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TheReverend
09-07-2009, 10:11 PM
Apologies if repost... nothing earth shattering.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=134

DENVER BRONCOS 2009 DEPTH CHART
(as of Sept. 7, 2009)
Broncos Offense
WR 19 E. Royal 84 B. Lloyd 11 K. McKinley
LT 78 R. Clady 76 T. Polumbus
LG 50 B. Hamilton 70. S. Olsen
C 62 C. Wiegmann 50 B. Hamilton
RG 73 C. Kuper 71 R. Hochstein
RT 74 R. Harris 77 B. Gorin
TE 89 D. Graham 88 T. Scheffler 81 R. Quinn
WR 14 B. Stokley 10 J. Gaffney
WR 10 J. Gaffney 15 B. Marshall
QB 8 K.Orton 2 C. Simms 3 T. Brandstater
RB 28 C. Buckhalter 32 L. Jordan 22 P. Hillis 27 K. Moreno


Broncos Defense
DE 98 R. McBean 97 L. Smith
NT 91 R. Fields 79 M. Thomas 75 C. Baker
DE 90 K. Peterson 99 V. Hollliday
OLB 57 M. Haggan 95 D. Reid
ILB 54 A. Davis 46 S. Larsen
ILB 55 D.J. Willaims 59 W. Woodyard
OLB 92 E. Dumervil 56 R. Ayers 94 J. Moss
LCB 24 C. Bailey 33 A. Smith
RCB 21 A. Goodman 26 J. Williams
SS 23 R. Hill 30 D. Bruton 36 J. Barrett
FS 20 B. Dawkins 31 D. McBath


Broncos Specialists
P 1 B. Kern
K 5 M. Prater
KO 5 M. Prater 1 B. Kern
PR 19 E. Royal 33 A. Smith
KR 19 E. Royal 22 P. Hillis 33 A. Smith
PC 66 L. Paxton 73 C. Kuper 88 T. Scheffler
KC 66 L. Paxton 73 C. Kuper 88 T. Scheffler
H 1 B. Kern 8 K. Orton

TheReverend
09-07-2009, 10:13 PM
Buck and Jordan over Hillis and Moreno most upsetting to me.

Gaffney over Marshall I can understand considering the drama... and because of the sheer wealth of immense talent oozing from every Gaffney pore.

TheReverend
09-07-2009, 10:15 PM
One other thing:

OLB 57 M. Haggan 95 D. Reid
OLB 92 E. Dumervil 56 R. Ayers 94 J. Moss

I like Haggan and all......

But does it seem like we have one spot locked down with talented prospects, and just lobbed dog **** at the other one to try and anchor the point of attack, or is that just me....?

Popps
09-07-2009, 10:20 PM
Again, there has been one very unsubstantiated rumor that said Hillis was struggling with the system. I have no idea what truth there could be to that. However, I did read one scouting report on Hillis coming out of school that said he was a guy who might try to get by on physical talent alone... and might not take properly to coaching.

Again, that's just one rumor and one scouting report. Doesn't mean it's true. But, at a certain point... I guess you have to wonder. Shanahan did everything he could to keep from starting Hillis, and now McDaniels seems to be following suit.

In situations like these, I just assume there must be something we aren't seeing. Hillis looks like a much better starting option to me than Buckhalter or Jordan. The fact that he's third string behind them despite already being on the roster is just a bit odd.

Maybe it's no big deal, and he'll get his fair share of reps. But, you have to wonder why a couple of smart offensive coaches have avoided making him a primary back.

Baba Booey
09-07-2009, 10:28 PM
Hillis on KRs...I like

TheReverend
09-07-2009, 10:28 PM
Again, there has been one very unsubstantiated rumor that said Hillis was struggling with the system. I have no idea what truth there could be to that. However, I did read one scouting report on Hillis coming out of school that said he was a guy who might try to get by on physical talent alone... and might not take properly to coaching.

We've seen him vastly outperform the other players in THIS system. On top of that, he's got a wealth of versatility from playing different positions and his catching ability... it's insanity to me.

Again, that's just one rumor and one scouting report. Doesn't mean it's true. But, at a certain point... I guess you have to wonder. Shanahan did everything he could to keep from starting Hillis, and now McDaniels seems to be following suit.

Please don't say dumb ****.

Late 7th round FULLbacks don't generally get opportunities their rookie year... especially after a mild hold-out.

Injury gave Hillis his and the second that came along, he had the job until his injury... so this is just absurd.

In situations like these, I just assume there must be something we aren't seeing. Hillis looks like a much better starting option to me than Buckhalter or Jordan. The fact that he's third string behind them despite already being on the roster is just a bit odd.

Maybe it's no big deal, and he'll get his fair share of reps. But, you have to wonder why a couple of smart offensive coaches have avoided making him a primary back.

There HAS to be something going on... or hopefully just some smoke screen heading into week 1. It just seems like we're starting to literally go out of the way to avoid playing talented players.

Durango
09-07-2009, 10:29 PM
Buck and Jordan over Hillis and Moreno most upsetting to me.

