Tea Party People to March on Washington - Sept. 12th, 2009

[epicSocialism4tw]

http://912dc.org/

Obama has stirred up a firestorm with this healthcare issue. It takes alot to get Americans motivated to take time off of work to make political statements, but Obama has managed to do so in very little time. He has been spending the populace's tax dollars like they belong to him, and its no wonder that people are upset about it.

Obama won the election in large part because the dems were able to paint the repubs as money wasters...taking tax dollars and giving it to priveledged political allies through the bailouts and the Iraq war.

Many Americans were fooled into believing that the dems would be more trustworthy, and they voted likewise for Obama and democratic congresspeople. It isnt any wonder why taxpaying members of society would be up in arms when the dems come into power under the premise of solving the economic problems, but instead they use the opportunity to strong-arm the American people by fear-mongering into the most expensive series of programs in the history of the country. Who pays for them? Joe Taxpayer. Whose civil liberties are at stake? Joe Taxpayer.

What the dems dont understand is that Joe Taxpayer is stretched thin in this economy and is stressed out about it. His job and his family are in jeopardy. This is a common story these days. Instead of being fiscally responsible like those who voted for the dems hoped, the dems have morphed into a machine that thinks only of satisfying its needs to implement the socialist policies they had always dreamed of at the expense of already stretched-thin Joe Taxpayer who doesnt want the programs anyway...especially while his job and the economy are unstable.

Obama has opened a can of worms here, and I think that he should really think about slowing this process down. People understand health care to a large extent better than they do other abstract political issues because they are involved with health care and insurance on a daily basis. Not everyone understands Freddie Mac, but alot of regular folks generally understand what the single payer system is, that they dont want the government to have unfettered access to their health information, and what cost/benefit risk analysis will ultimately do to care.

I'm afraid that this movement will only grow. There are people I know who have never been politically motivated before who have told me that theyre marching on Washington over this issue. Obama would be wise to quench his party's desire to intimidate them, and to call the union thugs and community organizers off immediately.

[Rohirrim]

Marching over what issue? There's nothing happening. Congress is on break. The bill is on hold. The only thing these idiots are marching on is the rage that a bunch of talking heads have generated by spewing crap that isn't even in the bill. Euthanasia? Socialism? Single payer? And even if any of these things were in the bill, it still has to go through the House and Senate. At this point, marching on Washington over a non-existent bill is simply a declaration of stupidity. Ha!

[Spider]

LOL Tea baggers = #1 reason for birth control

[epicSocialism4tw]

Marching over what issue? There's nothing happening. Congress is on break. The bill is on hold. The only thing these idiots are marching on is the rage that a bunch of talking heads have generated by spewing crap that isn't even in the bill. Euthanasia? Socialism? Single payer? And even if any of these things were in the bill, it still has to go through the House and Senate. At this point, marching on Washington over a non-existent bill is simply a declaration of stupidity.


I would say that its more of an indicator as just to how much this issue motivates Americans to strongly react to their government.

Many people oppose this concept. They arent represented through the mainstream press, and I think that it has resulted in a spilling over of emotions. These people werent given a voice with the bailout bills of both adminstrations, the immigration issue (also another money issue) in terms of both administrations, the GM buyout, and now the health care bill. People are saying that enough is enough, and for the government to get out of their pockets.

The bad thing for Obama is that this sense of oppression is only going to increase with each socialistic program that he tries to implement, and then if he goes back to the tactic of slipping policies by Americans overnight when nobody has a chance to look at what he's proposing, then he's going to look like a tyrant.

[Inkana7]

To complain about...the recovering economy?

[Inkana7]

I would say that its more of an indicator as just to how much this issue motivates Americans to strongly react to their government.

Many people oppose this concept. They arent represented through the mainstream press, and I think that it has resulted in a spilling over of emotions. These people werent given a voice with the bailout bills of both adminstrations, the immigration issue (also another money issue) in terms of both administrations, the GM buyout, and now the health care bill. People are saying that enough is enough, and for the government to get out of their pockets.

