The Dawning of Total Republican Control?

[Rohirrim]

Finally, the Right Wing packing of the Supreme Court is about to pay off. Scalia, Roberts et al are about to release the flood waters of corporate donations into our political waters. No holds barred. A money free for all.

Depending on the contours of the decision, sources familiar with the political and legal strategies of unions, major Washington advocacy groups and trade associations expect a deluge of new spending in the 2010 and 2012 elections that likely would most benefit Republicans, since for-profit corporations and their non-profit advocacy groups tend to lean right and have more money at their disposals than unions, which typically support Democrats.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/26843.html

Instead of moving toward less corporate and union influence in our elections, we are poised to completely unleash the floodgates. And before the Rightards try to convince anybody that the unions will also have an open playing field, what we are talking about here is the unlimited influence of money. Before you can make that argument, you have to come up with a union that has the economic clout of Exxon Mobile? Walmart? Goldman Sachs? I thought so.

Celebrate rightards! Looks like pretty soon you'll be able to buy whatever government you want.

Nice knowing you, republic.

[Rohirrim]

“Citizens United wasn’t even asking for this,” said Craig Holman, a lobbyist for Public Citizen, which lobbies for stricter campaign finance rules. “The court on its own initiative decided that it was going to look at a 100 years of precedent in restricting corporate money in politics altogether. That is judicial activism at its worst,” said Holman, invoking a charge more commonly leveled by conservatives against judges seen as advancing liberal social causes.

[rastaman]

Finally, the Right Wing packing of the Supreme Court is about to pay off. Scalia, Roberts et al are about to release the flood waters of corporate donations into our political waters. No holds barred. A money free for all.

Depending on the contours of the decision, sources familiar with the political and legal strategies of unions, major Washington advocacy groups and trade associations expect a deluge of new spending in the 2010 and 2012 elections that likely would most benefit Republicans, since for-profit corporations and their non-profit advocacy groups tend to lean right and have more money at their disposals than unions, which typically support Democrats.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/26843.html

Instead of moving toward less corporate and union influence in our elections, we are poised to completely unleash the floodgates. And before the Rightards try to convince anybody that the unions will also have an open playing field, what we are talking about here is the unlimited influence of money. Before you can make that argument, you have to come up with a union that has the economic clout of Exxon Mobile? Walmart? Goldman Sachs? I thought so.

Celebrate rightards! Looks like pretty soon you'll be able to buy whatever government you want.

Nice knowing you, republic.

Great article. And also Remember Roberts and Alito were appointed by a GW Bush who was illegitmate in the first place b/c the Republican appointed SC Justices installed Bush II in the WH during Gore v Bush.

[tnedator]

Where was your outcry when Acorn, using those tens of millions of tax payer's dollars, was openly campaigning for Obama?

Exactly, it didn't exist, because when dollars, wherever they come from, are used to elect Democrats it's ok, but when they will support GOP candidates, it's the "end of the world as we know it....."

[Garcia Bronco]

You are talking about free speech though. Unions, corporations, and other interests have a right to express themselves.

[Rohirrim]

You are talking about free speech though. Unions, corporations, and other interests have a right to express themselves.

Nope. People have the right to express themselves. Human beings are endowed by their creator with certain, inalienable rights. Not unions, corporations, etc.

[rastaman]

Where was your outcry when Acorn, using those tens of millions of tax payer's dollars, was openly campaigning for Obama?

Exactly, it didn't exist, because when dollars, wherever they come from, are used to elect Democrats it's ok, but when they will support GOP candidates, it's the "end of the world as we know it....."

Where was your out cry when Republican Operatives illegally "Caged" and Purged btwn 6-13 million legal and eligible voters who were overwhelmingly inclined to vote Democrat during the 2008 General election.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=republican+voter+purging&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=republican+voter+caging&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

I challenge you to name a Democrat operation whose sole mission is to cage and purge known Republican voting addresses and precincts with the intent to stop them from voting out right or not allowing their votes to count period!!

Now do you see the evilness and un American behavior of groups representing the GOP will stoop to win Elections at all cost or "By-Any-Means-Necessary"!!!!

[tnedator]

Where was your out cry when Republican Operatives illegally "Caged" and Purged btwn 6-13 million legal and eligible voters who were overwhelmingly inclined to vote Democrat during the 2008 General election.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=republican+voter+purging&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=republican+voter+caging&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

I challenge you to name a Democrat operation whose sole mission is to cage and purge known Republican voting addresses and precincts with the intent to stop them from voting out right or not allowing their votes to count period!!

