John Stewart betchslaps the right....

[Rigs11]

...again.Ha!Notice how the new rightard thing is to compare the clunkers program to healthcare.Even on this board.Stewart goes through how the seed gets planted on Fox news and the rightards follow along. Freaking priceless.

http://www.indecisionforever.com/2009/08/04/jon-stewart-breaks-down-foxs-outrage-generating-ecosystem/

[TailgateNut]

This is a great example of the rightard mentality.



Nice try — JON ****WART AND CREW — but I don't watch FUXNEWS.

Meanwhile, America is going to ****, and it's not hard to recognize that it's because anti-American freaks [LIKE YOU AND YOUR FOLLOWERS] are spreading propaganda to seed a growth of blatant ignorance.

Why don't you and Colbet cover something worthwhile, like the _FACT_ Obama and his crew aims to institute the following:

- Forcibly and unknowingly sterilizing the entire population by adding infertility drugs to the nation’s water and food supply.

- Legalizing “compulsory abortions,” ie forced abortions carried out against the will of the pregnant women, as is common place in Communist China where women who have already had one child and refuse to abort the second are kidnapped off the street by the authorities before a procedure is carried out to forcibly abort the baby.

- Babies who are born out of wedlock or to teenage mothers to be forcibly taken away from their mother by the government and put up for adoption. Another proposed measure would force single mothers to demonstrate to the government that they can care for the child, effectively introducing licensing to have children.

- Implementing a system of “involuntary birth control,” where both men and women would be mandated to have an infertility device implanted into their body at puberty and only have it removed temporarily if they received permission from the government to have a baby.

- Permanently sterilizing people who the authorities deem have already had too many children or who have contributed to “general social deterioration”.

- Formally passing a law that criminalizes having more than two children, similar to the one child policy in Communist China.

- This would all be overseen by a transnational and centralized “planetary regime” that would utilize a “global police force” to enforce the measures outlined above. The “planetary regime” would also have the power to determine population levels for every country in the world.

SOURCE:
http://www.infowars.com/obama-science-advisor-called-for-planetary-regime-to-enforce-totalitarian-population-control-measures/

GET ON IT JON! CRACK OPEN YOUR CANS OF LAUGHTER, TELL YOUR STUPID JOKES, BUT COVER SOME REAL NEWS AND QUIT BEING AN IGNORAMUS.

by zzz August 5th at 6:50AM

[ak1971]

Great, another thread calling people rightards....que spider calling us bedwetters too...

[TailgateNut]

Great, another thread calling people rightards....que spider calling us bedwetters too...

Rightards IS better than Gullible Mother****ers, isn't it?

[El Guapo]

At least it's not as bad as supporting communism.

[ak1971]

Rightards IS better than Gullible Mother****ers, isn't it?

Whatever gets you off...continue your lefty circle jerk..nothing to see here..move along.....

[cutthemdown]

Cash for Clunkers will do nothing for the environment, will only help economy short term, what not to like?

[Spider]

Great, another thread calling people rightards....que spider calling us bedwetters too...
Ok ............ Bedwetters

[Spider]

But comeon ak-71 , after Bush and the way you bed wetters defended his every move .... I am sure there are alot worse names you could be called .........

[Rigs11]

Cash for Clunkers will do nothing for the environment, will only help economy short term, what not to like?

what an asnine comment.How will getting gas guzzlers off the road not help the environment?What should we do instead? Drill more?

[Dukes]

What should we do instead? Drill more?

That would be a good start.

[Garcia Bronco]

Wow....so John Stewart is their one viewer.

[Odysseus]

At least it's not as bad as supporting communism.

Left circle jerk meet right circle jerk.

[Garcia Bronco]

what an asnine comment.How will getting gas guzzlers off the road not help the environment?What should we do instead? Drill more?

Define a gas guzzler

[Spider]

define a gas guzzler

10 mpg -18 mpg

[TailgateNut]

That would be a good start.


You forgot "Cut Taxes".
What a bunch of sheep!

[Dukes]

10 mpg -18 mpg

So my big block '68 Mustang that gets 5 doesn't count? Sweet!

[Dukes]

You forgot "Cut Taxes".
What a bunch of sheep!

You forgot "The rich are evil" "Corporations are Evil" "Be Green" "Global Warming will kill us"

You're sooooo much different TGN, you rock!

[Spider]

So my big block '68 Mustang that gets 5 doesn't count? Sweet!

Neither does my 66 SS Mailbu ......

[Dukes]

neither does my 66 ss mailbu ......

^5

[Spider]

^5

;D Old Muscle cars are exempt ...... I had a chance to buy a GTO Judge , But the guys son changed his mind .....

