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montrose
08-11-2009, 05:22 PM
I have an appointment after practice so I thought I'd share a few nuggets now to hold everyone over. The rookies got horrible haircuts including a Costanza on Tom B. The following are not practicing: Jordan, Royal, Torain, Graham, Dawkins, Marshall. Quinn and Lloyd with the 1s.

JCMElway
08-11-2009, 05:24 PM
Great, thanks Montrose! Looking forward to it.

Meck77
08-11-2009, 05:27 PM
Still no Marshall.......Did I miss the latest on him or is it all a secret?

orinjkrush
08-11-2009, 05:28 PM
no knews is good knews.

JCMElway
08-11-2009, 05:31 PM
You missed the Foneco train Meck. That's what you missed.

Meck77
08-11-2009, 05:42 PM
No...See post 46 of the foneco thread.

Gcver2ver3
08-11-2009, 05:44 PM
Still no Marshall.......Did I miss the latest on him or is it all a secret?

i thought i read that he is off to handle his misdemeanor battery case...

JCMElway
08-11-2009, 05:44 PM
OK Meck, glad to see you had some Foneco spirit.

Northman
08-11-2009, 05:45 PM
i thought i read that he is off to handle his misdemeanor battery case...

Yea, i think i saw that in Kaylore's report.

Cmac821
08-11-2009, 06:12 PM
That killed a little bit of me, can't wait for the report.

montrose
08-11-2009, 06:18 PM
DJ out too. Moreno with unforced fumble.Lloyd having a great practice.

Irish Stout
08-11-2009, 06:19 PM
whats up with Royal not practicing?

UberBroncoMan
08-11-2009, 06:28 PM
whats up with Royal not practicing?

He did this morning. Everyone needs a break.

montrose
08-11-2009, 06:29 PM
Ayers killed Clady two straight.

montrose
08-11-2009, 06:31 PM
Goodman having a great practice.Three sweet breakups.

montrose
08-11-2009, 06:34 PM
Moss sack! (Against backup OL)

Ratboy
08-11-2009, 06:40 PM
Awesome reporting. Keep it up!

Chris
08-11-2009, 06:44 PM
ayers killed clady two straight.

a-schwing!

Archer81
08-11-2009, 06:50 PM
a-schwing!


****. Point that down. Take an eye out and some ****...


:Broncos:

cmhargrove
08-11-2009, 06:57 PM
Ayers killed Clady two straight.

Dear God, maybe we finally found a pass rusher...

underrated29
08-11-2009, 07:01 PM
Dear God, maybe we finally found a pass rusher...



Yea, i know right. Looks like Moss is finally coming around.

thumpc
08-11-2009, 07:01 PM
Lawd have mercy!

Irish Stout
08-11-2009, 07:09 PM
my buddy just called me leaving camp and said that practice was really really sharp this afternoon. He went to the deal at Mile High Lite last week and he said that Orton is already looking much sharper with his focus, pocket presence and release. He said that Clady was the only one looking a little slow at the beginning, but that he picked it up.

Kinda funny part was that he was sitting next to a dad and his two kids, a 6 year old and like a 3 year old. The 6 year old asks "daddy where is Jay Cutler." Before the dad can answer, the 3 year old says "Jay Cutler is gone because he was a big crier and nobody likes him."

maher_tyler
08-11-2009, 07:13 PM
Yea, i know right. Looks like Moss is finally coming around.

Easy now

Los Broncos
08-11-2009, 07:13 PM
Good to hear Ayers making some plays, thanks.

_Oro_
08-11-2009, 07:18 PM
my buddy just called me leaving camp and said that practice was really really sharp this afternoon. He went to the deal at Mile High Lite last week and he said that Orton is already looking much sharper with his focus, pocket presence and release. He said that Clady was the only one looking a little slow at the beginning, but that he picked it up.

Kinda funny part was that he was sitting next to a dad and his two kids, a 6 year old and like a 3 year old. The 6 year old asks "daddy where is Jay Cutler." Before the dad can answer, the 3 year old says "Jay Cutler is gone because he was a big crier and nobody likes him."

lol

kent156
08-11-2009, 07:23 PM
Yea, i know right. Looks like Moss is finally coming around.


Moss sack! (Against backup OL)


same old Moss to me

R8R H8R
08-11-2009, 07:42 PM
my buddy just called me leaving camp and said that practice was really really sharp this afternoon. He went to the deal at Mile High Lite last week and he said that Orton is already looking much sharper with his focus, pocket presence and release. He said that Clady was the only one looking a little slow at the beginning, but that he picked it up.

Kinda funny part was that he was sitting next to a dad and his two kids, a 6 year old and like a 3 year old. The 6 year old asks "daddy where is Jay Cutler." Before the dad can answer, the 3 year old says "Jay Cutler is gone because he was a big crier and nobody likes him."

Hilarious!

Rock Chalk
08-11-2009, 08:13 PM
my buddy just called me leaving camp and said that practice was really really sharp this afternoon. He went to the deal at Mile High Lite last week and he said that Orton is already looking much sharper with his focus, pocket presence and release. He said that Clady was the only one looking a little slow at the beginning, but that he picked it up.

Kinda funny part was that he was sitting next to a dad and his two kids, a 6 year old and like a 3 year old. The 6 year old asks "daddy where is Jay Cutler." Before the dad can answer, the 3 year old says "Jay Cutler is gone because he was a big crier and nobody likes him."

Oh thats just priceless.

McDman
08-11-2009, 08:17 PM
Dear God, maybe we finally found a pass rusher...

I don't think Ayers will be a pass rush specialist. I think he will be more solid against the run. Hopefully Doom will step up as our pass rusher.

underrated29
08-11-2009, 08:20 PM
I don't think Ayers will be a pass rush specialist. I think he will be more solid against the run. Hopefully Doom will step up as our pass rusher.



Didnt you hear. It was Moss! Backup OL and everything.


Seriously, Ayers can for sure rush the passer. He looked good rushing in the TC i went to, and on film he looked pretty dam beasty too. I think he will be both, but more importantly a force to be reckoned with.

Broncosfreak_56
08-11-2009, 08:20 PM
I don't think Ayers will be a pass rush specialist. I think he will be more solid against the run. Hopefully Doom will step up as our pass rusher.

Anybody that can beat Clady twice in a row has pass rushing talent. Hell, Clady went up against the top pass rushers last year as a rookie and shut them down.

broncosteven
08-11-2009, 08:21 PM
I have an appointment after practice ....

I hope you didn't have to go to the same place Marshall had to.

I kid because I love...

montrose
08-11-2009, 09:01 PM
Sorry about the delay guys.

Practice was very sharp this afternoon, particularly on defense. We rotated some 4-3 into our 3-4 sets with a DL of Dumervil, Thomas, Fields and McBean and LB of Haggan, Woodyard and DJ but by the time we went to full team - it seemed to be scrapped for our base 3-4 and 2-4 nickel.

The star of practice was Goodman who shut down whomever he was defending. He had four pass defenses by my count, one of which slapped a ball right out of Stokley's hands. Smith had another fine practice, tipping away a pass intended for Stokley and staying step-for-step with McKinley on a go route. I didn't see much of Champ or JMFW. Hill broke up a TD in the redzone to a white WR or TE (Stokley? Swift? Scheffler?) that I was too far away to see. Bruton continues to work with the 1st unit in Dawkins' place although McBath was working in with him as well. Barrett might be in the doghouse as he was exclusivly on the 2nd team in both base and nickel. Furthermore he got reamed by Burns while being a gunner on punt team. The first time he was ran out of bounds and the second play he was being double teamed and quit which led to a tounge lashing.

