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lex
08-09-2009, 02:01 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-vick080909&prov=yhoo&type=lgns


CANTON, Ohio – Michael Vick(notes) wasn’t anywhere near the latest Hall of Fame ceremony, and he hasn’t even returned to the NFL yet. However, there was a reminder of the impact he might have if and when he returns to the league.


Fliers were left on the windshields of cars in the parking lot outside the Pro Football Hall of Fame on Saturday. The fliers read: “Help Wanted: The NFL Hires Pet Killers.”

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Although there was no direct mention of Vick and there was no identification of what organization or person was responsible for the fliers, the message was obvious. In short, Vick’s return will get plenty of negative reaction.


The question is whether some NFL team is willing to put up with that reaction. The Associated Press reported Tuesday that Packers general manager Ted Thompson said the team hadn’t ruled out pursuing Vick, and other teams are believed to have done extensive work in preparation for the chance to sign him.


In the nearly two weeks since Vick was conditionally reinstated to the league, he has yet to visit or hold serious negotiations with any team.

IHaveALight
08-09-2009, 02:21 PM
For ****s sake. He made a mistake, he is human we're all ****ing idiot's sometimes. And on top of that he paid a very steep price for what he did. There's a lot of people out there that have done a lot worse and never paid anything for it. Give the guy a chance to redeem himself.

lex
08-09-2009, 02:22 PM
For ****s sake. He made a mistake, he is human we're all ****ing idiot's sometimes. And on top of that he paid a very steep price for what he did. There's a lot of people out there that have done a lot worse and never paid anything for it. Give the guy a chance to redeem himself.

No way. Its a level of cruelty that goes beyond that.

Dark Helmet
08-09-2009, 02:36 PM
For ****s sake. He made a mistake, he is human we're all ****ing idiot's sometimes. And on top of that he paid a very steep price for what he did. There's a lot of people out there that have done a lot worse and never paid anything for it. Give the guy a chance to redeem himself.

Do you have any pets? How about I come over and strangle, electrocute, shoot and drowned all of the animals in your neighborhood; only after putting them in a pit to fend for their lives first. Does that sound like a "mistake"? Vick should be banned from the NFL for life to prove a point.

KevinJames
08-09-2009, 03:08 PM
this has gone overboard...... dude served his time

nuff said!

521 1N5
08-09-2009, 03:26 PM
Just the way he did it tho- Dude didn't just kill dogs.

Bronx33
08-09-2009, 03:29 PM
this has gone overboard...... dude served his time

nuff said!



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Lolad
08-09-2009, 03:38 PM
No way. Its a level of cruelty that goes beyond that.

Stallworth kills a human being gets nothing, no boycotters out in front of the courthouse when he was on trial. Thats the problem with todays society, it's one of the main reasons why there are repeat offenders. They can't get a second chance because of morons who can never admit they made a mistake no matter how severe

521 1N5
08-09-2009, 03:48 PM
Damn that picture is nasty.

Bronx33
08-09-2009, 03:50 PM
Damn that picture is nasty.



Just trying to make a point with mr kevinjames it seemed he needed to be educated on the victims of vicks past time.

Lolad
08-09-2009, 03:50 PM
Just trying to make a point with mr kevinjames it seemed he needed educated.

It's a dog! it's not HUMAN! where's all the hoopla for Stallworth???? Is a human life not worth more then a dogs?

Bronx33
08-09-2009, 03:52 PM
It's a dog! it's not HUMAN! where's all the hoopla for Stallworth???? Is a human life not worth more then a dogs?


This thread seems to be about a dog killer not Mr stallworth i do understand your anger but you're getting off topic.

Lolad
08-09-2009, 04:05 PM
This thread seems to be about a dog killer not Mr stallworth i do understand your anger but you're getting off topic.

it's the same topic. One killed a dog one killed a human being, but yet the guy who killed a dog ridiculed more then the other. That seems off don't ya think?

lex
08-09-2009, 04:07 PM
Stallworth kills a human being gets nothing, no boycotters out in front of the courthouse when he was on trial. Thats the problem with todays society, it's one of the main reasons why there are repeat offenders. They can't get a second chance because of morons who can never admit they made a mistake no matter how severe

With Vick, it wasnt A mistake when you consider that each time there was a dog fight, more specifically when it was over state lines, a mistake was made. Every time there was a dog fight (especially over state lines) he was breaking the law. So, point of fact, it wasnt A mistake. IT was a "mistake" each time there was a dog fight. It was multiple "mistakes".

