Black crimes are foundation of whites’ fears

[broncofan7]

HAHAHA! Flame away:)

http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2009/08/06/opinion/doc4a7a5350b0103427090509.txt



By Paul Marx

BLACK intellectuals just don’t get it. They refuse to understand why there is widespread racial profiling and why they and people they know often are its victims. Black intellectuals simply refuse to acknowledge that there is a very obvious connection between themselves and the lawless black underclass.

In a recent essay in The New York Times, Brent Staples, a member of the newspaper’s editorial board, wrote, “The experience of being mistaken for a criminal is almost a rite of passage for African-American men. Security guards shadow us in stores. Troopers pull us over for the crime of ‘driving while black.’ Nighttime pedestrians cower by us on the streets.”

In expressing his disgust that the Harvard professor-Cambridge cop confrontation has not been seen generally as a flagrant instance of racial profiling, Times columnist Bob Herbert urges black people “to rant and to rave, to demonstrate and to lobby, to march and confront and to sue and generally do whatever is necessary to stop a continuing and deeply racist criminal justice outrage.”

The Harvard professor — Henry Louis Gates Jr. — and Staples and Herbert think the unfair treatment of blacks by the police is 100 percent the fault of white people. In the view of Staples, white people need to exorcise their “poisonous misconceptions.”

But, for racial profiling to go away, blacks, especially black intellectuals, need to remove their blinders. They need to see what whites see. They need to see and acknowledge the criminal lifestyle that is pervasive in the black underclass.

Young black men of the ghettoes take pride in carrying guns and have little respect for law. When they go outside their communities, the guns and attitudes are not left behind. In much of their music, they are out front, bragging about their lawlessness.

White people’s awareness of that criminal lifestyle creates fear, and that fear, unfortunately, becomes wariness of even law-abiding blacks.

Black crime is the most potent determiner today of white attitudes toward blacks. While the great majority of American blacks are not involved in criminal activity, the criminal lifestyle of young black men makes most whites fearful and suspicious. That is a great injustice, because among middle-class blacks, there is relatively little crime.

In many cities — New Haven, Hartford, Brooklyn, Baltimore, for instance — major hospitals are located on the edge of neighborhoods populated by the black underclass. When whites who work at the hospitals drive through those neighborhoods, they make sure their windows are up and doors are locked. Walking from the parking lot to the workplace is risky. In e-mails, medical students and hospital staff are informed of robberies and beatings by young black men. They are warned against walking alone.

If it is dangerous to “drive while black,” it is even more dangerous to walk while white in some neighborhoods. Driving while black may result in the indignity of a speeding ticket; walking while white could result in a fractured skull. LOL!

Staples has written about his walks near the University of Chicago. It upset him that when white women walking alone noticed him, they would try to avoid him, speeding up or crossing the street. He was befuddled about why a completely innocent black man should be avoided. Why couldn’t the women understand that he was Brent Staples, not some thug?

The other day, I was walking down a street and suddenly I saw three young black men coming toward me. My first reaction was “uh-oh.” I thought I might be attacked. When I wasn’t, I thought how unfair it was to think that.

But it is a typical reaction when a white person walks alone in a fringy neighborhood. Lawless young black men cause fear among whites, and it is not unnatural for whites to be suspicious of all blacks who fit the profile of the attackers. Would it be unnatural for the citizens of African cities — like Lagos, Nairobi or Harare — to be suspicious of white men if there were an epidemic among whites of robbings and beatings?

The American media have bent over backward to avoid identifying criminal perpetrators and suspects by race. But by names, addresses, education and criminal records, people easily jump to conclusions, and they usually are correct. They then generalize.

It may not be logical to do this, but for most people, generalizing comes as easily as eating. This is not fair to law-abiding blacks, but most white people would rather have an unfair thought than risk being hurt.

Paul Marx is professor emeritus of English at the University of New Haven, 300 Boston Post Road, West Haven 06516. E-mail: pppmarx@comcast.net.

[Bronx33]

Not sure what your alluding too but's heres some numbers to kick around.

http://www.white-history.com/usacrime.htm

[broncofan7]

Not sure what your alluding too but's heres some numbers to kick around.

http://www.white-history.com/usacrime.htm

the link you posted doesn't look very reputable. I posted this article as it contains some 'truths' to it--but I found the walking while white comment pretty damn funny.......

[Bronx33]

the link you posted doesn't look very reputable. I posted this article as it contains some 'truths' to it--but I found the walking while white comment pretty damn funny.......


How did i know you wouldn't accept the link provided :spit:

[Mr.Meanie]

I found the walking while white comment pretty damn funny.......

In those crime ridden urban ghetto areas, it's also dangerous to walk black, brown, yellow, or any other color you can dream of. It's dangerous to wear red or blue, it's dangerous to drive a semi-decent car - there's a lot of danger in those areas.

