Ron Turner > Josh McDaniels?

[lex]

Just sayin'...

[theAPAOps5]

You are the biggest douche bag on this board. Whats sad is you are one of the biggest reasons the good posters have left. Sad that you are left to be such a troll.

[lex]

Yeah, so sad. Boo hoo.

[tsiguy96]

You are the biggest douche bag on this board. Whats sad is you are one of the biggest reasons the good posters have left. Sad that you are left to be such a troll.

2nd.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Oh christ, Lex seriously...you are just such a miserable asshole. Maybe you need a labotomy

[SonOfLe-loLang]

And yes, for the last time, i think most of us would rather have kept Jay...many havent said different, BUT GET THE **** OVER IT, IT HAPPENED MONTHS AGO! Youre like randy quaid in Major League 2....my god, youre so ****ing annoying

[bpc]

Ultimately winning and losing in the NFL comes down to talent. Chicago acquired it this offseason, Denver gave it away. Fact.

The owner brought this disaster to our feet. Now we have to embrace it. I hope McDaniels can coach as well as he can talk.

[lex]

And yes, for the last time, i think most of us would rather have kept Jay...many havent said different, BUT GET THE **** OVER IT, IT HAPPENED MONTHS AGO! Youre like randy quaid in Major League 2....my god, youre so ****ing annoying



This is a bold faced lie. There is some massive backtracking going on.

[Popps]

Mods, great job again.

Taco, really... super job keeping guys like this around. People who attack your regular's families, spam the board, do nothing but troll and incite.

Really, just a tremendous job of keeping this board a place people want to come. I wonder why great posters are leaving in droves?

[lex]

Ultimately winning and losing in the NFL comes down to talent. Chicago acquired it this offseason, Denver gave it away. Fact.

The owner brought this disaster to our feet. Now we have to embrace it. I hope McDaniels can coach as well as he can talk.


Thats silly. You dont need talent. You just need "team" guys.

[rmsanger]

Just sayin'...

2nd the motion to liquidate McDaniels

[SonOfLe-loLang]

This is a bold faced lie. There is some massive backtracking going on.

Ok, ME PERSONALLY, always said as much as i ****ing cant stand Jay, i would rather have had that work out than not. But, unlike you, im a ****ing adult and don't spam message boards to get my point across (a point you've been bitterly making for MONTHS now). Youre like a child who hits people. All attention, positive or negative, is good.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Though it still is funny that you are all writing our eulogy when the season hasnt started yet and we are learning 2 new systems.

[Bronx33]

look another stupid thread by the spammer lex..

[521 1N5]

Bro, you have SERIOUS mental problems. Like for real.

[lex]

Though it still is funny that you are all writing our eulogy when the season hasnt started yet and we are learning 2 new systems.

Yeah, **** the new system. Thats a problem of Josh's own making. **** him.

[Bronx33]

ban the spammer blue..

[Taco John]

Mods, great job again.

Taco, really... super job keeping guys like this around. People who attack your regular's families, spam the board, do nothing but troll and incite.

Really, just a tremendous job of keeping this board a place people want to come. I wonder why great posters are leaving in droves?


Huh? Keeping guys like like what? People are welcome to come and go. You're no better for the tone of this board than Lex is. You bring just as negative a tone to this place as any single poster.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Yeah, **** the new system. Thats a problem of Josh's own making. **** him.

How about this....**** YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, i dont care if i get banned, im so ****ing sick of you. For some reason i let you get to me and i don't know why. Youre a miserable piece of ****. You really need to find some kind of happiness in your life

[bpc]

What popps is saying is that if you aren't a blind sunshine pumper, you should take your thoughts elsewhere.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

What popps is saying is that if you aren't a blind sunshine pumper, you should take your thoughts elsewhere.

No, there's a difference between someone with a dissenting opinion and a complete asshole

[lex]

How about this....**** YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, i dont care if i get banned, im so ****ing sick of you. For some reason i let you get to me and i don't know why. Youre a miserable piece of ****. You really need to find some kind of happiness in your life

Hey, I meant to compliment you before on a couple of your posts. I wasnt able to but I had to look twice. I couldnt believe it was you. THey were quality though.

[Bronx33]

ban him blue

[Taco John]

What popps is saying is that if you aren't a blind sunshine pumper, you should take your thoughts elsewhere.



The ignore feature works the same for either type of poster.

I don't understand why anybody would waste any time responding to Lex, or anyone else that they don't care for when all they have to do is think, "oh, here's another Lex post that I can simply ignore," or even better, use the ignore feature and not even have to give it that small amount of thought.

[Taco John]

In fairness, I think that this is less about Lex and more about how things went for us vs. Cutler. This is going to be a long season.

[Bronx33]

In fairness, I think that this is less about Lex and more about how things went for us vs. Cutler. This is going to be a long season.

So lex! you can go right ahead and spam away....

[Popps]

It's cool, Taco.

We just run our businesses differently. If someone was making a mockery of mine and pissing off my regulars, I'd do something about it.

But, if you want to let this guy **** all over your house, have at it.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Hey, I meant to compliment you before on a couple of your posts. I wasnt able to but I had to look twice. I couldnt believe it was you. THey were quality though.

Listen, i apologize for getting heated, im sure if we met in real life, we'd get along fine (i get along with everyone), but christ...seriously, trying being positive ONCE

[Popps]

What popps is saying is that if you aren't a blind sunshine pumper, you should take your thoughts elsewhere.

Yea, you know better, Chris. You know the difference between a constructive poster with differing opinion, and someone simply out to ruin a place for everyone.

Again, I'm sorry this is so bad for you. You used to enjoy the game and we all used to enjoy your posts. Honestly, I just can't understand why you bother with it anymore if it hurts you so badly to see anyone with the slightest bit of optimism when speaking about the Broncos.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

In fairness, I think that this is less about Lex and more about how things went for us vs. Cutler. This is going to be a long season.

The thing that annoys me most is how people are perceiving this. Seriously, one good drive and suddenly everyone is writing our eulogy, including chris collinsworth. People are so ****ing dramatic

[bpc]

No, there's a difference between someone with a dissenting opinion and a complete a-hole

Listen, despite what you think 85% of the football world thinks what we have done is stupid. Fans have the right to be unhappy. This team went from looking up last season, especially on offense to what it is right now. Marginally a better defense with an inability to throw or move the football.

[Popps]

The thing that annoys me most is how people are perceiving this. Seriously, one good drive and suddenly everyone is writing our eulogy, including chris collinsworth. People are so ****ing dramatic

Cutler and Orton were dead-even stats-wise when Orton left the game. Cutler had one drive, and Taco's and Lex are jizzing all over each other.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Listen, despite what you think 85% of the football world thinks what we have done is stupid. Fans have the right to be unhappy. This team went from looking up last season, especially on offense to what it is right now. Marginally a better defense with an inability to throw or move the football.

Id say our d is more than marginally better, but this is besides the point. If you want to have a dissenting opinion, fine. If you want to spam the board with multiple threads about bull****....then GROW UP

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Cutler and Orton were dead-even stats-wise when Orton left the game. Cutler had one drive, and Taco's and Lex are jizzing all over each other.

Not only that, but if you are watching NBC, the BRONCOS ARE DOOOOOOOOMMMEEED. Holy crap, why even play the season. You'd think we were blown out like the raiders were. When the starters left, it was 17-10 (our starters minus orton)

[OABB]

What i want to know is why all the Lex hate now? This guy has sucked balls here for a long time.

[Taco John]

I don't know what happened with Lex today. I was at the park celebrating my son's 3rd birthday up until the game started. What I do know is that we allowed people who criticized Shanahan to hang around. And what happened on the field pretty much did all the "regulating" that needed to be done. Some weeks, those criticims looked moronic. Other weeks, they looked well placed.

Some people are idiots though. I know that we don't expect such things on the Internet - but it's true. They're out there. This is what the ignore function is for. I can't use it for you.

[bpc]

Yea, you know better, Chris. You know the difference between a constructive poster with differing opinion, and someone simply out to ruin a place for everyone.

Again, I'm sorry this is so bad for you. You used to enjoy the game and we all used to enjoy your posts. Honestly, I just can't understand why you bother with it anymore if it hurts you so badly to see anyone with the slightest bit of optimism when speaking about the Broncos.

Don't feel bad for me. I am disappointed with losing Cutler but i'm finding my players that I can root for on this team. I still love the Broncos. I don't like Pat Bowlen. I think McDaniels can be a good coach in this league and the sooner he learns that his AMAZING system needs good players just as much as him, he'll do a lot better. I'm resigned to the fact that this is a 5 year project right now with a huge hole at QB. Unfortunately they don't grow on trees and teams don't usually give them up once they've found them. We just happened to go out of our way to get rid of ours. Chicago's game. As soon as we find a QB that can run this offense, it will probably be a 2-3 maturation process. The guy we need is not on our roster yet.

[Bronx33]

I don't know what happened with Lex today. I was at the park celebrating my son's 3rd birthday up until the game started. What I do know is that we allowed people who criticized Shanahan to hang around. And what happened on the field pretty much did all the "regulating" that needed to be done. Some weeks, those criticims looked moronic. Other weeks, they looked well placed.

Some people are idiots though. I know that we don't expect such things on the Internet - but it's true. They're out there. This is what the ignore function is for. I can't use it for you.


hes a spammer....

[lex]

Listen, i apologize for getting heated, im sure if we met in real life, we'd get along fine (i get along with everyone), but christ...seriously, trying being positive ONCE

No need to apologize. It really doesnt bother me.

[Popps]

Not only that, but if you are watching NBC, the BRONCOS ARE DOOOOOOOOMMMEEED. Holy crap, why even play the season. You'd think we were blown out like the raiders were. When the starters left, it was 17-10 (our starters minus orton)

I love it, man. Let them put the stake in us.

I can't wait for this team to stick it up people's asses. I truly can't. There are so many people who want to bury this team, starting with this very board... and working outward.

Yep, please everyone... keep writing our eulogy.

[steeledude]

You are the biggest douche bag on this board. Whats sad is you are one of the biggest reasons the good posters have left. Sad that you are left to be such a troll.

You should go with the ones who left. I'm guessing the "good" ones are like you and pissed off and throwing lame insults at everyone.

[Taco John]

Cutler and Orton were dead-even stats-wise when Orton left the game. Cutler had one drive, and Taco's and Lex are jizzing all over each other.


You post stuff like this, and you think you've got some sort of moral high ground? Yeah, great positive posting. You're a real example. And yet, you attack me, and do I ban you? Any other forum would perma-ban you for such a comment. How is it that I can ignore your brainless spewing, but you get so hung up on Lex's crap?

I don't even agree with Lex. I think McDaniels has done a decent job considering the hole he's found himself dug into. The more I learn about the guy and his style, the more I like him. But that doesn't mean I'm going to ban people for refusing to see the positive aspects.

There are plenty of other boards that ban people for being negative. Why not just go to one of them?

[Bronx33]

You post stuff like this, and you think you've got some sort of moral high ground? Yeah, great positive posting. You're a real example. And yet, you attack me, and do I ban you? Any other forum would perma-ban you for such a comment. How is it that I can ignore your brainless spewing, but you get so hung up on Lex's crap?

I don't even agree with Lex. I think McDaniels has done a decent job considering the hole he's found himself dug into. The more I learn about the guy and his style, the more I like him. But that doesn't mean I'm going to ban people for refusing to see the positive aspects.

There are plenty of other boards that ban people for being negative. Why not just go to one of them?


So long as you admit lex's posts are crap...:clown:

[steeledude]

You post stuff like this, and you think you've got some sort of moral high ground? Yeah, great positive posting. You're a real example. And yet, you attack me, and do I ban you? Any other forum would perma-ban you for such a comment. How is it that I can ignore your brainless spewing, but you get so hung up on Lex's crap?



