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Bronco Rob
09-09-2009, 09:53 AM
When DeAngelo Hall(notes) first saw the video, he couldn’t help but feel the pangs of familiarity. The Washington Redskins cornerback saw Brandon Marshall(notes) purposely knocking down passes in practice drills. He watched as the Denver Broncos wideout defiantly kicked the football away rather than handing it to a ball boy. But while the rest of the world clucked a tongue in disgust, Hall could only think to himself, “I know that kind of frustration.”


“I can’t scrutinize him for that, because there was a time when I did some stupid stuff like that, too,” Hall said. “I’ve caught a ball in practice and then punted it, or when the ball boy was coming to get the football, I just threw it. We used to have the river behind our practice facility [in Atlanta] and some of us used to throw balls in the river. I’ve done some of the same stupid stuff. When you’re disgruntled, sometimes it’s hard to keep from doing stupid stuff.”


With Marshall’s situation still tenuous, two players who once wore the black hat for former organizations – Washington’s Hall and Baltimore Ravens running back Willis McGahee(notes) – both have some uncommon insight. Both stood in Marshall’s shoes not that long ago, and both learned three hard lessons:


1. When it comes to the fight of public perception, a player’s reputation will always be left more damaged more than the team’s.


2. Almost always, the most winnable course of action is to put your head down and move forward.


3. If there is more to a broken relationship than meets the eye, time will inevitably drag the truth out.


There may be no bigger example than Hall, who only two years ago was painted as one of the league’s most selfish and combustible talents. This after video, much like the Marshall situation, framed Hall in a very unflattering moment – a sideline screaming match in 2007 with then-Atlanta Falcons coach Bobby Petrino. Looking back, Hall says that, in a way, he still hasn’t fully recovered from that negative moment, which was further compounded by a contract dispute with the Falcons.


Now it’s hard for him to look at Marshall and not wonder if he’s seeing a guy taking the first few steps down that same treacherous road: a fight with a coach, a contract squabble and a career and life that will be drastically altered.


“I saw it first-hand with coach Petrino,” said Hall, who had been penalized three times for 67 yards on the Carolina Panthers’ game-winning drive during that Sept. 23 contest. “Now everyone is telling me after the fact, ‘Hey, you were right.’ Oh yeah? Well, that still cost me $100,000 for blowing up with him on the sideline. That cost me a start. That cost me a place in a city where I had built a life and a relationship with the fan base. And it cost me going through all that stuff in Oakland.”


What hasn’t been told is the aftermath. While Hall is busy repairing his image in Washington, Petrino has moved back to the college ranks, so few care about what really happened in Atlanta. We don’t hear the stories about how absolutely reviled Petrino was by many players, coaches and support staff. We don’t hear about the expletive-laced verbal lashings he delivered to a handful of players, including a few dealt to Hall. Or how one executive witnessed Petrino sneaking out of the practice facility one morning with his briefcase – a stealthy departure that was followed several hours later by his introduction as the head coach of the Arkansas Razorbacks.


Why is any of that important? Because it’s a prime example of why damaged NFL reputations are not always what they seem. The world was left with a nasty video clip of Hall going after Petrino on the sidelines, but never given the context of the weeks and months of building tension that came before it. In that context, it leaves NFL players looking at Marshall, and even the departure of quarterback Jay Cutler(notes), and wondering if there are things going on behind the scenes that have yet to be revealed.


“You can’t comment 100 percent on what Brandon has been going through because everyone doesn’t know the whole extent of the situation yet,” Hall said “People think I blew up on Coach Petrino for nothing. The truth is, that guy hated me from the second I told him I didn’t want to play on offense. I had been practicing on both sides of the ball, and it got to the point where I told him that I just wanted to concentrate on defense. Then his whole attitude toward me changed. But nobody got to see all that. All they saw was me blowing up on him on the sideline. Nobody got to see him calling me a dumb [expletive]. All the stuff he was saying to me, it got to the point where he felt like he could just talk to me and say anything he wanted to.”


Only now does Hall realize that firing back in a public setting was what lost him the battle. And he wonders if Marshall’s practice tantrum might have ended the public debate for him, too. Because if there’s one thing former villains realize, it’s that once the scale tips away from them, it’s nearly impossible to get it back.


“Once people see or hear something negative, they don’t try to see how it could have happened,” McGahee said.


He should know. He went through a very nasty public backlash in his final season with the Buffalo Bills. McGahee had taken some shots at the city’s nightlife and its female contingent in a variety of interviews. But the unforgivable sin came when he suggested that the Bills relocating to Toronto could be a positive thing. McGahee says now that he was only sharing his view on how different the city was than his hometown of Miami, and that he never really meant any disrespect. But he accepts one undeniable truth: once public perception went against him, there was no getting it back.


“They blew it out of proportion and it just went downhill from there,” McGahee said. “People take things and run with it. They took it and ran with it and made it out like I was a bad person.”