[broncofan7]

How did i know you wouldn't accept the link provided :spit:

umm--aren' t you usually attempting to DIS-prove the disproportionate criminal activity of AA's? from your link:

The average Black commits murder about 7.1 times more often than the average "White" (where "White" includes Hispanics etc.)

- The average Black commits interracial murder about 13.8 times more often than the average "White" (where "White: includes Hispanics etc.)

- The average Black kills a "White" 15.9 times more often than the reverse.

- Weapons violations are committed by Blacks at nearly 5 times the rate for Whites;

- Blacks are caught receiving or buying stolen property at nearly 5 times the rate for Whites;

- Blacks are involved in prostitution at almost 4 times the rate for Whites;

- Blacks are arrested for drug crimes at over 4 times the rate for Whites;

- Blacks are more than three times as likely as Whites to be caught at forgery, counterfeiting, and fraud, and almost three times as likely to be caught at embezzlement;

- Blacks are more than 3 times as likely to be thieves as Whites;

- Blacks are more than 4 times as likely to commit assault as Whites;

- Blacks are almost 4.5 times as likely to steal a motor vehicle;

- Blacks are more than 5 times as likely to commit forcible rape as Whites;

- Blacks are over 8 times as likely to commit murder as Whites;

- Blacks are more than 10 times as likely to commit robbery as Whites;

- Nearly 25% of all Black males between the ages of 20 and 29 are in jail or on probation - this does not include those wanted or awaiting trial;

- For all violent crimes considered together, Blacks are almost 5.5 times more likely to commit violent criminal acts than Whites; all this according to the FBI Uniform Crime Report.

How come none of you are willing to address this? ;)

[Mr.Meanie]

Man...you're pretty hung up on race, aren't you? What happened, a black guy stole your high school sweetheart, or mugged you in an alley or something?

[Dukes]

Isn't it African American now?

[NYBronco]

I'm European American but I consider myself American since I was born here.

[broncofan7]

Man...you're pretty hung up on race, aren't you? What happened, a black guy stole your high school sweetheart, or mugged you in an alley or something?

Wipe your chin--your PC daddy just had his way with you again.........

[peacepipe]

by your logic,I should carry a gun with me and shoot the first white guy I see, odds are I'll be able to claim self defense cause they'll either be a domestic terrorist or a serial killer. hell for that matter maybe even a child molester.

[watermock]

According to the Rev, 52% of statistics are made up "on the spot".

[El Minion]

Man...you're pretty hung up on race, aren't you? What happened, a black guy stole your high school sweetheart, or mugged you in an alley or something?

Jungle fever

[orinjkrush]

blacks think about race 95% of the time.
whites think about race 05% of the time.

I have no idea what % of the time Asians, Hispanics, jews, antarticans, dwarfs, and lilliputians think about race.

[footstepsfrom#27]

So crime is higher in the inner city where people are trapped in poverty? Wow...that's some amazing news...glad you've pointed this out. I guess this was supposed to be some kind of ground breaking information you've stumbled accross? Of course you have tried to make this point dozens of times in here, often with extremely poor logic. I have no question that you have some serious hate for black people because this topic consumes your constant attention.

