Overpaidbicker

[Garcia Bronco]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/6931721

[Garcia Bronco]

Point is...he seled the deal on Sunday and this is well deserved.

[Tredici]

Point is... another Bronco who has proven to be the best to play at his position. Thankfully there are these little weekly awards to remind us of what we've got.

[winstoncup bronco]

I never had a problem with the contract. He got what he was going to get whether it was from us or somebody else, and having a reliable PK is something that cannot be overstated.

The guy is 25-29 on FG's and 35-35 on PAT's. People were saying Vinatieri was better, but I'll take this type of production.

[Jason in LA]

With all that Elam has accomplished, where does he stack up against the all time best kickers? I don't pay much attention to their numbers, but he'll probably go down as one of the best off all time. It's hard to argue with his numbers. Are any kickers in the HOF, or do they go to the soccer HOF;D .

[Evenrude]

A great kicker is like a great woman.... you never appreciate them 'till they're gone.....

[watermock]

Not only that, but Elam hammered two kickoffs for touchbacks!

[winstoncup bronco]

Originally posted by watermock
Not only that, but Elam hammered two kickoffs for touchbacks!

Only you would be more concerned with a kicker putting it through the endzone rather than the uprights.

[broncogary]

Originally posted by winstoncup bronco


Only you would be more concerned with a kicker putting it through the endzone rather than the uprights.

I'm more concerned with the whereabouts of Knorr.

[FADERPROOF]

Dude makes a FG in OT and all of a sudden he is the second coming of Christ ::)

How easily we forget the Bears game this year along with the KC game, or SD and Indy last year, or even the fact that there are at least 5 better K's in the league now.

He's not overpaid though ::)

[watermock]

That 27 yarder from the 9 yard line, in nearly perfect conditions, at home, on second down was frought with peril.

I don't get it. He made his field goals. I went thru this. He managed to squeeze one thru from 51, and didn't pull his groin.

Then he hit two field goals, the last when we ran Portis one two many times because Shanahan was obviously nervous about the kicking game.

So whatever. He had a great game, but it wasn't anything particuliarly mind boggling. Two kicks inside the 40 doesn't make the cover of time.

38 carries DOES.

[winstoncup bronco]

Originally posted by DenFan38
Dude makes a FG in OT and all of a sudden he is the second coming of Christ ::)

How easily we forget the Bears game this year along with the KC game, or SD and Indy last year, or even the fact that there are at least 5 better K's in the league now.

He's not overpaid though ::)

C'mon man, the guy is perfect on XP's and has missed 4 FG's all year. He's 5th in the NFL in scoring, and that's missing some time with the groin. Why you harp on the 4 misses instead of the 25 hits is beyond me. Unless you expect our PK to not miss any FG's, you're going to be disappointed every year.

Wasn't it an Elam late game FG btw, that put us in position to win or send it to OT in the SD, Indy and Miami games you talked about?

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by winstoncup bronco


C'mon man, the guy is perfect on XP's and has missed 4 FG's all year. He's 5th in the NFL in scoring, and that's missing some time with the groin. Why you harp on the 4 misses instead of the 25 hits is beyond me. Unless you expect our PK to not miss any FG's, you're going to be disappointed every year.

Wasn't it an Elam late game FG btw, that put us in position to win or send it to OT in the SD, Indy and Miami games you talked about?

Highest paid K should be the best K, is he? NO.

[winstoncup bronco]

Originally posted by DenFan38


Highest paid K should be the best K, is he? NO.

Elam will be the highest paid kicker until the next big name comes up for free agency. That's the game nowadays in all sports. You can't just take a players salary to determine how good he is. How much is Portis making? He's not getting big time player bucks, so does that mean he's not a big time player?

But what is your criteria that determines best K? Most FG's? Most points? Elam is up there in all kicking stats. 25-29 FG's, 35-35 XP's, 110 points (which is 4th in K scoring)....

Yeah, he's not #1 in those stats, but so what. There might be a few other guys having better years, but does that necessarily make them tops in the game?

I'm curious as to who you consider among the "at least 5 better guys" you talk about.

[Garcia Bronco]

Not only that which guy off the heap would you have take his place. There isn't anybody.

[watermock]

I'm not mad at Elam this week.

I am not mad at Knorr either.

[Evenrude]

Knorr made a hell of a tackle last week..... looked like he was talking some smack to the return guy as he got up.....

[watermock]

Do you think Elam makes that tackle?

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by winstoncup bronco


Elam will be the highest paid kicker until the next big name comes up for free agency. That's the game nowadays in all sports. You can't just take a players salary to determine how good he is. How much is Portis making? He's not getting big time player bucks, so does that mean he's not a big time player?

But what is your criteria that determines best K? Most FG's? Most points? Elam is up there in all kicking stats. 25-29 FG's, 35-35 XP's, 110 points (which is 4th in K scoring)....

Yeah, he's not #1 in those stats, but so what. There might be a few other guys having better years, but does that necessarily make them tops in the game?

I'm curious as to who you consider among the "at least 5 better guys" you talk about.

I'm saure the Mile High air hasn't helped him at all in his career.

It's like what people say about our RB's, how we shouldn't pay top dollar when we can just plug in another one and they can be successful. It's the Mile high air, it nearly made this Conway character from Cleveland look like a hero out there on Sunday.

Congrats to Elam though, he's made two game-winning FG's this year, glad to see 1.45 million go to such a deserving player, while(as you mentioned), Portis isn't being paid nearly the amount for his production.

Vinatieri, Akers, Mare, Vanderjagt, Hanson, are 5 to name that are better than Elam. Vinatieri, to me, is the best in the game currently. He's the most clutch in the game, especially in the 2001 playoffs when he made the game-tying and winning FG in a snowy downpour against the Raiders, and also kicked a game-winner to beat the Rams to win the Super Bowl. BTW, all he's done is restructure his deal so the Patriots have some extra cap space to sign guys like Colvin and Harrison.

And while you can't take salary to judge how good a player is, you certainly can take salary to judge how good a player SHOULD be and what you expect from him. 26-36 last year with a few big misses, and we award him as the highest paid K in the league, doesn't seem right to me.

[watermock]

But your not factoring in the two touchbacks last week on kickoffs.

You have to look at the whole picture.

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by watermock
But your not factoring in the two touchbacks last week on kickoffs.

You have to look at the whole picture.

And I've seen a crapton of touchbacks by opposing teams also, not like it's brutally hard to kick the ball in the endzone when you're 1 mile up in the air.

[winstoncup bronco]

Originally posted by DenFan38


Congrats to Elam though, he's made two game-winning FG's this year, glad to see 1.45 million go to such a deserving player


Two game winning FG's out of how many attempts? 25?

Seems to me since we are 9-5 and struggling to hang on to the #6 and final playoff spot, if not for those two game winning FG's you stick your nose at, we'd be 7-7 and out of the playoff race.