Now do you see the evilness and un American behavior of groups representing the GOP will stoop to win Elections at all cost or "By-Any-Means-Necessary"!!!!

You claim the GOP eliminated votes, and that is how you justify the voter fraud that Acorn was guilty of? Or, is it just because Acorn's voter fraud was for Obama that makes it ok?

[Rohirrim]

You claim the GOP eliminated votes, and that is how you justify the voter fraud that Acorn was guilty of? Or, is it just because Acorn's voter fraud was for Obama that makes it ok?

The small amount of cases Acorn was actually found guilty of were not "voter fraud" cases. They were "registration fraud" cases. A few idiots collecting signatures from "Micky Mouse" does not mean Mickey cast a ballot.

[Garcia Bronco]

Nope. People have the right to express themselves. Human beings are endowed by their creator with certain, inalienable rights. Not unions, corporations, etc.

Except Corporations and Unions are comprised of Human Beings and the you are quoting the Declaration of Independence. Not the Constitution

[alkemical]

Except Corporations and Unions are comprised of Human Beings and the you are quoting the Declaration of Independence. Not the Constitution

I disagree with you, and agree with Ro~. I just find your position spurious. Nothing personal.

[Rohirrim]

Except Corporations and Unions are comprised of Human Beings and the you are quoting the Declaration of Independence. Not the Constitution

I know what I'm quoting. Isn't that the basic concept document of our government, as in "Why does it exist?" Like I said, I have no problem with individuals spending their money to back their candidates. That's part of free speech. I disagree that corporations or unions or any other collection of whatever, has those same rights. The basic concept of this republic is that rights are the inherent province of the individual.

[tnedator]

The small amount of cases Acorn was actually found guilty of were not "voter fraud" cases. They were "registration fraud" cases. A few idiots collecting signatures from "Micky Mouse" does not mean Mickey cast a ballot.

I'm less worried about having Mickey Mouse on the ballot, and more concerned with when Michael Smith votes five times in five different districts, or when in Ohio when they had the early "register and vote at the same time" program, and Acorn workers were not only registering people, but they were telling reporters that they were telling people to vote for Obama and they were caught on camera, telling homeless and other people to just fill out the form and vote for Obama.

This isn't 'gray area' election fraud, this is blatant, in your face fraud by a 'no-partisan' organization funded with tax dollars.

Again, this however is ok, because it was to the benefit of a liberal.

[Rohirrim]

I'm less worried about having Mickey Mouse on the ballot, and more concerned with when Michael Smith votes five times in five different districts, or when in Ohio when they had the early "register and vote at the same time" program, and Acorn workers were not only registering people, but they were telling reporters that they were telling people to vote for Obama and they were caught on camera, telling homeless and other people to just fill out the form and vote for Obama.

This isn't 'gray area' election fraud, this is blatant, in your face fraud by a 'no-partisan' organization funded with tax dollars.

Again, this however is ok, because it was to the benefit of a liberal.

There are opposing, partisan views on ACORN and it's difficult to get the real facts. Fox, the WSJ, etc. have one take, and MSNBC, et al have a different take. Whatever. Given Obama's margin of victory (almost 7 million votes), nobody can reasonably conclude that ACORN's malfeasance, or lack of same, gave him the victory. It's a moot point and has nothing to do with this thread.

[rastaman]

You claim the GOP eliminated votes, and that is how you justify the voter fraud that Acorn was guilty of? Or, is it just because Acorn's voter fraud was for Obama that makes it ok?

Again, I challenge to show where Democrat backed operatives got together with the sole intent and purpose to "Cage" and "Purge" legal and eligible Republican voters to deny their rights to vote!

There is documented proof that Repupblican funded operatives illegally purged and caged and targeted illegable--legal Democrate voters!

[tnedator]

There are opposing, partisan views on ACORN and it's difficult to get the real facts. Fox, the WSJ, etc. have one take, and MSNBC, et al have a different take. Whatever. Given Obama's margin of victory (almost 7 million votes), nobody can reasonably conclude that ACORN's malfeasance, or lack of same, gave him the victory. It's a moot point and has nothing to do with this thread.

There ultimate success or failure, is a much lesser issue than the fact that they are clearly not a non-partisan group (see video of their national meetings, where they talk about Acorn's goal being to get Obama elected) and they are being funded by tax dollars. They have committed voter fraud, and they are being funded by US tax dollars.

It doesn't really matter what Fox or MSNBC's take is, they have provided indisputable evidence themselves.

[rastaman]

There are opposing, partisan views on ACORN and it's difficult to get the real facts. Fox, the WSJ, etc. have one take, and MSNBC, et al have a different take. Whatever. Given Obama's margin of victory (almost 7 million votes), nobody can reasonably conclude that ACORN's malfeasance, or lack of same, gave him the victory. It's a moot point and has nothing to do with this thread.