Gaffney over Marshall I can understand considering the drama... and because of the sheer wealth of immense talent oozing from every Gaffney pore.


Doesn't Gaffney have a broken thumb? So, someone is telling the world that Gaffney will start with a stub hand ahead of Marshall? ummmmm, no.

It must be part of that public humiliation thing. Of course, Marshall deserves it, but still..

tsiguy96
09-07-2009, 10:29 PM
this makes it pretty clear moreno will not be playing at all this week, and i doubt we see marshall either.

gotta admit one thing over last year, we have much better depth and talent almost everywhere. with both sides this year more than we are used to, there will be more rotation and more use of different sets, so "starters" doesnt mean as much as playtime will. how much are we gonna run a nickel defense, and when we run nickel, does a LB come off the field and we just rush 3?

Popps
09-07-2009, 11:20 PM
We've seen him vastly outperform the other players in THIS system. On top of that, he's got a wealth of versatility from playing different positions and his catching ability... it's insanity to me.


Can't really disagree. He hasn't had a bang-up preseason, but he hasn't gotten enough work, imo.


Please don't say dumb ****.


Well, we both know that's never the case... so don't worry.


Late 7th round FULLbacks don't generally get opportunities their rookie year... especially after a mild hold-out.


True, though Shanahan was as quick as any coach in the league to start a player, regardless of where he was drafted. Even when Hillis was getting game time, Shanahan chose to just throw him the ball, at first. Finally, he had no choice but to feed it to him as a RB.

The point here is... Shanahan watched this guy all the way through camp. He's an offensive genius. You and I can look at Hillis run the ball three times and we know he's got freaky skills. So, Shanahan clearly had a chance to see him in camp... and preseason, and chose to not give him a chance to run the ball.

McDaniels seems to be following suit, to an extent. These are two brilliant offensive coaches doing the exact same thing. Clearly, there's something we're not seeing in this situation.


There HAS to be something going on... or hopefully just some smoke screen heading into week 1. .

I don't know, man. Again, there IS a school of thought out there that says there might be more than meets the eye with regards to his overall abilities/coachability.

McDaniels seems to love Eddie Royal, and showered Marshall with Praise before he held out. He hasn't benched anyone on our offensive line. Champ Bailey still has a starting spot. Even DJ Williams seems to be safe.

So, I don't think this is a larger issue than Hilllis. I think it's either what you said... a smoke screen, or there's clearly some other info we're not privy to.

BroncoMan4ever
09-07-2009, 11:23 PM
One other thing:

OLB 57 M. Haggan 95 D. Reid
OLB 92 E. Dumervil 56 R. Ayers 94 J. Moss

I like Haggan and all......

But does it seem like we have one spot locked down with talented prospects, and just lobbed dog **** at the other one to try and anchor the point of attack, or is that just me....?

that's just you man.

Ayers is still learning the pro game and can't be expected to start right now, in a month or 2 that will change. Moss sucks and only made it because it would have cost us 2 million to dump him.

Haggan has played well for us and right now is deserving of the spot as a starter

Popps
09-07-2009, 11:25 PM
They've been slowly giving Ayers more and more time. He still looks a little lost, though. Give him time. I'm glad we have a little depth to utilize as we bring him along.

cutthemdown
09-07-2009, 11:32 PM
The reason could be that coaches don't feel Hillis has a style that lends itself to a lot of touches in a football game. He takes an enormous amount of contact and big RB's are notorious for getting injured.

Also Hillis a little slow to the LOS IMO and lacks the kind of wiggle you want from a starting RB.

I like him though but I think his role best suited to 10 touches a game.

TheReverend
09-07-2009, 11:32 PM
True, though Shanahan was as quick as any coach in the league to start a player, regardless of where he was drafted. Even when Hillis was getting game time, Shanahan chose to just throw him the ball, at first. Finally, he had no choice but to feed it to him as a RB.

The point here is... Shanahan watched this guy all the way through camp. He's an offensive genius. You and I can look at Hillis run the ball three times and we know he's got freaky skills. So, Shanahan clearly had a chance to see him in camp... and preseason, and chose to not give him a chance to run the ball.

McDaniels seems to be following suit, to an extent. These are two brilliant offensive coaches doing the exact same thing. Clearly, there's something we're not seeing in this situation.

He's not following suit. The situation is just about as apples and oranges as you can get.

This time last year, Hillis was a 7th round rookie fullback had broken the starting line-up as a fullback and a nearly unknown commodity. I know it may be difficult to believe that everyone in camps aren't getting the same amount of snaps... or that a head coach may have more things to do than to watch rookie 7th round fullbacks and day dream about a position switch for them, but that's the reality, Popps.

This time THIS year, we have several games of film of Hillis as the bell-cow running back with over 20 carries per game, and a remarkable performance shredding the Jets defense that just came off shutting down one of the strongest running games in the league (Titans).

Buckhalter has looked better than I anticipated thus far... but the fat Ewok Jordan in no way shape or form deserves to be slotted above Hillis... in NO WAY.

tsiguy96
09-07-2009, 11:44 PM
The reason could be that coaches don't feel Hillis has a style that lends itself to a lot of touches in a football game. He takes an enormous amount of contact and big RB's are notorious for getting injured.

