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rastaman
08-29-2009, 11:26 AM
Here's what hasn't been considered yet! Which is a more demanding need of importance for Marshall at this stage. Does Brandon want to remain Denver or does he want to be traded, irregardless of how much money the Broncos do offer him? Has it gotten to the point on both sides that irreparable damage has been done in the eyes of management and Marshall?

When I listen to the Marshall haters debating what should done to Marshall b/c he had the nerve to challenge and the owner, management, and pro-management fan base for compensation, a raise, or a new contract due to his production in seasons 07 and 08. What has ensued since then, has been to hold Brandon's legal problems over his head as a reason not to pay him the money owed for past performances.

The hypocrisy of it all, was that the Brandon haters and the Broncos FO did not suspend him in 07 & 08 for his legal problems......they only wanted to see PRODUCTION and ENTERTAINMENT out of him! Boy the fans and Bowlen really showed a lot class--didn't they. So long as Bmarsh was catching 100 plus receptions, racking up YAC, and requiring at least two or three tacklers to bring him down; all you Marshall haters were as happy as pigs rooting over left overs. The fans didn't care not one IOTA, they only cared about "Their Entertainment value and SB aspirations/chances on Any Given Sunday, bragging rights at the office, and living their fantasies thru Brandon Marshall.

Besides We Are Only Paying Him 4th round money! Lets ignore his legal problems for now. We can always have a come to Jesus moment once he demands to be paid as a Top 5 WR. Then we can nail him with his legal problems past, present and FUTURE!! Hell to add icing to the cake in paying Brandon we can even bring up its his fault D-Will was murdered.

The arrogance, ignorance and hypocrisies are endless and classless. Brandon has earned the estimated 5 millon dollar in bonuses for his 07 and 08 performances. And his acquittal in the Atlanta courts and his non-suspension from the league as a result of his acquitta,l should mandated that Bowlen pay Marshall for his 07 & 08 seasons.

However, rather than own up to this fact, Bowlen, the FO, and McDaniel's have elected to partake in mind games and moving the "Goal Post" around....All in the name of teaching Marshall the retribution and revenge that can be brought to bare on Who's Boss!!

kamakazi_kal
08-29-2009, 11:28 AM
that is one way to look at it.

PaintballCLE
08-29-2009, 11:30 AM
wow, go smoke some more ganja.....

cutthemdown
08-29-2009, 11:38 AM
nope I was critical of Marshall for a long time. I said many times this players personality is worrisome.

As far as your theory he's getting 4th round money so why should he play well is pretty stupid.

Players come from all over the draft board. Since when does a player give back his money if he doesn't perform well? The fact is fans support a players goal to get more money. I say get as much as you can. Also its not my money so what do I really care if owner spends it.

The thing with Marshall is he has red flags. Why can't you understand the team likes the idea of making him play well, then be RFA. Broncos can sign, sign and trade, or tender and get picks for him. That is the smart move. If a new CBA is signed, then hopefully it has better protections against players getting suspended and getting money back. Then he would be a FA and we could either tag him or let him walk.

Sorry but I don't feel sorry for Marshall. He's making a millions, he's only a yr away from a big payday.

Why not just play for the payday? sounds to me like maybe Marshall feels his hip can't get it done. Or he feels that Cutler was his ticket to big yrds and winning not really what matters to him. He could only care about money and his own stats.

He's very un EdmcCaffery.

Dedhed
08-29-2009, 11:43 AM
I stopped at irregardless.

barryr
08-29-2009, 11:45 AM
Of course the difference is now the team has to choose to give him more money, which at this point, seems extremely stupid to give to a guy who has yet to show he has the maturity of even a 10 year old.

DenverBrit
08-29-2009, 11:47 AM
This thread is worthless without music:

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kamakazi_kal
08-29-2009, 11:47 AM
ha ha wait till tsiguy and Popps read this ..... its gonna be two monkeys ****in a football

click my heals and wish for week 1

week 1 ....week 1 ....week 1 ....week 1 ....week 1 ....week 1 ....week 1 ....

dbfan4life
08-29-2009, 11:51 AM
So rasta, what happens when we give him big money and we lose him for half the seaoson because of another legal incident? Brandon is a true talent on the field and a bordeline nutcase off of it. His performane on the field absolutley calls for big money. His behavior off of it just as certainly does not. Broncos need to look out for the better of the team.

tsiguy96
08-29-2009, 11:53 AM
anything else youd like to blame on the coach of the team that you supposedly like....you know the economy is bad, thats prolly his fault. hes prolly gonna cause world war 3. video games are expensive, his fault.

Popps
08-29-2009, 11:53 AM
I stopped at irregardless.

:rofl:

Popps
08-29-2009, 11:54 AM
ha ha wait till tsiguy and Popps read this ..... its gonna be two monkeys ****in a football

click my heals and wish for week 1

week 1 ....week 1 ....week 1 ....week 1 ....week 1 ....week 1 ....week 1 ....

Look bitch, I can't help it you're afraid of your own shadow.

TheReverend
08-29-2009, 11:57 AM
anything else youd like to blame on the coach of the team that you supposedly like....you know the economy is bad, thats prolly his fault. hes prolly gonna cause world war 3. video games are expensive, his fault.

They've been the same price for about 20 years...

kamakazi_kal
08-29-2009, 12:11 PM
Look b****, I can't help it you're afraid of your own shadow.

take your blood pressure medication champ..... for once I agree with how you would view this thread.

kamakazi_kal
08-29-2009, 12:12 PM
They've been the same price for about 20 years...

Theirs almost nothing worse then when you buy a crappy video game.

tsiguy96
08-29-2009, 12:14 PM
They've been the same price for about 20 years...

just about the time mcd hit puberty. hes been wreaking havoc since birth i tell you.

BroncoBuff
08-29-2009, 12:16 PM
ha ha wait till tsiguy and Popps read this ..... its gonna be two monkeys ****in a football

click my heals and wish for week 1

week 1 ....week 1 ....week 1 ....week 1 ....week 1 ....week 1 ....week 1 ....

rep every word ........ :~ohyah!:

I was pro-Marshall until that video. Now, even if Shanahan did promise him, he's gotta keep his head down and get to work. If he does, we'll have the best 1-2 WR combo in the league, and B-Marsh will get rich.

BroncoBuff
08-29-2009, 12:19 PM
Look b****, I can't help it you're afraid of your own shadow.
You do realize there is a course of treatment for your manic insecurity? Maybe start with group therapy.

In the meantime, try to avoid the triggers that provoke you acting out. Maybe stay away from scary concepts and frightening threads until you've had a chance to deal with your issues effectively ... then slowly come back into these threads, and try to contribute in a productive and respectful manner.


And for now ... maybe give the asterisk key a rest, huh?

ant1999e
08-29-2009, 12:22 PM
What has ensued since then, has been to hold Brandon's legal problems over his head as a reason not to pay him the money owed for past performances.

They are holding the contract he signed over his head. That is the only money he is owed. WTF is so hard to understand about that?

DenverBrit
08-29-2009, 12:22 PM
rep every word ........ :~ohyah!:



Click my heals? Ha!

ant1999e
08-29-2009, 12:25 PM
Theirs almost nothing worse then when you buy a crappy video game.

You can always sell it back to Gamestop for $10.:~ohyah!:

DenverBrit
08-29-2009, 12:26 PM
The arrogance, ignorance and hypocrisies are endless and classless. Brandon has earned the estimated 5 millon dollar in bonuses for his 07 and 08 performances.

Where is this coming from? ???

rastaman
08-29-2009, 12:56 PM
So rasta, what happens when we give him big money and we lose him for half the seaoson because of another legal incident? Brandon is a true talent on the field and a bordeline nutcase off of it. His performane on the field absolutley calls for big money. His behavior off of it just as certainly does not. Broncos need to look out for the better of the team.

Thats not the issue. What you are ignoring is the fact that in 07 & 08 Denver did not loose Bmarsh to any suspensions due to legal problems. Brandon out performed his contract during those two seasons and should have been compensated fairly. The fact that he was acquitted two weeks ago......further shows Bowlen has no excuses not pay him an estimated 5 millon in bonuses for his production in 07 & 08!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-29-2009, 01:06 PM
I don't read posts of people who use the word "irregardless."

