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BroncoSojia
09-04-2009, 03:28 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12158422


ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP) -The Denver Broncos got a head start on cuts, releasing nine players, including quarterback Ingle Martin.

The team also placed guard Matt McChesney on the reserve/injured list with a sprained ankle on Friday.

There are no surprises in the other players released: DLs Matthias Askew and Carlton Powell; OL Kory Lichtensteiger and Clint Oldenberg; CB Rashod Moulton; RB Marcus Thomas; WR Nate Swift and LB Lee Robinson.

Martin is a free agent who signed after No. 2 quarterback Chris Simms sprained an ankle two weeks ago. Starter Kyle Orton has an injured finger, and neither can play in the opener at Cincinnati next week. Rookie Tom Brandstater is expected to start.

The Broncos must get down to 53 players Saturday.

TheReverend
09-04-2009, 03:30 PM
Holy sht!

TheDave
09-04-2009, 03:31 PM
Ouch... **** **** ****

Looks like I better change my vote in the pickem league.

Tombstone RJ
09-04-2009, 03:32 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12158422


ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP) -The Denver Broncos got a head start on cuts, releasing nine players, including quarterback Ingle Martin.

The team also placed guard Matt McChesney on the reserve/injured list with a sprained ankle on Friday.

There are no surprises in the other players released: DLs Matthias Askew and Carlton Powell; OL Kory Lichtensteiger and Clint Oldenberg; CB Rashod Moulton; RB Marcus Thomas; WR Nate Swift and LB Lee Robinson.

Martin is a free agent who signed after No. 2 quarterback Chris Simms sprained an ankle two weeks ago. Starter Kyle Orton has an injured finger, and neither can play in the opener at Cincinnati next week. Rookie Tom Brandstater is expected to start.

The Broncos must get down to 53 players Saturday.

I'd rather Simms get the start if he can play, but we shall see.

Smiling Assassin27
09-04-2009, 03:32 PM
Rookie, first NFL game, on the road. What could go wrong?

Defense had better be ready to pitch a shutout.

OOJack
09-04-2009, 03:33 PM
wow. Tom B, SB Elway performance please? You can do it!

cutthemdown
09-04-2009, 03:33 PM
WOW!!!!

What a crappy 3rd preseason game that was. Lost Orton and Kuper in same meaningless game.

elsid13
09-04-2009, 03:34 PM
So who is going to be the #2 QB? Orton or Simms?

Tombstone RJ
09-04-2009, 03:35 PM
So who is going to be the #2 QB? Orton or Simms?

Hmmm, good question.

DenverBroncosJM
09-04-2009, 03:35 PM
I really want them to win this game but your right what do I do in my pick'em league now......

listopencil
09-04-2009, 03:36 PM
Holy ****.

DenverBroncosJM
09-04-2009, 03:36 PM
I wonder what the spread is going to be in this one?

bendog
09-04-2009, 03:37 PM
Christ, the coach is in the bag for the seahags.

LongDongJohnson
09-04-2009, 03:37 PM
bengals 31-broncos 3

prunch
09-04-2009, 03:39 PM
Not saying this might not be the case ...... Tom B could start but if the Schefters aint reporting it just yet, I aint buying this as absolute fact.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-04-2009, 03:39 PM
Huh.

I wonder if McDaniels is going to be taped up to a sewer pipe by the vets, like TheDave said.

Question: if he plays well, and if the Broncos manage to win the game, does Brandstater stay the starter?

Tombstone RJ
09-04-2009, 03:41 PM
Broncos must run the ball to have a prayer in this game.

27atwater
09-04-2009, 03:41 PM
I'm kinda intrigued. We're gonna find out pretty quick what this kid is made of.

DenverBroncosJM
09-04-2009, 03:41 PM
Huh.

I wonder if McDaniels is going to be taped up to a sewer pipe by the vets, like TheDave said.

Question: if he plays well, and if the Broncos manage to win the game, does Brandstater stay the starter?


If Tom B wins them some games the vets will come around pretty quickly I imagine

TheDave
09-04-2009, 03:42 PM
Huh.

I wonder if McDaniels is going to be taped up to a sewer pipe by the vets, like TheDave said.



That was assuming he would start him over a "Healthy" Orton and Simms... Looks liike that wasn't an option.

24champ
09-04-2009, 03:43 PM
Huh.

I wonder if McDaniels is going to be taped up to a sewer pipe by the vets, like TheDave said.

Question: if he plays well, and if the Broncos manage to win the game, does Brandstater stay the starter?

The vets will respond to Brandstater, he has good command of the huddle and on the sidelines. I'm not worried about that. Vets will get behind Tom B. until Orton or Simms is ready to go.

Gcver2ver3
09-04-2009, 03:43 PM
since when does cbssports break something like that 1st?...

i don't buy it...

24champ
09-04-2009, 03:44 PM
That was assuming he would start him over a "Healthy" Orton and Simms... Looks liike that wasn't an option.

Bring your alcohol and get on the train DAVE!!!! :strong:

Dr. Broncenstein
09-04-2009, 03:44 PM
I'm just shocked... SHOCKED.... that an open dislocation of the throwing index finger won't be healed in under two weeks. Honestly, who could have imagined?

bronco610
09-04-2009, 03:44 PM
I see no prob. with this I think Brandstater is the future lets put him in. He can make the throws and I like him better than simms and orton. Works for me.

TheDave
09-04-2009, 03:44 PM
since when does cbssports break something like that 1st?...

i don't buy it...

I hope you are right...

crowebomber
09-04-2009, 03:45 PM
Patriots fans were saying the same thing when Cassel had to step in for Brady. Maybe we'll find out that McDaniels is the genius he really thinks he is.

DenverBroncosJM
09-04-2009, 03:45 PM
Hmmm, good question.

If Tom B really does start I assume Simms will be the back up just because he would be further along in the healing process?

jhns
09-04-2009, 03:45 PM
Patriots fans were saying the same thing when Cassel had to step in for Brady. Maybe we'll find out that McDaniels is the genius he really thinks he is.

We can all hope. He sure hasn't looked like one with Orton.

Tombstone RJ
09-04-2009, 03:46 PM
I'm just shocked... SHOCKED.... that an open dislocation of the throwing index finger won't be healed in under two weeks. Honestly, who could have imagined?

What are you, some kinda ortho doctor? Like you would know...

bronco610
09-04-2009, 03:46 PM
I'd rather Simms get the start if he can play, but we shall see.

Simms???????" Are you drinking? :clown:

Tombstone RJ
09-04-2009, 03:47 PM
Simms???????" Are you drinking? :clown:

Nope, dead serious. If he can move on that ankle then he should start.

Gcver2ver3
09-04-2009, 03:47 PM
i mean, think about it...

it's not even the main headline of the article...

they have it mentioned after the camp fodder scrubs?...

if they were breaking that news, it would be a main headline, not an afterthought on an article about cuts...

they almost seem to mention it as if its common knowledge...

they seem to not have their facts straight IMO...

TheDave
09-04-2009, 03:48 PM
Patriots fans were saying the same thing when Cassel had to step in for Brady. Maybe we'll find out that McDaniels is the genius he really thinks he is.

Cassel had been in the system years not weeks...

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-04-2009, 03:48 PM
I'm not entirely sold on the news... National outlets are usually the last to know, and I would think CBS4 or Josina's twitter would have broken this, not CBS news.

Atwater His Ass
09-04-2009, 03:49 PM
id like to say that it matters, but im not sure it really does.

crowebomber
09-04-2009, 03:50 PM
i mean, think about it...

it's not even the main headline of the article...

they have it mentioned after the camp fodder scrubs?...

if they were breaking that news, it would be a main headline, not an afterthought on an article about cuts...

they almost seem to mention it as if its common knowledge...

they seem to not have their facts straight IMO...

I agree. Maybe they're just looking at the injury list and seeing that he is the starter today and making that jump. "As of right now Brandstater is the week one starter."

(I had to stop and look how to spell Brandstater - that ain't a good sign).

bendog
09-04-2009, 03:50 PM
Doc's wrong. I mean I sprained an ankle once and jogged a month later. These guys are pros. (-:

Pat and Josh have so ****ed us. lol

maher_tyler
09-04-2009, 03:50 PM
I really want them to win this game but your right what do I do in my pick'em league now......

You pick Denver..Duh!!

Dr. Broncenstein
09-04-2009, 03:51 PM
http://i.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/4835442/nuclear-explosion-main_Full.jpg

crowebomber
09-04-2009, 03:52 PM
Cassel had been in the system years not weeks...

I'm just drinking my kool aid over here. Have to put a little something in it this year, but still just drinking my kool aid.