I got suspended from the broncos.com forum for "defying" a mod in a PM! Not even in public. Not that my opinion matters much, but you seem more than fair, and more than patient. I like a mod who doesn't get hurt about everything.

Anyway--Cutler looked real good tonight. When Harrison came on and said McD messed up, we know there is a problem. He said you don't trade a franchise QB for a backup QB. That isn't exactly what happened, but looking back, we had to get rid of one of our first rounders because we couldn't afford two first rounders next year. I mean we gave a franchise QB away for very little.

[Taco John]

I got suspended from the broncos.com forum for "defying" a mod in a PM! Not even in public. Not that my opinion matters much, but you seem more than fair, and more than patient. I like a mod who doesn't get hurt about everything.


I'm not too concerned about criticism. I feel like I'm doing as good a job as any one here could do - and I welcome any one to start their own forum if they think that they'd do a better job. I'm not even a little bit concerned about what's going on with this forum. I've seen it before - it's just that it's especially rough right now given the massive changes that have happened in the last 8 months.

It's amusing to me though. This place was "the best Broncos forum on the Internet" when Mike Shanahan was the coach. Then the biggest divorce in Broncos history happens and major fallout takes place that is unprecedented in the history of the NFL, and now this forum "has fallen a long ways."

It'll keep falling if we have a losing season. I'm not going to be able to ban our way out of this. It'll be just me, Popps, and Tsiguy if I tried that. The Broncos are going to have to pull their weight on the field. Winning cures all.

[Taco John]

It's cool, Taco.

We just run our businesses differently. If someone was making a mockery of mine and pissing off my regulars, I'd do something about it.

But, if you want to let this guy **** all over your house, have at it.



You were the Lex of this forum in 2003. I had to fend off complaint after complaint about you, asking why I didn't just ban you.

If I ran my business like you apparently do, you wouldn't be on this forum.

[Popps]

You were the Lex of this forum in 2003. I had to fend off complaint after complaint about you, asking why I didn't just ban you.

If I ran my business like you apparently do, you wouldn't be on this forum.

Of course, you know that's bull****.

Let's pull up the archives and prove it.

OH, wait... you deleted them. Oops.


Tell you what, Taco... maybe a little less sucking Lex and a little more worrying about your site getting banned from Broncos functions and your server crashing every time we kick a field goal.

[Taco John]

Of course, you know that's bull****.

Not at all. I got plenty of requests to ban you for your negativity back then. Everybody knows how negative your personality is. I'm not sure why this is news to you.

[Popps]

Not at all. I got plenty of requests to ban you for your negativity back then. Everybody knows how negative your personality is. I'm not sure why this is news to you.

Sorry man, tried to respond but the server crashed 10 times.

Yea, Taco... that's why people on this thread are accusing me of being too positive, because I'm negative. Good work, detective.

It's cool, man. You just keep letting spammers running Broncos fans off of your board. Apparently you don't care much about the football aspect of it, and clearly you're business prowess has shown itself for what it is as of late.

sadly, I am considering leaving also....not that anyone gives a rip, but people like lex flat out ruin it for me

Rep comment from someone in reference to people leaving because of the degradation of the forum.

He's right, though.... no one cares. That's clear.

[Taco John]

The forum is always in decline when the Broncos are in decline... Except that it's just a perception. Our traffic continues to trend upward through all this mess. People come, people go. I'm not here to crack an iron fist and demand that everyone think like me. I'd just as soon observe the contrast of opinion and witness how it changes based on what happens on the field.

[TheReverend]

In fairness, I think that this is less about Lex and more about how things went for us vs. Cutler. This is going to be a long season.

Completely right. People's hopes that've turned to dust are manifesting themselves into anger at lex.

[DomCasual]

It's cool that we have an avatar for TJ and Popps.

I'm just saying. That's sort of cool. I wish I had an avatar named after me.

[Victor]

It's preseason fellas. How about we wait until the real bullets fly before we start the slap fights.

[TheReverend]

I love it, man. Let them put the stake in us.

I can't wait to stick it up people's asses. I truly can't. There are so many people who want to bury this team, starting with this very board... and working outward.

Yep, please everyone... keep writing our eulogy.

Only 3 consecutive words deleted :)

[Popps]

Completely right. People's hopes that've turned to dust are manifesting themselves into anger at lex.

Honestly, Rev. What hopes were dashed tonight?

Orton had a 90 QB rating. The defense showed flashes. Dumervil looked great. The secondary made progress. Dawkins is awesome.

Seriously, why would anyone be throwing in the towel at this point? We knew this was going to be a season of ups and downs. Personally, I see more good than bad right now.

The anger at Lex is just because he's spamming the board and people just don't dig it, imo.

Honestly, what was so horrific about tonight? Last week was worse, to me.
The only thing that worried me was the running game.

Outside of Hester's return, it was essentially an even game until Orton went out.

[lex]

Honestly, Rev. What hopes were dashed tonight?

Orton had a 90 QB rating. The defense showed flashes. Dumervil looked great. The secondary made progress. Dawkins is awesome.

Seriously, why would anyone be throwing in the towel at this point? We knew this was going to be a season of ups and downs. Personally, I see more good than bad right now.

The anger at Lex is just because he's spamming the board and people just don't dig it, imo.

Honestly, what was so horrific about tonight? Last week was worse, to me.
The only thing that worried me was the running game.

Outside of Hester's return, it was essentially an even game until Orton went out.

Theyre not mad because of the spamming. They were tweaked by the spamming, which was quid pro quo and needed to be done. But they were mad before that.

[DomCasual]

Theyre not mad because of the spamming. They were tweaked by the spamming, which was quid pro quo and needed to be done. But they were mad before that.

What in the hell does that mean - the spamming was "quid pro quo" and "needed to be done?"

[TheReverend]

Honestly, Rev. What hopes were dashed tonight?

Orton had a 90 QB rating. The defense showed flashes. Dumervil looked great. The secondary made progress. Dawkins is awesome.

Seriously, why would anyone be throwing in the towel at this point? We knew this was going to be a season of ups and downs. Personally, I see more good than bad right now.

The anger at Lex is just because he's spamming the board and people just don't dig it, imo.

Honestly, what was so horrific about tonight? Last week was worse, to me.
The only thing that worried me was the running game.

Outside of Hester's return, it was essentially an even game until Orton went out.

Because every reason the optimistics have lobbed forward were put on a dais and closely examined under a national microscope tonight?

1. Orton still cannot complete a forward pass. We'll see what we can do with the lateral screen and check-down game, but we have zero evidence past 1 13.5 yard throw today that he can complete throwing the ball down the field.

2. It's a fact that Jay succeeded. Despite having a terrific performance by Denver punters and every excuse the Orton/Cutler condemners supporters have had in the book from poor Chicago OL, poor receivers, etc. He had a good night, despite the handicaps, against a fired team, and was throwing the ball down the field. That's a myth in these parts now.

3. You can see that the anger and the "F this I'm quitting the Mane" theme has been DIRECTLY proportional to the on field televised performances... not what lex has been posting. One game and 3 interceptions puts montrose down at the advice of psychiatric professionals apparently. Shortly after we see a left-handed interception and a Kaylore screaming that Shanahan sucks on his way out. Now who leaves after tonight? Answer: It's really not lex's fault...

[Popps]

Because every reason the optimistics have lobbed forward were put on a dais and closely examined under a national microscope tonight?

1. Orton still cannot complete a forward pass. We'll see what we can do with the lateral screen and check-down game, but we have zero evidence past 1 13.5 yard throw today that he can complete throwing the ball down the field..

Agree that we've been a short-ball team, but Orton did look fine when he threw deeper tonight and had no problem doing it in Chicago. Until we see a regular season game-plan, I'm not going to panic. I highly doubt anyone else is, either. Penalties killed more drives than Orton did tonight. He played pretty well.


2. It's a fact that Jay succeeded. Despite having a terrific performance by Denver punters and every excuse the Orton/Cutler condemners supporters have had in the book from poor Chicago OL, poor receivers, etc. He had a good night, despite the handicaps, against a fired team, and was throwing the ball down the field. That's a myth in these parts now.
.

Jay had a bad start, and one good drive. I believe they were up by one TD when Orton went down? Hester set up an easy score for them. We had no such luck.

Cutler was fine, but certainly didn't have any sort of jealously-inspiring performance. He's played much better games as a Bronco and I doubt anyone here is shocked that he's capable of a few good drives. Remember, we've all seen him play for three seasons. We know what he's capable of... good and bad.


3. You can see that the anger and the "F this I'm quitting the Mane" theme has been DIRECTLY proportional to the on field televised performances... not what lex has been posting. One game and 3 interceptions puts montrose down at the advice of psychiatric professionals apparently. Shortly after we see a left-handed interception and a Kaylore screaming that Shanahan sucks on his way out. Now who leaves after tonight? Answer: It's really not lex's fault...

Look, I don't know about all of that... but to me, people resent trolls and spammers running amuck more than they have a big problem with differing opinion.

Beyond that, my question was really... what was so horrific tonight that would have inspired any sort of panic among Broncos fans, and I just didn't see it. From what I'm reading, I don't think most other people did either.

[TheReverend]

Agree that we've been a short-ball team, but Orton did look fine when he threw deeper tonight and had no problem doing it in Chicago. Until we see a regular season game-plan, I'm not going to panic. I highly doubt anyone else is, either. Penalties killed more drives than Orton did tonight. He played pretty well.

Fact #1: Orton's deepest past was 13.5 yards

Fact #2: The game was actually played in Denver...

Jay had a bad start, and one good drive. I believe they were up by one TD when Orton went down? Hester set up an easy score for them. We had no such luck.

Actually Orton was the only Denver QB to throw a first half pass and the first half ended 17-3. Orton did "Technically" hurt himself right before Cutler's 98 yard drive, but Orton also had an extra possession from receiving the ball first, so all things fair, and by fair I mean non-Popps-skewed, it was 17-3.

Cutler was fine, but certainly didn't have any sort of jealously-inspiring performance. He's played much better games as a Bronco and I doubt anyone here is shocked that he's capable of a few good drives. Remember, we've all seen him play for three seasons. We know what he's capable of... good and bad.

I'll agree here, but only because it was against our defense :)

A 15/21 144 1 TD half against a different team would be really impressive.

Look, I don't know about all of that... but to me, people resent trolls and spammers running amuck more than they have a big problem with differing opinion.

Beyond that, my question was really... what was so horrific tonight that would have inspired any sort of panic among Broncos fans, and I just didn't see it. From what I'm reading, I don't think most other people did either.

Head to head, and the reality of what's starting to sort itself out, and the national attention, and hearing the media talking heads drill the same point home. Personally, I don't find any of it horrific, but I'm not one of the guys who've fled the website.

[Popps]

Fact #1: Orton's deepest past was 13.5 yards

Fact #2: The game was actually played in Denver...



Thanks, though.

.

Ummm... he played IN Chicago last year, homeboy. :)

[TheReverend]

Ummm... he played IN Chicago last year, homeboy. :)

Okay, well that clears up that part of your post :)

[Popps]

Head to head, and the reality of what's starting to sort itself out, and the national attention, and hearing the media talking heads drill the same point home. Personally, I don't find any of it horrific, but I'm not one of the guys who've fled the website.

Me either.

Then again, I'm prepared for a rocky year. I'm not looking for a SB season. I want to see a real foundation put in place for sustained winning, and I think a lot of that is happening.

There are 6-10 scenarios for this team that I think are very positive... or very negative.

I just didn't see anything that bad tonight outside of penalties and running troubles, and conversely... saw a lot of encouraging things out there.

[Popps]

By the way, Rev... I agree, we have to get the ball down the field more. Not much more, but more than none.

