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baja
09-10-2009, 09:46 PM
Anyone?

baja
09-10-2009, 09:46 PM
name them ;D

baja
09-10-2009, 09:55 PM
Here is the 08 roster;

Head Coach: Mike Shanahan

No. Player Pos Ht Wt Born Exp College

1 Brett Kern P 6-3 205 02-17-1986 0 Toledo

5 Matt Prater K 5-10 180 08-10-1984 2 UCF

6 Jay Cutler QB 6-3 233 04-29-1983 3 Vanderbilt

11 Patrick Ramsey QB 6-3 225 02-14-1979 7 Tulane

14 Brandon Stokley WR 5-11 192 06-23-1976 10 Louisiana-Lafayette

19 x-Edell Shepherd WR 6-1 175 05-18-1980 4 San Jose State

19 Eddie Royal WR 5-10 182 05-21-1986 0 Virginia Tech

20 Marlon McCree S 5-11 202 03-17-1977 8 Kentucky

21 Hamza Abdullah S 6-2 216 08-20-1983 4 Washington State

23 Andre Hall RB 5-10 212 08-20-1982 2 South Florida

24 Champ Bailey CB 6-0 192 06-22-1978 10 Georgia

26 Jack Williams CB 5-9 186 03-27-1985 0 Kent State

28 Michael Pittman RB 6-0 225 08-14-1975 11 Fresno State

32 Dre' Bly CB 5-10 185 05-22-1977 10 North Carolina

33 Marquand Manuel S 6-0 213 07-11-1979 7 Florida

35 Selvin Young RB 5-11 215 10-01-1983 2 Texas

37 Calvin Lowry S 5-11 200 02-13-1983 3 Penn State

37 x-Cecil Sapp RB 5-11 229 12-23-1978 6 Colorado State

38 x-Anthony Alridge RB 5-9 185 11-24-1983 0 Houston

41 Karl Paymah CB 6-0 195 11-29-1982 4 Washington State

42 Ryan Torain RB 6-1 225 08-10-1986 0 Arizona State

46 Spencer Larsen RB 6-2 240 03-04-1984 0 Arizona

48 Peyton Hillis RB 6-2 250 01-21-1986 0 Arkansas

50 Ben Hamilton G 6-4 290 08-18-1977 8 Minnesota

51 Jamie Winborn LB 5-11 230 05-14-1979 8 Vanderbilt

52 Louis Green LB 6-3 237 09-23-1979 5 Alcorn State

53 Niko Koutouvides LB 6-2 238 03-25-1981 5 Purdue

55 D.J. Williams LB 6-1 242 07-20-1982 5 Miami (FL)

58 Nate Webster LB 6-0 232 11-29-1977 9 Miami (FL)

59 Wesley Woodyard LB 6-1 212 07-21-1986 0 Kentucky

60 John Engelberger DE 6-4 260 10-18-1976 9 Virginia Tech

62 Casey Wiegmann C 6-2 285 07-20-1973 13 Iowa

63 Dewayne Robertson DT 6-1 317 10-16-1981 6 Kentucky

64 Erik Pears T 6-8 305 06-25-1982 3 Colorado State

65 Dylan Gandy G 6-3 290 03-08-1982 4 Texas Tech

66 Tom Nalen C 6-3 286 05-13-1971 15 Boston College

67 Kory Lichtensteiger C 6-3 395 03-22-1985 0 Bowling Green

73 Chris Kuper G 6-4 302 12-19-1982 3 North Dakota

74 Ryan Harris T 6-5 300 03-11-1985 2 Notre Dame

76 Tyler Polumbus T 6-8 310 04-10-1985 0 Colorado

78 Ryan Clady T 6-6 325 09-06-1986 0 Boise State

79 Marcus Thomas DT 6-3 305 09-23-1985 2 Florida

81 Nate Jackson TE 6-3 235 06-04-1979 6 Menlo

82 Darrell Jackson WR 5-11 210 12-06-1978 9 Florida

83 Mike Leach TE 6-2 240 10-18-1976 9 William & Mary

85 Keary Colbert WR 6-1 205 05-21-1982 5 USC

88 Tony Scheffler TE 6-5 250 02-15-1983 3 Western Michigan

89 Daniel Graham TE 6-3 257 11-16-1978 7 Colorado

