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The MVPlaya
09-01-2009, 06:18 PM
Nothing new but the article.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp09/news/story?id=4438529

Brandstater to start vs. Cardinals


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<!-- end mod-article-title --> <!-- begin story body --> <!-- template inline -->ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- With the Denver Broncos (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=den)' top two quarterbacks sidelined by injuries, rookie Tom Brandstater (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12466) will start the team's preseason finale Thursday night against Arizona.
The start, even though it comes in the last exhibition, represents a dramatic turn for Brandstater, who watched from the sideline barely taking a snap in practice let alone the exhibition season as Kyle Orton (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8520) and backup Chris Simms (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=4555) got virtually all the work.
Brandstater said he's spending extra time studying this week to get a better handle on the playbook going into the game.
"As a starting quarterback now -- that actually sounds crazy to say -- but I am starting on Thursday, and there's a lot of work that needs to be put in to be the guy," a bemused Brandstater said. "While the other guys are not here, I'm going to act like I'm the starter, and I'm not going to look back until someone tells me I'm not playing anymore."
Brandstater, a sixth-round pick out of Fresno State, played more than a half in Sunday's 27-17 loss to Chicago, leading the Broncos to two touchdowns after coming on for the injured Orton.
Orton gashed and apparently dislocated his right index finger when he struck a defender's helmet with his passing hand during a follow-through.
The Broncos were already without Simms, who suffered a left high ankle sprain during an exhibition game the week before at Seattle.
Coach Josh McDaniels said he remained hopeful that both Orton and Simms would be able to return to practice next week and be available for the Broncos' Sept. 13 opener at Cincinnati. But he also left open the possibility that one or both could miss the first regular season game.
"We're hopeful we'll have all our players ready to go on opening day, but again the timetable for that, I would be totally guessing and probably wrong if I started guessing about that stuff right now," McDaniels said.
Neither Brandstater nor fourth-stringer Ingle Martin (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9734) has had a meaningful snap during the regular season.
McDaniels said Brandstater had a strong practice Tuesday -- the team's only major workout prior to the preseason finale -- and his grasp of the offense has improved significantly.
"He's a mature kid and he's really picked up on some of the things that sometimes take quarterbacks longer to do, run the huddle, get the formations lined up and that kind of stuff," McDaniels said. "He's getting better every day and that's what we like to see out of our young guys."
Brandstater saw his first action as a pro when he replaced Simms on short notice and looked overwhelmed, taking four sacks and completing one of his four throws for 1 yard against the Seahawks. But he appeared much more poised in his most recent outing, completing 8 of 12 passes for 110 yards, including a long of 54 yards to fellow rookie Kenny McKinley (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12582).
Brandstater said he can't really explain the leap in his play.
"I've tried to analyze it myself and I have no idea. Really, I'm still in the clouds, trying to get better," he said.
Brandstater did say that his confidence has grown since experiencing some success in his last outing.
"Something clicked," he said. "I felt so much better, and I don't even know when it was, but at some point, I felt like I really belong out here. I can do it. There wasn't that nervous second-guessing any more."
He said maybe he can even help the Broncos do something they haven't managed to do yet.
"We're 0-3 in the preseason and even though that doesn't mean anything, to me as a competitor, I want to help this team win a game," he said.
Notes

Rookie running back Knowshon Moreno (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12516) took some practice repetitions for the first time since spraining his knee in the Aug. 14 preseason opener at San Francisco, but McDaniels said he's unsure whether he'll play Thursday. ... Running back LaMont Jordan (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2597) resumed working out after suffering an unspecified leg injury two weeks ago. Wide receiver Jabar Gaffney (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=3561) (thumb) and guard Chris Kuper (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9747) (ankle) also were among the injured players held out of practice. ... The Broncos released veteran tight end Jeb Putzier (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=3768), rookie punter Britton Colquitt (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12773), wide receiver C.J. Jones (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=5335) and center Blake Schlueter (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12722), a seventh-round pick out of Texas Christian, to reach the 75-player limit.

scorpio
09-01-2009, 06:20 PM
And so the legend begins....

cmhargrove
09-01-2009, 06:20 PM
Nothing new but the article.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp09/news/story?id=4438529

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- With the Denver Broncos' top two quarterbacks sidelined by injuries, rookie Tom Brandstater will start the team's preseason finale Thursday night against Arizona.

Brandstater, a sixth-round pick out of Fresno State, played more than a half in Sunday's 27-17 loss to Chicago, leading the Broncos to two touchdowns after coming on for the injured Kyle Orton.

Orton gashed and apparently dislocated his right index finger when he struck a defender's helmet with his passing hand during a follow through.

The Broncos were already without backup Chris Simms, who suffered a left high ankle sprain during an exhibition game the week before at Seattle.

