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meangene
08-15-2009, 03:30 AM
Here are a few of my observations:

I have been a huge supporter of Orton up until last night. Two of the three INT's were just bonehead throws. Also, the difference in arm strength between he and Simms was palpable. Simms really opened up the field with some deep throws. Simms deserves more reps with the first team and more of an opportunity to win the job. Let's see what he can do with, and against, the first teams.

Hillis is our best RB and should be at least splitting the carries in our typical one back set. He is a special talent. Beyond him and Moreno we don't have anything special at RB.

Moreno's injury was just one of those fluke things - nobody's fault. However, even I could see he was hurt after the second carry and he should have been taken out. Don't think that would have mattered though.

Lloyd and McKinley should both make the team at WR.

Much as I hate to admit it, we need Marshall back on the field.

Our defense is going to be much improved - way more sacks and turnovers this year.

I thought all of our starting front three had their moments but the best lineman on the field was Baker. He is a beast and should be starting by week 1 - and not because Fields is not playing well.

Where was Thomas? Did he even play? The dude just disappears in games. We have no depth at DE.

For all the preseason love and hype JMFW sucked last night. Missed tackles and got beaten in coverage. Smith is the better player.

Dawkins leadership will be a real key for the defense when he gets back on the field. We played two rookies a lot with the first team defense and their inexperience showed some. Where was Barrett?

We have got to get Woodyard on the field more. I don't care how small he is!

Smith and McKinley will both do well as return men and do a good job getting up the field quickly on returns.

Be patient folks. This is a brand new system, new players, and new coaches. It will take a little time for the depth chart to sort itself out and for the team to come together.

atomicbloke
08-15-2009, 03:35 AM
We will finish 3-13 and have a pick below #26 in the draft.... must be a record.... i have never been so depressed and drunk on a friday night.....

meangene
08-15-2009, 03:37 AM
We will finish 3-13 and have a pick below #26 in the draft.... must be a record.... i have never been so depressed and drunk on a friday night.....

Feel any better this morning? Ha! Color me stupid but I still remain cautiously optimistic.

OrangeRising
08-15-2009, 04:24 AM
Here are a few of my observations:

I have been a huge supporter of Orton up until last night. Two of the three INT's were just bonehead throws. Also, the difference in arm strength between he and Simms was palpable. Simms really opened up the field with some deep throws. Simms deserves more reps with the first team and more of an opportunity to win the job. Let's see what he can do with, and against, the first teams.

They are both stiffs and they aren't the future. The future left town. Now works in Chicago.

Hillis is our best RB and should be at least splitting the carries in our typical one back set. He is a special talent. Beyond him and Moreno we don't have anything special at RB.

Hillis will break down with the number of carries he will have to get because our QB's stink to high heaven.

Moreno's injury was just one of those fluke things - nobody's fault. However, even I could see he was hurt after the second carry and he should have been taken out. Don't think that would have mattered though.

Moreno represents the defensive player we could've had at 12. Now we have neither.

Lloyd and McKinley should both make the team at WR.

Who cares. Both are journeyman talents.

Much as I hate to admit it, we need Marshall back on the field.

Naw, now come on. *that* guy?

Our defense is going to be much improved - way more sacks and turnovers this year.

Yes, I could see that. It took San Francisco 5 six plays to score each time. Two or three had become something of a tradition.

I thought all of our starting front three had their moments but the best lineman on the field was Baker. He is a beast and should be starting by week 1 - and not because Fields is not playing well.

Baker looks good because the others around him suck wind.

Where was Thomas? Did he even play? The dude just disappears in games. We have no depth at DE.

Thomas played. I saw him make a nice whiff on a tackle more than once.

For all the preseason love and hype JMFW sucked last night. Missed tackles and got beaten in coverage. Smith is the better player.

Williams make a couple of good plays and a couple of bad plays. Smith made a couple of good plays and a couple of bad plays AND all he cost was a top ten draft choice and possible future franchise QB. A steal.


Dawkins leadership will be a real key for the defense when he gets back on the field. We played two rookies a lot with the first team defense and their inexperience showed some. Where was Barrett?

Dawkins may never get back on the field if some of the reports about the seriousness of his hand injury can be taken seriously. 'Where was Barrett?' is a question that answers itself.

Smith and McKinley will both do well as return men and do a good job getting up the field quickly on returns.