Secondly, the bulk of Vicks sentence was for interstate gambling. The penalty for dog fighting per se isnt as severe. So youre wrong in making this comparison as well.

Also, with Stallworth it was an accident and one where he may not even been at fault. The "victim" darted out in front of his car and that was so signifcant that the it mitigated the sentence down to what it was. With Vick, it was not an accident. It was willful and cruel. Your Stallworth comparison sucks.

And lastly, this thread has nothing to do with Stallworth. Speaking out on Vick doesnt imply that youre an advocate of Stallworth. Your comparisons suck and youre not even making sense in going in that direction since Stallworth isnt even relevant.

Bronx33
08-09-2009, 04:08 PM
it's the same topic. One killed a dog one killed a human being, but yet the guy who killed a dog ridiculed more then the other. That seems off don't ya think?

Sorry i must have missed stallworths name in the thread title.

TheChamp24
08-09-2009, 04:09 PM
Now, I am an animal lover, but the man served his time and should be allowed to perform in his line of work.
Do I like Vick for what I did? No, but people commit far worse crimes and nothing happens to them, no riots about that person.
Leonard Little and Donte Stallworth both killed men, yet you don't hear people clamoring they shouldn't get a 2nd chance after drinking and driving.
Instead of focusing on Vick, why don't we focus on stopping the drugs and drunk drivers who kill human beings.

lex
08-09-2009, 04:12 PM
Now, I am an animal lover, but the man served his time and should be allowed to perform in his line of work.
Do I like Vick for what I did? No, but people commit far worse crimes and nothing happens to them, no riots about that person.
Leonard Little and Donte Stallworth both killed men, yet you don't hear people clamoring they shouldn't get a 2nd chance after drinking and driving.
Instead of focusing on Vick, why don't we focus on stopping the drugs and drunk drivers who kill human beings.

And no one is saying Leonard Little should be allowed to play.

lex
08-09-2009, 04:13 PM
it's the same topic. One killed a dog one killed a human being, but yet the guy who killed a dog ridiculed more then the other. That seems off don't ya think?


Youre reasoning is off. Youre off topic and your comparison sucks. They are two totally different circumstances.

ZONA
08-09-2009, 04:16 PM
For the love of God, fliers saying the NFL hires pet killers? They hire alot more then that. How about gang bangers, murderers, women beaters, thieves, racists, and the list goes on and on. Where's all the fliers on those types?

I know everybody wants to be a frickin judge but you're not. He did his time based on what his peers said would be acceptable punishment and right there it ends and starts new. The only thing that should carry over are things that would involve keeping Vick away from repeating this, such as he should not be allowed to have a pet nor own or work for a company that involves animals or pets in any fashion.

I'm fine with him coming back to the NFL. I just don't think I'd want him on my team because I don't think he's a very good QB and I wouldn't waste the roster spot on a "wildcat only" type of player.

gunns
08-09-2009, 04:30 PM
Stallworth kills a human being gets nothing, no boycotters out in front of the courthouse when he was on trial. Thats the problem with todays society, it's one of the main reasons why there are repeat offenders. They can't get a second chance because of morons who can never admit they made a mistake no matter how severe

Damn this **** drives me crazy, reminds me of when my kids would do something and I'm talking to them about it and they say "well he did it too". Fine, but we are talking about Vick right now, not the level of punishment across the board. It is a problem but that's not what this thread is about.

I agree Vick has served his time. But he has to redeem himself before people see that he has changed and that is tough for any ex con. He put himself in this position. I have no problem with him coming back to the NFL to try and do that. And for those saying it was only dogs, a dog is a live, breathing, being. What does it say about a person's character alone who has no feelings or compassion? I doubt prison changed that.

lex
08-09-2009, 04:30 PM
For the love of God, fliers saying the NFL hires pet killers? They hire alot more then that. How about gang bangers, murderers, women beaters, thieves, racists, and the list goes on and on. Where's all the fliers on those types?

