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Doggcow
08-31-2009, 01:42 PM
Amiright?

I'm on the bandwagon.

SoDak Bronco
08-31-2009, 01:43 PM
Why not!!! LETS GO ROOKIE

Pick Six
08-31-2009, 01:44 PM
McDaniels is going to give Orton plenty of chances to keep the starting job, but I like that Orton has Brandstater breathing down his neck...

Ambiguous
08-31-2009, 01:47 PM
He looked good last night, but was absolutely laughable in the Seahawks game.

The fact that we are even debating this is enough to make me cry by the way.

BroncoBuff
08-31-2009, 01:48 PM
Simms was borderline spectacular against the 49ers ... and you want to start this thread?


How soon we forget....

ZONA
08-31-2009, 01:51 PM
this thread doesn't surprise me, and not because Brandstater had a good game, but because...........well, you know.

Yeah, a rookie QB who was absolutely horrible in his first game comes out and has a good to decent 2nd game and he should be starting. Okay, so what if next game he comes out and looks like he did the first game, then what?

Yeah, shut the F up already.

24champ
08-31-2009, 01:51 PM
but was absolutely laughable in the Seahawks game.


How so? The line he played behind ab-so-***ing-lute-ly sucked. Everyone saw what he can do behind a decent line last night.

As President of the Tom B for Starting QB club...Simms is still my first choice to take the snaps this season, then Orton, then it's Bradenstater. Again I don't like the idea of starting a rookie QB.

Ambiguous
08-31-2009, 02:02 PM
Everyone saw what he can do behind a decent line last night.


Throw the ball at Eddie Royal's feet?

footstepsfrom#27
08-31-2009, 02:02 PM
this thread doesn't surprise me, and not because Brandstater had a good game, but because...........well, you know.

Yeah, a rookie QB who was absolutely horrible in his first game comes out and has a good to decent 2nd game and he should be starting. Okay, so what if next game he comes out and looks like he did the first game, then what?

Yeah, shut the F up already.
Well it's Orton not Unitas he's up against so it's really not that far fetched.

Popps
08-31-2009, 02:03 PM
LOL

Funny thread title, if nothing else.

Irish Stout
08-31-2009, 02:08 PM
Dude hes starting week 4 Preseason and I will not be suprised if he's our main option going into Cinci - high ankle sprains aren't always quick healing and the mystery behind Orton's finger leads one to wonder if he'll be ready. Either way, Brandstater can maybe show us a little more Thursday night, but I love the zip he can get on the ball and he seems to have decent pocket presence. he just needs some accuracy.

Beantown Bronco
08-31-2009, 02:08 PM
Simms was borderline spectacular against the 49ers ... and you want to start this thread?


How soon we forget....

But can you really rely on Simms to stay healthy? He makes Boss Bailey look like Cal Ripken.

Cosmo
08-31-2009, 02:08 PM
I don't think people really want to see Brandstater starting. It is more of a general feeling that Orton isn't throwing the ball more than 10 yards down the field and last night Brandstater looked good in the pocket and had a better arm.

So, Brandstater showed some potential while we keep worrying about Orton. I do think Brandstater has a good chance to be a starting QB for us and I hope he doesn't need to start this season. I also hope that Orton or Sims play well enough to allow us not to draft a QB next year.

Doggcow
08-31-2009, 02:11 PM
this thread doesn't surprise me, and not because Brandstater had a good game, but because...........well, you know.

Yeah, a rookie QB who was absolutely horrible in his first game comes out and has a good to decent 2nd game and he should be starting. Okay, so what if next game he comes out and looks like he did the first game, then what?

Yeah, shut the F up already.

Peyton Manning had an absolutely horrible first SEASON. They should have given up on him too. Terrible idea to keep him around.

24champ
08-31-2009, 02:11 PM
Throw the ball at Eddie Royal's feet?

He did well in driving the team down the field. He made two mistakes with the interception play and the handoff. He moves around very well in the pocket and led the team down the field a couple times to put points on the board.

8/12 110 yards.
9.2 Yards per pass
0 Sacks
1 interception.
2 scoring drives.

Like I said, I am not advocating starting this guy right away.

titan
08-31-2009, 02:13 PM
The most popular man in Denver in the pre-Elway days (not counting the Craig Morton and Charlie Johnson stints) was the 2nd string quarterback. Things haven't changed. Brandstater showed some signs last night that he could have a future here, but in no way is he ready to be an NFL starter this season. If Orton bombs I'd want to see what a healthy Simms could do first (Simms did lead Tampa to the playoffs when he had a spleen)

ZONA
08-31-2009, 02:15 PM
Peyton Manning had an absolutely horrible first SEASON. They should have given up on him too. Terrible idea to keep him around.

Peyton Manning was a 1st round draft choice and was the #1 overall pick making a bazillion dollars. You don't sit those guys down. He was drafted to be the starting QB right away. Tom was drafted in what, the 6th or 7th round, to be "groomed" for awhile.

Big difference. If you can't see that then that's on you.

lod01
08-31-2009, 02:15 PM
this thread doesn't surprise me, and not because Brandstater had a good game, but because...........well, you know.

Yeah, a rookie QB who was absolutely horrible in his first game comes out and has a good to decent 2nd game and he should be starting. Okay, so what if next game he comes out and looks like he did the first game, then what?

Yeah, shut the F up already.

Love it! LOL You tell 'em.

Man-Goblin
08-31-2009, 02:15 PM
Ingle Martin didn't throw any picks in the game.

ZONA
08-31-2009, 02:16 PM
Brandstater showed some signs last night that he could have a future here, but in no way is he ready to be an NFL starter this season. If Orton bombs I'd want to see what a healthy Simms could do first (Simms did lead Tampa to the playoffs when he had a spleen)

yup

bronco militia
08-31-2009, 02:17 PM
But can you really rely on Simms to stay healthy? He makes Boss Bailey look like Cal Ripken.

Ha!:spit:LOL

WolfpackGuy
08-31-2009, 02:18 PM
Why the hell not?
Everyone except "The Coach" knows what the Broncos have in Orton.

Doggcow
08-31-2009, 02:24 PM
Plus Brandstarter can go deep. The women always appreciate that.

Punisher
08-31-2009, 02:25 PM
http://lvillage.education.vic.gov.au/lv/diec/hp.nsf/Files/dylanantidote/$File/stick+figure+blow+up.gif

ZONA
08-31-2009, 02:27 PM
Why the hell not?
Everyone except "The Coach" knows what the Broncos have in Orton.

Yeah, that will make the locker room gel really nicely won't it. Hey, let's just yank Orton before the regular season even starts for a rookie QB how made a few nice throws in one game, who absolutely looked shell shocked in his first game and stank up the joint, and obviously doesn't know the system well enough that in practice he's not even beating out Simms for the 2nd string QB, let alone Orton as the starter. You guys are not in practice seeing all the mistakes and all the other little stuff that coaches see so go ahead and play pretend coach and call for Tom as the starter. This place sometimes makes me laugh, or cry..........lol.

bronco militia
08-31-2009, 02:28 PM
I say why not...this season is looking more and more like grieseballs rookie season.


but 6-10 could be tough to reach

ZONA
08-31-2009, 02:33 PM
Well, I'm only guessing here but I would have to say that more young QB's are ruined then made when starting them before they are ready. I like Tom and think if he can learn the playbook better and get a year behind him to learn, will be much better for the team down the road then just throwing him in there right now. I also don't think alot of the vets on this team would appreciate that kind of knee jerk response from the coach, to just throw this guy in there. They have hope that the season still could turn out to be a good one. They are working their asses off in practice and the regular season hasn't even started and you guys want to slap them in the face and just throw a totally unready Tom in there. I know all players want to play but right now I don't think Tom wants any part of this circus and is probably more then happy to take a year to learn the system, to learn the NFL life and so on.

24champ
08-31-2009, 02:35 PM
Well, I'm only guessing here but I would have to say that more young QB's are ruined then made when starting them before they are ready. I like Tom and think if he can learn the playbook better and get a year behind him to learn, will be much better for the team down the road then just throwing him in there right now. I also don't think alot of the vets on this team would appreciate that kind of knee jerk response from the coach, to just throw this guy in there. They have hope that the season still could turn out to be a good one. They are working their asses off in practice and the regular season hasn't even started and you guys want to slap them in the face and just throw a totally unready Tom in there. I know all players want to play but right now I don't think Tom wants any part of this circus and is probably more then happy to take a year to learn the system, to learn the NFL life and so on.

This.

WolfpackGuy
08-31-2009, 02:36 PM
Hell, we don't even know the week 1 status of Orton's finger or Simms' ankle.
The rook could be in there sooner than we all think.

TheDave
08-31-2009, 02:40 PM
If Tom Brandstater starts on week 1 we will lose... If Orton can't go we better hope that Simms is healthy.

24champ
08-31-2009, 02:43 PM
If Tom Brandstater starts on week 1 we will lose...

Wanna Bet?

Don't underestimate Tom B. ;D

Also Carson Palmer might not play in the opener either. Keep that in mind as well.

Garcia Bronco
08-31-2009, 02:45 PM
It's effing pre-season. But he did have the fire.

Doggcow
08-31-2009, 02:45 PM
It's effing pre-season. But he did have the fire.

The Moxie!

rastaman
08-31-2009, 02:49 PM
Amiright?

I'm on the bandwagon.

Either get on the band wagon or get on the Titanic!ROFL!

DomCasual
08-31-2009, 02:52 PM
He looked good last night, but was absolutely laughable in the Seahawks game.

The fact that we are even debating this is enough to make me cry by the way.

So he improved, what, 80% - from one game to the next?

Do you know how that projects over the course of the season?

He could quit after his rookie year, and get enshrined in Canton.

oubronco
08-31-2009, 03:14 PM
Poise

dreasher54
08-31-2009, 03:23 PM
ya lets go. I am all over this bandwagon:bandwagon

azbroncfan
08-31-2009, 03:27 PM
Peyton Manning had an absolutely horrible first SEASON. They should have given up on him too. Terrible idea to keep him around.

No he wasn't. He thru a ton of picks but also looked like a good qb once he would get some experience.

Pick Six
08-31-2009, 03:43 PM
Poise

He kind of looks like Gus Frerotte in that picture...LOL

epicSocialism4tw
08-31-2009, 03:47 PM
He looked pretty good yesterday. He has a better arm than Orton, and he found himself a little composure.

Doggcow
08-31-2009, 03:50 PM
I'm still on the Brandwagon! HAR HAR HAR

Ambiguous
08-31-2009, 04:38 PM
So he improved, what, 80% - from one game to the next?