90 Kenny Peterson DT 6-3 300 11-21-1978 6 Ohio State

91 Ebenezer Ekuban DE 6-4 275 05-29-1976 10 North Carolina

92 Elvis Dumervil DE 5-11 260 01-19-1984 3 Louisville

93 Nic Clemons DT 6-6 300 02-03-1980 2 Georgia

94 Jarvis Moss DE 6-6 265 08-03-1984 2 Florida

95 Josh Shaw DT 6-2 290 09-07-1979 5 Michigan State

96 Tim Crowder DE 6-4 275 06-30-1985 2 Texas

97 Boss Bailey LB 6-3 235 10-14-1979 6 Georgia

80smith
09-10-2009, 09:57 PM
How many people from the "D" are playing on other teams?

baja
09-10-2009, 10:08 PM
Out of the league;

1 Patrick Ramsey QB ?

19 x-Edell Shepherd WR ?

23 Andre Hall RB

20 Marlon McCree S

21 Hamza Abdullah S

28 Michael Pittman RB

33 Marquand Manuel S

35 Selvin Young RB

37 Calvin Lowry S

37 x-Cecil Sapp RB

38 x-Anthony Alridge RB

42 Ryan Torain RB ?

52 Louis Green LB

53 Niko Koutouvides LB

58 Nate Webster LB ?

60 John Engelberger DE

63 Dewayne Robertson DT

81 Nate Jackson TE

83 Mike Leach TE ?

85 Keary Colbert WR

91 Ebenezer Ekuban DE

97 Boss Bailey LB

baja
09-10-2009, 10:09 PM
That's 22 out of 53 that can't find a job anywhere in the NFL

SoCalBronco
09-10-2009, 10:11 PM
The question incorrectly presumes that the gravamen of the complaint against McD was that we had all these badasses that he shouldn't cut, which he did. No one disagreed about cutting people like Engelberger, Boss Bailey, Nate Jackson etc. People also understood the need to cut various folks that didn't fit in the 3-4 at all.

Nice straw man, though.

BroncoBuff
09-10-2009, 10:12 PM
I was expecting 4-5, maybe 6 guys to get picked up. But I think it's just three so far.

I'm not talking about Dre Bly or the pre-camp cuts, just the cuts from 80 and down. I thought the roster was overstuffed. I still think Calton Powell. Matt McChesney and Chad Jackson will get looks elsewhere, maybeOldenberg, that'd make 6 or 7.

BroncoMan4ever
09-10-2009, 10:12 PM
That's 22 out of 53 that can't find a job anywhere in the NFL

yet McDaniels haters claim he just dumped Shanahan era players because he wanted his own players.

ScottXray
09-10-2009, 10:13 PM
Dre Bly is in SF.

Lichtensteiger got picked up by Minnesota...not sure if they cut him
or put him on the practice squad by now.

Crowder and Polumbus probably will play somewhere.

Who else got picked up after cuts?

BroncoBuff
09-10-2009, 10:14 PM
Polumbus made the team ;D

Disco Man
09-10-2009, 10:15 PM
Leach is in Arizona

baja
09-10-2009, 10:16 PM
The question incorrectly presumes that the gravamen of the complaint against McD was that we had all these badasses that he shouldn't cut, which he did. No one disagreed about cutting people like Engelberger, Boss Bailey, Nate Jackson etc. People also understood the need to cut various folks that didn't fit in the 3-4 at all.

Nice straw man, though.

