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Elway777
09-03-2009, 01:02 PM
People who are fighting for a job.
Jarvis Moss vs Tim Crowder, I think one is these players will make the team . I think Crowder will be the one. I think the Broncos will keep 9 linebacker .

Secondary battle will be ,Josh Bell and Johnson and Barnett. I think Josh Bell and Johnson get cut with Barnett making the team as a special teams player. Johnson should be signed to practice Squad. The Broncos will only keep 9 defensive backs because have to carry 3 or 4 Qb with injuries to Orton and Simms.

Defensive Line , The broncos might only keep 6 because of our Qb situation. Clemens and Powell battling it out for 7 spot in case Broncos decide to keep 7. Look for Powell to be signed to Practice squad.

Qb , Martain and Bradsraiter fighting it out for 3 sting. The Broncos also might keep 4 Qb intil Orton and Simms are healthy.

Rb Jordon and Walker could also be playing for a job tonight

Wr I think Jackson and Lloyd are also fighting for a job.

Bronx33
09-03-2009, 01:13 PM
Exactly so i hope to god people don't come on later and start crying about play selecton but iam guessing lex will come through like he always does.

uplink
09-03-2009, 01:15 PM
-Seems Moss and Crowder will both be gone (has Crowder played in the preseason?)
-Would be silly to cut Lloyd, he is talented enough to be a starter in this league IMO.
Plus there will be more Wrs than usual on this team.
-Bet they will keep 5 CBs' rather than 5 safeties so doesn't look good for Barrett.
-Clemons is way ahead of Powell IMO.
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Bronco Yoda
09-03-2009, 01:18 PM
I can't believe Moss is fighting for his life tonight...well, I can.... we all can... what a waste. Didn't we trade up for this guy. Unbelievable!

peacepipe
09-03-2009, 01:23 PM
I'm going to out on a limb & say simms gets cut. fair or not fair he has not been playing.

dbfan21
09-03-2009, 01:26 PM
I'm going to out on a limb & say simms gets cut. fair or not fair he has not been playing.

No way Simms gets cut. With Orton's finger, he is too valuable. The recent reports have stated he could probably start in Cincinnati if Orton is still unable to go.

MVP-06
09-03-2009, 01:32 PM
I thought Crowder was transitioning well to olb according to reports but ive yet to see him make a play

Moss needs to be let go, he just doesn't fit
Clemons > Powell
Bell > Johnson
Barrett gets cut

BlaK-Argentina
09-03-2009, 01:33 PM
I'm going to out on a limb & say simms gets cut. fair or not fair he has not been playing.

No freaking way.

Bronx33
09-03-2009, 01:35 PM
No freaking way.


I agree why would they cut him since he has the 2nd most nfl experience ( on the team)

Bronco Yoda
09-03-2009, 01:40 PM
If what they say about Ortons finger is true. He may be out longer than expected. I'm betting Simms will start at least one game starting off.

MVP-06
09-03-2009, 01:43 PM
If what they say about Ortons finger is true. He may be out longer than expected. I'm betting Simms will start at least one game starting off.

espn news said yesterday that we expect Orton to be ready for opener

Mr. Elway
09-03-2009, 01:49 PM
People who are fighting for a job.
Jarvis Moss vs Tim Crowder, I think one is these players will make the team . I think Crowder will be the one. I think the Broncos will keep 9 linebacker .

Secondary battle will be ,Josh Bell and Johnson and Barnett. I think Josh Bell and Johnson get cut with Barnett making the team as a special teams player. Johnson should be signed to practice Squad. The Broncos will only keep 9 defensive backs because have to carry 3 or 4 Qb with injuries to Orton and Simms.

Defensive Line , The broncos might only keep 6 because of our Qb situation. Clemens and Powell battling it out for 7 spot in case Broncos decide to keep 7. Look for Powell to be signed to Practice squad.

Qb , Martain and Bradsraiter fighting it out for 3 sting. The Broncos also might keep 4 Qb intil Orton and Simms are healthy.

Rb Jordon and Walker could also be playing for a job tonight

Wr I think Jackson and Lloyd are also fighting for a job.