I just think we'll see a different look from the starting offense once the season starts. If I'm wrong, well... I'm sure the staff will deal with it.

The dude is capable of throwing the ball to open receivers 25 yards down field.

[listopencil]

I don't know what happened with Lex today. I was at the park celebrating my son's 3rd birthday up until the game started. What I do know is that we allowed people who criticized Shanahan to hang around. And what happened on the field pretty much did all the "regulating" that needed to be done. Some weeks, those criticims looked moronic. Other weeks, they looked well placed.

Some people are idiots though. I know that we don't expect such things on the Internet - but it's true. They're out there. This is what the ignore function is for. I can't use it for you.


:notworthy

[azbroncfan]

You are the biggest douche bag on this board. Whats sad is you are one of the biggest reasons the good posters have left. Sad that you are left to be such a troll.

I think the bigger issue isn't so much that LEX is a troll but rather the mods don't have any nuts and refuse to do anything about the troll.

[listopencil]

What a trip, another thread headed towards 100 posts and you guys think lex is bad for the board? This place is bizarre.

[listopencil]

Seriously. All the guy did was post "Ron Turner>Josh Mcdaniels?" as a thread title, barely a half comment in the OP and off we go. If I were him I'd be laughing my ass off at you guys right now.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Oh christ, Lex seriously...you are just such a miserable a-hole. Maybe you need a labotomy

i think he just needs to get laid. think about Bob. he got laid and his posts became somewhat tolerable(well as tolerable as a Chiefs fan can be), maybe if Lex ould find a desperate chick willing to give it up he would become tolerable.

[TheReverend]

Me either.

Then again, I'm prepared for a rocky year. I'm not looking for a SB season. I want to see a real foundation put in place for sustained winning, and I think a lot of that is happening.

There are 6-10 scenarios for this team that I think are very positive... or very negative.

I just didn't see anything that bad tonight outside of penalties and running troubles, and conversely... saw a lot of encouraging things out there.

I think the scenario is significantly bleaker than 6-10, but let's hope for the best ;)

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I think the scenario is significantly bleaker than 6-10, but let's hope for the best ;)

Is it? Did the broncos get blown out in every preseason game? The only reason i think they might be worse is the schedule, but i think we'll actually be pretty steady...and im sure we'lll improve week to week as the players get more comfortable in the system. I don't get the doom and gloom, i think we looked much worse in past preseasons

[TheReverend]

Is it? Did the broncos get blown out in every preseason game? The only reason i think they might be worse is the schedule, but i think we'll actually be pretty steady...and im sure we'lll improve week to week as the players get more comfortable in the system. I don't get the doom and gloom, i think we looked much worse in past preseasons

I'll respect your opinion, but none of that has shiit to do with what I said.... at all.......

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[SonOfLe-loLang]

I'll respect your opinion, but none of that has shiit to do with what I said.... at all.......

Its an interpretation of it. Its basically, talent wise (without cutler) a similar team that trotted out there last year...though then again, a few balls bounce the other way and last years team is 6-10, 5-11...so there ya have it.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Me either.

Then again, I'm prepared for a rocky year. I'm not looking for a SB season. I want to see a real foundation put in place for sustained winning, and I think a lot of that is happening.

There are 6-10 scenarios for this team that I think are very positive... or very negative.

I just didn't see anything that bad tonight outside of penalties and running troubles, and conversely... saw a lot of encouraging things out there.

i am not worried about the running game. Moreno is our starting back and he hasn't played yet, and with him and Hillis and Buck splitting carries we are going to be fine running the ball. also, we have been playing teams that are actually pretty stout against the run, so the fact that we haven't kicked ass on the ground isn't worrisome yet.

[TheReverend]

Its an interpretation of it. Its basically, talent wise (without cutler) a similar team that trotted out there last year...though then again, a few balls bounce the other way and last years team is 6-10, 5-11...so there ya have it.

Your thought process seems to be all over the place in this thread... None of this really discusses what I said...

Regardless, for every "ball that could've bounced the other way", there's a situation in the other vein such as Marshall's TD called back on BS offensive interference call.

It's all relative.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Your thought process seems to be all over the place in this thread... None of this really discusses what I said...

Regardless, for every "ball that could've bounced the other way", there's a situation in the other vein such as Marshall's TD called back on BS offensive interference call.

It's all relative.

I'm not sure what you're having trouble understanding. It doesnt even matter, nevermind

[elsid13]

Fact #1: Orton's deepest past was 13.5 yards

Fact #2: The game was actually played in Denver...



Actually Orton was the only Denver QB to throw a first half pass and the first half ended 17-3. Orton did "Technically" hurt himself right before Cutler's 98 yard drive, but Orton also had an extra possession from receiving the ball first, so all things fair, and by fair I mean non-Popps-skewed, it was 17-3.



I'll agree here, but only because it was against our defense :)

A 15/21 144 1 TD half against a different team would be really impressive.



Head to head, and the reality of what's starting to sort itself out, and the national attention, and hearing the media talking heads drill the same point home. Personally, I don't find any of it horrific, but I'm not one of the guys who've fled the website.


Going 98 yard in hostile stadium against any NFL defense is impressive. Denver defense isn't that bad and has talent especial when comes to the pass defense arena. Bottom line a talented QB and players makes any coach smarter then he really is.

[55CrushEm]

It's cool that we have an avatar for TJ and Popps.

I'm just saying. That's sort of cool. I wish I had an avatar named after me.

Oh yeah! Sweet.

:TJnPopps:

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

pile of dog **** > lex?

Just saying.

[OABB]

Lex doesn't bother me with his anti bronco stuff or any of that.

What bothers me about him is that when he is clearly wrong, I mean clearly wrong, he will bury his head in the sand. Than he will change his argument and deny what happened in the first place.

Go read the famous NBA thread if you don't believe me. This is seriously sociopathic behavior, and it is upsetting for all of us to (even on the internet) to be surrounded by that kind of deranged psychosis.

You see, Lex is just triggering our natural impulse to attack a weaker, unbalanced animal in our pack. When a crazy insecure dog enters a healthy dog pack, they are shunned, or killed. It is just the normal reaction.

No one doubts that he is capable of insight, just like any breathing human, but what we see is an alarming imbalance, and the absence of even human emotions or the ability to comprehend simple logic.

I would totally support a ban of Lex, but not to get rid of him because he is negative, I support a ban in hopes that by shunning him he will use that humiliation to take stock of his screwed up loserness and perhaps even correct his lameness so that he can grow and become a functional member of society, and not the vaginal discharge that he currently is.

[Popps]

Ultimately winning and losing in the NFL comes down to talent. Chicago acquired it this offseason, Denver gave it away. Fact.

The owner brought this disaster to our feet. Now we have to embrace it. I hope McDaniels can coach as well as he can talk.

Hilarious!

[Br0nc0Buster]

Hilarious!

whoops
Well there you have it
Chicago brought in all that "talent", yet their offense somehow seemed to get worse

Could it be because they have the league leader in turnovers as their leader?
Nah thats blasphemy

[Ironlung]

Here we go!

[Popps]

whoops
Well there you have it
Chicago brought in all that "talent", yet their offense somehow seemed to get worse

Could it be because they have the league leader in turnovers as their leader?
Nah thats blasphemy

No dude, haven't you heard?

Yea... the new thing is, Chicago DIDN'T bring in any talent.

I know, weird... right? First we heard how brilliant they were... and now the excuse-train is at full-speed!

[theAPAOps5]

Ultimately winning and losing in the NFL comes down to talent. Chicago acquired it this offseason, Denver gave it away. Fact.

The owner brought this disaster to our feet. Now we have to embrace it. I hope McDaniels can coach as well as he can talk.

I am sure this has been bumped and quoted again but hot damn what a hilarious and sad post this turned out to be.

bpc please revisit this and explain how Chicago acquired talent and Denver gave it away. Seriously I would love to hear your explanation because I am sure its going to be good. Denver took 2 steps forward ridding themselves of CutLEAF I am curious to see if you still think he is more talented!

[OABB]

God Lex sucks.

[Kaylore]

Chalk this thread up to another ultimate Fail by Lex.

According to Lex:


Ryan Clady was a horrible pick and we ruined our entire draft by picking him.
Selecting Eddie Royal also completely ruined the entire draft.
Trading Cutler was a huge mistake.
Josh McDaniels wouldn't win more than three games this year.
And Ron Turner is a better coach than Josh McDaniels.


Pretty much Lex is the Bob of our board. He's a complete douche bag, is rude to everyone and most of all is completely wrong about everything and anything football related. I encourage one and all to just save yourself some time and put him on ignore.

[OABB]

Chalk this thread up to another ultimate Fail by Lex.

According to Lex:


Ryan Clady was a horrible pick and we ruined our entire draft by picking him.
Selecting Eddie Royal also completely ruined the entire draft.
Trading Cutler was a huge mistake.
Josh McDaniels wouldn't win more than three games this year.
And Ron Turner is a better coach than Josh McDaniels.


Pretty much Lex is the Bob of our board. He's a complete douche bag, is rude to everyone and most of all is completely wrong about everything and anything football related. I encourage one and all to just save yourself some time and put him on ignore.


you forgot about kobe never hitting a game winner.

[HAT]

Here we go!

Just you wait AtH......I'm sitting on the Ultimate bump once it's mathematically impossible for Da' Bears to finish with a better record than The Bronc's.

To be continued....

[Dagmar]

Just you wait AtH......I'm sitting on the Ultimate bump once it's mathematically impossible for Da' Bears to finish with a better record than The Bronc's.

To be continued....

That is gonna be a fun day. :thumbs:

[enjolras]

Who was responsible for the Dallas Maverick complete meltdown a couple of years ago?

[HAT]

Who was responsible for the Dallas Maverick complete meltdown a couple of years ago?

Brian Griese?

[Ramblin' Bronco]

I haven't seen anyone more hated then Lex, this thread was a massive fail.

[OABB]

I haven't seen anyone more hated then Lex, this thread was a massive fail.

well even bob makes me laugh once and a while. I also think Bob plays up his loserness to get attention. Although sad, it makes for entertaining posts once in a while.

Plus Bob can admit when he is wrong.

The truth is, Lex is the WORST poster here and that is saying a lot. There are some real ****stains here, and lex is their Queen.

[STBumpkin]

i think he just needs to get laid. think about Bob. he got laid and his posts became somewhat tolerable(well as tolerable as a Chiefs fan can be), maybe if Lex ould find a desperate chick willing to give it up he would become tolerable.

Whoa Whoa Whoa WHAT!!!? BOB got laid...in our species? No F'n Way!?! How did I miss that?

[Killericon]

Whoa Whoa Whoa WHAT!!!? BOB got laid...in our species? No F'n Way!?! How did I miss that?

He saved up for YEARS.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/turkeyslapper/Ba_ZING.gif

[BroncoMan4ever]

And yes, for the last time, i think most of us would rather have kept Jay...many havent said different, BUT GET THE **** OVER IT, IT HAPPENED MONTHS AGO! Youre like randy quaid in Major League 2....my god, youre so ****ing annoying

when the trade first happened, you are right the overwelming majority of this board and fanbase was pissed that Jay was gone. but now that a full offseason, and 3/4 of a season has gone by, the majority now believes we did the right thing for the franchise by trading that head case.

[BroncoMan4ever]

No dude, haven't you heard?

Yea... the new thing is, Chicago DIDN'T bring in any talent.

I know, weird... right? First we heard how brilliant they were... and now the excuse-train is at full-speed!

i think the new excuse is that he has no faith in his coaches and because of that he is playing like ****.

always an excuse at the ready for Cutler. in Chicago it is coaching, lack of receiving weapons and line talent(oddly though, Orton was capable of being a winner with less talent)
in Denver is was we had no defense or running threat.

i am waiting for the inevitable moment when every person who slobs his knob to get to the point of realization that maybe he just isn't a winner and never will be.

