White House quietly euthanizes flag@whitehouse.gov

[tnedator]

With careful end of life consultation, flag@whitehouse.gov has been euthanized:

August 17, 2009 3:18 PM
W.H. Pulls Plug on E-Mail Asking For "Fishy" Reports
Posted by Declan McCullagh

On August 4, White House aide Macon Phillips announced the launch of flag@whitehouse.gov, which encouraged Americans to report "fishy" information related to the the Obama health care proposal. Phillips' announcement was titled "Facts Are Stubborn Things."

Well, so is public opinion, as the White House acknowledged on Monday by quietly pulling the plug on the flag@whitehouse.gov e-mail address.

Messages sent there are now bounced back with this response:
[flag@whitehouse.gov]: host mailhub-wh2.whitehouse.gov[63.161.169.140] said: 550 5.2.1 [flag@whitehouse.gov]... The email address you just sent a message to is no longer in service.We are now accepting your feedback about health insurance reform via:http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck (in reply to RCPT TO command
The "Reality Check" Web page on WhiteHouse.gov doesn't encourage reporting misinformation to Washington, D.C.; instead, it features some videos about President Obama's proposal. There is an option to submit comments, but the Web form stresses "Please refrain from submitting any individual's personal information, including their email address, without their permission."

That's almost the opposite of the original flag@whitehouse.gov program, which had no obvious privacy safeguards -- and which became the focus of spirited criticism over the last two weeks.

Read rest of the story at: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/08/17/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5247317.shtml

[Bronx33]

taddletail.com is dead geeee i wonder why, could it be they didn't think that hitler-ish program through? noooooooooooooo it couldn't be that. All i know is i really don't like obama and how he let's his minions emplement programs with zero thought on the future ramifications. Just imagine if they handled bills they think up that way and tried to cram them through legislation real fast.

[Dukes]

taddletail.com is dead geeee i wonder why, could it be they didn't think that hitler-ish program through? noooooooooooooo it couldn't be that. All i know is i really don't like obama and how he let's his minions emplement programs with zero thought on the future ramifications. Just imagine if they handled bills they think up that way and tried to cram them through legislation real fast.

Like the stimulus bill?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Wow.

I expected the Obama admin to struggle through some hiccups (seeing as Obama has zero executive experience), but this is ridiculous.

[Rigs11]

Yeah because the rightards aren't making up fishy lies and scaring the hell out of the senior citizens. Yep they haven't been screaming about euthanasia and death panels.Then you have you have your gop leaders simply making shet up, then getting caught on their lies. I've figured out the rightard strategy though, go out an make up ridiculous lies as long as you can before someone calls you out on them, then denounce what you said. By then the sheep will already have this misinformation ingrained in their little brains and will be screaming it at town hall meetings. You rightards are pathetic human beings.Congratulations on defeating healthcare reform again.You must be proud.



The Plum LineGreg Sargent's blog
House GOP Leader Vows To Stop Spreading Health Care Falsehood After Local Paper Busts Him

GOP Rep. Roy Blunt of Missouri has promised to stop spreading a health care falsehood that’s been widely bandied about on the right after his local paper fact-checked his claim and called him out for fibbing.

Blunt claimed to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that he wouldn’t be able to get his hip replaced in countries with socialized medicine, prompting the paper to respond aggressively in an editorial:

Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Springfield, knows a thing or two about health care. But some of what he knows just isn’t true.

“I’m 59,” Mr. Blunt said last week during a meeting with Post-Dispatch reporters and editors. “In either Canada or Great Britain, if I broke my hip, I couldn’t get it replaced.”

We fact-checked that. At least 63 percent of hip replacements performed in Canada last year and two-thirds of those done in England were on patients age 65 or older. More than 1,200 in Canada were done on people older than 85.

In a subsequent conversation with the paper, Blunt claimed: “I’m glad you pointed that out to me. I won’t use that example any more.”

The kicker: Blunt, as it happens, is the head of the House GOP Health Care Solutions Group, something Dems are likely to seize on in the context of his new admission of, er, error.

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/political-media/house-gop-leader-vows-to-stop-spreading-health-care-falsehood-after-local-paper-busts-him/

[tnedator]

So, he made an error, and when called on it, lived up to it and said he wouldn't do it again. Something not many Democrats or Republicans will do.

Out of curiosity, did President Obama correct his 'mistake' when he stated that a surgeon would get $30,000-$50,000 for amputating an diabetics leg, when the real amount is $500-$1000?