Do you know how that projects over the course of the season?

He could quit after his rookie year, and get enshrined in Canton.

Those weren't even full games! He actually improves 40% per quarter!

We should have started him, he would be 160% better now.

DomCasual
08-31-2009, 04:44 PM
Those weren't even full games! He actually improves 40% per quarter!

We should have started him, he would be 160% better now.

I hadn't thought of it that way.

Wow.

I have to think about this for awhile.

WABronco
08-31-2009, 04:45 PM
Why has no one mentioned he was taken in the 6th round...like Tom Brady?

Bronco Yoda
08-31-2009, 04:48 PM
Poise

Don't you all just love that orange. I want to see this orange every home game!

DomCasual
08-31-2009, 04:50 PM
Why has no one mentioned he was taken in the 6th round...like Tom Brady?

Well, that's like saying Jeff George and John Elway were both the first picks of the draft, so they must be the same. You're too smart for that. Come on, man!

Tom Brady can't hold BrantSTARTER's (circa November 2009) jock.

WABronco
08-31-2009, 04:53 PM
Tom Brady can't hold BrantSTARTER's (circa November 2009) jock.

That's what I'm sayin bro the great ones be comin from the 6th round.

DenverBroncosJM
08-31-2009, 05:00 PM
I knew we would find our Hixon this year just took the third preseason game to realize hes been here since the draft.

UberBroncoMan
08-31-2009, 05:05 PM
You know what... **** it.

Our offense is going against what... 6 of the top 8 defenses from last year?

Orton is a noodle arm that has no long term viability.

Just go with Brandstater this season and let him grow.

mizzoutigers
08-31-2009, 05:06 PM
he's terrible

TheDave
08-31-2009, 05:09 PM
You know what... **** it.

Our offense is going against what... 6 of the top 8 defenses from last year?

Orton is a noodle arm that has no long term viability.

Just go with Brandstater this season and let him grow.


AWESOME IDEA!!!


Signed,

Seattle Fan

24champ
08-31-2009, 05:17 PM
AWESOME IDEA!!!


Signed,

Seattle Fan

Your smarter than this THEDAVE...

Brandstater played with third string scrubs who couldn't block a road cone.

Doggcow
09-04-2009, 12:57 AM
Bump for me being awesome.

mhgaffney
09-04-2009, 06:51 AM
But did Orton improve from week to week?

No. Same old same old.

Did Brandstater?

Yes.

scorpio
09-04-2009, 06:54 AM
Bump for me being awesome.

You stole BrandStarter from me in the chatroom last week and I want 50% of the profits

Traveler
09-04-2009, 07:08 AM
Yeah, that will make the locker room gel really nicely won't it. Hey, let's just yank Orton before the regular season even starts for a rookie QB how made a few nice throws in one game, who absolutely looked shell shocked in his first game and stank up the joint, and obviously doesn't know the system well enough that in practice he's not even beating out Simms for the 2nd string QB, let alone Orton as the starter. You guys are not in practice seeing all the mistakes and all the other little stuff that coaches see so go ahead and play pretend coach and call for Tom as the starter. This place sometimes makes me laugh, or cry..........lol.

Hmmm...

That sounds eerily familiar to Jay Cutler's first couple of games.!Booya!











Sorry, couldn't resist.

RhymesayersDU
09-04-2009, 07:24 AM
I want a Brandstater jersey. Now.


He will lead us to gold.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-04-2009, 07:27 AM
I want a Brandstater jersey. Now.


He will lead us to gold.

You're totally right. Hey, who wants shots?

Signed,
Bradlee Van Pelt

Tombstone RJ
09-04-2009, 07:34 AM
Brandstater is a "project" QB, lets give him some time in the system, let McD coach him up and then if he comes in due to injuries to Orton/Simms or whatever, he'll be tan rested and ready...

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-04-2009, 07:38 AM
The big difference that I saw last night was timing with recievers. Brandstater had it, Orton has not had it. He's missing guys behind because he's not leading enough on crossing routes. But Brandstater hit his guy in stride, and he is capable of going downfield a bit more.

I'm sort of hoping the medical reports about Orton's finger are correct, and that he won't play against Cincy. I'd like to see how Tom B. would do against a live NFL D for four quarters.

Otherwise, I still think it's Orton's job. I do think that if KO struggles, we might see the quick hook and some Brandstater...

TheDave
09-04-2009, 07:38 AM
Keep something in mind folks... This kid has very good physical tools and yet he lasted all the way until the 6th round (in a freakishly weak draft). The simple offense you saw last night would be easily exploited come regular season.

The kid has massive holes in his game right now. Let's hold off the starter talk until next season.

TheDave
09-04-2009, 07:40 AM
The big difference that I saw last night was timing with recievers. Brandstater had it, Orton has not had it. He's missing guys behind because he's not leading enough on crossing routes. But Brandstater hit his guy in stride, and he is capable of going downfield a bit more.

I'm sort of hoping the medical reports about Orton's finger are correct, and that he won't play against Cincy. I'd like to see how Tom B. would do against a live NFL D for four quarters.

Otherwise, I still think it's Orton's job. I do think that if KO struggles, we might see the quick hook and some Brandstater...

We would lose... BAD. He's not ready.

Rohirrim
09-04-2009, 07:43 AM
Antwain Spann looked great last night too. Is he a starting CB? I don't think so.

TheDave
09-04-2009, 07:44 AM
Antwain Spann looked great last night too. Is he a starting CB? I don't think so.

Nah, lets start him over champ and see what happens... I'd like to see what he could do for 4 quarters on 85. Hilarious!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-04-2009, 07:46 AM
We would lose... BAD. He's not ready.

And according to many people here, we're going to lose BAD anyway. I don't necessarily believe that but the simple truth is Brandstater showed some flashes -- including throwing the ball downfield -- that we haven't seen from Orton. I still back Orton, but I just wonder how long a leash he'll have.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-04-2009, 07:46 AM
Nah, lets start him over champ and see what happens... I'd like to see what he could do for 4 quarters on 85. Hilarious!

Definitely try to be a bigger dick.

Sorry, I didn't realize that this discussion board wasn't a place for discussion.

What an asshole.

TheDave
09-04-2009, 07:50 AM
And according to many people here, we're going to lose BAD anyway. I don't necessarily believe that but the simple truth is Brandstater showed some flashes -- including throwing the ball downfield -- that we haven't seen from Orton. I still back Orton, but I just wonder how long a leash he'll have.

I can't stand Kyle Orton, but he gives us our best chance to win. As you know I think we are looking at 4-6 wins this year... Cincinati is one of those wins(I hope). We jam Brandstater into the starting lineup and Seattle will have the 1st pick of the draft.

Let's see how Orton does, and if he fails lets see how Simms does. If they both stink up the joint then lets see how Brandstater looks.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-04-2009, 07:51 AM
"Wow... did that pass just go 15 yards?"
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/deadspin/2009/09/orton.jpg
"Yeesh. Wish I could do that."

TheDave
09-04-2009, 07:52 AM
Definitely try to be a bigger dick.

Sorry, I didn't realize that this discussion board wasn't a place for discussion.

What an a-hole.

Toughen up Nancy... You sling plenty of **** around here also.

Tombstone RJ
09-04-2009, 07:52 AM
"Wow... did that pass just go 15 yards?"
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/deadspin/2009/09/orton.jpg
"Yeesh. Wish I could do that."

That's an unfortunate pic. Not very flattering...

lod01
09-04-2009, 07:59 AM
We would lose... BAD. He's not ready.

Hate to break the bad news but bad losses are coming regardless.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-04-2009, 08:02 AM
Toughen up Nancy... You sling plenty of **** around here also.

Yeah, at people who ****in' deserve it, Susan. And what is that brilliant advice you always give?

Oh yeah: "why don't you just put him on ignore?"

I sling **** at people slinging ****, not people who are just talking football. There's a significant difference.

TheDave
09-04-2009, 08:02 AM
Hate to break the bad news but bad losses are coming regardless.

You aren't breaking any news to me...

Unless your goal is 0-16 starting this kid is a bad idea.

chawknz
09-04-2009, 08:05 AM
Someone get the heat away from Orton's face. It's melting off Raiders of the Lost Ark style..

Anyway, I'm not ready to crown Brandstater a starting position, but at the very least I am excited about what his future in Denver can bring.

I'd like to see what Simms can give us first before moving on.

TheDave
09-04-2009, 08:07 AM
Yeah, at people who ****in' deserve it, Susan. And what is that brilliant advice you always give?

Oh yeah: "why don't you just put him on ignore?"

I sling **** at people slinging ****, not people who are just talking football. There's a significant difference.

Like I said... toughen up Nancy.

It was a stupid idea... It's OK, we all have them.

tsiguy96
09-04-2009, 08:14 AM
You aren't breaking any news to me...

Unless your goal is 0-16 starting this kid is a bad idea.

unfortunately, brandstaters playbook would not be so limited that we lose 16 games. impossible. in case you didnt see it, the run game killed people last night, and the defense played very well (as well as AZ playing awful). 2 rookies took their team to teh playoffs, neither of which had the broncos offensive coaches or talent. they both had better D's but the broncos D really is better this year than weve seen in awhile. i dont know if i buy that just because brandstater is new to the system he wont allow us to win games. with an effective system thats designed to ease a new QB to the game, wed be fine.

RaiderH8r
09-04-2009, 08:19 AM
Peyton Manning had an absolutely horrible first SEASON. They should have given up on him too. Terrible idea to keep him around.

So did Aikman. I'm all about the Stater. Why not? Orton throws like a little girl with a skinned knee and Simms is a Simms. F him and his spleen. Let's get rolling on this QBOTF project post haste.

The kid wore #7 at Fresno, he's gotta be an Elway fan and besides...the guy sports an epic hairdo (at least he did. He needs to bring it back...the Costanza.)

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/76276/48707_broncos_camp_football.jpg

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-04-2009, 08:27 AM
...the guy sports an epic hairdo (at least he did. He needs to bring it back...the Costanza.)

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/76276/48707_broncos_camp_football.jpg

The Space Mullet.

TheDave
09-04-2009, 08:28 AM
unfortunately, brandstaters playbook would not be so limited that we lose 16 games. impossible. in case you didnt see it, the run game killed people last night, and the defense played very well (as well as AZ playing awful). 2 rookies took their team to teh playoffs, neither of which had the broncos offensive coaches or talent. they both had better D's but the broncos D really is better this year than weve seen in awhile. i dont know if i buy that just because brandstater is new to the system he wont allow us to win games. with an effective system thats designed to ease a new QB to the game, wed be fine.