TheDave
09-04-2009, 03:52 PM
Bring your alcohol and get on the train DAVE!!!! :strong:

Seriously boss... we need to hope this isn't true.

bendog
09-04-2009, 03:56 PM
Josh has a plan. He worked for Uncle Bill.

broncofan7
09-04-2009, 03:57 PM
Hell YES! I'd rather struggle with a TALENTED ROOKIE QB than with a mediocre VETERAN QB --his ceiling is SO much higher than Orton's...instead of witnessing orton throw 3 yard screen passes and losing we NOW have the chance to see if the rookie can play as well against Cincy as he did against CHI and Zona......

oubronco
09-04-2009, 03:59 PM
And your starting QB for the Denver Broncos

Los Broncos
09-04-2009, 03:59 PM
Wow, that's crazy but I'm down, **** it.

bendog
09-04-2009, 03:59 PM
Jesus Christ, I feel like I walked into a room of broncos fans in 1968

That One Guy
09-04-2009, 04:00 PM
Anyone remember Cutler's first game when he was going down and threw the ball up in the air for the... I believe it was a Seahawks player to intercept?

Here's to hope and growing pains...

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-04-2009, 04:00 PM
http://www.examiner.com/images/AP/61126392-a4df-4c78-8138-889dffc35a09.jpg

Show it, Rook.

elsid13
09-04-2009, 04:00 PM
Hell YES! I'd rather struggle with a TALENTED ROOKIE QB than with a mediocre VETERAN QB --his ceiling is SO much higher than Orton's...instead of witnessing orton throw 3 yard screen passes and losing we NOW have the chance to see if the rookie can play as well against Cincy as he did against CHI and Zona......

What exactly make you think he is talented? Because he was successful against guy that are about to be cut and facing base defenses?

bendog
09-04-2009, 04:01 PM
alan pastrana! that's the ticket

elsid13
09-04-2009, 04:02 PM
Jesus Christ, I feel like I walked into a room of broncos fans in 1968

We are wearing the stripped socks this season

TheDave
09-04-2009, 04:02 PM
Anyone remember Cutler's first game when he was going down and threw the ball up in the air for the... I believe it was a Seahawks player to intercept?

Here's to hope and growing pains...

Speaking of Seattle...

dbfan4life
09-04-2009, 04:02 PM
Brandstarter it is. Wow, talk about the jinx of all jinxes.

atomicbloke
09-04-2009, 04:03 PM
wow... its actually happening.... i am speechless....

broncofan7
09-04-2009, 04:03 PM
What exactly make you think he is talented? Because he was successful against guy that are about to be cut and facing base defenses?

Did you watch ANY of the pre-season games? and if you DID--go see your physician and tell him that Broncofan7 thinks you have ADHD.

Against the CHICAGO BEAR 1st team defense--he led a TD drive.

Last night--against Zona's #1 D he led us to a FG and TD---and that was without our #1 WR's (basically Eddie Royal)

RhymesayersDU
09-04-2009, 04:05 PM
THANKYOU JESUS FOR DELIVERING TO US TOM BRANDSTATER!!!!!



This will be EPIC.

gtown
09-04-2009, 04:06 PM
This can't be true. None of the national news outlets have broken this. I think this was just a simple mistake by the writer. I like Tom Bra... and all but I don't want to just throw him out there without having to hold a clipboard for a few weeks at least.

Popps
09-04-2009, 04:15 PM
since when does cbssports break something like that 1st?...

i don't buy it...

Yea, I'm fine if it's true... but it seems like just sort of a tacked on sentence to a report. To me, that's a fairly big piece of news.

No other outlet is reporting this.... yet.

Ratboy
09-04-2009, 04:17 PM
Good, I rather go 3-13 with Brandstater then 3-13 with Orton

elsid13
09-04-2009, 04:18 PM
Did you watch ANY of the pre-season games? and if you DID--go see your physician and tell him that Broncofan7 thinks you have ADHD.

Against the CHICAGO BEAR 1st team defense--he led a TD drive.

Last night--against Zona's #1 D he led us to a FG and TD---and that was without our #1 WR's (basically Eddie Royal)

He has shown flashes but he is not ready for the regular season when DC will actually game plan for teams vs running basic stuff. He needs two more years before he is ready.

His completion percentage is horrible and will only get worse when the real defense show up.

Hercules Rockefeller
09-04-2009, 04:19 PM
It would be a headline if true, not tacked on like others have already mentioned.

Also, Martin wouldn't have been cut. You don't go into a game with 1 QB and that's it.

Doggcow
09-04-2009, 04:20 PM
BRANDSTARTER HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo!

UberBroncoMan
09-04-2009, 04:21 PM
Well...

On the bright side at least the first 3 games aren't that bad.

24champ
09-04-2009, 04:22 PM
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/d9/fullj.7d6b731bd685ac7a5ef32b91f212b5ad/7d6b731bd685ac7a5ef32b91f212b5ad-getty-.jpg

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-04-2009, 04:23 PM
This can't be true. None of the national news outlets have broken this. I think this was just a simple mistake by the writer. I like Tom Bra... and all but I don't want to just throw him out there without having to hold a clipboard for a few weeks at least.

AP now reporting this...

Also that Dingle Martin will be the backup... that he wasn't cut after all.

Natedogg
09-04-2009, 04:23 PM
it is a typo, i bet.

i think they forgot the work "if."

broncofan7
09-04-2009, 04:25 PM
He has shown flashes but he is not ready for the regular season when DC will actually game plan for teams vs running basic stuff. He needs two more years before he is ready.

His completion percentage is horrible and will only get worse when the real defense show up.

As opposed to Orton's level of production against those SAME vanillia defenses.....--complete with no passes beyond his 10 yard 'arc of safety'--I'd rather lose with Tom B than with Orton's BORING style of football.

broncofan2438
09-04-2009, 04:26 PM
He wont start....this is bull****. I wont believe it until i hear it from the coach

Hogan11
09-04-2009, 04:27 PM
He's got to change his jersey number though, he looks like a punter out there

jhns
09-04-2009, 04:29 PM
Well we can see what hes got if it is true. When do we have to say who is injured? I thought McD wasn't talking until last minute with injuries.

It would be a good team to start against. There really isn't much easier this year. Maybe he will be good. I expect the defense to look pretty good and I doubt the offense will have to do a lot week 1.

broncofan7
09-04-2009, 04:30 PM
He wont start....this is bull****. I wont believe it until i hear it from the coach

I'll be VERY let down if he doesn't..........

listopencil
09-04-2009, 04:36 PM
He's got to change his jersey number though, he looks like a punter out there

Yeah. The 3 bugs me.

BroncoMan4ever
09-04-2009, 04:37 PM
since when does cbssports break something like that 1st?...

i don't buy it...

i agree, plus 14 days is more than enough time to return from a dislocated and cut finger. Orton will start. Brandstater will be prepped as the emergency QB, and nothing else.

listopencil
09-04-2009, 04:38 PM
You know what? **** it. I'm all in. I hope they start him. Fire up this thing and let's see what happens.

Dukes
09-04-2009, 04:38 PM
He's got to change his jersey number though, he looks like a punter out there

Completely agree. How about 6, I think that's available.

footstepsfrom#27
09-04-2009, 04:41 PM
Interesting...somewhere on another thread I posted recent QB finger injuries and how long it took them to play...2 weeks was the minimum. I was wondering if he would make it back or not. I actually think Brandstater might give a decent account of himself. Here's a wild thought; what if he starts and performs exceptionally well and they win on the road with him? Then Orton comes in the next week and sucks... :wave: would this place erupt in controversy or what?

jhns
09-04-2009, 04:41 PM
Completely agree. How about 6, I think that's available.

He can't. That number is going to be retired.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-04-2009, 04:42 PM
i agree, plus 14 days is more than enough time to return from a dislocated and cut finger. Orton will start. Brandstater will be prepped as the emergency QB, and nothing else.

:rofl:

It was a dislocation that jammed through the skin of his finger. You couldn't pick your nose 2 weeks after such an injury, let alone throw a football.

listopencil
09-04-2009, 04:42 PM
Interesting...somewhere on another thread I posted recent QB finger injuries and how long it took them to play...2 weeks was the minimum. I was wondering if he would make it back or not. I actually think Brandstater might give a decent account of himself. Here's a wild thought; what if he starts and performs exceptionally well and they win on the road with him? Then Orton comes in the next week and sucks... :wave: would this place erupt in controversy or what?

I'm hoping that if that happens they don't put Orton back in there.

Dukes
09-04-2009, 04:45 PM
He can't. That number is going to be retired.

LOL I can see Bowlen doing that

NYBronco
09-04-2009, 04:50 PM
Josh has a plan. He worked for Uncle Bill.

Yeah, Josh planned the injuries so Brandstater could be his week 1 starter. Genius, pure genius.

NYBronco
09-04-2009, 04:52 PM
He can't. That number is going to be retired.

It should be, after all the last QB that wore that number had an arm stronger then Elway.

NYBronco
09-04-2009, 04:54 PM
Did you watch ANY of the pre-season games? and if you DID--go see your physician and tell him that Broncofan7 thinks you have ADHD.

Against the CHICAGO BEAR 1st team defense--he led a TD drive.

Last night--against Zona's #1 D he led us to a FG and TD---and that was without our #1 WR's (basically Eddie Royal)

The TD was scored on a 93 yard drive and without the all mighty Marshall.