TonyR
08-29-2009, 01:13 PM
...Bowlen has no excuses not pay him...

He doesn't need any excuses.

rastaman
08-29-2009, 01:29 PM
They are holding the contract he signed over his head. That is the only money he is owed. WTF is so hard to understand about that?

Point well taken. However, we can all agree he out played his contract as a 4th rnd draft pick in 07 & 08. And teams do recompensate players should they out perform their contracts. Brandon showed what he can do performance wise in 07 & 08 and the Broncos have decided to play hard ball contract agreement enforcement. Cool, thats their perogative.

However, Brandon has every right in 09, 10, and 11 to continue to play--perform at at a 4th round draft pick until his contract runs or the franchise tags run out. The Broncos can't expect first rnd pick/top 10 WR production out of Brandon while continuing to pay him 4th rnd pick money, while lying like the Devil to pay Brandon as one of the top WR's in the NFL.

The Broncos can't very well demand a 1st and 4th for Brandon if he's performing as a 4th round draft pick b/c thats how he's being paid!d If he's playing like a 4th round draft pick, he probably won't be the starting WR.....so once again how can Denver demand a 1st and 4th for Brandon Marshall.

Bowlen and McDaniel's can't "Suspend" Brandon w/o pay for performing like a 4th round draft choice! So Brandon still gets paid his 2.2 million dollars for 09. Then should Denver tag him in 010 as an RFA with the max salary of $2.7 million, no big deal b/c that's still 4th round pick money, so in 2010, Brandon continues to play as a 4th round pick, thus continuing to sit the bench and collecting his 2.7 million salary.

So if Brandon is smart this how he should play out the next 3 years in Denver. If Bowlen is dumb enough to demand a 1st and 4th for trading Brandon, Brandon should be coy enough to play along while performing as a 4th round draft pick type talent.

rastaman
08-29-2009, 01:30 PM
wow, go smoke some more ganja.....

I will if you continue doing "Lines of Coke"! :wiggle:

rastaman
08-29-2009, 01:32 PM
Of course the difference is now the team has to choose to give him more money, which at this point, seems extremely stupid to give to a guy who has yet to show he has the maturity of even a 10 year old.

Nope! Denver only needs to compensate Brandon for his production and performance in 07 & 08.;)

rastaman
08-29-2009, 01:33 PM
I don't read posts of people who use the word "irregardless."

Nice excuse.;D

rastaman
08-29-2009, 01:37 PM
He doesn't need any excuses.

Oh well we all know Bowlen and McDaniels ain't GOD and they ain't NFL caliber athletes, but they can show who's Boss and Brandon can still play below his 07 & 08 production and still get paid and not suspended.....correct!:sunshine:

Northman
08-29-2009, 01:41 PM
Here's what hasn't been considered yet! Which is a more demanding need of importance for Marshall at this stage. Does Brandon want to remain Denver or does he want to be traded, irregardless of how much money the Broncos do offer him? Has it gotten to the point on both sides that irreparable damage has been done in the eyes of management and Marshall?

When I listen to the Marshall haters debating what should done to Marshall b/c he had the nerve to challenge and the owner, management, and pro-management fan base for compensation, a raise, or a new contract due to his production in seasons 07 and 08. What has ensued since then, has been to hold Brandon's legal problems over his head as a reason not to pay him the money owed for past performances.

The hypocrisy of it all, was that the Brandon haters and the Broncos FO did not suspend him in 07 & 08 for his legal problems......they only wanted to see PRODUCTION and ENTERTAINMENT out of him! Boy the fans and Bowlen really showed a lot class--didn't they. So long as Bmarsh was catching 100 plus receptions, racking up YAC, and requiring at least two or three tacklers to bring him down; all you Marshall haters were as happy as pigs rooting over left overs. The fans didn't care not one IOTA, they only cared about "Their Entertainment value and SB aspirations/chances on Any Given Sunday, bragging rights at the office, and living their fantasies thru Brandon Marshall.

Besides We Are Only Paying Him 4th round money! Lets ignore his legal problems for now. We can always have a come to Jesus moment once he demands to be paid as a Top 5 WR. Then we can nail him with his legal problems past, present and FUTURE!! Hell to add icing to the cake in paying Brandon we can even bring up its his fault D-Will was murdered.

The arrogance, ignorance and hypocrisies are endless and classless. Brandon has earned the estimated 5 millon dollar in bonuses for his 07 and 08 performances. And his acquittal in the Atlanta courts and his non-suspension from the league as a result of his acquitta,l should mandated that Bowlen pay Marshall for his 07 & 08 seasons.

However, rather than own up to this fact, Bowlen, the FO, and McDaniel's have elected to partake in mind games and moving the "Goal Post" around....All in the name of teaching Marshall the retribution and revenge that can be brought to bare on Who's Boss!!


My Gosh! Your Right!

Maybe Brandon should throw a temper tantrum on the field during practice! That would sure show the management he means serious business! And his teammates would totally support him becoming a dip**** on the field. You nailed it on the head genius!

mizzoutigers
08-29-2009, 01:43 PM
if this was brandon stokely or tony scheffler, rastaman could care less what happens to them.

Northman
08-29-2009, 01:47 PM
Point well taken. However, we can all agree he out played his contract as a 4th rnd draft pick in 07 & 08. And teams do recompensate players should they out perform their contracts. Brandon showed what he can do performance wise in 07 & 08 and the Broncos have decided to play hard ball contract agreement enforcement. Cool, thats their perogative.

However, Brandon has every right in 09, 10, and 11 to continue to play--perform at at a 4th round draft pick until his contract runs or the franchise tags run out. The Broncos can't expect first rnd pick/top 10 WR production out of Brandon while continuing to pay him 4th rnd pick money, while lying like the Devil to pay Brandon as one of the top WR's in the NFL.

The Broncos can't very well demand a 1st and 4th for Brandon if he's performing as a 4th round draft pick b/c thats how he's being paid!d If he's playing like a 4th round draft pick, he probably won't be the starting WR.....so once again how can Denver demand a 1st and 4th for Brandon Marshall.

Bowlen and McDaniel's can't "Suspend" Brandon w/o pay for performing like a 4th round draft choice! So Brandon still gets paid his 2.2 million dollars for 09. Then should Denver tag him in 010 as an RFA with the max salary of $2.7 million, no big deal b/c that's still 4th round pick money, so in 2010, Brandon continues to play as a 4th round pick, thus continuing to sit the bench and collecting his 2.7 million salary.

So if Brandon is smart this how he should play out the next 3 years in Denver. If Bowlen is dumb enough to demand a 1st and 4th for trading Brandon, Brandon should be coy enough to play along while performing as a 4th round draft pick type talent.


Answer me this. Why was Brandon a 4th round pick? The idea was that Marshall had a lot of talent and most likely would of been a first or second round pick only there was something they didnt like about him but i cant seem to put my finger on it. Hmmmm.

Bottom line, Marshall is a top tier WR but is not due any raise because his off the field issues still concern management. There is only one person to blame for those incidents, Brandon Marshall. When you finally pull you head out of your ass and come to grips with that reality only then will you truly understand.

rastaman
08-29-2009, 01:52 PM
My Gosh! Your Right!

Maybe Brandon should throw a temper tantrum on the field during practice! That would sure show the management he means serious business! And his teammates would totally support him becoming a dip**** on the field. You nailed it on the head genius!

Comeback and talk should Brandon decides to play like a 4th round draft pick! Boy imagine the biatching and moaning from the Bmarsh Haters then. What's McDaniel's excuse going to be then? Can't suspend a player who's playing like a 4th rounder, after all that player is only playing up to level he's being paid!!

The nerve of Brandon to play at the draft pick he's being paid! The nerve of that MFer! Doesn't Brandon know he's our 2.2 million dollar entertainment monkey for us romanistic gladiator fans :sunshine:

How the hell are we going to get a 1st and 4th compensation in trade for Brandon if he's only playing like a 4th round drafted WR???

Northman
08-29-2009, 01:55 PM
Comeback and talk should Brandon decides to play like a 4th round draft pick! Boy imagine the biatching and moaning from the Bmarsh Haters then. What's McDaniel's excuse going to be then? Can't suspend a player who's playing like a 4th rounder, after all that player is only playing up to level he's being paid!!