A look at what he's saying:
BLACK intellectuals just don’t get it. They refuse to understand why there is widespread racial profiling and why they and people they know often are its victims. Black intellectuals simply refuse to acknowledge that there is a very obvious connection between themselves and the lawless black underclass.
False. No black man I have EVER met does not understand why they are frequently linked to fear and criminal behavior. This statement betrays either extreme ignorance or extreme intellectual dishonesty on the part of the writer.
But, for racial profiling to go away, blacks, especially black intellectuals, need to remove their blinders. They need to see what whites see. They need to see and acknowledge the criminal lifestyle that is pervasive in the black underclass.
Citing the Gates case is mind numbling as an examnple for this given that we now know that not only were the police not told a black man was involved, they also were shown that the slightly built, 58 year old black man with suitcases and a cane they were confronting was the resident. NOTHING about Gates could have possibly caused trained law enforcement officers to mistake him for a criminal other than his race, and when cops use race as the overwhelming consideration in their treatment of blacks, by legal definition it is racial profiling. The fact that Gates did not remotely resemble the young ghetto thugish crimminal did not stop them. Marx makes an absurdly racist point in suggesting that
Young black men of the ghettoes take pride in carrying guns and have little respect for law. When they go outside their communities, the guns and attitudes are not left behind. In much of their music, they are out front, bragging about their lawlessness.
For starters, this asswipe indicts ALL young black men in the underclass with this statement. Notice he uses no qualifyers like "some", "many", or even "most"...no, for him it's easy to say "young black men of the ghettos" are criminals...all of them. The truth is there are huge numbers of young black men who live in fear of the very people they live around and are not participants in gangs or criminal acts. Second, it's easy to identify the problem...nobody disputes that the ghetto is dangerous, that young black men are the chief arcitects of criminal acts there, or that whites (and other blacks) have reason to fear these people. But how dissapointing for a PhD to ignore the obvious; that these ghettos are a product of what WE helped create with generations of neglect and abuse. It's as if he has no comprehension that crime is ALWAYS highly corelated with poverty and hopelessness found in the inner city. Marx clearly thinks this happens in a vaccum. I suggest that it's not black people, let alone black intellectuals...that need to "see this like white people", but white people that need to see this like black people. To solve any daunting social problem requires the ability to think outside the racial, socio-economic box most people are trapped in. The responsibility for that falls largely on the majority population because more than anyone else, we have the power to do something on a macro level about these problems. Black people can take individual responsibility for their kids and neighborhoods, but until we as a larger society start thinking of this as an affliction that fellow Americans are suffering instead of "black people", then we will not solve these issues or make any real progress. Since our forebearers were the originators of these problems, it falls to us to do something to reverse the impact and help clean up the mess they left. It needs to be a joint effort between both black and white communities, but white's have to be willing to do some serious shifting in how they look at these issues since we control most of the tools to make a difference; wealth, power and the ballot box.
White people’s awareness of that criminal lifestyle creates fear, and that fear, unfortunately, becomes wariness of even law-abiding blacks.
This excuse is really more plausible for the 1960's or '70's when few whites had any real contact at all with black people in any way. Prior to the 80's most whites in the suburbs could go their entires lives and never talk to black people more than a dozen times. They lived in white neighborhoods, attended all white schools, worked almost entirely with other whites, rarely had occassion to meet black people or deal with them unless they took a cab from the airport or chatted with the mailman. That's no longer true. We live with black people, work with them, go to school with them, hear them on television, listen to their opinions, their music, their culture...we interact daily with black people on the job. The massive alienation from the other race only occurs now in the ghettos...where some black people literally never see whites unless they are cops. Ironically the most racially isolated people are the ones we consider the most violent, and the vast majority of that violence is not directed towards whites, but towards other blacks in the ghetto.
Black crime is the most potent determiner today of white attitudes toward blacks. While the great majority of American blacks are not involved in criminal activity, the criminal lifestyle of young black men makes most whites fearful and suspicious. That is a great injustice, because among middle-class blacks, there is relatively little crime.
Duh...poverty produces crime and lack of poverty reduces crime. Why is this educated idiot not able to process facts he freely admits in indicting all young black men in the underclass...and BTW...relatively FEW young black men who live in the underclass now live inside the hood. They live everywhere...including suburban appartment complexes. Once again...it's not young black men...it's young black men living in poverty inside the ghetto.in many cities — New Haven, Hartford, Brooklyn, Baltimore, for instance — major hospitals are located on the edge of neighborhoods populated by the black underclass. When whites who work at the hospitals drive through those neighborhoods, they make sure their windows are up and doors are locked. Walking from the parking lot to the workplace is risky. In e-mails, medical students and hospital staff are informed of robberies and beatings by young black men. They are warned against walking alone.
What a bunch of horse ****. Hosptial staff and medical students are warned about crime by young black men? I seriously doubt there are many hospital administrators stupid enough to send out emails warning about crime by "young black men" when they warn of safety. I've worked in several hospitals that fit this description including Baylor University Medical Center and the Parkland complex in Dallas where they took Kennedy after he was shot. Both are on the edge or in the middle of urban poverty zones...neither warns of "young black men" in their safety alerts. This is merely another race based statement by someone with an ax to grind.

The truth is, the vast majority of whites NEVER have to tread anywhere near black ghettos, and if they did they'd probably ride into an underground parking garage with controlled access and on site security and step from the car 60 feet to an elevator...experiencing maybe 30-60 seconds outside the car. Whites easily avoid these areas and there is no problem with them generally doing so, so Marx's stupid characterization of whites shaking in fear as they have to walk alone at night through the concrete jungles filled with dangerous black killers is laughable and highly transparent.
If it is dangerous to “drive while black,” it is even more dangerous to walk while white in some neighborhoods. Driving while black may result in the indignity of a speeding ticket; walking while white could result in a fractured skull.
One of the stupidest things I've ever heard an educated person say. Do some research. "Driving while black" has resulted in shooting deaths of black drivers, including unarmed drivers, beatings and threats by police. It's hardly only a speeding ticket black men have to fear if they are racially profile by the cops. It may be prison...drugs or weapons planted in their cars. Here in Dallas a few years ago an FBI investigation found a ring of white cops who targetted Hispancis with phony drug charges. They planted cocain on totally innocent people targeting them for no other reason than their race. Second...it's EXTREMELY EASY...in fact it's almost impossible for most whites to EVER need to "walk while white" through black ghettos. Are you kidding me? Driving on the other hand is an activity that nobody can avoid unless they never leave the house. These two are hardly the same thing in their frequency or their impact. And the last time I looked, whites had nothing to fear from black cops in black neighborhoods...which is not true for black men driving in white parts of town...or any part of town for that matter, when it comes to the police.
Staples has written about his walks near the University of Chicago. It upset him that when white women walking alone noticed him, they would try to avoid him, speeding up or crossing the street. He was befuddled about why a completely innocent black man should be avoided. Why couldn’t the women understand that he was Brent Staples, not some thug?
I'm sure he does understand...that doesnt' change his frustration with it.
The other day, I was walking down a street and suddenly I saw three young black men coming toward me. My first reaction was “uh-oh.” I thought I might be attacked. When I wasn’t, I thought how unfair it was to think that.