And Marshall’s battle with public perception?


“People are going to come down harder on the player,” McGahee said. “People tend to think [players] are selfish.”


Certainly a contingent of the media and public put Marshall in that category. The message emanating from the back channel of Denver’s franchise has been that coach Josh McDaniels and the new staff are cleaning up the disciplinary mistakes of the past regime – that Marshall has needed to be put in check for a long time. And there is the undeniable aspect of money. Specifically, how Marshall wants a contract extension in the neighborhood of the league’s best receivers, and how owner Pat Bowlen is reluctant to give it to him based on Marshall’s past problems off the field.


But however the resolution comes, both Hall and McGahee say their own experiences taught them one incontrovertible fact: He’ll get his shot at salvation one way or another.


“It was a couple games into my last season with the Falcons before I figured out, ‘OK, this just isn’t working,’ ” Hall said. “But I still had to go on with business as usual. I think that Brandon is going to open up his eyes and figure that out. Yeah, the situation might not work and you might not be there much longer, but for the present moment, you’ve got to protect your interests and your family’s interests.”


“A chance at redemption is going to come,” McGahee added. “If you’re a good enough player, regardless of what happens with a team, you’ll get a shot. Like the situation with Michael Vick(notes), he’s going to bounce back from that. It’s just a matter of whether people will ever forgive him.”



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Dagmar
09-09-2009, 10:07 AM
Am I supposed to believe Hall is no longer a complete dick?

loborugger
09-09-2009, 10:14 AM
Am I supposed to believe Hall is no longer a complete dick?

Ya, its pretty hard to suspend disbelief for more than about 30 seconds.

LonghornBronco
09-09-2009, 10:28 AM
I don't think he can learn anything positive from these two losers.

Lolad
09-09-2009, 10:35 AM
Doesnt matter. Marshall needs to put his head down and put up numbers. They'll have the tag him or trade him. He'll get his pay day soon enough

shaun514
09-09-2009, 10:50 AM
Demarcus Ware is in the final year of a contract he's outplayed too. Marshall could learn from him.

baja
09-09-2009, 10:53 AM
I think there is a very good chance that Marshall will play his heart out this season, he will play for his team mates and his future . Time will reveal if McD is a ego manic or a budding great coach that is going about the daunting task of clearing up player problems in the locker room. That is what the bitter fan base is divided about, half think McD is making ego based bad decisions and the other group believes he is returning a winning attitude to the Denver Broncos. I feel strongly that he is doing the later. Time will tell but in the mean time I an glad I can feel excited about the coming season.

Beantown Bronco
09-09-2009, 10:55 AM
Demarcus Ware is in the final year of a contract he's outplayed too.

That's simply amazing to me. Supposedly they were "working on it" back in January and they have yet to even make him a real proposal as far as I can tell.

Popps
09-09-2009, 11:25 AM
“I can’t scrutinize him for that, because there was a time when I did some stupid stuff like that, too,

Ummm.... you just did.

BabyTO
09-09-2009, 01:16 PM
Demarcus Ware is in the final year of a contract he's outplayed too. Marshall could learn from him.
You realize that theres a small gap between a Top 10 pick and a 4th round pick in terms of guaranteed money, annual salary etc? :thanku:

Beantown Bronco
09-09-2009, 01:26 PM
You realize that theres a small gap between a Top 10 pick and a 4th round pick in terms of guaranteed money, annual salary etc? :thanku:

Just to bust your balls, Marshall is going to make 2x what Ware makes this year in salary (obviously guaranteed money already paid out is a different issue, but you did include salary above).....and Ware wasn't a top 10 pick.

BabyTO
09-09-2009, 01:43 PM
Just to bust your balls, Marshall is going to make 2x what Ware makes this year in salary (obviously guaranteed money already paid out is a different issue, but you did include salary above).....and Ware wasn't a top 10 pick.
Just to bust your balls he's going to make that much money because of his performances the past few years. And "twice as much" sounds like a lot, he's gonna make 2 mil. which is a little more than the vet minimum.

BTW Ware was the 11th pick. Whats there to argue? And he already had his payday. He'll get another one very soon. Marshall is still waiting for his first big payday.

Beantown Bronco
09-09-2009, 01:46 PM
Just to bust your balls he's going to make that much money because of his performances the past few years. And "twice as much" sounds like a lot, he's gonna make 2 mil. which is a little more than the vet minimum.

?

And Ware is going to make $1 mil this year. So Marshall is literally making double.

BTW Ware was the 11th pick. Whats there to argue?

I know he was the 11th pick. Hence why I said he wasn't a top 10 pick after you said he was. I was busting your balls over the 1 slot difference.

elsid13
09-09-2009, 02:33 PM
Demarcus Ware is in the final year of a contract he's outplayed too. Marshall could learn from him.

Ware drafted 11th overall and gets first round money and signing bonus, and Marshall drafted 119th overall (in the 4th). Big difference.