The nerve of Brandon to play at the draft pick he's being paid! The nerve of that MFer! Doesn't Brandon know he's our 2.2 million dollar entertainment monkey for us romanistic gladiator fans :sunshine:

How the hell are we going to get a 1st and 4th compensation in trade for Brandon if he's only playing like a 4th round drafted WR???


God forbid Brandon be accountable for putting himself in that position to begin with.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-29-2009, 01:55 PM
Answer this: Why can't Marshall play out his existing contract? The one HE signed with HIS name for FOURTH ROUND MONEY? Why can't he realize that it was HIS fault he wasn't drafted earlier? Why can't you realize the same?

Why can't he play ONE more season under this contract, THEN renegotiate? It happens every single day in the real world, especially when someone can't keep out of trouble off the field.

Why are you so freakin' stupid?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-29-2009, 01:56 PM
god forbid brandon be accountable for putting himself in that position to begin with.

amen.

lex
08-29-2009, 02:01 PM
Answer this: Why can't Marshall play out his existing contract? The one HE signed with HIS name for FOURTH ROUND MONEY? Why can't he realize that it was HIS fault he wasn't drafted earlier? Why can't you realize the same?

Why can't he play ONE more season under this contract, THEN renegotiate? It happens every single day in the real world, especially when someone can't keep out of trouble off the field.

Why are you so freakin' stupid?

That would be a valid point if you were also in favor of bringing back every player under contract who was released. Without that believe your point succumbs to double standards.

rastaman
08-29-2009, 02:04 PM
Answer me this. Why was Brandon a 4th round pick? The idea was that Marshall had a lot of talent and most likely would of been a first or second round pick only there was something they didnt like about him but i cant seem to put my finger on it. Hmmmm.

Bottom line, Marshall is a top tier WR but is not due any raise because his off the field issues still concern management. There is only one person to blame for those incidents, Brandon Marshall. When you finally pull you head out of your ass and come to grips with that reality only then will you truly understand.

Oh BULLCHIT! Since when did Brandon sign a morality intensive contract? Its not like Marshall is a member of "Focus on the Family" in Colorado Springs.

Brandon ain't trying to get into heaven! While on the field, Brandon doesn't play like he's trying to get into heaven as well. If so, he would allow himself to go down with just an arm tackle!!:~ohyah!:

Fact of the matter is, he's owed for services rendered in 07 & 08, and his legal issues never affected his performance on the field. Pay him for out performing his contract in 07 & 08. Then Bowlen and McDaniel's can focus on new ways to moving the goal post around and the psyops mind games in 2010with Brandon when contract talks start all over again.:angel:

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-29-2009, 02:10 PM
That would be a valid point if you were also in favor of bringing back every player under contract who was released. Without that believe your point succumbs to double standards.

It IS a valid point, Lex. Marshall knew the rules going in, and STILL signed the contract. he knew, just like every single one of those victimized players knew, the rules going in.

He signed the contract, saying he would play x number of years for y number of dollars. He is expected to complete that contract. Period. And while some players DO get extensions ahead of time, they're expected to act like adults until they're fortunate to receive that. Beating women and acting a distraction in class is NOT the way to get a new contract. Period.

Northman
08-29-2009, 02:11 PM
Fact of the matter is, he's owed for services rendered in 07 & 08, and his legal issues never affected his performance on the field. Pay him for out performing his contract in 07 & 08. Then Bowlen and McDaniel's can focus on new ways to moving the goal post around and the psyops mind games in 2010with Brandon when contract talks start all over again.:angel:

Services rendered? Did you just start watching football all of a sudden? Got news for ya big dog. Ever since Goodell took over they have this added stipulation for players when it comes to raises, contracts, etc. Not only does it include your on the field performance but also your off the field performance. The latter in which Brandon has failed while being drafted. Its all a part of his appraisal and if the FO thinks that Brandon still needs some work in the other area before getting a raise that is their right under the current setup of contracts. Now, they could offer him a contract with clauses that protects themselves but my guess is they have already tried that route and Brandon declined. Why would he decline you say? Because he knows he cant stay out of trouble. He's wants his guarateed payday now before he gets into trouble again but hey, none of the FO is dumb enough to do that and so they will hold him hostage with his current contract. They are not obligated to renegoitiate his contract if they feel he hasnt lived up their expectations both on and off the field.

rastaman
08-29-2009, 02:11 PM
God forbid Brandon be accountable for putting himself in that position to begin with.

In what position? Do you mean out playing his 4th rnd salary in 07 & 08?

Hell if thats the case....why didn't Bowlen just call Brandon into his office in 07 and 08 and tell Brandon..."Look dude" don't you out play-perform your 4th round contract b/c I ain't going to pay you for performing like a first round pick or top 5 WR because of your off the field problems, pending court cases, and your mile long rap sheet.

Brandon would have had alot more respect for Bowlen b/c at least he knew where he stood.:approve:

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-29-2009, 02:11 PM
BULL CHIT indeed. He was paid for his '07 and '08 seasons. Just because he's run around town, spending all his money, doesn't mean he should just get a do over on the contract he signed.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-29-2009, 02:13 PM
In what position? Do you mean out playing his 4th rnd salary in 07 & 08?

Hell if thats the case....why didn't Bowlen just call Brandon into his office in 07 and 08 and tell Brandon..."Look dude" don't you out play-perform your 4th round contract b/c I ain't going to pay you for performing like a first round pick or top 5 WR because of your off the field problems, pending court cases, and your mile long rap sheet.

Brandon would have had alot more respect for Bowlen b/c at least he knew where he stood.:approve:

Why can't he play one more year under the existing deal, THEN get a massive raise?

Three years of good work trumps two years, and he would be handsomely rewarded if he showed up and played football. He's refused to do that.

Try not to be so stupid. Hard for you, I know. But try.

Northman
08-29-2009, 02:13 PM
In what position? Do you mean out playing his 4th rnd salary in 07 & 08?

Hell if thats the case....why didn't Bowlen just call Brandon into his office in 07 and 08 and tell Brandon..."Look dude" don't you out play-perform your 4th round contract b/c I ain't going to pay you for performing like a first round pick or top 5 WR because of your off the field problems, pending court cases, and your mile long rap sheet.

Brandon would have had alot more respect for Bowlen b/c at least he knew where he stood.:approve:



See my last post for your explanation. You clearly do not understand football and player expectations when it comes to contracts.

rastaman
08-29-2009, 02:17 PM
Services rendered? Did you just start watching football all of a sudden? Got news for ya big dog. Ever since Goodell took over they have this added stipulation for players when it comes to raises, contracts, etc. Not only does it include your on the field performance but also your off the field performance. The latter in which Brandon has failed while being drafted. Its all a part of his appraisal and if the FO thinks that Brandon still needs some work in the other area before getting a raise that is their right under the current setup of contracts. Now, they could offer him a contract with clauses that protects themselves but my guess is they have already tried that route and Brandon declined. Why would he decline you say? Because he knows he cant stay out of trouble. He's wants his guarateed payday now before he gets into trouble again but hey, none of the FO is dumb enough to do that and so they will hold him hostage with his current contract. They are not obligated to renegoitiate his contract if they feel he hasnt lived up their expectations both on and off the field.

But we don't know that for sure do we? Thats your assumption to help fit your belief that management is right! I do know one thing, players in the NFL are paid/compensated for out performing their contract. Brandon has every right at this stage to go out and perform like a 4th round draft pick b/c thats how the Broncos are paying him anyway.

Here's the medifore that fits the situation Brandon now finds himself in dealing the Bronco management.....

"Fool-me-once, shame on you...Fool me twice shame on me"! :thumbs:

UberBroncoMan
08-29-2009, 02:23 PM
The difference between the past and now is that he was LITERALLY disrupting the team. Getting in front of WR's in their routs? Dropping/kicking balls?

The stuff in the past was off the field... now he's brought his childish antics to the field and this is the result.

tsiguy96
08-29-2009, 02:24 PM
it truely is amazing that you guys can defend brandon marshall intentionally disrupting practice and making an ass out of himself, and you can blame that on mcdaniels. it shows how little you really know or how far youve narrowed your focus to blame mcd for everything. except when the team is winning, you wont blame that on mcd.