Yeah, whatever...

It isn't going to happen. He's #3 behind Kyle Orton and Chris Simms. That alone should tell you how far he has to go.

First off if you throw this kid in there week 1... assuming the team doesn't declare mutiny and duct tape McKidds ass to a water pipe... He would get slaughtered. The offense they ran last night doesn't work in the regular season. A bunch of runs up the middle via dives and traps and hope the QB can chuck it deep on 3rd down isn't going to get it done. Cinci would blitz this kid so mercilessly you would probably cry. Marvin Lewis may not be a great head coach but he damn well knows how to attack a freakishly simplistic offense with a Rookie 6th round pick under center.

I'm starting to understand why some of you were cool with trading Cutler... You have absolutely no idea how to judge the QB position.

Like it or not folks Orton is our starter. If he comes out and stinks it up then we can look to Simms. Only after they both go on IR is this kid going to get a chance in the regular season.

WolfpackGuy
09-04-2009, 08:29 AM
Put him in there.
The Kyle Orton "error" is over before it really began.

tsiguy96
09-04-2009, 08:31 AM
Yeah, whatever...

It isn't going to happen. He's #3 behind Kyle Orton and Chris Simms. That alone should tell you how far he has to go.

First off if you throw this kid in there week 1... assuming the team doesn't declare mutiny and duct tape McKidds ass to a water pipe... He would get slaughtered. The offense they ran last night doesn't work in the regular season. A bunch of runs up the middle via dives and traps and hope the QB can chuck it deep on 3rd down isn't going to get it done. Cinci would blitz this kid so mercilessly you would probably cry. Marvin Lewis may not be a great head coach but he damn well knows how to attack a freakishly simplistic offense with a Rookie 6th round pick under center.

I'm starting to understand why some of you were cool with trading Cutler... You have absolutely no idea how to judge the QB position.

Like it or not folks Orton is our starter. If he comes out and stinks it up then we can look to Simms. Only after they both go on IR is this kid going to get a chance in the regular season.

as opposed to any offense that orton has led so far? maybe we havent seen much since it is preseason, but what we have seen is absolutely anything but impressive and led to very, very few points and a ridiculously low YPA. (last game, 16 passes and 98 yards i think). sure maybe it is a diff in the playbook for the 2 QBs but there is a reason matt ryan and joe flacco managed to do good last year, they had a supporting offensive system that clearly couldnt just get shut down all the time.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-04-2009, 08:33 AM
Yeah, whatever...

It isn't going to happen. He's #3 behind Kyle Orton and Chris Simms. That alone should tell you how far he has to go.

First off if you throw this kid in there week 1... assuming the team doesn't declare mutiny and duct tape McKidds ass to a water pipe... He would get slaughtered. The offense they ran last night doesn't work in the regular season. A bunch of runs up the middle via dives and traps and hope the QB can chuck it deep on 3rd down isn't going to get it done. Cinci would blitz this kid so mercilessly you would probably cry. Marvin Lewis may not be a great head coach but he damn well knows how to attack a freakishly simplistic offense with a Rookie 6th round pick under center.

I'm starting to understand why some of you were cool with trading Cutler... You have absolutely no idea how to judge the QB position.

Like it or not folks Orton is our starter. If he comes out and stinks it up then we can look to Simms. Only after they both go on IR is this kid going to get a chance in the regular season.

Blah blah blah.

Blah blah blah blah blah.

Blah blah. Blah.

If Orton and Simms are both hurt, or 75% at best, do you consider starting Brandstater? Or do you sign someone else just to make sure we don't do anything to hurt Brandstater's game? Or do you throw Orton out there with a problem on his throwing hand?

Thank god we've got TheDave here to tell us where all our fault lies!

RaiderH8r
09-04-2009, 08:36 AM
Yeah, whatever...

It isn't going to happen. He's #3 behind Kyle Orton and Chris Simms. That alone should tell you how far he has to go.

First off if you throw this kid in there week 1... assuming the team doesn't declare mutiny and duct tape McKidds ass to a water pipe... He would get slaughtered. The offense they ran last night doesn't work in the regular season. A bunch of runs up the middle via dives and traps and hope the QB can chuck it deep on 3rd down isn't going to get it done. Cinci would blitz this kid so mercilessly you would probably cry. Marvin Lewis may not be a great head coach but he damn well knows how to attack a freakishly simplistic offense with a Rookie 6th round pick under center.

I'm starting to understand why some of you were cool with trading Cutler... You have absolutely no idea how to judge the QB position.

Like it or not folks Orton is our starter. If he comes out and stinks it up then we can look to Simms. Only after they both go on IR is this kid going to get a chance in the regular season.

Screens man. We'll just run screens. Slip screen right, slip screen left, WR bubble screen, oooh shotgun shovel pass.

I just can't bring myself to believe Orton is our best bet at winning. That he's our guy. It is Kyle f'ing Orton fer Chrissakes.

TheDave
09-04-2009, 08:39 AM
as opposed to any offense that orton has led so far? maybe we havent seen much since it is preseason, but what we have seen is absolutely anything but impressive and led to very, very few points and a ridiculously low YPA. (last game, 16 passes and 98 yards i think). sure maybe it is a diff in the playbook for the 2 QBs but there is a reason matt ryan and joe flacco managed to do good last year, they had a supporting offensive system that clearly couldnt just get shut down all the time.

I'm not an Orton fan... trust me, I would rather anyone else taking snaps. But he is our best chance to win. (I just thew up in my mouth saying that)

As for Flaco and Ryan... Matt Ryan was the 3rd pick of the draft and Joe Flaco had one of the best defenses in the league to bail him out. This is a completely different situation than either of those.

Do you now understand how stupid it was to get rid of Cutler? We are talking about a practice squad scrub and trying to make a case for why he should be the starter?!?!?!?!

Really?!?!?!?!

kamakazi_kal
09-04-2009, 08:40 AM
unfortunately, brandstaters playbook would not be so limited that we lose 16 games. impossible. in case you didnt see it, the run game killed people last night, and the defense played very well (as well as AZ playing awful). 2 rookies took their team to teh playoffs, neither of which had the broncos offensive coaches or talent. they both had better D's but the broncos D really is better this year than weve seen in awhile. i dont know if i buy that just because brandstater is new to the system he wont allow us to win games. with an effective system thats designed to ease a new QB to the game, wed be fine.

haven't you been spouting this about Ortdone for weeks now? ..... I'll take the spleenless wonder over both of them.

RaiderH8r
09-04-2009, 08:42 AM
I'm not an Orton fan... trust me, I would rather anyone else taking snaps. But he is our best chance to win. (I just thew up in my mouth saying that)

As for Flaco and Ryan... Matt Ryan was the 3rd pick of the draft and Joe Flaco had one of the best defenses in the league to bail him out. This is a completely different situation than either of those.

Do you now understand how stupid it was to get rid of Cutler? We are talking about a practice squad scrub and trying to make a case for why he should be the starter?!?!?!?!

Really?!?!?!?!

Really. I'm embracing the rebuilding pain. At least we'll get a high pick out of.....ahhhhhh crap. McKid's moves are freaking schizophrenic.

TheDave
09-04-2009, 08:42 AM
Blah blah blah.

Blah blah blah blah blah.

Blah blah. Blah.

If Orton and Simms are both hurt, or 75% at best, do you consider starting Brandstater? Or do you sign someone else just to make sure we don't do anything to hurt Brandstater's game? Or do you throw Orton out there with a problem on his throwing hand?

Thank god we've got TheDave here to tell us where all our fault lies!

WOW... obviously if Orton and Simms are both injured then we have to go with the #3 guy. See that how this works when #1 gets hurt we go to #2... Then if #2 gets hurt we go to #3... Then after #3 get hurt guess who we go with?

Think...

#1...#2... #3.... ?

Problem is right now everyone is saying Orton is good to go next week and that Simms should be as well... So we don't have to worry about #4 yet.

**** I gave you the answer.

RaiderH8r
09-04-2009, 08:43 AM
WOW... obviously if Orton and Simms are both injured then we have to go with the #3 guy. See that how this works when #1 gets hurt we go to #2... Then if #2 gets hurt we go to #3... Then after #3 get hurt guess who we go with?

Think...

#1...#2... #3.... ?

We should just injure Orton and Simms every week. :approve:

tsiguy96
09-04-2009, 08:43 AM
I'm not an Orton fan... trust me, I would rather anyone else taking snaps. But he is our best chance to win. (I just thew up in my mouth saying that)

As for Flaco and Ryan... Matt Ryan was the 3rd pick of the draft and Joe Flaco had one of the best defenses in the league to bail him out. This is a completely different situation than either of those.

Do you now understand how stupid it was to get rid of Cutler? We are talking about a practice squad scrub and trying to make a case for why he should be the starter?!?!?!?!

Really?!?!?!?!

practice squad now? a person who has led drives against #1 defenses that consistently get to the red zone is a PS scrub now....what does that make orton? im not talking about draft position im talking about ability to lead THIS offense.

both teams scored more points than our jay cutler led team last year and dont have anywhere near the talent we do on offense. mark sanchez is starting this year as is stafford. now, obviously brandstater was a 6th rd pick but look at the progress and how the ball moves easily when hes in. its actually exciting to watch.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-04-2009, 08:44 AM
I'm not an Orton fan... trust me, I would rather anyone else taking snaps. But he is our best chance to win. (I just thew up in my mouth saying that)

As for Flaco and Ryan... Matt Ryan was the 3rd pick of the draft and Joe Flaco had one of the best defenses in the league to bail him out. This is a completely different situation than either of those.

Do you now understand how stupid it was to get rid of Cutler? We are talking about a practice squad scrub and trying to make a case for why he should be the starter?!?!?!?!

Really?!?!?!?!

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/854146/2/istockphoto_854146_don_t_cry_over_spilt_spilled_mi lk_1.jpg

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-04-2009, 08:45 AM
WOW... obviously if Orton and Simms are both injured then we have to go with the #3 guy. See that how this works when #1 gets hurt we go to #2... Then if #2 gets hurt we go to #3... Then after #3 get hurt guess who we go with?

Think...

#1...#2... #3.... ?

Problem is right now everyone is saying Orton is good to go next week and that Simms should be as well... So we don't have to worry about #4 yet.

**** I gave you the answer.

Awwww, he can count! Neat!

Did you know that Orton and Simms are both currently injured!?!?!? I know, right? Crazy!

Dumb****.

Relax, Susie.

Broncos4tw
09-04-2009, 08:45 AM
Just because he looked better than Orton doesn't mean he is fit to start in the NFL. Just saying...