Hogan11
09-04-2009, 04:59 PM
The TD was scored on a 93 yard drive and without the all mighty Marshall.

who?

cutthemdown
09-04-2009, 05:04 PM
:rofl:

It was a dislocation that jammed through the skin of his finger. You couldn't pick your nose 2 weeks after such an injury, let alone throw a football.

Yeah I bet he misses the first 2 weeks. Then even after that he will be feeling it. Really this could be a nasty injury and Broncos just not letting on.

Still IMO you don't need to be a doctor to realize any trauma to a fingers bone or joint that causes the skin to rupture is pretty severe.

Archer81
09-04-2009, 05:05 PM
Hmm...interesting.


:Broncos:

Rohirrim
09-04-2009, 05:06 PM
Yeah, when you see the bone sticking out you can figure it might take a little while. Who knows what will happen? Isn't this how Brady got his start? Bledsoe went down?

Archer81
09-04-2009, 05:09 PM
Yeah, when you see the bone sticking out you can figure it might take a little while. Who knows what will happen? Isn't this how Brady got his start? Bledsoe went down?


Bledsoe scrambled...which is ridiculous in the first place, but as he was going out got hit, and it sheared a bloodvessel in his chest, and he almost died. Thus the Brady legend began...in New England its taught ahead of mathematics and science.


:Broncos:

NFLBRONCO
09-04-2009, 05:11 PM
Everyone going holycow over Brandstater starting when Simms and Orton are the other choices they blow. Is Brandstater ready no but, if he does good enough go with it.

colonelbeef
09-04-2009, 05:12 PM
He is the only QB on the roster we don't know to be mediocre or worse for a fact, might as well see what he can do.

Shanahan must be laughing his ass off right now

Bronx33
09-04-2009, 05:13 PM
Brandstater next cutler

watermock
09-04-2009, 05:13 PM
Interesting...somewhere on another thread I posted recent QB finger injuries and how long it took them to play...2 weeks was the minimum. I was wondering if he would make it back or not. I actually think Brandstater might give a decent account of himself. Here's a wild thought; what if he starts and performs exceptionally well and they win on the road with him? Then Orton comes in the next week and sucks... :wave: would this place erupt in controversy or what?

Controversy would be nice after such a dull offseason

baja
09-04-2009, 05:16 PM
I'm just shocked... SHOCKED.... that an open dislocation of the throwing index finger won't be healed in under two weeks. Honestly, who could have imagined?

Is there any hope for a "Broken Arrow"?

Bronx33
09-04-2009, 05:18 PM
Iam soooo getting the first Brandstater jersey saturday.

titan
09-04-2009, 05:21 PM
I am going to wait to hear it from reliable local sources (koa, denver post) or adam shefter before believing this.

Archer81
09-04-2009, 05:22 PM
Is there any hope for a "Broken Arrow"?


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:Broncos:

rmsanger
09-04-2009, 05:22 PM
awesome... This is exactly the move I was hoping for!

NYBronc
09-04-2009, 05:26 PM
He's got to change his jersey number though, he looks like a punter out there

Sorry to post a Raider but the Mad Bomber wasn't too shabby.

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FireFly
09-04-2009, 05:29 PM
I see no prob. with this I think Brandstater is the future lets put him in. He can make the throws and I like him better than simms and orton. Works for me.

There is no way that this is true imo.

He might start because of injuries, but he'll be out just as soon and hanging with BVP before we know it.

FireFly
09-04-2009, 05:31 PM
Yeah, when you see the bone sticking out you can figure it might take a little while. Who knows what will happen? Isn't this how Brady got his start? Bledsoe went down?

Ture, however the difference was that Brady had been in the system for longer

NYBronc
09-04-2009, 05:33 PM
New England also suspended Terry Glenn that year.

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kmonty
09-04-2009, 05:41 PM
Spoke to the Broncos, the report is wrong. No update on Orton/Simms.

watermock
09-04-2009, 05:45 PM
There is no way that this is true imo.

He might start because of injuries, but he'll be out just as soon and hanging with BVP before we know it.


And Chad Jackson is BM.

It's all the system baby!

KS Bronco
09-04-2009, 05:46 PM
<dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dd style="margin: 0pt;">Not likely
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</dd><dd style="margin: 0pt;">September 4 12:42 ET</dd></dl><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;"><a href="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/518867">Tom Brandstater</a> may be the healthiest QB in a Broncos uniform, but don't expect to see him start the season-opener Sept. 13. Coach Josh McDaniels gave him a modest evaluation Thursday night. "He did some good things, runs the team OK."</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">Tom Brandstater (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/518867) may be the healthiest QB in a Broncos uniform, but don't expect to see him start the season-opener Sept. 13. Coach Josh McDaniels gave him a modest evaluation Thursday night. "He did some good things, runs the team OK."</dd></dl>
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/page/DEN

watermock
09-04-2009, 05:49 PM
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Bronx33
09-04-2009, 06:00 PM
mock wtf iam simply confused? did you reach into a bucket or something?

SonOfLe-loLang
09-04-2009, 06:13 PM
There is no way that this is true imo.

He might start because of injuries, but he'll be out just as soon and hanging with BVP before we know it.

He's a lot more talented that BVP. I'm not saying he's the future necessarily, but BVP was NEVER an NFL qb

orinjkrush
09-04-2009, 06:18 PM
the end of Denver as we knew it.

boys, cinch 'em up. it's gonna get hairy.

watermock
09-04-2009, 06:18 PM
September 4 12:42 ET
Tom Brandstater may be the healthiest QB in a Broncos uniform, but don't expect to see him start the season-opener Sept. 13. Coach Josh McDaniels gave him a modest evaluation Thursday night. "He did some good things, runs the team OK."
Tom Brandstater may be the healthiest QB in a Broncos uniform, but don't expect to see him start the season-opener Sept. 13. Coach Josh McDaniels gave him a modest evaluation Thursday night. "He did some good things, runs the team OK."





Just WOW.

listopencil
09-04-2009, 06:19 PM
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broncofan7
09-04-2009, 06:19 PM
Spoke to the Broncos, the report is wrong. No update on Orton/Simms.

DAMN. I knew it was too good to be true.....It makes TOO MUCH SENSE for it to be true.

Bronx33
09-04-2009, 06:20 PM
the end of Denver as we knew it.

boys, cinch 'em up. it's gonna get hairy.


Good this should weed out the candy asses by game 6.

watermock
09-04-2009, 06:20 PM
Wonder what the spread will be....can't find it yet.

KipCorrington25
09-04-2009, 06:24 PM
This blurb makes no sense, Orton and Simms are out and they know this 9 days prior to the game and yet they cut Martin so they'll play with one QB...

I'm not buying any of it.

Bronx33
09-04-2009, 06:26 PM
This blurb makes so sense, Orton and Simms are out and they know this 9 days prior to the game and yet they cut Martin so they'll play with one QB...

I'm not buying any of it.


Iam thinking obamas PR team is involved somehow.

broncosteven
09-04-2009, 06:30 PM
Iam thinking obamas PR team is involved somehow.

Maybe it was the same Bronco PR guy that told the players not to comment on Marshalls court case.

Popps
09-04-2009, 06:35 PM
DAMN. I knew it was too good to be true.....It makes TOO MUCH SENSE for it to be true.

Figured.




This would be front-page Denver news, if true.

FireFly
09-04-2009, 06:42 PM
He's a lot more talented that BVP. I'm not saying he's the future necessarily, but BVP was NEVER an NFL qb

Mad hating on BVP - I remember more than a few people 'round here who were calling for him to get a start after some solid preseason performances :afro:

Hogan11
09-04-2009, 06:46 PM
Mad hating on BVP - I remember more than a few people 'round here who were calling for him to get a start after some solid preseason performances :afro:

BVP had some solid performances? ???

broncswin
09-04-2009, 08:02 PM
it should be, after all the last qb that wore that number had an arm stronger then elway.

oh snap!!^5

KevinJames
09-04-2009, 08:10 PM
This is BS

I think they are kind of just taking a guess on this one.

since when does CBS sports have all the inside info?

jacob2125
09-04-2009, 09:19 PM
You know what? **** it. I'm all in. I hope they start him. Fire up this thing and let's see what happens.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ym8Q9yxUg34/RjaSjRfqVEI/AAAAAAAAAGM/f6t8ihxAOkU/s400/crashburn.jpg

listopencil
09-04-2009, 09:21 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ym8Q9yxUg34/RjaSjRfqVEI/AAAAAAAAAGM/f6t8ihxAOkU/s400/crashburn.jpg



:rofl:

ZONA
09-05-2009, 01:11 AM
I think we are going to see a heavy dose of The Juggernaut in this game.....oh yeah baby !!!


Calling it now. Hillis is going to rack up 120 yards rushing and 60 yards receiving.


http://www.nikegames.net/zona/Misc/Broncos/hillis5.jpg

SouthStndJunkie
09-05-2009, 01:42 AM
Citizens....