Speaking of "nice straw man" the were cut not because they couldn't play in the 3 - 4 they can't play <b>anywhere. </b>

You could however make a case for Shanny, the mastermind, how did he win any games with these players/

BroncoBuff
09-10-2009, 10:17 PM
Yeah, Crowder, McChesney, Powell, maybe Oldenburg and Darius Walker.

Lichtensteiger, Lee Robinson and a couple others have been claimed.

SoCalBronco
09-10-2009, 10:20 PM
A bunch of S's and Webster. Are you joking?

I would put Webster and the safeties in the "Engelberger, Nate Jackson, Boss Bailey etc." category. No one was crying for these guys when they were cut (in fact, when Engelberger was cut, all the citizens of Burbank, California were treated to free drinks and appetizers by Popps). That's not why people dislike McD. This is a non-issue. This isn't what has aroused the ire of many fans. There weren't flamethreads when these guys were cut. Like I said, its not the gravamen of the complaint, so I don't see why this thread is here, other than as a pretext to praise McD.

wolf754life
09-10-2009, 10:21 PM
shannahan could not develop nfl defensive talent, he can not evaluate nfl defensive personnel, unless he gets a gm he will repeat his failures in his next gig. he needs a strong gm, then he will be a force.

good riddance mansionohan!

baja
09-10-2009, 10:24 PM
I would put Webster and the safeties in the "Engelberger, Nate Jackson, Boss Bailey etc." category. No one was crying for these guys when they were cut (in fact, when Engelberger was cut, all the citizens of Burbank, California were treated to free drinks and appetizers by Popps). That's not why people dislike McD. This is a non-issue. This isn't what has aroused the ire of many fans. There weren't flamethreads when these guys were cut. Like I said, its not the gravamen of the complaint, so I don't see why this thread is here, other than as a pretext to praise McD.

Maybe it's to point out to you Shanny nut swingers that maybe he was fired with good reason, ya think...

BroncoBuff
09-10-2009, 10:28 PM
Maybe it's to point out to you Shanny nut swingers that maybe he was fired with good reason, ya think...

Popps, what are you doing using baja's account?

Archer81
09-10-2009, 10:28 PM
Hmm...Ramsey was in TN...Young in Houston...Martinez in Houston...Leach in Arizona...Paymah is in MN...Bell in NO...uhh...


:Broncos:

Hogan11
09-10-2009, 10:29 PM
Out of the league;
1 Patrick Ramsey QB ?


Ramsey holds a clip board and spit bucket as the 3rd QB for the Titans

ScottXray
09-10-2009, 10:29 PM
Polumbus made the team ;D

OOps .. meant Powell

baja
09-10-2009, 10:32 PM
Ramsey holds a clip board and spit bucket as the 3rd QB for the Titans

Thanks wasn't sure that is why the ?

baja
09-10-2009, 10:34 PM
Hmm...Ramsey was in TN...Young in Houston...Martinez in Houston...Leach in Arizona...Paymah is in MN...Bell in NO...uhh...


:Broncos:

The first list is the 2008 roster. You know that right?

Hogan11
09-10-2009, 10:35 PM
Thanks wasn't sure that is why the ?

No prob. I was equally amazed another team not only signed him but actually kept him on a roster. Miracles never cease.

baja
09-10-2009, 10:37 PM
No prob. I was equally amazed another team not only signed him but actually kept him on a roster. Miracles never cease.

Especially given he's a vet and not a prospect to bring along

Clockwork Orange
09-10-2009, 11:07 PM
Maybe it's to point out to you Shanny nut swingers that maybe he was fired with good reason, ya think...

Who exactly is arguing that Shanahan should still be here? Does this make you McDaniels nut swingers feel better about yourselves or something?

Stick to taking shots at Cutler and telling us all why you're a better fan than the rest of us because you're predicting a ten win season and we're not. At least that's semi-relevant.