Also Hillis a little slow to the LOS IMO and lacks the kind of wiggle you want from a starting RB.

I like him though but I think his role best suited to 10 touches a game.

didnt his YPC go up as he got more carries...

SoCalBronco
09-07-2009, 11:54 PM
I'm sure there will be a rotation at RB....at least for the time being. I wouldn't take the depth chart too seriously. They always emphasize different backs in different packages. Hillis will get his share in SY-GL as well as in the base. Buckhalter does a nice job on outside runs and also in the passing game and I'm sure there will be a portion of the game plan vs. CIN that emphasizes him in those respects. If Moreno is good to go, I suspect the staff will work him in as well in certain areas in the base offense as well as on screens and such. I think there will be RB by committee for the first few weeks until Moreno is totally healthy. After that, I think we'll see him share snaps with Hillis primarily, with Buckhalter making appearances from time to time on sure passing downs and/or in the shotgun, where he has done a nice job on draws.

WABronco
09-07-2009, 11:59 PM
I'm sure there will be a rotation at RB....at least for the time being. I wouldn't take the depth chart too seriously. They always emphasize different backs in different packages. Hillis will get his share in SY-GL as well as in the base. Buckhalter does a nice job on outside runs and also in the passing game and I'm sure there will be a portion of the game plan vs. CIN that emphasizes him in those respects. If Moreno is good to go, I suspect the staff will work him in as well in certain areas in the base offense as well as on screens and such. I think there will be RB by committee for the first few weeks until Moreno is totally healthy. After that, I think we'll see him share snaps with Hillis primarily, with Buckhalter making appearances from time to time on sure passing downs and/or in the shotgun, where he has done a nice job on draws.

Bingo.

Popps
09-08-2009, 12:04 AM
I know it may be difficult to believe that everyone in camps aren't getting the same amount of snaps.

Again, there's no question he had an uphill battle in camp.

What I'm saying is, Mike Shanahan is a friggin' offensive genius. The guy DID see Hillis taking carries in camp and in practice. Guarantee you, he saw enough from him to make a judgment. Yet, he didn't give him a carry until he had to.

It's not a conspiracy. Two great coaches have decided for whatever reason that he's not a starting RB, unless injury forced their hand.

This isn't a Shanny/McD thing. They both seemed to arrive at the same conclusion, regardless of the circumstances and while I don't feel like digging, I'll bet there are posts from last year's camp reports that discuss Hillis taking snaps of some sort.

He also carried the ball enough in college for Shanny to have an idea what kind of skills he had.

McDaniels had a year of tape to look at, and doesn't seem overwhelmed with him as a potential starter.


Again, in a situation like this... I'm inclined to think there are things we don't know.

Or, perhaps it's what SoCal is saying... and the numbers on the depth chart don't really mean much. There is probably truth to that.

What I'm positive it's not... is McDaniels purposely benching playmakers. He didn't help lead one of the league's best offenses the past few years by benching playmakers.

Popps
09-08-2009, 12:07 AM
I should also add that if he's not the starter this coming week (if Moreno is out) ... I disagree with the decision.

But, we'll see how our running game pans out.

NE was 4th in the league in rushing last year using a bunch of guys they pulled off of a UPS loading dock behind a back-up QB who hadn't played since Pop-Warner or some ****.

I'll cut our coach a bit of slack until I see the results.

BroncoMan4ever
09-08-2009, 12:16 AM
Again, there's no question he had an uphill battle in camp.

What I'm saying is, Mike Shanahan is a friggin' offensive genius. The guy DID see Hillis taking carries in camp and in practice. Guarantee you, he saw enough from him to make a judgment. Yet, he didn't give him a carry until he had to.

It's not a conspiracy. Two great coaches have decided for whatever reason that he's not a starting RB, unless injury forced their hand.

This isn't a Shanny/McD thing. They both seemed to arrive at the same conclusion, regardless of the circumstances and while I don't feel like digging, I'll bet there are posts from last year's camp reports that discuss Hillis taking snaps of some sort.

He also carried the ball enough in college for Shanny to have an idea what kind of skills he had.

McDaniels had a year of tape to look at, and doesn't seem overwhelmed with him as a potential starter.


i agree with that. Mike in years past was able to see a diamond regardless of where that player was drafted. TD, Gary, and Anderson all come to mind as the late round guy that he noticed and decided to give the rock to. i also found it odd, that he didn't see that in Hillis, when just about any fan could see that when he had the ball in his hands he was a pain to bring down and could do special things in this offense.

however on the McDaniels side of things, i don't think he has just overlooked all of Hillis' accomplishments. i think he has seen all Hillis can do and has decided not to just make him into 1 thing for the offense, be it a FB or RB. i think he sees Hillis as a swiss army knife type of player for the offense. a guy who can carry the ball a few times a game, and catch a few times a game, block for other guys and just create a lot of mismatches.

also with the Patriots method of using RBs, it is based on a RBBC as opposed to 1 feature guy. so even though the depth chart has him as 4th in line he is still going to see his fair share of ball handling duties.