Blackwater Mercenaries Had Child Prostitutes on Base in Iraq

[alkemical]

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[TailgateNut]

Yep, those christians can do no wrong, can they?

Just ask GWB! The leader of the pack.

God told him to do it, so it was all in the name of God!

[Rohirrim]

Yep, those christians can do no wrong, can they?

Just ask GWB! The leader of the pack.

God told him to do it, so it was all in the name of God!

I think it was part of their Holy War...


Wait...


We were fighting against the Holy War...


Wait...


WTF?

[TailgateNut]

Blackwater and Halliburton are still laughing all the way to the bank (offshore, of course)

[footstepsfrom#27]

Yep, those christians can do no wrong, can they?

Just ask GWB! The leader of the pack.

God told him to do it, so it was all in the name of God!
I don't believe GWB is even a Christina, let alone the leader of the pack. He was an opportunist who learned from his father the value of tapping the evangelical voter base.

I just finished reading the long and disturbing summary of this piece of crap on Wikipedia. It details an extensive background on this guy, and it appears obvious he's a nut case. But characterizing this guy as representative of Christians in general is mind numbingly stupid. The Klan and the Arian Nations maniacs call themselves Christian. Hiltler called himself a Christian. "Christian" is easily adopted by anyone needing a brand name to conceal their true objectives. This guy grew up in an ultra wealthy home and was raised by a father who founded the Family Research Council and was obviously around religious right causes his whole life. I have no doubt he's seen the worst excesses that movement has to offer.

His actions are despicable, which is obvious. Attempting to hold this human garbage up as representing the views or actions of Christians in general is a simpleton's approach. Do you seriously believe Joe Baptist supports murdering Iraq's for no reason and running a child slave ring? What this story makes most obvious is not his evangelical roots, but the fact that we have a huge problem with private contractors in Iraq and the lack of oversight of their actions.

Use your mind when you post and try to bring something well thought out to the table instead of taking the easy approach.

[TailgateNut]

I don't believe GWB is even a Christina, let alone the leader of the pack. He was an opportunist who learned from his father the value of tapping the evangelical voter base.

I just finished reading the long and disturbing summary of this piece of crap on Wikipedia. It details an extensive background on this guy, and it appears obvious he's a nut case. But characterizing this guy as representative of Christians in general is mind numbingly stupid. The Klan and the Arian Nations maniacs call themselves Christian. Hiltler called himself a Christian. "Christian" is easily adopted by anyone needing a brand name to conceal their true objectives. This guy grew up in an ultra wealthy home and was raised by a father who founded the Family Research Council and was obviously around religious right causes his whole life. I have no doubt he's seen the worst excesses that movement has to offer.

His actions are despicable, which is obvious. Attempting to hold this human garbage up as representing the views or actions of Christians in general is a simpleton's approach. Do you seriously believe Joe Baptist supports murdering Iraq's for no reason and running a child slave ring? What this story makes most obvious is not his evangelical roots, but the fact that we have a huge problem with private contractors in Iraq and the lack of oversight of their actions.

Use your mind when you post and try to bring something well thought out to the table instead of taking the easy approach.

Oh MY! Someone once again has been exposed as one of those fake CHRISTIANS. What's the percentage of REAL vs FAKE, and how can the avg person discern the difference?

[footstepsfrom#27]

Oh MY! Someone once again has been exposed as one of those fake CHRISTIANS. What's the percentage of REAL vs FAKE, and how can the avg person discern the difference?
Very simple: Read Matthew 7: 16-21...basically if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...it's a duck. If it doesn't...it's not. Christians are people who ACT like Christ, not talk about it.

16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

[broncofan7]

WOW--that is sickening.The Iraq war was so criminal in so many different facets that its mind boggling.......
as a side note---I personally know a VERY good looking female soldier who trained with Blackwater and lives here in N Dallas--and she is unmarried but had more than a few swinging stories to share........

[TailgateNut]

Very simple: Read Matthew 7: 16-21...basically if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...it's a duck. If it doesn't...it's not. Christians are people who ACT like Christ, not talk about it.

16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


Sure are a bunch of fruits.Hilarious!