And that is what a top ten, top five draft choice should do, along with intercept every pass, make every tackle and serve drinks after the game.

Be patient folks. This is a brand new system, new players, and new coaches. It will take a little time for the depth chart to sort itself out and for the team to come together.

Oh, it's a new system alright. If the Broncos put up this kind of show in front of the home crowd, the players and coaches may have to cluster together in a circle at midfield just to stay alive.

SonOfLe-loLang
08-15-2009, 04:28 AM
Here are a few of my observations:

I have been a huge supporter of Orton up until last night. Two of the three INT's were just bonehead throws. Also, the difference in arm strength between he and Simms was palpable. Simms really opened up the field with some deep throws. Simms deserves more reps with the first team and more of an opportunity to win the job. Let's see what he can do with, and against, the first teams.

They are both stiffs and they aren't the future. The future left town. Now works in Chicago.

Hillis is our best RB and should be at least splitting the carries in our typical one back set. He is a special talent. Beyond him and Moreno we don't have anything special at RB.

Hillis will break down with the number of carries he will have to get because our QB's stink to high heaven.

Moreno's injury was just one of those fluke things - nobody's fault. However, even I could see he was hurt after the second carry and he should have been taken out. Don't think that would have mattered though.

Moreno represents the defensive player we could've had at 12. Now we have neither.

Lloyd and McKinley should both make the team at WR.

Who cares. Both are journeyman talents.

Much as I hate to admit it, we need Marshall back on the field.

Naw, now come on. *that* guy?

Our defense is going to be much improved - way more sacks and turnovers this year.

Yes, I could see that. It took San Francisco 5 six plays to score each time. Two or three had become something of a tradition.

I thought all of our starting front three had their moments but the best lineman on the field was Baker. He is a beast and should be starting by week 1 - and not because Fields is not playing well.

Baker looks good because the others around him suck wind.

Where was Thomas? Did he even play? The dude just disappears in games. We have no depth at DE.

Thomas played. I saw him make a nice whiff on a tackle more than once.

For all the preseason love and hype JMFW sucked last night. Missed tackles and got beaten in coverage. Smith is the better player.

Williams make a couple of good plays and a couple of bad plays. Smith made a couple of good plays and a couple of bad plays AND all he cost was a top ten draft choice and possible future franchise QB. A steal.


Dawkins leadership will be a real key for the defense when he gets back on the field. We played two rookies a lot with the first team defense and their inexperience showed some. Where was Barrett?

Dawkins may never get back on the field if some of the reports about the seriousness of his hand injury can be taken seriously. 'Where was Barrett?' is a question that answers itself.

Smith and McKinley will both do well as return men and do a good job getting up the field quickly on returns.

And that is what a top ten, top five draft choice should do, along with intercept every pass, make every tackle and serve drinks after the game.

Be patient folks. This is a brand new system, new players, and new coaches. It will take a little time for the depth chart to sort itself out and for the team to come together.

Oh, it's a new system alright. If the Broncos put up this kind of show in front of the home crowd, the players and coaches may have to cluster together in a circle at midfield just to stay alive.



Wow, why even get up in the morning

OrangeRising
08-15-2009, 04:30 AM
Because there are so many sunshine boys like you to make the world a smiley, happy place.

SonOfLe-loLang
08-15-2009, 04:32 AM
Here's are my main thoughts, in no particular order:

Outside of 3 plays (Orton's three pics), the broncos did not play a bad game. The D showed up, especially for it being their first game. They looked very aggressive, which is a far cry from last season.

Baker and McBean looked pretty good. 98 always seemed to be getting a push.

Orton does not throw a strong ball, but im willing to see how the rest of the preseason plays out before we kill him. In chicago, he didnt throw a ton of ints, so i'll take the wait and see approach. The first drive showed what the broncos are capable of and this was down without our top wideout or RB (Buckhalter will not be starting)

Tough break with Knowshon, hopefully its nothing major. Its no ones fault though.

Both lines looked pretty good. Special teams looked decent. As said, outside of the three pics, i saw plenty of signs for encouragement. People are forgetting that is the FIRST ****ING PRESEASON game with a new O AND D. ****in chill.

SonOfLe-loLang
08-15-2009, 04:33 AM
Because there are so many sunshine boys like you to make the world a smiley, happy place.

I have some advice for you:

There are these things in the world called women. Go find one willing to have sex with you. If you can't, pay for it.