But it is a typical reaction when a white person walks alone in a fringy neighborhood.
So Marx can recognize a "typical reaction" as understandable in whites but has trouble comprehending why black men who face this kind of reaction every day of their lives...not once a year like most whites might experience if they were caught alone somehow in the ghetto or walking late at night in a large city...how amazingly predictable.
Lawless young black men cause fear among whites, and it is not unnatural for whites to be suspicious of all blacks who fit the profile of the attackers. Would it be unnatural for the citizens of African cities — like Lagos, Nairobi or Harare — to be suspicious of white men if there were an epidemic among whites of robbings and beatings?
It's not a question of what is "natural" but what is "right". Whites have EASY ACCESS to hundreds of examples of black men living, working, shopping, etc...all around them every day who are NOT robbing, raping or murdering people. Our neighborhoods offer opportunity for ANY white people who want to work on educating themselves and getting rid of their racist or prejudiced attitudes. On the other hand, his example of Afircan cities is ridiculous since there are very few whites living in those cities for their citizens to see, get to know, etc...just like black men in the ghettos are often isolated from whites unless they are cops these people are largely isolated from whites.

How interesting...whites, who live around, work around and shop at the super market with blacks are justified in their bigotry but black men who grow up isolated from seeing any example of white people except that exhibited by police...often with frightening results...are NOT justified in their feelings. That is not only racist at it's very core...it's unbeleivably lacking in basic intelligence. That's what racism does...binds and blinds the mind...even one that's earned a PhD.
The American media have bent over backward to avoid identifying criminal perpetrators and suspects by race. But by names, addresses, education and criminal records, people easily jump to conclusions, and they usually are correct. They then generalize.
False. Nightly on the news the pictures of young black men commiting crimes are splashed accross the screen. There is no "bending over backwards" to avoid race. In fact most crime I see reported on the news usually shows minorities doing the act...another moronic statement by this guy.
It may not be logical to do this, but for most people, generalizing comes as easily as eating. This is not fair to law-abiding blacks, but most white people would rather have an unfair thought than risk being hurt.
No Mr. Marx...it's not just "illogical"...it's what we call "racist"...though racism IS illogical. That's what "generalizing" is..a close approximation of the definition of prejudice...drawing conclusions about all people based on experiences or observations regarding a few. How can this guy intellectually explain this and not see his own racism? Or more accurately, how can he see what he's doing...admiting it freely...then excuse it as "natural".

[footstepsfrom#27]

Here's a pix of Paul Marx. Feel free to "generalize" about what you think of his ability to understand issues related to young black men based on how he looks. It is after all..."natural to do so".

Looks like he's probably really in touch with these issues huh? Hilarious!

http://paulmarx.net/images/pmarx-140-exp-Pauls_photo_by_.jpg

[Odysseus]

Here's a pix of Paul Marx. Feel free to "generalize" about what you think of his ability to understand issues related to young black men based on how he looks. It is after all..."natural to do so".

Looks like he's probably really in touch with these issues huh? Hilarious!

http://paulmarx.net/images/pmarx-140-exp-Pauls_photo_by_.jpg

I think it's tragic that this stuff could seem logical to anybody. It's like a guy who smokes too much dope and thinks he's passing on knowledge that nobody could ever understand.

I guess he's angry that he can't walk among the colored folk and take whatever he wants like he was used to. I imagine there would be a resentment if you are used to drinking mint julip while other people toiled in your fields. Who wouldn't be resentful to lose the good life?

He doesn't realize the black intellectuals do not have any affinity for the rap community. That would be like making him responsible for whatever European extraction he came from.

I don't think he could tell the difference between a Panamanian, Jamaican, Brazilian or African if they were put in front of him. These people should all be responsible for each other as well I suppose.

They should rename this forum "fun with stupid people" because that seems to be what it comes down most time. It's just a game of seeing who can say something retarded and not get exposed. Oh wait! I said retarded! I wonder if somebody is going to notice that?

[Spider]

Just another example of the Black man tryin to keep the white man down ...

[Bronco Bob]

Man...you're pretty hung up on race, aren't you? What happened, a black guy stole your high school sweetheart, or mugged you in an alley or something?

When I was in the Navy another guy on my ship absolutely hated black people
because while he was overseas his wife left him for a black man.

[Bronco Bob]

blacks think about race 95% of the time.
whites think about race 05% of the time.

I have no idea what % of the time Asians, Hispanics, jews, antarticans, dwarfs, and lilliputians think about race.

According to the Rev, 52% of statistics are made up "on the spot".

[Odysseus]

blacks think about race 95% of the time.
whites think about race 05% of the time.