[ant1999e]

Yep, those christians can do no wrong, can they?

Just ask GWB! The leader of the pack.

God told him to do it, so it was all in the name of God!

Did you get molested by a priest when you were a kid? It's obvious you aren't a christian with all that hate you have :cuss:. Maybe you need to find God.

[spdirty]

Did you get molested by a priest when you were a kid? It's obvious you aren't a christian with all that hate you have :cuss:. Maybe you need to find God.

Should I put him on my prayer list?

[Garcia Bronco]

I don't believe GWB is even a Christina, let alone the leader of the pack. He was an opportunist who learned from his father the value of tapping the evangelical voter base.


I believe he is very much a Christian. And it was GWB that brought the Evangelicals to GWHB. Not the other way around.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I believe he is very much a Christian. And it was GWB that brought the Evangelicals to GWHB. Not the other way around.
I don't know what you mean by GWB "bringing evangelicals" to his father...since he wasn't even in politics at the time his father ran for the presidency. Bush had zero to do with that. Reagan galvanized evangelicals and it was largely evangelicals staying home from the polls during Bush 41's re-election campaign of 1992 that allowed Clinton to win.

As for Bush being a Christian...I know some things personally about this guy, and I don't believe for a moment he's a real Christian. He was a liar and a scumbag before he ever got to the White House, and his actions do not jibe with the "fruit" that the Jesus said would reveal true believers.

[Dudeskey]

Sick ****s. Yet somehow there is no accountability. Had this been our tropops there would already be people going to jail...™

[footstepsfrom#27]

Sick ****s. Yet somehow there is no accountability. Had this been our tropops there would already be people going to jail...™
Somebody will: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/08/informants-accuse-blackwater-founder-murder-crimes/?test=latestnews

[AbileneBroncoFan]

If this is true, these men are no different than the terrorists and should answer for their crimes. We cannot become what we are fighting against.

[NUB]

A largely illiterate desert tribe opened a channel with God 150,000 years into human existence. I don't know what your problem with this story is, TailgateNut.

[alkemical]

If this is true, these men are no different than the terrorists and should answer for their crimes. We cannot become what we are fighting against.

To fight the Empire is to be infected by its derangement ... Whoever defeats the Empire becomes the Empire; it proliferates like a virus ... thereby it becomes its enemies. - PKD

[TailgateNut]

Did you get molested by a priest when you were a kid? It's obvious you aren't a christian with all that hate you have :cuss:. Maybe you need to find God.


When you find him, introduce us. I have quite a few questions for him.:thanku:

[TailgateNut]

A largely illiterate desert tribe opened a channel with God 150,000 years into human existence. I don't know what your problem with this story is, TailgateNut.


....and some S.American tribes used to sacrifice peeps, but at least they eventually figured out right and wrong, and let go of their FANTASIES

[Rohirrim]

I wonder what George Washington's opinion would have been regarding the U.S. hiring mercenary armies? Probably pretty much the same as his opinion of the Hessians.

[ant1999e]

When you find him, introduce us. I have quite a few questions for him.:thanku:

Hopefully I won't be meeting him for a long time. Knock on wood.:hitself:

[TailgateNut]

Hopefully I won't be meeting him for a long time. Knock on wood.:hitself:


No worries, unless you're into Hallucinegenics.

[BroncoInferno]

Very simple: Read Matthew 7: 16-21...basically if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...it's a duck. If it doesn't...it's not. Christians are people who ACT like Christ, not talk about it.

16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

one can behave christlike without being a christian. many people do.

[TailgateNut]

one can behave christlike without being a christian. many people do.
I wear sandals.:angel:

[alkemical]

http://cryptogon.com/?p=10505

CIA Hired Blackwater for Assassination Program

[TailgateNut]

http://cryptogon.com/?p=10505

CIA Hired Blackwater for Assassination Program



Who would 'ave thunk it!

[cutthemdown]

I wonder what George Washington's opinion would have been regarding the U.S. hiring mercenary armies? Probably pretty much the same as his opinion of the Hessians.

who cares what someone that long ago would think. He also thought whites superior to blacks so he would probably say send them to fight the wars.