I'm just curious, since we know the health care false statements, whether accidental or intentional, are happening on both sides of the aisle, I would assume that President Obama upon realizing his big mistake (not even addressing this being the second time he insinuated doctors do unnecessary surgeries for money) would have realized it was a 'teachable' moment, and at his next Town Hall/public event explained his mistake and unintentional misinformation.

Anyone know if he did that? Surely, he did.

[epicSocialism4tw]

So, he made an error, and when called on it, lived up to it and said he wouldn't do it again. Something not many Democrats or Republicans will do.

Out of curiosity, did President Obama correct his 'mistake' when he stated that a surgeon would get $30,000-$50,000 for amputating an diabetics leg, when the real amount is $500-$1000?

I'm just curious, since we know the health care false statements, whether accidental or intentional, are happening on both sides of the aisle, I would assume that President Obama upon realizing his big mistake (not even addressing this being the second time he insinuated doctors do unnecessary surgeries for money) would have realized it was a 'teachable' moment, and at his next Town Hall/public event explained his mistake and unintentional misinformation.

Anyone know if he did that? Surely, he did.

Obama has handled this whole issue like an amatueur...I would expect him to do the same with most issues in the future.

[tnedator]

Obama has handled this whole issue like an amatueur...I would expect him to do the same with most issues in the future.

I'm just wondering if Rigs holds the POTUS to the same standards that he holds a Republican congressman. I would assume he expects MORE from the POTUS, but I would like to hear from him on this subject.

[Rigs11]

So, he made an error, and when called on it, lived up to it and said he wouldn't do it again. Something not many Democrats or Republicans will do.

Out of curiosity, did President Obama correct his 'mistake' when he stated that a surgeon would get $30,000-$50,000 for amputating an diabetics leg, when the real amount is $500-$1000?

I'm just curious, since we know the health care false statements, whether accidental or intentional, are happening on both sides of the aisle, I would assume that President Obama upon realizing his big mistake (not even addressing this being the second time he insinuated doctors do unnecessary surgeries for money) would have realized it was a 'teachable' moment, and at his next Town Hall/public event explained his mistake and unintentional misinformation.

Anyone know if he did that? Surely, he did.

He meant that the whole procedure costs between 30 and 50 thousand. With the hospitals getting most of the money. Blunts comment was a straight up lie.


http://www.amputee-coalition.org/fact_sheets/diabetes_leamp.html#ref2

[tnedator]

He meant that the whole procedure costs between 30 and 50 thousand. With the hospitals getting most of the money. Blunts comment was a straight up lie.


http://www.amputee-coalition.org/fact_sheets/diabetes_leamp.html#ref2

He didn't SAY it was the whole procedure cost. He said, a doctor only gets maybe a pittance for counseling a diabetic on proper diet an how to save his foot, but the surgeon gets 30k-50k to amputate that foot.

Now, it may be that the TOTAL cost is 30-50k, but that isn't what he said. Like when he said many doctors will cut out a small child's tonsils, rather than give them an antibiotic, because they make more money cutting out a child's tonsils, he again insinuated that doctors are doing unnecessary surgical procedures to make more money.

In this case, he made a VERY clear distinction between being paid a pittance to teach them how to save the leg, or being paid 50k to cut it off, leaving the listener with "ohhh, it's like the tonsils, the cut it off because they make so much more money".

Just like I don't know if the Obama made a mistake or it was deliberate, you don't know if the congressman made a mistake (or was misinformed) or it was deliberate. Like the Democratic senator that took heat for being on a cell phone during her town hall meeting, when she was calling the hot line that was setup to help the democratic senators and congressmen answer questions about the waxman bill, because they don't have a clue what's in it, it is very possible that this congressman really believed it.

It's very possible that Obama made an 'honest' mistake, and wasn't trying to put doctors in a bad light again, like he did with the tonsils.

So, again, since Obama clearly mislead the American public, whether by accident or intentionally, do you hold him to the same standard and expect him to publicly correct his mistake.

[Rigs11]

He didn't SAY it was the whole procedure cost. He said, a doctor only gets maybe a pittance for counseling a diabetic on proper diet an how to save his foot, but the surgeon gets 30k-50k to amputate that foot.

Now, it may be that the TOTAL cost is 30-50k, but that isn't what he said. Like when he said many doctors will cut out a small child's tonsils, rather than give them an antibiotic, because they make more money cutting out a child's tonsils, he again insinuated that doctors are doing unnecessary surgical procedures to make more money.

In this case, he made a VERY clear distinction between being paid a pittance to teach them how to save the leg, or being paid 50k to cut it off, leaving the listener with "ohhh, it's like the tonsils, the cut it off because they make so much more money".

