Nixon Scumbaggery vs. Kennedy Comes Out

[Rohirrim]

"Do you have anybody in the Secret Service that you can get to?" Nixon asked his aide John Ehrlichman in a stark series of Oval Office conversations about Kennedy before the 1972 election. "Yeah, yeah," Ehrlichman replied.

"Plant one," Nixon said. "Plant two guys on him. This could be very useful."

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Nixon made clear that the Secret Service protection afforded Kennedy before the 1972 election would be rescinded after. Then, said the president, "If he gets shot, it's too damn bad." His aides disdainfully referred to Kennedy supporters as "super swinger jet set types."

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Good ole Tricky Dick. He's an American hero! Ha!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/28/nixon-dug-deep-for-dirt-o_n_271012.html

[Rohirrim]

Despite that episode, Nixon was plainly worried about Kennedy's political potency yet confident the Democrat could not restrain a philandering impulse. "I predict something more is going to happen," he said. "The reason I would cover him is from a personal standpoint – you're likely to find something."

Nixon pressed for more wiretaps and a combing of tax records, not only on Kennedy but other leading Democrats. "I could only hope that we are, frankly, doing a little persecuting," he said.

I guess the general idea of democracy never quite sank in with Tricky Dick. :rofl:

He was more cut out to rule East Berlin.

[Smiling Assassin27]

From one scumbag to another, it seems...

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[footstepsfrom#27]

I do a great Tricky Dick impression. I can also do Carter, Clinton, Bush 41, and a near perfect Reagan. I can't do GWB for some reason.

Nixon was a supreme ass.

[Rohirrim]

From one scumbag to another, it seems...

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I was thinking you'd be outraged at a POTUS ordering illegal wiretaps and combing the tax records of his political rivals. Guess when it's "your" side, it's alright. :thumbsup:

[Garcia Bronco]

I do a great Tricky Dick impression. I can also do Carter, Clinton, Bush 41, and a near perfect Reagan. I can't do GWB for some reason.

Nixon was a supreme ass.

And then some. People forget that if you opposed him he would have you labeled a communist and try to give you the business. a ********** of the first order.

[Smiling Assassin27]

I was thinking you'd be outraged at a POTUS ordering illegal wiretaps and combing the tax records of his political rivals. Guess when it's "your" side, it's alright. :thumbsup:


There's enough outrage to do both, of course. Nixon is not now, nor was he ever on 'my side'. Your incessant need to put everyone into an 'us' and 'them' compartment often clouds your judgment. My last post more than accounted for Nixon being a scumbag, you must've just glossed over it in your haste to stick me in an 'us' or 'them' again.

Nixon, Kennedy (one, or all three+), and the vast majority of those who currently reside on Pennsylvania Avenue and plant their arses in chairs at the Capitol fall under the banner of scumbag.

I'll expect, but not await your next misplaced 'Rightard, Right Wing, you, them, and us' response.

[Arkie]

Politicians are scumbag lying crooks. Why pick either side? None of them are on your side.

[Rohirrim]

There's enough outrage to do both, of course. Nixon is not now, nor was he ever on 'my side'. Your incessant need to put everyone into an 'us' and 'them' compartment often clouds your judgment. My last post more than accounted for Nixon being a scumbag, you must've just glossed over it in your haste to stick me in an 'us' or 'them' again.

Nixon, Kennedy (one, or all three+), and the vast majority of those who currently reside on Pennsylvania Avenue and plant their arses in chairs at the Capitol fall under the banner of scumbag.

I'll expect, but not await your next misplaced 'Rightard, Right Wing, you, them, and us' response.

Well then, I apologize. Based on your previous posts on here I figured you for somebody pretty firmly situated in the GOP camp. You've always come across before as a defender of the Right. Perhaps experience is making you more fair and balanced? I don't agree that everybody in Washington is scumbags, although there sure are a lot of them. I think the K Street System is doing more to destroy this country than any other single factor.

[epicSocialism4tw]

From one scumbag to another, it seems...

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That's pretty well disgusting.

http://firstfriday.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/ted-kennedy-chappaquiddick.jpg

[DivineBronco]

hmmmm will we get to hear from our resident Nixon historian????

[TexanBob]

Well, let's not forget that in 1960 Nixon ran against JFK. I don't care how it gets glossed over, enemies are made when two sides run for the same office. I'm sure the Kennedys gave as well as they got when it came to dirty tricks.

Hoover, BTW, was next door neighbors with LBJ. If Johnson wanted dirt, he just had to walk across the lawn.

[Dukes]

hmmmm will we get to hear from our resident Nixon historian????

I was wondering the same thing

[TexanBob]

Kennedy-KGB collaboration (http://washingtontimes.com/news/2006/oct/27/20061027-084248-4386r/)

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, many of the KGB's documents were revealed to the public. In a 1983 letter, Ted Kennedy pleads with the Soviet Union (then led by Yuri Andropov) to help him defeat Reagan in 1984 so he could run for president in 1988.

Yes, Teddy hooks up with the commies to try to put Democrats in charge.

It's blasphemy that this person is going to be buried at Arlington National Cemetary, where actual heroes who died defending this country are laid to rest.

[Rohirrim]

Kennedy-KGB collaboration (http://washingtontimes.com/news/2006/oct/27/20061027-084248-4386r/)

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, many of the KGB's documents were revealed to the public. In a 1983 letter, Ted Kennedy pleads with the Soviet Union (then led by Yuri Andropov) to help him defeat Reagan in 1984 so he could run for president in 1988.

Yes, Teddy hooks up with the commies to try to put Democrats in charge.

It's blasphemy that this person is going to be buried at Arlington National Cemetary, where actual heroes who died defending this country are laid to rest.

