for the TEAM (see the difference there) is winning.

Think about it in baseball terms. My standard for the team is winning. If my team wins a game by a score of 10-9, and my starting pitcher gave up 8 earned runs and 2 unearned runs (dropped passes are like errors and penalties here), did the starting pitcher get HIS job done?

broncofan7
09-13-2009, 03:31 PM
How many games will these homers need before they see what others already have--ORTON IS THE 3rd BEST QB on our ROSTER.

BroncoBuff
09-13-2009, 03:42 PM
8 drops by the WRs and two HORRENDOUS penalties on our second to last drive.

The offense was in a funk but NOT ALL OF THAT IS ON ORTON for CHrist sakes.

Defending Orton is a fool's errand right now Alec .... that miracle was just his 2nd TD in 12+ quarters with the starters. No amount of excuses and alibis can change that. You do realize results matter, right?

We can't waste one of the best 10-man starting offenses on a QB that can't operate the machine.

I don't advocate Simms right now, like i said because of this great momentum. But had we started Simms today, we would've won easily.

errand
09-13-2009, 07:37 PM
Right, so a player, no matter how mediocre is above criticism and beyond reproach when the team wins.



You should know I have no problem criticizing any player....

I just find it odd we never saw threads about getting rid of Jay when he'd have a bad game.....and lost. So why have one where your less talented QB has an OK game and wins?

errand
09-13-2009, 07:39 PM
How many games will these homers need before they see what others already have--ORTON IS THE 3rd BEST QB on our ROSTER.

Jay Cutler 8-22 127 and 3 INT's...with a good defense. I'm just saying....

errand
09-13-2009, 07:54 PM
My standards for the TEAM (see the difference there) is winning.



You know Andy Petitte lost a game in which he threw a no-hitter 4-0.john Elway wona Super bowl in which he was 12-23 for less than 130 yards 0 td's and 1 int.....but I'm going to bet you didn't post this bull**** then did you?


If he wins the game...he got the job done.

Kyle Orton's winning pct as an NFL starter is 64.7%

Kyle Orton's winning pct. as Chicago's starting QB is 63.6%

Kyle Orton's winning pct. as the Broncos starting QB is 100.0%

Kyle would have to lose 8 games in a row to tie Jay for career losses as a starter.

Jay Cutler's winning pct as an NFL starter is currently 45.9%

Jay Cutler's winning pct. as Broncos starting QB is 45.9%

I'll update you on his winning pct. as Bears QB in about 30-40 minutes.

Jay would have to win 5 games in a row to tie Kyle for career wins as a starter

If your so-called standard is winning, then why are you on here bitching about a QB that won?

errand
09-13-2009, 07:58 PM
You do realize results matter, right?





you mean like winning the game...is that a result that matters?

errand
09-13-2009, 07:59 PM
How many games will these homers need before they see what others already have--ORTON IS THE 3rd BEST QB on our ROSTER.

Yep...but he's got the best winning pct. as our starting QB vs those 2 "better" QB's.

errand
09-13-2009, 08:00 PM
I guess merit means nothing to the bronco higher ups.

Why should it? Afterall...winning games mean nothing to you idiots.

Beantown Bronco
09-13-2009, 08:15 PM
You know Andy Petitte lost a game in which he threw a no-hitter 4-0.john Elway wona Super bowl in which he was 12-23 for less than 130 yards 0 td's and 1 int.....but I'm going to bet you didn't post this bull**** then did you?

Why would I? I don't belong to any Yanks message boards and OMane didn't exist in 1998.

But I do COMPLETELY subscribe to the belief that a pitcher can "get the job done" in a loss. And I, along with every sane person in the world, can see that Elway played 10x better in SB 33 as he did in 32. Not sure what your point is there.

All I'm doing is pointing out a weak link. If you disagree with that, point out a weaker one. I'll gladly hear an argument along those lines.


If he wins the game...he got the job done.