Originally posted by DenFan38

Vinatieri, Akers, Mare, Vanderjagt, Hanson, are 5 to name that are better than Elam.

Hmmm......except for Vanderjagt, who kicks in a dome, Elam has more points and FG's made than any of those other four kickers.

Mare? He's 25th in scoring with 80 points, 30 points behind Elam. Hell, even Clinton Portis has scored more points than Mare.

Oh, and while Elam is hitting only 86% of his kicks this year, your boy Mare, who kicks in sunny south Florida, is connecting on 74%

Jason Hanson? Another dome kicker who has 78 points scored this year. How many clutch kicks has he been asked to make over his career?

Vinatieri has hit on 75% of his FG attempts this year.

So how is it you came to this conclusion that those guys are better than Elam?
Originally posted by DenFan38


Vinatieri, to me, is the best in the game currently. He's the most clutch in the game, especially in the 2001 playoffs when he made the game-tying and winning FG in a snowy downpour against the Raiders, and also kicked a game-winner to beat the Rams to win the Super Bowl. BTW, all he's done is restructure his deal so the Patriots have some extra cap space to sign guys like Colvin and Harrison.



Great, you're bringing up some kicks he made almost 3 years ago, and while he did come through when it mattered most at that time, what has he done since then to make you put him above Elam? Are you going to tell me Elam hasn't made clutch kicks in the postseason too?

Also, while his restructuring is admirable, last time I checked, acts of kindness don't push the ball through the goalposts.

Originally posted by DenFan38


I'm saure the Mile High air hasn't helped him at all in his career.



Not any more than 80 degree weather helped Mare throughout his career, or playing most of their games in a climate controlled dome has helped Vanderjagt and Hanson.
Originally posted by DenFan38


And while you can't take salary to judge how good a player is, you certainly can take salary to judge how good a player SHOULD be and what you expect from him. 26-36 last year with a few big misses, and we award him as the highest paid K in the league, doesn't seem right to me.

We didn't "award" Elam anything; we paid him the market rate for his services. It's not like he would've signed elsewhere for half the money.

Or would you rather we had signed some street free agent for league minimum and have our kicking game turn into an adventure every week.

[frerottenextelway]

Originally posted by DenFan38
the fact that there are at least 5 better K's in the league now.


Oh no, anything but the 6th best kicker in football. We'd been soooo much better off to sign the 28th best kicker and save $700,000. ::)

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by frerottenextelway


Oh no, anything but the 6th best kicker in football. We'd been soooo much better off to sign the 28th best kicker and save $700,000. ::)

Any idea what " AT LEAST" means?

[frerottenextelway]

Originally posted by DenFan38


Any idea what " AT LEAST" means?

Couldn't count past 5?

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by winstoncup bronco


Two game winning FG's out of how many attempts? 25?

Seems to me since we are 9-5 and struggling to hang on to the #6 and final playoff spot, if not for those two game winning FG's you stick your nose at, we'd be 7-7 and out of the playoff race.



Hmmm......except for Vanderjagt, who kicks in a dome, Elam has more points and FG's made than any of those other four kickers.

Mare? He's 25th in scoring with 80 points, 30 points behind Elam. Hell, even Clinton Portis has scored more points than Mare.

Oh, and while Elam is hitting only 86% of his kicks this year, your boy Mare, who kicks in sunny south Florida, is connecting on 74%

Jason Hanson? Another dome kicker who has 78 points scored this year. How many clutch kicks has he been asked to make over his career?

Vinatieri has hit on 75% of his FG attempts this year.

So how is it you came to this conclusion that those guys are better than Elam?


Great, you're bringing up some kicks he made almost 3 years ago, and while he did come through when it mattered most at that time, what has he done since then to make you put him above Elam? Are you going to tell me Elam hasn't made clutch kicks in the postseason too?

Also, while his restructuring is admirable, last time I checked, acts of kindness don't push the ball through the goalposts.



Not any more than 80 degree weather helped Mare throughout his career, or playing most of their games in a climate controlled dome has helped Vanderjagt and Hanson.


We didn't "award" Elam anything; we paid him the market rate for his services. It's not like he would've signed elsewhere for half the money.

Or would you rather we had signed some street free agent for league minimum and have our kicking game turn into an adventure every week.

Yeah, and if he made his FG's in KC and Chicago, we'd be looking at 11-3 right now, works both ways.

Hilarious, 80 degree weather is the same as kicking in thin air, that's why the Marlins hit around the same amount of homeruns as the Rockies do, right?

Vinatieri is consistenly been there in the clutch for NE, only miss this year in the clutch was a blocked kick against Houston, and he still went on to kick the game-winner in that game.

Does Hanson and Vandy kick in a dome every game? I could've sworn I saw Vandy kick a 51 yarder to tie the game against the Broncos last year, and a 54 yarder to win it for them in OT, but he plays in the dome so he must have delusional stats(same goes for Mare that buried a 50+ yarder to beat us.) Vandy's would've been mute if our K coud've made an extra that game also.

Mile High air had nothing to do with those long FG's.

Besides, our kicking game is already an adventure this year, I hold my breath everytime they come on. And it's not even Elam, it's our snaps and holds and blocking that worried me just as much. But let's check this here: Vandy kicks two huge ones in Denver, Mare beats us on a bomb here in Denver, Conway who was picked-up last week and hasn't kicked a FG all year from Cleveland nearly won them the game on a long FG(48 yards I believe), and Paul Edinger from Chicago puts on a clinic here in Denver. Seems to me like there's an odd coincidence of kickers being able to do rather well in Denver.

In all seriousness, Elam has proved a lot more to me than he had last year. I don't waffle around like some and will stick to my statements that Elam isn't good enough for his contract(and I people agreeing with me also if you'd like to see the post from a bit ago), but he has shown that he is more reliable, now I just have to worry about our other factors in the kicking game.

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by frerottenextelway


Couldn't count past 5?

I'll take that as a no.

Find some credibility, then try talking to me.

[watermock]

Don't bother.

Elam apologists don't really know that he doesn't kick off yet,

or that he is supposed to make kicks from the 10 and 21 yard line.

BTW, BOTH were on SECOND DOWN.

I am happy he made them. He is getting into form.

I don't see the big deal. He is doing his job.

So what?

[winstoncup bronco]

Originally posted by DenFan38


Yeah, and if he made his FG's in KC and Chicago, we'd be looking at 11-3 right now, works both ways.

Hilarious, 80 degree weather is the same as kicking in thin air, that's why the Marlins hit around the same amount of homeruns as the Rockies do, right?




- Elam hit 3 out 4 FG's in the KC game. The one miss was from 53 yards, which you conveniently omitted. Do you really expect Elam to hit every singe FGA? Sounds like you do as you always pick on his misses. I don't blame that loss on Elam at all. Again, he's hitting 86% of his kicks this year. Not too shabby.