WABronco
08-29-2009, 02:26 PM
Medifore? Meteor?

Northman
08-29-2009, 02:28 PM
But we don't know that for sure do we? Thats your assumption to help fit your belief that management is right! I do know one thing, players in the NFL are paid/compensated for out performing their contract. Brandon has every right at this stage to go out and perform like a 4th round draft pick b/c thats how the Broncos are paying him anyway.

Here's the medifore that fits the situation Brandon now finds himself in dealing the Bronco management.....

"Fool-me-once, shame on you...Fool me twice shame on me"! :thumbs:


I would say that my observation is more realistic than yours. If its not based upon his off the field issues why else would they decline him? There's no logical reason to decline him unless it was a character issue. The other problem with your outlook on it is if Brandon does indeed choose to get more lazy and play like a 4th round receiver as you say. It only hurts him in the long run. So now your asking another team to try and sign him with off the field issues, and now teamwork issues. Brandon may indeed get his payday somewhere along the line but he will be just a great many flavor clowns who will be ringless because he isnt changing and cleaning up his attitude. For all the talent in the world TO is a great player with lots of money. But thats where it ends. For me, i would much rather have team oriented players on this squad than showboats who are only in for it for themselves. The last guy who said he played only for his teammates forced his way out of Denver and essentially spit in their faces on the way out. Now, the teammates for Brandon say he is handling it wrong. Are all those players wrong too Rasta? or do you think they might actually know something more than you?

maher_tyler
08-29-2009, 02:39 PM
I can't believe there are people on here defending this guy!! :notthissh

Northman
08-29-2009, 02:41 PM
I can't believe there are people on here defending this guy!! :notthissh


You act shocked. Ha!

Trust me when i say this, some people wouldnt care if Brandon raped young girls because its his on the field play that only matters. A lot of people dont think personal life should interfere with their favorite players on their respective teams. I for one, love that we have a Commisioner who is going to hold them accountable.

rastaman
08-29-2009, 02:50 PM
I would say that my observation is more realistic than yours. If its not based upon his off the field issues why else would they decline him? There's no logical reason to decline him unless it was a character issue. The other problem with your outlook on it is if Brandon does indeed choose to get more lazy and play like a 4th round receiver as you say. It only hurts him in the long run.

Brandon should play like a 4th round pick b/c thats how he's being PAID! Whats wrong with playing to level you are being paid? Also, why should Brandon trust management at this stage for a pay raise? This situation still comes down to management enforcing its will b/c the next phase you will see management throw at Bmarsh will if he wants to be traded they will talk to any team willing to give up a 1st and 4th, thus forcing Brandon to stay and bend to their will. The way to counter that for Brandon is not to give his body and soul to such a ruthless organization thats wants their cake and eat it to. Brandon's big day in the NFL will come by staying healthy, staying out of trouble and his LONGVEITY.

So now your asking another team to try and sign him with off the field issues, and now teamwork issues. Brandon may indeed get his payday somewhere along the line but he will be just a great many flavor clowns who will be ringless because he isnt changing and cleaning up his attitude.

Teams will sign Brandon, but not for the Kings Ransome the Broncos are demanding with a 1st and 4th. Compensating Brandon with bonuses for out performing his contract in 07 and 08 would have perhaps gotten Brandon to play along and on to the field for 09. Thus showing potential bidders for his service that he is indeed worth a 1st and 4th. However, now that Brandon is not a happy camper and management deciding to play "Who's the Boss" card, this makes for a non-compromising ugly outcome.

For all the talent in the world TO is a great player with lots of money. But thats where it ends. For me, i would much rather have team oriented players on this squad than showboats who are only in for it for themselves. The last guy who said he played only for his teammates forced his way out of Denver and essentially spit in their faces on the way out. Now, the teammates for Brandon say he is handling it wrong. Are all those players wrong too Rasta? or do you think they might actually know something more than you?

As far as teammates are concerned the rule of thump is usually to stay neutral in contract matters b/c they never know when or if they may find themselves in similar circumstances as a fellow teammate. However, if the media pulls a teammate aside and ask their opinion(s) on Brandon's situation thye would be rather foolish career wise to put the HC or owners in a negative light for fear of repurcussions. However, who knows what the teammates are saying w/o a media camera in their face for the whole world to judge.

rastaman
08-29-2009, 02:53 PM
You act shocked. Ha!

Trust me when i say this, some people wouldnt care if Brandon raped young girls because its his on the field play that only matters. A lot of people dont think personal life should interfere with their favorite players on their respective teams. I for one, love that we have a Commisioner who is going to hold them accountable.

Oh you're going to extremes now.....just to strengthen your weak pro-management anti-Marshall argument.ROFL!

Popcorn Sutton
08-29-2009, 02:53 PM
Where is this coming from? ???

http://www.impactlab.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/horny-goat-weed-545.jpg

rastaman
08-29-2009, 02:59 PM
if this was brandon stokely or tony scheffler, rastaman could care less what happens to them.

Well Stokely and Scheffler have yet to prove they can stay healthy long enough to put up Pro bowl type numbers. Stokely is no slouch by any stretch of the imagination although he had his best years with Manning and Baltimore. DC didn't stay up all night trying to contain Stokley. As for Scheffler he has Tony Gonzales potential if utilized properly but he has to show he can stay healthy.:wave:

maher_tyler
08-29-2009, 03:34 PM
http://www.impactlab.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/horny-goat-weed-545.jpg

WTF is that??

maher_tyler
08-29-2009, 03:39 PM
The people defending this guy having prolly never played a sport in there life...you don't want guys with bad attitudes on the team, period end of discussion!!

mizzoutigers
08-29-2009, 03:42 PM
it has nothing to do with numbers rasta, i'm not stupid. you're too easy to figure out.

rastaman
08-29-2009, 03:46 PM
http://www.impactlab.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/horny-goat-weed-545.jpg

Don't show this picture to Orton we need him focused against the Bears!:sunshine:

rastaman
08-29-2009, 03:48 PM
it has nothing to do with numbers rasta, i'm not stupid. you're too easy to figure out.

No one said were stupid.....however you do have your moments.:P

ScottXray
08-29-2009, 04:05 PM
Nope! Denver only needs to compensate Brandon for his production and performance in 07 & 08.;)

Rasta, I could be wrong, but I think that the only reason BM was going to get 2.2 Million THIS year was because of a performance bonus clause in his current contract. I think the main trigger was making the Pro Bowl.
So, he was only going to get around 500k if that hadn't happened.

So , yeah his current contract is relevant. As far as him out performing it or outperforming a 4th round pick....yes he has. And I wish that the Broncos would have done something 3-4 weeks ago, to sort of appease his apetite for huge sums. On the other hand they couldn't give him what HE wanted, and that is a huge contract with millions up front.

But that point is past, and now he has shown his immaturity, again, and is starting to turn the TEAM against himself.

The ONLY way he now gets paid is by coming into camp and acting like a
professional football player. And if he does so , I don't care if he HAS been a douchebag in the past. As long as he keeps his nose clean and plays the way he can, I won't bitch about him being on the field. I'm not going to buy his jersey though. I'll cheer for his good play, and hope he keeps his nose clean.

And at the first sign of shenanigans, the team needs to suspend him again, and let it cost him, for making another error in judgement.

What this kid needs is to get a person in his life that he cares about MORE than himself. God, a wife, it doesn't mattter who, as long as that person has
a brain and some good sense.

DenverBrit
08-29-2009, 04:08 PM
WTF is that??

Herbal tea??

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-29-2009, 04:12 PM
[B]As far as teammates are concerned the rule of thump ...[B]

Ohhhhhhhhhh, the rule of thump.

Uh, what was the rule of thump again?

Northman
08-29-2009, 04:12 PM
Brandon should play like a 4th round pick b/c thats how he's being PAID! Whats wrong with playing to level you are being paid?

So wait a minute. You mean no person whether its a pro athlete or ordinary citizen should try to strive to be better? The whole reason Brandon played as well as he did is so that he could get a better payday and prove he is a true playmaker. And thus, he did that. However, he couldnt keep his nose clean off the field during that time and that hurts his stock. So now, you would be advising this guy to simply reduce his productivity because he couldnt stay out of trouble off the field? Are you ****ing kidding me? Dude, sorry. You are an absolute moron.