So, we've got the testimony of a KGB agent and Sun Myung Moon that this is true? I'm sorry, but this level of despicable defamation requires a higher standard of proof than that.

Fortunately, when it comes to Nixon's violations of law and secret police tactics, we have much more. We have his own words.

[TexanBob]

So, we've got the testimony of a KGB agent and Sun Myung Moon that this is true?

Well, you started this thread with crap from the Zsa Zsa Post, started by a skanky ditz that turned her husband into a fag and then took his money.

Yeah, lots of credibility there, like this slut (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/melissa-lafsky/the-footnote-speaks-what_b_270298.html) that thinks Mary Jo Kopechne would have thought drowning in Teddy's car was "worth it" to help Kennedy's career.

Tell me, Roh, would you have drowned in Teddy's car just to help his political career? :egbgb:

[Rohirrim]

Well, you started this thread with crap from the Zsa Zsa Post, started by a skanky ditz that turned her husband into a fag and then took his money.

Yeah, lots of credibility there, like this slut (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/melissa-lafsky/the-footnote-speaks-what_b_270298.html) that thinks Mary Jo Kopechne would have thought drowning in Teddy's car was "worth it" to help Kennedy's career.

Tell me, Roh, would you have drowned in Teddy's car just to help his political career? :egbgb:

What a sweet sentiment, and nicely phrased as well. Of course, we actually have the tapes of Nixon's own words. What have you got but the ravings of some fascist Korean cultist?

[SoCalBronco]

So?

He's just trying to catch him cheating on his wife. It's political espionage. You fight fire with fire. He was on the other end of their largess 12 years earlier. Since I don't see you biatching about that, you've waived the right to complain.

Yawn.

Spare me the self righteous hypocrisy.

[Rohirrim]

So?

He's just trying to catch him cheating on his wife. It's political espionage. You fight fire with fire. He was on the other end of their largess 12 years earlier. Since I don't see you biatching about that, you've waived the right to complain.

Yawn.

Spare me the self righteous hypocrisy.

He was the president, placing illegal wiretaps on political rivals. Give me a break.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Well, you started this thread with crap from the Zsa Zsa Post, started by a skanky ditz that turned her husband into a fag and then took his money.

Yeah, lots of credibility there, like this slut (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/melissa-lafsky/the-footnote-speaks-what_b_270298.html) that thinks Mary Jo Kopechne would have thought drowning in Teddy's car was "worth it" to help Kennedy's career.

Tell me, Roh, would you have drowned in Teddy's car just to help his political career? :egbgb:

Wow.

Still, ignorance doesn't preclude a right to wonder. So it doesn't automatically make someone (aka, me) a Limbaugh-loving, aerial-wolf-hunting NRA troll for asking what Mary Jo Kopechne would have had to say about Ted's death, and what she'd have thought of the life and career that are being (rightfully) heralded.

Who knows -- maybe she'd feel it was worth it

Ahhh...so such a woman should be proud that her death at the hands of this drunken coward with a silver spoon big enough to keep him out of prison served as "just a footnote" in the Kennedy story?

These people actually write this stuff?

Unbelievable.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Henry Rollins wonders where Mary Jo Kopeochne's Eulogy is in all this:
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2009/08/wheres-mary-jo-kopechnes-eulogy.html

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

....this drunken coward with a silver spoon big enough to keep him out of prison...

Hey - I thought we weren't supposed to mention Bush anymore. :wave:

[epicSocialism4tw]

Hey - I thought we weren't supposed to mention Bush anymore. :wave:

Thats all you got? Dont you have about 70 cartoons and long articles by fake journalists to post here to derail this thread?

How can you defend that Huffington Post twit who argued that Kopoechne's injust death was justified because Kennedy got to have a career?

It truly brings to the fore the ethical bankruptcy of the left. Killing your innocent fling and covering it up is all good as long as you get to accomplish goals for the left.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Thats all you got? Dont you have about 70 cartoons and long articles by fake journalists to post here to derail this thread?

How can you defend that Huffington Post twit who argued that Kopoechne's injust death was justified because Kennedy got to have a career?

It truly brings to the fore the ethical bankruptcy of the left. Killing your innocent fling and covering it up is all good as long as you get to accomplish goals for the left.

Oh oh - looks like somebody didn't appreciate my mentioning the whole glass houses/throwing stones thing. Ha!

But feel free to go on working yourself into a fervor of self-righteous, Jesus-based rage over an accidental death while turning a blind eye to the large-scale slaughter of innocents committed by the thugs in your own party.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Oh oh - looks like somebody didn't appreciate my mentioning the whole glass houses/throwing stones thing. Ha!

But feel free to go on working yourself into a fervor of self-righteous, Jesus-based rage over an accidental death while turning a blind eye to the large-scale slaughter of innocents committed by the thugs in your own party.

It was an accident, sure. An accident caused by Kennedy's negligence first by driving his car completely trashed out of his gourd with a passenger and crashing it into the Chappiquiddick, and secondly by fleeing the scene to let the girl die while he sobered up.

It was an accident that Kennedy was 100% responsible for.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

It was an accident, sure. An accident caused by Kennedy's negligence first by driving his car completely trashed out of his gourd with a passenger and crashing it into the Chappiquiddick, and secondly by fleeing the scene to let the girl die while he sobered up.

It was an accident that Kennedy was 100% responsible for.

I'm not going to deny any of the above.

What's morally repugnant to me, however, is your eagerness and complete lack of inhibition when it comes to condemning a man like TK for these actions/omissions while turning a blind eye (and quite often even defending) much more heinous actions among your own ranks.

This is where it becomes crystal clear that your "moral outrage" is politically motivated and nothing more.