Don't know how an Elam miss was a factor in a game we lost 19-10, or is there some 9 point FG rule I'm not aware of.

- Noooo, 80 degree weather isn't the same as kicking in thin air. I never said it was. What I WAS saying is that Mare is kicking mostly in great weather, and not in swirling winds and below zero wind chills.

[errand]

Originally posted by broncogary


I'm more concerned with the whereabouts of Knorr.

Knorr catches alot of grief on here (and sometimes it is deserved, like the botched FG attempt) but he ranks like 6th in the NFL in gross average......his net average suffers a little because of poor special teams tackling.

[errand]

The thin air in Denver may aid Jason's LENGTH of FG's...it does not help him get the ball thru the uprights.

And the fact that Jason isn't leading the league in scoring (by kickers) doesn't mean anything other than we're alot more successful in scoring TD's than settling for FG's this season (as compared to last few)

[errand]

Correct me if I'm wrong...but when Mare nailed the 50+ Fg to beat us.....didn't Elam nail a 50+ to tie the game?

Yeah, Mock...Elam doesn't kick off anymore like he used to. Then again, then again, Rod Smith doesn't return punts like he used to early in his career either.

Evidently mike thinks he deserves a roster spot.....unless your advocating releasing Elam's 86% FG conversion rate.

[errand]

Winstoncup....

you can't argue with these types like DenFan and Mock....remember, they defended the HIGHEST paid player in Broncos history that stunk so bad he got canned and is going to get canned by his 2nd team in as many years.

[broncogary]

Originally posted by errand


Knorr catches alot of grief on here (and sometimes it is deserved, like the botched FG attempt) but he ranks like 6th in the NFL in gross average......his net average suffers a little because of poor special teams tackling.

I was being sarcastic because I knew it was Knorr and not Elam that kicked the two kickoffs out of the endzone.

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by errand
Winstoncup....

you can't argue with these types like DenFan and Mock....remember, they defended the HIGHEST paid player in Broncos history that stunk so bad he got canned and is going to get canned by his 2nd team in as many years.

Our bad for wanting to see a player on the Broncos succeed and win us some games.

And what exactly is our "type"? Care to expand on your little assumption? Wow, I wanted to see the Broncos QB do well so we can win games, I must be a horrible broncos fan for wanting that to ever happen.

The reason you can't argue with me, is because I'm right, as for Mock, keep your problems between him and don't involve me into any comparison of Mock.

As for the person who has some intelligence, that would be winstoncup, Elam to me is an average kicker outside of Denver, and that's why I bring up the mile high air. That 53 yarder that he missed in KC he might've made in Denver, along with that 57 yarder in Baltimore last year that was so short Chris McCallister took back for a TD.


That's why I also bring up what other K's have done in Denver, because everyone does good in Denver. We can get a mediocre to above average K and he'll look good in Denver for less than 1.45 million, and hopefully he won't be injured as often.

[frerottenextelway]

Originally posted by DenFan38


Our bad for wanting to see a player on the Broncos succeed and win us some games.

And what exactly is our "type"? Care to expand on your little assumption? Wow, I wanted to see the Broncos QB do well so we can win games, I must be a horrible broncos fan for wanting that to ever happen.

The reason you can't argue with me, is because I'm right, as for Mock, keep your problems between him and don't involve me into any comparison of Mock.

As for the person who has some intelligence, that would be winstoncup, Elam to me is an average kicker outside of Denver, and that's why I bring up the mile high air. That 53 yarder that he missed in KC he might've made in Denver, along with that 57 yarder in Baltimore last year that was so short Chris McCallister took back for a TD.


That's why I also bring up what other K's have done in Denver, because everyone does good in Denver. We can get a mediocre to above average K and he'll look good in Denver for less than 1.45 million, and hopefully he won't be injured as often.

Hey Genius, please do list all those FA kickers who are better than Jason Elam.

Bottom line, we either signed him for his whopping 1.45 mil, or we would've downgraded, end of story.

[BroncoFox]

Why do people act like *distance* is the issue? How often do you see the ball FALL SHORT?! Yea.. almost NEVER!

Made kicks.. even 50 yarders, you will often hear "That woulda made it from 60 yards!" from the announcers. Why? Because they are always long enough.

Missed kicks typically easily go the distance, they are just off, left or right. IMO, such thin air would make it so much easier to muff a FG left or right.

Elam doesn't have it 'easier' in Denver. People expect perfection. People are spoiled imo.

Get another kicker.. ANY kicker, other than say, the top 2 or 3 in the league in Denver.. we'll see how fast people will start complaining about the horrible new kicker we have. We are so used to his excellence, that when he does even just above average, he is lambasted.

So.. he is the best paid kicker in football? So what?!? Like kickers make a lot of money to begin with! Who cares.. we are lucky to have Elam. I would be more nervous with 9 outta 10 kickers on other teams, than I am with Elam.

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by frerottenextelway


Hey Genius, please do list all those FA kickers who are better than Jason Elam.

Bottom line, we either signed him for his whopping 1.45 mil, or we would've downgraded, end of story.

I told you to get some credibility, then come talk to me.

[Rock Chalk]

translation: I cant name any FA kickers Id take over Elam and I feel like an ass but I will tell you to get lost until you find some credibility.

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by BroncoFox
Why do people act like *distance* is the issue? How often do you see the ball FALL SHORT?! Yea.. almost NEVER!

Made kicks.. even 50 yarders, you will often hear "That woulda made it from 60 yards!" from the announcers. Why? Because they are always long enough.

Missed kicks typically easily go the distance, they are just off, left or right. IMO, such thin air would make it so much easier to muff a FG left or right.

Elam doesn't have it 'easier' in Denver. People expect perfection. People are spoiled imo.

Get another kicker.. ANY kicker, other than say, the top 2 or 3 in the league in Denver.. we'll see how fast people will start complaining about the horrible new kicker we have. We are so used to his excellence, that when he does even just above average, he is lambasted.

So.. he is the best paid kicker in football? So what?!? Like kickers make a lot of money to begin with! Who cares.. we are lucky to have Elam. I would be more nervous with 9 outta 10 kickers on other teams, than I am with Elam.

We are used to his excellence, his excellence from a few years ago that he is cashing in on now.

They're ALWAYS long enough because he plays in Denver, why can't people see this? 57 yards falls short by 5 yards in Baltimore, a 57 yarder is good by 5 yards in Denver.

And he shouldn't have it 'easier' here, not with that contract.

Get another kicker, the smartest thing you said in that reply :)

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by AlecRaenos
translation: I cant name any FA kickers Id take over Elam and I feel like an ass but I will tell you to get lost until you find some credibility.

FA kickers that I'd take over Elam?