Ayers had his best practice I've seen, at times having his way with Clady in both one-on-ones as well as full team segments. They've had some battles thus far in camp but at this point, I'd give the edge to Ayers as the better player (at least in one-on-one battles between the two). Ayers beat Clady for a would-be sack and followed it up with a QB pressure that forced a bad pass. Moss got into the action getting a sack on a twist stunt against the backup OL. Didn't notice much of the other front-7 players expect Baker pushing back the pile on one play. DJ didn't practice (or at least I didn't see him).

The starting OL continues to look solid giving Orton time. Ayers, Reid, Crowder and Dumervil are having their moments putting pressure on the QB but only Ayers is actually getting there consistently. Quinn worked with the 1st team in place of Graham and looked sharp in the blocking game, he stoned Crowder on one occassion. Didn't see much of Tony while Jeb had a nice practice catching a few seam passes from Simms.

Brandon Lloyd was the star of the WRs today with Marshall and Eddie out. He made a vintage-spectacular catch with a DB draped all over him and looked to be Orton's big play guy on the 1st team with Stokley and Gaffney. Stokley continues to practice well and could thrive in this offense as a #4 option.

Knowshon's talent is quite easy to see but he still needs a lot of work on his vision as he missed a few cutback lanes and also fumbled while going to the ground. He runs the prettiest routes by a RB I've ever seen. He's already splitting carries on the 1st team with Buckhalter - who had another solid, but unspectacular, practice - although Jordan and Torain were out. With Moreno back, Hillis isn't getting nearly as many reps at HB and is mostly being used at FB and occassionaly split out wide.

Orton was sharp today with only one bad play, which was a great interception by Tony Carter. Otherwise he was sharp with the football and is looking much more comfortable in the offense. He hooked up with Lloyd on a bomb that would've been a 60+ yard TD that had beautiful touch. His lack of chemistry, specifically on deep balls, reminds me of Cutler working with Royal during the 1st week of camp last year. I think once everyone is healthy and he develops better rapport, Orton will be fine directing our attack.

The day finished with some FGs from Prater, I didn't get an exact count but he made a majority including a long one to finish practice.

Los Broncos
08-11-2009, 09:10 PM
If Ayers can beat Clady then he can beat just about anyone.

Maybe we have found a pass rush, finally.

And how much are we working on the running game?

Br0nc0Buster
08-11-2009, 09:15 PM
Sorry about the delay guys.

Practice was very sharp this afternoon, particularly on defense. We rotated some 4-3 into our 3-4 sets with a DL of Dumervil, Thomas, Fields and McBean and LB of Haggan, Woodyard and DJ but by the time we went to full team - it seemed to be scrapped for our base 3-4 and 2-4 nickel.

The star of practice was Goodman who shut down whomever he was defending. He had four pass defenses by my count, one of which slapped a ball right out of Stokley's hands. Smith had another fine practice, tipping away a pass intended for Stokley and staying step-for-step with McKinley on a go route. I didn't see much of Champ or JMFW. Hill broke up a TD in the redzone to a white WR or TE (Stokley? Swift? Scheffler?) that I was too far away to see. Bruton continues to work with the 1st unit in Dawkins' place although McBath was working in with him as well. Barrett might be in the doghouse as he was exclusivly on the 2nd team in both base and nickel. Furthermore he got reamed by Burns while being a gunner on punt team. The first time he was ran out of bounds and the second play he was being double teamed and quit which led to a tounge lashing.

Ayers had his best practice I've seen, at times having his way with Clady in both one-on-ones as well as full team segments. They've had some battles thus far in camp but at this point, I'd give the edge to Ayers as the better player (at least in one-on-one battles between the two). Ayers beat Clady for a would-be sack and followed it up with a QB pressure that forced a bad pass. Moss got into the action getting a sack on a twist stunt against the backup OL. Didn't notice much of the other front-7 players expect Baker pushing back the pile on one play. DJ didn't practice (or at least I didn't see him).

The starting OL continues to look solid giving Orton time. Ayers, Reid, Crowder and Dumervil are having their moments putting pressure on the QB but only Ayers is actually getting there consistently. Quinn worked with the 1st team in place of Graham and looked sharp in the blocking game, he stoned Crowder on one occassion. Didn't see much of Tony while Jeb had a nice practice catching a few seam passes from Simms.

Brandon Lloyd was the star of the WRs today with Marshall and Eddie out. He made a vintage-spectacular catch with a DB draped all over him and looked to be Orton's big play guy on the 1st team with Stokley and Gaffney. Stokley continues to practice well and could thrive in this offense as a #4 option.

Knowshon's talent is quite easy to see but he still needs a lot of work on his vision as he missed a few cutback lanes and also fumbled while going to the ground. He runs the prettiest routes by a RB I've ever seen. He's already splitting carries on the 1st team with Buckhalter - who had another solid, but unspectacular, practice - although Jordan and Torain were out. With Moreno back, Hillis isn't getting nearly as many reps at HB and is mostly being used at FB and occassionaly split out wide.

Orton was sharp today with only one bad play, which was a great interception by Tony Carter. Otherwise he was sharp with the football and is looking much more comfortable in the offense. He hooked up with Lloyd on a bomb that would've been a 60+ yard TD that had beautiful touch. His lack of chemistry, specifically on deep balls, reminds me of Cutler working with Royal during the 1st week of camp last year. I think once everyone is healthy and he develops better rapport, Orton will be fine directing our attack.

The day finished with some FGs from Prater, I didn't get an exact count but he made a majority including a long one to finish practice.

wow
I was really high on Ayers but I didnt expect he could give Clady fits.

Tombstone RJ
08-11-2009, 09:17 PM
thanks montrose

TheReverend
08-11-2009, 09:19 PM
Sorry about the delay guys.

Practice was very sharp this afternoon, particularly on defense. We rotated some 4-3 into our 3-4 sets with a DL of Dumervil, Thomas, Fields and McBean and LB of Haggan, Woodyard and DJ but by the time we went to full team - it seemed to be scrapped for our base 3-4 and 2-4 nickel.

DJ didn't practice (or at least I didn't see him).

Wait... what?

Tombstone RJ
08-11-2009, 09:24 PM
Wait... what?

He meant Andra Davis...

DBroncos4life
08-11-2009, 09:25 PM
I really want Nate Swift to make the team. I think he can be another Stokley.

broncosteven
08-11-2009, 10:10 PM
...
The star of practice was Goodman who shut down whomever he was defending. He had four pass defenses by my count, one of which slapped a ball right out of Stokley's hands. Smith had another fine practice, tipping away a pass intended for Stokley and staying step-for-step with McKinley on a go route. I didn't see much of Champ or JMFW. Hill broke up a TD in the redzone to a white WR or TE (Stokley? Swift? Scheffler?) that I was too far away to see. ...
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So that is 6 plays made by the secondary against either Orton and or Simms...

