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Rulon Velvet Jones
09-09-2009, 02:32 PM
Denver at Cincinnati
When: 1:00 PM ET
Watch: CBS
More scouting reports: Week 1
Scouts Inc. Position Advantage
QB: Cincy
RB: Denver
WR: Cincy
OL: Denver
DL: Cincy
LB: Denver
DB: Denver
ST: Denver
Coach: Cincy

After breaking down film of both teams, Scouts Inc. offers 10 things to watch for in this week's Bengals-Broncos matchup.

1. Denver needs to control the clock as well as the line of scrimmage. Denver is not apt to be a quick strike team this year and will need to pound the ball and sustain long scoring drives in order to be successful. Head coach Josh McDaniels knows that the Bengals can strike quick and will want to keep the ball out of QB Carson Palmer's hands.

2. Expect the Broncos to run a lot of off-tackle plays: Denver has a good stable of powerful ball carriers with Correll Buckhalter and LaMont Jordan toting the ball and can give the defense a change of pace ball carrier in rookie Knowshon Moreno. They will want to attack the Bengals on the perimeter where they can wear down the smaller defensive ends and outside linebackers.

3. Denver will look to prevent the big play: Denver lacks the big play defenders that can pressure the pocket on a consistent basis and will need to provide quality help over the top for their cornerbacks. They may give up their share of short passes but will look to keep at least a couple defenders back deep to prevent Cincinnati's speedy receivers from turning a short pass into a long gain.

4. Look for the Broncos to use a lot of trickery up front: Since the Broncos are apt to struggle when it comes to bringing a lot of heat with their base package, expect them to use a lot of twists and stunts to try and confuse the offensive line for the Bengals. This also allows Denver to blitz their linebackers from different angles which can create mismatches as Cincinnati tries to match up against speed.

5. Look for Denver to flood zones with their multiple receiver sets: Denver will run out of a trips set for most of the game, employing a single back with no lead blocker. But when they try to throw the ball, they will generally flood areas of the field at different levels in order to force the secondary to pick who they want to focus on.

6. Cincinnati will try to get Chad Ochocinco involved early: He is their best threat both for the deep ball as well as underneath routes. If he gets on a roll from the start, he can be very difficult to control. Cincinnati has a relatively pedestrian ground game and will need to move the ball through the air if they want to move the chains on a consistent basis.

7. Expect the Bengals to take some shots downfield: Head coach Marvin Lewis and offensive coordinator Bob Bratkowski want to score early and force Denver into a catch-up game and the best way to do that is to strike with a long ball, or two, looking to both Ochocinco and Chris Henry who both possess the speed to take it all the way once they can get behind the secondary.

8. Cincinnati needs to create turnovers: The Bengals have struggled to prevent long drives by their opponents and will need to find ways to stop the bleeding. One of the best ways to stop a drive is to create a turnover.The secondary will play aggressive coverage and for tacklers to try and strip the ball from the ball carriers in this game.

9. Look for Cincinnati to try and take away Denver's ground game: With all of the changes that have taken place in Denver, the Bengals are going to try and force them to throw the ball in order to create turnovers in the form of interceptions. The Broncos had six interceptions in the preseason, second most in the AFC, and starting QB Kyle Orton has struggled getting used to his receivers and the new system.

10. Matchup to watch: Denver DE Elvis Dumervil vs. Cincinnati LOT Andrew Whitworth: Dumervil led the Broncos in sacks with five last year and this year he will be coming from a more natural position, outside linebacker. This allows defensive coordinator Mike Nolan to move Dumervil around and send him from different angles to make it more difficult to find him. Whitworth needs to contain Dumervil and limit his opportunities to get to Palmer.


Prediction
Denver 20
Cincinnati 21

Rulon Velvet Jones
09-09-2009, 02:34 PM
(FYI - in another matchup, CHI v GB - they give the QB nod to the Packers)

TheReverend
09-09-2009, 02:35 PM
WTF?

I'm no McDaniels fan, but I REFUSE to believe Marv is a better coach.