Any

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by AlecRaenos
translation: I cant name any FA kickers Id take over Elam and I feel like an ass but I will tell you to get lost until you find some credibility.

**** off BTW

[Rock Chalk]

Any huh?

You'd take Cortez over Elam?

Looks like you are the one with credibility issues there corn boy.

[FADERPROOF]

Draft Nate Kaeding, better?

[Hogan11]

The guy hasn't been the same since his injury....sure he can still make some kicks but he can't kick off anymore and what once was automatic is now sometimes an adventure.

The fact is...his talent is on the wane...slowly...but on the wane nonetheless.

His contract is insane.

All that and the fact that I just don't plain like the guy makes me side with DenFan on this one.

[Rock Chalk]

No.

Kaeding has never played in the NFL in a big time game. Elam has.

He is our kicker and he is one of the best ever and if you cant see that you are blind.

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by AlecRaenos
No.

Kaeding has never played in the NFL in a big time game. Elam has.

He is our kicker and he is one of the best ever and if you cant see that you are blind.

WAS one of the best ever.

Kaeding is a big prospect, younger and will be cheaper, sorry he doesn't fit your criteria, then again, who gives a **** if he does?

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by RHogan
The guy hasn't been the same since his injury....sure he can still make some kicks but he can't kick off anymore and what once was automatic is now sometimes an adventure.

The fact is...his talent is on the wane...slowly...but on the wane nonetheless.

His contract is insane.

All that and the fact that I just don't plain like the guy makes me side with DenFan on this one.

Finally, another guy with some intelligence around here, that can watch Bronco games without the thick orange and blue glasses on.

[Rock Chalk]

DenFan, you are quite possibly the most arrogant piece of garbage on here and if you weren't a mod I would take off the gloves and tell you how I really feel.q

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by AlecRaenos
DenFan, you are quite possibly the most arrogant piece of garbage on here and if you weren't a mod I would take off the gloves and tell you how I really feel.q

Fire away, I maybe a mod but that shouldn't stop you from saying what you feel.

I'm all for criticism, but I'm not garbage, just arrogant and right.

[Rock Chalk]

thwack

you are no more right about this than you are about God loving those gay ass OSU colors.

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by AlecRaenos
thwack

you are no more right about this than you are about God loving those gay ass OSU colors.

I waited for that?

I must say that I'm a bit dissapointed, I was waiting to get ripped into pretty hard, something I can take and most likely deserve on here from time to time.

But hell, It's about time that I find some nice beverages to drink on and have a fun rest of the night, I'll fire down a jaegerbomb in the name of Alec tonight.

[FADERPROOF]

Besides, God must love OSU, no other way to explain all those close wins over the past 2 years.

[Rock Chalk]

Bribing the refs is one way to explain it.

Downright cheating is another.

But hey, whatever floats your boat.

And Im not going to take off the gloves DenFan because if I do I WILL get banned.

I'll just keep the charade going a bit longer thank you.

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by AlecRaenos
Bribing the refs is one way to explain it.

Downright cheating is another.

But hey, whatever floats your boat.

And Im not going to take off the gloves DenFan because if I do I WILL get banned.

I'll just keep the charade going a bit longer thank you.

oh come on, if Hinz isn't banned, what could you possibly say that would make TJ ban you?

...or is it really that bad?

Either way, have fun, and drink one for me if you do tonight, I'll fire one down for you as previously said.

BTW, anything you want to say about OSU, just remember them holding up that trophy last year ;)

[Rock Chalk]

Just wait till I get a favorite College team!

Oh wait, nevermind, I dont watch amateurs.

I'll smoke one for ya tonight, but I dont drink unless Bronco ball is on.

[watermock]

[i]Originally posted by errand


Yeah, Mock...Elam doesn't kick off anymore like he used to. Then again, then again, Rod Smith doesn't return punts like he used to early in his career either.

I dunno, I of sworn I saw Rod Smith return a punt for a Touchdown this year.

[watermock]

Originally posted by errand
Winstoncup....

you can't argue with these types like DenFan and Mock....remember, they defended the HIGHEST paid player in Broncos history that stunk so bad he got canned and is going to get canned by his 2nd team in as many years.

First off, Errand has to bring in Griese, it's a ****ing obsession.

Second, well, that's all Errand said. That was the entire post. Ha!

OH, BTW, SOB had a one year contract, he can hardly get canned, and I don't think we saw Fiedler have a career day last Sunday either. If possible, Miami's line is worse than Denver's of last year.

GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rate Sac Yds Att Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec
12/07 @New England L 0-12 Yes 31 13 41.9 111 0 2 25.1 5 45 0 0 0 0 0 2 0
12/15 Philadelphia L 27-34 Yes 40 21 52.5 240 0 2 50.0 2 19 4 16 4.0 7 1 0 0

Yeah, Feidler has really lit it up in his last two starts. 7 sacks and 4 interceptions, two fumbles lost.

[watermock]

Originally posted by errand
The thin air in Denver may aid Jason's LENGTH of FG's...it does not help him get the ball thru the uprights.

And the fact that Jason isn't leading the league in scoring (by kickers) doesn't mean anything other than we're alot more successful in scoring TD's than settling for FG's this season (as compared to last few)

Now Errand seems to think that our Red Zone offense is great. Fact of the matter is that we have had several long runs from Portis outside of the red zone.

Noone is saying Elam is having a bad year, strained groin and all.

[watermock]

Finally Errand, I have tried to beat this thru you skull several times, but you just don't get it.

You have always wanted to put the signing bonus into SOB's first year in that contract, when you know damn well it was pro-rated.

So every time you talk about it, we can say that Elam is the highest paid kicker in the NFL that doesn't even kickoff.

I never said it was a bad idea to release Griese, I just had regrets we didn't draft another QB behind him instead of going with the golf caddy.

Second, I didn't make that contract SOB signed, Shanahan did. So don't blame me. I didn't do it. 99 percent of people thought that Shanahan knows what he is doing. Obviously, sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't. He's a high risk high reward type guy.

At lest for ONCE, we got a high priced free agent that seems an answer. A similar player in IHOP looks like he will be back on the street.

[BroncoFox]

All I know is...

He can be incredibly clutch on important kicks. He can't be 'iced'.. he doesn't choke.

Even having a bad year, he looks better than most.

I can't think of any AVAILABLE kicker I would rather have.

The contract? Whatever.. if they can fit him in, PAY HIM.. it isn't coming out of my pocket. ;D

We could do worse.. much worse.

[watermock]

He was "iced" enough he sold his house and was renting.

He was "iced" enough to say he doubted he would play in Denver again.

He was "iced" enough to miss a critical extra point in the Indy game, which allowed Vinateri to tie the game.

He was "iced" enough to again, miss big kicks in 2002 (Miami).

He was "iced" enough to be replaced by a double duty kickoff specialist/Punter.