I have no idea what % of the time Asians, Hispanics, jews, antarticans, dwarfs, and lilliputians think about race.

What if you are half black? What if you are part black but don't even know it? What about blacks that live in Canada? What if they don't know they are black?

I met this black guy one time and I asked him how long he had been black. He didn't answer me. I don't think he knows he is black. I wonder why he decided to be born black. I bet he didn't know any better. He might have been one of the racial blacks because he didn't really talk to me after that. I am glad I don't have any prejudice.

[broncofan7]

Here's a pix of Paul Marx. Feel free to "generalize" about what you think of his ability to understand issues related to young black men based on how he looks. It is after all..."natural to do so".

Looks like he's probably really in touch with these issues huh? Hilarious!

http://paulmarx.net/images/pmarx-140-exp-Pauls_photo_by_.jpg

Hey, didn't that guy found 'Motown' ;) "He is down wit the 'AARP'--yeah you know me!

[broncofan7]

When I was in the Navy another guy on my ship absolutely hated black people
because while he was overseas his wife left him for a black man.

"another guy on my ship"--AKA 'Bronco Bob' :)

[TailgateNut]

When I was in the Navy another guy on my ship absolutely hated black people
because while he was overseas his wife left him for a black man.

Considering BF7's obsession with Race something similar may have happened to him.


The guy is f-ing obsessed.

[Odysseus]

Considering BF7's obsession with Race something similar may have happened to him.


The guy is f-ing obsessed.

I was thinking of the movie Me, Myself and Irene. Maybe he some black kids running around his house that are giving him troubles.

I sometimes wonder if he is gay on the downlow. I mean HE is not gay but that guy he was spooning was definitely gay! That other guy who had his piece in his mouth. That guy was definitely gay. BF7 is not gay. It's all those other guys that were playing with his junk! It's like every thread is about how it's always somebody else.

What was the words he used? Flame away?

[rastaman]

Man...you're pretty hung up on race, aren't you? What happened, a black guy stole your high school sweetheart, or mugged you in an alley or something?

What do you expect from "Narrow-Minded" Bronco7 he's a conservataive Republican from TEX-AZZ, need I say more. This moron more than likely doesn't own a passport and rarely travels-vacation out of the southern/southwest regions of the U.S., let alone has traveled outside the U.S. or to foreign countries. Bronoco7 feels safe towards blacks so long as their entertaining him on the field on friday night H.S. football games, saturday College football, and on Sundays and Monday night football with NFL games.

Thanks for coming out of the closet.....Bronco7.

[broncofan7]

I was thinking of the movie Me, Myself and Irene. Maybe he some black kids running around his house that are giving him troubles.

I sometimes wonder if he is gay on the downlow. I mean HE is not gay but that guy he was spooning was definitely gay! That other guy who had his piece in his mouth. That guy was definitely gay. BF7 is not gay. It's all those other guys that were playing with his junk! It's like every thread is about how it's always somebody else.

What was the words he used? Flame away?

Yes, I am full of self hate as I am actually gay AND black. Whoddah' thunk it? You are far too clever to be enlisted.......

[broncofan7]

What do you expect from "Narrow-Minded" Bronco7 he's a conservataive Republican from TEX-AZZ, need I say more. This moron more than likely doesn't own a passport and rarely travels-vacation out of the southern/southwest regions of the U.S., let alone has traveled outside the U.S. or to foreign countries. Bronoco7 feels safe towards blacks so long as their entertaining him on the field on friday night H.S. football games, saturday College football, and on Sundays and Monday night football with NFL games.

Thanks for coming out of the closet.....Bronco7.

Being narrow minded is taking what MSM and popular culture are spoon feeding you as the gospel truth--

Here is something that is NOT mainstream(thanks Bronx33):

The average Black commits murder about 7.1 times more often than the average "White" (where "White" includes Hispanics etc.)

- The average Black commits interracial murder about 13.8 times more often than the average "White" (where "White: includes Hispanics etc.)

- The average Black kills a "White" 15.9 times more often than the reverse.

- Weapons violations are committed by Blacks at nearly 5 times the rate for Whites;

- Blacks are caught receiving or buying stolen property at nearly 5 times the rate for Whites;

- Blacks are involved in prostitution at almost 4 times the rate for Whites;

- Blacks are arrested for drug crimes at over 4 times the rate for Whites;

- Blacks are more than three times as likely as Whites to be caught at forgery, counterfeiting, and fraud, and almost three times as likely to be caught at embezzlement;

- Blacks are more than 3 times as likely to be thieves as Whites;

- Blacks are more than 4 times as likely to commit assault as Whites;

- Blacks are almost 4.5 times as likely to steal a motor vehicle;

- Blacks are more than 5 times as likely to commit forcible rape as Whites;

- Blacks are over 8 times as likely to commit murder as Whites;

- Blacks are more than 10 times as likely to commit robbery as Whites;

- Nearly 25% of all Black males between the ages of 20 and 29 are in jail or on probation - this does not include those wanted or awaiting trial;

- For all violent crimes considered together, Blacks are almost 5.5 times more likely to commit violent criminal acts than Whites; all this according to the FBI Uniform Crime Report.