WolfpackGuy
09-04-2009, 08:46 AM
how the ball moves easily when hes in. its actually exciting to watch.

Tommy B has done more in a game and a half than Orton has done all training camp and preseason combined.
I say put in the kid.

tsiguy96
09-04-2009, 08:46 AM
unfortunately, brandstaters playbook would not be so limited that we lose 16 games. impossible. in case you didnt see it, the run game killed people last night, and the defense played very well (as well as AZ playing awful). 2 rookies took their team to teh playoffs, neither of which had the broncos offensive coaches or talent. they both had better D's but the broncos D really is better this year than weve seen in awhile. i dont know if i buy that just because brandstater is new to the system he wont allow us to win games. with an effective system thats designed to ease a new QB to the game, wed be fine.

haven't you been spouting this about Ortdone for weeks now? ..... I'll take the spleenless wonder over both of them.

yes, except with orton, we havent seen anything except screens, which ive been spouting since we finally got to see them on the field. i always say wait til you see what you have on the field, and there is a noticeable difference between the two, orton looks scared and immediately finds the checkdown as weve seen, tom b does not. will orton do that week 1 with a full gameplan? i dunno, nor do i know if hell be ready since his finger almost came in two. but as most people here would agree we havent seen anything impressive from orton in preseason yet.

TheDave
09-04-2009, 08:48 AM
practice squad now? a person who has led drives against #1 defenses that consistently get to the red zone is a PS scrub now....what does that make orton? im not talking about draft position im talking about ability to lead THIS offense.

both teams scored more points than our jay cutler led team last year and dont have anywhere near the talent we do on offense. mark sanchez is starting this year as is stafford. now, obviously brandstater was a 6th rd pick but look at the progress and how the ball moves easily when hes in. its actually exciting to watch.

Look let me leave it like this... It's not going to happen.

Our defense isn't strong enough to back him up and without Gaffney, Marshall, or Moreno or our 2 starting guards in the line up he doesn't have the tools to get it done.

Throw him out there and you might as well throw him to the sharks.

TheDave
09-04-2009, 08:49 AM
Awwww, he can count! Neat!

Did you know that Orton and Simms are both currently injured!?!?!? I know, right? Crazy!

Dumb****.

Relax, Susie.

Your not adding to the football discussion... as usual.

You may want to add me to the ignore list as well.

kamakazi_kal
09-04-2009, 08:50 AM
[QUOTE=kamakazi_kal;2539533]

yes, except with orton, we havent seen anything except screens, which ive been spouting since we finally got to see them on the field. i always say wait til you see what you have on the field, and there is a noticeable difference between the two, orton looks scared and immediately finds the checkdown as weve seen, tom b does not. will orton do that week 1 with a full gameplan? i dunno, nor do i know if hell be ready since his finger almost came in two. but as most people here would agree we havent seen anything impressive from orton in preseason yet.

I don't know why everyone would be so suprised that Orton looked AVERAGE .... I've been spouting that for months. You go from a young star QB to Orton what the hell did you expect. I just recieve .... red zone ... win percentage ... accurate .... system responses for my troubles.

Simms has a better arm and experience, plus we have him signed for a few seasons .... start with him if he sucks go to the checkdown and if he sucks go to the rookie. You put that rookie in there week 1 he'll get his ass chewed.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-04-2009, 08:51 AM
Look let me leave it like this... It's not going to happen.

Our defense isn't strong enough to back him up and without Gaffney, Marshall, or Moreno or our 2 starting guards in the line up he doesn't have the tools to get it done.

Throw him out there and you might as well throw him to the sharks.

And? We may not have the option.

As you so wonderfully illustrated with your childish "#1... #2... #3" business, he's the third option, and both options in front of him are injured.

IF we have to start him, because he's the number 3 and both number 1 and 2 are injured, and IF he does perform well, do you consider leaving him in even when Orton/Simms are healthy?

I only ask because you're such a brilliant evaluator of talent at the quarterback position, and know so much that we simply must get your opinion.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-04-2009, 08:52 AM
Your not adding to the football discussion... as usual.

You may want to add me to the ignore list as well.

Psst... hey TheDave... hey! Psssssst!

You may find this surprising, but telling people to shut the **** up because they're wrong and you're right isn't exactly "adding to the football discussion" either.

tsiguy96
09-04-2009, 08:52 AM
Look let me leave it like this... It's not going to happen.

Our defense isn't strong enough to back him up and without Gaffney, Marshall, or Moreno or our 2 starting guards in the line up he doesn't have the tools to get it done.

Throw him out there and you might as well throw him to the sharks.

yesterday, he played against AZs #1 defense without them, as well as no royal, stokely, or hillis. entirely backup skill players...

TheDave
09-04-2009, 08:57 AM
Psst... hey TheDave... hey! Psssssst!

You may find this surprising, but telling people to shut the **** up because they're wrong and you're right isn't exactly "adding to the football discussion" either.

OK...

"I'm sorry for hurting your feelings."

Now, can you let this go?

TheDave
09-04-2009, 08:59 AM
yesterday, he played against AZs #1 defense without them, as well as no royal, stokely, or hillis. entirely backup skill players...

I'm assuming you watched the game... Did you honestely believe AZ ever got off the plane?

I don't... IMO they look like a team headed for a MAJOR super bowl hang over.

RaiderH8r
09-04-2009, 09:00 AM
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/854146/2/istockphoto_854146_don_t_cry_over_spilt_spilled_mi lk_1.jpg

Shipping Cutler is more than spilled milk, it's a pissing down the leg crapping the bed move of a rookie coach with bad personnel and management skills combined with an owner who may or may not be in the early stages of Alzheimer's. But whatever mental gymanstics folks need to engage in to convince themselves that shipping Cutler was the right move and McKid is the Messiah is certainly fine with me, I understand.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-04-2009, 09:05 AM
Shipping Cutler is more than spilled milk, it's a pissing down the leg crapping the bed move of a rookie coach with bad personnel and management skills combined with an owner who may or may not be in the early stages of Alzheimer's. But whatever mental gymanstics folks need to engage in to convince themselves that shipping Cutler was the right move and McKid is the Messiah is certainly fine with me, I understand.

Are you familiar with the meaning of "no use crying over spilled milk"?

It means the issue is done, over with, and there's really no use in complaining or rehashing over and over and over again.

Some people seem hell bent on doing that, and it's pathetic.

RaiderH8r
09-04-2009, 09:30 AM
Are you familiar with the meaning of "no use crying over spilled milk"?

It means the issue is done, over with, and there's really no use in complaining or rehashing over and over and over again.

Some people seem hell bent on doing that, and it's pathetic.

Some people believe in accountability. And most of what is being discussed relates directly to shipping Cutler. Like do we or do we not start a 6th round rookie QB because AbOrton throws like a girl and Simms may drop his gall bladder at any given moment? Christ I need a drink.

24champ
09-04-2009, 09:32 AM
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http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2009/0903/20090903__BroncosWalker090309%7Ep1.jpg

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-04-2009, 09:36 AM
Some people believe in accountability. And most of what is being discussed relates directly to shipping Cutler. Like do we or do we not start a 6th round rookie QB because AbOrton throws like a girl and Simms may drop his gall bladder at any given moment? Christ I need a drink.

I believe in accountability. I also believe in moving on.

You're still going to be here, five, ten years from now, bitching about how if we hadn't traded Cutler we'd be much better off, and dammit these whipper snappers don't know how to play football, and shaking your fist at clouds.

"Dangol' Clouds!"

You show 'em, old man. You show 'em.

bronco militia
09-04-2009, 09:39 AM
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/6431/ortonp.jpg

lex
09-04-2009, 09:44 AM
I believe in accountability. I also believe in moving on.

You're still going to be here, five, ten years from now, b****ing about how if we hadn't traded Cutler we'd be much better off, and dammit these whipper snappers don't know how to play football, and shaking your fist at clouds.

"Dangol' Clouds!"

You show 'em, old man. You show 'em.

The Cutler issue isnt going to go away for a long, long time so you might as well get used to seeing it referenced.

TheDave
09-04-2009, 09:45 AM
Some people believe in accountability. And most of what is being discussed relates directly to shipping Cutler. Like do we or do we not start a 6th round rookie QB because AbOrton throws like a girl and Simms may drop his gall bladder at any given moment? Christ I need a drink.

The very people who cheered this trade are now pushing to start a guy who would not have even made this team 6 months ago... :tearhair:

God this is going to be a long season.

jhns
09-04-2009, 09:47 AM
Are you familiar with the meaning of "no use crying over spilled milk"?

It means the issue is done, over with, and there's really no use in complaining or rehashing over and over and over again.

Some people seem hell bent on doing that, and it's pathetic.

There is a reason to rehash it. As the fanbase gets more and more pissed, bowlen will have no choice but to fire mcdaniels. It isn't like he is having small screwups that are easy to recover from as a team. A lot of us do not want this decision making to continue for 3-4 more years as you all make excuses and fear being called bad fans.

How many more of these moves before we are the next 0 win team? You can't tell me giving away cutler, and starting Orton, is a move meant to win. You can't tell me trading a very high first for a single second round pick is a winning move. These are not moves that equate to spilled milk. Spilled milk is easily cleaned up and replaced.

Real fans want what is best for the team. Some fans care about more than the social gatherings the broncos create. Some fans actually care about the football being played and will not accept a young immature ego telling us we are better off without a QB that shares the exact same flaws as the coach feeding us these lines.

RaiderH8r
09-04-2009, 09:49 AM
I believe in accountability. I also believe in moving on.

You're still going to be here, five, ten years from now, b****ing about how if we hadn't traded Cutler we'd be much better off, and dammit these whipper snappers don't know how to play football, and shaking your fist at clouds.

"Dangol' Clouds!"

You show 'em, old man. You show 'em.

Considering it sets the club back at least 4 years at the position, yeah, you're going to be hearing about it for awhile. How long it is talked about will probably be diretly linked to how long and successful Cutler's career ends up being.

"Dangol' Clouds? WTF are you on? I'm starting to think you might be short a chromosome or two.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-04-2009, 09:50 AM
If you think what is "best for the team" is firing a guy after one season where he brought in an entirely new system and built his player roster around that system, you don't know very much about football, and you weren't around for the DC Musical Chairs that we saw over the last several years.

Eldorado
09-04-2009, 09:51 AM
Your not adding to the football discussion... as usual.

You may want to add me to the ignore list as well.


Psst... hey TheDave... hey! Psssssst!

You may find this surprising, but telling people to shut the **** up because they're wrong and you're right isn't exactly "adding to the football discussion" either.