He was "iced" enough that Shanahan refused to let him kick a field goal from the 10 yard line after Portis allready had a career high 37 carries.

He had a good game, thank god, but to say he is the special teams offensive player of the week for kicking 38 and 27 yarders is ludicrous.

If Elam doesn't miss an extra point, Denver would of won the INdy game last year. An extra point.

Also, he isn't as clutch as you assume.

Look, he had missed TWO KICKS INSIDE THE 10 YARD LINE.

One was the extra point against Indy last year. Indy would of been down 4, not 3. It's a stone cold fact.

So take that one away. Elam had missed the other one whenever.

So what does that leave you? I say that Elam had missed two kicks inside the 10 in his whole career, one of which I remember, and cost a game.

Still, are we so scared about that we don't kick the ball at the freaking 10 yard line in overtime?

It's so amusing to me.

And to bring up the fact Portis wanted to run it down their throats is fine, that is just Portis wanting the rock, nothing new with that.

Do you think he was going to kick and scream if we took him off the field to simply put something as simple as an extra point thru and go home?

The argument is weak on many levels Fox, but that's OK, I won't go into how Women are total homers and our boys can do no wrong.

After all, if Elam makes that extra point last year, we probably wouldn't of gotten Lelie. Ha!

[winstoncup bronco]

Originally posted by watermock
If Elam doesn't miss an extra point, Denver would of won the INdy game last year. An extra point.

Also, he isn't as clutch as you assume.

Look, he had missed TWO KICKS INSIDE THE 10 YARD LINE.

One was the extra point against Indy last year. Indy would of been down 4, not 3. It's a stone cold fact.

So take that one away. Elam had missed the other one whenever.

So what does that leave you? I say that Elam had missed two kicks inside the 10 in his whole career, one of which I remember, and cost a game.

Still, are we so scared about that we don't kick the ball at the freaking 10 yard line in overtime?

It's so amusing to me.

And to bring up the fact Portis wanted to run it down their throats is fine, that is just Portis wanting the rock, nothing new with that.

Do you think he was going to kick and scream if we took him off the field to simply put something as simple as an extra point thru and go home?

The argument is weak on many levels Fox, but that's OK, I won't go into how Women are total homers and our boys can do no wrong.

After all, if Elam makes that extra point last year, we probably wouldn't of gotten Lelie. Ha!

mock, the banality of argument just further proves how weak it really is.

Last year while you were in the midst of defending our other QB, you blamed the loss to Indy on Beuerlein. Remember? Remember how you cried endlessly what our record was with Beuerlein as starter? Now that your in the middle again of what you enjoy doing most, chronically bashing everything about the Broncos, you conveniently blame a ****ing missed XP as the reason why we missed the playoffs last year, since we are now discussing Elam.

Only you with such weakass takes would actually pin our hopes on XP's. Never mind fumbles or int's, or DB's getting torched; nope, it's Elam missing one XP that did us in.

I figure you'll be pulling out the ol' "if Mobley catches that interception, we make the playoffs" routine any day now.

Yawn.

I know being the perfectionist you claim to be, Elam MUST make every FG, and MUST make every single, goddam XP to be considered anything but lousy. Yeah, the guy misses his second XP in 10 years and he costs us the playoffs and is nearing the end of his career.

I know you don't like facts to get in the way of your blabbering, but Elam's 86% success rate so far this year is A CAREER BEST. So tell me again how he's in the twilight of his career.

Of course, what good is clutch kicking and accuracy when he can't put the ball in the endzone on kickoffs, right?

[Spider]

3 Pages of Elam ........ Since my Idea would never work ( Get rid of all Kickers ) We might as well have the Best Damn siss errr Kicker available , is that Elam ? I think so at least for now .........

[winstoncup bronco]

Originally posted by DenFan38

That 53 yarder that he missed in KC he might've made in Denver, along with that 57 yarder in Baltimore last year that was so short Chris McCallister took back for a TD.




Well, I think this just goes to show how good Elam really is when you torpedo him for being short on a 57 yard FG, home or away.

[Rock Chalk]

Amen winston.

As if Kickers just go out and nail 57 yd field goals on a whim.

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by winstoncup bronco


Well, I think this just goes to show how good Elam really is when you torpedo him for being short on a 57 yard FG, home or away.

It's past tense, how good Elam WAS.

I didn't torpedo him, just proving what the air in Denver can do for distance.

[watermock]

Originally posted by winstoncup bronco


mock, the banality of argument just further proves how weak it really is.

Last year while you were in the midst of defending our other QB, you blamed the loss to Indy on Beuerlein. Remember? Remember how you cried endlessly what our record was with Beuerlein as starter? Now that your in the middle again of what you enjoy doing most, chronically bashing everything about the Broncos, you conveniently blame a ****ing missed XP as the reason why we missed the playoffs last year, since we are now discussing Elam.

There were others to blame as well as Elam. Fact is, if he makes the extra point, we are up 4 points, and Indy would of had to throw up a hail mary. Live with it, it was a huge miss whether you want to admit it or not.

As far as B-Line goes, Denver was 7-3 after Seattle, when Greise was injured late. Don't take the argument totally out of context and splice it in for another one of your insultive, ignorant posts.

Only you with such weakass takes would actually pin our hopes on XP's. Never mind fumbles or int's, or DB's getting torched; nope, it's Elam missing one XP that did us in.

Basically, yes, if Elam makes the XP, we are up by 4 points. Live with it.

I figure you'll be pulling out the ol' "if Mobley catches that interception, we make the playoffs" routine any day now.

That was the Miami game wasn't it? Yeah, that was another huge play, but didn't Elam struggle in that one as well?

Yawn.

I know being the perfectionist you claim to be, Elam MUST make every FG, and MUST make every single, goddam XP to be considered anything but lousy. Yeah, the guy misses his second XP in 10 years and he costs us the playoffs and is nearing the end of his career.

I never said he was near the end of his career, now your making things up. The fact is, his distance isn't what it was, nor his accuracy, FOR HIS SALARY. Isn't that what this thread was about?

I know you don't like facts to get in the way of your blabbering, but Elam's 86% success rate so far this year is A CAREER BEST. So tell me again how he's in the twilight of his career.

So why didn't we kick the field goal at the 10 yard line and save what could of ended our playoff hopes if Portis wasn't so limber? When did I say Elam was having a bad year?

Of course, what good is clutch kicking and accuracy when he can't put the ball in the endzone on kickoffs, right?

Whatever, kickoffs are USUALLY considered part of the placekickers job. So we had to go out and get a multi-purpose punter/kicker, or waste a roster spot.

Finally, about the 57 yarder against Baltimore. That was a play with the clock run out at the end of the half. Why not try it? Yes, the defense fell asleep on the play, but Elam couldn't even get the ball to the end zone.

