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bloodsunday
09-03-2009, 07:41 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_13147198

A big reason the Broncos are pausing at revisiting Marshall's contract is collective bargaining rules would allow the team to recoup only a small portion of any guarantee through a "morals clause."

Because he has been previously suspended for violating the NFL's personal conduct policy, Marshall could be subject to a lengthy suspension with another off-field incident.

If the Broncos gave Marshall a similar $18.6 million guarantee [as Roddy White], they could use the morals clause to recover only $775,000 (25 percent of the prorated bonus in the particular year of his suspension).

I'm sure many of you already knew this, but I think its important to be correct in the fact of all the BS rumor mill stuff going on right now.

When people talk about the issues, they act like Denver doesn't want to give Brandon a new contract or that his "trust issues" are some how real. The reality is that Denver has never been afraid to pay a player that performs. The other reality is Brandon has no trust issues with Denver that a 18M signing bonus won't cure.

The elephant in the room is that he has NO MARGIN for error when it comes to the NFL and his off the field incidents. He has shown very poor judgment and one HAS TO ASSUME that he will stumble again at some point. And if he does, the team that holds his contract is up s**t creek. He is one 3am bar fight away from an 8 game suspension.

Dagmar
09-03-2009, 07:43 AM
I think the real issue is he's a dick.

Rohirrim
09-03-2009, 07:47 AM
Is he worth the gamble? Nope.

barryr
09-03-2009, 07:53 AM
No team in their right mind would offer Marshall a huge contract right now without at least some sort of escape clause if he does something stupid yet again.

HEAV
09-03-2009, 07:58 AM
I think the real issue is he's a dick.

That and he's a

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumb_116/1169929971Dr5568.jpg


just waiting for the chance to blow up.



If he would accept a deal that as verbage and dollars attached to his actions and ability to stay out of trouble, then everything would be fine. But Marshall wants no-strings attached contract. He wants free money with nothing keeping him on his best behavior.

He say's he doesn't trust the team... but should the team trust him?

bloodsunday
09-03-2009, 08:04 AM
No team in their right mind would offer Marshall a huge contract right now without at least some sort of escape clause if he does something stupid yet again.

But that's the point... the CBA won't allow them an escape clause.

Gort
09-03-2009, 08:04 AM
the marshall supporters say that he deserves a huge payout of guaranteed money. there's no logic in this line of thinking. marshall wants guaranteed money and is causing all of this trouble because he hasn't been given it yet. guaranteed money rewards a player for NOT performing. i'm sure the Broncos would redo marshall's deal with performance bonuses before his contract expires if that would end the drama. but he doesn't want that. what business in its right mind would agree to what marshall wants? look at how much money Bowlen still has to pay Shanny even though Shanny is no longer coach. i wish the marshall supporters would see that this isn't about paying marshall what he's worth... it's about marshall wanting to be paid regardless whether he performs or contributes from here on out. with his questionable work ethic, once he gets a contract with large amount guaranteed, can we be confident he won't get lazy and take it easy on the field?

Man-Goblin
09-03-2009, 08:04 AM
Actually, the real issue is, if they actually have the uncapped year, he can't make more than $2.9 million as a RFA. Thus, under the current climate, he's gotta get paid now and he knows it.

Of course, I think it's all moot as I don't think there's any way in hell they play next year without a new CBA.

gyldenlove
09-03-2009, 08:06 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_13147198



I'm sure many of you already knew this, but I think its important to be correct in the fact of all the BS rumor mill stuff going on right now.

When people talk about the issues, they act like Denver doesn't want to give Brandon a new contract or that his "trust issues" are some how real. The reality is that Denver has never been afraid to pay a player that performs. The other reality is Brandon has no trust issues with Denver that a 18M signing bonus won't cure.

The elephant in the room is that he has NO MARGIN for error when it comes to the NFL and his off the field incidents. He has shown very poor judgment and one HAS TO ASSUME that he will stumble again at some point. And if he does, the team that holds his contract is up s**t creek. He is one 3am bar fight away from an 8 game suspension.

You could structure the contract differently.

Give him a 5 million signing bonus, then give him 6 and 7 million dollars roster bonuses in year 2 and 3 that are guaranteed for skill and injury, you make the money due in late august, and put in a clause that the bonuses will be converted to signing bonus when they are paid for cap purposes. His caphit will be slightly higher in the later years of the contract, but we do get some insurance and he gets his 18 million guaranteed.

bloodsunday
09-03-2009, 08:06 AM
I think the real issue is he's a dick.

That's just small minded thinking. Plenty of great players have had off the field issues and even personality issues. Hell sometimes I don't even like players on our own team ... Cutler for examples was a real horses ass. How about IHOP?

But it doesn't change the fact that he's a great player and we are in need of play makers right now. If there was a way that a team could protect themselves, then I think Denver would either resign him or have a much better chance of trading him. Teams are reluctant to trade for Denver's asking price because they'll wind up looking at the same elephant.

bloodsunday
09-03-2009, 08:08 AM
Actually, the real issue is, if they actually have the uncapped year, he can't make more than $2.9 million as a RFA. Thus, under the current climate, he's gotta get paid now and he knows it.