Sadly that moment will give Kiper the ammo to flap his gums about finally being right about something.

[lex]

Chalk this thread up to another ultimate Fail by Lex.

According to Lex:


Ryan Clady was a horrible pick and we ruined our entire draft by picking him.
Selecting Eddie Royal also completely ruined the entire draft.
Trading Cutler was a huge mistake.
Josh McDaniels wouldn't win more than three games this year.
And Ron Turner is a better coach than Josh McDaniels.


Pretty much Lex is the Bob of our board. He's a complete douche bag, is rude to everyone and most of all is completely wrong about everything and anything football related. I encourage one and all to just save yourself some time and put him on ignore.


This post is full of massive distortion and inaccuracy and it was thoroughly discussed previously in another thread.

[broncocalijohn]

Who was responsible for the Dallas Maverick complete meltdown a couple of years ago?

Was that Drama Llama/McSkillet? I know he disappeared when they got swept from an 8th seed. Popps owns Lex as these bumped thread gives us new things to bitch about to each other.

[lex]

Was that Drama Llama/McSkillet? I know he disappeared when they got swept from an 8th seed. Popps owns Lex as these bumped thread gives us new things to b**** about to each other.

Youre not a smart man. Ill just help you along where this thread is concerned.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byteam?group=Offense&cat=Total

The Broncos have a better offensive line, possibly a better RB, better WRs, and, according to many of you, a better QB. So why is Chicago scoring more pts per game than Denver? Have fun reconciling that.

And why is Denver only averaging 13 more yards per game than Chicago if our offense is so much better?

How many people have got behind Josh because he criticized our offense last year for not scoring enough? Well, here we are with more yards (even if only a little) and fewer ponts than Chicago...with greater talent.

Have fun reconciling that. And just remember, you and Popp were the ones who put the spotlight on this. I had no intention of hammering this nail...but now youre putting it in front of me. Yeah, Im so antagonistic yet Ive not brought any of this up until you step in it.

You guys (ie you and the other riff raff) are priceless.

[Popps]

Youre not a smart man.

Wow, five words of criticism about someone's intellect and you couldn't manage to get through them without a grammar error.

[broncocalijohn]

Youre not a smart man.

says the guy who is getting his threads bumped for embarrassment. It isnt just that you are wrong, it is that you cant admit it and keep digging a bigger hole. That is ok, because Popps is proving that we need one big hole for the crap that comes out of your keyboard. Lex, do they love you here as much as they "love" you over at Broncos Forums?

[lex]

Wow, five words of criticism about someone's intellect and you couldn't manage to get through them without a grammar error.

See the edit. You have some explaining to do, btw, since you brought it up.

[lex]

says the guy who is getting his threads bumped for embarrassment. It isnt just that you are wrong, it is that you cant admit it and keep digging a bigger hole. That is ok, because Popps is proving that we need one big hole for the crap that comes out of your keyboard. Lex, do they love you here as much as they "love" you over at Broncos Forums?

See my response to Popps. You need to start hamsterwheeling about how I was wrong in this thread yet our more talented offense isnt really outproducing Chicago's.

[lex]

Im still waiting for someone to reconcile the statistical disparity between our more talented offense and the less talented Chicago Bears offense. Just so you guys (Poops and Cali) know.

[Popps]

Im still waiting for someone to reconcile the statistical disparity between our more talented offense and the less talented Chicago Bears offense. Just so you guys (Poops and Cali) know.

:spit:

How about we start with wins...

and then QB turnovers.

Let's start there.

[Popps]

See my response to Popps. You need to start hamsterwheeling about how I was wrong in this thread yet our more talented offense isnt really outproducing Chicago's.

Yea... only, no.

What you said was...

Turner>McDaniels "Just sayin'."


Turner is about to get thrown out on his ear and McDaniels has his team ripe for a playoff spot.



You poor thing.

[lex]

:spit:

How about we start with wins...

and then QB turnovers.

Let's start there.

No, Ron Turner calls Chicago's plays and McDaniels calls Denvers plays. That was the comparison. Defense isnt even relevant in that comparison. You have to look at the offenses.

[lex]

Yea... only, no.

What you said was...

Turner>McDaniels "Just sayin'."


Turner is about to get thrown out on his ear and McDaniels has his team ripe for a playoff spot.



You poor thing.

Youre making a pretty severe indictment of McDaniels by bringing this up.

[broncocalijohn]

Im still waiting for someone to reconcile the statistical disparity between our more talented offense and the less talented Chicago Bears offense. Just so you guys (Poops and Cali) know.

to u it was all about Jay. Well, Jay isnt a winner. Wasnt here and is not in Chicago.

[lex]

to u it was all about Jay. Well, Jay isnt a winner. Wasnt here and is not in Chicago.

So, basically, you cant do it. Thats what I thought. And you guys wonder why I call you out on being dumb. You start chestpounding when you were really stepping in it. Ha! Classic!

[Popps]

Youre making a pretty severe indictment of McDaniels by bringing this up.

Sure, kid.

All I know is... I haven't read about McDaniel's job being in jeopardy.


Turner, on the other hand...

[lex]

Sure, kid.

All I know is... I haven't read about McDaniel's job being in jeopardy.


Turner, on the other hand...

That doesnt change the fact that McDaniels has more talent to work with at RB, offensive line (even with Hamiltons struggles), and QB (according to you angry women)...and yet, Ron Turners offense holds its own statistically.

Again, youre making a pretty severe indictment of McDaniels. And note that youre the one who brought up this issue. Classic. LOL

[bowtown]

So then you stand by your claim of Ron Turner > Josh McDaniels?

[lex]

So then you stand by your claim of Ron Turner > Josh McDaniels?

I havent even been fixated on comparisons...not even when this thread was made. This statement was more "where's the offense?" Popps was the one who dug up this thread...only to see it blow up in his face.

[Domostick]

Jay Cutler has 20 interceptions and 1 lost fumble. Orton has 6 interceptions and no lost fumble specifically leading our team to a positive turnover ratio. Cutler has his team at a negative turnover ratio while his defense has provided 30 turnovers already.

[The MVPlaya]

lex is a fuccin loser... I chew him up and spit him out all the time... all he can do is talk about my forum name...

How about playing with an injured QB for a couple games (Orton playing with a glove) and Chris Simms playing 1 game. (4 quarters)

I think that would tarnish it just a bit.

Our offense has been drastically better as the season has progressed, as our whole team is in a brand new system. You can see everyone being more comfortable.

I'd take the challenge of comparing these two offenses at the end of the season.

Denver Broncos are clearly improving, as the Bears are not.

[The MVPlaya]

That doesnt change the fact that McDaniels has more talent to work with at RB, offensive line (even with Hamiltons struggles), and QB (according to you angry women)...and yet, Ron Turners offense holds its own statistically.

Again, youre making a pretty severe indictment of McDaniels. And note that youre the one who brought up this issue. Classic. LOL

The statistics are merely hollow, as McD would say.

Much more talent to work with at RB? QB? As far as TALENT goes, Jay is a better talent. Beginning of the season, it'd be a joke to say Broncos had better RB talent to work with... Forte is a good RB.

lol @ hold's it's own statistically... hmmm I wonder if they actually hold their own on the FIELD.

lex, you're so dumb that it's hilarious to watch you make the same mistakes over and over. You pull up these stats now in defense - when it's CLEAR that the Broncos offense is improving. You never ever think about what could be in the long run which is why you get owned so damn much.

Broncos are improving - Bears are NOT.

[cutthemdown]

Im still waiting for someone to reconcile the statistical disparity between our more talented offense and the less talented Chicago Bears offense. Just so you guys (Poops and Cali) know.

we have a better defense and take less risks, which equal less yrds and points, but also fewer turnovers.

Also Broncos played a way tougher schedule then the Bears have. That probably accounts for some of what you are looking for.

Cutler by far the more dynamic of the 2 qbs but how many points do 20 int cost your defense? That's what makes Cutlers stats go out the window.

Orton and Cutler are hard to compare really. With Orton you would like a nice pocket, room for him to step up, quick throws that play to his strength which is accuracy and decision making.

With Cutler you want to move him around, get him making plays way downfield using his strength, which is his arm and mobility.

Problem is Cutler doesn't seem to be as good of a leader or as liked by his teammates. IMO that counts for a lot from your QB. IMO Griese had that same problem.

[Northman]

In fairness, I think that this is less about Lex and more about how things went for us vs. Cutler. This is going to be a long season.

Ill take the 7-4 record personally.

[Broncoman13]

Man, I came back for some intelligent football talk and here is Lex on the very first thread I open... same old crap on the Mane. Uggg, why???

[barryr]

This lex bozo has started more idiot threads than anyone with his chicken little garbage and Cutler hero worship and even though the team is doing far more than he preached would happen before the season started, he still finds more to bitch about. He isn't happy he was wrong with about everything and will continue to find anything and I mean anything to bitch about. He's not alone however. It wasn't just him acting this way, though some of them have seen the light and have at least tried to be happy despite their hero throwing picks at an alarming rate. Wait: I think Cutler just threw another interception, but it wasn't his fault since the player that caught it should have been wearing a Bears uniform, so it's his fault he intercepted it.

[jhat01]

steaming pile of bison **** > lex

[chex]

That doesnt change the fact that McDaniels has more talent to work with at RB, offensive line (even with Hamiltons struggles), and QB (according to you angry women)...and yet, Ron Turners offense holds its own statistically.


I've said it before, and will forever say it: stats are for losers.

The only thing that counts in football is wins. Period. End of story.

The only fans who worry about stats, are fans of losing teams.

And I guess when your team is 4-7, stats are all you have to keep yourself busy and satisfied with during the season.

Here's a stat for you, Ron Turner, and Jay Cutler:

Denver - 7-4

Chicago - 4-7

7-4 > 4-7

[oubronco]

Huh? Keeping guys like like what? People are welcome to come and go. You're no better for the tone of this board than Lex is. You bring just as negative a tone to this place as any single poster.

No Shyt :thumbsup:

[Bronco Boy]

Is lex Matt Millen?

[Domostick]

Lex is the most unintelligent person with whom to argue with regarding football. He is just an attention whore and doesn't care if he is wrong. Cutler's 21 turnovers have led to 7 loses while Orton's 6 have led to 7 and possibly 8 if he plays the Washington game.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Im still waiting for someone to reconcile the statistical disparity between our more talented offense and the less talented Chicago Bears offense. Just so you guys (Poops and Cali) know.

Posting at 2am? Dude, it's time to grow up.

He's even a retard late at night. Shocking.

[oubronco]

lex is the most unintelligent person with whom to argue with regarding football. He is just an attention whore and doesn't care if he is wrong. cutler's 21 turnovers have led to 7 loses while orton's 6 have led to 7 and possibly 8 if he plays the washington game.

wtf?

[Dedhed]

Im still waiting for someone to reconcile the statistical disparity between our more talented offense and the less talented Chicago Bears offense. Just so you guys (Poops and Cali) know.

It's called balance. We all know Cutler is is hit or miss, more miss lately, but whatever.

One of the main reasons our offense put up huge numbers last year was because our defense was so bad. We were forced into being stupidly aggressive. That leads to a lot of points, and a lot of TOs.

Same in Chicago for Jay this year. Always playing from behind allows an offense to put up huge numbers because the defense plays soft and milks the clock. The offense also always has to be full throttle. Lots of points, lots of TOs.

With a good defense you look to sustain drives, control the clock and not turn the ball over. Lots of time in the mid-range gears. Much better for your engine, and wins.

Is this really that difficult for you to grasp? You really thought you were onto something there didn't you?