[cutthemdown]

also washington probably would have told all women to stay home and take care of the kids, listen to your man etc.

Many things have changed including how we fight conflicts.

[alkemical]

it also gives an out to those calling the shots

[Rohirrim]

also washington probably would have told all women to stay home and take care of the kids, listen to your man etc.

Many things have changed including how we fight conflicts.

Mercenary armies make wars easy to start. Do you see the slippery slope here? We have already set aside the war powers provisions of the Constitution, and now we're putting together mercenary armies? Hell, pretty soon the president can just jump out of bed and start a war before he gets his morning coffee.

[cutthemdown]

Mercenary armies make wars easy to start. Do you see the slippery slope here? We have already set aside the war powers provisions of the Constitution, and now we're putting together mercenary armies? Hell, pretty soon the president can just jump out of bed and start a war before he gets his morning coffee.

Meh we pay our regular army. We pay some thugs from blackwater. All of it is work I don't want to do.

I'm more against using blackwater because they don't seem professional or good at there job.

Who knows though really I'm not involved, either are you, we just get to read stories, but often we have no way of verifying what reports are true.

QA couple guards having some prostitutes, or was it widespread and organized from top down, do you really know?

As far as the CIA hiring people to do things it's called being someones handler. The people they use aren't CIA, but more just people the CIA uses. It's a common practice actually. They would hire a dog to pee on someones leg if they thought it would get them something they wanted. They could care less who they hire.

I can understand people thinking wow maybe we should play nice. IMO though the rest of the world has even less rules then us, at this point I just don't think we can play nice.

Obama playing nice with NATO and basically they all bow out of fighting. The Dutch, The Americans, The British, The Poles are fighting, but the rest hiding in there bases like pussies.

[cutthemdown]

Maybe we should hire blackwater and send them in, at least they will fight.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Watching them come and go
The Templars and the Saracens
They're travelling the holy land
Opening telegrams

Torture comes and torture goes
Knights who'd give you anything
They bear the cross of Coeur de Leon
Salvation for the mirror blind

But if you pray
all your sins are hooked upon the sky
Pray and the heathen lie will disappear
Prayers they hide
the saddest view
(Believing the strangest things,
loving the alien)

And your prayers they break the sky in two
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)

You pray til the break of dawn
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)

And you'll believe you're loving the alien
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)

Thinking of a different time
Palestine a modern problem
Bounty and your wealth in land
Terror in a best laid plan

Watching them come and go
Tomorrows and the yesterdays
Christians and the unbelievers
Hanging by the cross and nail

But if you pray all your sins are hooked upon the sky
Pray and the heathen lie will disappear oh ho
Prayers they hide the saddest view
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)
And your prayers they break the sky in two
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)
You pray till the break of ALL.
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)
And you'll believe you're loving the alien
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)
Believeing the strangest things (loving the alien)


- David Bowie, "Loving the Alien"

[That One Guy]

I've never personally worked with any Blackwater but did work closely with an SF team for a while. Considering Blackwater sounds like SF on an even longer leash, I could definitely believe it to be true. SF are released from many of the standards that regular soldiers have to adhere to (grooming standard, uniform, etc) and they really take it upon themselves to enjoy their time over there. They get their own compounds where they were very proud of the things that went on there. Always willing to share their porn collection, though, so they're not that bad.

When it comes to operations though, I was just amazed with the mentality that they had. The team I worked with was mostly just concerned with the high profile raids and killing the bad guys. It didn't seem they cared so much about advancing the mission and gaining achievements as much as they were there for the thrill. They would routinely sabotage our mission for the furthering of the SF mission. You honestly would think we weren't on the same team there. Probably even worse than the CIA in that regard, which should be astounding.

One day, their crazy guy came in and said he needed a target, he hadn't killed anyone in three days. Everyone laughed that awkward "heh..." laugh until we realized he was serious. I believe we gave him our most recent intel and he left.