There has to be a typo in that sentence.

Martin is a free agent who signed after No. 2 quarterback Chris Simms sprained an ankle two weeks ago. Starter Kyle Orton has an injured finger, and neither can play in the opener at Cincinnati next week. Rookie Tom Brandstater is expected to start.

It should say...."and IF neither can play in the opener at Cincinnati next week. Rookie Tom Brandstater is expected to start."

C130Herkload
09-05-2009, 02:26 AM
You're here for a reason kid...SH*t or get off the pot. Man the phu*k up and lead the team. Im all in. I've said it before... Orton just aint the answer. Nice thought, but its time.

Atwater His Ass
09-05-2009, 02:51 AM
You're here for a reason kid...SH*t or get off the pot. Man the phu*k up and lead the team. Im all in. I've said it before... Orton just aint the answer. Nice thought, but its time.

lol

JJJ
09-05-2009, 03:06 AM
Rookie, first NFL game, on the road. What could go wrong?

Defense had better be ready to pitch a shutout.

I wouldn't worry. If there is one team in the league that could find a way to bungle this perfect opportunity you have presented them on opening day it is the Bengals.

Borks147
09-05-2009, 05:29 AM
Citizens....

There has to be a typo in that sentence.

Martin is a free agent who signed after No. 2 quarterback Chris Simms sprained an ankle two weeks ago. Starter Kyle Orton has an injured finger, and neither can play in the opener at Cincinnati next week. Rookie Tom Brandstater is expected to start.

It should say...."and IF neither can play in the opener at Cincinnati next week. Rookie Tom Brandstater is expected to start."

your theory would necessitate that a period magically turn into a comma and "R" turn into "r"

_Oro_
09-05-2009, 05:56 AM
This off season has actually been a huge string of typos. Don't worry Shanny is still our
coach and Cutler is going to be suiting up against Cinci on Sunday.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-05-2009, 06:02 AM
This off season has actually been a huge string of typos. Don't worry Shanny is still our
coach and Cutler is going to be suiting up against Cinci on Sunday.

I laughed. REP. :thumbsup:

Cito Pelon
09-05-2009, 06:49 AM
It's fine with me. In fact, I was hoping to hear this. I honestly think he won't do any worse than Orton or Simms. He looks like he has the goods. Plus, he'll be playing with a pretty good veteran supporting cast that he's been taking all the snaps with for a couple weeks now. And, he's been taking plenty of snaps with the backups also during TC.

SouthStndJunkie
09-05-2009, 07:18 AM
your theory would necessitate that a period magically turn into a comma and "R" turn into "r"

It was a poorly worded article to begin with.

If Brandstater were going to start, this would be widely reported by now.

It is either that, or the article is just wrong.

Cito Pelon
09-05-2009, 07:58 AM
What exactly make you think he is talented? Because he was successful against guy that are about to be cut and facing base defenses?

I think he's the real deal. Sure it was just PS, but he had the O clicking against CHI's starting D and AZ's starting D. They were blitzing, it wasn't base D. Of course he's not a polished product yet, but all the tools are there. Given the chance to step into the starter's shoes, he looked very good for a rookie.

Also, something I think will help him is he's worked with every player on the roster now. All the backups as well as the starters.

He has excellent mechanics, moves well, doesn't throw it up for grabs which is a big deal, has good accuracy, has a good arm, throws well on the run, knows the playbook. What's not to like?

WolfpackGuy
09-05-2009, 08:05 AM
I feel better with the kid than I do with that no talent assclown Orton.

Chris
09-05-2009, 08:18 AM
Some of you are ridiculous. Orton has never even played a full game or a regular season game or a game with all his weapons and yet you're instantly experts. There's a reason you don't work in the NFL.

Cito Pelon
09-05-2009, 08:20 AM
:rofl:

It was a dislocation that jammed through the skin of his finger. You couldn't pick your nose 2 weeks after such an injury, let alone throw a football.

No kidding. It was pouring blood in seconds. It was obvious stitches would be needed at the least, then we hear it was the knuckle that broke the skin. Not to mention possible tendon problems since it was the underside of the finger. Four weeks minimum.

Atwater His Ass
09-05-2009, 08:34 AM
Some of you are ridiculous. Orton has never even played a full game or a regular season game or a game with all his weapons and yet you're instantly experts. There's a reason you don't work in the NFL.

it's called a message board

footstepsfrom#27
09-05-2009, 08:35 AM
Some of you are ridiculous. Orton has never even played a full game or a regular season game or a game with all his weapons and yet you're instantly experts. There's a reason you don't work in the NFL.
We want to do something meaningful?

Orton's had two full years in which people could watch him. Nothing he's done here indicates he's progressed beyond where he was in Chicago. His primary quality seems to be that he's not Jay Cutler.

NYBronco
09-05-2009, 08:39 AM
Some of you are ridiculous. Orton has never even played a full game or a regular season game or a game with all his weapons and yet you're instantly experts. There's a reason you don't work in the NFL.

It won't make any difference to some how positive Orton may be for this team. Orton has the unfortunate circumstance to be connected to the great Jay Cutler as with McDaniels and Shanahan.

Hamrob
09-05-2009, 09:04 AM
This is crap. I'll believe it when I see it in the DP or from Shefter.

Although, personally, I'd rather play Tom than Kyle. At least Tom is atheletic and has a strong arm. Kyle is like a watered down Brian Griese. If you're extremely kind, he's a poor man's Trent Dilfer.

I would certainly have more empethy for a kid with talent making mistakes, then Orton, who has no business being a starter in the NFL. And for all you nim-cum-poops who cite his 21-12 record. Isn't it amazing what a good defense can do for a team?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-05-2009, 09:06 AM
Some of you are ridiculous. Orton has never even played a full game or a regular season game or a game with all his weapons and yet you're instantly experts. There's a reason you don't work in the NFL.

Mine is a restraining order. What's your reason?

Dedhed
09-05-2009, 09:12 AM
I've seen nothing from Orton that makes me think that we shouldn't see if we have a future with Brandstater.

Chris
09-05-2009, 09:16 AM
Mine is a restraining order. What's your reason?

I've had an open dislocation on my finger since birth.

Chris
09-05-2009, 09:17 AM
I've seen nothing from Orton that makes me think that we shouldn't see if we have a future with Brandstater.

Right but the coaches have seen every play of every practice and work with him off the field as well. Don't you think you ought to wait until you see a real game or two before coming to any judgments?

MAN SHYEEEEEEEET.

TheDave
09-05-2009, 09:17 AM
Those of you cheering for Brandstater to start better be real comfortable with 2-14... This kid is VERY raw.

Look at it this way ... 6-5, 230lbs, good mobility, and a very good arm... yet he lasted until the 6th round of an incredibly ****ty draft.

As for me I'm hoping this report isn't true and either Simms or Orton can go.

MVP-06
09-05-2009, 09:18 AM
looks like it should say "if" neither can start

rovolution
09-05-2009, 09:18 AM
The legend begins!


Tom Bra....dy


http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Tom-Brady-Photograph-C13239851.jpeg


Tom Bra...ndstater

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090831/capt.2cc84ed9354c4c6b94196180c1a24c41.bears_bronco s_football_coea112.jpg

chex
09-05-2009, 09:20 AM
Those of you cheering for Brandstater to start better be real comfortable with 2-14... This kid is VERY raw.

Look at it this way ... 6-5, 230lbs, good mobility, and a very good arm... yet he lasted until the 6th round of an incredibly ****ty draft.

As for me I'm hoping this report isn't true and either Simms or Orton can go.

Eh, Brady lasted late too. Guys like Tee Martin and Giovanni Carmazzi went before him. Not exactly a great year for QB's to put it mildly. So, you never know.

Natedogg
09-05-2009, 09:23 AM
Right but the coaches have seen every play of every practice and work with him off the field as well. Don't you think you ought to wait until you see a real game or two before coming to any judgments?

MAN SHYEEEEEEEET.

These are the same people clamoring for Jarius Jackson.

Grass is greener on the other side.

footstepsfrom#27
09-05-2009, 09:24 AM
I bet it never dawned on this kid in college how much he'd have to live up to because his name is Tom Bra_______. Good thing he's not named John Elwood.

TheDave
09-05-2009, 09:25 AM
Eh, Brady lasted late too. Guys like Tee Martin and Giovanni Carmazzi went before him. Not exactly a great year for QB's to put it mildly. So, you never know.

What does that have to do with anything?

This kid has almost 0 chance chance of being anywhere close to Tom Brady. Start this kid and the odds are we are in for a disaster.

rovolution
09-05-2009, 09:29 AM
I bet it never dawned on this kid in college how much he'd have to live up to because his name is Tom Bra_______. Good thing he's not named John Elwood.

Not to mention being drafted by Josh McDaniels, Brady's o-coordinator and being drafted in the 6th Round, just like Brady

TheDave
09-05-2009, 09:34 AM
By the way, where are all the people that spent the last few months telling some of us that Orton was a better fit for this system than the last guy who played here?

footstepsfrom#27
09-05-2009, 09:35 AM
What does that have to do with anything?