...
Brandon Lloyd was the star of the WRs today with Marshall and Eddie out. He made a vintage-spectacular catch with a DB draped all over him and looked to be Orton's big play guy on the 1st team with Stokley and Gaffney. Stokley continues to practice well and could thrive in this offense as a #4 option.
...

We will need this to make up for the balls the D has been batting away. Orton and Lloyd George have a history of working with each other back in the day, If Marshall goes down or ends up on the tradeblock Lloyd George and the Broncos new Fuherer under center could do some damamge.

...

Orton was sharp today with only one bad play, which was a great interception by Tony Carter. Otherwise he was sharp with the football and is looking much more comfortable in the offense. He hooked up with Lloyd on a bomb that would've been a 60+ yard TD that had beautiful touch. His lack of chemistry, specifically on deep balls, reminds me of Cutler working with Royal during the 1st week of camp last year. I think once everyone is healthy and he develops better rapport, Orton will be fine directing our attack.

.

Was that almost caught 60+ yard pass caught or would it only have been caught in a real game?

Sharp other than the one bad play and the 7 balls that were batted and the almost caught stuff.


Sorry if my act is getting lame, I have a toddler with a fever who won't fall to sleep. Not tryin to rip on you Montrose but I am looking for a accurate depection of what is going on with the QB that looks like TB when he breaks the huddle and throws.

Thanks for the report, ignore my being an Ahole.

Dudeskey
08-11-2009, 10:19 PM
I don't think Ayers will be a pass rush specialist. I think he will be more solid against the run. Hopefully Doom will step up as our pass rusher.

Can't depend on Doom alone. I believe Ayers is more than capable of complementing him on the other end. A better chance of keeping opposing lines on their toes...

Rock Chalk
08-11-2009, 10:20 PM
So that is 6 plays made by the secondary against either Orton and or Simms...



We will need this to make up for the balls the D has been batting away. Orton and Lloyd George have a history of working with each other back in the day, If Marshall goes down or ends up on the tradeblock Lloyd George and the Broncos new Fuherer under center could do some damamge.



Was that almost caught 60+ yard pass caught or would it only have been caught in a real game?

Sharp other than the one bad play and the 7 balls that were batted and the almost caught stuff.


Sorry if my act is getting lame, I have a toddler with a fever who won't fall to sleep. Not tryin to rip on you Montrose but I am looking for a accurate depection of what is going on with the QB that looks like TB when he breaks the huddle and throws.

Thanks for the report, ignore my being an Ahole.

Being in Chicago, it would be really easy for you to just go ahead and root for the Bears and Cutler and jump off the bandwagon now.

Your act is most definitely getting lame. Its downright ****ing gay.

Paladin
08-11-2009, 10:28 PM
Who the Eff is Lloyd George?

And I will not excuse you for being an ahole. You are what you are.......

Mr.Meanie
08-11-2009, 10:29 PM
Thanks for the report, ignore my being an Ahole.

I don't know if you knew, but there is typically a button on your keyboard called Backspace that has been specifically engineered for people who make lame, retarded, or annoying posts.

Paladin
08-11-2009, 10:31 PM
But, but.... he's a Ahole......

He even agrees with that!!!!!

lazarus4444
08-11-2009, 10:39 PM
From what i know lloyd has always been spectacular in practice but it never translates to game day for some reason. He will probably make the team but i see him as a #5 or #6 WR.

BroncoMan4ever
08-11-2009, 10:43 PM
Yea, i know right. Looks like Moss is finally coming around.

let's not get carried away there buddy. i'd still bet that Moss is looking good in practice and is still going to suck in game situations.

lex
08-11-2009, 10:46 PM
Being in Chicago, it would be really easy for you to just go ahead and root for the Bears and Cutler and jump off the bandwagon now.

Your act is most definitely getting lame. Its downright ****ing gay.

No, its that being from Chicago, he has seen Orton more than anyone else here. Im sure it would be nice if people would submit to your homerific, kool aid drinking obsession with blind acceptance. Ive resisted pounding on Orton. But its amusing that people are just trying to ignore some of his shortcomings. People want to think that Orton is some upgrade over Jay because of his decision making but Orton threw his share of INTs and thats with throwing passes that were less difficult than what we've been seeing with Cutler.

I went into On Demand and accessed the week 15 Bears game vs New Orleans from last year. Two of the biggest criticisms were that Orton really struggled with the deep ball and also that Orton loses track of his guy when scanning the field.

Based on last year, Broncos fans should expect a lot of misfires and possible INTs on deep passes. And as a result of that, they should expect to see more defenders in the box. Also, Orton throws his share of WTF Ints. He's not exempt from this just because he's Cutler. On the other hand, like Cutler, last year was only his second season of being the primary starter. Both Orton and Cutler could get better. But the concerns over Ortons limitations are legitimate.

Caveat Lector
08-11-2009, 11:28 PM
From what i know lloyd has always been spectacular in practice but it never translates to game day for some reason. He will probably make the team but i see him as a #5 or #6 WR.

Spot on there lazarus, he's the ultimate tease. Bouncing around teams, raping them of money, and producing diddly poop on the field. It's just what he does...

DBroncos4life
08-11-2009, 11:51 PM
let's not get carried away there buddy. i'd still bet that Moss is looking good in practice and is still going to suck in game situations.
pretty logical

broncocalijohn
08-11-2009, 11:58 PM
Yea, i know right. Looks like Moss is finally coming around.

I think the pass rusher he was referring to was Ayers not Moss. Moss got a sack on a backup. I saw how everyone thought of training camp last year so I will wait and see on this stiff.

Rock Chalk
08-11-2009, 11:58 PM
No, its that being from Chicago, he has seen Orton more than anyone else here. Im sure it would be nice if people would submit to your homerific, kool aid drinking obsession with blind acceptance. Ive resisted pounding on Orton. But its amusing that people are just trying to ignore some of his shortcomings. People want to think that Orton is some upgrade over Jay because of his decision making but Orton threw his share of INTs and thats with throwing passes that were less difficult than what we've been seeing with Cutler.

So, being more or less optimistic of the team and having a more wait and see approach is homeristic now? You sound like one of those liberal douches calling anyone who doesnt like what this country is doing a racist.

I went into On Demand and accessed the week 15 Bears game vs New Orleans from last year. Two of the biggest criticisms were that Orton really struggled with the deep ball and also that Orton loses track of his guy when scanning the field.

Awesome for you. Its easy to lose track of Devin Hester, he's not a legit wide receiver. He had no line and no try receiving threats. His production there is in no way a reflection of what his production here will be. Unlike you douchebag, I intend on letting the season play out before I start bashing the guy.

Based on last year, Broncos fans should expect a lot of misfires and possible INTs on deep passes. And as a result of that, they should expect to see more defenders in the box. Also, Orton throws his share of WTF Ints. He's not exempt from this just because he's Cutler. On the other hand, like Cutler, last year was only his second season of being the primary starter. Both Orton and Cutler could get better. But the concerns over Ortons limitations are legitimate.
Why should we expect that? We had a lot of misfires and interceptions from Cutler last year. Orton threw fewer interceptions to far less talented people around him than Cutler did and I saw pretty much all of Orton's picks and some were WTF but none of them as ****ing retarded as the previous QB in Denver. I understand concerns, I dont mind concerns. What i do mind is people like you, broncosteven, kamikaze kal and the rest of the downer brigade bagging on EVERYTHING about this team without having seen them play one ****ing snap in THIS system with THESE ****ing players.