OrangeRising
08-15-2009, 04:34 AM
Now see? You're already out of your depth. Try again sunshine.

OrangeRising
08-15-2009, 04:39 AM
For the record, those posts were made by my fiance. He is currently a very unhappy Bronco fan. I apologize for his acerbic tone, and don't agree with all of his comments. My apologies. I will keep closer watch on my laptop.

SonOfLe-loLang
08-15-2009, 04:41 AM
Now see? You're already out of your depth. Try again sunshine.

:thumbs: wow, good one.

meangene
08-15-2009, 04:45 AM
Forgot one:

Larsen should be given a long look at starting ILB vs. Davis or even D.J.

Rulon Velvet Jones
08-15-2009, 05:20 AM
For the record, those posts were made by my fiance. He is currently a very unhappy Bronco fan. I apologize for his acerbic tone, and don't agree with all of his comments. My apologies. I will keep closer watch on my laptop.

What the ****? Are you bipolar?

OrangeRising
08-15-2009, 05:26 AM
What the ****? Are you bipolar?

Please. Mike got up earlier than me and posted under my log-in. I asked him to get his own account, but he has done this more than once. I apologized. What do you want?

Dr. Broncenstein
08-15-2009, 05:37 AM
Please. Mike got up earlier than me and posted under my log-in. I asked him to get his own account, but he has done this more than once. I apologized. What do you want?

http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/cache/images/1224688306-641935-400x445-lol_wut.jpg

yerner
08-15-2009, 05:41 AM
I thought things went ok. I would say that Mcdaniels needs to let Hillis rest up for the season and give Lamont 'my legs are stuck in concrete' Jordan the garbage carries in the second halves. I don't think Hillis has anything left to prove, why tempt fate with injury.

Also, I really like the schemes on both offense and defense. Orton blows but I think he can move the ball and will get adequate. Lastly, my fellow Arizona alum Spencer Larsen is an animal and needs to start. He needs reps to get make his mistakes and get better.

chanesaw
08-15-2009, 05:47 AM
Everytime Orton threw a pass I thought I was going to fall asleep waiting on the ball to get there, and they were all short passes. I can only imagine how the receivers felt. The guy is a noodle arm, dink and dunk QB. This is going to be a long season, and we won't even be able to get Bradford or McCoy at the end of it.

Rabb
08-15-2009, 05:51 AM
I know it was a less than stellar performance from Orton but there were a lot of positives also overall that I am happy with

the biggest thing I learned is some of the people here are complete douche bags

footstepsfrom#27
08-15-2009, 05:53 AM
I haven't heard anything about Crowder or Ayers. Can somebody who watched the game on TV tell me what, if anything, either of them did?

Rulon Velvet Jones
08-15-2009, 05:56 AM
Please. Mike got up earlier than me and posted under my log-in. I asked him to get his own account, but he has done this more than once. I apologized. What do you want?

I want you to admit you're a nut.

DawnBTVS
08-15-2009, 06:07 AM
Things I took away...

- The first team defense was solid against the run for the most part (outside of the 15 yarder and 9 yard scramble on the first drive). Although they were a bit susceptible to the draw play. With that said, the defense also had 3 sacks. Very promising given last year's "effort" so it's good to see the D not only attacking but having some success.

- Orton's picks were troublesome... but he did lead the Broncos down the field in his first two drives. Pick 1 came when Denver was on the SF 4 yard line and pick 2 came at the SF 26 (IIRC). Pick 3 was just a great play by #30 on SF's side.

- Chris Simms looked sharp, as did Peyton Hillis. Simms' arm strength is definitely there, now it's just a question of whether he can maintain the accuracy/consistency from game to game. The running game overall, while not super wow, was consistent and solid from run to run for the most part. As a team, Denver had 28 carries for 110 yards with Hillis (and Walker, Moreno) standing out.

- The special teams! Alphonso Smith had a big 27 yard punt return to the Broncos 36-37 to set up great field position, and the punt team managed to down a Kern punt at the SF 11 before the half finished. Denver often had good starting field position (28, 37, 28, 39, and 47 were some of the starting fields drive wise) while forcing SF with slightly worse starting positions (22, 20, 11, 10, 18, and 5). Very promising to see the field position battle already being an improvement.

Dr. Broncenstein
08-15-2009, 06:14 AM
Woodyard + Larsen > DJ + (Davis or Haggans).