[TailgateNut]

OK here an example:

I drive on avg. about 40000 miles per year just business miles (not counting my MC, RV, personal car and rentals).

My truck gets about 14MPG. That equates to 2857 gallons per yr.

If I were to purchase a vehicle which gets 20MPG, I would use 2000 gallons per year.

A savings of 857 gallon on that vehicle. Multiply that by the 6 company trucks and you have a savings of over 5100 gallons. This doesn't even address the reduction of emmissions nor the $$$$ saved. (at current gas prices that would be about $12500 annually).

Yep, as you sheep state " It wont help a bit".

[gyldenlove]

This is a great example of the rightard mentality.



Nice try — JON ****WART AND CREW — but I don't watch FUXNEWS.

Meanwhile, America is going to ****, and it's not hard to recognize that it's because anti-American freaks [LIKE YOU AND YOUR FOLLOWERS] are spreading propaganda to seed a growth of blatant ignorance.

Why don't you and Colbet cover something worthwhile, like the _FACT_ Obama and his crew aims to institute the following:

- Forcibly and unknowingly sterilizing the entire population by adding infertility drugs to the nation’s water and food supply.

- Legalizing “compulsory abortions,” ie forced abortions carried out against the will of the pregnant women, as is common place in Communist China where women who have already had one child and refuse to abort the second are kidnapped off the street by the authorities before a procedure is carried out to forcibly abort the baby.

- Babies who are born out of wedlock or to teenage mothers to be forcibly taken away from their mother by the government and put up for adoption. Another proposed measure would force single mothers to demonstrate to the government that they can care for the child, effectively introducing licensing to have children.

- Implementing a system of “involuntary birth control,” where both men and women would be mandated to have an infertility device implanted into their body at puberty and only have it removed temporarily if they received permission from the government to have a baby.

- Permanently sterilizing people who the authorities deem have already had too many children or who have contributed to “general social deterioration”.

- Formally passing a law that criminalizes having more than two children, similar to the one child policy in Communist China.

- This would all be overseen by a transnational and centralized “planetary regime” that would utilize a “global police force” to enforce the measures outlined above. The “planetary regime” would also have the power to determine population levels for every country in the world.

SOURCE:
http://www.infowars.com/obama-science-advisor-called-for-planetary-regime-to-enforce-totalitarian-population-control-measures/

GET ON IT JON! CRACK OPEN YOUR CANS OF LAUGHTER, TELL YOUR STUPID JOKES, BUT COVER SOME REAL NEWS AND QUIT BEING AN IGNORAMUS.

by zzz August 5th at 6:50AM

Holy dog****.

A guy writes a book in 1977 and that is somehow considered to be Obama's policy? Do you listen to what you say or do you find that you just tune out when things get too inane?

This is more than 30 f'ing years ago. If things from back then are fair game, then how can a known deserter be commander in chief, yes I am talking about GWB.

You do realize that when overpopulation is mentioned it is not actually in the states, these policies would be enforced in Africa and southeast Asia.

Don't let me ruin your party of one.

[Spider]

OK here an example:

I drive on avg. about 40000 miles per year just business miles (not counting my MC, RV, personal car and rentals).

My truck gets about 14MPG. That equates to 2857 gallons per yr.

If I were to purchase a vehicle which gets 20MPG, I would use 2000 gallons per year.

A savings of 857 gallon on that vehicle. Multiply that by the 6 company trucks and you have a savings of over 5100 gallons. This doesn't even address the reduction of emmissions nor the $$$$ saved. (at current gas prices that would be about $12500 annually).

Yep, as you sheep state " It wont help a bit".

are you sure you have looked deep enough into this ? ;D

[TailgateNut]

You forgot "The rich are evil" "Corporations are Evil" "Be Green" "Global Warming will kill us"

You're sooooo much different TGN, you rock!


Well, I'm not on board the "Drill ourselves out of the oil dilemna" boat. That one is filled to the rails with nincompoops. So, yes, I'm different than those who will continue on the same path while aware that there are alternatives.

[TailgateNut]

are you sure you have looked deep enough into this ? ;D

Not really.

That's just six vehicles. Consider the effect on the economy and the oil/ gas consumption when multiplied by 444444 (2 billion allocated)

Were talking about 380 million gals of gas and $933million .

[TailgateNut]

Holy dog****.

A guy writes a book in 1977 and that is somehow considered to be Obama's policy? Do you listen to what you say or do you find that you just tune out when things get too inane?

This is more than 30 f'ing years ago. If things from back then are fair game, then how can a known deserter be commander in chief, yes I am talking about GWB.