So shut the **** up already.

lex
08-12-2009, 12:04 AM
So, being more or less optimistic of the team and having a more wait and see approach is homeristic now? You sound like one of those liberal douches calling anyone who doesnt like what this country is doing a racist.

Awesome for you. Its easy to lose track of Devin Hester, he's not a legit wide receiver. He had no line and no try receiving threats. His production there is in no way a reflection of what his production here will be. Unlike you douchebag, I intend on letting the season play out before I start bashing the guy.

Why should we expect that? We had a lot of misfires and interceptions from Cutler last year. Orton threw fewer interceptions to far less talented people around him than Cutler did and I saw pretty much all of Orton's picks and some were WTF but none of them as ****ing retarded as the previous QB in Denver. I understand concerns, I dont mind concerns. What i do mind is people like you, broncosteven, kamikaze kal and the rest of the downer brigade bagging on EVERYTHING about this team without having seen them play one ****ing snap in THIS system with THESE ****ing players.

So shut the **** up already.


And like I said, the second you say anything that may be perceived as a slight, the Joshheads come running to spin things in a way theyre more comfortable with. Even in the post that you responded to, I acknowledged that both QBs can get better but also that there are very legitimate concerns stemming from his limitations. Its amazing how people only focus on the "there are legitimate concerns" and totally ignore the acknowledgment that he could get better. Theres a difference between being an optimist and having your head in the sand and youve crossed it.

Not every one can so readily lie to themselves like you can. Get over it.

montrose
08-12-2009, 12:32 AM
Wait... what?

Whoops, meant Andra Davis.

Was that almost caught 60+ yard pass caught or would it only have been caught in a real game?

It was caught.


So that is 6 plays made by the secondary against either Orton and or Simms...

Sharp other than the one bad play and the 7 balls that were batted and the almost caught stuff.

Sorry if my act is getting lame, I have a toddler with a fever who won't fall to sleep. Not tryin to rip on you Montrose but I am looking for a accurate depection of what is going on with the QB that looks like TB when he breaks the huddle and throws.

Keep in mind how many throws are in a camp session. Of the six or so plays made against Orton, Simms and Brandstater - that's out of several more attempts than are in an actual game. I'd guestimate both Orton and Simms throw over 100 passes per practice. So if we average things out to an actual game, they're doing quite well.

footstepsfrom#27
08-12-2009, 12:32 AM
The 6 year old asks "daddy where is Jay Cutler." Before the dad can answer, the 3 year old says "Jay Cutler is gone because he was a big crier and nobody likes him."
Sounds like some of our 3 year olds in here. ;D

MagicHef
08-12-2009, 12:37 AM
Yea, i know right. Looks like Moss is finally coming around.

Easy now

same old Moss to me

let's not get carried away there buddy. i'd still bet that Moss is looking good in practice and is still going to suck in game situations.

I think the pass rusher he was referring to was Ayers not Moss. Moss got a sack on a backup. I saw how everyone thought of training camp last year so I will wait and see on this stiff.

What's the record for number of people biting on a sarcastic post?

DarkHorse
08-12-2009, 04:17 AM
No, its that being from Chicago, he has seen Orton more than anyone else here. Im sure it would be nice if people would submit to your homerific, kool aid drinking obsession with blind acceptance. Ive resisted pounding on Orton. But its amusing that people are just trying to ignore some of his shortcomings. People want to think that Orton is some upgrade over Jay because of his decision making but Orton threw his share of INTs and thats with throwing passes that were less difficult than what we've been seeing with Cutler.

I went into On Demand and accessed the week 15 Bears game vs New Orleans from last year. Two of the biggest criticisms were that Orton really struggled with the deep ball and also that Orton loses track of his guy when scanning the field.

Based on last year, Broncos fans should expect a lot of misfires and possible INTs on deep passes. And as a result of that, they should expect to see more defenders in the box. Also, Orton throws his share of WTF Ints. He's not exempt from this just because he's Cutler. On the other hand, like Cutler, last year was only his second season of being the primary starter. Both Orton and Cutler could get better. But the concerns over Ortons limitations are legitimate.


Is that thru your local cable provider or Direct TV? I can't access any older games On Demand with DTV.

Broncoman13
08-12-2009, 05:27 AM
Is that thru your local cable provider or Direct TV? I can't access any older games On Demand with DTV.

He is making shiat up so that he can have a reason to biatch and whine. We should send Lex a blow up doll, that would solve a lot of his problems. His tension is driving me insane, imagine what it's doing to Bob light.

Moreno could run for 150 yards and have 2 TDs and a couple of 25 yard runs and Lex would be here to tell you that he could have had 200 yards if he had legit speed. That's just the way pussface rolls.

As for BroncoSteven... it is getting old and lame. The defense could have been making plays on any one of 3 QBs and you are going out of your way to try and discredit Orton. Either you're not smart enough to figure out that Orton isn't the only QB throwing balls in practice or you have an axe to grind... wonder which one it is.

DarkHorse
08-12-2009, 05:30 AM
He is making shiat up so that he can have a reason to biatch and whine. We should send Lex a blow up doll, that would solve a lot of his problems. His tension is driving me insane, imagine what it's doing to Bob light.

Moreno could run for 150 yards and have 2 TDs and a couple of 25 yard runs and Lex would be here to tell you that he could have had 200 yards if he had legit speed. That's just the way pussface rolls.

As for BroncoSteven... it is getting old and lame. The defense could have been making plays on any one of 3 QBs and you are going out of your way to try and discredit Orton. Either you're not smart enough to figure out that Orton isn't the only QB throwing balls in practice or you have an axe to grind... wonder which one it is.

Ahhh gotcha - had me scanning DTV On Demand thinking I missed something. I can download Big 10 Classic games but that's about it. Still waiting to see some Orton Purdue games come up but most of it so far is Drew Brees run Boilermakers.

dbfan21
08-12-2009, 05:45 AM
So, being more or less optimistic of the team and having a more wait and see approach is homeristic now? You sound like one of those liberal douches calling anyone who doesnt like what this country is doing a racist.

Awesome for you. Its easy to lose track of Devin Hester, he's not a legit wide receiver. He had no line and no try receiving threats. His production there is in no way a reflection of what his production here will be. Unlike you douchebag, I intend on letting the season play out before I start bashing the guy.

Why should we expect that? We had a lot of misfires and interceptions from Cutler last year. Orton threw fewer interceptions to far less talented people around him than Cutler did and I saw pretty much all of Orton's picks and some were WTF but none of them as ****ing retarded as the previous QB in Denver. I understand concerns, I dont mind concerns. What i do mind is people like you, broncosteven, kamikaze kal and the rest of the downer brigade bagging on EVERYTHING about this team without having seen them play one ****ing snap in THIS system with THESE ****ing players.

So shut the **** up already.

+1 :strong:

tsiguy96
08-12-2009, 06:02 AM
can we ban lex yet or no?

Mediator12
08-12-2009, 06:57 AM
So that is 6 plays made by the secondary against either Orton and or Simms...



We will need this to make up for the balls the D has been batting away. Orton and Lloyd George have a history of working with each other back in the day, If Marshall goes down or ends up on the tradeblock Lloyd George and the Broncos new Fuherer under center could do some damamge.



Was that almost caught 60+ yard pass caught or would it only have been caught in a real game?