Just like I don't know if the Obama made a mistake or it was deliberate, you don't know if the congressman made a mistake (or was misinformed) or it was deliberate. Like the Democratic senator that took heat for being on a cell phone during her town hall meeting, when she was calling the hot line that was setup to help the democratic senators and congressmen answer questions about the waxman bill, because they don't have a clue what's in it, it is very possible that this congressman really believed it.

It's very possible that Obama made an 'honest' mistake, and wasn't trying to put doctors in a bad light again, like he did with the tonsils.

So, again, since Obama clearly mislead the American public, whether by accident or intentionally, do you hold him to the same standard and expect him to publicly correct his mistake.I''l hold him accountable, he misspoke and he should clarify his statement. The right is doing it on a regular basis though through fear and straight out lies. If you can't see the difference than you are too far gone.

[epicSocialism4tw]

He didn't SAY it was the whole procedure cost. He said, a doctor only gets maybe a pittance for counseling a diabetic on proper diet an how to save his foot, but the surgeon gets 30k-50k to amputate that foot.

Now, it may be that the TOTAL cost is 30-50k, but that isn't what he said. Like when he said many doctors will cut out a small child's tonsils, rather than give them an antibiotic, because they make more money cutting out a child's tonsils, he again insinuated that doctors are doing unnecessary surgical procedures to make more money.

In this case, he made a VERY clear distinction between being paid a pittance to teach them how to save the leg, or being paid 50k to cut it off, leaving the listener with "ohhh, it's like the tonsils, the cut it off because they make so much more money".

Just like I don't know if the Obama made a mistake or it was deliberate, you don't know if the congressman made a mistake (or was misinformed) or it was deliberate. Like the Democratic senator that took heat for being on a cell phone during her town hall meeting, when she was calling the hot line that was setup to help the democratic senators and congressmen answer questions about the waxman bill, because they don't have a clue what's in it, it is very possible that this congressman really believed it.

It's very possible that Obama made an 'honest' mistake, and wasn't trying to put doctors in a bad light again, like he did with the tonsils.

So, again, since Obama clearly mislead the American public, whether by accident or intentionally, do you hold him to the same standard and expect him to publicly correct his mistake.


I have never known a doctor to decide to remove tonsils instead of treating an infection. I'm pretty sure that this kind of statement is hyperbole, which is embarrassing coming from the President. In fact, every time I have seen a pediatrician deal with chronic tonsilitis, the common course of treatment is to begin the battery of antibiotics, etc, and to avoid removing tonsils. The data does not favor tonsil removal anymore.

The thing about the cellphone and the hotline is hilarous. Talk about embarrassing!

[Rigs11]

I have never known a doctor to decide to remove tonsils instead of treating an infection. I'm pretty sure that this kind of statement is hyperbole, which is embarrassing coming from the President. In fact, every time I have seen a pediatrician deal with chronic tonsilitis, the common course of treatment is to begin the battery of antibiotics, etc, and to avoid removing tonsils. The data does not favor tonsil removal anymore.

The thing about the cellphone and the hotline is hilarous. Talk about embarrassing!

Yeah doctors never perform unnecessary surgeries to make money. You should do some research before you post.embarrassing really.

http://www.naturalnews.com/012291.html

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Excessive_surgeries_swell_Medicare_costs_in_United _States

[tnedator]

I''l hold him accountable, he misspoke and he should clarify his statement. The right is doing it on a regular basis though through fear and straight out lies. If you can't see the difference than you are too far gone.

Ok, now you are back to the standard liberal argument of moral equivalence. It's ok for the President to do it, because Bush did it, or because Republicans do it.

Now, didn't President Obama run on Hope and Change? Doing things in Washington differently?

In addition, the President should be held to a MUCH higher standard than a congressman is. a MUCH higher standard. Not be given a pass on outright lies.

Yeah doctors never perform unnecessary surgeries to make money. You should do some research before you post.embarrassing really.

http://www.naturalnews.com/012291.html

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Excessiv..._United_States

Now, as to the tonsillectomy, even one of the articles you provided (from an anti-drug, anti-medical procedure, anti-western medicine website) refers to the unnecessary removal of tonsils as a thing of the past.

The president talked about it on his ABC infomercial a couple months ago and said doctors did it to make more money, just like he did with the amputation.

While the articles you provided are far from 'proof', what is most disturbing is the ongoing trend where Obama disciples don't hold him accountable for anything he does.

[Rohirrim]

OM argument:


You're like Hitler.


No. You're more like Hitler.


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Nazi.


You're the ****ing nazi.


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**** you.


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Nazi.


****ing Nazi.


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