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by watermock


Now Errand seems to think that our Red Zone offense is great. Fact of the matter is that we have had several long runs from Portis outside of the red zone.

Noone is saying Elam is having a bad year, strained groin and all.

Time for Errands Patrick Hape argument to start up.

[watermock]

One more thing NextelCup:

Oh, yeah, I gess those games where if Strained Vagina COULDN'T of kicked doesn't hurt his field goal percentage does it. Ha!

Remember when we kept going for it in close (can't remember the game) Help me here Denfan. So tell me when he was injured that didn't effect the gameplan and take points off? Remember when we punted at the freaking 33 and 37 yard lines and LOST?

So tell us all about that, or how he hurt his hamstring when he was showing off trying to kick 70 yarders in warmups, trying to impress to bloat his impending contract.

How about his overall attitude last year about his contract situation, selling his house, ect...

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by watermock
One more thing NextelCup:

Oh, yeah, I gess those games where if Strained Vagina COULDN'T of kicked doesn't hurt his field goal percentage does it. Ha!

Remember when we kept going for it in close (can't remember the game) Help me here Denfan. So tell me when he was injured that didn't effect the gameplan and take points off? Remember when we punted at the freaking 33 and 37 yard lines and LOST?

So tell us all about that, or how he hurt his hamstring when he was showing off trying to kick 70 yarders in warmups, trying to impress to bloat his impending contract.

How about his overall attitude last year about his contract situation, selling his house, ect...

That was the New England game, a game we lost by 4 points and we punted from the 30 yard line twice, and the game was in Denver so Elam had a shot at making those.

[frerottenextelway]

Originally posted by DenFan38


That was the New England game, a game we lost by 4 points and we punted from the 30 yard line twice, and the game was in Denver so Elam had a shot at making those.

Actually, they would've been 50 and 52 yarders respectively.

Anyways, your childish insults are a cute way to try and save some face, but how about you actually address the argument. WHO would you have signed for less money w/out downgrading? Saying there's ''atleast 5 kickers better'' is a worthless argument, as we couldn't exactly sign Mike Vanderjagt for minimum wage.

[Arkie]

Elam is the best kicker in the league today. He had a bad year last year, but he will kick until he's 40 or older. Some years, he will be the best, and some years he'll just be in the top 5 like this year.

Look at the pro football reference page. Morten Andersen had some bad years kicking in the Super Dome when he was Elam's age. New Orleans decided to let him go in a similar situation to Elam's last year. I'm just comparing their situations. Elam has already proved he is better than Mort ever was in almost every stat.

The most telling stat is career FG %. The 63 yarder was pretty cool, too (the FG would have been good in any statium in the world). No opposing kicker can do that in our mile high air. I still think it's easier to kick in a dome. The high altitude doesn't help that much. I heard it helped a few inches in baseball which translates into a lot more homeruns, but how many of Elam's FGs actually barely clear the crossbar by a few inches.

[Rock Chalk]

:yawn:

Aww let em bash Elam. We have th satisfaction of knowing he will be with us for a while longer and he is one of the best kickers to ever play the game.

[Arkie]

The mile high air doesn't screw up Plummer's game when he goes down to sea level. John Elway did fine at sea level, too. If opposing QBs have a bad game, it's not because the thin air screws up their passes. It doesn't affect the football as much as you would think.

[Hogan11]

Elam hasn't been the same since hurting himself in warmups that year trying to nail a 70 yrder....that is a fact.

His skills are declining....that is also fact...he's not the same kicker he was five years ago or three years ago for that matter....it's due to a mixture of age and injury.

To win in football, a team must have a "what have you done for me lately" attitude....to suggest the Broncos "reward" a player whose skills are in decline with a fat contract based upon glories three years removed is insane and it's a one way ticket to the mediocrity of the franchise itself if that policy is practiced.

He should've been shown the door at the end of last season....even he knew it, why else would he put his house on the market?

Sure I can see him playing out the string of his career with his range shrinking each passing year like Morton Anderson...I'd rather see him bounce around the league like Anderson than to see him decline in Denver to the point where his long is a 40 yarder.

[Garcia Bronco]

I changed the name of this thread to overpaid bicker, because it fits. Continue

[Hogan11]

Originally posted by Garcia Bronco
I changed the name of this thread to overpaid bicker, because it fits. Continue

Well.....you are the one who brought the issue up....

who knew Elam was so beloved ???

[Garcia Bronco]

The thread title was meant as sarcasm, and just to let people know that he came through.

[Arkie]

This thread doesn't make sense because Elam is is 25 of 29. He just won special teamer of the week. I have more confidence in Elam than any other kicker on all kicks under 60 yards.

edit: and this is considered a bad year. Next year may be bad or it may be good, but either way it will still be a top 5 performance.

[Hogan11]

Originally posted by Garcia Bronco
The thread title was meant as sarcasm, and just to let people know that he came through.

Yeah, so?

who knew Elam was so beloved ???

[Arkie]

Originally posted by Garcia Bronco
The thread title was meant as sarcasm, and just to let people know that he came through.


OK, I finally get it.

Some posters have me riled up, though.

[Blueflame]

I like Jason... yeah, he annoyed me with his attitude and subsequent struggles last season, but no one can deny the contribution he has made to the team in the past. He's performing well this year, and that goes a long way toward placating me... but I do question whether or not he is worth $2 mil. His new contract will raise the bar for kickers in general, as it would be a safe bet that guys like Vinatieri, Mare, and Vanderjagt will use his deal as leverage in their next contract negotiations. He probably won't be the highest-paid kicker in the league for long.

[Arkie]

Originally posted by Blueflame
I like Jason... yeah, he annoyed me with his attitude and subsequent struggles last season, but no one can deny the contribution he has made to the team in the past. He's performing well this year, and that goes a long way toward placating me... but I do question whether or not he is worth $2 mil. His new contract will raise the bar for kickers in general, as it would be a safe bet that guys like Vinatieri, Mare, and Vanderjagt will use his deal as leverage in their next contract negotiations. He probably won't be the highest-paid kicker in the league for long.

Yeah, it won't be long. These contracts keep getting crazier. Remember when Elway was the $5 million man? Now kickers aren't far from that.

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by RHogan
Elam hasn't been the same since hurting himself in warmups that year trying to nail a 70 yrder....that is a fact.

His skills are declining....that is also fact...he's not the same kicker he was five years ago or three years ago for that matter....it's due to a mixture of age and injury.

To win in football, a team must have a "what have you done for me lately" attitude....to suggest the Broncos "reward" a player whose skills are in decline with a fat contract based upon glories three years removed is insane and it's a one way ticket to the mediocrity of the franchise itself if that policy is practiced.

He should've been shown the door at the end of last season....even he knew it, why else would he put his house on the market?

Sure I can see him playing out the string of his career with his range shrinking each passing year like Morton Anderson...I'd rather see him bounce around the league like Anderson than to see him decline in Denver to the point where his long is a 40 yarder.