Hey mooseknuckle, Where does he tell you to shut the **** up? All I can see is you calling him a dumb ****.

Just sayin.

RaiderH8r
09-04-2009, 09:52 AM
The very people who cheered this trade are now pushing to start a guy who would not have even made this team 6 months ago... :tearhair:

God this is going to be a long season.

Dingo Bingo Dangol' Clouds. Or whatever.

Long and short is you're exactly right and that's the tragic humor of this whole deal. There are a lot of folks who are starting to see Orton for who he really is, a journeyman or backup QB at best...and we shipped a stud for him...and that truth really hurts. Hurts a lot.

Jimmy Claussen dude...Jimmy f'ing Claussen. Write it down, you heard it here first. :wiggle:ugh!~

RaiderH8r
09-04-2009, 09:54 AM
If you think what is "best for the team" is firing a guy after one season where he brought in an entirely new system and built his player roster around that system, you don't know very much about football, and you weren't around for the DC Musical Chairs that we saw over the last several years.

Normally I would agree with you a 110% but McKid is an abnormal case. There's a good reason why clubs never send 25 year old pro bowl QBs out of town and the Bronco faithful are about to learn that painful lesson. McKid's screw up will be hanging around this club's neck long after he is gone.

Rohirrim
09-04-2009, 09:56 AM
Dingo Bingo Dangol' Clouds. Or whatever.

Long and short is you're exactly right and that's the tragic humor of this whole deal. There are a lot of folks who are starting to see Orton for who he really is, a journeyman or backup QB at best...and we shipped a stud for him...and that truth really hurts. Hurts a lot.

Jimmy Claussen dude...Jimmy f'ing Claussen. Write it down, you heard it here first. :wiggle:ugh!~

And here I was thinking Jay shipped himself out of town. Dang golly.

TheDave
09-04-2009, 09:59 AM
Dingo Bingo Dangol' Clouds. Or whatever.

Long and short is you're exactly right and that's the tragic humor of this whole deal. There are a lot of folks who are starting to see Orton for who he really is, a journeyman or backup QB at best...and we shipped a stud for him...and that truth really hurts. Hurts a lot.

Jimmy Claussen dude...Jimmy f'ing Claussen. Write it down, you heard it here first. :wiggle:ugh!~

Well, he does wear #7

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-04-2009, 10:00 AM
We actually traded Cutler for two 1sts and a third, not Orton. Orton was a throw in.

I know. Dangol' pesky details.

TailgateNut
09-04-2009, 10:02 AM
If you think what is "best for the team" is firing a guy after one season where he brought in an entirely new system and built his player roster around that system, you don't know very much about football, and you weren't around for the DC Musical Chairs that we saw over the last several years.


Why waste your time talking to the "football genius" jhnsHilarious!

All of the owners and coaches should call him before making any moves within their organization, considering his vast football knowledge.:spit:

jhns
09-04-2009, 10:04 AM
We actually traded Cutler for two 1sts and a third, not Orton. Orton was a throw in.

I know. Dangol' pesky details.

So what you are saying is we created a huge hole at the most important position in football and we should feel better because we also get some unknowns that won't be developed for a couple years, if ever? Great, that really makes me feel better.

TheDave
09-04-2009, 10:06 AM
We actually traded Cutler for two 1sts and a third, not Orton. Orton was a throw in.

I know. Dangol' pesky details.

Yeah lets look at those "Details"

Jay Cutler
5th round WR

-for-

A back up QB ("a throw in")
A 2nd string OLB
1/2 of a 3rd string TE
and something next year


That something next year better be AWESOME... 'cause right now it ain't looking so good.

tsiguy96
09-04-2009, 10:07 AM
are we actually rehashing the cutler trade, once again? the season starts in like 9 days, can we please move on. i love how people like to throw out details like his actual performance in the game. thedave its like im talking to sean hannity, everything i say you just came back with the same talking points that arent really relevant to anything. he was a 6th rd pick, who cares, what matters is how hes playing now, and thats better than the other (injured) QBs on the roster are. who cares if hes a rookie, if recent history shows anything its that rookies can easily succeed in the right circumstances, and given teh supporting cast this team has for him, brandstater could start game 1 and be fine. you dont know the offensive system thats been installed for what QBs because orton didnt run anything like what brandstater ran. dont know why, if it was for practice for the team or what mcdaniels is ok with orton running, but i dont know how you missed it: as soon as orton was out and brandstater was in, the team looked totally different. i could be 100% wrong and orton makes the pro bowl this year as regular season hasnt started, but based on everything that we have seen thus far, brandstater looks better in most parts of the game than orton has this year.

Popcorn Sutton
09-04-2009, 10:07 AM
There is a reason to rehash it. As the fanbase gets more and more pissed, bowlen will have no choice but to fire mcdaniels.

Do you think before you make these comments? As Herm Edwards would say "Hello" Bowlen is the one who made the final decision to trade Cutler. That being said why would he fire McDaniels? He should fire himself?

You and so many others calling for McDaniels head before his first regular season game ever also realize the likelihood of Bowlen paying two coaches to go away is slim to none. He's our coach for at least the next 3 years.

tsiguy96
09-04-2009, 10:08 AM
ps its equally sad the broncos had their first great showing of the preseason on both sides of the ball, and people are still bitching about mcdaniels and cutler. come on.

jhns
09-04-2009, 10:08 AM
If you think what is "best for the team" is firing a guy after one season where he brought in an entirely new system and built his player roster around that system, you don't know very much about football, and you weren't around for the DC Musical Chairs that we saw over the last several years.

Mcdaniels knows far more about Xs and Os than I ever will. He knows more about coaching than I ever will. I can confidently say I would be a much better GM than he has been so far, but that goes for our entire front office and not just mcd. They are all lost. I'm sure they can write out contracts better than me at least.

RaiderH8r
09-04-2009, 10:08 AM
We actually traded Cutler for two 1sts and a third, not Orton. Orton was a throw in.

I know. Dangol' pesky details.

Except one of those firsts ended up being a second. So really a 1st a 2nd and a 3rd and McKid's personally picked replacement for Cutler in Orton. Orton has all the tools blah blah blah.

More than that, does anybody realize one of Orton's biggest critics on the Mane has spent this thread defending him as the best chance to win now and McKid's biggest fans are suggesting we go with the rookie? It is bizarro world.

TheDave
09-04-2009, 10:12 AM
are we actually rehashing the cutler trade, once again? the season starts in like 9 days, can we please move on. i love how people like to throw out details like his actual performance in the game. thedave its like im talking to sean hannity, everything i say you just came back with the same talking points that arent really relevant to anything. he was a 6th rd pick, who cares, what matters is how hes playing now, and thats better than the other (injured) QBs on the roster are. who cares if hes a rookie, if recent history shows anything its that rookies can easily succeed in the right circumstances, and given teh supporting cast this team has for him, brandstater could start game 1 and be fine. you dont know the offensive system thats been installed for what QBs because orton didnt run anything like what brandstater ran. dont know why, if it was for practice for the team or what mcdaniels is ok with orton running, but i dont know how you missed it: as soon as orton was out and brandstater was in, the team looked totally different. i could be 100% wrong and orton makes the pro bowl this year as regular season hasnt started, but based on everything that we have seen thus far, brandstater looks better in most parts of the game than orton has this year.

Unfortunately, we are rehashing it because some of you are pushing for a 6th round scrub to start at the most important position on the field. He would not have even made the team 6 months ago.

6 months ago we had a top 10 player in the league at that position... Now were hoping "Brandy" has what it takes.

It just very dificult for some of us to watch some of you finally wake up...

TailgateNut
09-04-2009, 10:15 AM
. I can confidently say I would be a much better GM than he has been so far, but that goes for our entire front office and not just mcd. .

:spit:

What have you managed to date? Not spilling your milk?

randomtask
09-04-2009, 10:15 AM
Brandstarter, very nice. :notworthy

tsiguy96
09-04-2009, 10:17 AM
Unfortunately, we are rehashing it because some of you are pushing for a 6th round scrub to start at the most important position on the field. He would not have even made the team 6 months ago.

6 months ago we had a top 10 player in the league at that position... Now were hoping "Brandy" has what it takes.

It just very dificult for some of us to watch some of you finally wake up...

theres those same talking points. now do you want to actually talk about how he performed on the field, which was leading the team to points in 4 of his first 5 drives, or do you just want to continue calling him a 6th round scrub?

did you call TD a 6th round scrub when he was drafted and named starter? or shannon sharpe a 7th round scrub? cutler is no longer on this team, he will never, ever be back, sitting here rehashing the reasons why is ridiculous, it happened over 5 months ago.

jhns
09-04-2009, 10:18 AM
Do you think before you make these comments? As Herm Edwards would say "Hello" Bowlen is the one who made the final decision to trade Cutler. That being said why would he fire McDaniels? He should fire himself?

You and so many others calling for McDaniels head before his first regular season game ever should also realize the likelihood of Bowlen paying two coaches to go away is slim to none. He's our coach for at least the next 3 years.

You can think it was bowlen all you want. I give him some blame. I'm not calling for his head though. You have to be kidding with the believing every statement put out for the media though. When exactly has bowlen been the owner to go over his coaches head and give away a starting QB? This is not the first or last player to piss him off so it isn't like you can say it was his first chance. You think what you want though, you will never convince anyone.

As for the second paragraph, I fear you are correct and I have known and thought about this. Bowlen does have money though. To get rid of mcdaniels and sign a new coach, he would just have to make one less overpriced FA signing next year. People say he is broke but then never look at the amount of money we throw at FAs EVERY year.

I have also heard shanny stops getting paid when he gets another job. I have also heard his pay is just cut to a fraction but he still gets some. Either way, he will coach again soon and bowlen isn't going to have to pay him anymore.

Popcorn Sutton
09-04-2009, 10:23 AM
You can think it was bowlen all you want. I give him some blame. I'm not calling for his head though. You have to be kidding with the believing every statement put out for the media though. When exactly has bowlen been the owner to go over his coaches head and give away a starting QB? This is not the first or last player to piss him off so it isn't like you can say it was his first chance. You think what you want though, you will never convince anyone.

As for the second paragraph, I fear you are correct and I have known and thought about this. Bowlen does have money though. To get rid of mcdaniels and sign a new coach, he would just have to make one less overpriced FA signing next year. People say he is broke but then never look at the amount of money we throw at FAs EVERY year.

I have also heard shanny stops getting paid when he gets another job. I have also heard his pay is just cut to a fraction but he still gets some. Either way, he will coach again soon and bowlen isn't going to have to pay him anymore.

