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Bronco Rob
08-04-2009, 05:55 PM
2-14 gee..I wonder why?!?


Glenn Dorsey was a favorite of the draft graders.

When the Chiefs choose him fifth overall in 2008, the reviews were unanimous; the Chiefs got a great bargain in the LSU defensive tackle.

Little more than a year later, Dorsey seems far from a sure thing.

As Evan Silva pointed out in today's one-liners, Dorsey has essentially been deemed too fat to practice. (As opposed to too fat to fish.)

Five days after failing a conditioning test, Dorsey continues to try to get slim while his teammates practice football.

Kent Babb of the Kansas City Star wondered if the Chiefs are trying to prove a point:

"He's spending time on sprints and the stationary bike, but I can't help but think that some of the exercises he's doing aren't more for continued humiliation of the one player who can't seem to get in shape," Babb wrote.

It's not like Dorsey showed his talent as a rookie, but let things slide this offseason.

He did very little last season. Jason Whitlock broke out the B word by midseason, although there were legitimate questions later regarding how Dorsey was utilized.

Those excuses won't hold up if Dorsey fails to impress another coaching staff. Dorsey barely practiced this offseason because of a shin injury before showing up heavy to camp.

Dorsey is one of the young players the Chiefs should build around, but he risks getting left behind.

Complicating matters is that Dorsey must learn a new scheme. Expected to be a penetrating tackle in a 4-3 defense, he will now be asked to occupy blockers in a 3-4.

At this rate, Dorsey could wind up being a very round and expensive peg that doesn't fit into any of Kansas City's holes.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/



Tuesday, Aug. 4, 2009 - 1:18 a.m. ET

RIVER FALLS, Wis.—As the Kansas City Chiefs bid adieu to their training camp home for the last 19 years—they'll be in St. Joseph, Mo., next year—they face these questions:

1.) All the right moves? After inheriting a team that won only six games the last two seasons, new G.M. Scott Pioli didn't waste time changing the landscape. He fired Herm Edwards and replaced him with first-year coach Todd Haley. He acquired former Patriots quarterback Matt Cassel, who has started only 15 NFL games—then signed him to a lucrative contract. And he traded Tony Gonzalez, the most productive tight end in NFL history. If those bold moves pan out, Pioli will look like a genius. If not ...


2.) Where's the rush? The defense had only 10 sacks last season, the fewest in the NFL since the league went to a 16-game schedule in 1978. The jury is out on whether drafting end Tyson Jackson in the first round, trading for veteran linebacker Mike Vrabel and moving former ends Tamba Hali and Turk McBride to outside linebacker was enough to improve the pass rush.

3.) Can the Elvis Bono Express continue to roll? Bono looked like the second coming of Tom Brady last year in New England, where considerably more talent surrounded him than what he'll have in Kansas City. Cassel might take a step back before he takes one forward.

4.) How's the protection? The offensive line features a Pro Bowl guard in Brian Waters, but the rest of the starters are average and there isn't a lot of depth. Making this group more suspect is the fact three linemen—Waters, Mike Goff and Damion McIntosh—failed the conditioning test at the start of camp and that Waters asked to be traded or released during the offseason.

5.) How will they hold up early in the season? The Chiefs' first seven games include road games in Baltimore, Philadelphia and Washington and home games against the Giants, Cowboys and Chargers. If they start the season 1-6 or worse, things could blow up in a hurry.


http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2009-08-04/camp-report-chiefs-five-burning-questions







:rofl:

TheReverend
08-04-2009, 06:01 PM
Damn, I nailed this one :)

Los Broncos
08-04-2009, 06:15 PM
Awesome, just awesome.

broncosteven
08-04-2009, 06:34 PM
Maybe this will take some of the sting from our own 1st round bust.

Yep that it will!

gyldenlove
08-04-2009, 06:37 PM
Hehe, they drafted bobo...

Florida_Bronco
08-04-2009, 06:37 PM
I remember the "sky is falling" attitude when the Chiefs were able to nab him.

Northman
08-04-2009, 06:41 PM
Bwhahahahahhahahhahahaha. Priceless.

Archer81
08-04-2009, 06:52 PM
Huh...and our front 7 is garbage...Pretty sure Dumervil and Ekuban had 10.5 sacks between the two of them...


:Broncos:

Los Broncos
08-04-2009, 06:56 PM
Hehe, they drafted bobo...

He'll be in here soon to tell us all about it.