Brandstater saw his first action as a pro when he replaced Simms on short notice and looked overwhelmed, taking four sacks and completing one of his four throws for 1 yard against the Seahawks. But he appeared much more poised in his most recent outing, completing 8 of 12 passes for 110 yards, including a long of 54 yards to fellow rookie Kenny McKinley.

Coach Josh McDaniels said he remained hopeful that both Orton and Simms would be able to return to practice next week and be available for the Broncos' Sept. 13 opener at Cincinnati. But he also said there was no set timetable for their return and left open the possibility that one or both could miss the first regular season game.

Neither Brandstater nor fourth-stringer Ingle Martin has had a meaningful snap during the regular season.

It willl be interesting to see if the Cards put in their starting D for the first drive. Go Tommy B. - don't lost your job to a guy named Ingle...

BroncoBuff
09-01-2009, 06:21 PM
Duh ....

SonOfLe-loLang
09-01-2009, 06:30 PM
And in related news, the sky is blue

listopencil
09-01-2009, 06:33 PM
And so the legend begins....

http://www.realclearsports.com/blog/lombardi2.jpg

footstepsfrom#27
09-01-2009, 06:33 PM
Don't we play the Cardinals every preseason? What's up with that?

Dedhed
09-01-2009, 06:34 PM
How do idiots get jobs who don't even look at what they're writing about? Is there anyone here who thinks Orton hit his hand on a helmet?

listopencil
09-01-2009, 06:36 PM
Don't we play the Cardinals every preseason? What's up with that?

Seahawks, 9ers, Cards-regional. Bears?

rastaman
09-01-2009, 06:37 PM
Come on Tommy B......be the one that give us hope! Saves McD's Job! And bring this board back together again!!!!! :wiggle:

24champ
09-01-2009, 06:37 PM
And so the legend begins....


http://cdn.sparkart.net/fivefourclothing/content/photos/1242675749.83844.33.jpg

The MVPlaya
09-01-2009, 06:38 PM
they extended the article.

mhgaffney
09-01-2009, 06:39 PM
This is B's big chance.

He can take over the job as starter with a solid performance.

cutthemdown
09-01-2009, 06:47 PM
Don't we play the Cardinals every preseason? What's up with that?

its because they like to give teams a final game with as little travel as possible.

Obviously it works better in some areas. You see a lot of KC/St louis, Chargers/San Fran, Miami/NO etc etc. They really do think about stuff like that.

Just another nugget of information to enlighten footinmouths confusion.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-01-2009, 06:50 PM
How do idiots get jobs who don't even look at what they're writing about? Is there anyone here who thinks Orton hit his hand on a helmet?

i thought he did actually...didnt his hand get pushed by ogunleye into his own helmet? Am i remember this completely inaccurately?

cutthemdown
09-01-2009, 06:52 PM
How do idiots get jobs who don't even look at what they're writing about? Is there anyone here who thinks Orton hit his hand on a helmet?

It was hard to see but I had not really thought about what he caught it on. Sort of looked like maybe the guys shoulder or upper arm? Something weird and unlucky.

If player gets crushed and put out that's easier to live with. But all these little weird ones we get last couple yrs just maddening.

at some point our injury luck has to change. But then again look around the NFL, tons of teams in same boat.

listopencil
09-01-2009, 07:09 PM
i thought he did actually...didnt his hand get pushed by ogunleye into his own helmet? Am i remember this completely inaccurately?

I thought they hit hands. Kind of odd.

mizzoutigers
09-01-2009, 07:15 PM
mcd will get a look at leinart at least

TheReverend
09-01-2009, 07:26 PM
Take the job, Tom... And NEVER look back

listopencil
09-01-2009, 07:28 PM
I know we are just screwing around in here but I'm excited about getting to see the kids play. This is what I like about the preseason. I hope I can find a good link to it.

Dedhed
09-01-2009, 07:28 PM
I thought they hit hands. Kind of odd.

Wow, at least there was one other person paying attention. I guess I over-estimated the "reading" comprehension on the mane.

tsiguy96
09-01-2009, 07:32 PM
i hope he plays GREAT, goes into game 1 as the starter and plays like joe flacco last year

Dukes
09-01-2009, 07:32 PM
We're not going to the playoffs, I've got no problem seeing what a rookie can do. On the bright side, he's not starting because Orton or Simms are stinking it up.

oubronco
09-01-2009, 07:33 PM
Take the job, Tom... And NEVER look back.

TheReverend
09-01-2009, 07:34 PM
I know we are just screwing around in here but I'm excited about getting to see the kids play. This is what I like about the preseason. I hope I can find a good link to it.

Who's screwing around?