I hope that is the last time I have to watch Hillis lead blocking for Jordan.

Chris Baker needs some first team reps. He looked like a powerful two-gapper against the scrubs. They ran right over Fields.

Simms is the better quarterback. Footwork, improvisation, arm strength, and accuracy.... all visably superior to Orton.

Alphonso Smith is an explosive returner.

Orton completely **** the bed. Epic fail all around. Unfortunately for McD, he's married to this guy.

Lamont Jordan sucks.

It's going to be a long year.

JMFW sucks.

Hulamau
08-15-2009, 06:19 AM
Good post Meangene, though don't be too quick to give up on Orton. He has some work to do no question and it was a disappointing outing for him no doubt, but he did some good things as well and had a decent first drive. Plus, he was going against their first team corners and they are a lot better than what Simms went against in the second half.

Nevertheless, the last two INTs were all on him and inexcusable in the regular season. lets hope he gets that cleaned up asap in the next few games.

Bu lets give Orton a chance to regroup and come around the next few games and into the regular season and see if he does? I bet he plays better in the coming weeks. A lot of guys have stunk it up in one or two preseason games with new teams, and wound up having solid years.

McD is going to give Orton every chance to succeed as he should, but if it becomes obvious he just doesn't have it in him, McD will make the right choice and put the best guy in to give us a shot, and then the hunt begins for our franchise guy in 2010.

In the meantime, this is a Looong season and we have a number of positive signs as well to take from this game .. like Baker, McBean and McKinley. Its WAY too early to over-react as the predictable Nervous Nelly Brigade was so quick to do, and throw Orton and the team under the bus before the end of the first quarter. :spit: Ha!

footstepsfrom#27
08-15-2009, 06:23 AM
JMFW sucks.
I didn't see the game but he did have one apparently very impressive tackle on a 250 pound TE did he not?

Hulamau
08-15-2009, 06:24 AM
We will finish 3-13 and have a pick below #26 in the draft.... must be a record.... i have never been so depressed and drunk on a friday night.....

It shows ! :giggle:

Dr. Broncenstein
08-15-2009, 06:30 AM
Good post Meangene, though don't be too quick to give up on Orton. He has some work to do no question and it was a disappointing outing for him no doubt, but he did some good things as well and had a decent first drive. Plus, he was going against their first team corners and they are a lot better than what Simms went against in the second half.

Nevertheless, the last two INTs were all on him and inexcusable in the regular season. lets hope he gets that cleaned up asap in the next few games.

Bu lets give Orton a chance to regroup and come around the next few games and into the regular season and see if he does? I bet he plays better in the coming weeks. A lot of guys have stunk it up in one or two preseason games with new teams, and wound up having solid years.

McD is going to give Orton every chance to succeed as he should, but if it becomes obvious he just doesn't have it in him, McD will make the right choice and put the best guy in to give us a shot, and then the hunt begins for our franchise guy in 2010.

In the meantime, this is a Looong season and we have a number of positive signs as well to take from this game .. like Baker, McBean and McKinley. Its WAY too early to over-react as the predictable Nervous Nelly Brigade was so quick to do, and throw Orton and the team under the bus before the end of the first quarter. :spit: Ha!

Dude... 3 possessions, 3 interceptions. You can sing Kumbaya till your heart is content, but that was nothing short of a spectacular disaster. The only positive thing to be taken from Orton's performance was that his three turnovers weren't fumbled snaps.

backup qb
08-15-2009, 07:04 AM
2009 season motto: Return of the dink and dunk!! Was it Woody who nicknamed Griese Dink?

Gort
08-15-2009, 07:13 AM
Dude... 3 possessions, 3 interceptions. You can sing Kumbaya till your heart is content, but that was nothing short of a spectacular disaster. The only positive thing to be taken from Orton's performance was that his three turnovers weren't fumbled snaps.

that's absurd. you make it sound like Orton took 3 snaps on offense and all 3 were pass plays thrown directly to the defense.

Orton needs to get better in a hurry, but this isn't armageddon.

SonOfLe-loLang
08-15-2009, 07:17 AM
that's absurd. you make it sound like Orton took 3 snaps on offense and all 3 were pass plays thrown directly to the defense.

Orton needs to get better in a hurry, but this isn't armageddon.

Agreed. He did show some signs, but his arm just looks really weak out there. For the people who went to camp, was this typical?