[tsiguy96]

lex, i got a question. if everyone thinks you are constantly wrong, about everything, dont you think maybe its time to revisit some of the **** you are saying, especially given the team record?

or does none of that matter as long as you can find a statistic to grasp on to to try and prove your original point?

[Domostick]

wtf?

I meant 7 - 8 wins.

[OABB]

Lex, you suck balls. that is all.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

I havent even been fixated on comparisons...not even when this thread was made. This statement was more "where's the offense?" Popps was the one who dug up this thread...only to see it blow up in his face.

Nah, don't answer the question or anything. We know that's outside your ability.

[Inkana7]

Im still waiting for someone to reconcile the statistical disparity between our more talented offense and the less talented Chicago Bears offense. Just so you guys (Poops and Cali) know.

Lex, Chicago got the talent this offseason. Denver traded it away. Remember?

[Rabb]

Lex, Chicago got the talent this offseason. Denver traded it away. Remember?

+1

cracks me up that when the trade went down, most people thought Chicago was all of the sudden in control of that division and that we had screwed our team for the next century

but now that they realize, they have nothing around Jay, they point to that as the excuse for his problems

love it

the only thing I love more is that barring some Dan Snyder spending or some 2nd day draft miracles the Bears are ****ed for the next couple years in terms of improving

[Kaylore]

I love how he's pointing to stats to somehow justify himself. Chicago got what we had in a bunch of empty yards. Turnovers more than other stat dictate wins and loses and Cutler is piling up both. He still isn't above .500 as a starting QB and does his best work in garbage time when no one cares. My favorite is how all his ints are in the redzone creating point swings that directly cause losing. Several have been in the final moments of games showing how he is the opposite of clutch. People keep saying "well he has no help around him!" BS! He is not sacked like people pretend and were it not for his defense bailing him out with turnovers all the time, they would be a two win team right now.

[OABB]

Lex, Explain to me how the less talented, mildly retarded, weakest sperm fertilized your mother's egg when clearly there were much better and stronger sperm all around you.

[halfcreek]

Ultimately winning and losing in the NFL comes down to talent. Chicago acquired it this offseason, Denver gave it away. Fact.

The owner brought this disaster to our feet. Now we have to embrace it. I hope McDaniels can coach as well as he can talk.

lex squared

[vancejohnson82]

this is hilarious....even more hilarious is Lex continuing to post in this thread as if he is going to make some point

He would rather see a team put up 500 yards a game in losses than grind out 250 yards in wins

"See Sidney...the difference between me and you is that you would rather look good and lose than look bad and win"

- Bobby Ho' ---- White Men Cant Jump

Oh and lex is an assclown

[Popps]

this is hilarious....even more hilarious is Lex continuing to post in this thread as if he is going to make some point

He would rather see a team put up 500 yards a game in losses than grind out 250 yards in wins

"See Sidney...the difference between me and you is that you would rather look good and lose than look bad and win"

- Bobby Ho' ---- White Men Cant Jump

Oh and lex is an assclown



He's reverted to attacking people's families, now... which I actually figured he'd do. That's his MO. Lose an argument... then go after people's families.


Lex has been crapping on this forum for years, and now he clearly breaks TOS on a regular basis. You'd think the mods/owners might eventually say enough is enough.


This forum made the news one time because a personal issue like the ones Lex tries to provoke got out of hand. Someone lost their job over it, and I'm surprised things didn't get worse than that.

Seems odd that he'd be allowed to continue to run around, trying to stir up these kinds of issues.

[SJ Bronco]

ban him blue

:strong:^5

[Flex Gunmetal]

I havent even been fixated on comparisons...not even when this thread was made. This statement was more "where's the offense?" Popps was the one who dug up this thread...only to see it blow up in his face.

ORLY? :rofl:

Lex, you suck balls. that is all.

HOLLA!

[OABB]

Will he get banned?

who knows?

I told someone to kill themselves in a joking manner. That person told me to get shot and killed in a drive by in the same thread, on the very same page. Did we both get banned?

nope. just me.

Lex spammed this board and insults a man about his family.

what does that mean?

I'll probably get banned again.

[SJ Bronco]

Will he get banned?

who knows?

I told someone to kill themselves in a joking manner. That person told me to get shot and killed in a drive by in the same thread, on the very same page. Did we both get banned?

nope. just me.

Lex spammed this board and insults a man about his family.

what does that mean?

I'll probably get banned again.

Lex adds nothing to the board. i could see if he was just a dissenting opinion, but dude just runs around trying to provoke people into fights and just being an ass in general. He should be banned just for single highhandedly spamming the board with useless crap

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Lex adds nothing to the board. i could see if he was just a dissenting opinion, but dude just runs around trying to provoke people into fights and just being an ass in general. He should be banned just for single highhandedly spamming the board with useless crap

Not going to happen. TJ and Blue appreciate him, in spite of his nonsense, including the day he started something like 15 threads with the exact same headline, the very definition of spamming.

Not sure why they love him so much, but they do. He should have been banned after that show of his ass.

Since the mods won't do anything about it, we'll just have to keep embarrassing the **** out of him.

[SJ Bronco]

Not going to happen. TJ and Blue appreciate him, in spite of his nonsense, including the day he started something like 15 threads with the exact same headline, the very definition of spamming.

Not sure why they love him so much, but they do. He should have been banned after that show of his ass.

Since the mods won't do anything about it, we'll just have to keep embarrassing the **** out of him.

Yeah, i kinda noticed that. That's why I don't push for it. I keep supporting the cause though.!Booya!

[TonyR]

That's his MO. Lose an argument... then go after people's families.


lex is also funny because he thinks attacks on him are isolated incidents where in reality it is clear that most people think he's an idiot. He actually does have some good things to offer every now and again but shows a complete inability to consider anything anyone else has to say so he ends up in these pissing contests far too often.

As far as losing arguments I honestly don't think he even realizes that he's losing them. Complete denial. I see it from him time and time again. He changes or obfuscates the argument to convince himself that he's not wrong. I actually find him fairly entertaining myself.

[SJ Bronco]

lex is also funny because he thinks attacks on him are isolated incidents where in reality it is clear that most people think he's an idiot. He actually does have some good things to offer every now and again but shows a complete inability to consider anything anyone else has to say so he ends up in these pissing contests far too often.

As far as losing arguments I honestly don't think he even realizes that he's losing them. Complete denial. I see it from him time and time again. He changes or obfuscates the argument to convince himself that he's not wrong. I actually find him fairly entertaining myself.

I think I did at first, then i realized that no matter how much you may try to be cordial and or ignore him, he just "lock jaws" himself onto you. I even tried being nice to him once....he just called me names.

[Br0nc0Buster]

Ultimately winning and losing in the NFL comes down to talent. Chicago acquired it this offseason, Denver gave it away. Fact.

The owner brought this disaster to our feet. Now we have to embrace it. I hope McDaniels can coach as well as he can talk.

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[Rock Chalk]

Not going to happen. TJ and Blue appreciate him, in spite of his nonsense, including the day he started something like 15 threads with the exact same headline, the very definition of spamming.

Not sure why they love him so much, but they do. He should have been banned after that show of his ass.

Since the mods won't do anything about it, we'll just have to keep embarrassing the **** out of him.

I cant speak for Blue but lex = Bob for TJ.

He brings discussion (retarded as it may be) and traffic to the board which is what TJ wants.

There used to be a saying on the internet, there is no such thing as bad traffic, but that mantra has altered in the last 7-8 years. There is bad traffic, and lex and bob bring it with them.

Banning is not a good solution.

[Br0nc0Buster]

He's reverted to attacking people's families, now... which I actually figured he'd do. That's his MO. Lose an argument... then go after people's families.


Lex has been crapping on this forum for years, and now he clearly breaks TOS on a regular basis. You'd think the mods/owners might eventually say enough is enough.


This forum made the news one time because a personal issue like the ones Lex tries to provoke got out of hand. Someone lost their job over it, and I'm surprised things didn't get worse than that.

Seems odd that he'd be allowed to continue to run around, trying to stir up these kinds of issues.

rofl, I guess the internet is "serious business" for some

[OABB]

lex is also funny because he thinks attacks on him are isolated incidents where in reality it is clear that most people think he's an idiot. He actually does have some good things to offer every now and again but shows a complete inability to consider anything anyone else has to say so he ends up in these pissing contests far too often.

As far as losing arguments I honestly don't think he even realizes that he's losing them. Complete denial. I see it from him time and time again. He changes or obfuscates the argument to convince himself that he's not wrong. I actually find him fairly entertaining myself.

I agree, except for the entertaining part. It was at first, as any delusional arguing idiot will be, but than it just gets frustrating.

The fun part of beating up on a pathetic person like lex is that part of you deep down is hoping it will help him. When he only becomes more delusional it makes you crazy.

Ever since the famous NBA thread where he was owned even worse than now, and than kept redrawing the rules of the argument at the same time he acted as if he was winning I have known that he is unreachable.

He is a cancer to this board.

But if he is allowed to break the rules, than I think we should all be allowed to.

[SJ Bronco]

I cant speak for Blue but lex = Bob for TJ.

He brings discussion (retarded as it may be) and traffic to the board which is what TJ wants.

There used to be a saying on the internet, there is no such thing as bad traffic, but that mantra has altered in the last 7-8 years. There is bad traffic, and lex and bob bring it with them.

Banning is not a good solution.

Damn you have a good point. I hate you for that...:nyahdevil

[Paladin]

Lex adds nothing to the board.

Not true. Traffic which determines how much the advertisers are charged.....

Only way to deal with Lex is to ignore him, and to ignore him completely. Do not quote him, and just not respond to him.....

[sirhcyennek81]

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:Broncos:

[SJ Bronco]

Not true. Traffic which determines how much the advertisers are charged.....

Only way to deal with Lex is to ignore him, and to ignore him completely. Do not quote him, and just not respond to him.....

Yeah, someone just pointed that out. And i agree, but as someone that's been here forever, this board has never really had a traffic problem, but I seriously agree. Still, the guy is a wart on the nose of this forum...

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

I cant speak for Blue but lex = Bob for TJ.

He brings discussion (retarded as it may be) and traffic to the board which is what TJ wants.

There used to be a saying on the internet, there is no such thing as bad traffic, but that mantra has altered in the last 7-8 years. There is bad traffic, and lex and bob bring it with them.

Banning is not a good solution.

Sadly, that's still a saying on the internet. I've worked in the online content space for five years, and that's STILL the name of the game, though session length is a bigger part of things now.

And you're right: lex pulls people into his retarded-ass discussions, keeps justifying himself therein, and repeats the same insults.

That said, I think there's plenty of discussion without him on this board, and as long as Boob is around, there will always be enough unintentional comedy to keep this board strong. Ha!

[SJ Bronco]

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:Broncos:

I don't get the reason you posted this (I'm not always quick) but this is still one of the greatest scenes in movie history.

Peter- "What do we do now"

Egon starts fiddling with his equipment

Peter strikes it our of his hands quickly- "stop that"





"get her ray? That was you big plan?"

[sirhcyennek81]

I don't get the reason you posted this (I'm not always quick) but this is still one of the greatest scenes in movie history.

Peter- "What do we do now"

Egon starts fiddling with his equipment

Peter strikes it our of his hands quickly- "stop that"





"get her ray? That was you big plan?"



Something to break the tension? Also...its funny.

:Broncos:

[GreatBronco16]

I'm sure TJ is getting his moneys' worth out of the likes of Lex and Boob.

[SJ Bronco]

Sadly, that's still a saying on the internet. I've worked in the online content space for five years, and that's STILL the name of the game, though session length is a bigger part of things now.

And you're right: lex pulls people into his retarded-ass discussions, keeps justifying himself therein, and repeats the same insults.