Sharp other than the one bad play and the 7 balls that were batted and the almost caught stuff.


Sorry if my act is getting lame, I have a toddler with a fever who won't fall to sleep. Not tryin to rip on you Montrose but I am looking for a accurate depection of what is going on with the QB that looks like TB when he breaks the huddle and throws.

Thanks for the report, ignore my being an Ahole.

Well, unfortunately you are not reading for context and analysis.

Depending on the format of practice, the QB's might throw 50-200 contestable passes. 6 or 7 breakups are fairly low, especially in 7 on 7's if they are focusing on throwing to spots anyway. Sometimes, the QB's are asked to throw balls into small windows on purpose in practice in order to get better, even if there is solid coverage. Then, they have to explain what they would do differently in a game in the film room.

Practice is about doing things that are risky to get an edge of knowing where the line is not to cross at this level. That is why INT's and pass breakups ALWAYS happen in TC. You can not grow without risk! TC is where you learn where your risk aversion line is, especially in a new system. If they were always completing passes with no risk then they would not be properly preparing for live game action. The speed of a game is one notch up, and if they are not risking anything in practice, their risk in games will be disastrous.

I have been to several of INDY's TC's including their scrimmage last saturday, and Peyton Manning threw picks in every session I saw trying to simulate game day. And several of those picks were thrown to Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark so its not like he was throwing to scrubs either.

Remember Broncosteven, that everything in practice has a purpose, and way too often people read into it what they want instead of seeing all the angles. Coaches do not always share what the film really says. It is just part of being a fan. Wait till you see the final product on the field week one. Patience is a virtue long lost on many fans...

jsco70
08-12-2009, 07:07 AM
Well, unfortunately you are not reading for context and analysis.

Depending on the format of practice, the QB's might throw 50-200 contestable passes. 6 or 7 breakups are fairly low, especially in 7 on 7's if they are focusing on throwing to spots anyway. Sometimes, the QB's are asked to throw balls into small windows on purpose in practice in order to get better, even if there is solid coverage. Then, they have to explain what they would do differently in a game in the film room.

Practice is about doing things that are risky to get an edge of knowing where the line is not to cross at this level. That is why INT's and pass breakups ALWAYS happen in TC. You can not grow without risk! TC is where you learn where your risk aversion line is, especially in a new system. If they were always completing passes with no risk then they would not be properly preparing for live game action. The speed of a game is one notch up, and if they are not risking anything in practice, their risk in games will be disastrous.

I have been to several of INDY's TC's including their scrimmage last saturday, and Peyton Manning threw picks in every session I saw trying to simulate game day. And several of those picks were thrown to Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark so its not like he was throwing to scrubs either.

Remember Broncosteven, that everything in practice has a purpose, and way too often people read into it what they want instead of seeing all the angles. Coaches do not always share what the film really says. It is just part of being a fan. Wait till you see the final product on the field week one. Patience is a virtue long lost on many fans...

Best post I've ever read on this forum.

Broncoman13
08-12-2009, 07:19 AM
Best post I've ever read on this forum.

He did it by accident... don't give him too much credit! ;D :peace:

An for the record, Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark... pfft, SCRUBS!

Irish Stout
08-12-2009, 07:30 AM
a) Med is a stud;
b) Montrose is awesome - thanks!;
c) The Broncos hit their lowest point in franchise stability in the past 20 years this offseason, people are still shook up about this and will continue to be. However, from the lowest point, most people eventually prefer to look up the hill they are going to climb rather than straight into the side of that hill. Don't worry broncosteven and lex, eventually you too can choose hope and optimism, because really, where else is there to go but up (even if its hard and takes you through a losing season first)?

McDman
08-12-2009, 08:16 AM
You can watch some old games on Comcast's direct tv.

BFDD
08-12-2009, 08:21 AM
I had called a head to the Broncos front office to see if it was ok to bring my DSLR with the lens that I wanted to bring.

When I explained to the guy what it was that I was bringing, he put me on hold, came back and said that it was O.K. and other people had brought theirs without any trouble.

My intentions wasn't to get play formations, but to get some good Broncos photography. I wanted to use the evening light to get some good helmet pictures.

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8481/dsc0445u.jpg

This was the only picture I was able to get off before this midget camera Nazi told me that my camera was considered a "professional" camera.

Pseudofool
08-12-2009, 08:40 AM
Kinda funny part was that he was sitting next to a dad and his two kids, a 6 year old and like a 3 year old. The 6 year old asks "daddy where is Jay Cutler." Before the dad can answer, the 3 year old says "Jay Cutler is gone because he was a big crier and nobody likes him."This made my day.

worm
08-12-2009, 08:43 AM
Ahhh gotcha - had me scanning DTV On Demand thinking I missed something. I can download Big 10 Classic games but that's about it. Still waiting to see some Orton Purdue games come up but most of it so far is Drew Brees run Boilermakers.

I have no idea if you can watch the games via On Demand. However, the NFL.com highlights from that Saints\Bears game show Collinsworth hammering Orton for some of the reasons Lex stated.

underrated29
08-12-2009, 09:09 AM
What's the record for number of people biting on a sarcastic post?



LOL must be a record. I am glad you understood what i was saying. I thought i was being a funny foneco.

broncosteven
08-12-2009, 09:31 AM
Well, unfortunately you are not reading for context and analysis.

Depending on the format of practice, the QB's might throw 50-200 contestable passes. 6 or 7 breakups are fairly low, especially in 7 on 7's if they are focusing on throwing to spots anyway. Sometimes, the QB's are asked to throw balls into small windows on purpose in practice in order to get better, even if there is solid coverage. Then, they have to explain what they would do differently in a game in the film room.

Practice is about doing things that are risky to get an edge of knowing where the line is not to cross at this level. That is why INT's and pass breakups ALWAYS happen in TC. You can not grow without risk! TC is where you learn where your risk aversion line is, especially in a new system. If they were always completing passes with no risk then they would not be properly preparing for live game action. The speed of a game is one notch up, and if they are not risking anything in practice, their risk in games will be disastrous.

I have been to several of INDY's TC's including their scrimmage last saturday, and Peyton Manning threw picks in every session I saw trying to simulate game day. And several of those picks were thrown to Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark so its not like he was throwing to scrubs either.

Remember Broncosteven, that everything in practice has a purpose, and way too often people read into it what they want instead of seeing all the angles. Coaches do not always share what the film really says. It is just part of being a fan. Wait till you see the final product on the field week one. Patience is a virtue long lost on many fans...

Thanks for the info, I haven't been able to make it to any TC ever. I was hoping to go this year now that I have the time but couldn't do it physically.

This is directed more for those that consider me in the Cutler Camp:

I have stated in many threads that I think Orton is great for this team for this year.

My concern is that the Broncos HC is a young 1st time HC who will have to learn everything as he goes on our dime.

The Broncos HC has already come out stating that he underestimated the time commitment of being an HC, not anything that engenders faith from me in him especially when I am a born pessimist.

I am also on record stating that I can't wait to see the product on the field for myself through my own eyes and now that we are in OnSeason mode here I have dumped the old name calling of the Broncos HC and will refer to him as "the Broncos HC" until he wins some games or shows flashes on the field of the talent Pat Bowlen saw in him.