You do realize that when overpopulation is mentioned it is not actually in the states, these policies would be enforced in Africa and southeast Asia.

Don't let me ruin your party of one.

Hey genius. I din't write nor agree with the comment. I just posted it to show how ignorant the right can be.

[Garcia Bronco]

10 mpg -18 mpg

The limit on the clunker program is 18 mpg. Mine supposedly gets 17-21 (on the sticker two years ago (3 years as of 12/01) and I doubt it gets anywhere close to over 17. More like 16, but I have a use for it. I haul with it, 4-wheel with, camp with it, and so on.

Question to the group: should I be forced to get a different vehicle because of the mpg it gets?

[TailgateNut]

The limit on the clunker program is 18 mpg. Mine supposedly gets 17-21 (on the sticker two years ago (3 years as of 12/01) and I doubt it gets anywhere close to over 17. More like 16, but I have a use for it. I haul with it, 4-wheel with, camp with it, and so on.

Question to the group: should I be forced to get a different vechicle because of the mpg it gets?

No no one should be forced.

[Spider]

The limit on the clunker program is 18 mpg. Mine supposedly gets 17-21 (on the sticker two years ago (3 years as of 12/01) and I doubt it gets anywhere close to over 17. More like 16, but I have a use for it. I haul with it, 4-wheel with, camp with it, and so on.

Question to the group: should I be forced to get a different vehicle because of the mpg it gets?

can you spare me the ****ing drama ? seriously , who in the hell says you have to trade your car off ? WTF , this program is completely ****ing voluntary , if you want to keep your piece of **** car , keep the mother ****er , if not , then take advantage of the program going on right now and get a great deal .......

[Garcia Bronco]

can you spare me the ****ing drama ? seriously , who in the hell says you have to trade your car off ? WTF , this program is completely ****ing voluntary , if you want to keep your piece of **** car , keep the mother ****er , if not , then take advantage of the program going on right now and get a great deal .......

It was a seperate question. I did not argue that the Cash for Clunker program was manditory.

[cutthemdown]

OK here an example:

I drive on avg. about 40000 miles per year just business miles (not counting my MC, RV, personal car and rentals).

My truck gets about 14MPG. That equates to 2857 gallons per yr.

If I were to purchase a vehicle which gets 20MPG, I would use 2000 gallons per year.

A savings of 857 gallon on that vehicle. Multiply that by the 6 company trucks and you have a savings of over 5100 gallons. This doesn't even address the reduction of emmissions nor the $$$$ saved. (at current gas prices that would be about $12500 annually).

Yep, as you sheep state " It wont help a bit".

It helps some but considering how many vehicles on the roads it won't really be huge. Especially since the metal gets melted down and sent to China to be made into more stuff.

It of course helps a little but at the cost of the program its not super effective.

It's really just for the Auto Dealerships and car companies to try and shrink inventories. Then at some point they will raise the prices way up.

My main beef is that it spends more money we don't have.

[cutthemdown]

Hey Tailgate you drive so much more then me I think you should have to pay a co2 tax. That would be fair right? Why should my registration be the same when I only drive 12 thousand miles a yr? You use roads more should have to pay for that to reduce your carbon footprint. You do care about that don't you foots? or are you like Gore, all talk.

[cutthemdown]

We should charge people by the mile when it comes to gas tax and registration. The more you drive the more you pay.

[cutthemdown]

I mean if you believe in global warming and want to be a good treehugger.

[Dukes]

We should charge people by the mile when it comes to gas tax and registration. The more you drive the more you pay.

We should all get a government issued ID, information of the vehicle we drive (make, model, year, and mpg) will be on that card. When you purchase fuel for your vehicle, the price is determined by where you live, how many miles you drive a year and of course the car you drive. That way everyone has to pay according to what they use on the road. If you drive over a certain amount you have to pay a carbon tax as well, although that can already added into the fuel tax depending on how they want to do it. Sounds like a great idea to me

[cutthemdown]

We should all get a government issued ID, information of the vehicle we drive (make, model, year, and mpg) will be on that card. When you purchase fuel for your vehicle, the price is determined by where you live, how many miles you drive a year and of course the car you drive. That way everyone has to pay according to what they use on the road. If you drive over a certain amount you have to pay a carbon tax as well, although that can already added into the fuel tax depending on how they want to do it. Sounds like a great idea to me

Me 2 because I very seldom drive more then 10-12000 a yr tops.

Also I don't fly much how about a tax on airplane tickets. I only fly like 1-2 times a yr tops. I mean why not just support a tax for everything you don't do a lot of right?