[rastaman]

Being narrow minded is taking what MSM and popular culture are spoon feeding you as the gospel truth--

Here is something that is NOT mainstream(thanks Bronx33):

The average Black commits murder about 7.1 times more often than the average "White" (where "White" includes Hispanics etc.)

- The average Black commits interracial murder about 13.8 times more often than the average "White" (where "White: includes Hispanics etc.)

- The average Black kills a "White" 15.9 times more often than the reverse.

- Weapons violations are committed by Blacks at nearly 5 times the rate for Whites;

- Blacks are caught receiving or buying stolen property at nearly 5 times the rate for Whites;

- Blacks are involved in prostitution at almost 4 times the rate for Whites;

- Blacks are arrested for drug crimes at over 4 times the rate for Whites;

- Blacks are more than three times as likely as Whites to be caught at forgery, counterfeiting, and fraud, and almost three times as likely to be caught at embezzlement;

- Blacks are more than 3 times as likely to be thieves as Whites;

- Blacks are more than 4 times as likely to commit assault as Whites;

- Blacks are almost 4.5 times as likely to steal a motor vehicle;

- Blacks are more than 5 times as likely to commit forcible rape as Whites;

- Blacks are over 8 times as likely to commit murder as Whites;

- Blacks are more than 10 times as likely to commit robbery as Whites;

- Nearly 25% of all Black males between the ages of 20 and 29 are in jail or on probation - this does not include those wanted or awaiting trial;

- For all violent crimes considered together, Blacks are almost 5.5 times more likely to commit violent criminal acts than Whites; all this according to the FBI Uniform Crime Report.

GeeWhiz Bronoco zero! Just what are all you skitish White Folks going to do about America's Black Crime Rate? Got any conservative knuckle dragging idea's???

I'm sure if given enough time for you and ilk to search way back in your neanderthal gene-DNA structure and brain matter (what little is left) you might all comeback to the same solution Ya'll had back in the 19th & 20th century. Let me know what solution you cave dwellers comeup with. This should really be exciting.....can't wait to hear from you.

Have a nice day "KORG".

[footstepsfrom#27]

The average Black commits murder about 7.1 times more often than the average "White"...
There is no such thing as the "average" black. This statement tells me you don't know how to read statistics.
For all violent crimes considered together, Blacks are almost 5.5 times more likely to commit violent criminal acts than Whites; all this according to the FBI Uniform Crime Report.
As I have noted previously, FBI crime statistics are compiled from thousands of departmental police reports, and have enormous problems with consistency of reporting, accuracy and by definition, what constitutes a "crime". The FBI themselves admit their statistics are wildly influenced by these problems and warn against drawing conclusions. Check out their statements on city crime: http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/11/why-city-crime.html

You conveniently ignore all this however...wonder why?

[broncofan7]

There is no such thing as the "average" black. This statement tells me you don't know how to read statistics.

As I have noted previously, FBI crime statistics are compiled from thousands of departmental police reports, and have enormous problems with consistency of reporting, accuracy and by definition, what constitutes a "crime". The FBI themselves admit their statistics are wildly influenced by these problems and warn against drawing conclusions. Check out their statements on city crime: http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/11/why-city-crime.html

You conveniently ignore all this however...wonder why?

Your entire post tells me that you do not realize that I AM NOT THE AUTHOR of those statistics. And you are letting your micro view/personal bias affect the rational/ macro view that those statistics present.

[broncofan7]

GeeWhiz Bronoco zero! Just what are all you skitish White Folks going to do about America's Black Crime Rate? Got any conservative knuckle dragging idea's???

I'm sure if given enough time for you and ilk to search way back in your neanderthal gene-DNA structure and brain matter (what little is left) you might all comeback to the same solution Ya'll had back in the 19th & 20th century. Let me know what solution you cave dwellers comeup with. This should really be exciting.....can't wait to hear from you.

Have a nice day "KORG".

Take a look at the incarceration rates ;) and it's not just 'white folks'--it's law abiding citizens of ALL races who help law enforcement capture those who believe that the laws of the land do not apply to them.......

[broncofan7]

There is no such thing as the "average" black. This statement tells me you don't know how to read statistics.

As I have noted previously, FBI crime statistics are compiled from thousands of departmental police reports, and have enormous problems with consistency of reporting, accuracy and by definition, what constitutes a "crime". The FBI themselves admit their statistics are wildly influenced by these problems and warn against drawing conclusions. Check out their statements on city crime: http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/11/why-city-crime.html

You conveniently ignore all this however...wonder why?

You're right---police departments across the land consistently cook the books in attempting to disparage people of AA ancestry--mis-characterizing simple shop lifting crimes and other misdemeanors under the category of 'violent crime' to undermine city tourism/business growth all in the name of keeping a 'brotha down'..........Hilarious!