Every coach in the league disagrees with you. Ask Trent Dilfer, Jake Plummer and Kyle Orton. Organizations couldn't wait to fire these guys who were masters at "winning" in spite of their efforts.

If your so-called standard is winning, then why are you on here b****ing about a QB that won?

Because I'm not insane enough to believe that our defense is going to hold everyone to 7 pts or less this season. Orton has yet to give me ANY indication he can engineer consistent scoring drives.

Taco John
09-13-2009, 08:21 PM
This vibe on this board reminds me of 2002.

Taco John
09-13-2009, 08:23 PM
You know Andy Petitte lost a game in which he threw a no-hitter 4-0.john Elway wona Super bowl in which he was 12-23 for less than 130 yards 0 td's and 1 int.....but I'm going to bet you didn't post this bull**** then did you?


If he wins the game...he got the job done.

Kyle Orton's winning pct as an NFL starter is 64.7%

Kyle Orton's winning pct. as Chicago's starting QB is 63.6%

Kyle Orton's winning pct. as the Broncos starting QB is 100.0%

Kyle would have to lose 8 games in a row to tie Jay for career losses as a starter.

Jay Cutler's winning pct as an NFL starter is currently 45.9%

Jay Cutler's winning pct. as Broncos starting QB is 45.9%

I'll update you on his winning pct. as Bears QB in about 30-40 minutes.

Jay would have to win 5 games in a row to tie Kyle for career wins as a starter

If your so-called standard is winning, then why are you on here b****ing about a QB that won?



In fairness, you pouted after every win that this team suffered under Griese for virtually identical reasons that people are complaining about Orton.

SoDak Bronco
09-13-2009, 08:25 PM
herm edwards says...you play to win the game.

Popcorn Sutton
09-14-2009, 11:50 AM
it took a miracle and none of orton's doing to give us a win today. In fact-his sack deep in the 4th qtr cost us three points and almost cost us this game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Then the penalty on the play before almost cost us the game as well but don't lose focus. Keep that channel tuned to Orton Tunnelvision.

Wes Mantooth
09-14-2009, 12:09 PM
a little tidbit from the ESPN game notes. Have more respect for Orton now than ever:

Orton had stitches removed from his index finger after the game and hopes to be able to play next week without wearing a glove. He finished 17 for 28 for 243 yards. ... Marshall, who was suspended during training camp for grousing about not getting traded, had a team-high seven catches for 27 yards. He dropped the first ball thrown to him. ... Broncos coaches are 9-0 in their regular season debuts, not counting interim coaches. ... Palmer, who missed the last three preseason games with a sprained left ankle, was 21 of 33 for 247 yards. ... A bad snap botched a Bengals field goal attempt. ... Cincinnati ran the wildcat on 4th-and-2 to keep a drive going. ... The crowd of 62,831 was roughly 3,000 less than capacity.

bronco militia
09-14-2009, 12:10 PM
This vibe on this board reminds me of 2002.

it reminds me of 2006.....

broncofan7
09-14-2009, 02:15 PM
Then the penalty on the play before almost cost us the game as well but don't lose focus. Keep that channel tuned to Orton Tunnelvision.

For the last ****ing time:

1)DESPITE ALL OF THE PENALTIES--WERE WE OR WERE WE NOT IN FG RANGE?

WE WERE!

2)WHAT PLAY IMMEDIATELY PRECEEDED US HAVING TO PUNT THE BALL BACK TO CINCY WITH ONLY A 1 POSSESSION LEAD(6-0)?

ANSWER: ORTON HAVING ZERO GAME AWARENESS (HE IS A VETERAN QB NO?) AND TAKING A SACK WHEN HE ABSO-F U C K I N G-LUTELY COULD NOT HAVE AFFORDED TO TAKE A SACK--AND MCD RIGHTFULLY CHEWED HIS ASS IMMEDIATELY THEREAFTER.

bendog
09-14-2009, 02:17 PM
I'd call him "four fingers" but that's probably his regular drink.

broncofan7
09-14-2009, 02:24 PM
Stop defending this POS you blind homers--it is disgusting.

errand
09-14-2009, 02:28 PM
In fairness, you pouted after every win that this team suffered under Griese for virtually identical reasons that people are complaining about Orton.