[cutthemdown]

when gas usage goes down govt revenue will also go down. That runs afoul of everything big brother wants to do. So as electric vehicles and high mileage cars eat into that revenue you can bet some sort of new way to tax driving will be needed. I love it because it will probably end up cheaper for me. For people who drive alot it won't be so cool.

[Dukes]

when gas usage goes down govt revenue will also go down. That runs afoul of everything big brother wants to do. So as electric vehicles and high mileage cars eat into that revenue you can bet some sort of new way to tax driving will be needed. I love it because it will probably end up cheaper for me. For people who drive alot it won't be so cool.

They've got the electric vehicle tax covered already. Cap and Tax.

[Dukes]

I'm sure Spider will support my idea on vehicle taxes.

[cutthemdown]

They've got the electric vehicle tax covered already. Cap and Tax.

Yeah but what about all the state revenues that come from gas taxes? No doubt in my mind as gas cosumption falls some new way of taxing autos will come forth.

[Dukes]

Yeah but what about all the state revenues that come from gas taxes? No doubt in my mind as gas cosumption falls some new way of taxing autos will come forth.

Bottom line is they'll get the money one way or another.

[Spider]

I'm sure Spider will support my idea on vehicle taxes.

cant rule the world when your broke .............

[Dukes]

cant rule the world when your broke .............

We've been broke for a while.... hasn't stoped Washington yet

[Paladin]

The limit on the clunker program is 18 mpg. Mine supposedly gets 17-21 (on the sticker two years ago (3 years as of 12/01) and I doubt it gets anywhere close to over 17. More like 16, but I have a use for it. I haul with it, 4-wheel with, camp with it, and so on.

Question to the group: should I be forced to get a different vehicle because of the mpg it gets?

You're not being forced to do anything. The carrot is out there. You don't want it, fine.

Go ahead and be a gas hog and a polluting ahole.....

[Spider]

We've been broke for a while.... hasn't stoped Washington yet

Yeah but now we have elected Obama , who wants to rule the world ....... See Bush was happy with only ruling a little bit of it , but now wego for the brass ring .. just ask republicans ;D

[Dukes]

Yeah but now we have elected Obama , who wants to rule the world ....... See Bush was happy with only ruling a little bit of it , but now wego for the brass ring .. just ask republicans ;D

That's not true, Bush illegally invaded two countries to expant his dictatorship. Or Cheney depending on who you talk to ;D

[Spider]

That's not true, Bush illegally invaded two countries to expant his dictatorship. Or Cheney depending on who you talk to ;D
Ha! ....ahh the good ole days

[AbileneBroncoFan]

This is a great example of the rightard mentality.



Nice try — JON ****WART AND CREW — but I don't watch FUXNEWS.

Meanwhile, America is going to ****, and it's not hard to recognize that it's because anti-American freaks [LIKE YOU AND YOUR FOLLOWERS] are spreading propaganda to seed a growth of blatant ignorance.

Why don't you and Colbet cover something worthwhile, like the _FACT_ Obama and his crew aims to institute the following:

- Forcibly and unknowingly sterilizing the entire population by adding infertility drugs to the nation’s water and food supply.

- Legalizing “compulsory abortions,” ie forced abortions carried out against the will of the pregnant women, as is common place in Communist China where women who have already had one child and refuse to abort the second are kidnapped off the street by the authorities before a procedure is carried out to forcibly abort the baby.

- Babies who are born out of wedlock or to teenage mothers to be forcibly taken away from their mother by the government and put up for adoption. Another proposed measure would force single mothers to demonstrate to the government that they can care for the child, effectively introducing licensing to have children.

- Implementing a system of “involuntary birth control,” where both men and women would be mandated to have an infertility device implanted into their body at puberty and only have it removed temporarily if they received permission from the government to have a baby.

- Permanently sterilizing people who the authorities deem have already had too many children or who have contributed to “general social deterioration”.

- Formally passing a law that criminalizes having more than two children, similar to the one child policy in Communist China.

- This would all be overseen by a transnational and centralized “planetary regime” that would utilize a “global police force” to enforce the measures outlined above. The “planetary regime” would also have the power to determine population levels for every country in the world.

SOURCE:
http://www.infowars.com/obama-science-advisor-called-for-planetary-regime-to-enforce-totalitarian-population-control-measures/

GET ON IT JON! CRACK OPEN YOUR CANS OF LAUGHTER, TELL YOUR STUPID JOKES, BUT COVER SOME REAL NEWS AND QUIT BEING AN IGNORAMUS.

by zzz August 5th at 6:50AM

I weep for the fool that believes this garbage.