That said, I think there's plenty of discussion without him on this board, and as long as Boob is around, there will always be enough unintentional comedy to keep this board strong. Ha!

Honestly though, i think Boob does it on purpose just because he likes being an ass. Lex actually BELIEVES his own ridiculous statements i think. The weird part. All this is prophetic cause I've already posted about 10 posts more than i intended on the subject already. !Booya!

[SJ Bronco]

Something to break the tension? Also...its funny.

:Broncos:

Is there really tension here? As annoying as some people around here are, it is still just a message board. I'd like to thin I could stop posting right now and wouldn't even notice. I'd like to think that anyway.:P

[broncocalijohn]

I'm sure TJ is getting his moneys' worth out of the likes of Lex and Boob.

has anyone thought that maybe TJ has some alter egos named Boob the Troll and Lex the Moron? He created these two characters (or hired Boob) to become the poster we all dislike and need to respond. How can he ban himself or his employee?

[Popps]

I cant speak for Blue but lex = Bob for TJ.

He brings discussion (retarded as it may be) and traffic to the board which is what TJ wants.

There used to be a saying on the internet, there is no such thing as bad traffic, but that mantra has altered in the last 7-8 years. There is bad traffic, and lex and bob bring it with them..

Lex and Bob are very different.

Taco has had to Ban Lex in the past, and I imagine unless he's going to rewrite his TOS and incur some risk for the site, he'll ban Lex for his current family attacks.

Lex has been banned on a few occasions for terms violations and crosses the line on a regular basis with people. He's a guy who's not mentally capable of staying in a discussion... so he crosses boundaries. Taco has already had one legal issue with this site, and the last thing he needs is someone tracking Lex down and beating him to death based on things said on this board.

Bob, on the other hand... is a harmless Chiefs fan. He IS the type of poster you want on the board if you own the place, like him or not. He's an idiot, but he brings football discussion and isn't looking (generally) to go to personal areas with people.


They're very different animals.

[Popps]

has anyone thought that maybe TJ has some alter egos named Boob the Troll and Lex the Moron? He created these two characters (or hired Boob) to become the poster we all dislike and need to respond. How can he ban himself or his employee?

:~ohyah!:

I'm sure Taco alter-egos, but he's not Lex. Even Taco couldn't reduce his intellect to such an extent to appear to be Lex.

[Pseudofool]

Other boards deal with trolls in creative ways to signal to newbies and casual observers not to take them seriously. For instance, some boards will give trolls a specific avatar and name-tag. For instance if under Lex's name it read: "Douchebag" or "malcontent" or "dumb****" or "forum troll" "contrarian," he might pose less of problem. In addition, this tag could be applied to few others who are only here to instigate arguments and inflate their own delusional egos. I've got lex on ignore for a reason, but I wasted a number of hours arguing with him before I learned my lesson, and I wished there was some way I could have known the Sisyphusian task I was undertaking in trying to reason with lex.

[Br0nc0Buster]

Other boards deal with trolls in creative ways to signal to newbies and casual observers not to take them seriously. For instance, some boards will give trolls a specific avatar and name-tag. For instance if under Lex's name it read: "Douchebag" or "malcontent" or "dumb****" or "forum troll" "contrarian," he might pose less of problem. In addition, this tag could be applied to few others who are only here to instigate arguments and inflate their own delusional egos. I've got lex on ignore for a reason, but I wasted a number of hours arguing with him before I learned my lesson, and I wished there was some way I could have known the Sisyphusian task I was undertaking in trying to reason with lex.

its ok, I think most of us have been "Lex'ed"
I remember the first discussion I had with him he immediately started making fun of where I am from sayings things like I live in a sod house and ride pigs to school, etc..

In hindsight it was prolly a good thing though as I realized he isnt actually interested in discussing football, didnt have to have multiple arguments to figure out what most had already known

[broncocalijohn]

So should Baja do a poll on who is worse, Broncofan7 or Lex? BTW, when does broncofan7 get to come back and tell us about all the beatches he bagged in his luxury car while on banned hiatus?

[sirhcyennek81]

So should Baja do a poll on who is worse, Broncofan7 or Lex? BTW, when does broncofan7 get to come back and tell us about all the beatches he bagged in his luxury car while on banned hiatus?


Broncowarrior is another one...mother****ing poser.


:Broncos:

[Pseudofool]

So should Baja do a poll on who is worse, Broncofan7 or Lex? BTW, when does broncofan7 get to come back and tell us about all the beatches he bagged in his luxury car while on banned hiatus?What finally led to bf7's vacation? I missed it, evidently.

[McDman]

Broncowarrior is another one...mother****ing poser.


:Broncos:

BW doesn't attack anyone though, he actually seems like he could be a nice guy, just a retard.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

What finally led to bf7's vacation? I missed it, evidently.

I missed it too, but I'll bet it was epic.

[lex]

Lex, Chicago got the talent this offseason. Denver traded it away. Remember?

I think youre referring to a comment that was made by someone else.

[lex]

I've said it before, and will forever say it: stats are for losers.
The only thing that counts in football is wins. Period. End of story.

The only fans who worry about stats, are fans of losing teams.

And I guess when your team is 4-7, stats are all you have to keep yourself busy and satisfied with during the season.

Here's a stat for you, Ron Turner, and Jay Cutler:

Denver - 7-4

Chicago - 4-7

7-4 > 4-7

Thats really interesting...extremely interesting. Now go tell someone else.

[lex]

we have a better defense and take less risks, which equal less yrds and points, but also fewer turnovers.

Also Broncos played a way tougher schedule then the Bears have. That probably accounts for some of what you are looking for.

Cutler by far the more dynamic of the 2 qbs but how many points do 20 int cost your defense? That's what makes Cutlers stats go out the window.

Orton and Cutler are hard to compare really. With Orton you would like a nice pocket, room for him to step up, quick throws that play to his strength which is accuracy and decision making.

With Cutler you want to move him around, get him making plays way downfield using his strength, which is his arm and mobility.

Problem is Cutler doesn't seem to be as good of a leader or as liked by his teammates. IMO that counts for a lot from your QB. IMO Griese had that same problem.

Thts a lot of tapdancing, Mr Bojangles. At the end of the day, Chicago is still scoring more points on 13 fewer yards per game...with less talent.

[Popps]

Thts a lot of tapdancing, Mr Bojangles. At the end of the day, Chicago is still scoring more points on 13 fewer yards per game...with less talent.

But, they had that massive upgrade in talent at the QB position.

No?

[lex]

Posting at 2am? Dude, it's time to grow up.

He's even a retard late at night. Shocking.

And youre still posting without saying anything. Shocking. The only thing that is need from you at this point in this thread is to answer the question that was put at your feet...that you brought on yourself. Take more time if you need to. Im guessing you really cant answer it though.

[lex]

But, they had that massive upgrade in talent at the QB position.

No?

According to you and and the other members of the angry women brigade, Denver is the one who had the upgrade at QB...so then, if Denver has a better O Line, RBs, and QB why is Chicago holding its own in comparison? All Im doing now is reposing the same question but I realize you have a hard time staying focused.

[chex]

Thats really interesting...extremely interesting. Now go tell someone else.

Don't have to. You're the only one that doesn't know.

[OABB]

According to you and and the other members of the angry women brigade, Denver is the one who had the upgrade at QB...so then, if Denver has a better O Line, RBs, and QB why is Chicago holding its own in comparison? All Im doing now is reposing the same question but I realize you have a hard time staying focused.

how is 4-7 holding it's own?

7-4 is pretty good, especially considering that our upgrade at qb was hurt for the two losses.

so we could be 9-2 if orton was healthy, or 8-3 would be the worse possible record.

So to answer your question.

That is why we are so much better than the bears.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Who's making a big deal out of scoring more points with few yards and still yielding a crappy record?

You must be a Suns or Knicks fan, too.

[Dedhed]

Dear Lex,

I couldn't help but notice you ignored my post explaining why the stats are skewed. You clearly don't actually want to talk football, but are merely a little attention skank. I didn't imagine otherwise.

[OABB]

Who's making a big deal out of scoring more points with few yards and still yielding a crappy record?

You must be a Suns or Knicks fan, too.

I know.

How stupid do you have to be to argue that a team that is 4-7 with the leading turnover machine at qb is holding it's own against a winning team because of comparable yard and point stats.

How can this person even frequent a football message board and draw up the courage to speak about footall?

god Lex sucks balls, that is all.

go back to arguing basketball lex, you are much better at it. Remember that Kobe can't hit a game winner thing? That was awesome.

[lex]

Dear Lex,

I couldn't help but notice you ignored my post explaining why the stats are skewed. You clearly don't actually want to talk football, but are merely a little attention skank. I didn't imagine otherwise.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2662333&postcount=178

Yeah, I didnt read it. Sorry. But here's my response to someone else. Let me know if your stuff is better than his and Ill read it.

[Dedhed]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2662333&postcount=178

Yeah, I didnt read it. Sorry. But here's my response to someone else. Let me know if your stuff is better than his and Ill read it.
Yeah, I should have known :thumbs:

BTW- What does the fact that the Bears have scored more points have to do with anything?

[OABB]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2662333&postcount=178

Yeah, I didnt read it. Sorry. But here's my response to someone else. Let me know if your stuff is better than his and Ill read it.

That link only proves what a douche you are.

Cuthemdown answered you clearly and well I might add.

Than you made a lame joke and ignored everything.

I wouldn't post that if I was trying to make a point if i was you.

[Dedhed]

That link only proves what a douche you are.

Cuthemdown answered you clearly and well I might add.

Than you made a lame joke and ignored everything.

I wouldn't post that if I was trying to make a point if i was you.

That's exactly what I should have known.

[Popps]

According to you and and the other members of the angry women brigade, Denver is the one who had the upgrade at QB...so then, if Denver has a better O Line, RBs, and QB why is Chicago holding its own in comparison? All Im doing now is reposing the same question but I realize you have a hard time staying focused.

Oh, wait... were we attacking children or talking football, Lex?

You're right. It's hard to decide which you want to do at any given moment. Are we back to football again until you're proven incorrect, and then the family attacks?

[bronco610]

I am begining to believe lex = bob.

[Circle Orange]

Just sayin'...

Thou art mad as a checkered rabbit, sir. :crazy:

[rastaman]

Dear Lex,

I couldn't help but notice you ignored my post explaining why the stats are skewed. You clearly don't actually want to talk football, but are merely a little attention skank. I didn't imagine otherwise.

Sure stats are skewed to a degree. But stats in the NFL is why fans watch games! Stats are the entertainment factor, Stats are why records are set and broken! The NFL owners realized that scoring and stats go-hand-n-hand keeping the fans idled brains occupied in the 21st century.

Stats sure are good for ratings and it sure helps to get the fans to buy tickets, pay for parking, and pay for alcohol and food.

Dam those fuuuucking Stats!!!!;)

[Hamrob]

According to you and and the other members of the angry women brigade, Denver is the one who had the upgrade at QB...so then, if Denver has a better O Line, RBs, and QB why is Chicago holding its own in comparison? All Im doing now is reposing the same question but I realize you have a hard time staying focused.Look, Cutler's gone. I think it was a huge ego move on McDaniels part. At this point it doesn't really matter. We are who we are and Orton is our QB for the time being. Whether we're happy about it or not. That being said.

For all you folks who said that we are so much better without Cutler. All you folks who complained that we didn't score enough points last year despite being the leagues #1 rated offense. That's right we had the #1 rated offense in the entire NFL last year. Well, Cutler has thrown 16 TD's to 20 Int's this year....but guess what?

His team has scored more points than our uber talented offense. You know the one with the All-World offensive line, the stud WR's and the elite running game. Take a peak. So, why is that?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/sort/totalPointsPerGame

[Broncos_OTM]

Lex

Josh Mcdaniels 7-4

Ron Turner 4-7

Steve Spagnolo has won one game.