The bad thing for Obama is that this sense of oppression is only going to increase with each socialistic program that he tries to implement, and then if he goes back to the tactic of slipping policies by Americans overnight when nobody has a chance to look at what he's proposing, then he's going to look like a tyrant.
This is almost word-for-word Glenn Beck speak. Now start crying...NOW.

[Rohirrim]

I would say that its more of an indicator as just to how much this issue motivates Americans to strongly react to their government.

Many people oppose this concept. They arent represented through the mainstream press, and I think that it has resulted in a spilling over of emotions. These people werent given a voice with the bailout bills of both adminstrations, the immigration issue (also another money issue) in terms of both administrations, the GM buyout, and now the health care bill. People are saying that enough is enough, and for the government to get out of their pockets.

The bad thing for Obama is that this sense of oppression is only going to increase with each socialistic program that he tries to implement, and then if he goes back to the tactic of slipping policies by Americans overnight when nobody has a chance to look at what he's proposing, then he's going to look like a tyrant.

You are just flat ridiculous. "Sense of oppression?" "Socialistic program?" What a clown. Hell, if you'd actually pay attention to what is going on you'd realize this bill is getting sold down the river piece by piece. While your idiot tea baggers are squealing in hysterics, big pharma has already bought off the option for the government to shop around for the best price in medicines, which would have saved billions.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/09/health/policy/09lobby.html?_r=1

Believe me, by the time this bill comes out of Congress we'll be lucky if it covers a tenth of the uninsured in this country. The really hilarious part comes next year after the bill gets killed and the insurance giants raise the tea baggers' rates by another 20%. The tea baggers and all these other doofuses will be looking at their paychecks and then look at each other and say, "****, Earl. We really need some health care reform in this country." Hilarious!

[Hogan11]

Dub it The Million Moron March

[Bob]

http://912dc.org/

Obama has stirred up a firestorm with this healthcare issue. It takes alot to get Americans motivated to take time off of work to make political statements, but Obama has managed to do so in very little time. He has been spending the populace's tax dollars like they belong to him, and its no wonder that people are upset about it.

Obama won the election in large part because the dems were able to paint the repubs as money wasters...taking tax dollars and giving it to priveledged political allies through the bailouts and the Iraq war.

Many Americans were fooled into believing that the dems would be more trustworthy, and they voted likewise for Obama and democratic congresspeople. It isnt any wonder why taxpaying members of society would be up in arms when the dems come into power under the premise of solving the economic problems, but instead they use the opportunity to strong-arm the American people by fear-mongering into the most expensive series of programs in the history of the country. Who pays for them? Joe Taxpayer. Whose civil liberties are at stake? Joe Taxpayer.

What the dems dont understand is that Joe Taxpayer is stretched thin in this economy and is stressed out about it. His job and his family are in jeopardy. This is a common story these days. Instead of being fiscally responsible like those who voted for the dems hoped, the dems have morphed into a machine that thinks only of satisfying its needs to implement the socialist policies they had always dreamed of at the expense of already stretched-thin Joe Taxpayer who doesnt want the programs anyway...especially while his job and the economy are unstable.

Obama has opened a can of worms here, and I think that he should really think about slowing this process down. People understand health care to a large extent better than they do other abstract political issues because they are involved with health care and insurance on a daily basis. Not everyone understands Freddie Mac, but alot of regular folks generally understand what the single payer system is, that they dont want the government to have unfettered access to their health information, and what cost/benefit risk analysis will ultimately do to care.

I'm afraid that this movement will only grow. There are people I know who have never been politically motivated before who have told me that theyre marching on Washington over this issue. Obama would be wise to quench his party's desire to intimidate them, and to call the union thugs and community organizers off immediately.

My concern now, is what teh Union thugs will do to them, or the plants (skin heads for example) they will put into the group, that MSNBC will run with and never retract...

[peacepipe]

My concern now, is what teh Union thugs will do to them, or the plants (skin heads for example) they will put into the group, that MSNBC will run with and never retract... They're not plants, they are what's left of the republican party.

[Dukes]

To complain about...the recovering economy?

We are far from it.

[Bronx33]

To complain about...the recovering economy?