This kid has almost 0 chance chance of being anywhere close to Tom Brady. Start this kid and the odds are we are in for a disaster.
Hey don't you know McD is responsible for Brady and turning a high school QB into Joe Montana II? ;D

Cito Pelon
09-05-2009, 09:40 AM
Those of you cheering for Brandstater to start better be real comfortable with 2-14... This kid is VERY raw.

Look at it this way ... 6-5, 230lbs, good mobility, and a very good arm... yet he lasted until the 6th round of an incredibly ****ty draft.

As for me I'm hoping this report isn't true and either Simms or Orton can go.

He didn't look "VERY raw" to me. Looked like he had good command of the O. He ran a lot of different formations. What, are you gonna be the voice of negativity about everything?

TheDave
09-05-2009, 09:44 AM
He didn't look "VERY raw" to me. Looked like he had good command of the O. He ran a lot of different formations. What, are you gonna be the voice of negativity about everything?

You obviously have no idea what you were watching... He had command of a hugely simplified offense against a vanilla base defense.

That's not being negative you twit... Thats just the facts of the situation.

Dedhed
09-05-2009, 09:44 AM
Right but the coaches have seen every play of every practice and work with him off the field as well. Don't you think you ought to wait until you see a real game or two before coming to any judgments?

Yeah, but Orton's issues that I've seen aren't coaching issues. He's been inaccurate with the ball as much as anything.

I don't think there is any chance of him starting in week 1. Whenever you can look directly at the bones in the finger of your throwing hand, I'd guess you're out for at least a few weeks.

Even if he could go, he won't be taking any practice reps. I agree that Brandstater is super raw, but he's got some tools. He's seen more reps in the last week than he has in the entire pre-season. Let's see if he shows some moxy.

footstepsfrom#27
09-05-2009, 09:49 AM
Even if all Brandstater could do was hand off and throw screens, what would we really lose by starting him?

Cito Pelon
09-05-2009, 09:57 AM
What does that have to do with anything?

This kid has almost 0 chance chance of being anywhere close to Tom Brady. Start this kid and the odds are we are in for a disaster.

You are way off base. Brandstater has the goods.

Cito Pelon
09-05-2009, 10:05 AM
You obviously have no idea what you were watching... He had command of a hugely simplified offense against a vanilla base defense.

That's not being negative you twit... Thats just the facts of the situation.

You said just as emphatically yesterday he didn't play against starting D's, so I have to question your ability to evaluate.

chex
09-05-2009, 10:06 AM
What does that have to do with anything?

This kid has almost 0 chance chance of being anywhere close to Tom Brady. Start this kid and the odds are we are in for a disaster.

Well, you mentioned Brandstater was a 6th round QB in a ****ty draft, and I provided an example of Tom Brady going in the 6th round of a QB draft class that sucked, so I said, you never know. I don't think I ever said or even implied that he would turn out to be Tom Brady, just that you can't assume any player that goes in the 6th round or later will have lousy careers.

elsid13
09-05-2009, 10:09 AM
You are way off base. Brandstater has the goods.

maybe in couple years, but he isn't ready to play right now.

TheDave
09-05-2009, 10:12 AM
You said just as emphatically yesterday he didn't play against starting D's, so I have to question your ability to evaluate.

By all means show me where I said that... You are obviously thinking of someone else.

Bronco Yoda
09-05-2009, 10:14 AM
I don't want to see Orton in there if he can't sprial a ball. I said it before and I'll say it again, I don't see how or why Orton would be starting after such an injury. It's a long season and he need's to fully heal.

And do we really want a one legged Simms?

What choice do we have?

Just saying...

footstepsfrom#27
09-05-2009, 10:23 AM
maybe in couple years, but he isn't ready to play right now.
Are you sure any of them are?

Cito Pelon
09-05-2009, 10:27 AM
Yeah, but Orton's issues that I've seen aren't coaching issues. He's been inaccurate with the ball as much as anything.

I don't think there is any chance of him starting in week 1. Whenever you can look directly at the bones in the finger of your throwing hand, I'd guess you're out for at least a few weeks.

Even if he could go, he won't be taking any practice reps. I agree that Brandstater is super raw, but he's got some tools. He's seen more reps in the last week than he has in the entire pre-season. Let's see if he shows some moxy.

I agree.

Chris
09-05-2009, 10:32 AM
When will Simms be healthy?

Tombstone RJ
09-05-2009, 10:35 AM
:rofl:

It was a dislocation that jammed through the skin of his finger. You couldn't pick your nose 2 weeks after such an injury, let alone throw a football.

Aside from Orton breaking his thumb, he damaged the most important digit on his throwing hand. Hell, Orton taking snaps is gonna be painful for a while. His grip on the ball is gonna suffer for the rest of the season.

DenverBrit
09-05-2009, 10:41 AM
Is anyone else reporting this, or is the board reacting to more 'Light Rail'?

ScottXray
09-05-2009, 10:41 AM
I agree that IF Orton isn't capable of throwing cleanly , and Simms
can't move on the Ankle sprain well , TB should start against Cinnci.

Not because he's the best QB we have , but because he's the best option available at the time. Maybe he does well, maybe not. He is very raw, and it limits the plays to what he's comfortable with
and the play selection will be limited because of that.

If McD thinks TB is capable of winning the game and is the best option then he'll start. If he has too many limits then probably Simms, unless the finger injury to Orton ISN'T as bad as has been speculated about.

I haven't seen any medical data that confirms that rumor.


As far as TB starting the rest of the way....he ISN'T ready .......yet.

Cito Pelon
09-05-2009, 10:47 AM
By all means show me where I said that... You are obviously thinking of someone else.

Could be. There's so many of you being perpetually sarcastic and negative about every little thing, you do run together.

I did a quick search for the past week, and no surprise, every single post of yours was negative, sarcastic, or sneering in nature.

RhymesayersDU
09-05-2009, 10:48 AM
Aside from Orton breaking his thumb, he damaged the most important digit on his throwing hand. Hell, Orton taking snaps is gonna be painful for a while. His grip on the ball is gonna suffer for the rest of the season.

Well if Bronco fans are going to suffer this season, Orton might as well too. Misery loves company.

TheDave
09-05-2009, 10:49 AM
Could be. There's so many of you being perpetually sarcastic and negative about every little thing, you do run together.

I did a quick search for the past week, and no surprise, every single post of yours was negative, sarcastic, or sneering in nature.

Feel free to use the ignore feature so that I do not upset your delicate sensibilities.

Popps
09-05-2009, 10:51 AM
He didn't look "VERY raw" to me. Looked like he had good command of the O. He ran a lot of different formations. What, are you gonna be the voice of negativity about everything?

His schtick is just plain tired. He used to at least be able to contribute to a discussion. Another Mopey Mafia casualty.

Hercules Rockefeller
09-05-2009, 10:54 AM
Is anyone else reporting this, or is the board reacting to more 'Light Rail'?

It's on the Internetz so it must be true, until someone else posts something new from the Internetz which says the opposite, so that must be true. Then repeat.

Critical thinking isn't the strength of this board.

Mecklomaniac
09-05-2009, 10:54 AM
Originally Posted by elsid13 View Post
So who is going to be the #2 QB? Orton or Simms?


Rod Smith...:approve:


I doubt that Orton with his "upper extremity injury" will be able to effectively throw the ball for weeks.

Sims "lower extremity injury" may be healed up well enough to play.

McKiffen has shown that he has learned the Patriot way (and even a little of the Shanny way). I would not believe anything I hear about injuries. Expect the league min req for injury reporting, half the team listed as probable, and orton and sims questionable

TheDave
09-05-2009, 10:55 AM
His schtick is just plain tired. He used to at least be able to contribute to a discussion. Another Mopey Mafia casualty.

Considering your schtick is 80% name calling and complaining about other posters... you don't have much room to talk.

colonelbeef
09-05-2009, 10:57 AM
If the Broncos play well overall but lose due to lack of quality QB play, the disappointment will only be that much harder to take.

Cito Pelon
09-05-2009, 10:58 AM
maybe in couple years, but he isn't ready to play right now.

He's ready.

BroncoInferno
09-05-2009, 10:58 AM
Considering your schtick is 80% name calling and complaining about other posters... you don't have much room to talk.

You have been pretty over-the-top with your negativity lately. And, no, extreme negativity does not equate to realism...it's just homerism on the opposite spectrum--anti-homerism if you will.

BroncoInferno
09-05-2009, 11:00 AM
If the Broncos play well overall but lose due to lack of quality QB play, the disappointment will only be that much harder to take.

If both Simms and Orton can't play effectively due to injury, what alternative is there but to start Brandstater? It's not like there are starting caliber QBs walking around without a job.

colonelbeef
09-05-2009, 11:01 AM
If both Simms and Orton can't play effectively due to injury, what alternative is there but to start Brandstater? It's not like there are starting caliber QBs walking around without a job.