Yes, which goes back to my point... who's gonna take that gamble on an 18M signing bonus?

bloodsunday
09-03-2009, 08:11 AM
the marshall supporters say that he deserves a huge payout of guaranteed money. there's no logic in this line of thinking. marshall wants guaranteed money and is causing all of this trouble because he hasn't been given it yet. guaranteed money rewards a player for NOT performing. i'm sure the Broncos would redo marshall's deal with performance bonuses before his contract expires if that would end the drama. but he doesn't want that. what business in its right mind would agree to what marshall wants? look at how much money Bowlen still has to pay Shanny even though Shanny is no longer coach. i wish the marshall supporters would see that this isn't about paying marshall what he's worth... it's about marshall wanting to be paid regardless whether he performs or contributes from here on out. with his questionable work ethic, once he gets a contract with large amount guaranteed, can we be confident he won't get lazy and take it easy on the field?

We had no reason to question Marshall's work ethic or ON-THE-FIELD conduct before this. Plus, they can get back signing bonus money for on the field stuff -- like the BS he pulled in practice. But I don't believe that would happen again if he got paid because he would be "happy".

However, that incident highlighted how immature he remains, and reinforces the idea that the likelihood he has another OFF-THE-FIELD incident remains high.

TonyR
09-03-2009, 08:12 AM
Some similarities to the Osi Umenyiora issue in NY who has also "outperformed his contract" on the field.

More on Osi's contract
Posted by Mike Florio on September 2, 2009 11:07 PM ET

Some of you disagree with our assessment that Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora threw a tantrum on Monday because of unspoken (in the past year) frustrations regarding his contract.

Here are some facts for your to consider in this regard.

Umenyiora's base salary for 2009 is $2.55 million. He also receives a $500,000 roster bonus and a per-game roster bonus of $31,250 for each game in which he's on the 53-man roster, for a total possible take of roughly $3.6 million.

Next year, which currently is on track to be uncapped, Umenyiora's total compensation will be roughly $4.2 million.

So, yeah, it looks like Umenyiora is underpaid. And, yeah, after seeing those numbers we're even more convinced that he was predisposed to blowing a gasket on Monday because of lingering frustrations with his contract.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/02/more-on-osis-contract/

GoBroncos DownUnder
09-03-2009, 08:24 AM
Mike&Mike this morning - Schlereth wrapped it up perfectly:
"You're angry at the coaches and organisation, so you dog it at training, don't catch balls, I can understand that. ... But when you kick the ball, to take it out on the ball-boy ... really?"
They then alluded to the fact that you're annoyed that you want your millions, and the person who suffers is the ball boy, making $8 an hour ... ;)

Gort
09-03-2009, 08:27 AM
We had no reason to question Marshall's work ethic or ON-THE-FIELD conduct before this. Plus, they can get back signing bonus money for on the field stuff -- like the BS he pulled in practice. But I don't believe that would happen again if he got paid because he would be "happy".

However, that incident highlighted how immature he remains, and reinforces the idea that the likelihood he has another OFF-THE-FIELD incident remains high.

i'm worried about injury as well. didn't he slice and dice himself wrestling over a MacDonald's bag or some such nonsense 2 off seasons ago? and now he's claiming he had a hip injury that required surgery that the Broncos didn't diagnose.

guaranteed money is one of the dumbest concepts in pro sports, from the perspective of the person having to pay it of course. to a player who risks career ending injury each game, it's a great thing. thus, the smart owner has to walk a fine line insofar as to who and how much guaranteed money he allows to be doled out every year. you don't give buckets full of it to the guys who are likely not to be around for the full term of the contract. that's why demanding that marshall get such a big chunk of guaranteed cash is so illogical. if anyone on this team is a worse candidate, i don't know who it is.

he's got the injury history
he's got the legal trouble history
he's now showing that he has work ethic issues
he's immature and has a history of making dumb decisions
etc.

crush17
09-03-2009, 08:30 AM
Vic Lombardi and Gary Miller reported that Rod Smith has officially taken Brandon Marhshall under his wing (again) to begin the process of bringing him back to reality, and back to practicing and contributing to the team.

I think that's a good thing. Can't hurt... but we've seen him do this before. Hopefully it sticks this time around.

bloodsunday
09-03-2009, 08:30 AM
i'm worried about injury as well. didn't he slice and dice himself wrestling over a MacDonald's bag or some such nonsense 2 off seasons ago? and now he's claiming he had a hip injury that required surgery that the Broncos didn't diagnose.

guaranteed money is one of the dumbest concepts in pro sports, from the perspective of the person having to pay it of course. to a player who risks career ending injury each game, it's a great thing. the smart owner has to walk a fine line insofar as to who and how much guaranteed money he allows to be doled out every year. you don't give it to the guys who are likely not to be around for the full term of the contract. that's why demanding that marshall get such a big chuck of guaranteed cash is so illogical. if anyone on this team is a worse candidate, i don't know who it is.

he's got the injury history
he's got the legal trouble history
he's now showing that he has work ethic issues
he's immature and has a history of making dumb decisions
etc.

I agree with everything you are saying, but the only one Denver cannot currently mitigate is the last point you made -- his history of making dumb decisions. They can have him checked out by a doctor for injuries, and even put those types of activities in a contract. They can certainly come after him for conduct detrimental to the team if he continues his practice issues, but they cannot prevent themselves from getting burned by an 8 game suspsension.

That's why I called it the "real issue".

Popps
09-03-2009, 09:48 AM
I think there's more than just the off-field risk issue, but that's a huge part of it.