I know for goddamn sure I'm not:

http://i28.tinypic.com/rvvwy8.gif

listopencil
09-01-2009, 07:37 PM
Who's screwing around?

I know for goddamn sure I'm not:

http://i28.tinypic.com/rvvwy8.gif

That's not even his worst play so far, lol. That one was stupid though.

listopencil
09-01-2009, 07:39 PM
Maybe somebody should do a poll since Orton is out until week 1. "What Was Orton's Worst Play Of The 2009 Preseason?" Left handed INT, INT to Bly, etc...

TheReverend
09-01-2009, 07:40 PM
Maybe somebody should do a poll since Orton is out until week 1. "What Was Orton's Worst Play Of The 2009 Preseason?" Left handed INT, INT to Bly, etc...

Left hander walks away with it.

Though the "he was just trying to make a play" rationalizations are always funny to read again.

Karenin
09-01-2009, 07:48 PM
This is B's big chance.

He can take over the job as starter with a solid performance.

no he can't. quit being a ****ing idiot, nobody is going to win the starter's job in a meaningless fourth preseason game against AZ's 3rd stringers.

tsiguy96
09-01-2009, 07:57 PM
yea im definitely not screwing around, i want him to play great thursday and start week 1. if hes good week 1 how are we gonna take him out for a guy coming off injury?

tsiguy96
09-01-2009, 07:58 PM
no he can't. quit being a ****ing idiot, nobody is going to win the starter's job in a meaningless fourth preseason game against AZ's 3rd stringers.

he may get week 1 by default because of injury, and we want him to play good enough that he DOESNT have to get out.

listopencil
09-01-2009, 08:01 PM
Left hander walks away with it.

Though the "he was just trying to make a play" rationalizations are always funny to read again.

I don't know, INT to Bly was mind blowing.

Finger Roll
09-01-2009, 08:38 PM
I hope both Simms and Orton can't play the first game because of injury. I wouldn't mind seeing Brandstater start if he plays great against Arizona. I don't trust Orton with the football

ZONA
09-01-2009, 08:47 PM
i hope he plays GREAT, goes into game 1 as the starter and plays like joe flacco last year

It could happen. But I doubt Hillis will be in much and Moreno will not be out there and no BM and probably no Eddie so he won't have much to work with. I doubt he's gonna look amazing. Not enough to win the starting job come week 1. But I do think this is a great learning experience for him. NFL QB's drop all the time and he definitely could be in there at any time starting again because of an injury, and these last 2 games will really help his confidence I believe.

TheReverend
09-01-2009, 08:48 PM
I really, truly believe that playing Brandstater over Orton or Simms will not cost us ANY football games

JimmyFocus
09-01-2009, 08:49 PM
That's not even his worst play so far, lol. That one was stupid though.

I dont get how it was stupid. Really it essentially came down to 18 yards for a jumpball chance at a touchdown. I dont see anything wrong with him tossing it up there on 4th down.

ZONA
09-01-2009, 08:50 PM
That's not even his worst play so far, lol. That one was stupid though.

But you have to understand the circumstances. It was 4th and goal and a preseason game and Orton knew all of that. There was nothing to really lose. When have you seen Orton throw a left handed pass other then one, never. People are making way too much out of that throw. I can understand and respect people's choice not to like Orton but to bag on him for that play as much as they have is plain silly.

ZONA
09-01-2009, 08:56 PM
I really, truly believe that playing Brandstater over Orton or Simms will not cost us ANY football games

It might not. But what it could cost you is respect among veteran players who have backed Orton and think this kind of helter skelter decision is not cool. It also could have a long term negative affect on Tom himself, but you never know. QB's that are thrown into the mix before they are truly ready can be a disaster for their confidence level if they struggle early. It all depends on how mentally strong they player is. I remember Troy Aikman talking about that once while he was calling a game. Saying that it really takes the right guy, the right coaches to help the young QB overcome the early struggles. He should know, he went 1-15. I've said it before, I would rather have Orton start, at least for the first 6 games or so and see how he does. If we go 0-6 then I could care less if they go with Simms or Tom at that point. But if Orton goes 4-2 or something, keep Tom on the bench.

TheReverend
09-01-2009, 08:57 PM
lol, told ya

jsco70
09-01-2009, 09:04 PM
"I'm going to act like I'm the starter, and I'm not going to look back until someone tells me I'm not playing anymore."

Love this quote. Sounds to me like he's in the right frame of mind to take advantage of this opportunity.

TheReverend
09-01-2009, 09:14 PM
You guys are aware of his # at Fresno, right?


























http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0911/ncf_g_brandstater_400.jpg

Finger Roll
09-01-2009, 09:21 PM
But you have to understand the circumstances. It was 4th and goal and a preseason game and Orton knew all of that. There was nothing to really lose. When have you seen Orton throw a left handed pass other then one, never. People are making way too much out of that throw. I can understand and respect people's choice not to like Orton but to bag on him for that play as much as they have is plain silly.