[footstepsfrom#27]

Your entire post tells me that you do not realize that I AM NOT THE AUTHOR of those statistics. And you are letting your micro view/personal bias affect the rational/ macro view that those statistics present.
Hilarious! Wow...YOU are accusing ME of letting bias influence me? That's a good one. The whole thread...like all you post on this topic...is loaded with people taking you to task for your OWN bias...an ugly one at that.

I know perfectly well you are not the author, nor is that the least bit important. Neither am I allowing personal bias to inform me. I've detailed in here before what these problems are, yet you have ignored this. The simple fact is, the FBI does not compile it's own statistics. It relies on tens of thousands of other law enforcement agencies to do so. These organizations vary from state to state, from county to county, and from city to city on how they report, what they report, how they handle data, and on the consistency of their methodology. In many cases even individual police departments are unable to remain consistent in thier methodology...case in point; the city of Dallas changed over to new software several years ago and it caused thousands of records to be lost, others to be merged and some people were even released from jail as a result.

NO research study in the world could gain funding for a study that relied on these kinds of uneven statistical measuring procedures, let alone have their research accepted as credible or accurate. On top of this, the crime statistics themselves also lead to additional contributory factors that skew the results. Racial profiling based on these statistical inconsistencies is the perfect example of this. Then you also have the fact that blacks have historically been victimized for increased false reporting by police departments nation-wide. The truth is...the vast majority of violent inner city crime commited by blacks is mostly limited to a few highly dangerous places.

But you've got it all figured out haven't you? The "average black" is a violent animal in your mind. Why bother looking beneath your own prejudice?

Dallas is considered one of the most violent cities in America as you know. Yet I have traveled extensively inside the very ghetto areas you would probably never go...South Oak Cliff, South Dallas, West Dallas, Southeast Fort Worth, and the areas around Frazier...because business has taken me there. In 12 years I have never had so much as a cross word said to me in any of these communities. Of course I imagine you might experience different results, especially if you leave the rebel flag on your pickup truck and go in there wearing your KKK T-shirt.

[broncofan7]

Hilarious! Wow...YOU are accusing ME of letting bias influence me? That's a good one. The whole thread...like all you post on this topic...is loaded with people taking you to task for your OWN bias...an ugly one at that.

I know perfectly well you are not the author, nor is that the least bit important. Neither am I allowing personal bias to inform me. I've detailed in here before what these problems are, yet you have ignored this. The simple fact is, the FBI does not compile it's own statistics. It relies on tens of thousands of other law enforcement agencies to do so. These organizations vary from state to state, from county to county, and from city to city on how they report, what they report, how they handle data, and on the consistency of their methodology. In many cases even individual police departments are unable to remain consistent in thier methodology...case in point; the city of Dallas changed over to new software several years ago and it caused thousands of records to be lost, others to be merged and some people were even released from jail as a result.

NO research study in the world could gain funding for a study that relied on these kinds of uneven statistical measuring procedures, let alone have their research accepted as credible or accurate. On top of this, the crime statistics themselves also lead to additional contributory factors that skew the results. Racial profiling based on these statistical inconsistencies is the perfect example of this. Then you also have the fact that blacks have historically been victimized for increased false reporting by police departments nation-wide. The truth is...the vast majority of violent inner city crime commited by blacks is mostly limited to a few highly dangerous places.

But you've got it all figured out haven't you? The "average black" is a violent animal in your mind. Why bother looking beneath your own prejudice?

Dallas is considered one of the most violent cities in America as you know. Yet I have traveled extensively inside the very ghetto areas you would probably never go...South Oak Cliff, South Dallas, West Dallas, Southeast Fort Worth, and the areas around Frazier...because business has taken me there. In 12 years I have never had so much as a cross word said to me in any of these communities. Of course I imagine you might experience different results, especially if you leave the rebel flag on your pickup truck and go in there wearing your KKK T-shirt.

Have we met? :rofl:

The link for those statistics was provided by Bronx33--they are truly eye opening, no? ;)

You cannot be serious:giggle:--You don't show personal bias in your posts? You have the audacity to argue against compilation upon compilation of FBI statistics that go against your set position yet your sense of truth is so distorted by your personal bias that you cannot grasp the true reality that these statistics present. Now THAT is a sure sign of irrationality if ever there was one.........

[frerottenextelway]

I feel like I accidently ventured into Stormfront.

[footstepsfrom#27]

You cannot be serious:giggle:--You don't show personal bias in your posts?
I don't allow bias to inform my point of view. I constantly strive to factor out my own feelings about any issue in an effort to arrive at truth. You should try this sometime...it's very liberating.
You have the audacity to argue against compilation upon compilation of FBI statistics that go against your set position yet your sense of truth is so distorted by your personal bias that you cannot grasp the true reality that these statistics present. Now THAT is a sure sign of irrationality if ever there was one.........
The FBI themselves warns against using these statistics to draw conclusions that may be skewed as a result. Your beef is with them, not me.