He did a good job leading the broncos down the field the first drive and stupidly missed an open hillis in the endzone on the pick play. He looked nervous on the other two...inexcusable.

But, still, only the first preseason game

bpc
08-15-2009, 07:21 AM
Qb's looked solid outside of the three picks. This is a different offense now but we'll miss having a true talent at QB. Now we're relying on McDaniels system at QB like we were for Shanahan at HB. We'll see.

HB's looked average. The offense values HB's through committee. IMO we never should have drafted Knowshon with the #12. I've been saying that since January. He could end up being a good player, in all 3 phases of the game but he got nicked up a lot at Georgia and his running style and speed are not conducive to him staying healthy long enough to be a factor. His upright running style is the main problem. Bam, 3 plays into the preseason and he's down.

WR's should be very good in this offense. We are deep there. If only the QB's can get them the ball...

TE's won't get much love outside of blocking.

OL is great.

DL wasn't terrible. I think that McBean and Peterson looked solid and Fields was good enough. We won't truly know until the season though.

Doom will be a natural sack artist. He's gonna take time in the pass game though. I thought Davis did a good job yesterday. I've always been a fan of Larsen and I think he's primed to be very good in the 3-4 because the guy can tackle and he's underated as a pass rusher. Didn't see enough of Ayers to make an opinion.

I thought the DB's looked pretty good. I love the press coverage. That's easily my favorite.

It's a bumpy road but I see some talent out there. Unfortunately QB may be a big enough hole to sink any improvement we see on defense by giving opposing offenses short fields to work with.

Crushaholic
08-15-2009, 08:22 AM
2009 season motto: Return of the dink and dunk!! Was it Woody who nicknamed Griese Dink?

Last time we had "dink and dunk", we were in the playoffs. I'm just sayin'...

rugbythug
08-15-2009, 08:31 AM
Lets not act like Cutler never threw interceptions. He did this exact same thing all last season.

lostknight
08-15-2009, 08:42 AM
Simms really opened up the field with some deep throws. Simms deserves more reps with the first team and more of an opportunity to win the job. Let's see what he can do with, and against, the first teams.

:notthissh

McDaniels made a bad call giving Orton it outright. Even if Orton had won eventually won it, he might have a better handle on what Simms can do.


Lloyd and McKinley should both make the team at WR.

McKinley certainly. Not sold on Lloyd yet. Swift made a few plays as well, perhaps enough to ensure practice squad.

Our defense is going to be much improved - way more sacks and turnovers this year.


This and Simms made me happy. It felt that they were getting much more pressure coming down on them. The bad news is that it felt like the 49ers read our defense very well each play. The sellout blitz that we did was moronic. I hope that was a mistake.

But it just felt all game long like there was more mass coming then we've had before.


I thought all of our starting front three had their moments but the best lineman on the field was Baker. He is a beast and should be starting by week 1 - and not because Fields is not playing well.

Yes. He is starting to look like a special player.

Where was Thomas? Did he even play? The dude just disappears in games. We have no depth at DE.


That's what happens when you don't draft at DE, when you have needs there.

For all the preseason love and hype JMFW sucked last night. Missed tackles and got beaten in coverage. Smith is the better player.


Nothing new there. OMane has a history of hyping up players that probably are never anything.

lostknight
08-15-2009, 08:44 AM
Lets not act like Cutler never threw interceptions. He did this exact same thing all last season.

Ahh no he didn't. This revisionist crap is getting old.

Show me one game where he threw three picks in the first half without scoring a TD?

lostknight
08-15-2009, 08:46 AM
One thing I did notice - Alphonso Smith has the talent at CB, but got caught napping several times. I doubt he will start week 1.

broncogary
08-15-2009, 08:47 AM
One thing I did notice - Alphonso Smith has the talent at CB, but got caught napping several times. I doubt he will start week 1.

Probably not, but the talented ones make quick improvement right at the start.

meangene
08-15-2009, 09:01 AM
One thing I did notice - Alphonso Smith has the talent at CB, but got caught napping several times. I doubt he will start week 1.

I don't think it was ever the plan to start him week one. We have two very talented veteran starters. But, I think he will see significant time in the nickel this year before starting next year. I also think he will be big in the return game this year. That play he made to swat away that deep ball was special.

TheReverend
08-15-2009, 09:16 AM
5 star thread.