There should be no spaces before commas and periods, only afterwards. You can opt for a double space following a period although that is stylistically passe and I recommend against it.

Other than that, nice job, I enjoyed reading your thoughts and I agree we will not be cutting any QBs.

:yayaya:

Vegas_Bronco
09-03-2009, 01:52 PM
Funny to see those that were drafted after Moss:

<table class="grid" align="center" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td>17</td> <td>DEN (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=DEN)</td> <td>Jarvis Moss, DE, Florida (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1178)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>18</td> <td>CIN (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=CIN)</td> <td>Leon Hall, CB, Michigan (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1161)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>19</td> <td>TEN (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=TEN)</td> <td>Michael Griffin, FS, Texas (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1177)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>20</td> <td>NYG (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=NYG)</td> <td>Aaron Ross, CB, Texas (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1179)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>21</td> <td>JAX (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=JAX)</td> <td>Reggie Nelson, FS, Florida (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1166)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>22</td> <td>CLE (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=CLE)</td> <td>Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=865)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>23</td> <td>KC (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=KC)</td> <td>Dwayne Bowe, WR, Louisiana State (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=383)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>24</td> <td>NE (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=NE)</td> <td>Brandon Meriweather, FS, Miami (Fla.) (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1167)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>25</td> <td>CAR (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=CAR)</td> <td>Jon Beason, OLB, Miami (Fla.)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>26</td> <td>DAL (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=DAL)</td> <td>Anthony Spencer, DE, Purdue</td> </tr> <tr> <td>27</td> <td>NO (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=NO)</td> <td>Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1157)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>28</td> <td>SF (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=SF)</td> <td>Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1168)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>29</td> <td>BAL (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=BAL)</td> <td>Ben Grubbs, G, Auburn (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1169)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>30</td> <td>SD (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=SD)</td> <td>Craig Davis, WR, Louisiana State</td> </tr> <tr> <td>31</td> <td>CHI (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=CHI)</td> <td>Greg Olsen, TE, Miami (Fla.) (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1156)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>32</td> <td>IND (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=IND)</td> <td>Anthony Gonzalez, WR, Ohio State (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1182)</td></tr></tbody></table>

Rough draft class to mess up on...eh boys?

bendog
09-03-2009, 02:10 PM
yeah when GB took Harrell right in front of us, the talent level took a hit. I remember that. Ironically, Spencer would probably be good fit. Not taking one of the safties was prolly drafting for position rather than strenght of talent. 5 defensive linemen in the first 16 picks and only Landry from the safties.

footstepsfrom#27
09-03-2009, 02:23 PM
I drank the Koolaid on Powell so I hope he has a good game tonight. Having a real run stuffing DE would be wonderful and his VT resume was sweet.

Punisher
09-03-2009, 02:27 PM
People who are fighting for a job.
Jarvis Moss vs Tim Crowder, I think one is these players will make the team . I think Crowder will be the one. I think the Broncos will keep 9 linebacker .

Secondary battle will be ,Josh Bell and Johnson and Barnett. I think Josh Bell and Johnson get cut with Barnett making the team as a special teams player. Johnson should be signed to practice Squad. The Broncos will only keep 9 defensive backs because have to carry 3 or 4 Qb with injuries to Orton and Simms.

Defensive Line , The broncos might only keep 6 because of our Qb situation. Clemens and Powell battling it out for 7 spot in case Broncos decide to keep 7. Look for Powell to be signed to Practice squad.

Qb , Martain and Bradsraiter fighting it out for 3 sting. The Broncos also might keep 4 Qb intil Orton and Simms are healthy.

Rb Jordon and Walker could also be playing for a job tonight

Wr I think Jackson and Lloyd are also fighting for a job.

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Punisher
09-03-2009, 02:32 PM
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Moss has 125/500 HP Left Level 10

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UberBroncoMan
09-03-2009, 02:50 PM
I agree why would they cut him since he has the 2nd most nfl experience ( on the team)

He only has 20 games played in 6 years... there are far more people not only with more game experience but years played than him.