BroncoMan4ever
09-03-2009, 10:15 AM
the marshall supporters say that he deserves a huge payout of guaranteed money. there's no logic in this line of thinking. marshall wants guaranteed money and is causing all of this trouble because he hasn't been given it yet. guaranteed money rewards a player for NOT performing. i'm sure the Broncos would redo marshall's deal with performance bonuses before his contract expires if that would end the drama. but he doesn't want that. what business in its right mind would agree to what marshall wants? look at how much money Bowlen still has to pay Shanny even though Shanny is no longer coach. i wish the marshall supporters would see that this isn't about paying marshall what he's worth... it's about marshall wanting to be paid regardless whether he performs or contributes from here on out. with his questionable work ethic, once he gets a contract with large amount guaranteed, can we be confident he won't get lazy and take it easy on the field?

it is a tough situation. his play on the field obviously calls for the guy to get paid big time, but his off field crap and current stupidity as well as a hip that may or may not be completely healed screams hell no to paying the guy.

i agree right now the best we could offer the guy is more incentive based instead of guaranteed.

azbroncfan
09-03-2009, 10:38 AM
Here is the real issue and it's clear Marshall is a POS and a danger to society.

Oct. 31, 2004: During his junior year at the University of Central Florida, Brandon Marshall faced misdemeanor charges of trespass, resisting arrest without violence, disorderly conduct, refusal to obey and assault on a police officer after an argument with an off-duty Florida Highway Patrol officer turned heated at an Orlando Denny's restaurant. According to the off-duty officer, Marshall, who'd been asked to leave the restaurant for creating a disturbance, accused the officer and the restaurant manager of being "racist," threatened to sue Denny's and the Florida Highway Patrol and said he was "a star and a well-known athlete." Marshall screamed profanities and locked his fists as if he were preparing to strike the officer, according to the report. The charges were later dismissed.

April 8, 2005: Marshall was charged with retail theft, a misdemeanor, after trying to return a stolen set of bed sheets, valued at $19.99, to a Burlington Coat Factory, according to a police report of the incident. The charge was later dropped.

April 2006: Marshall was drafted by the Broncos in the fourth round of the NFL draft, No. 119 overall.

June 17, 2006: Conflicting police reports from Marshall and Rasheedah Watley were filed with the Orange County, Fla., Sheriff's Department. Marshall told police that Watley became violent after seeing him earlier that evening as the object of another woman's affection. Marshall described Watley to police as an old family friend and told police that Watley punched him and scratched his chest after an argument inside the couple's Orlando apartment spiraled out of control. Watley, who filed a police report by phone from Atlanta three days after the incident, told Florida police that Marshall was the aggressor, and that he slapped her in the face, grabbed her by the arms and pushed her to the ground, and that Marshall's sister, London, who was also present during the fight, cut Watley above her eye by throwing a cell phone or remote control at her face. No charges were ever filed.

Dec. 31, 2006: Marshall and several Broncos teammates were present at "The Shelter," a nightclub in Denver's LoDo section, as part of a birthday celebration for Denver Nuggets forward Kenyon Martin. Former Broncos wide receiver Javon Walker later told HBO's "Real Sports" that an argument broke out at the club when Marshall and his cousin sprayed champagne on another club patron and his friend. The men, who argued with Marshall and his cousin, were then asked to leave the club, Walker told HBO. Walker admitted he didn't see the encounter. According to media reports, around closing time, Marshall and his cousin were seen on the sidewalk outside the club arguing with the patrons who had been ejected from the club earlier that night. Walker told HBO that he believes the argument contributed to a drive-by shooting a short time later that killed Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams.

Jan. 24, 2007: Police responded to a parking lot outside an Orlando bowling alley where Marshall and his father had a heated argument. According to a police report of the incident, Frederick Marshall said his son took out a handgun and fired one shot at him after the two men argued. Frederick Marshall, who refused to sign a sworn statement or press charges, said his son left the area after firing the handgun. Several witnesses said they never heard gunshots, according to the police report. While officers spoke with Frederick Marshall that evening, Brandon Marshall returned to the parking lot and provided his own statement. Brandon Marshall told police that his father had asked him for money earlier that night and that when he said "no," Frederick Marshall left the bowling alley in anger, broke a beer bottle on Brandon Marshall's vehicle and then tried to run down Brandon Marshall with his car, forcing him to jump between two vehicles in the parking lot to avoid getting hit, according to the report. Frederick Marshall also threatened to "ruin [Brandon's] professional football career," according to the police report. Brandon Marshall also declined to press charges.

March 18, 2007: Atlanta police responded to a domestic dispute call at the Westin Peachtree hotel. Watley told officers that after meeting Marshall at the hotel that night, he became enraged after he went through her cell phone call list and noticed she'd been speaking with an ex-boyfriend. Watley told police Marshall hit her repeatedly with a closed fist. While she refused medical attention, police noticed a large, dark-colored bruise on Watley's chin. Police reported seeing Marshall in the lobby of a neighboring hotel but, according to the report, Marshall left and was not arrested. Police advised Watley to take out a warrant for Marshall's arrest, but Watley never did. No charges were ever filed.

March 21, 2007: Watley filed a report with police in Boca Raton, Fla. Watley and Marshall, who were staying in south Florida with Marshall's uncle, told police that an argument started that night at a local restaurant after Marshall refused to ask Watley to marry him. According to a police report, while Watley was walking home, Marshall grabbed a large pipe from a construction site and hit the ground with it in frustration. Nobody was hurt. Police characterized the incident as a verbal domestic dispute. No charges were filed.

March 26, 2007: Police in Douglas County, Colo., arrested Marshall for false imprisonment and domestic violence. Watley told "Outside the Lines" she was assaulted by Marshall a day earlier at Marshall's suburban Denver home -- she never reported that incident to police -- and that she was attempting to fly back to Atlanta to get away from Marshall. Watley told police she and Marshall argued at the Denver airport and that she later agreed to return to Marshall's home. Watley told police when she attempted to leave Marshall's home a second time, Marshall followed her taxi and, at one point, blocked its path with his Dodge Charger, leapt from his car and punched the taxi cab's windows. When contacted by "Outside the Lines," the cab driver confirmed Watley's version of events. Marshall denied punching the taxi cab's windows and later told police he was only trying to retrieve his cell phone, which he said Watley had taken from him.