You are correct RHogan, glad to see it.

Frerottenextelway needs to take some notes of this and maybe he'll get it.

Time to get Nate Kaeding in here.

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by Garcia Bronco
The thread title was meant as sarcasm, and just to let people know that he came through.

Glad to see the highest paid K in the game needs a thread made for him whenever he actually comes through for us ::)

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally posted by DenFan38


Glad to see the highest paid K in the game needs a thread made for him whenever he actually comes through for us ::)


Get off your fuggin soap box. He's the kicker. A damn good one. He gets paid. And last week he got the win and the honors. Deal with it.

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by Garcia Bronco



Get off your fuggin soap box. He's the kicker. A damn good one. He gets paid. And last week he got the win and the honors. Deal with it.

He got the win now?

Glad to see that the losses in games that he missed a crucial FG cannot be his fault, but his clutch kicks that he makes are him.

Broncos did get the win though, and that's something I can certainly deal with.

[frerottenextelway]

Originally posted by DenFan38


You are correct RHogan, glad to see it.

Frerottenextelway needs to take some notes of this and maybe he'll get it.

Time to get Nate Kaeding in here.

It takes a real man to sit and criticize without being able to offer a better solution.

Get over yourself already, your lame cheapshots in an attempt to sidestep a simple question says a lot about what kind of person you are.

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by frerottenextelway


It takes a real man to sit and criticize without being able to offer a better solution.

Get over yourself already, your lame cheapshots in an attempt to sidestep a simple question says a lot about what kind of person you are.

apparently, DRAFT NATE KAEDING hasn't registered yet.

Seriously, read what RHogan said and that has what I've been trying to get at as well, just blind homerism hasn't allowed that to set in.

[Rock Chalk]

Whatever DenFan.

Its clear some disagree with you.

That does not make them wrong, nor you right.

When you FINALLY realize that you only have an OPINION and that it is about as worthy as anyone elses then you may get it.

Until then, shut your piehole cause we are tired of hearing your whining.

[frerottenextelway]

Originally posted by DenFan38


apparently, DRAFT NATE KAEDING hasn't registered yet.

Seriously, read what RHogan said and that has what I've been trying to get at as well, just blind homerism hasn't allowed that to set in.

I didn't realize Nate Kaeding came out last year.

I haven't made the argument Elam was the best kicker in football, I made the argument that he was the best available kicker in football. You still haven't addressed it, other than your weak comeback attempts.

[watermock]

I'll take Keading.

Roster turnover has never failed to amaze me.

Get your jersey's out, it's about time for that hope to break thru.

I didn't start this thread, and Garcia decided to simply change it's name, which, I felt was kinda half assed, which means that the responses are all out of context.

Whatever.

[errand]

I remember alot of people on here busting Tom Rouen's chops about sucking as a punter after struggling in his first year of a huge contract. so we drafted Nick Harris and it turns out we wasted a 4th rounder on a guy who couldn't even beat out what was arguably a very mediocre guy.

Now we got a faction in here that wants to replace a guy who has nailed alot more clutch FG's than he's missed for another journey into the great unknown. Keading might be all that...but unless you can guarantee it, I'll settle for 86% accuracy ina proven commodity.

[winstoncup bronco]

Originally posted by DenFan38


that 57 yarder in Baltimore last year that was so short Chris McCallister took back for a TD.




Originally posted by watermock


Finally, about the 57 yarder against Baltimore. That was a play with the clock run out at the end of the half. Why not try it? Yes, the defense fell asleep on the play, but Elam couldn't even get the ball to the end zone.

As much as mock enjoys making false arguments, of which not nearly enough get called on, making it look like he actually knows what he's talking about, I knew that miss at Balt wasn't a total shank since I remember Ray Lewis laying out Keith Burns at the 2 yard line, so the kick had to at least go beyond that, thereby discrediting mock's assertion "Elam couldn't even get the ball to the endzone."

Well, I looked it up, and the official play was: (:01) J.Elam 57 yard field goal is No Good Center-M.Lepsis Holder-T.Rouen. C.McAlister at BLT -7 for 107 yards TOUCHDOWN. (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay/NFL_20020930_DEN@BAL)

See that mock? A 107 yard return, which means the ball landed just 3 yards from the uprights, which means the ball was 7 yards deep in the endzone, quite a difference from your claim "Elam couldn't even get the ball to the endzone."

So Elam couldn't get it through from 57, but kicking it 54 yards is a far cry from the weak-legged attempt you and DF38 make it out to be.

But this is your M.O., just spewing out whatever and hoping no one bothers to check your stories.

[FADERPROOF]

Elam is God!

Happy now Winston, Errand, Alec, and Frerotte?

[Rock Chalk]

No.

I dont want your agreement DenFan. I could care less what you think. You r opinion is unimportant on this matter.

Elam is our kicker.

You dont like it? Ha! Just means you have to suffer has he makesFG after FG and does the job required ofhim.

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by winstoncup bronco




As much as mock enjoys making false arguments, of which not nearly enough get called on, making it look like he actually knows what he's talking about, I knew that miss at Balt wasn't a total shank since I remember Ray Lewis laying out Keith Burns at the 2 yard line, so the kick had to at least go beyond that, thereby discrediting mock's assertion "Elam couldn't even get the ball to the endzone."

Well, I looked it up, and the official play was: (:01) J.Elam 57 yard field goal is No Good Center-M.Lepsis Holder-T.Rouen. C.McAlister at BLT -7 for 107 yards TOUCHDOWN. (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay/NFL_20020930_DEN@BAL)

See that mock? A 107 yard return, which means the ball landed just 3 yards from the uprights, which means the ball was 7 yards deep in the endzone, quite a difference from your claim "Elam couldn't even get the ball to the endzone."

So Elam couldn't get it through from 57, but kicking it 54 yards is a far cry from the weak-legged attempt you and DF38 make it out to be.

But this is your M.O., just spewing out whatever and hoping no one bothers to check your stories.

That's not just 3 yards.

The ball would've landed 7 yards deep in the endzone, meaning Elam needed 3 yards further plus 10 yards higher to get the ball in the endzone.

And doesn't it show his decline? That during the 90's, a 57 yarder wasn't much of a question for him to get in, now he can't even get it there.

Nevermind, the blind homers will never get it.

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by AlecRaenos
No.

I dont want your agreement DenFan. I could care less what you think. You r opinion is unimportant on this matter.

Elam is our kicker.

You dont like it? Ha! Just means you have to suffer has he makesFG after FG and does the job required ofhim.

You should care, by my agreement it means that you'd actually be right about something.

I don't suffer when he makes FG's, I suffer when he blows games by missing them. And if he did the job required, I wouldn't be upset that he's still kicking for our team.