Dear Broncos Fan,

I am writing this letter today because I feel compelled to give our community and our fans an explanation regarding the Jay Cutler situation.

One of my directives to Josh McDaniels upon his hiring was that he consider everything possible to return the Broncos to the level which you and I both expect, and this certainly includes making a fair evaluation of every opportunity presented to us which might improve the team. He and General Manager Brian Xanders have had my complete support throughout, and they have it now. It is important that you know that at all times we represented ourselves to Jay with honesty and integrity.

I assure you both Josh and I made repeated attempts to reach out to Jay, and I can not speak for him as to why he chose to limit his response. Ultimately, given his unwillingness to speak with either of us directly in the last 12 days- at the same time his agent clearly stating to us Jay's intentions- it became very apparent to me personally that he no longer wanted to play for the Denver Broncos. As such, we elected to trade him.

Understand this: it remains about team. Our franchise has gone to the Super Bowl six times, with three different coaches and with many different players. It has never been about one player, and it never will be. Coach McDaniels shares this vision, and everyone in the organization—players, coaches and staff—must understand and accept this unconditionally. If anyone does not, that person will not be a part of this franchise.

I am extremely proud of our franchise, its accomplishments, and the region and fans that we represent. We have an illustrious history, one which we are all anxious to add to, and if someone does not wish to be with us as we head in this direction, then we will move on, and move forward.

Over 96% of our season ticket holders have chosen to renew their tickets for the 2009 season. This is once again a compelling statement of support and trust by the greatest fans in the NFL, and I assure you my only goal is and always will be to compete at the highest championship level.

The Denver Broncos will move forward in 2009 as one team, united with the most loyal and passionate fan base in football, towards the only goal we will ever pursue.

Thank you for taking the time to read this and for your understanding and continued support.

Sincerely,

Pat Bowlen

:bronxrox:

jhns
09-04-2009, 10:23 AM
:spit:

What have you managed to date? Not spilling your milk?

I sure haven't given away a very good young QB in my life. That makes me a better GM than anyone the broncos have.

lex
09-04-2009, 10:23 AM
theres those same talking points. now do you want to actually talk about how he performed on the field, which was leading the team to points in 4 of his first 5 drives, or do you just want to continue calling him a 6th round scrub?

did you call TD a 6th round scrub when he was drafted and named starter? or shannon sharpe a 7th round scrub? cutler is no longer on this team, he will never, ever be back, sitting here rehashing the reasons why is ridiculous, it happened over 5 months ago.

Cutler has ghost, guy. Cutler not gone, guy.

lex
09-04-2009, 10:25 AM
Dear Broncos Fan,

I am writing this letter today because I feel compelled to give our community and our fans an explanation regarding the Jay Cutler situation.

One of my directives to Josh McDaniels upon his hiring was that he consider everything possible to return the Broncos to the level which you and I both expect, and this certainly includes making a fair evaluation of every opportunity presented to us which might improve the team. He and General Manager Brian Xanders have had my complete support throughout, and they have it now. It is important that you know that at all times we represented ourselves to Jay with honesty and integrity.

I assure you both Josh and I made repeated attempts to reach out to Jay, and I can not speak for him as to why he chose to limit his response. Ultimately, given his unwillingness to speak with either of us directly in the last 12 days- at the same time his agent clearly stating to us Jay's intentions- it became very apparent to me personally that he no longer wanted to play for the Denver Broncos. As such, we elected to trade him.

Understand this: it remains about team. Our franchise has gone to the Super Bowl six times, with three different coaches and with many different players. It has never been about one player, and it never will be. Coach McDaniels shares this vision, and everyone in the organization—players, coaches and staff—must understand and accept this unconditionally. If anyone does not, that person will not be a part of this franchise.

I am extremely proud of our franchise, its accomplishments, and the region and fans that we represent. We have an illustrious history, one which we are all anxious to add to, and if someone does not wish to be with us as we head in this direction, then we will move on, and move forward.

Over 96% of our season ticket holders have chosen to renew their tickets for the 2009 season. This is once again a compelling statement of support and trust by the greatest fans in the NFL, and I assure you my only goal is and always will be to compete at the highest championship level.

The Denver Broncos will move forward in 2009 as one team, united with the most loyal and passionate fan base in football, towards the only goal we will ever pursue.

Thank you for taking the time to read this and for your understanding and continued support.

Sincerely,

Pat Bowlen

"This one's for John!"

--Pat Bowlen

jhns
09-04-2009, 10:28 AM
:bronxrox:

So what part of "we decided" tells you it was all Bowlen? Why would you think he wouldn't try taking some pressure off his rookie coach? Lastly, what gives you the impression that Bowlen now takes charge of situations on his own without careing what the coach thinks?

tsiguy96
09-04-2009, 10:28 AM
Cutler has ghost, guy. Cutler not gone, guy.

unfortunately, this is true :(

hes gone, move on!

jhns
09-04-2009, 10:29 AM
"This one's for John!"

--Pat Bowlen

"Jay Cutler is the man around here now."

--Pat Bowlen

chex
09-04-2009, 10:34 AM
"Jay Cutler is the man around here now."

--Pat Bowlen

If you tell your girlfriend you love her and always want to be with her, and she tells you she wants to break up and go separate ways, and you oblige, does that mean you lied when you told her you always wanted to be with her?

Popcorn Sutton
09-04-2009, 10:35 AM
So what part of "we decided" tells you it was all Bowlen? Why would you think he wouldn't try taking some pressure off his rookie coach? Lastly, what gives you the impression that Bowlen now takes charge of situations on his own without careing what the coach thinks?

Dude, just go back to your original statement. I'm not arguing with you but you were calling for Bowlen to fire McDaniels and I am simply trying to explain to you that Bowlen was as much a part of it as McDaniels was. How's he going to fire McDaniels for something he took part in.

I don't think Bowlen makes decisions without concern for what McDaniels thinks. The Cutler situation was a unique one in that Bowlen played more of a role than I've ever seen before. I bolded the part where Bowlen said how he personally felt about the issue. Yes of course he's going to come to the defense of his rookie coach. Yes, McDaniels may have agreed with him but one things for sure. As a rookie coach, if your boss the owner of the team wants to trade a player, it's probably in your best interests to play along.

Like I said, I'm not going to argue with you. You can carry on hoping Bowlen is going to fire him and I'll continue to point out that he's still here. Whether you like it or not, Bowlen has committed to him. Just a few posts ago you said that you were a better GM than McDaniels. That's funny because Xanders is the GM. Don't you realize your hatred of McDaniels is making you delirious?

tsiguy96
09-04-2009, 10:35 AM
can we seriously get over the cutler threads, or atleast merge them into one thread so we dont have to rehash this **** every week of the season?

Rohirrim
09-04-2009, 10:37 AM
can we seriously get over the cutler threads, or atleast merge them into one thread so we dont have to rehash this **** every week of the season?

That's like asking the girls on "The View" not to talk about Michelle Obama's new pants suit. Ha!

tsiguy96
09-04-2009, 10:39 AM
That's like asking the girls on "The View" not to talk about Michelle Obama's new pants suit. Ha!

http://municipalwinemakers.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/trust_me_i_know_internets.jpg

Popcorn Sutton
09-04-2009, 10:39 AM
"Jay Cutler is the man around here now."

--Pat Bowlen

You are just making my point stronger! Bowlen even went so far as to say he couldn't remember conversations he had with Jay. He completely eff'd up the entire situation and is as much to blame for it as Josh McDaniels. But hey, you are convinced that McDaniels will be fired!

jhns
09-04-2009, 10:44 AM
Dude, just go back to your original statement. I'm not arguing with you but you were calling for Bowlen to fire McDaniels and I am simply trying to explain to you that Bowlen was as much a part of it as McDaniels was. How's he going to fire McDaniels for something he took part in.

I don't think Bowlen makes decisions without concern for what McDaniels thinks. The Cutler situation was a unique one in that Bowlen played more of a role than I've ever seen before. I bolded the part where Bowlen said how he personally felt about the issue. Yes of course he's going to come to the defense of his rookie coach. Yes, McDaniels may have agreed with him but one things for sure. As a rookie coach, if your boss the owner of the team wants to trade a player, it's probably in your best interests to play along.

Like I said, I'm not going to argue with you. You can carry on hoping Bowlen is going to fire him and I'll continue to point out that he's still here. Whether you like it or not, Bowlen has committed to him. Just a few posts ago you said that you were a better GM than McDaniels. That's funny because Xanders is the GM. Don't you realize your hatred of McDaniels is making you delirious?

Riiiight. Xanders is now the GM. Is that why he wasnt at the cutler meetings? Is that why it was mcdaniels listening to trade offers for cutler? Is that why mcdaniels got to make the choice of who the gm is? That is normal power distribution all right....

Bowlen did have as much to do with it but I'm not going to call for his head. He is doing his job fine, which is signing checks. He hires others to make football decisions and guide him. He said so this offseason. If those guys direct him down a bad path, I have no doubt they will get fired. He will also fire mcdaniels if the fans get in any more of an uproar. He is running a buisness after all. Those numbers for season tickert holders where in to early. I have a ton of friends that got new season tickets and jumped way up the list. That doesn't happen if there is a 96 percent renewall.

Popcorn Sutton
09-04-2009, 10:54 AM
Riiiight. Xanders is now the GM. Is that why he wasnt at the cutler meetings? Is that why it was mcdaniels listening to trade offers for cutler? Is that why mcdaniels got to make the choice of who the gm is? That is normal power distribution all right....

Bowlen did have as much to do with it but I'm not going to call for his head. He is doing his job fine, which is signing checks. He hires others to make football decisions and guide him. He said so this offseason. If those guys direct him down a bad path, I have no doubt they will get fired. He will also fire mcdaniels if the fans get in any more of an uproar. He is running a buisness after all. Those numbers for season tickert holders where in to early. I have a ton of friends that got new season tickets and jumped way up the list. That doesn't happen if there is a 96 percent renewall.

Wow, you are digging yourself a hole man.

Cutler and Cook issued the trade request a day after a meeting with McDaniels and general manager Brian Xanders did not go the way quarterback had hoped.

Cutler, who is still in Nashville, Tenn., and his agent, Bus Cook, spoke via conference call with McDaniels, general manager Brian Xanders and team owner Pat Bowlen.

On Saturday, Cutler and his agent, Bus Cook, met with McDaniels and general manager Brian Xanders in what the Broncos described as mild-mannered conversations at Dove Valley.

McDaniels, 32, was hired in January, and the Broncos promoted Brian Xanders, 37, to general manager last month. Both of them report directly to owner Pat Bowlen, who hasn't publicly addressed the rift between his new coach and his temperamental quarterback.

jhns
09-04-2009, 11:00 AM
Wow, you are digging yourself a hole man.