May 25, 2007: Charges against Marshall relating to his arrest in Douglas County, Colo., were dismissed after he successfully completed anger management classes.

June 8, 2007: Police responded to Marshall and Watley's Atlanta condo at 5 a.m. and found Watley with a noticeable cut on her right thigh. Watley initially told officers that she accidentally cut herself with a kitchen knife. Watley told the first officer to arrive that while she had argued with Marshall earlier that evening, no physical abuse occurred. Marshall was not present. Roughly an hour later, at 6:07 a.m., police were dispatched to the condo a second time. On this second visit Watley told police that Marshall did indeed cut her thigh with a kitchen knife during a fight earlier that evening and that he later returned to the condo and continued to assault Watley by punching her in the forehead. Watley's friend, Kristeena Spivey, told police that while she was attempting to drive Watley from the condo complex, she noticed Marshall attempting to leave the scene. Spivey, who called 911 to make officers aware of Marshall's whereabouts, said when she attempted to block Marshall's exit from the parking lot with her vehicle, Marshall rammed her car with his Cadillac Escalade and then left his SUV and threw a large rock at the passenger side of Spivey's car. Marshall fled the scene before police arrived, according to Spivey and Watley. Watley was taken to Grady Memorial Hospital for treatment. No charges were ever filed.

June 30, 2007: Atlanta police responded to a fight-in-progress call at Marshall and Watley's condo. Watley told police that a fight broke out after Marshall missed a flight and blamed Watley. Watley told police Marshall struck her with a closed fist and choked her. Watley had a bruise on her left eye and noticeable scratches on her body, according to a police report of the incident. Officers made Watley aware of the procedures to obtain a restraining order. No charges were filed.

Oct. 22, 2007: Hours after defeating the Pittsburgh Steelers, Marshall was cited at 2 a.m. by Denver police for driving under the influence after he was seen driving erratically. His blood-alcohol level was 0.116 (the legal limit for DUI in Colorado is 0.08).

Jan. 18, 2008: Watley obtained a temporary protective order against Marshall in Fulton County (Ga.) Superior Court. At the time, Marshall was forbidden to come within 200 yards of Watley. Watley, through her attorneys, eventually agreed to lift the court order.

Feb. 18, 2008: Watley told "Outside the Lines" that as part of a Valentine's Day present, and in an attempt to repair their relationship, Marshall surprised her with a last-minute trip to San Juan, Puerto Rico. While on that trip, Watley said, Marshall argued with her about an ex-boyfriend. Watley said Marshall assaulted her at San Juan's Condado Plaza Hotel, hitting her in the mouth, which caused her to bleed, and choking her on the bed. A report was filed by police saying officers were called to the hotel to help hotel security escort guests from the property. The report does not mention Watley, Marshall or any details of the incident.

March 4, 2008: Police responded around 9 p.m. to a fight call at Marshall and Watley's Atlanta condo and found Marshall bleeding from his hand. Marshall initially told police that during an argument with Watley, one of Watley's sisters cut him on his hand with a knife. When asked by police who had the knife, Marshall then told officers there was no knife, and that he'd been cut on glass during a fight with Watley. Watley told police that Marshall became upset after finding text messages from an ex-boyfriend on Watley's phone. Watley had several cuts on her lips, according to a police report, and told officers that Marshall had grabbed her by the head and slapped her. While police were interviewing Watley, Marshall fled, according to a report of the incident.

March 5, 2008: Police returned to Marshall and Watley's condo around 1 a.m. Watley and her sister both told police that after the fight earlier that same evening, Marshall returned to the condo, took Watley's purse and threw her personal belongings, including clothing, off of the 20th floor balcony. Police told Watley to leave the residence, but she declined and explained that she feared Marshall would return again once officers left and damage more of her property.

March 5, 2008: Watley obtained her second temporary protective order against Marshall in Fulton County Superior Court. Marshall was once again forbidden by the court order to come within 200 yards of Watley.

May 5, 2008: Atlanta police were called once again to the condo Watley shared for more than a year with Marshall. According to a police report, Watley and Marshall's mother argued about Watley's attempt to remove items from the condo. No charges were filed.

Aug. 5, 2008: The NFL released a statement announcing that Marshall would be suspended without pay for the Broncos' first three regular-season games of 2008 for violating the NFL personal conduct policy. The statement noted that "if Marshall fully complies with required counseling and other conditions of the suspension, Commissioner Goodell will consider reducing the suspension to two games."

Aug. 28, 2008: Less than a month after the NFL released a statement announcing Marshall's suspension, the league released another statement saying Marshall's suspension had been reduced upon appeal to one game without pay plus an additional fine of one game check. An NFL spokesman told ESPN "a potential reduction in [Marshall's] initial three-game suspension was always contemplated if he complied with required counseling and other conditions of the suspension." The spokesman would not elaborate on the precise conditions Marshall met to have his suspension reduced.

Sept. 10, 2008: Marshall was charged with two misdemeanor counts of simple battery as a result of the incident the previous March (his formal bond arraignment was Nov. 3, 2008). Simple battery, according to the Fulton County District Attorney's office, is punishable by up to one year in jail and/or a $1,000 fine.