OCBronco
09-10-2009, 11:40 PM
Especially given he's a vet and not a prospect to bring along

Heimerdinger is the OC in Ten., that's why. That, and who really trusts VY to not F things up?

BroncoMan4ever
09-11-2009, 12:41 AM
Who exactly is arguing that Shanahan should still be here? Does this make you McDaniels nut swingers feel better about yourselves or something?

Stick to taking shots at Cutler and telling us all why you're a better fan than the rest of us because you're predicting a ten win season and we're not. At least that's semi-relevant.

i am by no means a McDaniels nut swinger, and i love Mike and Cutler when they were here, and in Cutler's case when he wasn't acting like a 4 year old girl. in fact looking at the sheer number of losers that were dumped that no other team will even work out, speaks volumes to how good of a coach Mike was, considering he was able to lead that crapfest to a .500 record.

i just feel that Mike had run his course in Denver, and Jay just wasn't mentally strong enough to take coaching from someone who wouldn't just hand everything to him.

also the reason i predict 10 wins for us, is we have upgraded the entire team. Defense, ST, offense(even with the loss of Cutler) just by addressing the running game and getting the offense a true leader that the players like and more experience from our young guys makes this team better than the teams of the last 3 years. and if we could go .500 over the last 3 years with the amount of garbage we had, we should be able to go at least 2 games better with improvements over the entire team

BroncoBuff
09-11-2009, 12:46 AM
Who exactly is arguing that Shanahan should still be here? Does this make you McDaniels nut swingers feel better about yourselves or something?

Stick to taking shots at Cutler and telling us all why you're a better fan than the rest of us because you're predicting a ten win season and we're not. At least that's semi-relevant.

:~ohyah!:

uplink
09-11-2009, 03:20 AM
Related: Though he was a Shanny cut, Foxworth is starting at CB for the Ravens and was given a big contract. On a defense like that with that guy we should have drafted at safety, Foxy will has a good shot at a good NFL career.


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rastaman
09-11-2009, 05:11 AM
shannahan could not develop nfl defensive talent, he can not evaluate nfl defensive personnel, unless he gets a gm he will repeat his failures in his next gig. he needs a strong gm, then he will be a force.

good riddance mansionohan!

Couldn't agree more. Shanahan has shown he's willing to learn more about defenses this off sseason by visiting teams who have the top defensses.

I might add that Pat Bowlen may want to get off his AZZ in the next few years and spend sometime with NFL owners like the "Rooneys" and try and learn how to become a more insightfull and visionary owner as well. Bowlen has gotten stale in the owner ship department IMHO. Owners can't rest on their past successes either.

rastaman
09-11-2009, 05:16 AM
i am by no means a McDaniels nut swinger, and i love Mike and Cutler when they were here, and in Cutler's case when he wasn't acting like a 4 year old girl. in fact looking at the sheer number of losers that were dumped that no other team will even work out, speaks volumes to how good of a coach Mike was, considering he was able to lead that crapfest to a .500 record.

i just feel that Mike had run his course in Denver, and Jay just wasn't mentally strong enough to take coaching from someone who wouldn't just hand everything to him.

also the reason i predict 10 wins for us, is we have upgraded the entire team. Defense, ST, offense(even with the loss of Cutler) just by addressing the running game and getting the offense a true leader that the players like and more experience from our young guys makes this team better than the teams of the last 3 years. and if we could go .500 over the last 3 years with the amount of garbage we had, we should be able to go at least 2 games better with improvements over the entire team

You might be a little too optimistic for 10 wins in 2009. I can possible see 10 wins from McD by 2011 or 2012. I see 3-5 wins in 09 and 6-8 wins in 2010.

Atwater His Ass
09-11-2009, 05:30 AM
How anyone can realisticaly expect this team to compete with all the turnover and flux happening in this organization is beyond me.

s0phr0syne
09-11-2009, 05:40 AM
Who picked up Lee Robinson, I couldn't find it with the googles?

baja
09-11-2009, 06:18 AM
Who exactly is arguing that Shanahan should still be here? Does this make you McDaniels nut swingers feel better about yourselves or something?