Ok maybe he was at the meetings. I can't be right about everything. Now that you found a hole in a single point, what about the others? Why was it mcdaniels doing trade talks, which people claim we received and didn't make, which means he is the one getting called for roster moves. Why is he able to say who the gm is? A real gm is above the coach, not the other way around. Why do you think the goodmans aren't here? Did they just do a bad job?

Edit: Your last quote there shows it. Mcdaniels isn't working under the GM. It is pretty well known he makes a lot of player decisions as well. You have to be a smart one to think he has no GM responsibilities.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-04-2009, 11:01 AM
What was this thread about again?

Oh yeah, Brandstater.

Yet lex managed to make it about Bowlen. Again.

Another thread derailed because TJ and Blue want to put up with lex's nonsense because he strokes their egos.

Awesome decision.

(BTW, I realize what I just posted is off topic. But I figure if this is bound for the Butt -- as are most posts that somehow involve lex -- I might as well get a shot in.)

Popcorn Sutton
09-04-2009, 11:02 AM
Ok maybe he was at the meetings. I can't be right about everything. Now that you found a hole in a single point, what about the others? Why was it mcdaniels doing trade talks, which people claim we received and didn't make, which means he is the one getting called for roster moves. Why is he able to say who the gm is? A real gm is above the coach, not the other way around. Why do you think the goodmans aren't here? Did they just do a bad job?

I'm just trying to show you that your contempt towards McDaniels and wishes for him to be fired are falling on deaf ears when it comes to Pat Bowlen. He will be our coach for at least the next 3 years and you will be miserable.

I have to get back to work.

thumpc
09-04-2009, 11:11 AM
There is a reason to rehash it. As the fanbase gets more and more pissed, bowlen will have no choice but to fire mcdaniels. It isn't like he is having small screwups that are easy to recover from as a team. A lot of us do not want this decision making to continue for 3-4 more years as you all make excuses and fear being called bad fans.

How many more of these moves before we are the next 0 win team? You can't tell me giving away cutler, and starting Orton, is a move meant to win. You can't tell me trading a very high first for a single second round pick is a winning move. These are not moves that equate to spilled milk. Spilled milk is easily cleaned up and replaced.

Real fans want what is best for the team. Some fans care about more than the social gatherings the broncos create. Some fans actually care about the football being played and will not accept a young immature ego telling us we are better off without a QB that shares the exact same flaws as the coach feeding us these lines.

There is reason to breath, sit down, and have a glass of shut the **** up. You should extend an olive branch to Rod Smith, maybe he can work on your attitude too.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-04-2009, 11:22 AM
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/6431/ortonp.jpg

Suprise Buttsecks!!! ROFL

Dr. Broncenstein
09-04-2009, 11:28 AM
I'm really excited about Brandstatter... have been since the draft. Pat Kirwan had a lot of good things to say about him before the draft. It somehow stuck with me, and I had him on my day two draft wishlist. He certainly has the physical tools to get the job done. I'd like to see him watch and learn this year... and only see real playing time towards the latter half of the season if/when we are out of playoff contention. He looks like a legit prospect.

TheDave
09-04-2009, 11:33 AM
theres those same talking points. now do you want to actually talk about how he performed on the field, which was leading the team to points in 4 of his first 5 drives, or do you just want to continue calling him a 6th round scrub?

did you call TD a 6th round scrub when he was drafted and named starter? or shannon sharpe a 7th round scrub? cutler is no longer on this team, he will never, ever be back, sitting here rehashing the reasons why is ridiculous, it happened over 5 months ago.

First off... he has about a 1% chance of becoming HOF worthy like TD or Shannon Sharpe. So we can drop the "Brandy next TD" crap.

Do you remember Jarious Jackson and Bradly Van Pelt lighting it up in the final preseason games? I do... and look how their careers went.

Like you told us 1000 X's it's just preseason... act accordingly.

TheDave
09-04-2009, 11:36 AM
can we seriously get over the cutler threads, or atleast merge them into one thread so we dont have to rehash this **** every week of the season?

Were talking about a 6th round rookie taking over for who?

Hmmmm, who was the last guy to start at QB for us... hmmmmm

jhns
09-04-2009, 11:37 AM
There is reason to breath, sit down, and have a glass of shut the **** up. You should extend an olive branch to Rod Smith, maybe he can work on your attitude too.

LOL

That is some funny stuff. You are telling me I need to talk to rod for an attitude adjustment as you post like a pissed off 12 year old.

You all can skip my posts if you don't want to read them. Complaining will probably just get me to post even more.

tsiguy96
09-04-2009, 11:38 AM
First off... he has about a 1% chance of becoming HOF worthy like TD or Shannon Sharpe. So we can drop the "Brandy next TD" crap.

Do you remember Jarious Jackson and Bradly Van Pelt lighting it up in the final preseason games? I do... and look how their careers went.

Like you told us 1000 X's it's just preseason... act accordingly.

im aware its preseason, ive said so every time. hes still playing against starters and looks far better than than orton or chris simms so far this preseason. and who cares who our QB was last year, how does that help us now or in the future? hes gone and never coming back, why keep talking about him?

jhns
09-04-2009, 11:41 AM
im aware its preseason, ive said so every time. hes still playing against starters and looks far better than than orton or chris simms so far this preseason. and who cares who our QB was last year, how does that help us now or in the future? hes gone and never coming back, why keep talking about him?

Why talk about him? Because we want to. If you don't want to then don't. This isn't a new or complicated concept. Free will and all.

TailgateNut
09-04-2009, 11:41 AM
I sure haven't given away a very good young QB in my life. That makes me a better GM than anyone the broncos have.

How can anyone with no possesions give away anything?

What a tool!

If I have a young person working for me who MAY have potential but makes it clear to me that he's not happy working for my company, I will evaluate my options which would include a replacement. I would not, and could not afford to wait until he decided to leave.

tsiguy96
09-04-2009, 11:43 AM
Why talk about him? Because we want to. If you don't want to then don't. This isn't a new or complicated concept. Free will and all.

its hard not to because every single thread is about him. this is a thread about the rookie QB whos shown flashes of being far better than his draft position would indicate, and it turned into anti-bowlen trash and cutler suck-fest.

24champ
09-04-2009, 11:44 AM
First off... he has about a 1% chance of becoming HOF worthy like TD or Shannon Sharpe. So we can drop the "Brandy next TD" crap.

Do you remember Jarious Jackson and Bradly Van Pelt lighting it up in the final preseason games? I do... and look how their careers went.

Like you told us 1000 X's it's just preseason... act accordingly.

Unlike Jackson and to some extent Van Pelt. Brandstater is a prototype QB physically. Once he gets the mental part of the game down, he will be good. He still makes a couple mistakes, but I haven't seen the Broncos put points on the board consistently this preseason. Brandstater did an excellent job in that area in two games. He will be a backup this season and will be under the tutelage of McD. If you aren't impressed by how much he has improved from the Seattle game, then I don't know what will impress you this season Dave.

TheDave
09-04-2009, 11:46 AM
im aware its preseason, ive said so every time. hes still playing against starters and looks far better than than orton or chris simms so far this preseason. and who cares who our QB was last year, how does that help us now or in the future? hes gone and never coming back, why keep talking about him?

Yeah he lit 'em up just like Jarius and Bradley did before him...

As for the Jay talk... get used to it. Hell Plummer and greise still get talked about.

TheDave
09-04-2009, 11:48 AM
Unlike Jackson and to some extent Van Pelt. Brandstater is a prototype QB physically. Once he gets the mental part of the game down, he will be good. He still makes a couple mistakes, but I haven't seen the Broncos put points on the board consistently this preseason. Brandstater did an excellent job in that area in two games. He will be a backup this season and will be under the tutelage of McD. If you aren't impressed by how much he has improved from the Seattle game, then I don't know what will impress you this season Dave.

I can't believe I'm defending Kyle Orton...

But this kid is no where near as good... yet.

Next season I'll be more than willing to talk about giving him a shot. He just isn't ready at this point.

tsiguy96
09-04-2009, 11:51 AM
you keep saying he isnt ready, yet you really give no reasons why. you just keep saying he isnt ready. sean, please stop using the same talking points and try using facts. hes led this team to far more points and looking far better and balanced than anyone else has. you dont know how much of the playbook he has, theyve run from shotgun, from single i formation, theyve spread 4 wide and 2 TE sets with brandstater in there. they did nothing even remotely close to this much with anyone else. natural progression of mcd's preseason playcalling? probably, but atleast brandstater is pulling it off.

jhns
09-04-2009, 11:52 AM
How can anyone with no possesions give away anything?

What a tool!

If I have a young person working for me who MAY have potential but makes it clear to me that he's not happy working for my company, I will evaluate my options which would include a replacement. I would not, and could not afford to wait until he decided to leave.

No possesions? LOL You talk like you know me. I'm not sure you want to get in a war of who is more successful. I am only 25 and I bet I could make you look bad.

I will say that you are a joke. You dont manage highly skilled jobs and it shows with the way you talk. Yes, even in the real business world there are people that get special treatment. Don't kid yourself.

24champ
09-04-2009, 11:56 AM
I can't believe I'm defending Kyle Orton...

But this kid is no where near as good... yet.

Next season I'll be more than willing to talk about giving him a shot. He just isn't ready at this point.

I can't believe you are either, if you were talking about starting Simms...I would agree with you on that point. However Tom B has looked really good this preseason, and has shown command in the huddle. I was at the game last night, he was ALWAYS talking to McKinley, the O-line on the sidelines. He showed some leadership. Secondly it isn't just vanilla offense crap either. Last night they were in a bunch of different formations. I suspect since both QBs are hurt, McD is getting Brandstater ready for week 1....just in case. I don't think he starts in Cinci or early in the season.

TheDave
09-04-2009, 12:03 PM
you keep saying he isnt ready, yet you really give no reasons why. you just keep saying he isnt ready. sean, please stop using the same talking points and try using facts. hes led this team to far more points and looking far better and balanced than anyone else has. you dont know how much of the playbook he has, theyve run from shotgun, from single i formation, theyve spread 4 wide and 2 TE sets with brandstater in there. they did nothing even remotely close to this much with anyone else. natural progression of mcd's preseason playcalling? probably, but atleast brandstater is pulling it off.

First whose sean?

2nd I've given facts... here they are again.

1. That offense was un****ing believably simple. Too simple to work in the real season. Single read followed by chucking it up against single coverage.