Sept. 12, 2008: Nearly a year after being cited for DUI in Denver, Marshall pleaded guilty to the lesser offense of driving while ability-impaired. He was sentenced to one year of probation.

Feb. 5, 2009: While attending a dinner party in Honolulu as part of his Pro Bowl appearance, Marshall proposed to Michi Nogami-Campbell. Marshall told the Denver Post he met Nogami-Campbell while the two attended the University of Central Florida. The engagement prompted several sports writers to praise what they characterized as Marshall's maturity.

March 1, 2009: Marshall and his fiancée, Nogami-Campbell, were seen by an off-duty Atlanta police officer arguing outside the same Atlanta condo Marshall once shared with Watley. According to a police report of the incident, the off-duty officer saw Marshall and Nogami-Campbell kicking and punching one another on the sidewalk outside the condo building. The off-duty officer said she saw Marshall grab Nogami-Campbell by the shirt and pin her up against the wall. Nogami-Campbell continued to kick and hit Marshall, the officer said. Both Marshall and Nogami-Campbell were arrested and taken to the Atlanta City Jail. They were released later that same day and charges were dismissed. In a statement to ESPN, the NFL said the incident remains "under review."

Popcorn Sutton
09-03-2009, 01:23 PM
Dukes still up to no good on a live chat on NFL.com:

http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn472/rgault00/Dukes.png

UberBroncoMan
09-03-2009, 01:39 PM
It seems castration is the only option left at this point.

Broncoman13
09-03-2009, 01:44 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_13147198



I'm sure many of you already knew this, but I think its important to be correct in the fact of all the BS rumor mill stuff going on right now.

When people talk about the issues, they act like Denver doesn't want to give Brandon a new contract or that his "trust issues" are some how real. The reality is that Denver has never been afraid to pay a player that performs. The other reality is Brandon has no trust issues with Denver that a 18M signing bonus won't cure.

The elephant in the room is that he has NO MARGIN for error when it comes to the NFL and his off the field incidents. He has shown very poor judgment and one HAS TO ASSUME that he will stumble again at some point. And if he does, the team that holds his contract is up s**t creek. He is one 3am bar fight away from an 8 game suspension.


It's been posted and discussed a few times before, but you still bring up a valid point/concern. Truly, Brandon Marshall is one of my favorite players in the NFL to watch. To me, he is like Adrian Peterson running the ball, Peyton Manning tossing it, or DeMarcus Ware going in for a sack. For that reason, I hope that he can get his stink to not be so stinky and play some ball! Like you, I agree that all of his issues can be easily "cured" with a big pay day. Hopefully Rod will let him know that in good time he will be taken care of and if he goes out, plays great football this year and keeps his nose clean... it will be more than Fitz or White or any other receiver!

GoBroncos DownUnder
09-03-2009, 01:45 PM
http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn472/rgault00/Dukes.png
"Conflict resolution" - It was an optional course for Marshall at school, sadly though, he preferred to go to Da Club and take the "champagne spraying" course instead! 8')

(edit - stupid Mac cut my post!)
Why do people need to be TAUGHT things?
"Nobody taught Brandon the right thing to do" - is just a lame pathetic excuse! Dukes is lame to even come up with that drivel!

Broncoman13
09-03-2009, 01:48 PM
Dukes still up to no good on a live chat on NFL.com:

http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn472/rgault00/Dukes.png



Sorry dude but I think Jamie Dukes makes some pretty good points this time. This isn't the typical Bronco hating he usually spouts, this is real and true. These kids need help. The Broncos SHOULD be hesitant to give somebody like Brandon Marshall a ton of money without first ensuring he has the CR skills he needs in life.

Killericon
09-03-2009, 02:08 PM
Sorry dude but I think Jamie Dukes makes some pretty good points this time. This isn't the typical Bronco hating he usually spouts, this is real and true. These kids need help. The Broncos SHOULD be hesitant to give somebody like Brandon Marshall a ton of money without first ensuring he has the CR skills he needs in life.

Except the part where he says McDaniels is in a tough spot that he caused. McDaniels had nothing to do with the Marshall situation(an exaggeration, but you get the idea).

lazarus4444
09-03-2009, 03:03 PM
Marshall has prevented Brandon Marshall from making more money. He needs to quit blaming everybody else and take responsibility for his life. McDaniels had nothing to do with BM, BM had everything to do with BM.

Popcorn Sutton
09-03-2009, 03:08 PM
Sorry dude but I think Jamie Dukes makes some pretty good points this time. This isn't the typical Bronco hating he usually spouts, this is real and true. These kids need help. The Broncos SHOULD be hesitant to give somebody like Brandon Marshall a ton of money without first ensuring he has the CR skills he needs in life.

He does make a few good points here. The only thing I was trying to point out is he is STILL saying just sign him to a contract and use a morals clause. As most of us have learned this is simply not true. The morals clause only allows the Broncos to recover 25% of his guaranteed money in a given season.

orinjkrush
09-03-2009, 05:31 PM
the best thing that could happen to BM is that the NFL bans him. forever.

oh, yeah. Michael Vick.

ScottXray
09-03-2009, 10:08 PM
Here is the real issue and it's clear Marshall is a POS and a danger to society.

Oct. 31, 2004: During his junior year at the University of Central Florida, Brandon Marshall faced misdemeanor charges of trespass, resisting arrest without violence, disorderly conduct, refusal to obey and assault on a police officer after an argument with an off-duty Florida Highway Patrol officer turned heated at an Orlando Denny's restaurant. According to the off-duty officer, Marshall, who'd been asked to leave the restaurant for creating a disturbance, accused the officer and the restaurant manager of being "racist," threatened to sue Denny's and the Florida Highway Patrol and said he was "a star and a well-known athlete." Marshall screamed profanities and locked his fists as if he were preparing to strike the officer, according to the report. The charges were later dismissed.

