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alkemical
08-12-2009, 12:13 PM
Is the Singularity already happening at Goldman Sachs? (http://hplusmagazine.com/articles/ai/singularity-already-happening-goldman-sachs)

"We are just mice dancing" between the supercomputers of Wall Street giants, complains one trading executive, and an investment manager notes computers are already making 73% of all stock trades on U.S. exchanges. One former NYSE chairman admitted to the New York Times that "This is where all the money is getting made." (Between April and June, Goldman Sachs earned $100 million in one day — on 46 different days.)

High-speed algorithms use 30-millisecond trades to probe market conditions, and can buy and sell with a nearly omniscient knowledge of every other investor's price point. The Times notes that already these algorithms "execute millions of orders a second and scan dozens of public and private marketplaces simultaneously..."

Mr.Meanie
08-12-2009, 12:16 PM
Wow that's actually pretty cool

TailgateNut
08-12-2009, 12:22 PM
Wow that's actually pretty cool

until a worm hits home!

alkemical
08-12-2009, 12:37 PM
Wow that's actually pretty cool

There are several possibilities about what’s going on here. One is that Goldman and others are literally using privileged information to make trades ahead of markets, in which case they are committing a felony. Specifically, this is known as "front-running," or trading ahead of customers, and it is an explicitly illegal form of market manipulation.

Another possibility –- mentioned by Robert Kuttner in a recent Huffington Post article –- is that “the Goldmans of the world” have found themselves a nice loophole. Tapping into the Stock Exchange's own computers and other sources of trading activity is something that anyone in theory could do, but only a few privileged insiders have the sophistication to exploit what they find.