Yeah I didn't have a problem with that play. The problem is in order for the broncos to score they have to execute a perfect 15 play 7 first down drive.

Finger Roll
09-01-2009, 09:24 PM
and if god forbid a penalty happens. Might as well punt

DBroncos4life
09-01-2009, 09:30 PM
and if god forbid a penalty happens. Might as well punt

No kidding. :rofl:

ZONA
09-01-2009, 09:32 PM
and if god forbid a penalty happens. Might as well punt

come regular season, I'm sure that would have been a FG attempt instead of a 4th and goal attempt. But you never know, Shanny had some balls and attempted 4th and goals way more then most coaches.

jet19
09-01-2009, 09:47 PM
The thought of Brandstater starting is the only thing keeping me from puking. I tried to back Orton as much as any other life long broncos fan, but he is so ordinary it makes me long for Jake the Snake. I hope Orton and Simms are out long enough for Brandstater to get a few games under his belt and hopefully look good. At this point I am having a hard time getting excited for football season. I have not seen such a **** football team in all my days. What a sad state of affairs when a rookie with basically no experience is the lone glimmer of hope, is this really happening????

footstepsfrom#27
09-01-2009, 09:47 PM
It will be interesting to see how much McD has him go downfield. He might want to hide the fact that he can throw the ball 15 yards so our opponents won't know what hit 'em when the regular season gets here. ;D

ZONA
09-01-2009, 09:51 PM
The thought of Brandstater starting is the only thing keeping me from puking. I tried to back Orton as much as any other life long broncos fan, but he is so ordinary it makes me long for Jake the Snake. I hope Orton and Simms are out long enough for Brandstater to get a few games under his belt and hopefully look good. At this point I am having a hard time getting excited for football season. I have not seen such a **** football team in all my days. What a sad state of affairs when a rookie with basically no experience is the lone glimmer of hope, is this really happening????

Cmon now, be fair. You haven't seen such a **** football team in all of your days? They haven't even played a regular season game yet. And the team that was on the field last year wasn't anything to brag home about. You want to talk about things you haven't seen in all of your days, how about losing a 3 game division lead with 3 games left to play. There you go.

baja
09-01-2009, 09:55 PM
Stranger things have happened....


Question would McD become the mastermind if Tom Brandstater became the next Tom Brady?

tsiguy96
09-01-2009, 10:00 PM
Stranger things have happened....


Question would McD become the mastermind if Tom Brandstater became the next Tom Brady?

we just need to hope brandstater gets a legit shot to show his skills and not get destroyed by our poor 2nd team oline...

TheReverend
09-01-2009, 10:02 PM
Stranger things have happened....


Question would McD become the mastermind if Tom Brandstater became the next Tom Brady?

Na. All credit would fall on Shanny's OL and WRs

lex
09-01-2009, 10:03 PM
Any new QBs in Denver should be required to take a seminar on resisting the urge to throw lefthanded and how youre doomed the moment you do this. It was a fine tradition started by Plummer and now Orton has linked himself with him.

baja
09-01-2009, 10:03 PM
Na. All credit would fall on Shanny's OL and WRs

Ha ha

jet19
09-01-2009, 10:08 PM
Cmon now, be fair. You haven't seen such a **** football team in all of your days? They haven't even played a regular season game yet. And the team that was on the field last year wasn't anything to brag home about. You want to talk about things you haven't seen in all of your days, how about losing a 3 game division lead with 3 games left to play. There you go.

yeah and this team is no better than the team that blew the 3 game lead. Trust me I am as big a broncos fan as anyone on this board and I cant remember when I felt this bad about an upcoming season, even in our worst years I maintained that I felt like we had a legitimate chance. I cant even fool myself into thinking like that this year. We have the potential to be one of the worst teams in the NFL right now IF Orton is healthy. if he cant go I think we are really in some very deep waters.

ro_50
09-01-2009, 10:09 PM
I just reviewed the second half of the Bears-Broncos game to merely concentrate on Brandstater.

Kid didn't look half bad for a rookie. He moves around ok for a guy his size back there and he doesn't have overwhelming arm strength, but is average enough to make some throws.

He has good size and has a high IQ (i think he was working on a grad degree when he was in college) and seems to work hard.

He didn't look all that bad as a rook out there.

I'm not expecting anything more from him than being a back up, but the kid has a chance now for at least one game -- albeit in preseason -- to step up to the plate and perform.

It was night and day compared to his first performance against the Seahawks.

jet19
09-01-2009, 10:12 PM
I enjoyed seeing him at least look downfield. I thought he actually looked pretty good once he settled in.