That's BS man

SoDak Bronco
09-09-2009, 02:39 PM
I am envisioning Champ or Goodmen getting a pick on a long throw early in the game.

Jerry Curl
09-09-2009, 02:44 PM
they have better wrs?

elsid13
09-09-2009, 02:45 PM
WTF?

I'm no McDaniels fan, but I REFUSE to believe Marv is a better coach.

That's BS man

Why not? Marv has experience edge as the head coach and McDaniels is doing this for the very first time ever. Beside folks forget that the Raven Defense is because of Lewis and one time he was the super smart hot coordinator.

errand
09-09-2009, 02:45 PM
(FYI - in another matchup, CHI v GB - they give the QB nod to the Packers)

Aaron Rodgers is playing a system he's been a part of since his rookie year, has proven WR talent and put up decent numbers last season.

Jay Cutler while immensely talented, is learning a new system, has less talented WR's, and a suspect OL.

So it's not hard to see why they'd give the edge at that position to the Packers. But, i doubt if those who still pine for Jay are gonna agree with my take...afterall, if these aren't good enough excuses for Kyle Orton....how could they be good enough for Jay?

TheReverend
09-09-2009, 02:45 PM
they have better wrs?

With Marshall's status in question and how involved he'll be in the offense after missing that much time, I can agree with that.

Ocho and Coles aren't slouches by any means.

Mr.Meanie
09-09-2009, 02:47 PM
I would say Denver has the advantage at WR and Coaching.

Mr. Elway
09-09-2009, 02:57 PM
Not a terrible assessment. If you give the Bengals 3 for home field adv then Scouts Inc is at least respecting the Broncos as a competitor, in a road game after a lot of offseason turmoil. I am glad we don't have Marv as a coach.

I still think we win, and that the Hard Knocks curse continues.

Ambiguous
09-09-2009, 02:57 PM
WTF?

I'm no McDaniels fan, but I REFUSE to believe Marv is a better coach.

That's BS man

This is McD's first ever NFL regular season game, they probably give anyone with more than 1 game of experience the advantage.

Jerry Curl
09-09-2009, 03:14 PM
But yet they favored Caldwell over Del Rio.

PRBronco
09-09-2009, 03:16 PM
Lol we were just given the edge in linebackers. It really is a new season!

elsid13
09-09-2009, 03:19 PM
But yet they favored Caldwell over Del Rio.

no they favored manning over del rio

PRBronco
09-09-2009, 03:22 PM
I was reading that Ochocinco is planning on exploiting "loopholes" he found in the anti twitter rules. I wonder if he's concentrating more on that than on the actual game? That would help :)

extralife
09-09-2009, 03:23 PM
Get over it. What has McD done over the course of the offseason to justify giving him a coaching advantage? If the team is generally perceived to be in turmoil, and is an underdog against a team that won four games last year, that does not reflect well on the rookie coach/gm that blew it up. McD shouldn't get a coaching "edge" over anyone until he proves he knows what he's doing.

Orange_Beard
09-09-2009, 03:25 PM
(FYI - in another matchup, CHI v GB - they give the QB nod to the Packers)

What does that have to do with this game?

broncofan2438
09-09-2009, 03:31 PM
No way do we lose by 1 point. Broncos win in this one

Hulamau
09-09-2009, 04:00 PM
A healthy, motivated and reasonably in sync Marshall along with Royal and Stokes plus our RB and TEs as receivers gives us the edge there. Would be nice to have a healthy Gaffney on tap as well. But Lloyd and McKinley round out a better top to bottom WR corp over all.

Tombstone RJ
09-09-2009, 04:14 PM
All in all, not a bad breakdown. However the writer had to give Cincy some favoritisim in the "positional advantage" part at the beginning of the article because IF the writer actually favored Denver in almost all those categories (coaching and WRs should also favor Denver), how the hell would the writer favor Cincy to win?

To me, this article basically says "I'm picking Cincy because I can't justify picking the Broncos".