Good point. Actually a Thread needs to be started

"ACORN VS REPUBLICAN VOTER PURGING & CAGING"!

Actually the Justice Department needs to investigate both.

[Bob]

Finally, the Right Wing packing of the Supreme Court is about to pay off. Scalia, Roberts et al are about to release the flood waters of corporate donations into our political waters. No holds barred. A money free for all.

Depending on the contours of the decision, sources familiar with the political and legal strategies of unions, major Washington advocacy groups and trade associations expect a deluge of new spending in the 2010 and 2012 elections that likely would most benefit Republicans, since for-profit corporations and their non-profit advocacy groups tend to lean right and have more money at their disposals than unions, which typically support Democrats.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/26843.html

Instead of moving toward less corporate and union influence in our elections, we are poised to completely unleash the floodgates. And before the Rightards try to convince anybody that the unions will also have an open playing field, what we are talking about here is the unlimited influence of money. Before you can make that argument, you have to come up with a union that has the economic clout of Exxon Mobile? Walmart? Goldman Sachs? I thought so.

Celebrate rightards! Looks like pretty soon you'll be able to buy whatever government you want.

Nice knowing you, republic.

Again, small thinking of right and left. The R party is influenced too much by big business, but I see very little difference in the Dem party -- who have the Dems bailed out? Big business -- and who have they let fail -- the little guy, and small business. Both parties are guilty of putting big business before the people -- and until both the left and right fess up, we will continue to be pitted against each other and ingored, while they steal Liberties and $.

[tnedator]

Good point. Actually a Thread needs to be started

"ACORN VS REPUBLICAN VOTER PURGING & CAGING"!

Actually the Justice Department needs to investigate both.

While I agree with virtually nothing you say, I do agree with this -- not the thread, but that the justice department should investigate all allegations of voter fraud.

While we are at it, how about requiring photo ID (and making it available for free to those that can't afford it), so we can get back to one vote per citizen?

[alkemical]

Again, small thinking of right and left. The R party is influenced too much by big business, but I see very little difference in the Dem party -- who have the Dems bailed out? Big business -- and who have they let fail -- the little guy, and small business. Both parties are guilty of putting big business before the people -- and until both the left and right fess up, we will continue to be pitted against each other and ingored, while they steal Liberties and $.


The Right's view of government and the Left's view of big business are both correct.

Robert Anton Wilson



It was true at one time, and more or less for us "peons", it is still very true. But for the puppeteers - it's been obsolete for sometime now.

[Rohirrim]

I'm surprised that none of the Righties have come in here and said, "Yippee!" ;D

[Garcia Bronco]

I know what I'm quoting. Isn't that the basic concept document of our government, as in "Why does it exist?" Like I said, I have no problem with individuals spending their money to back their candidates. That's part of free speech. I disagree that corporations or unions or any other collection of whatever, has those same rights. The basic concept of this republic is that rights are the inherent province of the individual.

People have the right to express themselves as a group, combine wealth, and petition their government for a redress of grievances. It's the same principle and that is in the Constitution.

[tnedator]

I'm surprised that none of the Righties have come in here and said, "Yippee!" ;D

Why? I would like to see 'all' influence removed from the landscape, except for that influence imparted from the constituents of any given congressman or senator.

[kappys]

People have the right to express themselves as a group, combine wealth, and petition their government for a redress of grievances. It's the same principle and that is in the Constitution.

People certainly have a right to form such a group with a corporate charter for that purpose. I disagree that corporations such as JP Morgan with charters to provide for commercial banking and wealth generation have the identical right.

Corporate rights are based on the charters that they receive. They should not equal the rights of private citizens - or as is happening how, actually exceed the rights of private citizens.

[NUB]

You claim the GOP eliminated votes, and that is how you justify the voter fraud that Acorn was guilty of? Or, is it just because Acorn's voter fraud was for Obama that makes it ok?

*Registration fraud; and minor and isolated cases at that.

Huge, huge, huge, huge difference.

[tnedator]

*Registration fraud; and minor and isolated cases at that.

Huge, huge, huge, huge difference.

Maybe. One is an overt, documented, fraudulent activity under taken by Acorn, who is funded with our tax dollars.

The other is 'reported' as illegal activity, that the GOP and the GOP only (according to liberals) do to verify that all of the fraudulent registrations are weeded out. When organizations like Acorn fraudulently register thousands, or tens of thousands or more, voters, then there needs to be a check in place.