Dendave
08-29-2009, 04:17 PM
What you are ignoring is the fact that in 07 & 08 Denver did not loose Bmarsh to any suspensions due to legal problems.

oh really, where was he for the first game last year?

cutthemdown
08-29-2009, 04:23 PM
Rasta you need to realize the special dynamics of the situation.

Once Broncos say we will negotiate, now you really have to get something done or things really blow up. At this point Broncos probably not willing to even consider a contract for 5 yrs 40 million with 20 mil garaunteed.

Jennings took a 3 yr deal for 30, with 16 for sure millions!!

I doubt Marshall would sign that. If he wants more then that it makes it tough for Broncos to open up negotiations they feel they can't close.

The smart thing is to wait until he hits RFA, and let other teams show Marshall his true worth. Or a new CBA that has new protections for the owners on the big money deals, then you sign him. Either way Broncos can easily control his rights and insure against losing him for nothing.

Tell me this what do you think would be a fair deal for Marshall?

cutthemdown
08-29-2009, 04:26 PM
Marshal should have the pride and loyalty to teammates to either not show up at all, or just show up and play hard.

There is an unwritten rule you don't go out and make mistakes on purpose because now you screw the other players chances at stats, wins, and eventual money.

You either stay away, or come play hard. You don't show up so you can avoid the fines but then subvert the rest of the team. Rasta if you can't see that then I can't explain it any better.

The way Marshal is doing things is totally immature, selfish, and unprofessional. It's now how Roddy White handled it, Jennings, Boldin. It just about what TO did but if thats his model then god help us.

Dukes
08-29-2009, 05:15 PM
Answer this: Why can't Marshall play out his existing contract? The one HE signed with HIS name for FOURTH ROUND MONEY? Why can't he realize that it was HIS fault he wasn't drafted earlier? Why can't you realize the same?

Why can't he play ONE more season under this contract, THEN renegotiate? It happens every single day in the real world, especially when someone can't keep out of trouble off the field.

Why are you so freakin' stupid?

I've given up trying to figure out why.

Gort
08-29-2009, 05:23 PM
rastaman is a gay fish.

http://www.bapenerd.com/images/2009/04/kanye-west-south-park-gayfish.jpg

kamakazi_kal
08-29-2009, 05:36 PM
http://www.impactlab.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/horny-goat-weed-545.jpg

I think you mean this.......

rastaman
08-29-2009, 05:46 PM
rastaman is a gay fish.

http://www.bapenerd.com/images/2009/04/kanye-west-south-park-gayfish.jpg

Thanks for the compliment...."Butt Snorkeler"!

HEAV
08-29-2009, 05:56 PM
I stopped at irregardless.
Hilarious!
:strong:

Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.

Dedhed
08-29-2009, 05:57 PM
However, we can all agree he out played his contract as a 4th rnd draft pick in 07 & 08. And teams do recompensate players should they out perform their contracts.

Yet off the field, he wasn't worth a 7th rounder, and one more transgression, and he'll be worth half of a pro bowler. What's that equal in salary?

Everything he's done on the field to warrant more money, he's more than negated by his off field idiocy.

On Wednesday alone he chopped his value in half across the league, not just with the Broncos.

rastaman
08-29-2009, 06:57 PM
So wait a minute. You mean no person whether its a pro athlete or ordinary citizen should try to strive to be better? The whole reason Brandon played as well as he did is so that he could get a better payday and prove he is a true playmaker. And thus, he did that. However, he couldnt keep his nose clean off the field during that time and that hurts his stock. So now, you would be advising this guy to simply reduce his productivity because he couldnt stay out of trouble off the field? Are you ****ing kidding me? Dude, sorry. You are an absolute moron.

Northman....you can't have your cake and it too! On the one hand the Marsh haters want Marshall gone, the feelings are thus far,,,, he's a sorry ass teammate, he's unprofessinal, locker room cancel etc., but out of pure revenge and hatred everyone is on board with management that we make it as difficult as possible to trade Brandon by demanding a 1st and 4th. Why all the vindictiveness just b/c Brandon may have all but decide not to want to play in Denver anymore. Where do the fans and management draw the line and admit its time to part ways, w/o holding him hostage!

rastaman
08-29-2009, 07:05 PM
Yet off the field, he wasn't worth a 7th rounder, and one more transgression, and he'll be worth half of a pro bowler. What's that equal in salary?

Everything he's done on the field to warrant more money, he's more than negated by his off field idiocy.

On Wednesday alone he chopped his value in half across the league, not just with the Broncos.

So can the Broncos still demand a 1st and 4th realistically? Point is, what you have stated all points to Marshall needing a new start and should be traded from Denver. Unless out of pure revenge Denver will want tag Brandon knowing teams won't give into the Broncos ridiculous trade compensation while making Brandon sit and rot.

Northman
08-29-2009, 07:15 PM
Northman....you can't have your cake and it too! On the one hand the Marsh haters want Marshall gone, the feelings are thus far,,,, he's a sorry ass teammate, he's unprofessinal, locker room cancel etc., but out of pure revenge and hatred everyone is on board with management that we make it as difficult as possible to trade Brandon by demanding a 1st and 4th. Why all the vindictiveness just b/c Brandon may have all but decide not to want to play in Denver anymore. Where do the fans and management draw the line and admit its time to part ways, w/o holding him hostage!

Uh, its not vindictiveness Rasta. We just dont want to be Oakland and give him away for less than he is worth. Moss went to New England for a 4th and there is no way that Denver will part with Marshall like that and they shouldnt. Are you seriously going to tell me that the team you root for should just let Brandon walk without getting fair value in return? I forget who it was but someone said that by midseason some team who is making a push for the playoffs will get desperate and possibly give Denver what they want.

Ill be the first to admit that after Brandon's trial i thought he would get a new contract. But, Denver isnt obligated too give him a new one if they feel he could still be a problem off the field. Never the less, when you listen to McDaniels he has nothing but positive things to say about Marshall and vice versa. So realistically? I dont see Brandon going anywhwere right now. Essentially, Denver can allow Brandon to sit as this team is rebuilding and not expected to do much anyway. Whether Brandon sits or not wont change a whole lot as far as the season is concerned.

The funny thing is, all Brandon had to do was go play and do his thing this year. And he may still end up doing that i dont know. But, right now the only person he is hurting is himself. It isnt like Brandon will magically make this club a SB contender this year. So if Brandon wants to get his "payday" it might be wise for him to drop all the TO antics and get out and show why he is worth what Denver is asking. The reason teams are lowballing is because they know a guy like Marshall has baggage and they will actually use that to try and persuade Denver to lower their asking price. But, like i said, Denver can just let Brandon sit and it wont cost them a thing.

watermock
08-29-2009, 07:15 PM
Meh.

Beavis will get "his team" assembled soon enough.

We should just trade BM and take our high picks in '10. Oh wait....

Northman
08-29-2009, 07:18 PM
So can the Broncos still demand a 1st and 4th realistically? Point is, what you have stated all points to Marshall needing a new start and should be traded from Denver. Unless out of pure revenge Denver will want tag Brandon knowing teams won't give into the Broncos ridiculous trade compensation while making Brandon sit and rot.

Revenge or not who cares? Its not about 1 player and never has been. I dont see how Bronco fans can throw away their support for players who are only in it for themselves. Especially now where the player in question is the only one who has hurt his value by his own actions. My question to you is when do you stop worrying about Brandon's feelings and get back to supporting the guys who will actually be playing this year? Are you a Bronco fan or a player fan?

watermock
08-29-2009, 07:49 PM
Rasta, I could be wrong, but I think that the only reason BM was going to get 2.2 Million THIS year was because of a performance bonus clause in his current contract. I think the main trigger was making the Pro Bowl.
So, he was only going to get around 500k if that hadn't happened.

So , yeah his current contract is relevant. As far as him out performing it or outperforming a 4th round pick....yes he has. And I wish that the Broncos would have done something 3-4 weeks ago, to sort of appease his apetite for huge sums. On the other hand they couldn't give him what HE wanted, and that is a huge contract with millions up front.

But that point is past, and now he has shown his immaturity, again, and is starting to turn the TEAM against himself.