April 8, 2005: Marshall was charged with retail theft, a misdemeanor, after trying to return a stolen set of bed sheets, valued at $19.99, to a Burlington Coat Factory, according to a police report of the incident. The charge was later dropped.

April 2006: Marshall was drafted by the Broncos in the fourth round of the NFL draft, No. 119 overall.

June 17, 2006: Conflicting police reports from Marshall and Rasheedah Watley were filed with the Orange County, Fla., Sheriff's Department. Marshall told police that Watley became violent after seeing him earlier that evening as the object of another woman's affection. Marshall described Watley to police as an old family friend and told police that Watley punched him and scratched his chest after an argument inside the couple's Orlando apartment spiraled out of control. Watley, who filed a police report by phone from Atlanta three days after the incident, told Florida police that Marshall was the aggressor, and that he slapped her in the face, grabbed her by the arms and pushed her to the ground, and that Marshall's sister, London, who was also present during the fight, cut Watley above her eye by throwing a cell phone or remote control at her face. No charges were ever filed.

Dec. 31, 2006: Marshall and several Broncos teammates were present at "The Shelter," a nightclub in Denver's LoDo section, as part of a birthday celebration for Denver Nuggets forward Kenyon Martin. Former Broncos wide receiver Javon Walker later told HBO's "Real Sports" that an argument broke out at the club when Marshall and his cousin sprayed champagne on another club patron and his friend. The men, who argued with Marshall and his cousin, were then asked to leave the club, Walker told HBO. Walker admitted he didn't see the encounter. According to media reports, around closing time, Marshall and his cousin were seen on the sidewalk outside the club arguing with the patrons who had been ejected from the club earlier that night. Walker told HBO that he believes the argument contributed to a drive-by shooting a short time later that killed Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams.

Jan. 24, 2007: Police responded to a parking lot outside an Orlando bowling alley where Marshall and his father had a heated argument. According to a police report of the incident, Frederick Marshall said his son took out a handgun and fired one shot at him after the two men argued. Frederick Marshall, who refused to sign a sworn statement or press charges, said his son left the area after firing the handgun. Several witnesses said they never heard gunshots, according to the police report. While officers spoke with Frederick Marshall that evening, Brandon Marshall returned to the parking lot and provided his own statement. Brandon Marshall told police that his father had asked him for money earlier that night and that when he said "no," Frederick Marshall left the bowling alley in anger, broke a beer bottle on Brandon Marshall's vehicle and then tried to run down Brandon Marshall with his car, forcing him to jump between two vehicles in the parking lot to avoid getting hit, according to the report. Frederick Marshall also threatened to "ruin [Brandon's] professional football career," according to the police report. Brandon Marshall also declined to press charges.

March 18, 2007: Atlanta police responded to a domestic dispute call at the Westin Peachtree hotel. Watley told officers that after meeting Marshall at the hotel that night, he became enraged after he went through her cell phone call list and noticed she'd been speaking with an ex-boyfriend. Watley told police Marshall hit her repeatedly with a closed fist. While she refused medical attention, police noticed a large, dark-colored bruise on Watley's chin. Police reported seeing Marshall in the lobby of a neighboring hotel but, according to the report, Marshall left and was not arrested. Police advised Watley to take out a warrant for Marshall's arrest, but Watley never did. No charges were ever filed.

March 21, 2007: Watley filed a report with police in Boca Raton, Fla. Watley and Marshall, who were staying in south Florida with Marshall's uncle, told police that an argument started that night at a local restaurant after Marshall refused to ask Watley to marry him. According to a police report, while Watley was walking home, Marshall grabbed a large pipe from a construction site and hit the ground with it in frustration. Nobody was hurt. Police characterized the incident as a verbal domestic dispute. No charges were filed.

March 26, 2007: Police in Douglas County, Colo., arrested Marshall for false imprisonment and domestic violence. Watley told "Outside the Lines" she was assaulted by Marshall a day earlier at Marshall's suburban Denver home -- she never reported that incident to police -- and that she was attempting to fly back to Atlanta to get away from Marshall. Watley told police she and Marshall argued at the Denver airport and that she later agreed to return to Marshall's home. Watley told police when she attempted to leave Marshall's home a second time, Marshall followed her taxi and, at one point, blocked its path with his Dodge Charger, leapt from his car and punched the taxi cab's windows. When contacted by "Outside the Lines," the cab driver confirmed Watley's version of events. Marshall denied punching the taxi cab's windows and later told police he was only trying to retrieve his cell phone, which he said Watley had taken from him.

May 25, 2007: Charges against Marshall relating to his arrest in Douglas County, Colo., were dismissed after he successfully completed anger management classes.

June 8, 2007: Police responded to Marshall and Watley's Atlanta condo at 5 a.m. and found Watley with a noticeable cut on her right thigh. Watley initially told officers that she accidentally cut herself with a kitchen knife. Watley told the first officer to arrive that while she had argued with Marshall earlier that evening, no physical abuse occurred. Marshall was not present. Roughly an hour later, at 6:07 a.m., police were dispatched to the condo a second time. On this second visit Watley told police that Marshall did indeed cut her thigh with a kitchen knife during a fight earlier that evening and that he later returned to the condo and continued to assault Watley by punching her in the forehead. Watley's friend, Kristeena Spivey, told police that while she was attempting to drive Watley from the condo complex, she noticed Marshall attempting to leave the scene. Spivey, who called 911 to make officers aware of Marshall's whereabouts, said when she attempted to block Marshall's exit from the parking lot with her vehicle, Marshall rammed her car with his Cadillac Escalade and then left his SUV and threw a large rock at the passenger side of Spivey's car. Marshall fled the scene before police arrived, according to Spivey and Watley. Watley was taken to Grady Memorial Hospital for treatment. No charges were ever filed.