ScottXray
08-15-2009, 09:19 AM
Orton crapped the bed, and fell apart after the first pick. Cutler would throw a pick, but would shake it off and come right back solid. Orton got shakier and shakier, and was his own worst enemy. Problem there.

Simms looked better....McD gave Simms a better
set of plays and didn't throw as much at him to start out. Stuck to the run
at first and used it to set up the pass later, and it seemed to build Simms's confidence. Maybe Simms doesn't PRACTICE well? If Orton doesn't shake out of it he could be starting by 4th PS game.

Fields is garbage and got run over, run out of position, and hopefully Baker starts getting reps with the first string. The D-Line looked good otherwise, and got solid pressure. The all-out blitz that ended with the uncovered backs (TE?) TD was garbage. Thats why they have PS I guess.

LB play is a problem area as they had a hard time staying with the underneath routes and crosses....but the tackling all around is better.
Larsen needs to get on the field more.

Jordan looked S L O W. , except for one carry, and Hillis should have that position locked up. Buckhalter was better , but not impressive. Maybe Hillis doesn't PRACTICE as well and McD had to see GAME results, but Hillis is a special talent.

First string O-line looks good, gave Orton more than enough time, and protection, but run game needs a little tuning.

Moreno.....Damn injury jinx is still biting us. Hopefully he is okay and its just a strain, and not a tear anywhere.

Good News....
other than QB we look solid on O and should be even better when Marshall gets back on the field.

Defense is definitely showing signs of life. Starters got SF off the field and only gave up 3 points (I'm not counting the 6 yard "drive" that Orton gave them for the TD.) in the opening drive. Second and third strings also did well in the third quarter, and only gave up one TD and the 2 pointer in the 4th.

Special teams play is looking much better in coverage and returns. Prater didn't miss any kicks, but can't do on-sides kicks worth a damn.

Its PS. We have some time to work on the kinks.

Hamrob
08-15-2009, 10:21 AM
Another thing that we need to keep in mind is...we just played the stinking 49ers. They are a 500 team at best.

For the first preseason game, I thought overall there are a lot of positives:

Hillis
Smith
Dline
Oline
WR's
Secondary
Special Teams
Larsen
Simms

The negatives:

Moreno's injury
All the RB's accept for Hillis
Orton
LB's pass coverage

I think the reason we're all so concerned with Orton...is because his poor play clearly stood out the most. If Moreno ends up with a torn mcl/acl...our RB's are at best equal to the stable we had last year.

wandlc
08-15-2009, 11:06 AM
Things I took away...

- The first team defense was solid against the run for the most part (outside of the 15 yarder and 9 yard scramble on the first drive). Although they were a bit susceptible to the draw play. With that said, the defense also had 3 sacks. Very promising given last year's "effort" so it's good to see the D not only attacking but having some success.

-

You do realize that the D stopped a rookie RB who is trying to learn to run at the pro level in a new offensive system. I think it would have been different had F. Gore been running the ball.

TheReverend
08-15-2009, 11:13 AM
]You do realize that the D stopped a rookie RB[/B] who is trying to learn to run at the pro level in a new offensive system. I think it would have been different had F. Gore been running the ball.

When? He had only 1 rush for 0 yards or less, and average over 5 ypc.

PRBronco
08-15-2009, 11:19 AM
Maybe the folks with the razorblades to their wrists should remember what we learned after last year's first preseason game: Clady can't handle powerful DEs, and Ryan Harris is the worst tackle in the league.

How'd that work out for us again?

And to the fella asking about Ayers and Crowder on the first page, I didn't notice Crowder at all, but I think he was in with Moss at OLB for the last series or 2. Ayers didn't do anything, but he got a lot of reps, and didn't look terrible. You could see him battling with his guy, and trying different things, which is surprisingly refreshing to see after last season's "bull rush" debacle. Although I did see one bull rush from him and he drove the guy back fairly well.

TheReverend
08-15-2009, 11:21 AM
Maybe the folks with the razorblades to their wrists should remember what we learned after last year's first preseason game: Clady can't handle powerful DEs, and Ryan Harris is the worst tackle in the league.

How'd that work out for us again?

And to the fella asking about Ayers and Crowder on the first page, I didn't notice Crowder at all, but I think he was in with Moss at OLB for the last series or 2. Ayers didn't do anything, but he got a lot of reps, and didn't look terrible. You could see him battling with his guy, and trying different things, which is surprisingly refreshing to see after last season's "bull rush" debacle. Although I did see one bull rush from him and he drove the guy back fairly well.