I wasn't attacking Montrose just looking for clarification and tried to make it clear when I was joking, despite being pissy when I am sleep deprived.

It is funny how there is no middle ground here, you are either in one camp or another if you like it or not.

lex
08-12-2009, 09:32 AM
Is that thru your local cable provider or Direct TV? I can't access any older games On Demand with DTV.

Comcast...Im in Chicago. Its under the NFLN menu.

lex
08-12-2009, 09:41 AM
He is making shiat up so that he can have a reason to biatch and whine. We should send Lex a blow up doll, that would solve a lot of his problems. His tension is driving me insane, imagine what it's doing to Bob light.

Moreno could run for 150 yards and have 2 TDs and a couple of 25 yard runs and Lex would be here to tell you that he could have had 200 yards if he had legit speed. That's just the way pussface rolls.

As for BroncoSteven... it is getting old and lame. The defense could have been making plays on any one of 3 QBs and you are going out of your way to try and discredit Orton. Either you're not smart enough to figure out that Orton isn't the only QB throwing balls in practice or you have an axe to grind... wonder which one it is.

Thats not true. As I said previously, in this thread even, a lot of long runs come from not slowing down. TD had a lot of long runs because he could absorb contact with a minimal break in stride. He didnt overenunciate contact. He didnt overjuke and he didnt overdo contact. He ran in a way where he kept often kept moving forward and as a result, he would be sprung on long runs with minimal slow downs. Also, the attributes I mentioned were what sprung him for long runs. Some guys create opportunities at long runs by their own attributes even though they may also miss some opportunities because of a loss of long speed.

Pseudofool
08-12-2009, 09:54 AM
The Broncos HC has already come out stating that he underestimated the time commitment of being an HC, not anything that engenders faith from me in him especially when I am a born pessimist.
I thought it would take ten minutes to eat a turkey sandwich, it ended up taking fifteen. I underestimated the time needed to eat a turkey sandwich. It doesn't mean that I didn't finish the sandwich or that I didn't eat it well. There's is absolutely no reasonable negative that can be taken from McD's statement without a load of pointed, speculative assumptions.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-12-2009, 10:18 AM
I thought it would take ten minutes to eat a turkey sandwich, it ended up taking fifteen. I underestimated the time needed to eat a turkey sandwich. It doesn't mean that I didn't finish the sandwich or that I didn't eat it well. There's is absolutely no reasonable negative that can be taken from McD's statement without a load of pointed, speculative assumptions.

I mean, have you ever visited the OM before?

These are the same folks who thought that his "late to the dance" comment was proof positive that he initiated talks to bring Cassel in.

outdoor_miner
08-12-2009, 10:45 AM
I thought it would take ten minutes to eat a turkey sandwich, it ended up taking fifteen. I underestimated the time needed to eat a turkey sandwich. It doesn't mean that I didn't finish the sandwich or that I didn't eat it well. There's is absolutely no reasonable negative that can be taken from McD's statement without a load of pointed, speculative assumptions.

haha - I was going to make this post, but decided it wasn't worth the effort. I noticed broncosteven worrying about this in the thread where it first came up (I think it was the Sirius radio interviews). It just shows how "glass half empty" people can be. That's not meant as a knock again broncosteven, as he seems like a smart guy. Just that people can look at something as small as that comment (when we have evidence that McDaniels is absolutely meticulous in his preparation) and turn it into something to worry about.

DarkHorse30
08-12-2009, 10:54 AM
I thought it would take ten minutes to eat a turkey sandwich, it ended up taking fifteen. I underestimated the time needed to eat a turkey sandwich. It doesn't mean that I didn't finish the sandwich or that I didn't eat it well. There's is absolutely no reasonable negative that can be taken from McD's statement without a load of pointed, speculative assumptions.

You underestimated your potential eating timetable by 50%. I bet your OMP rating drops by at least 20 points.

Drek
08-12-2009, 11:33 AM
Thats not true. As I said previously, in this thread even, a lot of long runs come from not slowing down. TD had a lot of long runs because he could absorb contact with a minimal break in stride. He didnt overenunciate contact. He didnt overjuke and he didnt overdo contact. He ran in a way where he kept often kept moving forward and as a result, he would be sprung on long runs with minimal slow downs. Also, the attributes I mentioned were what sprung him for long runs. Some guys create opportunities at long runs by their own attributes even though they may also miss some opportunities because of a loss of long speed.
And that is Moreno's best asset.

Adrian Peterson might be the only guy in the NFL today with the total package. Before him I can't even think of the last guy who did (OJ?). Sanders was small, Emmitt Smith didn't have burner speed, neither did TD.

What Moreno brings is his own unique blend of skills. I personally love the comparison Pat Kirwan made on Sirius a month or two before the draft, when he said Moreno reminded him very much of Tiki Barber. If Barber had a bit more passion for the game (maybe less off-field interests would be a better way to put it) he'd be looking like a lock HOF right now. And Moreno is more polished now than Barber was coming out of college. That doesn't mean he'll be better, but he's closer to whatever his ceiling might be today than Tiki Barber was just two weeks into his first season. Another good comparison is Marshall Faulk. He shows the same kind of all around game and while he's a step slower than Faulk he's a bigger, more powerful back and at least his equal in terms of agility.

I know a lot of the negativity comes from his 40 times, but prior to the combine there weren't any questions about Moreno having game breaking speed for the NFL. Just because he can't run a sprinter's 40 in 4.3 seconds flat doesn't change that with the pads on he's shown the ability to break away and take it to the house against the best defenses college football has to offer. He's got the kind of agility (acceleration, lateral movement, and balance) that comes along once a generation. To top it all off, he's one of the most polished RBs in pass pro to come out of college in a very long time, and he runs routes and catches as well as a lot of his collegiate peers who play WR.

He's got the potential to be something VERY special in this league, especially as part of McDaniels' wide open system. He should flourish in the single back, not unlike Marshall Faulk did in the Rams' wide open offense earlier this decade.

broncosteven
08-12-2009, 12:12 PM
haha - I was going to make this post, but decided it wasn't worth the effort. I noticed broncosteven worrying about this in the thread where it first came up (I think it was the Sirius radio interviews). It just shows how "glass half empty" people can be. That's not meant as a knock again broncosteven, as he seems like a smart guy. Just that people can look at something as small as that comment (when we have evidence that McDaniels is absolutely meticulous in his preparation) and turn it into something to worry about.

I was reading the latest copy of Air and Space Mag in the john this morning.

There was an article that explained the differnence between Helicopter pilots and Plane pilots.

Air plane pilots are all laid back and cool, they know if they lose their engines they usually have the option to glide the plane to a safe landing, streets, open fields, hudson river, etc...

Helicopter pilots usually are anticipating failure as they know once they lose their engines and the rotors stop they are going to find themselves plumetting to earth like a brick. Their main concern is how to keep the rotors from breaking off into the cockpit and finding a way to hit the ground to absorb the energy so that they are crippled but avoid paralysis and or death.

It was a very good article.

I think I would make a kickass Helicopter pilot.

lex
08-12-2009, 12:14 PM
And that is Moreno's best asset.

Adrian Peterson might be the only guy in the NFL today with the total package. Before him I can't even think of the last guy who did (OJ?). Sanders was small, Emmitt Smith didn't have burner speed, neither did TD.