The ONLY way he now gets paid is by coming into camp and acting like a
professional football player. And if he does so , I don't care if he HAS been a douchebag in the past. As long as he keeps his nose clean and plays the way he can, I won't b**** about him being on the field. I'm not going to buy his jersey though. I'll cheer for his good play, and hope he keeps his nose clean.

And at the first sign of shenanigans, the team needs to suspend him again, and let it cost him, for making another error in judgement.

What this kid needs is to get a person in his life that he cares about MORE than himself. God, a wife, it doesn't mattter who, as long as that person has
a brain and some good sense.


The fact they COULD of given BM a retobonus of a couple mill in lieu of a new contract, ya know, THESE GUY'S GOTTA EAT.

rastaman
08-29-2009, 08:04 PM
Revenge or not who cares? Its not about 1 player and never has been. I dont see how Bronco fans can throw away their support for players who are only in it for themselves. Especially now where the player in question is the only one who has hurt his value by his own actions. My question to you is when do you stop worrying about Brandon's feelings and get back to supporting the guys who will actually be playing this year? Are you a Bronco fan or a player fan?

Come on man, you know players make the NFL as a result, I support the players first before the HC or the owners. The players career is really short in the NFL; whereas fans can go on cheering well into their 70's and 80's. Coaches go on to coach well into their 70's, and Owners they go on to OWN and make 100's of millions and die as owners.

The fans, coaches, owners, and FO personnel aren't the gladiators-warriors, they aren't the ones risking their health and bodies to long term injury and disabilities to play the most violent professional sports! Its the players that make the NFL what it is today.....plain and simple.

Fans dont' fill up stadiums to watch the owners return kicks or punts or to watch the HC's rush the football, catch passes, score TD's. And of course fans wouldn't be sitting in the stands if they had the talent to showcase their skills on the field. Fans are the ultimate wannbees with a huge jealous streak and love hate relationship with the players.

ZONA
08-29-2009, 08:04 PM
At this point, who gives a damn. This thing will work out or it won't. The Broncos are still gonna take the field and I'm gonna watch. I'm so tired of all the BS. All I know is that 53 guys will be suited up and ready to play come week 1 and I'm more then ready to root them on, no matter who they are.

rastaman
08-29-2009, 09:20 PM
Uh, its not vindictiveness Rasta. We just dont want to be Oakland and give him away for less than he is worth. Moss went to New England for a 4th and there is no way that Denver will part with Marshall like that and they shouldnt. Are you seriously going to tell me that the team you root for should just let Brandon walk without getting fair value in return? I forget who it was but someone said that by midseason some team who is making a push for the playoffs will get desperate and possibly give Denver what they want.

So unless Brandon bends to the will of the Fans, Bowlen, and Management, the Broncos will play the Rot in Jail card.....for not playing ball the way his masters have demanded. Its the old cliché' "If I can't have you"....NO ONE CAN! Sound kinda freaky doesn't it? Contract aren't etched in in stone, they are written on paper and can be subject to change or renegotiated.

Ill be the first to admit that after Brandon's trial i thought he would get a new contract. But, Denver isn't obligated too give him a new one if they feel he could still be a problem off the field. Never the less, when you listen to McDaniel's he has nothing but positive things to say about Marshall and vice versa. So realistically? I dont see Brandon going anywhere right now. Essentially, Denver can allow Brandon to sit as this team is rebuilding and not expected to do much anyway. Whether Brandon sits or not wont change a whole lot as far as the season is concerned.

Point is, the Broncos can't "sit" or hold Brandon "Forever"! Sooner or later he will be granted his freedom to play for the the team of his choosing. Thats what FA is all about.

The funny thing is, all Brandon had to do was go play and do his thing this year. And he may still end up doing that i dont know. But, right now the only person he is hurting is himself. It isn't like Brandon will magically make this club a SB contender this year. So if Brandon wants to get his "payday" it might be wise for him to drop all the TO antics and get out and show why he is worth what Denver is asking. The reason teams are low balling is because they know a guy like Marshall has baggage and they will actually use that to try and persuade Denver to lower their asking price. But, like i said, Denver can just let Brandon sit and it wont cost them a thing.

If Denver feels they can decide what type of obligation they will and won't fulfill, Brandon can decide whether he will play at his 07 an 08 levels as well. Its a two way street. As far as Brandon hurting his future payday's and trade values, I'd have to disagree b/c Brandon's value will hinge upon not suffering major knee injuries etc. Should Brandon play with the reckless abandon as he has done in 07 & 08, which involved two to three tacklers to bring him down! by the time the RFA and UFA periods are over he may have suffered injuries that may definitely degrade his trade--FA value. So if anything, Brandon needs to play smarter football until he at least can hit the FA market free and clear.

TailgateNut
08-29-2009, 09:27 PM
If Denver feels they can decide what type of obligation they will and won't fulfill, Brandon can decide whether he will play at his 07 an 08 levels as well. Its a two way street. As far as Brandon hurting his future payday's and trade values, I'd have to disagree b/c Brandon's value will hinge upon not suffering major knee injuries etc. Should Brandon play with the reckless abandon as he has done in 07 & 08, which involved two to three tacklers to bring him down! by the time the RFA and UFA periods are over he may have suffered injuries that may definitely degrade his trade--FA value. So if anything, Brandon needs to play smarter football until he at least can hit the FA market free and clear.


He could just keep acting like an ass. He seems to have mastered the art.

TomServo
08-30-2009, 01:00 AM
just said on another thread............someone will pay him. if michael vick was welcomed back why cant an immature wide reciever?

errand
08-30-2009, 01:10 AM
Wow Brandon Marshall is only being paid 4th round money? Imagine that, a 4th round pick being paid 4th round money.

So you believe he should be able to renegotiate his original contract and receive more money? Did he offer to give any of that 4th round money back when he was suspended last season? Or this season? Did he offer the Broncos any of their money back for his numerous drops? Did he offer them any money back when he got into a "wrestling match" with some other idiot and almost sever his arm off?

Sure he paid fines...but fines aren't him taking it upon himself to say, "Hey, I sucked at this or that, and because I suck at it...you deserve this many $$$ back"

He signed a contract, he should honor it....the Broncos are.

errand
08-30-2009, 01:15 AM
How the hell are we going to get a 1st and 4th compensation in trade for Brandon if he's only playing like a 4th round drafted WR???

If we don't get 1st and 4th round comp for Brandon it won't be because he's playing like a 4th rounder....it'll be because he acts like a 4th grader

errand
08-30-2009, 01:29 AM
Fact of the matter is, he's owed for services rendered in 07 & 08, and his legal issues never affected his performance on the field.

Didn't he have a one game suspension (down from an original 4 game) last season?

You said his off field issues haven't hurt his on-field production...well, you're wrong (as usual I bet)

He missed one game due to suspension...

While he did catch a whopping two more passes in '08 than he did in '07(104 to 102)...that's the only improvement

he scored 1 less touchdown in '08 (6) than '07 (7)...

he had 60 fewer yards receiving in '08 (1265) than '07 (1325)

....and his yard per catch average dropped almost one yard from 13.0 to 12.2

....and his longest in '08 was 47 yards. His longest in '07? 68 yards (for a touchdown)

...and if memory serves me right, he also dropped alot more passes in '08 as well.

So you think we should renegotiate with a player whose numbers regressed?

errand
08-30-2009, 01:43 AM
...to continue...he had 57 yards rushing in '07...he had -4 in '08

he had 3 fumbles in '07, losing 1. He had 4 fumbles in '08...losing 3

he had 3 catches of 40+ yards in '07...he had only 1 in '08.

he made 70 1st downs in '07...he made only 65 in '08

he had 6 tackles in '07...he made only 2 in '08

he had 3 fumble recoveries in '07...he had 0 in '08

...again, more regression.

watermock
08-30-2009, 01:44 AM
Didn't he have a one game suspension (down from an original 4 game) last season?

You said his off field issues haven't hurt his on-field production...well, you're wrong (as usual I bet)

He missed one game due to suspension...