Quite a while later, after they had done a similar mission, we started getting reports that the SF team had been on a sniping mission and possibly gotten a target for us. When the details came back, it turned out they saw someone that looked like our targets and shot two guys. One guy was shot in the gut and I believe died and the second guy they shot in the arm and the last I heard, the arm was getting amputated at the elbow. Turned out it was just two guys that happened to look like ours. The sniper team's response? They wanted pictures of other targets, they'd go try again elsewhere. The fact that they obviously couldn't identify accurately whether the individual was actually our target or not at a couple hundred yards didn't matter to them, they seemed to just want to shoot at people.

Another operation I was on, we had... I believe this time they were SEALs. I was working nights then and this guy came down early in the morning and told us he saw a guy looking out his window so he shot him. Laughed that he put a single shot in his chest and the guy dropped then left. Never figured out why the guy was shot. This all happened during a big citywide operation though so anyone killed was just called an insurgent and we rolled on.

I don't know what I'll look back at Iraq and think down the road. A few years later I'm still trying to play catch up on all the things that happen that leave you curious after you're done...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Meh we pay our regular army.

It would be more accurate to say that our regular army pays to serve.

These men and women have to pay for their own uniforms, for Christ's sake!

If you're in a firefight and you get part of your steel pot (helmet) blown away, then you have to pay for a new one.

If the Army issues you a side arm, you have to buy your own holster.

Despicable! (And it makes these Blackwater c@cks&ckers and their exorbitant salaries all the more hard to take.)

[Rohirrim]

I've never personally worked with any Blackwater but did work closely with an SF team for a while. Considering Blackwater sounds like SF on an even longer leash, I could definitely believe it to be true. SF are released from many of the standards that regular soldiers have to adhere to (grooming standard, uniform, etc) and they really take it upon themselves to enjoy their time over there. They get their own compounds where they were very proud of the things that went on there. Always willing to share their porn collection, though, so they're not that bad.

When it comes to operations though, I was just amazed with the mentality that they had. The team I worked with was mostly just concerned with the high profile raids and killing the bad guys. It didn't seem they cared so much about advancing the mission and gaining achievements as much as they were there for the thrill. They would routinely sabotage our mission for the furthering of the SF mission. You honestly would think we weren't on the same team there. Probably even worse than the CIA in that regard, which should be astounding.

One day, their crazy guy came in and said he needed a target, he hadn't killed anyone in three days. Everyone laughed that awkward "heh..." laugh until we realized he was serious. I believe we gave him our most recent intel and he left.

Quite a while later, after they had done a similar mission, we started getting reports that the SF team had been on a sniping mission and possibly gotten a target for us. When the details came back, it turned out they saw someone that looked like our targets and shot two guys. One guy was shot in the gut and I believe died and the second guy they shot in the arm and the last I heard, the arm was getting amputated at the elbow. Turned out it was just two guys that happened to look like ours. The sniper team's response? They wanted pictures of other targets, they'd go try again elsewhere. The fact that they obviously couldn't identify accurately whether the individual was actually our target or not at a couple hundred yards didn't matter to them, they seemed to just want to shoot at people.

Another operation I was on, we had... I believe this time they were SEALs. I was working nights then and this guy came down early in the morning and told us he saw a guy looking out his window so he shot him. Laughed that he put a single shot in his chest and the guy dropped then left. Never figured out why the guy was shot. This all happened during a big citywide operation though so anyone killed was just called an insurgent and we rolled on.

I don't know what I'll look back at Iraq and think down the road. A few years later I'm still trying to play catch up on all the things that happen that leave you curious after you're done...

It all disappears in the fog of war. The scariest part of all this is the possibility that the U.S. could find itself without a war to fight (I know that is a chilling prospect, but let's just imagine). Then, what do we do with those guys?

This is one of the primary reasons I am vehemently opposed to mercenary armies. They simply allow commanders (and others) to circumvent the military code (the Colonel Kurtz Effect). They exist for no other reason than to provide extra-military actions with follow-up deniability.

[That One Guy]

It would be more accurate to say that our regular army pays to serve.

These men and women have to pay for their own uniforms, for Christ's sake!

If you're in a firefight and you get part of your steel pot (helmet) blown away, then you have to pay for a new one.

If the Army issues you a side arm, you have to buy your own holster.

Despicable! (And it makes these Blackwater c@cks&ckers and their exorbitant salaries all the more hard to take.)