Bronco LB52
09-01-2009, 10:15 PM
http://cdn.sparkart.net/fivefourclothing/content/photos/1242675749.83844.33.jpg

WTF? Brandstater touring the Dallas Cowboys facilities?

baja
09-01-2009, 10:15 PM
Thought he looked good in the pocket and good awareness of where his receivers were and had a decent progression through his receiving options did not have happy feet.

Finger Roll
09-01-2009, 10:18 PM
why did he last to the 7th round? He seems to have alot of skills for a late round pick.

TheReverend
09-01-2009, 10:19 PM
WTF? Brandstater touring the Dallas Cowboys facilities?

That's actually him at Shanny's mansion in 3 years. Champ's close friend is Doc Brown so he can find stuff like that.

jet19
09-01-2009, 10:21 PM
maybe its because he wears his watch over his shirt sleeve? That would pretty much end the interview for me :)

tsiguy96
09-01-2009, 10:21 PM
why did he last to the 7th round? He seems to have alot of skills for a late round pick.

6th round, small school, bad TD:INT ratio, questionable mechanics....

24champ
09-01-2009, 10:23 PM
WTF? Brandstater touring the Dallas Cowboys facilities?

A Dallas Cowboy Pre-draft invitee I assume.

listopencil
09-01-2009, 10:25 PM
I dont get how it was stupid. Really it essentially came down to 18 yards for a jumpball chance at a touchdown. I dont see anything wrong with him tossing it up there on 4th down.

Because he threw away a chance to pin the Seahawks around the five yard line instead of giving it to them on the 20. With a stupid left handed throw.

footstepsfrom#27
09-01-2009, 10:25 PM
A Dallas Cowboy Pre-draft invitee I assume.
They had both him and that Texas A&M kid in and picked the Aggie.

TheReverend
09-01-2009, 10:26 PM
why did he last to the 7th round? He seems to have alot of skills for a late round pick.

Small known fact outside of the scouting business:

All QB prospects during their interviews have to do a Ronnie James Dio performance of "Holy Diver". Brandstater fumbled the line "Ride the tiger, you can see stripes but you know he's clean". It really showed concerns about his ability to perform under pressure.

Btw, this is also why there's scant few black QBs in the NFL.

TheReverend
09-01-2009, 10:27 PM
Because he threw away a chance to pin the Seahawks around the five yard line instead of giving it to them on the 20. With a stupid left handed throw.

I think it's more stupid because he made a conscious decision to throw it with his left hand instead of:

A. Switching it back to his right, because it was free...

B. Running it in...

ZONA
09-01-2009, 10:30 PM
Small known fact outside of the scouting business:

All QB prospects during their interviews have to do a Ronnie James Dio performance of "Holy Diver". Brandstater fumbled the line "Ride the tiger, you can see stripes but you know he's clean". It really showed concerns about his ability to perform under pressure.

Btw, this is also why there's scant few black QBs in the NFL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

That gets reply of the day bro. OMG I haven't laughed so hard all year. See, all it takes is some very good humor and we can all get along. lol.

jet19
09-01-2009, 10:30 PM
I think it's more stupid because he made a conscious decision to throw it with his left hand instead of:

A. Switching it back to his right, because it was free...

B. Running it in...

I agree, it looked to me that he was just not athletic enough to make that throw with his right hand while moving towards his left. ORDINARY

listopencil
09-01-2009, 10:43 PM
I think it's more stupid because he made a conscious decision to throw it with his left hand instead of:

A. Switching it back to his right, because it was free...

B. Running it in...

True. I was thinking he would either.......

1) Throw it away, SEA ball at LOS
2) run OOB, SEA ball on spot
3) hook slide, SEA ball on spot
4) run it in...eh. way too many SEA players in front of him
5) switch back to right hand and attempt a floater to the back of the end zone. I think there were two WR's back there

Tossing it up left handed was just stupid, makes him look like an idiot that can't think under pressure.

thumpc
09-01-2009, 11:23 PM
Small known fact outside of the scouting business:

All QB prospects during their interviews have to do a Ronnie James Dio performance of "Holy Diver". Brandstater fumbled the line "Ride the tiger, you can see stripes but you know he's clean". It really showed concerns about his ability to perform under pressure.

Btw, this is also why there's scant few black QBs in the NFL.
Nice! I hear Dio was just at Red Rocks with old Sabbath members.

thumpc
09-01-2009, 11:24 PM
Tom will have his boy McKinley out there, he'll do fine.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-01-2009, 11:25 PM
6th round, small school, bad TD:INT ratio, questionable mechanics....

He's also not young. I think he's 24.

thumpc
09-01-2009, 11:34 PM
Orton is slower than SOB, without the arm. QB is the only weakness on a very talented offense.
I love me some rookie hope!