DenverBroncosJM
09-03-2009, 03:27 PM
I'm going to out on a limb & say simms gets cut. fair or not fair he has not been playing.

Thats not a limb that a very high bridge

bowtown
09-03-2009, 03:40 PM
I'm going to out on a limb & say simms gets cut. fair or not fair he has not been playing.

You just wait until BroncoBuff gets home... tsk tsk

DelBronco
09-03-2009, 04:09 PM
Funny to see those that were drafted after Moss:

<table class="grid" align="center" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td>17</td> <td>DEN (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=DEN)</td> <td>Jarvis Moss, DE, Florida (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1178)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>18</td> <td>CIN (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=CIN)</td> <td>Leon Hall, CB, Michigan (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1161)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>19</td> <td>TEN (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=TEN)</td> <td>Michael Griffin, FS, Texas (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1177)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>20</td> <td>NYG (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=NYG)</td> <td>Aaron Ross, CB, Texas (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1179)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>21</td> <td>JAX (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=JAX)</td> <td>Reggie Nelson, FS, Florida (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1166)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>22</td> <td>CLE (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=CLE)</td> <td>Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=865)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>23</td> <td>KC (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=KC)</td> <td>Dwayne Bowe, WR, Louisiana State (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=383)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>24</td> <td>NE (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=NE)</td> <td>Brandon Meriweather, FS, Miami (Fla.) (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1167)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>25</td> <td>CAR (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=CAR)</td> <td>Jon Beason, OLB, Miami (Fla.)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>26</td> <td>DAL (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=DAL)</td> <td>Anthony Spencer, DE, Purdue</td> </tr> <tr> <td>27</td> <td>NO (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=NO)</td> <td>Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1157)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>28</td> <td>SF (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=SF)</td> <td>Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1168)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>29</td> <td>BAL (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=BAL)</td> <td>Ben Grubbs, G, Auburn (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1169)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>30</td> <td>SD (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=SD)</td> <td>Craig Davis, WR, Louisiana State</td> </tr> <tr> <td>31</td> <td>CHI (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=CHI)</td> <td>Greg Olsen, TE, Miami (Fla.) (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1156)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>32</td> <td>IND (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=IND)</td> <td>Anthony Gonzalez, WR, Ohio State (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1182)</td></tr></tbody></table>

Rough draft class to mess up on...eh boys?

Go a little further down the list and you'll see Lamar Woodley and David Harris. Jeez, what a terrible move.

tsiguy96
09-03-2009, 04:12 PM
good lord. id rather have quite literally EVERYONE on that list over moss. even meachem has provided more to his team.

maher_tyler
09-03-2009, 04:43 PM
Exactly so i hope to god people don't come on later and start crying about play selecton but iam guessing lex will come through like he always does.

Meh...i finally put my first person on ignore a few days ago..guess who it was?!

cutthemdown
09-03-2009, 04:47 PM
I bet they have mostly made up there minds who they will keep and who gets cut. They even have practice squad all figured out, and plan B for practice squad if a player you were sending there gets signed by another team.

I doubt there is much any player can do in tonights game to change the mind of a coach who has watched them all TC and preseason.

Maybe though between 1-2-3 guys at the most I would think.

Especially maybe at that safety spot with a couple new young ones, and a young one from the previous regime.

Also Moss/Crowder I guess, but I could see both being cut.

listopencil
09-03-2009, 05:42 PM
I can't believe Moss is fighting for his life tonight...well, I can.... we all can... what a waste. Didn't we trade up for this guy. Unbelievable!

Corect me if I'm wrong- Moss was a Bates guy?

lex
09-03-2009, 05:44 PM
Corect me if I'm wrong- Moss was a Bates guy?

Youre not wrong.