What Moreno brings is his own unique blend of skills. I personally love the comparison Pat Kirwan made on Sirius a month or two before the draft, when he said Moreno reminded him very much of Tiki Barber. If Barber had a bit more passion for the game (maybe less off-field interests would be a better way to put it) he'd be looking like a lock HOF right now. And Moreno is more polished now than Barber was coming out of college. That doesn't mean he'll be better, but he's closer to whatever his ceiling might be today than Tiki Barber was just two weeks into his first season. Another good comparison is Marshall Faulk. He shows the same kind of all around game and while he's a step slower than Faulk he's a bigger, more powerful back and at least his equal in terms of agility.

I know a lot of the negativity comes from his 40 times, but prior to the combine there weren't any questions about Moreno having game breaking speed for the NFL. Just because he can't run a sprinter's 40 in 4.3 seconds flat doesn't change that with the pads on he's shown the ability to break away and take it to the house against the best defenses college football has to offer. He's got the kind of agility (acceleration, lateral movement, and balance) that comes along once a generation. To top it all off, he's one of the most polished RBs in pass pro to come out of college in a very long time, and he runs routes and catches as well as a lot of his collegiate peers who play WR.

He's got the potential to be something VERY special in this league, especially as part of McDaniels' wide open system. He should flourish in the single back, not unlike Marshall Faulk did in the Rams' wide open offense earlier this decade.


I know Ive posted this play a lot recently but it really encapsules the greatness of our running game at that time. Check out what Terrell does to the safety. He doesnt attempt an overly pronounced juke (which leads to a slow in momentum and allows the defense to catch up) and he also didnt become so overly preoccupied with Brown that he barrelled into him creating more contact than was necessary. He slightly changed his running angle and used his strength to deflect Brown's contact and in doing so, he barely broke stride.

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My college team is Florida. I love watching the SEC. So Ive seen Moreno play a lot. I think he has more juke in him than what you saw out of Terrell. Im not so sure he is as much of a minimalist as what you saw from Terrell. Im also not so sure he's as strong even though he weighs more.

When Denver drafted Moreno, on NFLN, they asked Terrell what they thought of him. He spoke positively of him but one concern that he had was that Moreno tries executing moves that leaves himself exposed to injury. To me, that sounds like he might be speaking to a lack of the minimalism that you saw from Terrell. But I cant say for sure. If thats the case, I have confidence in Turner that he will straighten out some of the things Terrell might have been concerned about and also he might also eliminate some of the excess juking and spins.

Moreno is very energetic and creative and as you say, he has a lot of tools in the tool box but I think in college he may have relied on some of that in a way that wont work as well in the pros. Thats not to say he will be running by numbers at all. He can scale back on some of the spinning, jumping, and juking and still be outstanding. Here is an example of a subtle cut that was massively effective. This would work at any level.

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Here is an example of how creative he is but its also not something that is exactly adviseable at the next level when you dont know where your next hit is coming from:

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Here is an example of something that could be effective at the next level but also something that could expose him to risk.

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Again, Im not saying none of it would work but some of it may need to be scaled back and also some of it slows him down.

I also think Moreno will be the best RB around the goal line. His repertoire just screams being used at the goal line. I dont really see a need divide labor among the RBs. Moreno is better than pretty much all of the RBs at practically everything. The only RB that I dont think Moreno is better at in all categories is Hillis. I think Hillis' power-speed ratio is the best of the RBs and while he is not a straight line RB the way someone like Alstott is, he's also not Moreno. But if you need more of the straight line element and a passing threat, Hillis is your guy. I think Hillis would be awesome to bring in late in the game when the opponents get tired (if they get tired) and let them deal with that guy.

Also, when you say the total package, it kind of suggests "what one would expect". While Moreno lacks long speed his creativity/moves are kind of on an extended scale. So, I dont compare other running backs to Moreno's juking and jumping. Ultimately, while a lot of them didnt have this, they had balance that was more than sufficient.

outdoor_miner
08-12-2009, 12:16 PM
i think i would make a kickass helicopter pilot.

Hilarious!

bjeffrey
08-12-2009, 12:24 PM
It's amazing how quickly this forum can move from juvenile chest puffing profanity to the most insightful information about the team. Thanks to Montrose, Med and Drek for posts that raise the level of discussion and serve to inform.

outdoor_miner
08-12-2009, 12:25 PM
Here is an example of something that could be effective at the next level but also something that could expose him to risk.

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Holy ****. I had not seen that second play before. He didn't even slow down after that spin. Just an amazing display of balance.

PS - Good post.

azbroncfan
08-12-2009, 12:31 PM
I know Ive posted this play a lot recently but it really encapsules the greatness of our running game at that time. Check out what Terrell does to the safety. He doesnt attempt an overly pronounced juke (which leads to a slow in momentum and allows the defense to catch up) and he also didnt become so overly preoccupied with Brown that he barrelled into him creating more contact than was necessary. He slightly changed his running angle and used his strength to deflect Brown's contact and in doing so, he barely broke stride.

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My college team is Florida. I love watching the SEC. So Ive seen Moreno play a lot. I think he has more juke in him than what you saw out of Terrell. Im not so sure he is as much of a minimalist as what you saw from Terrell. Im also not so sure he's as strong even though he weighs more.

When Denver drafted Moreno, on NFLN, they asked Terrell what they thought of him. He spoke positively of him but one concern that he had was that Moreno tries executing moves that leaves himself exposed to injury. To me, that sounds like he might be speaking to a lack of the minimalism that you saw from Terrell. But I cant say for sure. If thats the case, I have confidence in Turner that he will straighten out some of the things Terrell might have been concerned about and also he might also eliminate some of the excess juking and spins.

Moreno is very energetic and creative and as you say, he has a lot of tools in the tool box but I think in college he may have relied on some of that in a way that wont work as well in the pros. Thats not to say he will be running by numbers at all. He can scale back on some of the spinning, jumping, and juking and still be outstanding. Here is an example of a subtle cut that was massively effective. This would work at any level.

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Here is an example of how creative he is but its also not something that is exactly adviseable at the next level when you dont know where your next hit is coming from:

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Here is an example of something that could be effective at the next level but also something that could expose him to risk.

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Again, Im not saying none of it would work but some of it may need to be scaled back and also some of it slows him down.

I also think Moreno will be the best RB around the goal line. His repertoire just screams being used at the goal line. I dont really see a need divide labor among the RBs. Moreno is better than pretty much all of the RBs at practically everything. The only RB that I dont think Moreno is better at in all categories is Hillis. I think Hillis' power-speed ratio is the best of the RBs and while he is not a straight line RB the way someone like Alstott is, he's also not Moreno. But if you need more of the straight line element and a passing threat, Hillis is your guy. I think Hillis would be awesome to bring in late in the game when the opponents get tired (if they get tired) and let them deal with that guy.

Also, when you say the total package, it kind of suggests "what one would expect". While Moreno lacks long speed his creativity/moves are kind of on an extended scale. So, I dont compare other running backs to Moreno's juking and jumping. Ultimately, while a lot of them didnt have this, they had balance that was more than sufficient.

With all the bashing and tearing down Moreno I would of hate to hear your thoughts on Davis and even Portis when he was drafted. Moreno had a better college career than even your love child Mendenhall and you still remain skeptical even though you wanted a RB over Clady which would of been stupid.

lex
08-12-2009, 12:34 PM
Holy ****. I had not seen that second play before. He didn't even slow down after that spin. Just an amazing display of balance.