Oh I understand the circumstances, I just don't have faith in the people that got us here in the first place.

elsid13
09-05-2009, 11:04 AM
He's ready.

Keep uttering that mantra when he facing a defense that disguising its coverages and stunting.

TheDave
09-05-2009, 11:04 AM
You have been pretty over-the-top with your negativity lately. And, no, extreme negativity does not equate to realism...it's just homerism on the opposite spectrum--anti-homerism if you will.

By all means show me where in this thread I'm been "overly negative"... It used to be common sense to not start 6th round rookies at QB.

Strange how it's now negative to say Kyle Orton gives us our best chance to win.

colonelbeef
09-05-2009, 11:04 AM
You have been pretty over-the-top with your negativity lately. And, no, extreme negativity does not equate to realism...it's just homerism on the opposite spectrum--anti-homerism if you will.

This is retarded.

Everyone here supports the team. There are simply fans who are able to be objective when observing the team and the way it's being handled, and there are fans who cannot grasp this concept.

I'm sure there are Lions fans who blindly agreed with every decision Matt Millen ever made for that team- they were probably calling the fans who thought the moves to be stupid fairweather, etc.

Guess who was right?

The objective fans were correct- the blind fans were morons. Same as it ever was.

TheDave
09-05-2009, 11:05 AM
Keep uttering that mantra when he facing a defense that disguising its coverages and stunting.

Stop being negative...

BroncoInferno
09-05-2009, 11:05 AM
Oh I understand the circumstances, I just don't have faith in the people that got us here in the first place.

Whether or not you like McD, you certainly can't blame him for not being able to forsee these injuries. That stuff is out of any coaches hands, and you have to adjust. I think if Brandstater has to start McD will come up with a plan that gives us a chance. But it will be tough.

BroncoInferno
09-05-2009, 11:08 AM
This is retarded.

Everyone here supports the team. There are simply fans who are able to be objective when observing the team and the way it's being handled, and there are fans who cannot grasp this concept.

I'm sure there are Lions fans who blindly agreed with every decision Matt Millen ever made for that team- they were probably calling the fans who thought the moves to be stupid fairweather, etc.

Guess who was right?

The objective fans were correct- the blind fans were morons. Same as it ever was.

Except it is not being objective to be negative about every little thing and spin it as a disaster. And most teams aren't as bad as the Lions. If you think we will be, then you are an example of the "anti-homer" I was speaking of. By "anti-homer", I don't mean bad fan, but someone who is negative about everything...just as a homer spins everything as a positive. A truly objective person sees both good and bad depending on the situation. That certainly is not you.

Hercules Rockefeller
09-05-2009, 11:08 AM
He's ready.

No 6th round QB is ready after 6 and a half quarters of preseason football.

TheDave
09-05-2009, 11:10 AM
No 6th round QB is ready after 6 and a half quarters of preseason football.

Again... stop with the goddamn negativity. :rofl:

BroncoInferno
09-05-2009, 11:10 AM
By all means show me where in this thread I'm been "overly negative"... It used to be common sense to not start 6th round rookies at QB.

Who would you start instead? Orton and Simms apparently can't go. The circumstances are what they are...do you want us to sign Jeff George?

Strange how it's now negative to say Kyle Orton gives us our best chance to win.

Not if he can't grip a football he doesn't.

ludo21
09-05-2009, 11:10 AM
I dont like much of anything the Broncos have done since January, but I tell my friends were going 10-6.. am I a hypocrite?

Cito Pelon
09-05-2009, 11:11 AM
I agree that IF Orton isn't capable of throwing cleanly , and Simms
can't move on the Ankle sprain well , TB should start against Cinnci.

Not because he's the best QB we have , but because he's the best option available at the time. Maybe he does well, maybe not. He is very raw, and it limits the plays to what he's comfortable with
and the play selection will be limited because of that.

If McD thinks TB is capable of winning the game and is the best option then he'll start. If he has too many limits then probably Simms, unless the finger injury to Orton ISN'T as bad as has been speculated about.

I haven't seen any medical data that confirms that rumor.


As far as TB starting the rest of the way....he ISN'T ready .......yet.

The thing is, they didn't limit the plays nor the formations when Brandstater was in. They put a lot in. Playaction, rollouts, 2 TE's, empty backfield, shotgun, under center. I didn't see any limitation at all. And he had most of the big pass plays of the preseason. He looks downfield and has the arm, mechanics and accuracy to complete big pass plays. I'll be happy to see him start at Cincy.

elsid13
09-05-2009, 11:11 AM
Stop being negative...

Dude you can have my seat on the bus.

Brandstater might have future in NFL but I also think that he needs time to adjust to the pro game. Right now, I hope Simms is ready to go and gives Denver a chance to get some early season momentum. It to bad Detroit claimed O'Connell because I would feel a little more comfortable, even when he struggled

BroncoInferno
09-05-2009, 11:12 AM
Again... stop with the goddamn negativity. :rofl:

Of course it's correct to say he isn't ready...you described it as a disaster of epic proportions. I don't think it will be that bad. McD will come up with a game plan to account for Brandstater's lack of experience. I am not saying it doesn't put us in an undesirable position, but it's not impossible to win in these circumstances, especially on a one game basis.

TheDave
09-05-2009, 11:17 AM
Who would you start instead? Orton and Simms apparently can't go. The circumstances are what they are...do you want us to sign Jeff George?



Not if he can't grip a football he doesn't.

IF neither can start then obviously we don't have a choice (this article is a long way from a definitive answer).

and thats why I said several times "Let's hope this is not true"

that's not being negative that is by definition being "Hopeful"

My hope is that an experienced Kyle Orton or Chris Simms can play over a 6th round Rookie... Again that not negative or "Anti-Homeristic" or what ever other stupid catch phrase you want to attach to it. It a realistic look at what will give us the best chance to win.

That kind of logic use to work around here... not sure what happened.

Darkdoc
09-05-2009, 11:19 AM
Not if he can't grip a football he doesn't.


Rumor is that Orton has been practicing with his left hand. It's been going better than McD originally hoped.

Several people have suggested he doesn't exactly look like a girl throwing, just sort of.

footstepsfrom#27
09-05-2009, 11:19 AM
I'm still waiting for this super complicated offense to appear that only Orton can master. So far I've seen about 40 screen passes and a few slants and short crossing routes. When you factor out the multiple sets and motion...what's so ingeneous about this? Facing an entire season of having Orton nursing a bad finger on the same throwing hand that's already tossed 4 picks in about 1.5 games, I think we're no worse off just because a rookie is handing it off and throwing 8 yard passes. In fact if I was looking for an offense a rookie could minimize his mistakes in, this would be it.

I think the story's false...it's to early for them to name a starter anyway and why would McD do so this early when he's loath even to say who is injured? But if neither Orton or Simms can go...I don't think the kid will lose the game for us.

Popps
09-05-2009, 11:25 AM
extreme negativity does not equate to realism.

This.

Cito Pelon
09-05-2009, 11:33 AM
His schtick is just plain tired. He used to at least be able to contribute to a discussion. Another Mopey Mafia casualty.

Agreed. There's so many leg-jerk reactions around here nowadays. Just automatic negativity to any little thing.

TheDave
09-05-2009, 11:39 AM
Of course it's correct to say he isn't ready...you described it as a disaster of epic proportions. I don't think it will be that bad. McD will come up with a game plan to account for Brandstater's lack of experience. I am not saying it doesn't put us in an undesirable position, but it's not impossible to win in these circumstances, especially on a one game basis.

First I don't believe I used the phrase "Disaster of epic proportions"... but even If I did... So what?

Back before this board got over run with amazing amounts of stupid, it use to be considered "Bad" when an NFL team lost their 1st and 2nd string QBs to injury and were forced to start a 6th round rookie on opening day.

Hell, their was a time when most fans would consider such a loss a "disaster"

Sorry BI, I will try and improve how I express myself and go around using euphemisms such as "Undesirable"

TheDave
09-05-2009, 11:43 AM
This.

Seriously Popps show me the bright side in this... (assuming this article is true)

We trade a top 10 QB

Our Back-up QB gets injured

Our new Journeyman QB gets injured

We are left with a 6th round rookie...

Where is the positive spin in this?

TheDave
09-05-2009, 11:46 AM
Agreed. There's so many leg-jerk reactions around here nowadays. Just automatic negativity to any little thing.

Losing your top 2 QB's before opening day is a little thing?

You guys are awesome... Hilarious!

tsiguy96
09-05-2009, 11:49 AM
I'm still waiting for this super complicated offense to appear that only Orton can master. So far I've seen about 40 screen passes and a few slants and short crossing routes. When you factor out the multiple sets and motion...what's so ingeneous about this? Facing an entire season of having Orton nursing a bad finger on the same throwing hand that's already tossed 4 picks in about 1.5 games, I think we're no worse off just because a rookie is handing it off and throwing 8 yard passes. In fact if I was looking for an offense a rookie could minimize his mistakes in, this would be it.