Uh, no...you would be wrong. I never pouted about Griese after a win...I gave him his due. I was admittedly critical of him after a loss...but according to you he never had a hand in any of them. It was always someone else's fault, never his. And of course you took the opposite stance when he was kicked to the curb and Jake was brought in.

My b**** about Brian was his obvious lack of leadership skills and his wilting under pressure. I laughed when people like you claimed he was "when given protection the NFL's most efficient QB - bar none"

I never complained about him after a win.

Dagmar
09-14-2009, 02:31 PM
Stop defending this POS you blind homers--it is disgusting.

Stop being a complete and utter prick, it's disgusting.

scorpio
09-14-2009, 02:36 PM
Stop being a complete and utter prick, it's disgusting.

Careful, or he'll assault you with large bold print and lots of exclamation points.

But all he really wants... is a friend.

:(

chrisp
09-14-2009, 03:10 PM
I don't think anyone here can possibly try to say that Orton had a good game, and untill he does come out and have a good game, and throw for some non-deflected touchdowns there will be big question marks over whether or not he is the answer...

....BUT.....

His debut was distinctly LESS horrible than Jake Plummer's in 2003 (also against the Bengals for what that's worth) , and Jake went on to have a reasonable year, which ended with a 91.2 Qb rating. That year Jake made a noticable improvement game-on-game untill he went down with injury

Game one vs the bengals:

12 of 25 for 115 yds 0 TD 3 INTs

Game two vs San D:

9 of 13 for 98 yards 3TDs 0 INTs

Game 3 vs the raiders:

14 of 21 for 197 yards 2 TDs 0 INTs

Game 4 vs Detroit:

25 of 34 for 277 yards 2 TDs 0 INTs


and so on....

Now none of that means that Orton will improve in the same way, but it does at least indicate that it is possible to stink it up in your first game in a new system and then gradually improve to the point where that bad first game is forgotten...

Thing is, what Plummer had then, and Orton does not quite have now, is an absolute juggernaut of a running game. I think its the failure of the entire offense as a whole that's so dispiriting about that game overall, not the failure of one guy. Right now, the best thing for the offense would probably be to go two wide with a tight-end and a fullback and really establish the running game if we can - but that's not the offense that McDaniels wants to run. He wants to make his complex spread offense work, and that might take a few losses and a bit of pain untill it all starts going in the right direction. I don't begrudge him that, in fact I would have zero respect for him if he dumped the plan after one bad game, but it does mean we're in for a bumpy ride.

However, of all the units to be the weak link on the first game i would rather it be the offense. Offenses are all about timing and teamwork and it often takes the player a while to get that down. In the meantime, it looks like we have a solid defense and special teams setup. Now not only does that mean that we have a chance of staying in games where the offense is struggling (and we should by rights be blown out), it also means that McDaniels must have done something right in the overall organisation of the team. he did appoint those coaches after all......

The other thing which is massive, is that the win takes some of the pressure off Orton. He goes into the next game knowing that he doesn't need to be spectacular to come out with a win, he just needs to improve.

I did say previously that I wouldn't be surprised to see us struggle early and not really gel untill the 2nd half of the season. That doesn't mean that Orton is or isn't the answer, just that we won't know yet. It may well be that he's not and someone else has to step in, or it may be that he starts to get things down and the whole thing picks up, it may be that McD has to admit defeat on his system and do somethign to bring the running game more into play - i'm not going to pretend to know for sure after just one game however......

....and that's the painful truth - we won't really be able to judge Orton untill the dust has settled on this season. That's not soon enough for some people, but I said this a long time ago - even halfway through this season we won't really know what kind of team we have yet....