McDman
09-02-2009, 12:19 AM
Stranger things have happened....


Question would McD become the mastermind if Tom Brandstater became the next Tom Brady?

Naw, people would still hate him.

lex
09-02-2009, 12:22 AM
Naw, people would still hate him.

If he can spare us from using a high draft pick on that position, he deserves a nickname but not that one. The only problem is that he has a short time to get that guy on board given the amount of tension that exists over the state of the team.

baja
09-02-2009, 07:52 AM
If he can spare us from using a high draft pick on that position, he deserves a nickname but not that one. The only problem is that he has a short time to get that guy on board given the amount of tension that exists over the state of the team.

Not everybody is wound as tight as you and a few others on this board lex.

Cito Pelon
09-02-2009, 08:31 AM
Brandstater was born in Turlock, CA.

The Turlock clan were major characters in James Michener's "Chesapeake".

Michener was born in Pennsylvania.

Phil Simms, father of Chris Simms, went to Morehead State U, located near the Daniel Boone National Forest in Kentucky.

Daniel Boone was born in Pennsylvania.

Michener also wrote a novel about Colorado, "Centennial", that featured a fictitious town named Centennial.

The modern suburban town of Centennial, CO is located a short drive from the Broncos HQ in Dove Valley.

So, it's either Simms or Brandstater.

broncofan7
09-02-2009, 08:51 AM
http://cdn.sparkart.net/fivefourclothing/content/photos/1242675749.83844.33.jpg

Is that Tom B? I didn't recognize him without the Dr Phil haircut........

Tombstone RJ
09-02-2009, 08:59 AM
I really, truly believe that playing Brandstater over Orton or Simms will not cost us ANY football games

Dude, we haven't really seen what Simms can do.

As for Brandstater, people here are really delusional. First, posters here want to dump the kid because he looked like crap in his first NFL game (not shocking to me but very shocking to some here).

Now, posters here think the Brandstater can somehow win the position by starting a meaningless preseason game.

broncofan7
09-02-2009, 09:14 AM
Dude, we haven't really seen what Simms can do.

As for Brandstater, people here are really delusional. First, posters here want to dump the kid because he looked like crap in his first NFL game (not shocking to me but very shocking to some here).

Now, posters here think the Brandstater can somehow win the position by starting a meaningless preseason game.

You mean leading a TD drive against the Bear's #1 D in the 3rd qtr? In that one series--he scored more than 50% of the points that Orton has led us to in 6.5 qtrs......Do I think he is the savior or our season? HELL NO--but is his ceiling higher than Orton's--HELL YES. If we are going to suffer through a 3-13 type season--why not do it while nuturing a QB with more natural ability along the way......Trust me--when we are 1-5 OR WORSE at our bye week--you will be thinking along these same terms then--some of us are just ahead of the curve.......he reminds me of Joe Flacco....

WolfpackGuy
09-02-2009, 09:17 AM
You mean leading a TD drive against the Bear's #1 D in the 3rd qtr? In that one series--he scored more than 50% of the points that Orton has led us to in 6.5 qtrs......Do I think he is the savior or our season? HELL NO--but is his ceiling higher than Orton's--HELL YES. If we are going to suffer through a 3-13 type season--why not do it while nuturing a QB with more natural ability along the way......Trust me--when we are 1-5 OR WORSE at our bye week--you will be thinking along these same terms then--some of us are just ahead of the curve.......

Preach on, Brother Noompsie

broncofan7
09-02-2009, 09:18 AM
Preach on, Brother Noompsie

He kinda' reminds me of Joe Flacco---too bad we don't have the Raven's defense!

lex
09-02-2009, 09:20 AM
Not everybody is wound as tight as you and a few others on this board lex.

Im laid back. Dont be silly.

lostknight
09-02-2009, 09:27 AM
Look, there is a non-trivial chance that this team is going to suck beyond all comprehension, and just short of what the Lions did last year. (There is also a non-trivial chance that they could be very very good). I would argue that if we are going to suck monumentally, we might as well take a shot at developing a kid who might be a decent quarterback.

It might just turn out to be a helluva bargin too.

kent156
09-02-2009, 09:47 AM
its amazing how a running game can make a qb look good.

Cito Pelon
09-02-2009, 09:52 AM
Brand looked pretty good with the first-teamers. I'm just looking at this in the cold light of day, and what I saw I was impressed with. The O had the CHI first team D on their heels. Pitchouts left, pitchouts right, mixed in some screens, the beautiful pass to McKinley on the post for 54 yds, rollout playaction misdirection vintage ZBS play hits Quinn for 16 yds, broken protection Brand scrambles right, hits Lloyd for 24 I think at the one. That's how the O is supposed to work.