The address checks and other checks are simply using procedures that the states should already be doing, such as making sure that a person isn't on two district's (not to mention, three or four or ten) voters rolls.

In Arkansas, a state with two democratic senators, we are mailed post cards to confirm our address, to ensure we are still at the address we registered with.

When you have such rampant voter registration fraud, you need to counter it by trying to ensure only valid registrations turn into votes.

As I said, I welcome both being investigate, and if anything illegal is happening, then it should be dealt with.

I am also a proponent of requiring photo ID to vote, so that we have one vote per US Citizen.

[NUB]

No, not "maybe". There is a huge difference, period.

[BroncoLifer]

I'm surprised that none of the Righties have come in here and said, "Yippee!" ;D

Which says more about you than about us.

[Garcia Bronco]

People certainly have a right to form such a group with a corporate charter for that purpose. I disagree that corporations such as JP Morgan with charters to provide for commercial banking and wealth generation have the identical right.

Corporate rights are based on the charters that they receive. They should not equal the rights of private citizens - or as is happening how, actually exceed the rights of private citizens.

How do the rights of joined citizens exceed that of the individual. It's the same rights.

[ghwk]

No it's not. The CEO decides what the corporation will support and donate to, not the individual in the coporation. Corporations will also hold education sessions as to why employees should contributre to the corporate political action committee. Even though it may not be mandatory to contribute each dept. can receive goals. The pressure is subtle but it's there.

Why is it different that Acorn receives tax money? Corps. also receive tax money and breaks the individual doesn't get.

Voter fraud should be investigated, degree of fraud should be irrelevant.

[tnedator]

No, not "maybe". There is a huge difference, period.

Why, because you say so? Has anyone been convicted of this so called "caging"? Is there any indisputable proof of it, as there is with the Acorn voter registration AND voting fraud?

I know the belligerent, "because I said so asshole" thing typically works for you, but how about backing it up this time?

[tnedator]

No it's not. The CEO decides what the corporation will support and donate to, not the individual in the coporation. Corporations will also hold education sessions as to why employees should contributre to the corporate political action committee. Even though it may not be mandatory to contribute each dept. can receive goals. The pressure is subtle but it's there.

Why is it different that Acorn receives tax money? Corps. also receive tax money and breaks the individual doesn't get.

Voter fraud should be investigated, degree of fraud should be irrelevant.

Let's not forget Fannie and Freddie lining the pockets of the Dem leaders....

Anyway, agreed, all voter fraud should be investigated and prosecuted.

[cutthemdown]

Nope. People have the right to express themselves. Human beings are endowed by their creator with certain, inalienable rights. Not unions, corporations, etc.

does that mean groups like ACLU don't have freedom of speech? What about groups like the NRA? These groups use money and influence but certainly aren't individuals?

[tnedator]

does that mean groups like ACLU don't have freedom of speech? What about groups like the NRA? These groups use money and influence but certainly aren't individuals?

Ok, apologies in advance for derailing, but of the groups you mentioned. Isn't it funny that the group that supports these aweful, murderous weapons, is the group that is not known for violence and physical intimidation? Unlike the ACLU.

In the words of the once great Arsenio Hall, "things that make you go, Hmmmm".

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Finally, the Right Wing packing of the Supreme Court is about to pay off. Scalia, Roberts et al are about to release the flood waters of corporate donations into our political waters. No holds barred. A money free for all.

Depending on the contours of the decision, sources familiar with the political and legal strategies of unions, major Washington advocacy groups and trade associations expect a deluge of new spending in the 2010 and 2012 elections that likely would most benefit Republicans, since for-profit corporations and their non-profit advocacy groups tend to lean right and have more money at their disposals than unions, which typically support Democrats.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/26843.html

Instead of moving toward less corporate and union influence in our elections, we are poised to completely unleash the floodgates. And before the Rightards try to convince anybody that the unions will also have an open playing field, what we are talking about here is the unlimited influence of money. Before you can make that argument, you have to come up with a union that has the economic clout of Exxon Mobile? Walmart? Goldman Sachs? I thought so.

Celebrate rightards! Looks like pretty soon you'll be able to buy whatever government you want.

Nice knowing you, republic.

But Ro:

According to our right-wing friends on this board, to oppose this sort of absolute "of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations" form of rule is "socialist" (and just plain un-American!) ;)

[Bob]

I'm surprised that none of the Righties have come in here and said, "Yippee!" ;D

Because he is just one person, and the underlying reasons he was appointed are still there. Why did this admin ignore the fact he was a self-described Communist and only discarded the radical means for a radical ends.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[tnedator]

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Classy