Clady beat up Mario pretty good, actually, fyi.

Ryan Harris point is a good one

Bronco Yoda
08-15-2009, 11:21 AM
Our special teams did very well last night. It was good to see us play solid k/o and punt coverage. I'm pretty sure we won the battle of starting field position which is a rare thing for us to do the last few years.

broncogary
08-15-2009, 11:23 AM
Clady beat up Mario pretty good, actually, fyi.

Ryan Harris point is a good one

I thought Harris played pretty good in that game, he just kept jumping offside or lining up offside.

PRBronco
08-15-2009, 11:24 AM
Clady beat up Mario pretty good, actually, fyi.

Ryan Harris point is a good one

Did he? My bad, holy crap usually my memory works the other way, and I make the Broncos look better in the past.

DawnBTVS
08-15-2009, 12:00 PM
You do realize that the D stopped a rookie RB who is trying to learn to run at the pro level in a new offensive system. I think it would have been different had F. Gore been running the ball.

Probably but SF didn't have Frank Gore running the ball. I can only go by what I saw in the game, sorry.

When? He had only 1 rush for 0 yards or less, and average over 5 ypc.

Here's how Coffee did run to run. If you look at the overall, it was bad but there was more good than bad.
3 Yards
2 Yards
4 Yards
15 Yards*
-1 Yard
2 Yards
2 Yards
4 Yards
3 Yards
7 Yards*
2 Yards
8 Yards*
12 Yards*
4 Yards

So in 14 carries, he had 10 carries at 4 yards or less, which is pretty good for a team getting used to the 3-4 defense. Were they super stout playing against a top tier RB? No. But they did more good defending Coffee's running than they did bad.

bombquixote
08-15-2009, 12:37 PM
Agree with much that's been said here. Yay, improved D. Yay, improved special teams. Yay, O line and offensive talent/scheme generally.

Now...we have a real problem at QB. I don't mean the 3 picks, either. I was cringing before the first pick. Orton moved the offense down the field in 5-yard chunks--just like Griese used to do, move the offense up and down the field with lots of short plays. Here's the thing: I think Griese's arm was STRONGER than Orton's is. Orton throws the ball like it's a shotput. Lofty. Slow. Even when he seems to be playing well, he is not the answer.

Simms obviously has more talent. I grant that he was given a simpler scheme to work with and he was going against SF's scrubs. However (and as Doc Broncenstein already mentioned), he's far more athletic, has a much better arm, better movement and better downfield vision than Orton. He needs to be given a shot.

That said, I seriously doubt he's the long term answer. Something needs to happen at QB. I really hope McD isn't too prideful to see this.

But, you know, otherwise we look improved.

TheReverend
08-15-2009, 12:53 PM
Probably but SF didn't have Frank Gore running the ball. I can only go by what I saw in the game, sorry.



Here's how Coffee did run to run. If you look at the overall, it was bad but there was more good than bad.
3 Yards
2 Yards
4 Yards
15 Yards*
-1 Yard
2 Yards
2 Yards
4 Yards
3 Yards
7 Yards*
2 Yards
8 Yards*
12 Yards*
4 Yards

So in 14 carries, he had 10 carries at 4 yards or less, which is pretty good for a team getting used to the 3-4 defense. Were they super stout playing against a top tier RB? No. But they did more good defending Coffee's running than they did bad.

Remember last year's D?

We actually played great against the run something like 90% of the time, then we'd let a big one out. It caused a HILARIOUS post by Apa who called it the "Sex Panther Defense" (Anchorman reference).

So rationalize it all day... it's no different than last season's defense yet.

PS. Setting your standard at 4 yards (or less) is a poor place. 4 yards is still a first down every 3 runs...

fdf
08-15-2009, 01:15 PM
We will finish 3-13 and have a pick below #26 in the draft.... must be a record.... i have never been so depressed and drunk on a friday night.....

Can't be worse than the last time we played SF. Out of the playoffs and Williams is murdered that night.

fdf
08-15-2009, 01:17 PM
Here are a few of my observations:

I have been a huge supporter of Orton up until last night. Two of the three INT's were just bonehead throws. Also, the difference in arm strength between he and Simms was palpable. Simms really opened up the field with some deep throws. Simms deserves more reps with the first team and more of an opportunity to win the job. Let's see what he can do with, and against, the first teams.