Chris
09-09-2009, 04:41 PM
All in all, not a bad breakdown. However the writer had to give Cincy some favoritisim in the "positional advantage" part at the beginning of the article because IF the writer actually favored Denver in almost all those categories (coaching and WRs should also favor Denver), how the hell would the writer favor Cincy to win?

To me, this article basically says "I'm picking Cincy because I can't justify picking the Broncos".

You just took Scouts Inc. to the OK Corrall.

KS Bronco
09-09-2009, 05:02 PM
Why not? Marv has experience edge as the head coach and McDaniels is doing this for the very first time ever. Beside folks forget that the Raven Defense is because of Lewis and one time he was the super smart hot coordinator.

if u want to base a coach on previous coordinator jobs, i'd say mcdaniels gets the edge
but the real question is what has marv done since being head coach?
my nod goes to mcd

cutthemdown
09-09-2009, 05:05 PM
All in all, not a bad breakdown. However the writer had to give Cincy some favoritisim in the "positional advantage" part at the beginning of the article because IF the writer actually favored Denver in almost all those categories (coaching and WRs should also favor Denver), how the hell would the writer favor Cincy to win?

To me, this article basically says "I'm picking Cincy because I can't justify picking the Broncos".


Yeah but you could also say that the QB position being so important has more value then us having better Dbacks.

If your better at QB, and on the dline, that a pretty big advantage.

footstepsfrom#27
09-09-2009, 05:11 PM
Picking the first game of the year is always dicey. Unless you're watcing both teams reguarly, you're likely to be wrong. Even then you might be.

Hamrob
09-09-2009, 05:57 PM
Aaron Rodgers is playing a system he's been a part of since his rookie year, has proven WR talent and put up decent numbers last season.

Jay Cutler while immensely talented, is learning a new system, has less talented WR's, and a suspect OL.

So it's not hard to see why they'd give the edge at that position to the Packers. But, i doubt if those who still pine for Jay are gonna agree with my take...afterall, if these aren't good enough excuses for Kyle Orton....how could they be good enough for Jay?

I agree with your take on CHI vs. GB and the QB's. That's straight on.

Sure, I'll give Orton some slack for the new system...but not the talent he has around him. He (unlike Jay) has better surrounding talent on Offense.

Cutler & Rogers - Equal in talant
Orton & Palmer - Orton's not even close to Palmer

baja
09-09-2009, 06:49 PM
they have better wrs?

i wondered about that call too

errand
09-09-2009, 07:27 PM
I agree with your take on CHI vs. GB and the QB's. That's straight on.

Sure, I'll give Orton some slack for the new system...but not the talent he has around him. He (unlike Jay) has better surrounding talent on Offense.

Cutler & Rogers - Equal in talant
Orton & Palmer - Orton's not even close to Palmer

You'll get no argument from me on that...Orton in the talent dept. is nowhere in the same league as Rodgers, Cutler or Palmer. I was just pointing out how the name of the QB seems to make excuses more believable.

Take the Jake years...some on here said Jake was a mistake of collossal proportions...and a roadblock to our success....and some on here said Jake was OK, it was the defense that was our achilles heel.

Well we got rid of Jake, and replaced him with Cutler....the team's W-L went south. It took changing the QB and two more seasons for everyone on here to realize that the defense was indeed our "roadblock" to success.

UberBroncoMan
09-09-2009, 07:56 PM
Aaron Rodgers is playing a system he's been a part of since his rookie year, has proven WR talent and put up decent numbers last season.

Jay Cutler while immensely talented, is learning a new system, has less talented WR's, and a suspect OL.

So it's not hard to see why they'd give the edge at that position to the Packers. But, i doubt if those who still pine for Jay are gonna agree with my take...afterall, if these aren't good enough excuses for Kyle Orton....how could they be good enough for Jay?

False. He is going right back into a West Coast offense. It's the same damn thing he did with Shanahan, only the Bears like to run the ball big time and obviously some plays will be different. His OL has done a damn good job for him in the Preseason, also one of the WR's is someone he put insane #'s with in college... he also has a stud TE.