June 30, 2007: Atlanta police responded to a fight-in-progress call at Marshall and Watley's condo. Watley told police that a fight broke out after Marshall missed a flight and blamed Watley. Watley told police Marshall struck her with a closed fist and choked her. Watley had a bruise on her left eye and noticeable scratches on her body, according to a police report of the incident. Officers made Watley aware of the procedures to obtain a restraining order. No charges were filed.

Oct. 22, 2007: Hours after defeating the Pittsburgh Steelers, Marshall was cited at 2 a.m. by Denver police for driving under the influence after he was seen driving erratically. His blood-alcohol level was 0.116 (the legal limit for DUI in Colorado is 0.08).

Jan. 18, 2008: Watley obtained a temporary protective order against Marshall in Fulton County (Ga.) Superior Court. At the time, Marshall was forbidden to come within 200 yards of Watley. Watley, through her attorneys, eventually agreed to lift the court order.

Feb. 18, 2008: Watley told "Outside the Lines" that as part of a Valentine's Day present, and in an attempt to repair their relationship, Marshall surprised her with a last-minute trip to San Juan, Puerto Rico. While on that trip, Watley said, Marshall argued with her about an ex-boyfriend. Watley said Marshall assaulted her at San Juan's Condado Plaza Hotel, hitting her in the mouth, which caused her to bleed, and choking her on the bed. A report was filed by police saying officers were called to the hotel to help hotel security escort guests from the property. The report does not mention Watley, Marshall or any details of the incident.

March 4, 2008: Police responded around 9 p.m. to a fight call at Marshall and Watley's Atlanta condo and found Marshall bleeding from his hand. Marshall initially told police that during an argument with Watley, one of Watley's sisters cut him on his hand with a knife. When asked by police who had the knife, Marshall then told officers there was no knife, and that he'd been cut on glass during a fight with Watley. Watley told police that Marshall became upset after finding text messages from an ex-boyfriend on Watley's phone. Watley had several cuts on her lips, according to a police report, and told officers that Marshall had grabbed her by the head and slapped her. While police were interviewing Watley, Marshall fled, according to a report of the incident.

March 5, 2008: Police returned to Marshall and Watley's condo around 1 a.m. Watley and her sister both told police that after the fight earlier that same evening, Marshall returned to the condo, took Watley's purse and threw her personal belongings, including clothing, off of the 20th floor balcony. Police told Watley to leave the residence, but she declined and explained that she feared Marshall would return again once officers left and damage more of her property.

March 5, 2008: Watley obtained her second temporary protective order against Marshall in Fulton County Superior Court. Marshall was once again forbidden by the court order to come within 200 yards of Watley.

May 5, 2008: Atlanta police were called once again to the condo Watley shared for more than a year with Marshall. According to a police report, Watley and Marshall's mother argued about Watley's attempt to remove items from the condo. No charges were filed.

Aug. 5, 2008: The NFL released a statement announcing that Marshall would be suspended without pay for the Broncos' first three regular-season games of 2008 for violating the NFL personal conduct policy. The statement noted that "if Marshall fully complies with required counseling and other conditions of the suspension, Commissioner Goodell will consider reducing the suspension to two games."

Aug. 28, 2008: Less than a month after the NFL released a statement announcing Marshall's suspension, the league released another statement saying Marshall's suspension had been reduced upon appeal to one game without pay plus an additional fine of one game check. An NFL spokesman told ESPN "a potential reduction in [Marshall's] initial three-game suspension was always contemplated if he complied with required counseling and other conditions of the suspension." The spokesman would not elaborate on the precise conditions Marshall met to have his suspension reduced.

Sept. 10, 2008: Marshall was charged with two misdemeanor counts of simple battery as a result of the incident the previous March (his formal bond arraignment was Nov. 3, 2008). Simple battery, according to the Fulton County District Attorney's office, is punishable by up to one year in jail and/or a $1,000 fine.

Sept. 12, 2008: Nearly a year after being cited for DUI in Denver, Marshall pleaded guilty to the lesser offense of driving while ability-impaired. He was sentenced to one year of probation.

Feb. 5, 2009: While attending a dinner party in Honolulu as part of his Pro Bowl appearance, Marshall proposed to Michi Nogami-Campbell. Marshall told the Denver Post he met Nogami-Campbell while the two attended the University of Central Florida. The engagement prompted several sports writers to praise what they characterized as Marshall's maturity.

March 1, 2009: Marshall and his fiancée, Nogami-Campbell, were seen by an off-duty Atlanta police officer arguing outside the same Atlanta condo Marshall once shared with Watley. According to a police report of the incident, the off-duty officer saw Marshall and Nogami-Campbell kicking and punching one another on the sidewalk outside the condo building. The off-duty officer said she saw Marshall grab Nogami-Campbell by the shirt and pin her up against the wall. Nogami-Campbell continued to kick and hit Marshall, the officer said. Both Marshall and Nogami-Campbell were arrested and taken to the Atlanta City Jail. They were released later that same day and charges were dismissed. In a statement to ESPN, the NFL said the incident remains "under review."