[TailgateNut]

Hey Tailgate you drive so much more then me I think you should have to pay a co2 tax. That would be fair right? Why should my registration be the same when I only drive 12 thousand miles a yr? You use roads more should have to pay for that to reduce your carbon footprint. You do care about that don't you foots? or are you like Gore, all talk.


It's called Gasoline Tax. Have you heard of that in California?

[TailgateNut]

We should charge people by the mile when it comes to gas tax and registration. The more you drive the more you pay.

Good grief you're one "Brainchild". The more you drive, the more gas you consume, the more gas tax you pay.

Do I need to draw that out for you with sidewalk chalk?

[Odysseus]

I weep for the fool that believes this garbage.

I think culturally people can be blinded by where they came from. They don't realize that their deeply held fear limits them for having any understanding of things outside their comfort zone.

[BroncoLifer]

I weep for the fool that believes this garbage.

Me, too -- although I wonder whether that passage is legit or if it was written as a parody.

Anyway, I also wept for the fools who believed that Diebold stole an election, Bush was going to declare martial law, etc. It cuts both ways.....

[Garcia Bronco]

You're not being forced to do anything. The carrot is out there. You don't want it, fine.

Go ahead and be a gas hog and a polluting ahole.....

Nobody said the clunker program was manditory. It was a simple question. Answer it if you can.


Go ahead and be a gas hog and a polluting ahole.....

LOL. Seriously?

[rastaman]

At least it's not as bad as supporting communism.

Communism and conservatisim are both unsustainable ideologies. So whats your point????

[rastaman]

Cash for Clunkers will do nothing for the environment, will only help economy short term, what not to like?

Cash for clunkers has proven to stimulate the economy.....the corporate wall street banks aren't loaning money for consumers to purchase automobiles....so why shouldn't the Government step in when the corporate capitalist refuse to play ball.

[Garcia Bronco]

Communism and conservatisim are both unsustainable ideologies. So whats your point????

Define conservatism.

[cutthemdown]

It's called Gasoline Tax. Have you heard of that in California?

Sorry but as we go to other fuels and get better mileage gas tax will no longer work. How do we tax electric cars?

[cutthemdown]

Cash for clunkers has proven to stimulate the economy.....the corporate wall street banks aren't loaning money for consumers to purchase automobiles....so why shouldn't the Government step in when the corporate capitalist refuse to play ball.

anytime you spend billions in one sector for sure you will stimulate it. The problem is cars are over priced IMO and the numbers on what people make, and what things cost, are out of whack. In turn that leads us to the banks to get loans so we can afford things.

At some point autos need to be more affordable because the govt can't pay for this program more then maybe another month or so.

Tell me Rasta how long do you think this program should run? Just until Obama says so then you agree? Or do you have any ideas and opinions of your own?

Maybe the Auto makers should just knock 4500 off every car and have the big whigs at the top make less money? Because I know I can't afford to pay for it.

[cutthemdown]

I'd much rather have all the billions wasted in cash for clunkers go for kids education. In the long term a way better investment.

[Garcia Bronco]

anytime you spend billions in one sector for sure you will stimulate it. The problem is cars are over priced IMO and the numbers on what people make, and what things cost, are out of whack. In turn that leads us to the banks to get loans so we can afford things.

At some point autos need to be more affordable because the govt can't pay for this program more then maybe another month or so.

Tell me Rasta how long do you think this program should run? Just until Obama says so then you agree? Or do you have any ideas and opinions of your own?

Maybe the Auto makers should just knock 4500 off every car and have the big whigs at the top make less money? Because I know I can't afford to pay for it.

The clunker program does in part keep the car prices up.

[barryr]

Wow, the lefties get talking points from a comedian. Desperation or just plain sad.

[Rigs11]

Wow, the lefties get talking points from a comedian. Desperation or just plain sad.

Still better than rehab rush, and way more accurate. sad indeed.

[Spider]

Define conservatism.

I bet it is no accident I never been asked this question :wiggle:
But seriously 1 name defines conservatism = Richard Vigtree ....... the rest including yourself are just impostors ....... knock offs , cheap imitations , would be , wanna be's , Not the real thing , fakes , frauds , not real , Bogus ............. i am running out of words here ;D

[Bronco Bob]

At least it's not as bad as supporting communism.

Yes, it is. In fact it is worse.

[Bronco Bob]

Sorry but as we go to other fuels and get better mileage gas tax will no longer work. How do we tax electric cars?

You already pay a tax on your electric bill. As you use more electricity to
charge your car, you will pay more for your electric bill, and that tax will
also go up.