While he did catch a whopping two more passes in '08 than he did in '07(104 to 102)...that's the only improvement

he scored 1 less touchdown in '08 (6) than '07 (7)...

he had 60 fewer yards receiving in '08 (1265) than '07 (1325)

....and his yard per catch average dropped almost one yard from 13.0 to 12.2

....and his longest in '08 was 47 yards. His longest in '07? 68 yards (for a touchdown)

...and if memory serves me right, he also dropped alot more passes in '08 as well.

So you think we should renegotiate with a player whose numbers regressed?

Wow! What a drop off considering his hip.

Or the fact he was suspended 1 game?

Just read your own crap.

watermock
08-30-2009, 01:48 AM
The only legimate arguments are his hip and arm are damaged.

In that case, I would want out of town ASAP.

errand
08-30-2009, 01:53 AM
I can't believe there are people on here defending this guy!! :notthissh

You shouldn't be suprised...trust me.


Jake Plummer won alot of games here but never was accepted by a faction of o-maners who loved Griese or wanted Cuytler to start immediately.

Kyle Orton could win the Super Bowl this season and people will still bitch because he's not Jay Cutler...
.

errand
08-30-2009, 02:03 AM
Wow! What a drop off considering his hip.

Or the fact he was suspended 1 game?

Just read your own crap.

So tell me clown, where was the improvement...if any?

watermock
08-30-2009, 02:08 AM
OK, dummy.

First, he wasn't allowed to practice preseason.

Second, he was suspended 1 game. Put his average into the stats, he would of equalled or passed his 07 numbers.

I allready addressed the hip and arm.

Dumbass.

mr007
08-30-2009, 02:09 AM
What a stupid argument.

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watermock
08-30-2009, 02:13 AM
Why?

The only stat that goes down is YPC. 1 yard? That's 1 play.

Pray tell.

watermock
08-30-2009, 02:18 AM
Maybe that 1 YPC had something to do with hip or arm.

Jesus.

He dropped passes, he was also thrown to the most in the NFL.

You think I think he's some God?

They're players under contract. or not.

rmsanger
08-30-2009, 04:52 AM
My take on it is that our scrubs for a team are only going to win 5-6 games this season tops (my expectation) with BM. Since this is a basically meaningless anyway I say sit the fawker all season and try to sink his career. We'll get nothing of value tradewise due to his on/off field activities so we might as well get the satisfaction of seeing him tank.

Wouldn't mind seeing him end up like Travis Henry or Maurice Clarett.

NYBronco
08-30-2009, 05:00 AM
Here's what hasn't been considered yet! Which is a more demanding need of importance for Marshall at this stage. Does Brandon want to remain Denver or does he want to be traded, irregardless of how much money the Broncos do offer him? Has it gotten to the point on both sides that irreparable damage has been done in the eyes of management and Marshall?

When I listen to the Marshall haters debating what should done to Marshall b/c he had the nerve to challenge and the owner, management, and pro-management fan base for compensation, a raise, or a new contract due to his production in seasons 07 and 08. What has ensued since then, has been to hold Brandon's legal problems over his head as a reason not to pay him the money owed for past performances.

The hypocrisy of it all, was that the Brandon haters and the Broncos FO did not suspend him in 07 & 08 for his legal problems......they only wanted to see PRODUCTION and ENTERTAINMENT out of him! Boy the fans and Bowlen really showed a lot class--didn't they. So long as Bmarsh was catching 100 plus receptions, racking up YAC, and requiring at least two or three tacklers to bring him down; all you Marshall haters were as happy as pigs rooting over left overs. The fans didn't care not one IOTA, they only cared about "Their Entertainment value and SB aspirations/chances on Any Given Sunday, bragging rights at the office, and living their fantasies thru Brandon Marshall.

Besides We Are Only Paying Him 4th round money! Lets ignore his legal problems for now. We can always have a come to Jesus moment once he demands to be paid as a Top 5 WR. Then we can nail him with his legal problems past, present and FUTURE!! Hell to add icing to the cake in paying Brandon we can even bring up its his fault D-Will was murdered.

The arrogance, ignorance and hypocrisies are endless and classless. Brandon has earned the estimated 5 millon dollar in bonuses for his 07 and 08 performances. And his acquittal in the Atlanta courts and his non-suspension from the league as a result of his acquitta,l should mandated that Bowlen pay Marshall for his 07 & 08 seasons.

However, rather than own up to this fact, Bowlen, the FO, and McDaniel's have elected to partake in mind games and moving the "Goal Post" around....All in the name of teaching Marshall the retribution and revenge that can be brought to bare on Who's Boss!!

Wow... just throw the money at him and let's all get back to being happy little arrogant , ignorant and hypocritical pigs. Responsibility, professionalism and self pride is not a requirement of Brandon the talented.

hambone13
08-30-2009, 07:36 AM
Uh, its not vindictiveness Rasta. We just dont want to be Oakland and give him away for less than he is worth. Moss went to New England for a 4th and there is no way that Denver will part with Marshall like that and they shouldnt. Are you seriously going to tell me that the team you root for should just let Brandon walk without getting fair value in return? I forget who it was but someone said that by midseason some team who is making a push for the playoffs will get desperate and possibly give Denver what they want.

Ill be the first to admit that after Brandon's trial i thought he would get a new contract. But, Denver isnt obligated too give him a new one if they feel he could still be a problem off the field. Never the less, when you listen to McDaniels he has nothing but positive things to say about Marshall and vice versa. So realistically? I dont see Brandon going anywhwere right now. Essentially, Denver can allow Brandon to sit as this team is rebuilding and not expected to do much anyway. Whether Brandon sits or not wont change a whole lot as far as the season is concerned.

The funny thing is, all Brandon had to do was go play and do his thing this year. And he may still end up doing that i dont know. But, right now the only person he is hurting is himself. It isnt like Brandon will magically make this club a SB contender this year. So if Brandon wants to get his "payday" it might be wise for him to drop all the TO antics and get out and show why he is worth what Denver is asking. The reason teams are lowballing is because they know a guy like Marshall has baggage and they will actually use that to try and persuade Denver to lower their asking price. But, like i said, Denver can just let Brandon sit and it wont cost them a thing.

I think it's great someone actually started comparing the BM situation to the Randy Moss situation in Oakland. I think it's much more similar than TO. Randy was disappointed in management so he acted like a petulant child. Maybe not on film but everyone knows he played and practiced half assed. Randy had already had his big pay day so he took a smaller deal to be on a SB contender with a proven SB caliber coach. Crazy what a player is willing to do when they're treated respectably by a proven leader and professional management.

We on the other hand, have an unproven coach, an owner who's potentially losing his mind and business sanity by over involving himself in the day to day operations of the team. What team does that sound like? I would have a hard time being a player in Denver right now too. There are just too many unknowns and a lack of focus on being a class organization where players get treated well. We at least had that going for us during the Shanny era. Right now we look like clowns, Browns and Begals...and need I say it....maybe even Raiders.

Cool Breeze
08-30-2009, 07:52 AM
nope I was critical of Marshall for a long time. I said many times this players personality is worrisome.

As far as your theory he's getting 4th round money so why should he play well is pretty stupid.

Players come from all over the draft board. Since when does a player give back his money if he doesn't perform well? The fact is fans support a players goal to get more money. I say get as much as you can. Also its not my money so what do I really care if owner spends it.

The thing with Marshall is he has red flags. Why can't you understand the team likes the idea of making him play well, then be RFA. Broncos can sign, sign and trade, or tender and get picks for him. That is the smart move. If a new CBA is signed, then hopefully it has better protections against players getting suspended and getting money back. Then he would be a FA and we could either tag him or let him walk.

Sorry but I don't feel sorry for Marshall. He's making a millions, he's only a yr away from a big payday.

Why not just play for the payday? sounds to me like maybe Marshall feels his hip can't get it done. Or he feels that Cutler was his ticket to big yrds and winning not really what matters to him. He could only care about money and his own stats.

He's very un EdmcCaffery.

This it

mizzoutigers
08-30-2009, 08:02 AM
marshall is a thug, can't even begin to compare him to easy ed. eddy was classy, articulate, epitome of a team player. marshall will blow all his money and be on the streets when he is done with football. typical of most, and then have the audacity to say the nfl doesn't take care of them. the hell with marshall, i hope he rots.

rastaman
08-30-2009, 08:14 AM
He could just keep acting like an ass. He seems to have mastered the art.