I think the story's false...it's to early for them to name a starter anyway and why would McD do so this early when he's loath even to say who is injured? But if neither Orton or Simms can go...I don't think the kid will lose the game for us.

agree 100%. orton never run any of this "super complicated offense" they are talking about. he never moved the ball downfield or led to consistent scoring drives. brandstater literally ran plays from every single formation possible (close to it) thursday. under center, shotgun, 2, 3, and 4 wide, 2 TE, 2 backs. go watch it. orton ran screen after screen and if he did move downfield it was 10 yards.

brandstater throws a better downfield ball than weve seen in denver for awhile, his pass to mckinley in the end zone was absolutely beautiful. keep in mind, nearly every one of his drives against starting defenses was successful. the fact that you guys keep saying "6th round rookie" in such a negative light is ridiculous and ignores reality, that his play was above average. maybe its just preseason and everything will come to gether in the real season for orton or simms, but brandstater moved the ball better than anyone else in any situation. instead of using your sean hannity talking points, try watching him play and analyzing it. there is no evidence of his knowledge or installation of the playbook. given he graduated in 3.5 years and started working on his masters as well as learning 4 playbooks in 4 years, i think hes perfectly capable of understanding it.

Cito Pelon
09-05-2009, 11:55 AM
Considering your schtick is 80% name calling and complaining about other posters... you don't have much room to talk.

You don't have to go rabid over every little thing, Dave. Jeez, just relax a little bit. You think it's fun to read you sneering at every little thing? You're surprised you get jumped on? Please.

Cito Pelon
09-05-2009, 12:04 PM
If both Simms and Orton can't play effectively due to injury, what alternative is there but to start Brandstater? It's not like there are starting caliber QBs walking around without a job.

The alternative is to sneer at Brandstater I guess.

TheDave
09-05-2009, 12:07 PM
You don't have to go rabid over every little thing, Dave. Jeez, just relax a little bit. You think it's fun to read you sneering at every little thing? You're surprised you get jumped on? Please.

Suprised by you and popps do another drive by posting... no not really.

Cito Pelon
09-05-2009, 12:12 PM
Keep uttering that mantra when he facing a defense that disguising its coverages and stunting.

Yeah, yeah, I'll just watch and see how he sucks, yeah, that's right, I'll just have to watch and see how he sucks, 'cause he'll suck, yeah. Yeah, I'll see, yeah, 'cause a rookie always sucks, that's just how it is, yeah. 6TH ROUND ROOKIE NOBODY ELSE WANTED!!! Yeah, so he'll suck, no doubt about it, yeah. INA **** YEAR!!!! So he'll suck, sure. Hilarious!

Cito Pelon
09-05-2009, 12:26 PM
No 6th round QB is ready after 6 and a half quarters of preseason football.

He's ready. I don't know how it can be more obvious. On this team, at this time, he's ready. If the OL can protect him, he's ready. If the running game can be somewhat productive and I'm sure it will, he's ready. Brandstater can and will stretch the field with accuracy, has all the tools, is big strong, mobile, doesn't throw it up for grabs, he's ready.

ludo21
09-05-2009, 12:37 PM
I'm still waiting for this super complicated offense to appear that only Orton can master. So far I've seen about 40 screen passes and a few slants and short crossing routes. When you factor out the multiple sets and motion...what's so ingeneous about this? Facing an entire season of having Orton nursing a bad finger on the same throwing hand that's already tossed 4 picks in about 1.5 games, I think we're no worse off just because a rookie is handing it off and throwing 8 yard passes. In fact if I was looking for an offense a rookie could minimize his mistakes in, this would be it.

I think the story's false...it's to early for them to name a starter anyway and why would McD do so this early when he's loath even to say who is injured? But if neither Orton or Simms can go...I don't think the kid will lose the game for us.


Agreed, the offense has been so vanilla it is pathetic really. I hope that with a week and a half of preparation we have a good game plan and a more diverse offense.

I agree with Dave here as well, I hope that Orton or Simms is ready to go, a 6th round pick who looked good in PRESEASON is not ready for full time duty yet

Cito Pelon
09-05-2009, 12:44 PM
Dude you can have my seat on the bus.

Brandstater might have future in NFL but I also think that he needs time to adjust to the pro game. Right now, I hope Simms is ready to go and gives Denver a chance to get some early season momentum. It to bad Detroit claimed O'Connell because I would feel a little more comfortable, even when he struggled

I just don't see why you're so hell bent on negativity right now. Relax, jesus. Let's see how it plays out. It's like total condemnation before the team has even got on the plane to Cincy. Let the guys play.

Pseudofool
09-05-2009, 01:49 PM
I highly doubt that this report, esp. with cutting Ingles. That said, I don't think Brandstater is going to be nearly as effective as Orton would be--it's silly to think he is based on a few quarters of preseason, some of which he didn't look so good.

When we sign another QB to backup, then the story has some legs.

Cito Pelon
09-05-2009, 02:02 PM
Losing your top 2 QB's before opening day is a little thing?

You guys are awesome... Hilarious!

So we're supposed to start laughing? All is lost?

Some of us have some balls. We don't go into a fetal position before the opening game. Or worse, start laughing at the team before the opening game.

SportinOne
09-05-2009, 02:11 PM
Surely it has been brought up, but I'm not reading through 9 pages of argument to find out.. This makes NO sense.

McD would never go into a game with only 1 quarterback active would he?
If Tom B were starting he wouldn't have cut Ingle Martin.. unless he plans on bringing in someone else.

We either have:

A. Orton with a messed up throwing finger.

B. Simms with a hurt leg, or

C. A rookie sixth round pick.

If A = B = C, Then: Run to your nearest bookie and catch Bengals -3 while you can.

orange 4 life
09-05-2009, 02:17 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12158422


ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP) -The Denver Broncos got a head start on cuts, releasing nine players, including quarterback Ingle Martin.

The team also placed guard Matt McChesney on the reserve/injured list with a sprained ankle on Friday.

There are no surprises in the other players released: DLs Matthias Askew and Carlton Powell; OL Kory Lichtensteiger and Clint Oldenberg; CB Rashod Moulton; RB Marcus Thomas; WR Nate Swift and LB Lee Robinson.

Martin is a free agent who signed after No. 2 quarterback Chris Simms sprained an ankle two weeks ago. Starter Kyle Orton has an injured finger, and neither can play in the opener at Cincinnati next week. Rookie Tom Brandstater is expected to start.

The Broncos must get down to 53 players Saturday.

I pray this isn't true, and I would say it doesn't make much sense.

If Brandstater was expected to start, don't you think coach would've played the starters more Thursday to get them in a rhythm?

Also, if Orton and Simms won't be ready, then why cut Martin?

Something about this story doesn't make sense.

footstepsfrom#27
09-05-2009, 02:21 PM
I highly doubt that this report, esp. with cutting Ingles. That said, I don't think Brandstater is going to be nearly as effective as Orton would be--it's silly to think he is based on a few quarters of preseason, some of which he didn't look so good.

When we sign another QB to backup, then the story has some legs.
Well if Ingles passes waivers we could resign him to the PS or if NE cuts somebody we could sign them. But your point is well taken, we have to go into the Cincy game with at least two QB's who can can play if needed.

orange 4 life
09-05-2009, 02:26 PM
id like to say that it matters, but im not sure it really does.

Just don't understand the doom and gloom.

Orton looks like he has a good understanding of the offense and seems to be a solid leader who has no problem taking criticism and shouldering blame.
Like a Chicago reporter once said, this is a guy that could lose every game 36-35 and he'd still take all the blame. THAT'S a guy I want on my team.

As for the REST of the team, is there ANYONE here that doesn't think we're improved?
Champ is back healthy, DJ and Elvis look comfortable in new roles, Dawkins is a HUGE addition, and the new scheme looks good.

On offense, if Marshall comes back (of course still a big "if") we have the same solid group from last year PLUS the addition of Gaffney.
Our line is still one of the best, Scheffler is healthy, and our backs (Hillis most notably) are healthy.
If Moreno is HALF the back he's supposed to be, our offense is improved over the one that lit it up last year.

Sure, qb is a very important position, but I think Orton is alot better than people think.
No, he doesn't have Cutler like talent, but he ALSO doesn't have Cutler's attitude and lack of heart.

listopencil
09-05-2009, 02:28 PM
Even if all Brandstater could do was hand off and throw screens, what would we really lose by starting him?


Shhhhhhhh! Stop giving away our game plans. Anybody could be reading this...

Chris
09-05-2009, 02:30 PM
We will win the figurative "Buffalo" game this year.

orange 4 life
09-05-2009, 02:40 PM
This is crap. I'll believe it when I see it in the DP or from Shefter.

Although, personally, I'd rather play Tom than Kyle. At least Tom is atheletic and has a strong arm. Kyle is like a watered down Brian Griese. If you're extremely kind, he's a poor man's Trent Dilfer.