McDenver
09-03-2009, 05:59 PM
Funny to see those that were drafted after Moss:

<table class="grid" align="center" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td>17</td> <td>DEN (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=DEN)</td> <td>Jarvis Moss, DE, Florida (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1178)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>18</td> <td>CIN (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=CIN)</td> <td>Leon Hall, CB, Michigan (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1161)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>19</td> <td>TEN (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=TEN)</td> <td>Michael Griffin, FS, Texas (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1177)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>20</td> <td>NYG (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=NYG)</td> <td>Aaron Ross, CB, Texas (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1179)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>21</td> <td>JAX (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=JAX)</td> <td>Reggie Nelson, FS, Florida (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1166)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>22</td> <td>CLE (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=CLE)</td> <td>Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=865)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>23</td> <td>KC (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=KC)</td> <td>Dwayne Bowe, WR, Louisiana State (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=383)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>24</td> <td>NE (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=NE)</td> <td>Brandon Meriweather, FS, Miami (Fla.) (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1167)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>25</td> <td>CAR (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=CAR)</td> <td>Jon Beason, OLB, Miami (Fla.)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>26</td> <td>DAL (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=DAL)</td> <td>Anthony Spencer, DE, Purdue</td> </tr> <tr> <td>27</td> <td>NO (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=NO)</td> <td>Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1157)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>28</td> <td>SF (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=SF)</td> <td>Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1168)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>29</td> <td>BAL (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=BAL)</td> <td>Ben Grubbs, G, Auburn (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1169)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>30</td> <td>SD (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=SD)</td> <td>Craig Davis, WR, Louisiana State</td> </tr> <tr> <td>31</td> <td>CHI (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=CHI)</td> <td>Greg Olsen, TE, Miami (Fla.) (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1156)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>32</td> <td>IND (http://www.fftoolbox.com/team_page.cfm?nfl_team=IND)</td> <td>Anthony Gonzalez, WR, Ohio State (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1182)</td></tr></tbody></table>

Rough draft class to mess up on...eh boys?

I think that I just got a migrane reading this. I believe we also gave up a 3rd rounder to move up a couple of spots to get Moss. Man, I hate hindsight.;)

listopencil
09-03-2009, 06:01 PM
Youre not wrong.

...and so the Broncos continue to feel the effects of firing Larry Coyer. A piss poor decision in my mind.


I was just looking at what the Colts did in the post season during that time period other than whipping our asses:

Jan. 3, 2009 AFC Wildcard - Indianapolis 17, San Diego 23 (OT)

Jan 13, 2008 AFC Divisional - Indianapolis 24, San Diego 28

Feb. 4, 2007 - Super Bowl XLI - Indianapolis 29, Chicago 17

Jan. 21, 2007 - AFC Championship - Indianapolis 38, New England 34

Jan. 13, 2007 - AFC Divisional - Indianapolis 15, Baltimore 6

Jan. 6, 2007 - AFC Wildcard - Indianapolis 23, Kansas City 8

Jan. 15, 2006 - AFC Divisional - Pittsburgh 21, Indianapolis 18

Jan. 16, 2005 - AFC Divisional - New England 20, Indianapolis 3

Jan. 9, 2005 - AFC Wild Card - Indianapolis 49, Denver 24

Jan. 18, 2004 - AFC Championship - New England 24, Indianapolis 14

Jan. 11, 2004 - AFC Divisional - Indianapolis 38, Chiefs 31

Jan. 4, 2004 - AFC Wild Card - Indianapolis 41, Denver 10



I cut and pasted. Looks right to me but I haven't fact checked it. The pattern I see is that they were only beaten by teams that were pretty well rounded, no obvious gaping holes. Like...oh I don't know...a ****ty D-Line.

listopencil
09-03-2009, 06:06 PM
Just to rub some salt in the wound, because this franchise richly deserves it, here's an article about our D from early 2006. Before our D players started getting injured. Probably from having to cover for our O.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/15203671/ns/sports-nfl/

lex
09-03-2009, 06:10 PM
...and so the Broncos continue to feel the effects of firing Larry Coyer. A piss poor decision in my mind.