Yep! Randy Moss acted an ass in Minn. and Oakland. Moss's landed on his feet rather well in NE. Because TALENT was his leverage and the fact he never suffered catastrophic injuries to either knees or major weight bearing joints are why Moss despite his past behavior is still making big bucks in the NFL.

No reason the same scenario can't happen to Marshall as well. He has the talent which is his leverage, and so long as he doesn't suffer any catastrophic injuries to either knees or major weight bearing joints, Brandon will get his big day and perhaps go to a team that isn't REBUILDING like the Broncos are.

No way does the NFL allow the Broncos to just throw away the key and make Marshall sit or rot away just out of pure revenge and animosity on behalf of Bowlen and McDaniels. The Players Union and Roger Goddel will intervene and push for a compromise. The shame of it all, is that Bowlen and McDaniels could have come to some sort of compromise with Brandon months of go, instead of showing the world "Who's Boss"!.

rastaman
08-30-2009, 08:26 AM
Wow Brandon Marshall is only being paid 4th round money? Imagine that, a 4th round pick being paid 4th round money.

So you believe he should be able to renegotiate his original contract and receive more money? Did he offer to give any of that 4th round money back when he was suspended last season? Or this season? Did he offer the Broncos any of their money back for his numerous drops? Did he offer them any money back when he got into a "wrestling match" with some other idiot and almost sever his arm off?

Sure he paid fines...but fines aren't him taking it upon himself to say, "Hey, I sucked at this or that, and because I suck at it...you deserve this many $$$ back"

He signed a contract, he should honor it....the Broncos are.

Wow! Why is it so difficult for you anti-Marshall--pro management fans to see that a player has every right to play up to his salary. Hell Randy Moss did not play up to his potential while at Oakland and even his last few years in Minn; and there was nothing the league, HC's, fans or owners could do about. Should Brandon do the same thing.....what are Bowlen, McDaniel's, the Fans and even the players going to do about? Call him every name in the book or boo him until they loose their voices?:sunshine:

Marshall can honor his 4th rnd contract by playing like a 4th rnd drafted player. Which the last time I checked, 4th rnd players in the NFL DON'T even start!! What! will McDaniel's bench Marshall or suspend him w/o pay merely b/c he's not playing at his 07 & 08 levels! Good luck trying to make that move stick. The players union and Goddel will haul Bowlen and McDaniel's into his office and tell them to behave like professionals.:strong:

rastaman
08-30-2009, 08:29 AM
marshall is a thug, can't even begin to compare him to easy ed. eddy was classy, articulate, epitome of a team player. marshall will blow all his money and be on the streets when he is done with football. typical of most, and then have the audacity to say the nfl doesn't take care of them. the hell with marshall, i hope he rots.

Boy! what era are you living in Homey! There are thugs in the NFL in the 21st Century and you can't bring your moralistic opinions or beliefs to change this fact. :afro:

mr007
08-30-2009, 10:41 AM
Marshall can honor his 4th rnd contract by playing like a 4th rnd drafted player. Which the last time I checked, 4th rnd players in the NFL DON'T even start!! What! will McDaniel's bench Marshall or suspend him w/o pay merely b/c he's not playing at his 07 & 08 levels! Good luck trying to make that move stick. The players union and Goddel will haul Bowlen and McDaniel's into his office and tell them to behave like professionals.:strong:

This is simply retarded. Why do you keep basing your argument on the fact that he was drafted in the 4th round? Do 1st round players with guaranteed money that completely suck (the tons of them) simply give up a bunch of $$ because they're not performing as they're expected to or pay back money they've received?

It's simple, Marshall should play as well as he possibly can play because he's still making good money and he's looking for that big pay day. Many later round choices blossom and wait for their payday patiently because that was the contract they signed, that was how they performed in college, and that's what teams evaluated them at.

I would say definitely give a contract similar to what Roddy White received, but make it incentive laden based on him keeping out of trouble.

Maybe he would have a new contract if he had kept out of trouble and tried to take a different approach this off season, maybe not. If he all of a sudden starts "playing like a 4th round pick," he will continue to receive 4th round money because no one will want to pay him. End of story, dumbest argument I've ever heard.

misturanderson
08-30-2009, 11:30 AM
I would say definitely give a contract similar to what Roddy White received, but make it incentive laden based on him keeping out of trouble.


The only way to do this would be to decrease the amount of guaranteed money that he receives, I'm sure that isn't an option that he or his agent are willing to accept because it also allows the team to void his contract due to basically anything they want. Most importantly, a career-ending injury. There are provisions in the CBA that prevent teams from recouping large portions of signing bonuses for off field concerns.

Marshall has proven that he is indeed worth big money, but he needs to come in and prove that he is worth big GUARANTEED money. To do this he basically needs to take everything he's done this offseason and do the exact opposite for the rest of the year.

errand
08-30-2009, 11:34 AM
Rastaman...the bottom line is the bottom line. Marshall is about the money...plain and simple. He doesn't play the game for the same reasons as guys like Eddie Mac or Rod Smith did...to win a Super Bowl ring.

Get rid of him...100 catch WR's are a dime a dozen these days. Look how often it's happened over the last 5 years. Eddie Royal (think of a faster Wes Welker) caught 91 as a rookie...he'll top 100 this year...even with Orton throwing the ball.

Northman
08-30-2009, 11:46 AM
Maybe that 1 YPC had something to do with hip or arm.

Jesus.

He dropped passes, he was also thrown to the most in the NFL.

You think I think he's some God?

They're players under contract. or not.


Thats true, that angry burger king wrapper sure was out of control.

Cito Pelon
08-30-2009, 12:19 PM
Point well taken. However, we can all agree he out played his contract as a 4th rnd draft pick in 07 & 08. And teams do recompensate players should they out perform their contracts. Brandon showed what he can do performance wise in 07 & 08 and the Broncos have decided to play hard ball contract agreement enforcement. Cool, thats their perogative.

However, Brandon has every right in 09, 10, and 11 to continue to play--perform at at a 4th round draft pick until his contract runs or the franchise tags run out. The Broncos can't expect first rnd pick/top 10 WR production out of Brandon while continuing to pay him 4th rnd pick money, while lying like the Devil to pay Brandon as one of the top WR's in the NFL.

The Broncos can't very well demand a 1st and 4th for Brandon if he's performing as a 4th round draft pick b/c thats how he's being paid!d If he's playing like a 4th round draft pick, he probably won't be the starting WR.....so once again how can Denver demand a 1st and 4th for Brandon Marshall.

Bowlen and McDaniel's can't "Suspend" Brandon w/o pay for performing like a 4th round draft choice! So Brandon still gets paid his 2.2 million dollars for 09. Then should Denver tag him in 010 as an RFA with the max salary of $2.7 million, no big deal b/c that's still 4th round pick money, so in 2010, Brandon continues to play as a 4th round pick, thus continuing to sit the bench and collecting his 2.7 million salary.

So if Brandon is smart this how he should play out the next 3 years in Denver. If Bowlen is dumb enough to demand a 1st and 4th for trading Brandon, Brandon should be coy enough to play along while performing as a 4th round draft pick type talent.

That's probably exactly how Marshall looks at it.

rastaman
08-30-2009, 06:17 PM
This is simply retarded. Why do you keep basing your argument on the fact that he was drafted in the 4th round? Do 1st round players with guaranteed money that completely suck (the tons of them) simply give up a bunch of $$ because they're not performing as they're expected to or pay back money they've received?

It's simple, Marshall should play as well as he possibly can play because he's still making good money and he's looking for that big pay day. Many later round choices blossom and wait for their payday patiently because that was the contract they signed, that was how they performed in college, and that's what teams evaluated them at.

I would say definitely give a contract similar to what Roddy White received, but make it incentive laden based on him keeping out of trouble.

Maybe he would have a new contract if he had kept out of trouble and tried to take a different approach this off season, maybe not. If he all of a sudden starts "playing like a 4th round pick," he will continue to receive 4th round money because no one will want to pay him. End of story, dumbest argument I've ever heard.

Maybe the dumbest thing you have heard of.....put it doesn't mean it wont happen! In fact it has already happen. You only need to look at how Randy Moss played while at Oakland. Yet look where Moss ended up with the NE and it did not affect how much he was paid.