Stick to taking shots at Cutler and telling us all why you're a better fan than the rest of us because you're predicting a ten win season and we're not. At least that's semi-relevant.

You have been gone so I guess you missed the Bowlen you gutless drunk thread and the ten thousand lesser ones lamenting the firing of Shanahan with the normally great poster So Cal leading the pack. He was brutal for a long time. So you see you are stepping into a long running saga.

As for the bad fan thing I am not one of those making those accusations I understand the McD haters feel he is setting the Broncos back with his very poor decisions (in their minds ) and considering that they are so passionate about it how could anyone view them as bad fans.

BTW I don't get your hostility toward me are you still laboring under the false impression I wanted Plummer seriously hurt so Cutler could start?

baja
09-11-2009, 06:21 AM
:~ohyah!:

You are not being fair I have not played the "bad fan" card.

OCBronco
09-11-2009, 08:17 AM
also the reason i predict 10 wins for us, is we have upgraded the entire team. Defense, ST, offense(even with the loss of Cutler) just by addressing the running game and getting the offense a true leader that the players like and more experience from our young guys makes this team better than the teams of the last 3 years. and if we could go .500 over the last 3 years with the amount of garbage we had, we should be able to go at least 2 games better with improvements over the entire team

I see (and appreciate) your reasoning. Those who are predicting a 3 win season are presupposing that every possible thing that could go wrong this season will go wrong. This is unrealistic, of course. Likewise, I think it's unrealistic to expect 10 wins or better, because for that to happen, a lot of things have to go right (e.g., 4 turnovers on D per game, no injuries, etc.).

The team has upgraded its overall talent, and they appear to be much better coached from what I've seen in the preseason. Also, I'm encouraged by what I've seen out of the D, and I think they could move into the middle of the pack by season's end. I also like that they're moving away from finesse football and trying to be more physical and nasty as a team.

That said, you have a new coaching staff, new systems, and lots of new faces. It takes time for all of that to gel, which usually means things are rough in the beginning of the season.

People talk about what a nightmare schedule we have, but we won't quite know that until we get into the season. I can say that while the Cowboys, Giants, Colts and Chargers don't exactly frighten me... the Eagles, Patriots and Steelers are a different story.

Anyway, put me down for 8-8. I think 10 wins or better is possible with this group (especially playing in the AFC west), just not probable.

c_lazy_r
09-11-2009, 08:43 AM
How anyone can realisticaly expect this team to compete with all the turnover and flux happening in this organization is beyond me.



I would be extremely upset if we can't "compete".

Big difference between competing and winning.

Punisher
09-11-2009, 08:45 AM
Out of the league;

1 Patrick Ramsey QB ?

19 x-Edell Shepherd WR ?

23 Andre Hall RB

20 Marlon McCree S

21 Hamza Abdullah S

28 Michael Pittman RB

33 Marquand Manuel S

35 Selvin Young RB

37 Calvin Lowry S

37 x-Cecil Sapp RB

38 x-Anthony Alridge RB

42 Ryan Torain RB ?

52 Louis Green LB

53 Niko Koutouvides LB

58 Nate Webster LB ?

60 John Engelberger DE

63 Dewayne Robertson DT

81 Nate Jackson TE

83 Mike Leach TE ?

85 Keary Colbert WR

91 Ebenezer Ekuban DE

97 Boss Bailey LB

Everybody else that's not in bold letters are just trash and was a waste of money

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-11-2009, 08:45 AM
I would put Webster and the safeties in the "Engelberger, Nate Jackson, Boss Bailey etc." category. No one was crying for these guys when they were cut (in fact, when Engelberger was cut, all the citizens of Burbank, California were treated to free drinks and appetizers by Popps). That's not why people dislike McD. This is a non-issue. This isn't what has aroused the ire of many fans. There weren't flamethreads when these guys were cut. Like I said, its not the gravamen of the complaint, so I don't see why this thread is here, other than as a pretext to praise McD.