A few reports don't mean **** heck they were rubbing their clits over a 10th of a percent drop in unemployment and that's the first time in a long time they got to pleasure themselves.

[Spider]

LOL I tried to get a run to Dc , for the tea baggers march ...... the fun I could have . off the charts ;D

[frerottenextelway]

Is 912 run by Dick Army or Glen Beck. I thought it was Beck, but I see Army's banners on the site. Maybe they're working together! Anyways, another grassroots movement!

[frerottenextelway]

A few reports don't mean **** heck they were rubbing their clits over a 10th of a percent drop in unemployment and that's the first time in a long time they got to pleasure themselves.

Hmmm.... You seem upset about the economy turning the corner.

[frerottenextelway]

You are just flat ridiculous. "Sense of oppression?" "Socialistic program?" What a clown. Hell, if you'd actually pay attention to what is going on you'd realize this bill is getting sold down the river piece by piece. While your idiot tea baggers are squealing in hysterics, big pharma has already bought off the option for the government to shop around for the best price in medicines, which would have saved billions.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/09/health/policy/09lobby.html?_r=1

Believe me, by the time this bill comes out of Congress we'll be lucky if it covers a tenth of the uninsured in this country. The really hilarious part comes next year after the bill gets killed and the insurance giants raise the tea baggers' rates by another 20%. The tea baggers and all these other doofuses will be looking at their paychecks and then look at each other and say, "****, Earl. We really need some health care reform in this country." Hilarious!

Seems like half the teabaggers are on medicare. Some aren't even insured (the one that got injured in tampa wasn't, lol). I think a lot of this has very little to do with health care anyways, which is why they are so comfortable in their outrageous lies about it.

[Bob]

You are just flat ridiculous. "Sense of oppression?" "Socialistic program?" What a clown. Hell, if you'd actually pay attention to what is going on you'd realize this bill is getting sold down the river piece by piece. While your idiot tea baggers are squealing in hysterics, big pharma has already bought off the option for the government to shop around for the best price in medicines, which would have saved billions.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/09/health/policy/09lobby.html?_r=1

Believe me, by the time this bill comes out of Congress we'll be lucky if it covers a tenth of the uninsured in this country. The really hilarious part comes next year after the bill gets killed and the insurance giants raise the tea baggers' rates by another 20%. The tea baggers and all these other doofuses will be looking at their paychecks and then look at each other and say, "****, Earl. We really need some health care reform in this country." Hilarious!

can you talk about issues without every word slapping those you feel need more education about various issues? is it possible to change it without giving more power to the federal government? Why is that such a silly question to ask?

Somehow, i dont think that what might be the most important bill these guys will ever vote on, needs to be "rushed" through, unread by most of them. Like the tarp related stuff -- things get buried in the rush. if unemployment gets high enough eventually it will happen -- it is my contention that this is not about fixing heathcare, but yet another power grab -- that folks left of center will also want out of, after an R gets elected, with more power than ever.

[Spider]

can you talk about issues without every word slapping those you feel need more education about various issues?.

speaking for myself , you cant let an Idiot think they have a legitimate position..... ....thats how you end up with a Bush in office

[Bob]

To complain about...the recovering economy?

I hope it does recover -- but I'm afraid Newsweek is jumping the gun... again.

[Bob]

speaking for myself , you cant let an Idiot think they have a legitimate position..... ....thats how you end up with a Bush in office

I understand the principle of standing up for what you think is right .. but being American means letting idiots say whats on their mind, (or what's not on it, as the case may be.) It means me letting Shehan (is that her name) say what she wants, and it means you letting Rush speak his mind. I'm affraid we have to "let" Americans think what they want.

When I'm sixty, maybe I will be able to practice what I preach, but I'm working at it...

[Rohirrim]

can you talk about issues without every word slapping those you feel need more education about various issues? is it possible to change it without giving more power to the federal government? Why is that such a silly question to ask?

Somehow, i dont think that what might be the most important bill these guys will ever vote on, needs to be "rushed" through, unread by most of them. Like the tarp related stuff -- things get buried in the rush. if unemployment gets high enough eventually it will happen -- it is my contention that this is not about fixing heathcare, but yet another power grab -- that folks left of center will also want out of, after an R gets elected, with more power than ever.

When somebody says something Palinesque, they need to be confronted. Otherwise somebody might think their ridiculous take has some validity. Try to understand. This bill hasn't even gone to conference. Can you possibly understand this? The rightard fringe is going berserk over something that doesn't exist. Not only that, they are going berserk over things that aren't even in the bill being discussed.

Here's a little factoid from Senator Sanders today: At the rate health care has been rising for the last ten years, in ten more years it will take up 50% of your income. Who can stop the insurance giants and big pharma if not our representative government?. You think the free market is going to do it? How did Teddy Roosevelt stop the monopolies that were destroying the American economy? Government. The Sherman Act. Enforcement that smashed the monopolists. The propaganda campaign of the health care industry has now painted the government as the villains. Really? Is that true? You're more afraid of the single-payer, public option health care system that we really should employ (but won't) to compete with these giants, than you are about the villains those giants have become. You're more afraid of the danger that does not exist than the one that does! There is no other force that can fight these villains and reform this system other THAN representative government. That's why it's there.

The health care industry understands this perfectly. Government is the only thing that can stop them. That's why they are spending millions per day to paint the government as the enemy. Word to the wise: In America, the government is US.

[mhgaffney]

McSkillet still thinks in partisan terms.

So what now McSkillet? Would you have us swerve back the other way -- to the Repukes?

You think Bush's war spending was just imaginary?

The truth is the New World Order controls BOTH parties. So obviously if there is a way out -- it can't be politics as usual.

[Dukes]

McSkillet still thinks in partisan terms.

So what now McSkillet? Would you have us swerve back the other way -- to the Repukes?

You think Bush's war spending was just imaginary?

The truth is the New World Order controls BOTH parties. So obviously if there is a way out -- it can't be politics as usual.

There's only a couple of people here that don't think in partisan terms, you're certainly not one of them.

[ak1971]

I hope it does recover -- but I'm afraid Newsweek is jumping the gun... again.

The economy will recover in due time, but it sure isnt ready yet. We are in for a big down fall in the markets .. IMHO opinion a real recovery is a few years off

[alkemical]

marching and protesting does nothing anymore.

[El Guapo]

It's on 9/12 because on 9|12|01 America was united as one. Our principles automatically aligned up and we became a strong nation once again. Since we have forgotten 9|11, our morals and values have digressed and this is to remind us that we need to stand up and be a strong country once again, both Repub's and Dem's, together.

Although I have to agree with the above, Amej. OH, and how dare a group speak their minds (you know, it's called the 1st ammendment), but the sentiment from the Obama admin is "if you're not with us, to hell with you." That's not exactly how I want my President to act.

[Rohirrim]

Yeah, we were united on 9/12 right up until our president decided to lie us into a war with the wrong country and questioned the patriotism of anybody who disagreed with his lies, or in the case of Valerie Plame, destroyed their careers.

BTW, the people shouting down their reps at these town hall meetings are not "speaking their minds." They're doing everything they can to stop anybody else from speaking theirs. This is exactly why we have this division in this country. The Right Wing says, "My way or the highway and you're a traitor and a terrorist if you don't agree." Not exactly conducive to cooperation.

[Odysseus]

It's on 9/12 because on 9|12|01 America was united as one. Our principles automatically aligned up and we became a strong nation once again. Since we have forgotten 9|11, our morals and values have digressed and this is to remind us that we need to stand up and be a strong country once again, both Repub's and Dem's, together.

Although I have to agree with the above, Amej. OH, and how dare a group speak their minds (you know, it's called the 1st ammendment), but the sentiment from the Obama admin is "if you're not with us, to hell with you." That's not exactly how I want my President to act.

Why are you speaking so badly about George Bush? Wasn't he our President as well?

I don't mind people voicing their opinions but the insults and insinuations of some of the conservative groups are marginalizing and hate filled. How are you going to fuel a national debate when you gut the very concept of inclusiveness that is required? You will have a "mob" that is for sure but it's a group of people dedicated against something and not for something.

I wish that you were for one America but that is ruse and an insult to anyone intelligent. It's more nostalgia, guilt, blame and angry association.

Pop Quiz: What horrible thing happened in Broncos history in Denver that ended a Broncos star reciever's career on September 10th? This is a Broncos forum. That should be easy.








Hint: Long live the Mustard King!

[Odysseus]

Yeah, we were united on 9/12 right up until our president decided to lie us into a war with the wrong country and questioned the patriotism of anybody who disagreed with his lies, or in the case of Valerie Plame, destroyed their careers.

BTW, the people shouting down their reps at these town hall meetings are not "speaking their minds." They're doing everything they can to stop anybody else from speaking theirs. This is exactly why we have this division in this country. The Right Wing says, "My way or the highway and you're a traitor and a terrorist if you don't agree." Not exactly conducive to cooperation.

Why isn't this common sense?

[Rohirrim]

Yeah, the Right wants to talk about health care: The president is putting together death panels that will decide whether or not my retarded child has any societal value and then they'll euthanize him.

Nice talk.

[alkemical]

It's on 9/12 because on 9|12|01 America was united as one. Our principles automatically aligned up and we became a strong nation once again. Since we have forgotten 9|11, our morals and values have digressed and this is to remind us that we need to stand up and be a strong country once again, both Repub's and Dem's, together.

Although I have to agree with the above, Amej. OH, and how dare a group speak their minds (you know, it's called the 1st ammendment), but the sentiment from the Obama admin is "if you're not with us, to hell with you." That's not exactly how I want my President to act.

lol, hypocrisy be thy name

[TailgateNut]

Dub it The Million Moron March
:thanku:

[TailgateNut]

Why are you speaking so badly about George Bush? Wasn't he our President as well?

I don't mind people voicing their opinions but the insults and insinuations of some of the conservative groups are marginalizing and hate filled. How are you going to fuel a national debate when you gut the very concept of inclusiveness that is required? You will have a "mob" that is for sure but it's a group of people dedicated against something and not for something.

I wish that you were for one America but that is ruse and an insult to anyone intelligent. It's more nostalgia, guilt, blame and angry association.

Pop Quiz: What horrible thing happened in Broncos history in Denver that ended a Broncos star reciever's career on September 10th? This is a Broncos forum. That should be easy.








Hint: Long live the Mustard King!


Eddie broke his frigging leg at the new and unimproved Mile High.

[El Guapo]

Why are you speaking so badly about George Bush? Wasn't he our President as well?

I don't mind people voicing their opinions but the insults and insinuations of some of the conservative groups are marginalizing and hate filled. How are you going to fuel a national debate when you gut the very concept of inclusiveness that is required? You will have a "mob" that is for sure but it's a group of people dedicated against something and not for something.

I wish that you were for one America but that is ruse and an insult to anyone intelligent. It's more nostalgia, guilt, blame and angry association.

Pop Quiz: What horrible thing happened in Broncos history in Denver that ended a Broncos star reciever's career on September 10th? This is a Broncos forum. That should be easy.



McCaffery broke his leg.

[TailgateNut]

McCaffery broke his leg.

Who's McCaffery?;D



.....PS: see previous post!

[El Guapo]

Ah, I didnt read the rest of the thread to see that you already answered it. At least we're all Broncos fans here. :D

[TailgateNut]

. At least we're all Broncos fans here. :D


Ther are a few who a teetering on the edge due to the Jay FIRING.;D

[Rohirrim]

Ther are a few who a teetering on the edge due to the Jay FIRING.;D

Some of that Jaylove makes me a little uncomfortable, if you know I mean.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. ;D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You are just flat ridiculous.

http://www.bartcop.com/jesus-gop-dinosaur.jpg

[Northman]

Ther are a few who a teetering on the edge due to the Jay FIRING.;D

Who's Jay?

[Bob]

When somebody says something Palinesque, they need to be confronted. Otherwise somebody might think their ridiculous take has some validity. Try to understand. This bill hasn't even gone to conference. Can you possibly understand this? The rightard fringe is going berserk over something that doesn't exist. Not only that, they are going berserk over things that aren't even in the bill being discussed.

Here's a little factoid from Senator Sanders today: At the rate health care has been rising for the last ten years, in ten more years it will take up 50% of your income. Who can stop the insurance giants and big pharma if not our representative government?. You think the free market is going to do it? How did Teddy Roosevelt stop the monopolies that were destroying the American economy? Government. The Sherman Act. Enforcement that smashed the monopolists. The propaganda campaign of the health care industry has now painted the government as the villains. Really? Is that true? You're more afraid of the single-payer, public option health care system that we really should employ (but won't) to compete with these giants, than you are about the villains those giants have become. You're more afraid of the danger that does not exist than the one that does! There is no other force that can fight these villains and reform this system other THAN representative government. That's why it's there.

The health care industry understands this perfectly. Government is the only thing that can stop them. That's why they are spending millions per day to paint the government as the enemy. Word to the wise: In America, the government is US.

You make some good points...really. I guess as I am a social worker in healthcare, I am part of the ever-growing list of Americans with jobs to be targeted.

I so happen to be one of those who think that single payor would simply crush the economy and worry when I hear Obama (from 2004?) speak about how the private system would be eventually squeezed out of business -- not is exact words, but it was very clear to me, that at that point in his life, he thought that would be a good thing.

You have a good point about how many things will change in teh bill, but if none of the public spoke out about it, would it have passed without many changes to the more iffy parts of the bill? Another basic concern I have is that if any portion passes could it be used as a framework for more power to shift from the private sector to the government. When you feel burned under Bush, it is heard for me to give government more and more leash. And all these guys do (not just Obama) ask for are more powers to act without Congressional oversite. Once this framework is built, will it simple take power to itself? I can "hope" that it doesnt, and that their wont be unforseen bad consquences, but past experince has taught me otherwise. I dont see government having that much foresight -- honestly, it doesnt take a genus to see certain storms like a tsami of debt obligations coming -- and yet they act like it will never come? If they dont see that, they are too stupid to lead me safely -- if they do see it, but dont care then I am forced to think that they are going to use that coming crisis and that something wicked this way comes.

[Meck77]

I was just to the right of your seats when that happened Nut. Seemed like such a big deal at the time.

9-11 really did **** this country up in more ways than one. We're really paying for it now and the worst is probably yet to come when we get in another "holy war" for the "holy land". Yeah yeah it's about cheap oil. Uh huh.

[TailgateNut]

I was just to the right of your seats when that happened Nut. Seemed like such a big deal at the time.

9-11 really did **** this country up in more ways than one. We're really paying for it now and the worst is probably yet to come when we get in another "holy war" for the "holy land". Yeah yeah it's about cheap oil. Uh huh.


Yep, that "cheap oil thinghy" really worked out. I see prices fluctuating based on the constipation of the gas station owners. I can't see any other reason. Those who believed the reasons to go to war in Iraq which Bush fed us need to be flogged until reality sets in.

[Rohirrim]

You make some good points...really. I guess as I am a social worker in healthcare, I am part of the ever-growing list of Americans with jobs to be targeted.

I so happen to be one of those who think that single payor would simply crush the economy and worry when I hear Obama (from 2004?) speak about how the private system would be eventually squeezed out of business -- not is exact words, but it was very clear to me, that at that point in his life, he thought that would be a good thing.

You have a good point about how many things will change in teh bill, but if none of the public spoke out about it, would it have passed without many changes to the more iffy parts of the bill? Another basic concern I have is that if any portion passes could it be used as a framework for more power to shift from the private sector to the government. When you feel burned under Bush, it is heard for me to give government more and more leash. And all these guys do (not just Obama) ask for are more powers to act without Congressional oversite. Once this framework is built, will it simple take power to itself? I can "hope" that it doesnt, and that their wont be unforseen bad consquences, but past experince has taught me otherwise. I dont see government having that much foresight -- honestly, it doesnt take a genus to see certain storms like a tsami of debt obligations coming -- and yet they act like it will never come? If they dont see that, they are too stupid to lead me safely -- if they do see it, but dont care then I am forced to think that they are going to use that coming crisis and that something wicked this way comes.

What we need to do is get back to the basics. What this health care bill is directed at is insuring the uninsured in order to lower costs on the insured. The intent is not to mess with the insurance of those who are already insured. Obviously, if we get the uninsured covered, we lower costs. The uninsured going to the ER is the biggest cost drag on the system.

I am not as concerned about power shifting to the government as I am about power shifting to the corporate oligarchs. Of course, that ship has sailed. It's pretty easy to see, in watching this health care debate, where the true power lies, and it's not with the government. Fear of government is what is called a "misdirection ploy." While you are looking over there, your wallet and watch are being removed.

[Dukes]

What we need to do is get back to the basics. What this health care bill is directed at is insuring the uninsured in order to lower costs on the insured. The intent is not to mess with the insurance of those who are already insured. Obviously, if we get the uninsured covered, we lower costs. The uninsured going to the ER is the biggest cost drag on the system.

I am not as concerned about power shifting to the government as I am about power shifting to the corporate oligarchs. Of course, that ship has sailed. It's pretty easy to see, in watching this health care debate, where the true power lies, and it's not with the government. Fear of government is what is called a "misdirection ploy." While you are looking over there, your wallet and watch are being removed.


For the most part I agree with you, but if they really don't plan on disrupting private insurance then I have two questions.

1. Why is congress saying saying that private healthcare will bankrupt our country if they don't actually plan on taking it away?

2. Obama has already said he's planning on going to single payer. Some people just decide not to listen. So which is it?

[Bob]

For the most part I agree with you, but if they really don't plan on disrupting private insurance then I have two questions.

1. Why is congress saying saying that private healthcare will bankrupt our country if they don't actually plan on taking it away?

2. Obama has already said he's planning on going to single payer. Some people just decide not to listen. So which is it?

On your last point, Obama is not the only one how has stated thier intentions. They can say they are ok with choices, but it might be like saying that one has the freedom to bear arms, but tax bullets so high that it becomes impossible (for most) to enjoy hunting -- this has not happened nationally, but you get my point -- you dont have to ban something or make it illegal to reduce access. I hate these types of tactics, but they are "smart."

[Rohirrim]

For the most part I agree with you, but if they really don't plan on disrupting private insurance then I have two questions.

1. Why is congress saying saying that private healthcare will bankrupt our country if they don't actually plan on taking it away?

2. Obama has already said he's planning on going to single payer. Some people just decide not to listen. So which is it?

The way I understand it is that if we do nothing to reform our system the costs of health care will wipe out our economy. We can't climb out of this recession if we don't get a handle on health care costs.

From what I've heard, Obama has flip-flopped on single payer. Durbin said it's probably out. So have a few others. I'm all for a single payer, public option, but I doubt that's what is going to happen. Frankly, I don't hold out much hope for real change. I think the special interests have a stranglehold on Congress. I think that's what Obama realized when he caved to big pharma on the provision to allow government to price shop for medicines which could have saved us $80 billion annually. He realized that battle could not be won, so being the pragmatist he is, he shifted over to a battle where he still had a chance.

I still believe that this health care reform bill will be no different than the energy bill, the clean water bill, the healthy forests bill, etc. etc. etc. It won't do much of anything for the American people, but it will shovel more money into the industry's pockets. This will keep going on until we reach the tipping point and all the people snap awake at the same time and realize what's going on.

[ElwayMD]

great! more people in DC...just what we need.

[Dukes]

The way I understand it is that if we do nothing to reform our system the costs of health care will wipe out our economy. We can't climb out of this recession if we don't get a handle on health care costs.

From what I've heard, Obama has flip-flopped on single payer. Durbin said it's probably out. So have a few others. I'm all for a single payer, public option, but I doubt that's what is going to happen. Frankly, I don't hold out much hope for real change. I think the special interests have a stranglehold on Congress. I think that's what Obama realized when he caved to big pharma on the provision to allow government to price shop for medicines which could have saved us $80 billion annually. He realized that battle could not be won, so being the pragmatist he is, he shifted over to a battle where he still had a chance.

I still believe that this health care reform bill will be no different than the energy bill, the clean water bill, the healthy forests bill, etc. etc. etc. It won't do much of anything for the American people, but it will shovel more money into the industry's pockets. This will keep going on until we reach the tipping point and all the people snap awake at the same time and realize what's going on.


Like many other conservatives have already said, we don't think the current system is perfect, or even functions properly. I'm all for reform, I just disagree on the way it's being attempted.

[TailgateNut]

Like many other conservatives have already said, we don't think the current system is perfect, or even functions properly. I'm all for reform, I just disagree on the way it's being attempted.

LOL

If it were PERFECT, in the conservative mindset, the ins. companies would be raping us even more, and it would function better if no one were able to meddle with the margins.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I dont know what the numbers are because the "mainstream" (liberal) media are trying to ignore this as much as they can, but the turnout was huge...I think it was bigger than most expected.

[snowspot66]

Nice little selection of the crowd today. Apparently Obama and Pelosi are both commies and Nazi's at the same time. Quite an impressive achievement if you ask me.

I particularly love the little quote from Ben Franklin on the right there. I'm not sure what it has to do with Obama. Maybe he was just really late for the anti Bush rallies.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Nice little selection of the crowd today. Apparently Obama and Pelosi are both commies and Nazi's at the same time. Quite an impressive achievement if you ask me.

I particularly love the little quote from Ben Franklin on the right there. I'm not sure what it has to do with Obama. Maybe he was just really late for the anti Bush rallies.

We have become a nation of extremes.

In the Bush days it was "Bush is warring for oil" (even though this is patently false), and "Bush destroyed the WTC", and "Bush hates gays", etc.

[snowspot66]

Now that's a statement we can agree on.

Other than banning 24/7 news channels I don't have a clue about what to do about it either. Just too many idiots all freaking out at once to settle things down.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Now that's a statement we can agree on.

Other than banning 24/7 news channels I don't have a clue about what to do about it either. Just too many idiots all freaking out at once to settle things down.

I think that a big problem is that the major media has been trying to liberalize the country for a long time and it has polarized the nation. It has created a niche for Fox and the republican radio guys, and at the same time, it fuels the liberal fire as well.

[rastaman]

We have become a nation of extremes.

In the Bush days it was "Bush is warring for oil" (even though this is patently false), and "Bush destroyed the WTC", and "Bush hates gays", etc.

So how long do plan to continue "Advocating Conservative Ideology" from your Echo Chamber?

[rastaman]

We have become a nation of extremes.

In the Bush days it was "Bush is warring for oil" (even though this is patently false), and "Bush destroyed the WTC", and "Bush hates gays", etc.

Believe me, Bush is counting his lucky stars from his gated community in Dallas TEXASS that he's free man and hasn't been brought before the Hague and International courts for War Crimes.

[Traveler]

Ku Klux Klowns
Tuesday 15 September 2009

by: William Rivers Pitt, t r u t h o u t | Columnist


How many white, middle-aged, overweight, pissed-off right-wingers does it take to unscrew a light bulb?

Depends on who you ask.

Organizers for this past weekend's anti-Obama protest in Washington, DC, were slinging around crowd-size estimates of two million people before the curtain was thankfully drawn on the thing, despite the fact that the number was actually in the vicinity of 30,000. They were in the nation's capitol, so they said, to protest against too much governmental control over the lives of Americans, to protest taxation in general, to screech about birth certificates, to denounce President Obama and to see and be seen amid a throng of fat, white people who look just like them.

Call it a group hug for the demonstrably deranged. But there was more to it than just standard-issue anti-Obama sentiments being aired in the streets. Layered beneath the whole scene was a hard vein of bitter racism the participants didn't even try to hide.

http://www.truthout.org/091509R?n

[Rohirrim]

I think that a big problem is that the major media has been trying to liberalize the country for a long time and it has polarized the nation. It has created a niche for Fox and the republican radio guys, and at the same time, it fuels the liberal fire as well.

Yeah, the liberal media has "polarized" the country. Hilarious!

Do you pay somebody to write this ****?

[elsid13]

great! more people in DC...just what we need.

I am sure someone will help find their way to NE or up near the 930 club.