You lose... seems you know alot about nothing

[OABB]

Look, Cutler's gone. I think it was a huge ego move on McDaniels part. At this point it doesn't really matter. We are who we are and Orton is our QB for the time being. Whether we're happy about it or not. That being said.

For all you folks who said that we are so much better without Cutler. All you folks who complained that we didn't score enough points last year despite being the leagues #1 rated offense. That's right we had the #1 rated offense in the entire NFL last year. Well, Cutler has thrown 16 TD's to 20 Int's this year....but guess what?

His team has scored more points than our uber talented offense. You know the one with the All-World offensive line, the stud WR's and the elite running game. Take a peak. So, why is that?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/sort/totalPointsPerGame

second in yards. 16th in scoring. yawn.

let's not go through this again anyways. This is beyond a dead horse.

We are winning because we have a winner at the qb position. that is the FACTS.

THE FACTS!

not theory, or conjecture, or hopes wants needs. but facts!

DEAL WITH IT FOR CHRIST SAKES!


Thank god Cutler is gone. Thank ****ing god.

[SJ Bronco]

second in yards. 16th in scoring. yawn.

let's not go through this again anyways. This is beyond a dead horse.

We are winning because we have a winner at the qb position. that is the FACTS.

THE FACTS!

not theory, or conjecture, or hopes wants needs. but facts!

DEAL WITH IT FOR CHRIST SAKES!


Thank god Cutler is gone. Thank ****ing god.

Wait! Cutler isn't God? Then WTF lex? Hilarious!

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

And youre still posting without saying anything. Shocking. The only thing that is need from you at this point in this thread is to answer the question that was put at your feet...that you brought on yourself. Take more time if you need to. Im guessing you really cant answer it though.

And what question is that, wise ass? We've spent several pages merely discussing what a clueless douchebag you are, so you'll excuse me if I missed "Lex's all important, must be answered question!".

Still waiting for you to get up off your knees. You've been owned on this thread. And just because you don't think so is not actually an excuse.

Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.

[SJ Bronco]

And what question is that, wise ass? We've spent several pages merely discussing what a clueless douchebag you are, so you'll excuse me if I missed "Lex's all important, must be answered question!".

Still waiting for you to get up off your knees. You've been owned on this thread. And just because you don't think so is not actually an excuse.

Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.

Damn, there go's my plan for the evening. Whats worse, there will be no eggs for breakfast tomorrow...

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

According to you and and the other members of the angry women brigade, Denver is the one who had the upgrade at QB...so then, if Denver has a better O Line, RBs, and QB why is Chicago holding its own in comparison? All Im doing now is reposing the same question but I realize you have a hard time staying focused.

Holding its own?

4-7?

Leading the league in picks?

How many of Cutler's yards and touchdowns came in garbage time in that blowout loss -- AT HOME -- to the Cardinals?

This will actually require some research on your part. I'm curious to see if you'll be able to find the right answer when you're up posting til 2am tonight.

Considering you're likely a night watchman at an office building, I'd say you probably have an abundance of time.

[Spider]

It is lex ......... talk out ass first , worry about backing it up later

[Hamrob]

second in yards. 16th in scoring. yawn.

let's not go through this again anyways. This is beyond a dead horse.

We are winning because we have a winner at the qb position. that is the FACTS.

THE FACTS!

not theory, or conjecture, or hopes wants needs. but facts!

DEAL WITH IT FOR CHRIST SAKES!


Thank god Cutler is gone. Thank ****ing god.That's great...so why have the Bears scored more points then the Broncos?

And...oh by the way...do yo think most teams in the NFL would pay more than a buck fifty for our winning QB?

Look...don't let the Cutler madness fool you. Kyle Orton is average. AVERAGE...you understand?

[SJ Bronco]

That's great...so why have the Bears scored more points then the Broncos?

And...oh by the way...do yo think most teams in the NFL would pay more than a buck fifty for our winning QB?

Look...don't let the Cutler madness fool you. Kyle Orton is average. AVERAGE...you understand?

Who cares? Until the off-season he's our QB, and at 7-4, I'm ok with his effort. I'll wait till the seasons over to start asking for someone else, or worry about weather or not we should bench him. I'd rather discuss what he CAN do for us.

[sirhcyennek81]

That's great...so why have the Bears scored more points then the Broncos?

And...oh by the way...do yo think most teams in the NFL would pay more than a buck fifty for our winning QB?

Look...don't let the Cutler madness fool you. Kyle Orton is average. AVERAGE...you understand?


But...with an average QB, we are 7-4 this season. Last year at this time with the all-world Cutler, we were 6-5.


:Broncos:

[Spider]

That's great...so why have the Bears scored more points then the Broncos?

And...oh by the way...do yo think most teams in the NFL would pay more than a buck fifty for our winning QB?

Look...don't let the Cutler madness fool you. Kyle Orton is average. AVERAGE...you understand?

More crazy people ........ Dr Phil would have a ball in this place

[Spider]

LOL , u know decision making is a huge part of what makes a QB average or above average ..

[Hamrob]

But...with an average QB, we are 7-4 this season. Last year at this time with the all-world Cutler, we were 6-5.


:Broncos:Come on man...any idiot would know that the reason this team is better than last year....is because all of a sudden we have an o.k. defense. Don't be an idiot!

[Hamrob]

More crazy people ........ Dr Phil would have a ball in this placeHa Ha. Say hi to Dr. Phil for me. You're probably watching him right now....or are you eating a hogie watching your tivo of past Oparah episodes? Yeah...you're swift all right!

[Hamrob]

Who cares? Until the off-season he's our QB, and at 7-4, I'm ok with his effort. I'll wait till the seasons over to start asking for someone else, or worry about weather or not we should bench him. I'd rather discuss what he CAN do for us.Why don't you read where my posts originated. I fully support Orton...because he is our QB. I'm just not one of those flakes who think he's something more than he is. He's an average QB.

[OABB]

That's great...so why have the Bears scored more points then the Broncos?

And...oh by the way...do yo think most teams in the NFL would pay more than a buck fifty for our winning QB?

Look...don't let the Cutler madness fool you. Kyle Orton is average. AVERAGE...you understand?

Are you serious?

If you are, average is something for you to look up to.

[Bronco Bob]

Just sayin'...

Let's see, Ron Turner, 4-7. Josh McDaniels 7-4. At this point in time I'd say no.

[Bronco Bob]

That's great...so why have the Bears scored more points then the Broncos?



Oh wow, huge difference, 216 points vs 196 points. That's what
one touchdown and a missed field goal difference. And for those
10 extra points Chicago gave up the next two first round picks.

[lex]

Oh wow, huge difference, 216 points vs 196 points. That's what
one touchdown and a missed field goal difference. And for those
10 extra points Chicago gave up the next two first round picks.

If Denver has a better O Line, better RBs, and a better QB (as many here assert), why then is Chicago scoring more than Denver at all...add to that the fact that Chicago is outscoring Denver even with all the turnovers? No one has answered these questions yet.

I guess King Arthurs dead...at the very least I know Poops and MooseGuy arent the chose one.

[OABB]

If Denver has a better O Line, better RBs, and a better QB (as many here assert), why then is Chicago scoring more than Denver at all...add to that the fact that Chicago is outscoring Denver even with all the turnovers? No one has answered these questions yet.

I guess King Arthurs dead...at the very least I know Poops and MooseGuy arent the chose one.

Because we haven't scored as much as the bears.

[ZONA]

http://members.cox.net/azhelton/Broncos/lex%20troll.jpg

[Popps]

I guess King Arthurs dead...at the very least I know Poops and MooseGuy arent the chose one.

O.K., Mock.

Feel free to mix in some English from time to time.

[sirhcyennek81]

Come on man...any idiot would know that the reason this team is better than last year....is because all of a sudden we have an o.k. defense. Don't be an idiot!


Except the average QB has this wierd little tendency to win a majority of the games he plays...


:Broncos:

[sirhcyennek81]

If Denver has a better O Line, better RBs, and a better QB (as many here assert), why then is Chicago scoring more than Denver at all...add to that the fact that Chicago is outscoring Denver even with all the turnovers? No one has answered these questions yet.

I guess King Arthurs dead...at the very least I know Poops and MooseGuy arent the chose one.


20 more points? You are basing whatever point you are trying to make on a 20 point difference? Jay was supposedly going to a more fundementally sound team with a better defense and a better running game. Jay took his three cockring act to Chicago, leads the league in turnovers and you want to make the asinine point that the Bears average 2 more points a game then the Broncos...who gives a ****? They have 3 fewer wins becase of Jay's redzone turnovers.


:Broncos:

[LongDongJohnson]

Chicago has a 48 point game against the lions this year which greatly inflates the scoring stats. they also had a 30 pointer against the browns.

look at how much they scored in their losses.

15, 14, 10, 21, 6, 20, 10. also 14 of those points came in garbage time when the bears were losing 34-7.

so their offense looks like a machine against a 1 win and a 2 win team and overall scored a little bit more then us. big deal. id still take our offense over theirs. our offense would have a lot more points if we didnt settle for field goals all of the time. we could have easily had 35+ points against the giants, browns, and raiders. our redzone problems will improve in time. our system is new in denver while the bears have been running the same crap for years.

but for real id take orton and his 3 points over an interception in the endzone anytime. its not about running up the score winning 48-20. a 26-6 win is just as good.

[Hulamau]

If Denver has a better O Line, better RBs, and a better QB (as many here assert), why then is Chicago scoring more than Denver at all...add to that the fact that Chicago is outscoring Denver even with all the turnovers? No one has answered these questions yet.

I guess King Arthurs dead...at the very least I know Poops and MooseGuy arent the chose one.

Easy Lex, check the schedule .. They played Detroit once already ... nuff said. :twokisses

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Easy Lex, check the schedule .. They played Detroit once already ... nuff said. :twokisses

And were getting blown out at home against Arizona when Cutler "made it close" by getting garbage time points and yards.

Lex thinks he deserves a medal for his hardship.

[Spider]

Ha Ha. Say hi to Dr. Phil for me. You're probably watching him right now....or are you eating a hogie watching your tivo of past Oparah episodes? Yeah...you're swift all right!
LOL you idiot ........ most here know me , ask them ...........

[Spider]

http://members.cox.net/azhelton/broncos/lex%20troll.jpg

lmao ..............

[lex]

20 more points? You are basing whatever point you are trying to make on a 20 point difference? Jay was supposedly going to a more fundementally sound team with a better defense and a better running game. Jay took his three cockring act to Chicago, leads the league in turnovers and you want to make the asinine point that the Bears average 2 more points a game then the Broncos...who gives a ****? They have 3 fewer wins becase of Jay's redzone turnovers.


:Broncos:

This attempt at making a point has been addressed previously. Revisit the thread.

[lex]

Easy Lex, check the schedule .. They played Detroit once already ... nuff said. :twokisses

We havent played Oakland and Cleveland?

[lex]

http://members.cox.net/azhelton/Broncos/lex%20troll.jpg

Not in this case. That title belongs to Popps. He was the one who dug up this thread...only to see it blow up in his face.

[vancejohnson82]

Not in this case. That title belongs to Popps. He was the one who dug up this thread...only to see it blow up in his face.

I have absolutely NO clue how you think any of your points are valid in this thread....seriously, i'm not trying to pile on here because Lord knows everyone is doing that to you right now, but REALLY??

are you hanging your hat on the fact that the Bears offense has scored 20 more points than ours???

Signed,

Utterly Confused Individual

[lex]

I have absolutely NO clue how you think any of your points are valid in this thread....seriously, i'm not trying to pile on here because Lord knows everyone is doing that to you right now, but REALLY??

are you hanging your hat on the fact that the Bears offense has scored 20 more points than ours???