PS - Good post.

I agree the second one was nicer than the first because of what you mentioned but at this point, Id be a little concerned of something like that ending up with him getting blown up mid spin.

lex
08-12-2009, 12:40 PM
With all the bashing and tearing down Moreno I would of hate to hear your thoughts on Davis and even Portis when he was drafted. Moreno had a better college career than even your love child Mendenhall and you still remain skeptical even though you wanted a RB over Clady which would of been stupid.

I hope this helps.

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azbroncfan
08-12-2009, 12:40 PM
There was an article that explained the differnence between Helicopter pilots and Plane pilots.

Most are rated in both.

Air plane pilots are all laid back and cool, they know if they lose their engines they usually have the option to glide the plane to a safe landing, streets, open fields, hudson river, etc...

They are? Most are type A nerds.

Broncosfreak_56
08-12-2009, 12:48 PM
With all the bashing and tearing down Moreno I would of hate to hear your thoughts on Davis and even Portis when he was drafted. Moreno had a better college career than even your love child Mendenhall and you still remain skeptical even though you wanted a RB over Clady which would of been stupid.

Not sure where the bashing and tearing down was coming from, he only pointed out some of his weaknesses and things he needs to work on. It was a good post.

DBroncos4life
08-12-2009, 12:57 PM
Really did people have opinions about Davis when he was drafted? I mean come on did posters really sit here and say man what the hell? He is slow what a wasted pick, such a reach in the 6th round for a guy with so little speed. I think we have a stud running back for the first time since Portis but to think that Davis had expectations on the same level as a 12th overall pick in the NFL is flat out nuts.

azbroncfan
08-12-2009, 12:58 PM
Not sure where the bashing and tearing down was coming from, he only pointed out some of his weaknesses and things he needs to work on. It was a good post.

Yeah that post was but he has taken every chance since he was drafted to throw jabs in at him and what a waste of a pick it is. I think where he said he was a Florida fan explains it all since Moreno is UG.

TheReverend
08-12-2009, 01:00 PM
And that is Moreno's best asset.

Adrian Peterson might be the only guy in the NFL today with the total package. Before him I can't even think of the last guy who did (OJ?). Sanders was small, Emmitt Smith didn't have burner speed, neither did TD.

You only have to remember a few years before... LT...

underrated29
08-12-2009, 01:21 PM
I would say steven jackson is in the same category as AP.

Fast, strong, jukes and can catch very well. AP not sure about, but SJ has a crappy team and an even crappier OL. So he gets injured. Other than that i agree....

lex
08-12-2009, 01:23 PM
Yeah that post was but he has taken every chance since he was drafted to throw jabs in at him and what a waste of a pick it is. I think where he said he was a Florida fan explains it all since Moreno is UG.

Thats not true. Ive spoken positively about Moreno. I also havent ignored his weaknesses. And also, I dont hold the fact that he is a Bulldog against him. Its not like he really ever denied Florida anything plus; if there's someone good in the SEC, Im not averse to Denver drafting them simply because they may have played against Florida at some point.

On second thought, I never really like Jamal Lewis or Travis Henry going back to their time at Tenn. I dont know why, either. I liked Shawn Alexander's talent as well as other RBs. I guess thats more of an oddity than the norm. Also, Id generally be the first to say, stay away from UF WRs. I wanted no part of Murphy, for example.

Drek
08-12-2009, 01:30 PM
Also, when you say the total package, it kind of suggests "what one would expect". While Moreno lacks long speed his creativity/moves are kind of on an extended scale. So, I dont compare other running backs to Moreno's juking and jumping. Ultimately, while a lot of them didnt have this, they had balance that was more than sufficient.

Excellent post across the board lex, and I agree with pretty much all of it.

Moreno did use moves that he simply can't in the NFL. That is the maturation process of any elite RB as he transitions from college to the pros.

He can get a little "dancy" (I know, not really a word) but he makes up for it with an absolutely jaw dropping first step. That is the single biggest asset he has that will make up for his lack of elite top end speed, the explosion he shows into and out of a move.

He definitely needs coaching on how to protect himself better and how to be more selective as to when he should push for extra yardage and when to take what he's got. Not even from a injury avoidance standpoint but also to protect the football. But I also think he's got an excellent RB coach in Bobby Turner who had to teach the same things to Portis when he came into this league.

He's never going to be the fastest guy on the team, but he'll be close enough for it not to matter outside of a small handful of plays in a given year, and he's a very impressive standout in almost every category other than that. Its time to celebrate lex, we've both been championing the need to draft an elite back for a few years now and we finally got one.

Drek
08-12-2009, 01:31 PM
You only have to remember a few years before... LT...

I honestly can't bring myself to speak well about a charger until after they retire or leave SD, so he didn't even cross my mind. ;P

lex
08-12-2009, 01:37 PM
Excellent post across the board lex, and I agree with pretty much all of it.

Moreno did use moves that he simply can't in the NFL. That is the maturation process of any elite RB as he transitions from college to the pros.

He can get a little "dancy" (I know, not really a word) but he makes up for it with an absolutely jaw dropping first step. That is the single biggest asset he has that will make up for his lack of elite top end speed, the explosion he shows into and out of a move.

He definitely needs coaching on how to protect himself better and how to be more selective as to when he should push for extra yardage and when to take what he's got. Not even from a injury avoidance standpoint but also to protect the football. But I also think he's got an excellent RB coach in Bobby Turner who had to teach the same things to Portis when he came into this league.

He's never going to be the fastest guy on the team, but he'll be close enough for it not to matter outside of a small handful of plays in a given year, and he's a very impressive standout in almost every category other than that. Its time to celebrate lex, we've both been championing the need to draft an elite back for a few years now and we finally got one.

I think also from the standpoint of not slowing down. This goes back to the TD touchdown that I posted. His "dancyness" may cost him longer runs. In some of those situations a more subtle move would have been better because, while it wouldnt have been as jawdropping, he also wouldnt have broken stride. Againg, I refer back to the TD run. Its not like Moreno capable at the subtle. That cut he made in the Auburn clip could be used in a lot of circumstances to spring him free and not break stride so much.

DenverBrit
08-12-2009, 01:40 PM
Thats not true. Ive spoken positively about Moreno. I also havent ignored his weaknesses. And also, I dont hold the fact that he is a Bulldog against him. Its not like he really ever denied Florida anything plus; if there's someone good in the SEC, Im not averse to Denver drafting them simply because they may have played against Florida at some point.

On second thought, I never really like Jamal Lewis or Travis Henry going back to their time at Tenn. I dont know why, either. I liked Shawn Alexander's talent as well as other RBs. I guess thats more of an oddity than the norm. Also, Id generally be the first to say, stay away from UF WRs. I wanted no part of Murphy, for example.

You live to point out the negative. :moody:

In fact, you go out of your way to do so.....even editing another person's post about Moreno to insert a perceived negative.

TheReverend
08-12-2009, 01:53 PM
I honestly can't bring myself to speak well about a charger until after they retire or leave SD, so he didn't even cross my mind. ;P

Fair enough

MVP-06
08-12-2009, 02:10 PM
Ayers killed Clady two straight.

Ayers= James Harrisson? I hope he transitions to the games the way he practices