I know everybody wants to be a frickin judge but you're not. He did his time based on what his peers said would be acceptable punishment and right there it ends and starts new. The only thing that should carry over are things that would involve keeping Vick away from repeating this, such as he should not be allowed to have a pet nor own or work for a company that involves animals or pets in any fashion.

I'm fine with him coming back to the NFL. I just don't think I'd want him on my team because I don't think he's a very good QB and I wouldn't waste the roster spot on a "wildcat only" type of player.

The people protesting animal abusers arent required to protest according to your heierarchy. Theyre free to focus on what theyre offended by. Others can protest the gangbangers and murderers as they wish. Theres no faulty logic or superceding obligation.

Lolad
08-09-2009, 04:31 PM
With Vick, it wasnt A mistake when you consider that each time there was a dog fight, more specifically when it was over state lines, a mistake was made. Every time there was a dog fight (especially over state lines) he was breaking the law. So, point of fact, it wasnt A mistake. IT was a "mistake" each time there was a dog fight. It was multiple "mistakes".

Secondly, the bulk of Vicks sentence was for interstate gambling. The penalty for dog fighting per se isnt as severe. So youre wrong in making this comparison as well.

Also, with Stallworth it was an accident and one where he may not even been at fault. The "victim" darted out in front of his car and that was so signifcant that the it mitigated the sentence down to what it was. With Vick, it was not an accident. It was willful and cruel. Your Stallworth comparison sucks.

And lastly, this thread has nothing to do with Stallworth. Speaking out on Vick doesnt imply that youre an advocate of Stallworth. Your comparisons suck and youre not even making sense in going in that direction since Stallworth isnt even relevant.

the point is no matter how many mistakes he made he paid for it. The time spent in jail is irrelavent, that's what he was required to do. His debt to society is over with. It's time to move on with his life, he should be able find a job without all the hassle.

lex
08-09-2009, 04:34 PM
the point is no matter how many mistakes he made he paid for it. The time spent in jail is irrelavent, that's what he was required to do. His debt to society is over with. It's time to move on with his life, he should be able find a job without all the hassle.

Again, the time he served was more for the interstate gambling and not so much for the animal cruelty.

And sine its a given that you struggle with remaining topical, its kind of ironic that you would try to discern what "the point is." Youre stuff hasnt even been on point the whole time and now youre claiming to know what the point is.

gunns
08-09-2009, 04:42 PM
It's a dog! it's not HUMAN! where's all the hoopla for Stallworth???? Is a human life not worth more then a dogs?

We're talking about Vick. That the courts made a huge mistake with Stallworth....and Leonard Little, doesn't make what Vick did any less horrible.

ZONA
08-09-2009, 04:43 PM
The people protesting animal abusers arent required to protest according to your heierarchy. Theyre free to focus on what theyre offended by. Others can protest the gangbangers and murderers as they wish. Theres no faulty logic or superceding obligation.

But they are not "protesting animal abusers" as you say. They are protesting that the NFL hires animal abusers. The actual focus is on that the NFL hires these types of people. Therefor, my comment was based on the fact that they hire people that have done far worse then animal abuse. If they want to protest against animal abuse, they would have made fliers that said directly that Vick abused animals and leave out that the NFL hires certain types of people. If I were the commish, I would look into this and try to find out who organized this and pursue action against them, as they are in their own words, protesting against the NFL, not Vick.

Lolad
08-09-2009, 04:43 PM
Damn this **** drives me crazy, reminds me of when my kids would do something and I'm talking to them about it and they say "well he did it too". Fine, but we are talking about Vick right now, not the level of punishment across the board. It is a problem but that's not what this thread is about.

I agree Vick has served his time. But he has to redeem himself before people see that he has changed and that is tough for any ex con. He put himself in this position. I have no problem with him coming back to the NFL to try and do that. And for those saying it was only dogs, a dog is a live, breathing, being. What does it say about a person's character alone who has no feelings or compassion? I doubt prison changed that.