I was just looking at what the Colts did in the post season during that time period other than whipping our asses:

Jan. 3, 2009 AFC Wildcard - Indianapolis 17, San Diego 23 (OT)

Jan 13, 2008 AFC Divisional - Indianapolis 24, San Diego 28

Feb. 4, 2007 - Super Bowl XLI - Indianapolis 29, Chicago 17

Jan. 21, 2007 - AFC Championship - Indianapolis 38, New England 34

Jan. 13, 2007 - AFC Divisional - Indianapolis 15, Baltimore 6

Jan. 6, 2007 - AFC Wildcard - Indianapolis 23, Kansas City 8

Jan. 15, 2006 - AFC Divisional - Pittsburgh 21, Indianapolis 18

Jan. 16, 2005 - AFC Divisional - New England 20, Indianapolis 3

Jan. 9, 2005 - AFC Wild Card - Indianapolis 49, Denver 24

Jan. 18, 2004 - AFC Championship - New England 24, Indianapolis 14

Jan. 11, 2004 - AFC Divisional - Indianapolis 38, Chiefs 31

Jan. 4, 2004 - AFC Wild Card - Indianapolis 41, Denver 10



I cut and pasted. Looks right to me but I haven't fact checked it. The pattern I see is that they were only beaten by teams that were pretty well rounded, no obvious gaping holes. Like...oh I don't know...a ****ty D-Line.


True, but even beyond that, what was with hiring Bates to not let him run the defense and then, on top of that, replacing him with Slowik because Champ likes Slowik. Whats worse is that well qualified DC like Baters gets 7 games but Slowik gets a year and a half.

TonyR
09-03-2009, 06:16 PM
Whats worse is that well qualified DC like Baters gets 7 games but Slowik gets a year and a half.

Shanny had played the "put the blame on the DC and fire him" card too many times. Robinson, Rhodes, Coyer, Bates. Did I miss anyone? Couldn't play it again so soon with Slowik.

listopencil
09-03-2009, 06:36 PM
I've been thinking a lot about the Broncos franchise. Sort of a "What went wrong?" kind of a deal. In the last ten years or so we went from being a top flight team in the league to being somewhat crappy.

Make no mistake though, a lot of assets have been pumped into the O side of the ball. Money and draft picks, even though our Head coach was an Offensive guy. I used to wonder why, as an owner, Pat Bowlen would have an Offensive minded Head Coach and then put so many assets into that side of the ball too? When you look at it the only thing this team could have done is end up the way it did last year. Potentially red hot on O, typically lackluster on D.

I would think that if you have a guy as your HC whose obvious strength is Offense you would want to do the exact opposite. Expect him to take lesser talent and use coaching/system to make them more effective. Expect him to have an OC that is more of a QB coach. More of a level of management to help smooth communications because the HC really shouldn't need an x's and o's guy. Then load up on the D and put in a strong DC. You know- use the companies assets to shore up a weak point to bring balance and success.

What we got instead was what seemed like an annual tradition of firing the DC after Coyer. Even though he really did build a hell of a D when his players were all healthy. Even though the D never got the attention it deserved. Then an old football saying came to mind. Offense sells tickets, Defense wins championships. Think about that for a second. If you own a business and it is making money then you are a successful owner, right? If your football team is selling tickets but isn't anywhere close to a championship...you are still a successful owner even if your team can't be considered a successful team.


So if you just make some sort of move every year that looks like you are connected to the business and demanding improvement, just enough so that the fans keep shelling out the cash...bingo. You're doing all right. I mean- eventually you might have to do something more than just fire the flavor-of-the-month DC. You might have to fire that HC. You know, the Offensive minded one that was selling tickets.

Then go get another one. Because you gotta keep selling those tickets.

listopencil
09-03-2009, 06:36 PM
Shanny had played the "put the blame on the DC and fire him" card too many times. Robinson, Rhodes, Coyer, Bates. Did I miss anyone? Couldn't play it again so soon with Slowik.


Shanny or Bowlen?

orinjkrush
09-03-2009, 06:43 PM
drafting. drafting sucked. if you can't replenish the talent, you will slide vis a vis your competitors.

shanny couldn't draft his way out of a coors lite.

listopencil
09-03-2009, 06:45 PM
True, but even beyond that, what was with hiring Bates to not let him run the defense and then, on top of that, replacing him with Slowik because Champ likes Slowik. Whats worse is that well qualified DC like Baters gets 7 games but Slowik gets a year and a half.