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by AlecRaenos
Whatever DenFan.

Its clear some disagree with you.

That does not make them wrong, nor you right.

When you FINALLY realize that you only have an OPINION and that it is about as worthy as anyone elses then you may get it.

Until then, shut your piehole cause we are tired of hearing your whining.

My bad that wanting to better this Broncos team is considered whining.

[winstoncup bronco]

Originally posted by DenFan38


My bad that wanting to better this Broncos team is considered whining.

I don't have a problem with your dislike of Elam.

But your arguments against him haven't held up to scrutiny.

You mentioned "at least 5" kickers you'd put above him, and with the exception of Vanderjagt, who kicks in a dome, the other 4 you listed were having worse seasons than Elam.

Then you keep talking about how Elam couldn't connect from 57 yards out last year, like kickers hit that routinely.

Then you say you would've let him walk last year, but really offered no alternative as to who we could've signed that would've been an upgrade. Certainly no one I can think of that can hit your requirement of 57 yard field goals without fail.

If anything, we probably kept him of for less than if he started accepting bids for his services around the league.

[watermock]

Maybe this week Elam will make a 57 yarder and hand the Chef's a first round bye. Ha!

Damn Elam.

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by winstoncup bronco


I don't have a problem with your dislike of Elam.

But your arguments against him haven't held up to scrutiny.

You mentioned "at least 5" kickers you'd put above him, and with the exception of Vanderjagt, who kicks in a dome, the other 4 you listed were having worse seasons than Elam.

Then you keep talking about how Elam couldn't connect from 57 yards out last year, like kickers hit that routinely.

Then you say you would've let him walk last year, but really offered no alternative as to who we could've signed that would've been an upgrade. Certainly no one I can think of that can hit your requirement of 57 yard field goals without fail.

If anything, we probably kept him of for less than if he started accepting bids for his services around the league.

Damnit, I really don't think that I'll get through to anyone.

I brought up that 57 yarder not to have it as my level of standard for K's, but to prove how the Denver air helps out these K's. A 57 yarder is short in Baltimore, but a 57 yarder is good by 5 yards in Denver.

I would've let him walk for numerous reasons last year. He had a bad year, already sold his house, told everyone that this is his last year in Denver, rejected a contract that would've kept him in Denver for the rest of his career for 1.25 mill each year and told the Denver organization to not Franchise tag him(although we still did.)

So what do we do? Give him an extra 200,000 dollars to stay in Denver. My problem with him is based on his contract and why we even offered it to him. His perfomance is much improved from last year, but his attitude, injuries, and contract is what pisses me off about him. I'm fine with seeing him boot in kicks, as I'm sure you were fine with seeing Griese throw a TD pass, but for what he makes I don't get how people can say "he's nearly perfect, cut him some slack," as I'm sure you were like that whenever Griese threw an INT.

I still wish that we would've tried to go for Vinatieri last year, but we tagged Elam and the Patriots then tagged Vinatieri. There are better out there, but I do know that Elam is a good K that is in the top 10 of the league. Again, my problems with him are about his contract, and that better K's are making less than him, plus are younger which is another concern to me about Elam.

With his contract and length we're stuck with him,so it does no good to draft Kaeding or offer any other solutions as to whom we'd bring in to take over, I just hope he has a year like this every single year, cause if he declines and gets back to 2002 form, then we're going to look real bad for offering an old declining K the biggest contract of any K in the league.

[Rock Chalk]

Im not lying, I didnt even read past the first line of that long winded post.

You dont need to get through to anyone DenFan. We know your opinion on the matter and we disagree.

Is that OK with you?

[FADERPROOF]

Originally posted by AlecRaenos
Im not lying, I didnt even read past the first line of that long winded post.

You dont need to get through to anyone DenFan. We know your opinion on the matter and we disagree.

Is that OK with you?

When winstoncup says that a 57 yard FG is a requirement for K's to me, then apparently my opinion isn't that known.

So you didn't read past the first line, and you brought that up because you think I care right?

I don't, is that OK with you?

[Rock Chalk]

;D

Whatver floats yer boat Chief.

[FADERPROOF]

It's good to have an opinion, just sucks for you since it's the wrong one.

[FADERPROOF]

Sign John Carney, I'm sure he'll be out of a job shortly :D

[winstoncup bronco]

Originally posted by DenFan38
Sign John Carney, I'm sure he'll be out of a job shortly :D

Ha! That's what I thought of when I saw him miss that kick.

[winstoncup bronco]

Anyone catch Akers miss two FG's today, possibly costing the Eagles HFA? Wasn't he one of the 5 that is supposedly better than Elam?

[Garcia Bronco]

Go Elam

[Rock Chalk]

It's good to have an opinion, just sucks for you since it's the wrong one.
I dont know who bumped this thread, Garcia I think, damn pothead, but I just read this.

you sir, were correct. You weren't when we were arguing, but you are now. Elam is paid way too much to miss as much as he has this year AND not even kickoff.

Now before the Elam defenders come to his rescue, keep in mind I am aware that two were 50+ yarder's, and one was in some sloppy weather. However, I point you to Adam Vinatieri who, in my book, is a more solid kicker than Elam, could kick a 63 yarder in Denver if given the chance, and can kick the ball off.

I would much rather pay HIM, than Elam at this point. Elam just is not as consistent as he was, he actually SHANKS FGs now, when he would just barely miss them before.

In fact, theree are several kickers I think in the league right now worth a helluva lot more than Elam is getting paid here.

[Garcia Bronco]

Hey D-fan.....remember that time back in 03 when you hated Elam?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Damn it Garcia. You got Faderproof all stirred up again. Don't you know how grouchy he will be Sunday after Michigan State hangs 700 yards on "the best defense in the nation" :)

[DBroncos4life]

Vanderjaqt 1.8 mill
Akers 1.025 mill
Carney 765K
Jano 750K
Vinatieri 2.5K
Wilkins 1.225 mill
Longwell 1 mill
Hanson 1.3 mill
Mare 1.05 mill
Kasay 1.2 mill
Elam 765K


Wow, we are breaking the bank on this guy. Thats what each one of those kickers are making this year.

[troya900]

Vanderjaqt 1.8 mill
Akers 1.025 mill
Carney 765K
Jano 750K
Vinatieri 2.5K
Wilkins 1.225 mill
Longwell 1 mill
Hanson 1.3 mill
Mare 1.05 mill
Kasay 1.2 mill
Elam 765K


Wow, we are breaking the bank on this guy. Thats what each one of those kickers are making this year.

Wow Vinateri for 2.5k what a steal from the Patriots. ROFL!

[DomCasual]

Not only that, but Elam hammered two kickoffs for touchbacks!
Bring back Freddy Stienfort, is what I say! :charge:

[Garcia Bronco]

Elam rules

[BroncoInferno]

LOL You are having fun with this, ain't ya?