Now, one can say it was a fluke. However, if Brand and the O looks crisp even in the crap game the 4th preseason game always is, that will give me some confidence in the guy. I don't know how this will play out, but when Brand says something just clicked all of a sudden, I don't dispute it because I saw it, and I'm happy to see him have another chance quickly to keep it clicking.

broncofan7
09-02-2009, 09:53 AM
its amazing how a running game can make a qb look good.

1400 yards from Knowshon and a + 15 or so turnover margin on the season will do WONDERS for our chances---hopefully the pre-season isn't a preview of things to come....

Rigs11
09-02-2009, 10:31 AM
You mean leading a TD drive against the Bear's #1 D in the 3rd qtr? In that one series--he scored more than 50% of the points that Orton has led us to in 6.5 qtrs......Do I think he is the savior or our season? HELL NO--but is his ceiling higher than Orton's--HELL YES. If we are going to suffer through a 3-13 type season--why not do it while nuturing a QB with more natural ability along the way......Trust me--when we are 1-5 OR WORSE at our bye week--you will be thinking along these same terms then--some of us are just ahead of the curve.......he reminds me of Joe Flacco....

running Vanilla offense

bendog
09-02-2009, 10:50 AM
Two down and one to go. I'd bank some blood if I were him, considering how this season is shaping up; I read the spleen thing's nasty.

Tombstone RJ
09-02-2009, 10:50 AM
You mean leading a TD drive against the Bear's #1 D in the 3rd qtr? In that one series--he scored more than 50% of the points that Orton has led us to in 6.5 qtrs......Do I think he is the savior or our season? HELL NO--but is his ceiling higher than Orton's--HELL YES. If we are going to suffer through a 3-13 type season--why not do it while nuturing a QB with more natural ability along the way......Trust me--when we are 1-5 OR WORSE at our bye week--you will be thinking along these same terms then--some of us are just ahead of the curve.......he reminds me of Joe Flacco....

We can only hope Brandstater is another Joe Flacco (but would Joe Flacco be good on this Broncos team?).

If Orton doesn't pan out, go to Simms. If Simms gets injured or doesn't pan out, go to Brandstater. It's really that simple.

Brandstater is a project QB. In other words, he's gonna take some time.

IF he lights up the Cards for 30 points then I might be willing to say move him up to the #2 spot. However, I seriously doubt Brandstater is gonna do this. Especially if the running game is struggling.

cabronco
09-02-2009, 11:26 AM
Well hopefully we wont have the flag fest against Clady, Weigman & company putting the O in long yardage situations. That would be ugly again, with the struggling run game & relying on the Rook to bail us out in long yardage. It may take some time for the O to fine tune the screen game. I was b1tching all the time for Shanahan to run a screen more often the last few years. Well be careful what you ask for, I hope they dont become predictable in McD's offense. The best way to counter that is throwing down the field , and well unless Simms or B-stater's in there, could get fugly.

LonghornBronco
09-02-2009, 11:32 AM
You mean leading a TD drive against the Bear's #1 D in the 3rd qtr? In that one series--he scored more than 50% of the points that Orton has led us to in 6.5 qtrs......Do I think he is the savior or our season? HELL NO--but is his ceiling higher than Orton's--HELL YES. If we are going to suffer through a 3-13 type season--why not do it while nuturing a QB with more natural ability along the way......Trust me--when we are 1-5 OR WORSE at our bye week--you will be thinking along these same terms then--some of us are just ahead of the curve.......he reminds me of Joe Flacco....

Sorry that right there is funny, I don't care who you are. :spit:

bendog
09-02-2009, 11:46 AM
he's tanned, rested, sober and ready. make is so, Hoodie.


http://www.marlinbriscoemovie.com/

TheReverend
09-02-2009, 11:49 AM
he's tanned, rested, sober and ready. make is so, Hoodie.


http://www.marlinbriscoemovie.com/

lol, wtf man?

bendog
09-02-2009, 12:21 PM
That was the last time I saw a broncos coach pull a qb outta thin air. Marlin's prolly too old this time around. Saban also brought in Pete Liske. I think he'd been exiled to Canada at the time, but he hung around the league for awhile.

24champ
09-02-2009, 01:53 PM
Tom B also does it right off the field...
http://cdn.sparkart.net/fivefourclothing/content/photos/1242675734.47852.27.jpg


Not....


http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/blogger/blogger/12/2128/1600/seriously%20what%20the%20hell.jpg

gyldenlove
09-02-2009, 02:02 PM
Take the job, Tom... And NEVER look back

You make it sound like the cucumber-chick offered him a headjob...