I know. It makes no $en$e.

lex
09-03-2009, 07:06 PM
I've been thinking a lot about the Broncos franchise. Sort of a "What went wrong?" kind of a deal. In the last ten years or so we went from being a top flight team in the league to being somewhat crappy.

Make no mistake though, a lot of assets have been pumped into the O side of the ball. Money and draft picks, even though our Head coach was an Offensive guy. I used to wonder why, as an owner, Pat Bowlen would have an Offensive minded Head Coach and then put so many assets into that side of the ball too? When you look at it the only thing this team could have done is end up the way it did last year. Potentially red hot on O, typically lackluster on D.

I would think that if you have a guy as your HC whose obvious strength is Offense you would want to do the exact opposite. Expect him to take lesser talent and use coaching/system to make them more effective. Expect him to have an OC that is more of a QB coach. More of a level of management to help smooth communications because the HC really shouldn't need an x's and o's guy. Then load up on the D and put in a strong DC. You know- use the companies assets to shore up a weak point to bring balance and success.

What we got instead was what seemed like an annual tradition of firing the DC after Coyer. Even though he really did build a hell of a D when his players were all healthy. Even though the D never got the attention it deserved. Then an old football saying came to mind. Offense sells tickets, Defense wins championships. Think about that for a second. If you own a business and it is making money then you are a successful owner, right? If your football team is selling tickets but isn't anywhere close to a championship...you are still a successful owner even if your team can't be considered a successful team.


So if you just make some sort of move every year that looks like you are connected to the business and demanding improvement, just enough so that the fans keep shelling out the cash...bingo. You're doing all right. I mean- eventually you might have to do something more than just fire the flavor-of-the-month DC. You might have to fire that HC. You know, the Offensive minded one that was selling tickets.

Then go get another one. Because you gotta keep selling those tickets.



Rd Sel # Player Position School
1996 1 15 John Mobley OLB Kutztown Def
2 44 Tory James DB Louisiana State Def
3 65 Detron Smith RB Texas A&M
3 78 Mark Campbell DT Florida Def

1997 1 28 Trevor Pryce DT Clemson Def


1998 1 30 Marcus Nash WR Tennessee
2 61 Eric Brown SS Mississippi State Def
3 91 Brian Griese QB Michigan


1999 1 31 Al Wilson MLB Tennessee Def
2 58 Montae Reagor DE Texas Tech Def
2 61 Lennie Friedman C Duke
3 67 Chris Watson CB Eastern Illinois Def
3 93 Travis McGriff WR Florida

2000 1 15 Deltha O'Neal CB California Def
2 40 Ian Gold LB Michigan Def
2 45 Kenoy Kennedy SAF Arkansas Def
3 70 Chris Cole WR Texas A&M

2001 1 24 Willie Middlebrooks CB Minnesota Def
2 51 Paul Toviessi DE Marshall Def
3 87 Reggie Hayward DE Iowa State Def


2002 1 19 Ashley Lelie WR Hawaii
2 51 Clinton Portis RB Miami (Fla.)
3 96 Dorsett Davis DT Mississippi State Def

2003 1 20 George Foster T Georgia
2 51 Terry Pierce LB Kansas State Def


2004 1 17 D.J. Williams OLB Miami (Fla.) Def
2 41 Tatum Bell RB Oklahoma State
2 54 Darius Watts WR Marshall
3 85 Jeremy LeSueur CB Michigan Def


2005 2 56 Darrent Williams CB Oklahoma State Def
3 76 Karl Paymah DB Washington State Def
3 97 Domonique Foxworth CB Maryland Def
3 101 Maurice Clarett -- Ohio State

# players 33 Def 21


As you can see, it looks like 2/3 of the draft picks in the first 3 rounds beginning in 1996 were on defense. Basically, the reason the offense panned out so much mroe was because they had better coaches utilizing talent. Plus, Denver would weaken their competitive advantage (ie the running game) to help the defense, to no avail. Probably because Shanahans biggest faux pas was keeping around incompetent yes men, ranging from position coaches to GM. Sundquist was horrid at drafting. Also, if you want to look at where things went wrong, a good place to start is losing Gibbs. Again, our running game was our competitive advantage and we were willing to weaken a position of strength to compensate for guys like Sundquist by trading pieces from the running game to acquire defense.