I would certainly have more empethy for a kid with talent making mistakes, then Orton, who has no business being a starter in the NFL. And for all you nim-cum-poops who cite his 21-12 record. Isn't it amazing what a good defense can do for a team?

....and YOU doom and gloomers (who can't even wait to see him in a regular season game and ignore the way he moved the offense in the 1st two games) forget that he had a TERRIBLE offense around him compared to what he has now.

Bottom line is at least he's a hard nosed leader that WANTS to shoulder the weight of the team.
He could've tried to run it in on 4th down of game two (or better yet have Gaffney make the play on 3rd down) and he would've had a near flawless game on paper.
He knew it was preseason, and he knew it was 4th down. He also knew many of the fans would crucify him for it, but he still took a chance. Personally, I like that he's not worried about what people like you will say.

Give the man a chance, he just might surprise you.

ScottXray
09-05-2009, 02:44 PM
This is retarded.

Everyone here supports the team. There are simply fans who are able to be objective when observing the team and the way it's being handled, and there are fans who cannot grasp this concept.

I'm sure there are Lions fans who blindly agreed with every decision Matt Millen ever made for that team- they were probably calling the fans who thought the moves to be stupid fairweather, etc.

Guess who was right?

The objective fans were correct- the blind fans were morons. Same as it ever was.

No one is correct yet, CB. After the Season you can make claims, but before a regular season snap is done it is your opinion. Your'e as RIGHT and WRONG as EVERYBODY here. I get tired of all the "experts" here that are making their claims of how they KNOW everything
that is Going to happen.

You should call yourself Colonel Kreskin!

orange 4 life
09-05-2009, 02:48 PM
Who would you start instead? Orton and Simms apparently can't go. The circumstances are what they are...do you want us to sign Jeff George?

Not if he can't grip a football he doesn't.

What would I do?

TAPE THE DAMN THING UP!!!!!
I don't care if the bone is STILL sticking out. Walk it off big guy!!

And if he can't play, we could try forfeiting?

Okay, so I'm kidding, but I'm terrified if TB has to start, and I'm cautiously optimistic if Orton can come back healthy.

TheDave
09-05-2009, 03:22 PM
So we're supposed to start laughing? All is lost?

Some of us have some balls. We don't go into a fetal position before the opening game. Or worse, start laughing at the team before the opening game.

No you just bitch and moan when someone calls it like it is...

and "having balls" doesn't change the fact that losing our top 2 QB's would be a disaster

Cito Pelon
09-05-2009, 03:39 PM
IF neither can start then obviously we don't have a choice (this article is a long way from a definitive answer).

and thats why I said several times "Let's hope this is not true"

that's not being negative that is by definition being "Hopeful"

My hope is that an experienced Kyle Orton or Chris Simms can play over a 6th round Rookie... Again that not negative or "Anti-Homeristic" or what ever other stupid catch phrase you want to attach to it. It a realistic look at what will give us the best chance to win.

That kind of logic use to work around here... not sure what happened.

Honestly, you're pretty much full of road apples, Dave. Give it a rest. Brandstater has the goods. He'll be the starter because he's the best QB.

TheDave
09-05-2009, 03:45 PM
Honestly, you're pretty much full of road apples, Dave. Give it a rest. Brandstater has the goods. He'll be the starter because he's the best QB.

You're full of "Road Apples" and he has "The Goods".


No way I can argue with that kind of analysis... You win.

Houshyamama
09-05-2009, 03:48 PM
I'm cool with this. I liked what I saw from him

baja
09-05-2009, 03:53 PM
So we're supposed to start laughing? All is lost?

Some of us have some balls. We don't go into a fetal position before the opening game. Or worse, start laughing at the team before the opening game.

That's your definition of having balls, not going into a fetal position over a football game.

We have become a nation of Nancy boys. God help us should things get rough in this country like many predict.

Cito Pelon
09-05-2009, 04:21 PM
That's your definition of having balls, not going into a fetal position over a football game.

We have become a nation of Nancy boys. God help us should things get rough in this country like many predict.

Give it a rest, stud.

Cito Pelon
09-05-2009, 04:26 PM
You're full of "Road Apples" and he has "The Goods".


No way I can argue with that kind of analysis... You win.

Finally. Jeez, I thought you would never see the light. Thank god. I thought this might go on for years. :)

tsiguy96
09-05-2009, 05:19 PM
No you just b**** and moan when someone calls it like it is...

and "having balls" doesn't change the fact that losing our top 2 QB's would be a disaster

fact: calling it like it is does not equal saying that all hope is lost, we suck, seasons over. constant doom and gloom does not equal reality. in fact i dont really know what it equals....

TheDave
09-05-2009, 05:25 PM
fact: calling it like it is does not equal saying that all hope is lost, we suck, seasons over. constant doom and gloom does not equal reality. in fact i dont really know what it equals....

Try to stay on topic junior...

We are talking about the potential loss of our top 2 QB's prior to the season opener...

Calling that a serious problem isn't "all hope is lost, we suck, seasons over. constant doom and gloom... blah, blah, blah. "

It's calling it like it is...

listopencil
09-05-2009, 05:29 PM
fact: calling it like it is does not equal saying that all hope is lost, we suck, seasons over. constant doom and gloom does not equal reality. in fact i dont really know what it equals....


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tsiguy96
09-05-2009, 05:30 PM
Try to stay on topic junior...

We are talking about the potential loss of our top 2 QB's prior to the season opener...

Calling that a serious problem isn't "all hope is lost, we suck, seasons over. constant doom and gloom... blah, blah, blah. "

It's calling it like it is...

i agree losing your top 2 QBs is a huge blow to start the season. however in this case, when the #3 appears to be playing better than the first 2 (who happen to be kyle orton and chris simms) it may not be such a huge loss after all. it is still preseason so maybe tom b would implode in a regular season game, but given our other prospects for QB and what they have shown thus far in preseason, to see a young guy play so well in preseason and give life to an offense that was dead the first 2.5 games, its not a bad thing at all.

listopencil
09-05-2009, 05:31 PM
We're playing football, Charlie!

Yeah. Football.

We're gonna win Charlie, we're gonna win all of our games!

Yeah, charlie. Don't be so mopey!

Mopey, Charlie. We don't need a QB.

Yeah, Charlie. We don't need a QB Charlie!

We're gonna win the Superbowl.

The Superbowl, Charlie!

baja
09-05-2009, 05:34 PM
I don't think it would be a disaster either I would like to see what he can do. It is not cast in stone that the kid MUST sit for two seasons in order to play at an acceptable level, it has happened before.

tsiguy96
09-05-2009, 05:37 PM
I don't think it would be a disaster either I would like to see what he can do. It is not cast in stone that the kid MUST sit for two seasons in order to play at an acceptable level, it has happened before.

joe flacco and matt ryan scored more points than us last year with less offensive talent. we can start a rookie too.

Rohirrim
09-05-2009, 05:37 PM
Somebody give me the summary of this thread. What was the final outcome? Is BS the starter? For real. Absolutement?

TheDave
09-05-2009, 05:42 PM
Somebody give me the summary of this thread. What was the final outcome? Is BS the starter? For real. Absolutement?

Don't know... One crappy sentence on CBS has led to this.

Now obviously a bad high ankle sprain and a open dislocation to you index finger tells us it's possible... But nothing is 100%.

Rohirrim
09-05-2009, 05:44 PM
Don't know... One crappy sentence on CBS has led to this.

Now obviously a bad high ankle sprain and a open dislocation to you index finger tells us it's possible... But nothing is 100%.

Oh! So this is a standard OM speculationpalooza?

Carry on.

TheDave
09-05-2009, 05:45 PM
Oh! So this is a standard OM speculationpalooza?

Carry on.

Yep...

listopencil
09-05-2009, 05:46 PM
Oh! So this is a standard OM speculationpalooza?

Carry on.

We're gonna cut Simms and sign Garcia to back up Brandy. Orton is now the #3.

baja
09-05-2009, 05:49 PM
link?

baja
09-05-2009, 05:51 PM
Jones;



Lindsay Jones -greggrosenthal Heck if I know. I've been bugging the PR dept and they claim not to have it yet. Sigh. 09-06


Broncos holding on to the cut list before it officially passes through the NFL. So there you go. 09-06

Rohirrim
09-05-2009, 05:52 PM
That freshman USC QB looked pretty good today. Can we bring him in?

~Crash~
09-05-2009, 07:26 PM
wow. Tom B, SB Elway performance please? You can do it!

you mean hand the football to Td ?

~Crash~
09-05-2009, 07:32 PM
You're full of "Road Apples" and he has "The Goods".


No way I can argue with that kind of analysis... You win.

Are they frozen Road Apples ? if so at all cost stay the hell away I damn hear broke my neck hitting them one day driving.

Cito Pelon
09-05-2009, 08:01 PM
Are they frozen Road Apples ? if so at all cost stay the hell away I damn hear broke my neck hitting them one day driving.

You must have been riding a bicycle to damn near break your neck hitting a frozen road apple.

Gort
09-05-2009, 08:06 PM
Brandstater > BVP