WolfpackGuy
09-02-2009, 02:04 PM
Tom B also does it right off the field...
http://cdn.sparkart.net/fivefourclothing/content/photos/1242675734.47852.27.jpg

Dayum, Tommy B got all da hoes.

Tombstone RJ
09-02-2009, 02:11 PM
Love the Billabong tee with the sport jacket. T.B. gonna get some...

scorpio
09-02-2009, 03:07 PM
Tom B also does it right off the field...
http://cdn.sparkart.net/fivefourclothing/content/photos/1242675734.47852.27.jpg


i think i'm in love....


and the girls are okay too

Beantown Bronco
09-02-2009, 03:14 PM
Dude, we haven't really seen what Simms can do.

People have been saying that for 5 or 6 years now. It's not a coincidence.

broncofan7
09-02-2009, 04:04 PM
i think i'm in love....


and the girls are okay too

If you are not a chick--and I bet you're not--you have ISSUES.

And the chick in Gray is SMOKIN'...like my wife @ 22!

broncofan7
09-02-2009, 04:08 PM
Tom B also does it right off the field...
http://cdn.sparkart.net/fivefourclothing/content/photos/1242675734.47852.27.jpg


Not....


http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/blogger/blogger/12/2128/1600/seriously%20what%20the%20hell.jpg

I think that this sums it up better than any words EVER COULD.

listopencil
09-02-2009, 05:53 PM
This is really starting to sound like the Plummer/Cutler debate and we're not even out of the preseason yet.

scorpio
09-02-2009, 06:00 PM
If you are not a chick--and I bet you're not--you have ISSUES.

And the chick in Gray is SMOKIN'...like my wife @ 22!

there's an implied "(no homo)"

thumpc
09-02-2009, 06:08 PM
Chocolate Offense
http://jerseychaser.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/thomas-jones-jets-birthday-party.jpg

To go with Tom's vanilla.

thumpc
09-02-2009, 06:09 PM
Verastility is the name of the game.

Los Broncos
09-02-2009, 06:22 PM
What happens if he gets hurt? then we might be screwed...

rastaman
09-02-2009, 07:24 PM
I hope both Simms and Orton can't play the first game because of injury. I wouldn't mind seeing Brandstater start if he plays great against Arizona. I don't trust Orton with the football

Tommy B said something "Clicked" out there! I freaking believe him. If Falco and Ryan can start as rookies and if Sanchez of the Jets is the projected starter as a rookie........why can't Tommy B start for us.

Lets keep hope alive that Orten and Simms aren't rushed back to early and who knows Tommy B could steal the starting job for both of them. What hell do we have to loose?

Wouldn't it be absolutely amazing if a 6th round draft picked QB was the one who pulled the fans together and makes McD look like a miracle worker instead of a McDisaster!! :strong:

rastaman
09-02-2009, 07:28 PM
You mean leading a TD drive against the Bear's #1 D in the 3rd qtr? In that one series--he scored more than 50% of the points that Orton has led us to in 6.5 qtrs......Do I think he is the savior or our season? HELL NO--but is his ceiling higher than Orton's--HELL YES. If we are going to suffer through a 3-13 type season--why not do it while nuturing a QB with more natural ability along the way......Trust me--when we are 1-5 OR WORSE at our bye week--you will be thinking along these same terms then--some of us are just ahead of the curve.......he reminds me of Joe Flacco....

Rep! Why is it you and me are the only ones that see potential in this guy!:thumbsup:

cutthemdown
09-02-2009, 07:31 PM
Tommy B said something "Clicked" out there! I freaking believe him. If Falco and Ryan can start as rookies and if Sanchez of the Jets is the projected starter as a rookie........why can't Tommy B start for us.

Lets keep hope alive that Orten and Simms aren't rushed back to early and who knows Tommy B could steal the starting job for both of them. What hell do we have to loose?

Wouldn't it be absolutely amazing if a 6th round draft picked QB was the one who pulled the fans together and makes McD look like a miracle worker instead of a McDisaster!! :strong:

In the NFL stranger things have happened. We have guys like Warner who went from bagging groceries to winning Superbowls. WHat was Brady? like a 6th round pick. I doubt the scouting on him was ready to be a superstar.

You just never know really. Broncos could use some luck.

ChSuperStar
09-02-2009, 08:25 PM
This Tom B is the QB for New england west and this Josh McD emulates what NE did at the start of this decade.

Under this tom B.. we will win 4 super bowls and josh will be the god in denver for next 20 years.

tsiguy96
09-02-2009, 08:27 PM
This Tom B is the QB for New england west and this Josh McD emulates what NE did at the start of this decade.

Under this tom B.. we will win 4 super bowls and josh will be the god in denver for next 20 years.

hell yea!

Rother8
09-02-2009, 09:58 PM
Would love to see Tom get a chance to re-Flacco it up