Who are you to judge if he's a changed man? I guarantee you've had you fair share of mistakes. Society already judged him when he went to trial he is now out and a free man. Like I said earlier in this thread I can almost sympathize with felons, they can never find a decent jobs because of people like you.

I'm talking about the petty stuff, I've heard of a girl that threw a drink out of moving car because she was angry at another driver. She was charged and convicted of a felony. It's not as severe as killing a dog but yet she can't find a job because she still hasn't "redeemed" herself in societies eyes

Lolad
08-09-2009, 04:47 PM
Again, the time he served was more for the interstate gambling and not so much for the animal cruelty.

And sine its a given that you struggle with remaining topical, its kind of ironic that you would try to discern what "the point is." Youre stuff hasnt even been on point the whole time and now youre claiming to know what the point is.

If they failed to give him more time for animal cruetly it's not his fault. Move on! Nothings going to change

How is it not relevant? We are still talking about Vick, I just showed how unbalanced society is in when I related both cases. If you can't see how both cases are related when it comes to time served, and how both individuals have been viewed up to this point then we have nothing to talk about anyway.

gunns
08-09-2009, 04:52 PM
Who are you to judge if he's a changed man? I guarantee you've had you fair share of mistakes. Society already judged him when he went to trial he is now out and a free man. Like I said earlier in this thread I can almost sympathize with felons, they can never find a decent jobs because of people like you.

I'm talking about the petty stuff, I've heard of a girl that threw a drink out of moving car because she was angry at another driver. She was charged and convicted of a felony. It's not as severe as killing a dog but yet she can't find a job because she still hasn't "redeemed" herself in societies eyes

I can express my opinion and I find it hard to think that an adult man capable of the horrible things he allowed to happen to those dogs would be changed by going to prison. Now I'm sure he will never do it again, I'm sure prison did that for him, but did it change the man capable of allowing those horrible things? IMO, I doubt it. As far as already being judged, you can't stop people from being leery of him until he does show he's changed and as I said I have no problem with him coming back to the NFL to try and do that. But do you think murderers get out of prison and everyone looks at them as Joe Q. Public right away. Please. And as far as that girl, that goes back to punishments handed out by the courts and also the choice she made. Very mature action on her part.

Bronx33
08-09-2009, 04:52 PM
Who are you to judge if he's a changed man? I guarantee you've had you fair share of mistakes. Society already judged him when he went to trial he is now out and a free man. Like I said earlier in this thread I can almost sympathize with felons, they can never find a decent jobs because of people like you.

I'm talking about the petty stuff, I've heard of a girl that threw a drink out of moving car because she was angry at another driver. She was charged and convicted of a felony. It's not as severe as killing a dog but yet she can't find a job because she still hasn't "redeemed" herself in societies eyes



That will teach her to waste a perfectly good beverage.

Williams
08-09-2009, 04:58 PM
Its gonna be a season long PR nightmare for the team that signs Vick. Very much not worth the meager advantage he brings a team.

lex
08-09-2009, 05:00 PM
If they failed to give him more time for animal cruetly it's not his fault. Move on! Nothings going to change

How is it not relevant? We are still talking about Vick, I just showed how unbalanced society is in when I related both cases. If you can't see how both cases are related when it comes to time served, and how both individuals have been viewed up to this point then we have nothing to talk about anyway.

If he has done little to no time for the cruelty dimension of it, you can certainly question whether he has done his time.

lex
08-09-2009, 05:04 PM
But they are not "protesting animal abusers" as you say. They are protesting that the NFL hires animal abusers. The actual focus is on that the NFL hires these types of people. Therefor, my comment was based on the fact that they hire people that have done far worse then animal abuse. If they want to protest against animal abuse, they would have made fliers that said directly that Vick abused animals and leave out that the NFL hires certain types of people. If I were the commish, I would look into this and try to find out who organized this and pursue action against them, as they are in their own words, protesting against the NFL, not Vick.

Of course theyre protesting animal abusers. Theyre not protesting any other type of people that the NFL hires. Animal abuse is what causes them to discern from other groups.

TheChamp24
08-09-2009, 06:08 PM
I have no idea what this thread is about now...