Give it a rest AZ. You are posting this a lot of threads about Marshall. We've all seen it too many times now.

rastaman
09-03-2009, 10:55 PM
i'm worried about injury as well. didn't he slice and dice himself wrestling over a MacDonald's bag or some such nonsense 2 off seasons ago? and now he's claiming he had a hip injury that required surgery that the Broncos didn't diagnose.

guaranteed money is one of the dumbest concepts in pro sports, from the perspective of the person having to pay it of course. to a player who risks career ending injury each game, it's a great thing. thus, the smart owner has to walk a fine line insofar as to who and how much guaranteed money he allows to be doled out every year. you don't give buckets full of it to the guys who are likely not to be around for the full term of the contract. that's why demanding that marshall get such a big chunk of guaranteed cash is so illogical. if anyone on this team is a worse candidate, i don't know who it is.

he's got the injury history
he's got the legal trouble history
he's now showing that he has work ethic issues
he's immature and has a history of making dumb decisions
etc.

So if these are the issues concerning Brandon Marshall.....why should Denver even try and franchise tag him in the first place!!!

Why not go into the draft and find a replacement for Brandon Marshall?

Forcing a square peg into a round hole is not only stupid...but its frustrating as well. The Broncos and the fans have a love-hate relationship with their marriage to Brandon Marshall. Question is, have we gotten to the point of no return?

You just listed all the negatives when it comes to Bmarsh and teams in the NFL are aware of these negatives as well. How can the Broncos demand a 1st and 4th pick from teams willing to take the cancerous-headache Marshall off the Bronco hands?

Gort
09-04-2009, 03:20 AM
So if these are the issues concerning Brandon Marshall.....why should Denver even try and franchise tag him in the first place!!!

to maximize trade value?

Why not go into the draft and find a replacement for Brandon Marshall?

maybe they will.

Forcing a square peg into a round hole is not only stupid...but its frustrating as well. The Broncos and the fans have a love-hate relationship with their marriage to Brandon Marshall. Question is, have we gotten to the point of no return?

nobody hates marshall. we just hate the way his acting now and hate worrying about what boneheaded thing he's going to do next. i'd be happy to see him on the field playing with a contract that both the Broncos and marshall are happy with... but marshall and the Broncos have a different idea on what his next contract should be. he actually does have a current contract which he signed. nobody put a gun to his head. the Broncos are 100% correct in expecting him to live up to that contract.

You just listed all the negatives when it comes to Bmarsh and teams in the NFL are aware of these negatives as well. How can the Broncos demand a 1st and 4th pick from teams willing to take the cancerous-headache Marshall off the Bronco hands?

that's the thing, isn't it? if nobody is willing to give a 1st and 3rd (the going rate i believe) for marshall, then why are the Broncos the bad guy for not caving in to marshall demands? instead of whining about how the Broncos won't pay the guy what he thinks he deserves, i'd like to hear the marshall supporters also complain that the Vikings won't give the Broncos a fair trade for him. or that the Bears won't. or the Jets. or the Falcons. or every other team in the league. th truth is that EVERY team out there is worried about this guy's immaturity and off field behavior, and now possibly also his injury status.

anyway, it doesn't matter... Jamie Dukes has already trotted out the "society is to blame" excuse for him. how long until the race card is played? i mean, McD is white, isn't he? so he must be a racist and this whole thing must be racially motivated. don't believe me? wait. somebody somewhere (probably on ESPN) is going to go this route.

bloodsunday
09-04-2009, 06:58 AM
that's the thing, isn't it? if nobody is willing to give a 1st and 3rd (the going rate i believe) for marshall, then why are the Broncos the bad guy for not caving in to marshall demands? instead of whining about how the Broncos won't pay the guy what he thinks he deserves, i'd like to hear the marshall supporters also complain that the Vikings won't give the Broncos a fair trade for him. or that the Bears won't. or the Jets. or the Falcons. or every other team in the league. th truth is that EVERY team out there is worried about this guy's immaturity and off field behavior, and now possibly also his injury status.
EXACTLY!!! Marshall has created this problem with his on and off the field actions. If he wants to get traded and/or get paid, then its incumbent of him to show up and show he's trust worthy (how ironic is that!) by not getting into trouble and approaching his job as a professional.

anyway, it doesn't matter... Jamie Dukes has already trotted out the "society is to blame" excuse for him. how long until the race card is played? i mean, McD is white, isn't he? so he must be a racist and this whole thing must be racially motivated. don't believe me? wait. somebody somewhere (probably on ESPN) is going to go this route.
I think Jamie Dukes is just an apologist for the players. I'm sick of hearing the defense the players careers are so short that they deserve to get the money while they can. First of all, no one "deserves" anything, and particularly not 100M (IMO). And second of all, showing up and doing your job like a professional is something that will server these guys later in life -- when they are no longer in the league. That's why so many of these guys wind up bankrupt, because the rules they apply to sports don't apply the real world. Marshall is definitely going to wind up in jail or broke (after his career if not before) if he doesn't clean up his act. Every time something doesn't go his way he lashes out, usually with violence. Not happy with your girlfriend? Start a cat fight. Not happy with your team? Throw and kick stuff. I get the fact that he had a rough upbringing, but he's past that now. He has all the money in the world and a great support system to help him conquer his demons. All he has to do is decide he wants to. That's not society's problem, that's his. Sorry for the rant...

Popcorn Sutton
09-04-2009, 08:55 AM
Jim Rome's take FWIW:

http://videos.espn.com/m/video/22791570/jim-rome-burns-on-brandon-marshall.htm