Maybe because it's an interesting topic? Not everything has to be McD vs. everyone else. However it speaks loudly about Shanahan's inability to find quality players on the defensive side.

ScottXray
09-11-2009, 08:56 AM
There have been Extremes on BOTH sides of the table so far.

Temperatures have run pretty hot.

Ignore is something I don't use normally , but there are several
posters that lately made it on the list.

Generally, there is REASON for some of the discontent with the new Staff,
and there is also REASON for the Positive outlook that a lot have.

It is a NEW Broncos Team, coach, and philosophy, and people are generally
SCARED about the changes. They don't like it, since it makes them uncomfortable, and afraid that it will result in the Broncos of the sixties returning. Consistently bad.

Whatever happens, I will remain a FAN of the BRONCOS.

Chris
09-11-2009, 10:10 AM
Koutovides plays for the Bucs now FYI. He's not out of the league.

baja
09-11-2009, 01:04 PM
Koutovides plays for the Bucs now FYI. He's not out of the league.


OK Thanks Chris.

maybe someone could update the "Out of the League" Shanahan guys so we can have a clear picture of the poor personal choices Shanny made.

BTW So Cal and others this list speaks highly of Shanahan's ability as a coach and it also speaks to his ability as a GM, something we have been talking about for years.

Tombstone RJ
09-11-2009, 01:07 PM
Out of the league;

1 Patrick Ramsey QB ?

19 x-Edell Shepherd WR ?

23 Andre Hall RB

20 Marlon McCree S

21 Hamza Abdullah S

28 Michael Pittman RB

33 Marquand Manuel S

35 Selvin Young RB

37 Calvin Lowry S

37 x-Cecil Sapp RB

38 x-Anthony Alridge RB

42 Ryan Torain RB ?

52 Louis Green LB

53 Niko Koutouvides LB

58 Nate Webster LB ?

60 John Engelberger DE

63 Dewayne Robertson DT

81 Nate Jackson TE

83 Mike Leach TE ?

85 Keary Colbert WR

91 Ebenezer Ekuban DE

97 Boss Bailey LB

I think both Ramsey and Niko are playing. Niko is a LBer for the Bucs, unless he got cut.

Bronco Boy
09-11-2009, 01:22 PM
Isn't Marquand the starting safety for the Lions?

Durango
09-11-2009, 02:06 PM
You might be a little too optimistic for 10 wins in 2009. I can possible see 10 wins from McD by 2011 or 2012. I see 3-5 wins in 09 and 6-8 wins in 2010.

I'm fairly confident there won't be a 2011 season for McDaniels if there's a progression like that, assuming you could call that progress. I would hope Bowlen would drop the ax without a second thought with that kind of record.

Dedhed
09-11-2009, 02:15 PM
That's 22 out of 53 that can't find a job anywhere in the NFL

Mastermind!

Dedhed
09-11-2009, 02:20 PM
Koutovides plays for the Bucs now FYI. He's not out of the league.

As a 3rd stringer, where we were trying to start him.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-11-2009, 02:29 PM
Couldn't agree more. Shanahan has shown he's willing to learn more about defenses this off sseason by visiting teams who have the top defensses.

I might add that Pat Bowlen may want to get off his AZZ in the next few years and spend sometime with NFL owners like the "Rooneys" and try and learn how to become a more insightfull and visionary owner as well. Bowlen has gotten stale in the owner ship department IMHO. Owners can't rest on their past successes either.

So Shanahan NOW decides he's going to see how a proper defense is built, even though he didn't take the time to do so before he was fired, and that's a sign that he really knew what he was doing all along?

Interesting. Completely nuts. But interesting.

BroncoBuff
09-11-2009, 02:40 PM
You are not being fair I have not played the "bad fan" card.