Signed,

Utterly Confused Individual

You answered your own question.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Just sayin'...

Wow, when you present such a compelling argument it's very difficult for me to not be swayed.

Continue, I might be interested in some slightly used paint from China as well......

[vancejohnson82]

You answered your own question.

For your sake, Rasta has seemingly wrestled the "Worst Poster" title away from you..

but your posts and arguments are still trash

[watermock]

I think I miss the Goodmans more than Shanny.

We had ALOT of picks on the first day.

Moreno had a good day against the Giants, but he doesn't have ANY speed to waste.

Buck is still just as fast after several knee issues.

I'm more dissapointed in what could of been a great class, and moving our 2nd first in a much deeper draft.

Anyway, Orton has played well, no doubt Josh can coach him up and would of had trouble with Jay anyway.

Good thing 3 of 5 are against poor teams.

Watching No/NE, I'm convinced Josh had some of Brady's tendencies down.

I also give some credit to Josh for the defense, altho, the moves for Law and Booger are odd.

The big surprise is Neckbeard.

[TonyR]

We havent played Oakland and Cleveland?

Per Sagarin, Chi has played the 18th most difficult schedule while Den has played the 9th most.

But as usual you're changing the argument because you've clearly lost the original one. The thread title is "Ron Turner > Josh McDaniels". There is absolutely no evidence to support this. McD is the head coach of a rebuilding 7-4 team which gutted it's roster over the offseason. Ron Turner is the OC of a team that was supposedly a franchise QB away from being a contender. This is really all very simple: you're wrong. Admit it and move on. Or just move on. Either way, really.

[lex]

Per Sagarin, Chi has played the 18th most difficult schedule while Den has played the 9th most.

OK, and...? Its still way too close considering Denver has a better OLine, RBs, and QB (according to many of you yahoos). 9/18 doesnt explain away fewer and more only 13 more yards per game...and again, thats even with Chicagos turnovers.

But as usual you're changing the argument because you've clearly lost the original one. The thread title is "Ron Turner > Josh McDaniels". There is absolutely no evidence to support this. McD is the head coach of a rebuilding 7-4 team which gutted it's roster over the offseason. Ron Turner is the OC of a team that was supposedly a franchise QB away from being a contender. This is really all very simple: you're wrong. Admit it and move on. Or just move on. Either way, really.

The numbers support this. In case you missed it, I posted a link to the two teams offensive statistics. Theyre there in black and white and you cant wish them away as much as you may want to try. Its an argument that makes itself and none of you knuckleheads have successfully explained it away yet. And since Turner is not in a position to get credit for what the Bears defense does, this comparison is obviously focused on offense. For most people with faculty, that goes without saying...yet here you are againg, the last to figure it out. And regarding your point about McDaniels rebuilding...its not on offense...they have the same offensive line which gave up almost no sacks last year, an upgrade at RB, and, again, according to many of your, an upgrade at QB to go along with the same two highly productive WRs from last year. Where is the rebuild when it comes to the offense?



In bold.

Nice try but its yet another swing and a miss.

[lex]

For your sake, Rasta has seemingly wrestled the "Worst Poster" title away from you..

but your posts and arguments are still trash
It really hurts my feelings to see you say this.

[lex]

Wow, when you present such a compelling argument it's very difficult for me to not be swayed.

Continue, I might be interested in some slightly used paint from China as well......

Used paint in China...got it...hilarious.

FWIW, Ive made more than one post in this thread. Certainly, youre smart enough to figure this out.

[Popps]

Per Sagarin, Chi has played the 18th most difficult schedule while Den has played the 9th most.

But as usual you're changing the argument because you've clearly lost the original one. .

How else is he supposed to bring attention to himself?

[lex]

Per Sagarin, Chi has played the 18th most difficult schedule while Den has played the 9th most.

But as usual you're changing the argument because you've clearly lost the original one. The thread title is "Ron Turner > Josh McDaniels". There is absolutely no evidence to support this. McD is the head coach of a rebuilding 7-4 team which gutted it's roster over the offseason. Ron Turner is the OC of a team that was supposedly a franchise QB away from being a contender. This is really all very simple: you're wrong. Admit it and move on. Or just move on. Either way, really.

Here is how the two teams have fared against commong opponents (Pts in left column, Yards in right):



Denver Chicago
10 242 Pittsburgh 17 275
Philadelphia 20 284
12 302 Cincinnati 10 279
7 200 Baltimore
27 449 Cleveland 30 369
Ttl 56 1193 77 1207
Avg 14.00 298.25 19.25 301.75

[lex]

How else is he supposed to bring attention to himself?

Still dont have an answer, eh? Thats what I thought.

[TonyR]

lex said: OK, and...? Its still way too close considering Denver has a better OLine, RBs, and QB (according to many of you yahoos). 9/18 doesnt explain away fewer and more only 13 more yards per game...and again, thats even with Chicagos turnovers.

Orton played injured the first few weeks of the season. You may recall the bad finger injury.
Orton missed the 2nd half of the Redskins game, missed the start of the 2nd Chargers game, and played the rest on a bad ankle.
Harris has missed 4 games.
Kuper missed some time.
The offense is playing in a different system than last year.
Denver has probably played better defenses overall.
Most importantly, it's not about statistics. It's about winning. Denver has 3 more wins than Chicago.

lex, Ron Turner will not be employed by the Chicago Bears next season. Josh McDaniels will be employed by the Denver Broncos next year. Turner has done a terrible job with Cutler and Forte. I'm not sure why you can't see this.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Orton played injured the first few weeks of the season. You may recall the bad finger injury.
Orton missed the 2nd half of the Redskins game, missed the start of the 2nd Chargers game, and played the rest on a bad ankle.
Harris has missed 4 games.
Kuper missed some time.
The offense is playing in a different system than last year.
Denver has probably played better defenses overall.
Most importantly, it's not about statistics. It's about winning. Denver has 3 more wins than Chicago.

lex, Ron Turner will not be employed by the Chicago Bears next season. Josh McDaniels will be employed by the Denver Broncos next year. Turner has done a terrible job with Cutler and Forte. I'm not sure why you can't see this.

He can. But he likes to think he's this guy:

http://i.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/2250194/george-w-bush-main_Full.jpg

[Popps]

Still dont have an answer, eh? Thats what I thought.

To what, you attacking a toddler on a message board or an answer for your lonely existence?


You've been destroyed on this thread by 15 different people. Why would I try to educate you on football when you'll just continue your "Earth is Flat" campaign?


You just keep bucking for attention. Hopefully it'll fill the very obvious void in your life.

[lex]

To what, you attacking a toddler on a message board or an answer for your lonely existence?


You've been destroyed on this thread by 15 different people. Why would I try to educate you on football when you'll just continue your "Earth is Flat" campaign?


You just keep bucking for attention. Hopefully it'll fill the very obvious void in your life.

Earth is flat..thats about the equivalent of saying I attacked your kids. I guess thas where you come up with this stuff...it really applies to you. Ha!

[lex]

Orton played injured the first few weeks of the season. You may recall the bad finger injury.
Orton missed the 2nd half of the Redskins game, missed the start of the 2nd Chargers game, and played the rest on a bad ankle.
Harris has missed 4 games.
Kuper missed some time.
The offense is playing in a different system than last year.
Denver has probably played better defenses overall.
Most importantly, it's not about statistics. It's about winning. Denver has 3 more wins than Chicago.

Wow, thats some epic excuse making. And to think some of you wisecrack on people making excuses for Cutler. How long do you get to use the "its a new system" excuse as a shield? Thats also an interesting argument because its basically admitting that were it not for the handiwerk of Nolan, McDaniels was willing to write off the season for the sake of a new system. Too bad much of this falls apart due to the fact that even when plugging in an occasional guy on the OL, Denvers OL is still probably better than Chicago's. BTW, I like how you refer to Sagarin but when you drill down into common opponents and see how flimsy it is, you go in the opposite direction and start rattling off every injury.


lex, Ron Turner will not be employed by the Chicago Bears next season. Josh McDaniels will be employed by the Denver Broncos next year. Turner has done a terrible job with Cutler and Forte. I'm not sure why you can't see this.

Pointing this out isnt making much of an argument for McDaniel's offense so far.




In bold.

[BroncoInferno]

Still dont have an answer, eh? Thats what I thought.

You argument was "Ron Turner>Josh McDaniels." You did not specify in the OP that this was restricted only to offense. Since McDaniels is the head coach of a 7-4 playoff contender, and Ron Turner is likely going to be out of a job in a couple of months, the "answer" is obvious: you've made a complete fool of yourself (again).

[TonyR]

In bold.

I don't need excuses. The rebuilding Broncos turned out to be a better team than the contender Bears and their all world, franchise QB. I'm not the one who's been contending since well before the season that Pat Bowlen and Josh McDaniels ruined the franchise. You are. What's your excuse? Why have you never answered for your stupidity? You were wrong with your "we're doomed" narrative and overall negativity. I was right to give the new regime time to put together a football team. lex, again, how do you answer for being so wrong? And continuing with the embarassing charade that you're not?

[lex]

I don't need excuses. The rebuilding Broncos turned out to be a better team than the contender Bears and their all world, franchise QB. I'm not the one who's been contending since well before the season that Pat Bowlen and Josh McDaniels ruined the franchise. You are. What's your excuse? Why have you never answered for your stupidity? You were wrong with your "we're doomed" narrative and overall negativity. I was right to give the new regime time to put together a football team. lex, again, how do you answer for being so wrong? And continuing with the embarassing charade that you're not?

Sorry but when you talk about people missing a half of a game 11 games into the season, excuse making is precisely what that is.

Also, you keep trying to shoehorn in stuff thats not relevant to the topic no matter how much you may wish it so. You still havent explained away the numbers related to the common opponents. Nor have you really explained away anything else really. Let me say again, that Chicago is scoring more in spite of the turnovers and in spite of not having a OL, RBs, and QB (allegedly) on par with what Denver has. Let me also say that Poops invited this kind of scrutiny by bumping this thread. If you have a problem with what the numbers say, dont blame me...Poops is your guy.

[baja]

According to you and and the other members of the angry women brigade, Denver is the one who had the upgrade at QB...so then, if Denver has a better O Line, RBs, and QB why is Chicago holding its own in comparison? All Im doing now is reposing the same question but I realize you have a hard time staying focused.

check the collective defensive rankings of the Bears opponents then check the defensive rankings of our Bronco's foes.

[TonyR]

You still havent explained away the numbers related to the common opponents. Nor have you really explained away anything else really. Let me say again, that Chicago is scoring more in spite of the turnovers and in spite of not having a OL, RBs, and QB (allegedly) on par with what Denver has. Let me also say that Poops invited this kind of scrutiny by bumping this thread.

You're hilarious. How can I provide "explanations" when you'll just label them "excuses"? If I add that Denver plays a more conservative style of offense will that make you happy? How about if I add that Denver has faced less prevent defense because it's played from behind late in games less than Chicago has? These types of explanations are clearly beyond your intellectual capacity and understanding of football so perhaps I shouldn't bother.

As far as Chicagos OL, RBs, and QB, how are those not "excuses"? Before the season when you were crowning the Bears these weren't deemed to be problem areas, but now they are? Wasn't Matt Forte a pretty damn good RB last season? Wasn't Cutler supposed to make him that much better? How has that worked out?

And Popps didn't invite scrutiny by bumping this thread. You did by creating it! How obtuse can a person possibly be? And who's getting more "scrutiny" here, lex, you or Popps? The only one scrutinizing Popps is you! Everyone else is pointing out what an idiot you are!

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

oh just let the jay cutler what ifs die for the love of god . do other fan site forums act like this?