If I'm understanding this right, you're saying the soldiers have to buy their own equipment. The army is actually really good in that respect. If anything gets damaged or, depending on your supply guy, even lost during an operation or field exercise even then you can just write it off as a field loss generally. Sometimes you run into issues like the my first deployment where we were issued the old crappy straight slings for our rifles vs the combat slings that didn't leave you with the weapon stuck on your back like a backpack. We paid the $15 or $20 to get the new slings out of convenience but for my last one, the new slings were issued.

You are right about M9s though and the sling, I believe. I know people almost exclusively buy their own slings but I don't know if that's out of choice or necessity. I've never carried one in a combat zone.

Another thing that sucked about mercenary armies and the buttload of civilians we have over there is that the soldiers are often the ones pulling the crappy duties while these civilians get treated like royalty. I worked with a guy while I was over there that had less experience than I did but he was working as a civilian in the same job I had. He just got out at the end of his first term. He was there as a GS-13 or 14, took home like 160K a year, wore civilian clothes everyday, didn't have to carry a weapon, and because of his "rank" even got his own room. That kinda wears on you when you see civilians who aren't even that distinguished getting treated so well - it's depressing. On top of all that, who gets called when soldierly duties like sweeping the streets for a VIP visit or burning poo? Definitely not the civilian. Everyone over there notices these things when they have to work alongside them and the resentment or envy builds very quickly.

[That One Guy]

It all disappears in the fog of war. The scariest part of all this is the possibility that the U.S. could find itself without a war to fight (I know that is a chilling prospect, but let's just imagine). Then, what do we do with those guys?

This is one of the primary reasons I am vehemently opposed to mercenary armies. They simply allow commanders (and others) to circumvent the military code (the Colonel Kurtz Effect). They exist for no other reason than to provide extra-military actions with follow-up deniability.

Well that's been one of the only effective uses of Iraqis so whichever force does it, that'll still be happening.

I believe they renamed the Wolf Brigade which was a Special Police unit but we used to bring them into town for operations. You could always depend on them to make things happen. There was an Iraqi Ministry that they found prisoners being tortured beneath a few years back. When they released them, we found out that a bunch of our targets that had disappeared had been rounded up by the Wolf Brigade and ended up there. The ones who survived their interrogations made it there, at least.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

If I'm understanding this right, you're saying the soldiers have to buy their own equipment. The army is actually really good in that respect. If anything gets damaged or, depending on your supply guy, even lost during an operation or field exercise even then you can just write it off as a field loss generally. Sometimes you run into issues like the my first deployment where we were issued the old crappy straight slings for our rifles vs the combat slings that didn't leave you with the weapon stuck on your back like a backpack. We paid the $15 or $20 to get the new slings out of convenience but for my last one, the new slings were issued.

You are right about M9s though and the sling, I believe. I know people almost exclusively buy their own slings but I don't know if that's out of choice or necessity. I've never carried one in a combat zone.

Another thing that sucked about mercenary armies and the buttload of civilians we have over there is that the soldiers are often the ones pulling the crappy duties while these civilians get treated like royalty. I worked with a guy while I was over there that had less experience than I did but he was working as a civilian in the same job I had. He just got out at the end of his first term. He was there as a GS-13 or 14, took home like 160K a year, wore civilian clothes everyday, didn't have to carry a weapon, and because of his "rank" even got his own room. That kinda wears on you when you see civilians who aren't even that distinguished getting treated so well - it's depressing. On top of all that, who gets called when soldierly duties like sweeping the streets for a VIP visit or burning poo? Definitely not the civilian. Everyone over there notices these things when they have to work alongside them and the resentment or envy builds very quickly.

The resentment is perfectly understandable and fully justified, IMO.

All these things you described are absolutely unconscionable.

There is simply no way to justify sending a man to fight for his country and then asking him to pay for his own equipment!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[cutthemdown]

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the car is from the clunker program no?

[baja]

Pay back is a bitcch and she's a- commin....

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

the car is from the clunker program no?

Riiiiiight - that's the reason for the recession.

It's all that program's fault! :mullet1: