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prunch
08-05-2009, 02:07 PM
http://broncotalk.net/2009/08/denver-broncos-training-camp-85-am-practice-report/


I like the skinny on Ayers and the defense in general.


Denver Broncos Training Camp – 8/5 AM Practice Report
Posted Wed Aug 5th by Kyle


Mike Nolan is quite literally a 'hands on' coach. (BroncoTalk/Kyle Montgomery)

Denver Broncos training camp… news and notes from the Wednesday AM practice.

With the public restricted from viewing the Wednesday morning workout, the Broncos kicked off their sixth day of practice to the watchful eyes of Media and VIP’s only. A more run-filled practice, the defense stepped up again, the offense continued to struggle but show flashes, and the coaches were as mystic as ever.

Attendance Report
Brian Dawkins was missing from practice after sustaining an injury yesterday, and Head Coach Josh McDaniels expects him to miss a few days. Veterans Daniel Graham, Brandon Stokley, and Casey Weigmann were absent, although they’ve been given this special treatment once before. Coach is taking it easy on the vets. D.J. Williams was out – no word on why, along with Rulon Davis. Of course, to no one’s surprise, Brandon Marshall and Knowshon Moreno were also elsewhere.

Offense
OFFENSIVE MVP: RYAN CLADY. The Big Man showed why he should have been a 2008 Pro Bowler in today’s practice. The right side of the o-line was noticeably struggling, but the left side held strong. With rookie Seth Olsen lining up at LG and Ben Hamilton sliding over to C in Weigmann’s absence, Clady not only handled his own assignments in pass protection, he helped the rookie out a few times as well. I saw Clady stonewall Dumervil on a rush before picking up a corner blitz. In the run game, Clady also showed his mettle. As a whole, the running game got very little going today, as the defense played very well and was aggressive at the line of scrimmage. The only success they had seemed to be on the left side behind the big, hulking Clady.


Ryan Clady, Tom Brandstater and Chris Kuper (BroncoTalk/Kyle Montgomery)

The backup offensive line bounced back after getting worked yesterday. I liked what I saw from Tyler Polumbus in particular, Clady’s backup at LT. Several times he picked up the blitz and even did well when facing Elvis Dumervil a few times. Elvis has been our best pass-rusher thus far in camp and had even been giving Clady some trouble in practices past.
Kyle Orton had another strong practice. He threw some of his most powerful throws today. During a nice fleaflicker, Orton targeted Eddie Royal deep and actually overthrew #19. It was a good 40-50 yard toss – I was surprised, didn’t think he had it in him.
Chris Simms had a strong practice in backup work. During one play he sidestepped pressure and immediately threw a dart to Chad Jackson at the sideline for a beautiful 10-yard completion. Later, with outstanding pass protection, Simms threw a good 25-yarder on a rope to Royal over the middle. Royal made the leaping catch. On top of the big plays, I saw him go through his reads and progressions better today.
Among what few good runs there were, Ryan Torain’s looked best. That kid cuts to the inside so quick he makes every defender jump out of their sneakers.
Rough day for Darius Walker. On a day when no one was running well, Walker looked particularly put out. He had a big dropped ball to boot.
Defense
DEFENSIVE MVP: ANDRA DAVIS. The inside linebacker played in multiple positions today and looked very good, especially in run defense. The ground game hardly got anything going, and Davis was a big reason why. He lined up alongside Wesley Woodyard, who was filling in for D.J. Williams, and showed why his experience as the starter gives him the edge. With Woodyard looking a bit out of place at times, Davis repeatedly snuffed out the back and got in on the action. The coaches also lined him up at outside linebacker a few times – Davis wasn’t spectacular but looked solid everywhere.


Denver Broncos linebacker Andra Davis tosses a football during the team's 2009 training camp. (BroncoTalk/Kyle Montgomery)

Robert Ayers and Elvis Dumervil are being moved around a lot as the coaches try to determine what works. Ayers played at LOLB with the first team on occasion and played both on the left and right with the second team. At times, Dumervil would put his hand on the ground and play RDE, although he still predominantly sees time on the outside.
Ayers is a force. He needs to go through the mental reps to tighten up his game and know his assignments, but when his mission is clear in front of him, the guy dominates. Ryan Harris again had his hands full today. Their first meeting saw the rookie make a move that would have burned Harris had he not slipped ever-so-slightly; Harris, being a veteran and pro, took advantage of the split-second mistake and put Ayers on the floor. The next play, Ayers went at Harris with full power and nearly knocked him on his back – there was a noticeable gap between the two players after the impact as Harris stumbled back. The assignments still escape Ayers at times though – he missed a tackle after guessing wrong on a running play and looked lost a few times in coverage. He’s getting it though.
Vernon Fox had a blazing fast sack on Simms after he came through the protection unblocked. Simms didn’t have a chance.
Richard Quinn may predominantly be a blocking tight end, but don’t tell Darrell Reid that. The linebacker tossed around Quinn like a rag doll during one-on-one’s.
Mario Haggan completely blew up a pitch to the right for a big loss.

Irish Stout
08-05-2009, 02:12 PM
I love the fact that even though our boys aren't able to make it to the closed camps we still have a variety of reports to read. I just cannot get enough training camp!

dbfan21
08-05-2009, 02:17 PM
I am glad to read that the defense is winning many of the battles. Not that I want the O to struggle, but given the problems our D had last year, it's nice to see they are achieving some success.

Los Broncos
08-05-2009, 02:20 PM
The d seems to be getting a little better, and Clady is just a man.

GoHAM
08-05-2009, 02:27 PM
So is the LOLB the "Joker" ???

CoopDawg
08-05-2009, 02:30 PM
The d seems to be getting a little better

. . . not that it would take much

summerdenver
08-05-2009, 02:42 PM
Pretty decent write up, Thanks for the post.

cmhargrove
08-05-2009, 02:44 PM
Dear God, I hope Ayers turns out to be the schnizzle.

Or is that the Outside schnizzle-backer? Or is it the lizzle-back-schnizzle? I always get my Snoop Dog verbage wrong...

SportinOne
08-05-2009, 02:45 PM
So is the LOLB the "Joker" ???

The L.O.L.Backer, we've had a couple of those recently.

s0phr0syne
08-05-2009, 02:46 PM
Dear God, I hope Ayers turns out to be the schnizzle.

Or is that the Outside schnizzle-backer? Or is it the lizzle-back-schnizzle? I always get my Snoop Dog verbage wrong...


Hey, I just moved to Tulsa a few weeks ago. I'm staying around 15th and Yale...What are some good spots to catch Broncos games?

Gcver2ver3
08-05-2009, 02:46 PM
when is marshall getting back on the field?...

Irish Stout
08-05-2009, 02:47 PM
Dear God, I hope Ayers turns out to be the schnizzle.

Or is that the Outside schnizzle-backer? Or is it the lizzle-back-schnizzle? I always get my Snoop Dog verbage wrong...

Its been only two days of reports and it sounds like hes primarily with the first team. He also sounds like he is adapting quickly.... I'm extremely excited about him.

SportinOne
08-05-2009, 02:49 PM
Dear God, I hope Ayers turns out to be the schnizzle.

Or is that the Outside schnizzle-backer? Or is it the lizzle-back-schnizzle? I always get my Snoop Dog verbage wrong...

It's shizzle. Shnizzle is a sausage. As for left outside linebacker, I would say you could use either left outtizle sidizle linebackizle which would be the standard translation. You could also use leftizle outsizzle linebackizzle fo' shizzle if you wanted to indicate a player of supreme caliber.

cmhargrove
08-05-2009, 02:52 PM
Hey, I just moved to Tulsa a few weeks ago. I'm staying around 15th and Yale...What are some good spots to catch Broncos games?

I have a hard time watching games in public because I tend to get up, point at the screen, and yell a lot. In between that, I am either drinking beer, or giving coaching advice to the TV.

Needless to say, my wife doesn't like me to go out in public to watch games.

I know that "The Brook" restaurant/sports bar (at about 33rd and Peoria - Brookside) has the Sunday Ticket, and I always thought I would go there if my wife kicked me out...

Lots of Chiefs fans and Cowboys fans in Tulsa.

cmhargrove
08-05-2009, 02:53 PM
It's shizzle. Shnizzle is a sausage. As for left outside linebacker, I would say you could use either left outtizle sidizle linebackizle which would be the standard translation. You could also use leftizle outsizzle linebackizzle fo' shizzle if you wanted to indicate a player of supreme caliber.

Wha-but di-bid you-bu say-bay?

Lolad
08-05-2009, 03:00 PM
I have this feeling that Ayers will not start until maybe week 6 at best. Unless he really learns whats going on out there. I hope our coaching staff picked up a smart player that can learn quickly

Popps
08-05-2009, 03:23 PM
when is marshall getting back on the field?...

Yea, have we even heard what his "injury" is all about, yet?

****in' schmuck. I'm so tired of this guy.

Abqbronco
08-05-2009, 03:25 PM
I have a hard time watching games in public because I tend to get up, point at the screen, and yell a lot. In between that, I am either drinking beer, or giving coaching advice to the TV.

Needless to say, my wife doesn't like me to go out in public to watch games.

I know that "The Brook" restaurant/sports bar (at about 33rd and Peoria - Brookside) has the Sunday Ticket, and I always thought I would go there if my wife kicked me out...

Lots of Chiefs fans and Cowboys fans in Tulsa.

I have a very similar problem. I can't go out and watch the game without annoying people around me. I have discovered that not everyone in my area is a Bronco fan although I really don't know why. I also tend to make people angry enough to fight me which is apparently a bad thing to do. Now I sit at home with a pile of nerf type objects to throw at my TV.

Popps
08-05-2009, 03:25 PM
I have this feeling that Ayers will not start until maybe week 6 at best. Unless he really learns whats going on out there. I hope our coaching staff picked up a smart player that can learn quickly

He apparently had a big burst in development his senior year. That's usually a good sign.

I'll take the other side of the bet. I'll bet that he'll be lining up as a starter by the start of the regular season. I'm just not sure who could take his job? Who else could start over him opposite Dumervil?

underrated29
08-05-2009, 03:25 PM
Or you can use lizzle outsizzle linebizzle. Or left-izzle out-sizzle line-bizzle my nizzle.

Chris
08-05-2009, 04:24 PM
The d seems to be getting a little better, and Clady is just a man.

An Iron Man.

cutthemdown
08-05-2009, 04:25 PM
when is marshall getting back on the field?...

It's pretty obvious he's dogging it right? He's a spoiled child and thinks playing like he can't practice will get him somewhere.

Either that or he really is still injured.

Either way it makes Broncos smart for not showing him the money. They should show him the ****ing door next yr. Tag and trade, something like that. That is if he plays well. Hell Brandon may not get the big money anytime soon. If he dogs it all yr for sure no team will pay him big money.

Los Broncos
08-05-2009, 04:34 PM
An Iron Man.

Iron Clady seems about right.

Tombstone RJ
08-05-2009, 04:41 PM
when is marshall getting back on the field?...

When he gets a fat new contract.

Chris
08-05-2009, 05:13 PM
Iron Clady seems about right.

Or we could just call him.......... Chris.

atomicbloke
08-05-2009, 05:23 PM
I have a very similar problem. I can't go out and watch the game without annoying people around me. I have discovered that not everyone in my area is a Bronco fan although I really don't know why. I also tend to make people angry enough to fight me which is apparently a bad thing to do. Now I sit at home with a pile of nerf type objects to throw at my TV.

I would think there are quite a few Broncos fans in Albuquerque. At least there were a few years back....

I think there is one on Central near the UNM area.... also the Billiards place on Wyoming....

WyoLaw
08-05-2009, 05:27 PM
He apparently had a big burst in development his senior year. That's usually a good sign.

I'll take the other side of the bet. I'll bet that he'll be lining up as a starter by the start of the regular season. I'm just not sure who could take his job? Who else could start over him opposite Dumervil?

I'm hoping for an Ayers, Crowder tandem starting duo in the base defense.

Premier-Ace55
08-05-2009, 06:23 PM
I have a very similar problem. I can't go out and watch the game without annoying people around me. I have discovered that not everyone in my area is a Bronco fan although I really don't know why. I also tend to make people angry enough to fight me which is apparently a bad thing to do. Now I sit at home with a pile of nerf type objects to throw at my TV.

B.S huh ABQ people are 400 miles from Denver, 650 miles from Dallas, and 1000 from Oakland and the majority of people here are cowboys and raider fans.

Rudeboy
08-05-2009, 06:31 PM
I'm hoping for an Ayers, Crowder tandem starting duo in the base defense.


Im hoping for that as well, but the way Doom has been playing so far if they gave to job to Ayers it would be a injustice. Come to think of it from what im hearing about Crowder it woud be a injustice if he didn't get LOLB....

I guess it will all come down to who is better agianst the run as far as Doom and Ayers are concerned. I would really like to know who was playing at the ROLB when they were successfull running behind Clady today. I would also like to know how Ayers is doing when matched up agianst Clady.

Lolad
08-05-2009, 07:16 PM
Im hoping for that as well, but the way Doom has been playing so far if they gave to job to Ayers it would be a injustice. Come to think of it from what im hearing about Crowder it woud be a injustice if he didn't get LOLB....

I guess it will all come down to who is better agianst the run as far as Doom and Ayers are concerned. I would really like to know who was playing at the ROLB when they were successfull running behind Clady today. I would also like to know how Ayers is doing when matched up agianst Clady.

Doom got washed out on a lot of plays last year vs. the run. I don't think he's strong enough. He's playing the LB position so I guess as long as he doesn't get engaged by the OL he'll be good.

tsiguy96
08-05-2009, 07:48 PM
doom should be a situational pass rusher, not a full time, as was showed last year. he is NOT strong enough vs the run to start all three downs. like at john abraham from the falcons, when hes starting half as much as normal, he gets twice the sacks. doom should be the same, keep the big guys out there full time. doom will likely replace ayers on passing downs and ayers will move to the line.

Gcver2ver3
08-05-2009, 08:08 PM
doom should be a situational pass rusher, not a full time, as was showed last year. he is NOT strong enough vs the run to start all three downs. like at john abraham from the falcons, when hes starting half as much as normal, he gets twice the sacks. doom should be the same, keep the big guys out there full time. doom will likely replace ayers on passing downs and ayers will move to the line.

i agree...

the only part i disagree with is Doom replacing Ayers...

i would like to see Crowder and Ayers be the 1st and 2nd down OLBs...and then see Doom replace Crowder and Doom and Ayers rush the passer as down linemen on passing downs...

ZONA
08-05-2009, 11:27 PM
Defenses are always ahead of offenses this time of year. If the defense was looking bad right now, then that is a very bad sign.

Los Broncos
08-05-2009, 11:30 PM
Or we could just call him.......... Chris.

That works too.

Broncos_OTM
08-06-2009, 07:03 AM
how many rudeboys does it take to screw in a lightbulb........100 ..1 to screw it in and the other 99 to pickitup pickitup pickitup

Broncoman13
08-06-2009, 07:12 AM
Im hoping for that as well, but the way Doom has been playing so far if they gave to job to Ayers it would be a injustice. Come to think of it from what im hearing about Crowder it woud be a injustice if he didn't get LOLB....

I guess it will all come down to who is better agianst the run as far as Doom and Ayers are concerned. I would really like to know who was playing at the ROLB when they were successfull running behind Clady today. I would also like to know how Ayers is doing when matched up agianst Clady.

How many times do you have to hear that Doom is a liability vs the run? He gets manhandled. He doesn't do well when they run away from him and he is horrible when they run toward him. He is playing the ROLB so he is the one that is matched up against Clady. I'll put it in real simple terms, Jarvis Moss has been playing the run better than Doom. Right now, I think it should be Crowder on the Left side and Ayers on the Right side... provided they can coach him up to understand his coverage assignments, b/c right now he's lost.

On obvious passing downs, go to the Nickel in the 4-2-5 and put Doom on the line then with his hand in the dirt. Also have Peterson and Thomas inside with Ayers on the other side. Peterson and Thomas are both good at penetrating and Thomas has the bulk to push the pocket as well.

cmhargrove
08-06-2009, 08:03 AM
Defenses are always ahead of offenses this time of year. If the defense was looking bad right now, then that is a very bad sign.

Not necessarily true.

New coaches, new personnel, new scheme.
Even an "experienced" team would take some time to gel. People just need to have proper expectations. Can our defense mov to the middle of the pack and be trending upward - sure. Should we expect a top 5 defense - nope.

Get more turnovers, don't give up big plays, don't make it too hard on your own offense. That will accomplish a lot for us this season.

And the other thing -- I think our Safety play will be a huge plus this year. We might actually stop a third and long play.

HILife
08-06-2009, 08:35 AM
The L.O.L.Backer, we've had a couple of those recently.

Testing: lolB
It didn't work.

kmonty
08-06-2009, 08:43 AM
How many times do you have to hear that Doom is a liability vs the run? He gets manhandled. He doesn't do well when they run away from him and he is horrible when they run toward him. He is playing the ROLB so he is the one that is matched up against Clady. I'll put it in real simple terms, Jarvis Moss has been playing the run better than Doom. Right now, I think it should be Crowder on the Left side and Ayers on the Right side... provided they can coach him up to understand his coverage assignments, b/c right now he's lost.

On obvious passing downs, go to the Nickel in the 4-2-5 and put Doom on the line then with his hand in the dirt. Also have Peterson and Thomas inside with Ayers on the other side. Peterson and Thomas are both good at penetrating and Thomas has the bulk to push the pocket as well.

I disagree, and think Dumervil has been our best outside backer, bar none. Tim Crowder? Jarvis Moss? They look great in drills and physically look imposing, but what have you seen from them? You said they look better in run support - I don't recall seeing when. Doom has been giving Clady all he can handle, and I have seen him doing just fine in run support, all things considered. And no one has looked better coming off blocks than Doom. That tiny guy has power.

Right now I'd say Ayers Sam, Doom Will. But this is just practice - more than anything, I think preseason and seeing some real game action will sort out this outside linebacker situation.