They are both stiffs and they aren't the future. The future left town. Now works in Chicago.

Hillis is our best RB and should be at least splitting the carries in our typical one back set. He is a special talent. Beyond him and Moreno we don't have anything special at RB.

Hillis will break down with the number of carries he will have to get because our QB's stink to high heaven.

Moreno's injury was just one of those fluke things - nobody's fault. However, even I could see he was hurt after the second carry and he should have been taken out. Don't think that would have mattered though.

Moreno represents the defensive player we could've had at 12. Now we have neither.

Lloyd and McKinley should both make the team at WR.

Who cares. Both are journeyman talents.

Much as I hate to admit it, we need Marshall back on the field.

Naw, now come on. *that* guy?

Our defense is going to be much improved - way more sacks and turnovers this year.

Yes, I could see that. It took San Francisco 5 six plays to score each time. Two or three had become something of a tradition.

I thought all of our starting front three had their moments but the best lineman on the field was Baker. He is a beast and should be starting by week 1 - and not because Fields is not playing well.

Baker looks good because the others around him suck wind.

Where was Thomas? Did he even play? The dude just disappears in games. We have no depth at DE.

Thomas played. I saw him make a nice whiff on a tackle more than once.

For all the preseason love and hype JMFW sucked last night. Missed tackles and got beaten in coverage. Smith is the better player.

Williams make a couple of good plays and a couple of bad plays. Smith made a couple of good plays and a couple of bad plays AND all he cost was a top ten draft choice and possible future franchise QB. A steal.


Dawkins leadership will be a real key for the defense when he gets back on the field. We played two rookies a lot with the first team defense and their inexperience showed some. Where was Barrett?

Dawkins may never get back on the field if some of the reports about the seriousness of his hand injury can be taken seriously. 'Where was Barrett?' is a question that answers itself.

Smith and McKinley will both do well as return men and do a good job getting up the field quickly on returns.

And that is what a top ten, top five draft choice should do, along with intercept every pass, make every tackle and serve drinks after the game.

Be patient folks. This is a brand new system, new players, and new coaches. It will take a little time for the depth chart to sort itself out and for the team to come together.

Oh, it's a new system alright. If the Broncos put up this kind of show in front of the home crowd, the players and coaches may have to cluster together in a circle at midfield just to stay alive.



Did somebody pee in your orange juice this morning?

fdf
08-15-2009, 01:25 PM
Another thing that we need to keep in mind is...we just played the stinking 49ers. They are a 500 team at best. . . .

Like Buffalo last year?

Rashomon
08-15-2009, 02:12 PM
Orton does not throw a strong ball, but im willing to see how the rest of the preseason plays out before we kill him. In chicago, he didnt throw a ton of ints, so i'll take the wait and see approach. .

Yes, the reason that Orton didn't throw many picks in Chicago was because they realized his limitations, and kept him reigned in with a short passing game. The reason 70% of Orton's passes last year traveled less than 10 yards beyond the LOS was because he it terribly inaccurate beyond that. Orton defenders have passed that off as Chicago's coaches being afraid of the forward pass, but they know, as Denver will find out, that a QB with limitations can really hurt the offense.

BroncoMan4ever
08-15-2009, 02:30 PM
i tell you, if DJ wasn't on that mega contract, Woodyard would have taken his starting job by now, regardless of his size. he may be only 230lbs, but he plays like he is 6'2" and 250lbs.

also, that batted ball by Alphonso was awesome. i love how quick he caught back up to the play after nearly falling, and caught up enough to get his hand up to bat the ball away. had he not lost his footing, he would have picked that off.

barryr
08-15-2009, 02:52 PM
Simms also played against backups and guys that probably won't make the 49ers, so saying he performed better isn't a real shocker. One game does not make a season, especially a freaking preseason game. I knew the hystericals would have a field day, but would about anything anyway. Will they even root for Orton and the Broncos to do well or hope they don't so they can say "told you so" to people they don't know on a forum on the internet?

Anaximines
08-19-2009, 11:52 AM
Don't know if this has been posted but the 49ers press did a nice in-depth play-by-play write up of some of the game, mentioned a lot of Broncos players, etc.:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?&entry_id=45608

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?&entry_id=45778