Another thing to look at is that we assumed the philosophy of building our team from back to front. At one point in time that made a lot of sense as, when we were balanced, we were incredibly potent at scoring points. So in that regard, it made sense that we should look at stopping the pass. But still, there were a lot of CBs drafted and not only that but our offense was eventually eroded trying to fortify the defense.

listopencil
09-03-2009, 07:18 PM
Good points, Lex. You've given me a lot of food for thought by posting that horrid track record of D drafting. I'm also wondering about FA aquisition during that time period, will start looking at it after the game.

Elway777
09-03-2009, 10:54 PM
Moss played lights out tonight. Crowder also was outstanding. I still think Moss gets cut because his history of Injury. Crowder makes the team.

I think Clemons made the team tonight and maybe he should be out starter. Really played outstanding. The broncos keep 7 defensive lineman and Powell to practice Squad

Lloyd played great and should make the team. Jackson had some good plays and bad. Jackson is gone.

Walker or Jordon will be cut. The Broncos keep 4 backs because CLemons made the team tonight.

The Broncos only keep 3 QB.

I think Barnett could be cut and johnson makes the team.

footstepsfrom#27
09-03-2009, 10:58 PM
Shanny had played the "put the blame on the DC and fire him" card too many times. Robinson, Rhodes, Coyer, Bates. Did I miss anyone? Couldn't play it again so soon with Slowik.
Yeah how ironic that Slo-wit was the only one he protected when he was the worst of the bunch?

Broncobiv
09-03-2009, 11:05 PM
Jordan only got one carry tonight (for zero yards). Walker got 21 carries. So what does this mean?

A) Jordan is gonna be cut, so we gave the workload to someone who can benefit from it because they did make it.

B) Jordan already made the team, so we gave the workload to someone who needed to do something special just to make it.

orange 4 life
09-04-2009, 12:00 AM
If what they say about Ortons finger is true. He may be out longer than expected. I'm betting Simms will start at least one game starting off.

Reading this LITERALLY gave me an instant upset stomach, but fortunately I ALSO saw the post below commenting on the report that he should be ready.

Bottom line is regardless of what people think of him, HE'S the guy that took most of the 1st team snaps, HE'S the guy that has the best grasp of the offense, and HE'S the guy that has the best rapport with the other players.

We NEED him to be healthy, period.

The best sign IMHO was the lack of P.T. from the other starters tonight.
If McD thought there was a chance Brandstater would play against Cinci, you'd think he would've played the 1st teamers for awhile to get them some game time together.
The fact that we went with 2nd and 3rd teamers prettty much from jump tells me (major knock on wood here) that coach thinks Orton will be ready and therefore it's not worth it to risk injury to the other starters when they're missing their qb.

Here's to hoping, 'cause I'm here to tell you we NEED a healthy Orton to win. Just my .02.

Jake

Bronco Yoda
09-04-2009, 01:56 AM
sure, ESPN said so. Guess there's no worries then.

Remember, he cut his finger bad enough that his bone was sticking out. The very finger that last touches the ball. But all will be better in a few days.

ok

footstepsfrom#27
09-04-2009, 02:31 AM
sure, ESPN said so. Guess there's no worries then.

Remember, he cut his finger bad enough that his bone was sticking out. The very finger that last touches the ball. But all will be better in a few days.

ok
I'm trying to think of some other example of a QB with a finger cut like this to remember how long he missed...anyone? Off the cuff I see only 3 examples of QB finger injuries; Tony Romo and Mark Bulger had broken fingers, an index for Romo and the pinky for Bulger. Romo missed a month and Bulger 2 weeks. Brady Quinn broke his right index finger and played the next game, then hurt it worse and had to miss the rest of the season. Let's hope KO's issue is less than these guys.