I have no intention in getting involved in another endless loop over this with you. It goes nowhere...we both know neither of us will change our perspective based on these meaningless excercises. I'm pretty sure that's the one thing we do agree on.

[broncofan7]

But you've got it all figured out haven't you? The "average black" is a violent animal in your mind. Why bother looking beneath your own prejudice?

.

LOL! I DO NOT think that at all...........Criminality is not a character trait held by a majority of any ethnic group....

[broncofan7]

I don't allow bias to inform my point of view. I constantly strive to factor out my own feelings about any issue in an effort to arrive at truth. .

I hope you do a better job in other aspects of your life than you do in attempting to remove your personal bias from this subject ROFL!

[footstepsfrom#27]

I have no intention in getting involved in another endless loop over this with you. It goes nowhere...we both know neither of us will change our perspective based on these meaningless excercises. I'm pretty sure that's the one thing we do agree on.
Rinse and repeat.

[broncofan7]

I feel like I accidently ventured into Stormfront.

It's only fair that since I have enlightened you on FBI crime rates among different ethnic groups that you share your knowledge of 'stormfront'.......8')

[broncofan7]

Rinse and repeat.

HAHA--my posts are more for the sheep (rastaman, quiet, rigs, etc)--I consider you a blind sheep herder--you won't know how to stay on the path of truth no matter how many times I direct you to it---but it's fun never the less--I hear there's a game on tonight around 9pm?

[cutthemdown]

According to the Rev, 52% of statistics are made up "on the spot".

What B.S it's common knowledge its 54.0037%. Where is a link to your numbers.

Mine is

wwwmosthtingsoninternetaretotalbs.com

[cutthemdown]

FBI crime rates hard to sort through. Whites and Hispanics really need to be separated to see what is really goin on.

More importantly though we need prison reform. We need to be able to separate inmates by race. The courts force them to now put black/latino in same areas. We have riots and fights all over.

We need the Crip prisons, The Boold Prisons, The White Power prison...then some prisons for all the human who can maybe be saved and put back into society.

We can't keep locking up black males at this rate. The numbers are shocking. So many end up in prison in 20 yrs at this rate it will straight be escape for New York and we will need Snake Plisken not Barry Obama!!!

[Bronco Bob]

Being narrow minded is taking what MSM and popular culture are spoon feeding you as the gospel truth--

Here is something that is NOT mainstream(thanks Bronx33):

The average Black commits murder about 7.1 times more often than the average "White" (where "White" includes Hispanics etc.)

- The average Black commits interracial murder about 13.8 times more often than the average "White" (where "White: includes Hispanics etc.)

- The average Black kills a "White" 15.9 times more often than the reverse.

- Weapons violations are committed by Blacks at nearly 5 times the rate for Whites;

- Blacks are caught receiving or buying stolen property at nearly 5 times the rate for Whites;

- Blacks are involved in prostitution at almost 4 times the rate for Whites;

- Blacks are arrested for drug crimes at over 4 times the rate for Whites;

- Blacks are more than three times as likely as Whites to be caught at forgery, counterfeiting, and fraud, and almost three times as likely to be caught at embezzlement;

- Blacks are more than 3 times as likely to be thieves as Whites;

- Blacks are more than 4 times as likely to commit assault as Whites;

- Blacks are almost 4.5 times as likely to steal a motor vehicle;

- Blacks are more than 5 times as likely to commit forcible rape as Whites;

- Blacks are over 8 times as likely to commit murder as Whites;

- Blacks are more than 10 times as likely to commit robbery as Whites;

- Nearly 25% of all Black males between the ages of 20 and 29 are in jail or on probation - this does not include those wanted or awaiting trial;

- For all violent crimes considered together, Blacks are almost 5.5 times more likely to commit violent criminal acts than Whites; all this according to the FBI Uniform Crime Report.

You forgot to mention the blacks are stealing all our white women
and turning them out onto the street to turn tricks.

[broncofan7]

You forgot to mention the blacks are stealing all our white women
and turning them out onto the street to turn tricks.

Not my statistics you irrational dolt.......

Although they may be your cup of tea--nobody cares about what happens to FAT chicks anyway......:rofl:

[cutthemdown]

You forgot to mention the blacks are stealing all our white women
and turning them out onto the street to turn tricks.

I have 2 friends dating black girls right now. One all black, one half japanese/black. Both of them tell me they are all about the white guys now.

We are turning the tide and now stealing there women!!!!!!

[broncofan7]

I have 2 friends dating black girls right now. One all black, one half japanese/black. Both of them tell me they are all about the white guys now.

We are turning the tide and now stealing there women!!!!!!

1/2 black 1/2 asian chix are HOT!

[SPfloppy]

Oh man this is fun to read. Just once I'd love to see an orangemane convention at the airport Hilton. I wonder if we'd all kill each other outright or just akwardly mill around and not speak to each other for 3 days?