Cutler is fine in Chicago with what he has. After FA/Draft next year he'll have all he needs in terms of WR's.

Chris
09-09-2009, 08:21 PM
False. He is going right back into a West Coast offense. It's the same damn thing he did with Shanahan, only the Bears like to run the ball big time and obviously some plays will be different. His OL has done a damn good job for him in the Preseason, also one of the WR's is someone he put insane #'s with in college... he also has a stud TE.

Cutler is fine in Chicago with what he has. After FA/Draft next year he'll have all he needs in terms of WR's.

This seems hugely optimistic. From what Ive read Olsen is his only reliable target. I only watched one game of his during PS (ours) and he was hurried on nearly every play.

cutthemdown
09-09-2009, 08:26 PM
This seems hugely optimistic. From what Ive read Olsen is his only reliable target. I only watched one game of his during PS (ours) and he was hurried on nearly every play.

I agree I thought both Pace and the RT seemed slow. I could see teams really coming after Cutler.

mr007
09-09-2009, 08:42 PM
All in all, not a bad breakdown. However the writer had to give Cincy some favoritisim in the "positional advantage" part at the beginning of the article because IF the writer actually favored Denver in almost all those categories (coaching and WRs should also favor Denver), how the hell would the writer favor Cincy to win?


How do you figure our WRs should favor theirs? Cincy has the best 3 WR set in the league right now with Chad, Coles, and Henry.

TheReverend
09-09-2009, 08:49 PM
How do you figure our WRs should favor theirs? Cincy has the best 3 WR set in the league right now with Chad, Coles, and Henry.

Because we signed Jabar Gaffney, duh.

mr007
09-09-2009, 09:08 PM
i wondered about that call too

You can't be serious =).

Rulon Velvet Jones
09-09-2009, 09:11 PM
How do you figure our WRs should favor theirs? Cincy has the best 3 WR set in the league right now with Chad, Coles, and Henry.

That's debatable. I kinda prefer Fitzgerald, Boldin and Breaston. But that's a discussion for another day.

cutthemdown
09-09-2009, 09:14 PM
How do you figure our WRs should favor theirs? Cincy has the best 3 WR set in the league right now with Chad, Coles, and Henry.

I'd put Marshall ahead of Ocho Cinco now but Marshall may not be 100% yet.

I wouldn't take either coles or Henry over Royal.

So it comes down to is Coles better then Royal

Is Gaffney/Stokley comparable to Henry?

Then of course whose TE are better most times that is thrown is with WR.

I think when it comes to overall players that can be used in passing game Broncos come out ahead.

Honestly its sick amount of talent.

Marshall/Royal/Gaffney/Stokely/Scheffler is a lot of weapons IMO.

Thats not counting Graham and what he can bring. But hes more an add on to the oline.

mr007
09-09-2009, 09:20 PM
That's debatable. I kinda prefer Fitzgerald, Boldin and Breaston. But that's a discussion for another day.

Ahh, true forgot about the Cards.... that's kind of a toss-up. Non-turd wise the Cards definitely take it.

worm
09-09-2009, 09:45 PM
10. Matchup to watch: Denver DE Elvis Dumervil vs. Cincinnati LOT Andrew Whitworth: Dumervil led the Broncos in sacks with five last year and this year he will be coming from a more natural position, outside linebacker. This allows defensive coordinator Mike Nolan to move Dumervil around and send him from different angles to make it more difficult to find him. Whitworth needs to contain Dumervil and limit his opportunities to get to Palmer.


Kinda tough to call outside linebacker a more natural position for Elvis when he has never taken a snap at that position in his entire life.

Broncos4Life
09-10-2009, 03:05 AM
Kinda tough to call outside linebacker a more natural position for Elvis when he has never taken a snap at that position in his entire life.

Yeah. Looked at that and was like, riiiiight. Scouts stink is horrible. I mean how long did it take to put that crap together? They actually pay people to write this garbage.