2. To top it off he only went 16/30 (just over 50% completion) with this un****ing believably simple offense. That's not good enough.

3. He's a rookie and will go through massive struggles like all rookies and .we don't have a defense that can bail him out like Flacco

4. Kyle Orton is our best chance of winning now. (again, i just gagged typing that).

5. He's #3 meaning Chris Simms will get a chance before he does.

6. He played well against a team that never got off of the plane and we shut them out.

7. The coach you have been defending for months agrees with me. (again, I just gagged)

TheDave
09-04-2009, 12:10 PM
I can't believe you are either, if you were talking about starting Simms...I would agree with you on that point. However Tom B has looked really good this preseason, and has shown command in the huddle. I was at the game last night, he was ALWAYS talking to McKinley, the O-line on the sidelines. He showed some leadership. Secondly it isn't just vanilla offense crap either. Last night they were in a bunch of different formations. I suspect since both QBs are hurt, McD is getting Brandstater ready for week 1....just in case. I don't think he starts in Cinci or early in the season.

IMO Simms won't be ready to play for a few more weeks... high ankle sprians are a bitch to heal from.

Once he's ready to play then we can talk about who should start between him and Orton.

24champ
09-04-2009, 12:15 PM
IMO Simms won't be ready to play for a few more weeks... high ankle sprians are a b**** to heal from.

Once he's ready to play then we can talk about who should start between him and Orton.

I've heard through the grapevine, that if yesterday was a regular season game...Simms would have gotten the nod. Plus he starts practicing on Monday.

TheDave
09-04-2009, 12:18 PM
I've heard through the grapevine, that if yesterday was a regular season game...Simms would have gotten the nod. Plus he starts practicing on Monday.

If thats the case then Orton has exactly one game to prove he deserves to be the starter... Then Simms gets his chance.

Then if both these turds **** this up I'll join you on the Brandstater train. But I am not calling him "Brandy"... no way.

24champ
09-04-2009, 12:20 PM
I'll join you on the Brandstater train.

There's two seats left on the train...one seat next to Elsid...and the other is next to Dortoh. Which one you want me to reserve?

TheDave
09-04-2009, 12:23 PM
There's two seats left on the train...one seat next to Elsid...and the other is next to Dortoh. Which one you want me to reserve?

You better give me both... One for me one for the alcohol.

After the last 5 months it's going to take a lot of booze for me to cheer for a late round rookie at QB. 8')

USMCBladerunner
09-04-2009, 12:26 PM
these threads are becoming indistinguishable from one another...

Bowlen won't be firing McDaniels anytime soon. jhns, in case you forgot (which is certainly possible as you seem to have forgotten a number of things regarding Cutler's trade) it was Bowlen that called a press conference to announce the team would trade Cutler...there are many folks like yourself that seem determined to pin the trade on McDaniels, and he certainly created the environment around the decision, but the facts that are out there all indicate that it was Bowlen that pulled that trigger, and as such, won't be viewing QB failure (which I also fear in imminent) as grounds for rapid dismissal of McDaniels.

24champ
09-04-2009, 12:29 PM
You better give me both... One for me one for the alcohol.

After the last 5 months it's going to take a lot of booze for me to cheer for a late round rookie at QB. 8')

Done.

FYI did you know Brandstater is undefeated as a starter in teh NFL?

TailgateNut
09-04-2009, 12:58 PM
No possesions? LOL You talk like you know me. I'm not sure you want to get in a war of who is more successful. I am only 25 and I bet I could make you look bad.

I will say that you are a joke. You dont manage highly skilled jobs and it shows with the way you talk. Yes, even in the real business world there are people that get special treatment. Don't kid yourself.


LOL

You sure don't take the time to read before spewing, do you. You stated:"I sure haven't given away a very good young QB in my life", to which I replied "How can anyone with no possesions give away anything". Which part of that went over your tiny little head?

Then you laugh about not knowing you but making claims, yet you do the same in the following paragraph.

Your doubt about my "skills" bothers me as much as "the man in the moon".

I know for a fact that numerous highly rated Engineering firms would love to employ me if I ever decided to "punch the clock" again.

So, don't be fooled little boy. Many successful people appear rough around the edges, and first impressions are not always correct. (that biker with the long hair and tattoos could very well be a wealthy businessman, and that well groomed man in designer clothing may have spent a months income to impress someone).

One day you'll understand, and I do forgive your ignorance due to your youth.

jhns
09-04-2009, 01:05 PM
these threads are becoming indistinguishable from one another...

Bowlen won't be firing McDaniels anytime soon. jhns, in case you forgot (which is certainly possible as you seem to have forgotten a number of things regarding Cutler's trade) it was Bowlen that called a press conference to announce the team would trade Cutler...there are many folks like yourself that seem determined to pin the trade on McDaniels, and he certainly created the environment around the decision, but the facts that are out there all indicate that it was Bowlen that pulled that trigger, and as such, won't be viewing QB failure (which I also fear in imminent) as grounds for rapid dismissal of McDaniels.

Again, bowlen said this offseason ALL decisions go through him and always have. Does that make you believe shanahan didn't do anything other than coach? He also said he knows little about football and pays people to guide him to the correct decisions. McDaniels and Xanders are the ones doing that now.

You think what you want but I guarantee if we do as bad as I think, mcdaniels will be gone. The trade will be pinned to him just like every decision of the past 15 years has been put on shanahan. They aren't going to have to worry about selling out on game days but the season ticket holders are already showing they don't want to support this. They have gone through a lot of the waiting list this offseason. If that continues (which it will only get worse if we don't win a lot) bowlen will have no choice. This is a business after all.

That is all assuming that the money rumors aren't true. Even if they are it only would affect bowlen if shanahan doesn't get a job and he has to continue paying him.

tsiguy96
09-04-2009, 01:06 PM
can we get back to talking about brandstater please. no one cares about what bowlen did or said 6 months ago.

jhns
09-04-2009, 01:09 PM
can we get back to talking about brandstater please. no one cares about what bowlen did or said 6 months ago.

Then why are more people talking about it than brandstater? Way to think that one through.

tsiguy96
09-04-2009, 01:11 PM
i really, really dont know why they are, probably because people like and you and lex wont just let it go and move on and feel the need to side track every single thread on the forum.

TailgateNut
09-04-2009, 01:14 PM
i really, really dont know why they are, probably because people like and you and lex wont just let it go and move on and feel the need to side track every single thread on the forum.

EMO for "the EMO".:thanku:

Doggcow
09-04-2009, 01:15 PM
Brandstarter needs to lower a shoulder and knock out a safety so he can join the "White guys smashing kids" club.

jhns
09-04-2009, 01:19 PM
i really, really dont know why they are, probably because people like and you and lex wont just let it go and move on and feel the need to side track every single thread on the forum.

Awww, poor guy. You need a tissue? Now find me a single thread I have taken off topic. I discuss what is being discussed.

gunns
09-04-2009, 01:37 PM
I'm loving Brandstater. He seems more poised in the pocket than most rookies. Will McD swallow his pride and start him? I doubt it. But I do see him coming in if Orton or Simms **** it up. I say we aren't expecting to do much this year but see what we have, get him in there and get the experience.

BMarsh615
09-04-2009, 02:57 PM
amiright?

I'm on the bandwagon.

rofl!

TheDave
09-04-2009, 04:39 PM
Well folks it looks like we are about to see just how good he really is...

Doggcow
09-04-2009, 05:00 PM
Awesome!

EVERYONE ON THE BRANDWAGON?

BRANDSTARTERS HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Doggcow
09-05-2009, 09:18 PM
Bump for Tommy-B having the moxie

ghwk
09-05-2009, 09:44 PM
Awww, poor guy. You need a tissue? Now find me a single thread I have taken off topic. I discuss what is being discussed.

Dweeb. Can't be a seasoned veteran and new to the forum at the same time. Make up your mind!

Cito Pelon
09-05-2009, 10:16 PM
Dude has the 'it' factor. He attacks. I like that.

Doggcow
11-15-2009, 02:16 PM
Bump

24champ
11-15-2009, 02:22 PM
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Arizona+Cardinals+v+Denver+Broncos+HiMwS8uLX6Ll.jp g

Popps
11-15-2009, 02:33 PM
I can't imagine Simms ever plays another down for us, but maybe I'm just overreacting after a loss.

I just can't recall the last time I saw a QB look that helpless.

Sodak
11-15-2009, 02:38 PM
I can't imagine Simms ever plays another down for us, but maybe I'm just overreacting after a loss.

I just can't recall the last time I saw a QB look that helpless.

I do. His name was Ramsey, er, Buerlein, or Brister.

peacepipe
11-15-2009, 03:23 PM
I do. His name was Ramsey, er, Buerlein, or Brister.Buerlien wasn't terrible,he wasn't great but servicable. Brister actually looked pretty damn good during the 98 season on our way to the SB.

ZONA
11-15-2009, 03:28 PM
6-3, I'm sure the coaches are not going to send the "mailing it in" note to the rest of the team by starting TB next week. If we were 3-6, yeah ok, I get that.

peacepipe
11-15-2009, 03:29 PM
Again, bowlen said this offseason ALL decisions go through him and always have. Does that make you believe shanahan didn't do anything other than coach? He also said he knows little about football and pays people to guide him to the correct decisions. McDaniels and Xanders are the ones doing that now.

You think what you want but I guarantee if we do as bad as I think, mcdaniels will be gone. The trade will be pinned to him just like every decision of the past 15 years has been put on shanahan. They aren't going to have to worry about selling out on game days but the season ticket holders are already showing they don't want to support this. They have gone through a lot of the waiting list this offseason. If that continues (which it will only get worse if we don't win a lot) bowlen will have no choice. This is a business after all.

That is all assuming that the money rumors aren't true. Even if they are it only would affect bowlen if shanahan doesn't get a job and he has to continue paying him.

Bottomline: McDaniels isn't going anywhere, Bowlen isn't type of owner to get rid of a coach 1 yr in. I strongly expect McDaniels will be the Broncos coach for yrs to come.

Sodak
11-15-2009, 03:43 PM
Buerlien wasn't terrible,he wasn't great but servicable. Brister actually looked pretty damn good during the 98 season on our way to the SB.

Really. I don't remember Buerlein doin anything but run around losing yards. Looking like he was taking his first snap, when actually it was his last. And Brister? I dunno. He took the fall for someone and never played again.

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 04:24 PM
Backup quarterbacks always suck.


Except Kubiak :strong:

Broncomutt
11-15-2009, 04:35 PM
Simms was unprepared and it showed. He was shaking like a French soldier.

I thought they removed his spleen, not his backbone.