Not you in particular, it was just the shot Clockwork took applies to guys like tsiguy and Popps.

In my opinion anybody who calls out a guy as "not a fan" is a punk. You're not a punk ;D

baja
09-11-2009, 02:45 PM
Not you in particular, it was just the shot Clockwork took applies to guys like tsiguy and Popps.

In my opinion anybody who calls out a guy as "not a fan" is a punk. You're not a punk ;D

Well I relieved to know that. ;D

BroncoBuff
09-11-2009, 02:54 PM
Well I relieved to know that. ;D

You are a Patriot, however. Or perhaps an "ex-patriot"?

Clockwork Orange
09-11-2009, 02:54 PM
You have been gone so I guess you missed the Bowlen you gutless drunk thread and the ten thousand lesser ones lamenting the firing of Shanahan with the normally great poster So Cal leading the pack. He was brutal for a long time. So you see you are stepping into a long running saga.

As for the bad fan thing I am not one of those making those accusations I understand the McD haters feel he is setting the Broncos back with his very poor decisions (in their minds ) and considering that they are so passionate about it how could anyone view them as bad fans.

BTW I don't get your hostility toward me are you still laboring under the false impression I wanted Plummer seriously hurt so Cutler could start?

Fair enough, but since I've been roaming the halls here again, I haven't seen many (or any, really) pining for the return of Shanahan. That's why I didn't see what the point of this thread was. McDaniels cleaning house on a defense that gave up 448 points last year isn't exactly innovative. That putrid squad needed to be blown up and should have been after the 2007 season.

My fault for the bad fan thing if you're not one of the ones running that tired line out there. That's always been a weak ass move made by people who can't stand to be disagreed with.

I had actually forgotten about the Plummer/Cutler thing until you just brought it up. No, I have no lingering feelings about that whatsoever.

baja
09-11-2009, 02:57 PM
Fair enough, but since I've been roaming the halls here again, I haven't seen many (or any, really) pining for the return of Shanahan. That's why I didn't see what the point of this thread was. McDaniels cleaning house on a defense that gave up 448 points last year isn't exactly innovative. That putrid squad needed to be blown up and should have been after the 2007 season.

My fault for the bad fan thing if you're not one of the ones running that tired line out there. That's always been a weak ass move made by people who can't stand to be disagreed with.

I had actually forgotten about the Plummer/Cutler thing until you just brought it up. No, I have no lingering feelings about that whatsoever.

Thanks for clearing that and I glad you are back we need all the good posters we can get around here. ;D

baja
09-11-2009, 03:00 PM
You are a Patriot, however. Or perhaps an "ex-patriot"?

Well I have been in San Diego for the past 4 months so I guess I'm repatriotated.

cutthemdown
09-11-2009, 03:00 PM
A better graph would show what players are out of the NFL, what players are with another team.

The show what the dropped or gained on depth chart.

I don't know of any Broncos let go that actually will be starting somewhere.

cutthemdown
09-11-2009, 03:04 PM
Lions do have Manuel listed as starting FS.

So ok there is one that managed to get picked up and start for the Lions. Not saying much but it is one.

BroncoBuff
09-11-2009, 03:05 PM
Fair enough, but since I've been roaming the halls here again, I haven't seen many (or any, really) pining for the return of Shanahan. That's why I didn't see what the point of this thread was. McDaniels cleaning house on a defense that gave up 448 points last year isn't exactly innovative. That putrid squad needed to be blown up and should have been after the 2007 season.
Definitely. I'm most interested in the defense this week ... I really think we're in for a wild ride. Things have been so vanilla this preseason, I'm thinking there will be some very unusual and aggressive sets and schemes and blitzes.


My fault for the bad fan thing if you're not one of the ones running that tired line out there. That's always been a weak ass move made by people who can't stand to be disagreed with.
Namely Popps. That line with a side order of angry insults.