Dukes
08-04-2009, 06:59 PM
Even worse than our front 7, when you take into account Tamba Hali hasn't done **** either.

TonyR
08-04-2009, 07:00 PM
Damn, I nailed this one :)

Between him and Gholston front 7 players taken in the top 10 were a bit of a crap shoot last year. Who's this year's bust: Jackson, Curry, or Raji?

TheReverend
08-04-2009, 07:00 PM
Throw me on record right now saying Glen Dorsey flat out sucks.

Done! You might be right and if he busts outright than I will shower you with props and call Dorsey a spoony bard.

:spit:

I don't think he'll ever amount to another other than an average starter. If he goes to a SINGLE pro bowl, I will be shocked.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=74549&highlight=dorsey

Ahem...

TheReverend
08-04-2009, 07:02 PM
Between him and Gholston front 7 players taken in the top 10 were a bit of a crap shoot last year. Who's this year's bust: Jackson, Curry, or Raji?

Oh, I've been very out-spoken that Raji sucks. Of course, I haven't seen him play in the NFL yet, but I have SERIOUS doubts that he can handle a 3-4 Nose.

Curry was vastly over-rated, but is a genuinely good player.

Jackson will probably be really successful... but really successful as a 3-4 end doesn't make much noise anyways unless you're balls deep in the east coast like Dick Seymour.

Popps
08-04-2009, 07:02 PM
Again, this is why the panty-bunching around here over trading for Smith is just silly. The draft is a crap shoot, and you pay a TON of money to take guys up that high. Some work out, some don't.

Br0nc0Buster
08-04-2009, 07:06 PM
Between him and Gholston front 7 players taken in the top 10 were a bit of a crap shoot last year. Who's this year's bust: Jackson, Curry, or Raji?

eh I am not sure if any of them will bust, but I highly doubt Jackson and Curry live up to their draft stock.

I will say though that I think Crabtree and Orakpo will be busts

footstepsfrom#27
08-04-2009, 07:07 PM
Again, this is why the panty-bunching around here over trading for Smith is just silly. The draft is a crap shoot, and you pay a TON of money to take guys up that high. Some work out, some don't.
On that logic we should simply dump our top pick every year. Would you be in favor of that?

worm
08-04-2009, 07:15 PM
He failed the same test Champ did.

Personally, I think Dorsey can still excel. However, maybe not in a 3-4 and hopefully not with that team.

gyldenlove
08-04-2009, 07:17 PM
Oh, I've been very out-spoken that Raji sucks. Of course, I haven't seen him play in the NFL yet, but I have SERIOUS doubts that he can handle a 3-4 Nose.

Curry was vastly over-rated, but is a genuinely good player.

Jackson will probably be really successful... but really successful as a 3-4 end doesn't make much noise anyways unless you're balls deep in the east coast like Dick Seymour.

Curry reminds me of Patrick Willis to some extend, he is as fast and technically very well rounded. I could see him put up some pretty decent numbers, but it is hard to be truly special at 4-3 OLB.

TheReverend
08-04-2009, 07:34 PM
Curry reminds me of Patrick Willis to some extend, he is as fast and technically very well rounded. I could see him put up some pretty decent numbers, but it is hard to be truly special at 4-3 OLB.

Great measurables and he plays well, but honestly, it really bothers me that he wasn't set as the centerpiece of a Wake Forest defensive unit...

Kaylore
08-04-2009, 07:44 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=74549&highlight=dorsey

Ahem...

You are a golden god and Dorsey is a spoony bard. :thanku:

It's still a bit early, but if this trend continues then I will do it again. It took Haynesworth four years.

CoopDawg
08-04-2009, 07:44 PM
The Jamarcus Russell workout plan!

Dr. Broncenstein
08-04-2009, 07:50 PM
Curry reminds me of Patrick Willis to some extend, he is as fast and technically very well rounded. I could see him put up some pretty decent numbers, but it is hard to be truly special at 4-3 OLB.

Patrick Willis was the man defensively in the SEC from his sophmore year on. Curry has nice measurables, but isn't even remotely near the same class of player as Patrick Willis.

DBroncos4life
08-04-2009, 08:00 PM
they should trade him to a 4-3 team.

DBroncos4life
08-04-2009, 08:02 PM
Oh, I've been very out-spoken that Raji sucks. Of course, I haven't seen him play in the NFL yet, but I have SERIOUS doubts that he can handle a 3-4 Nose.

Curry was vastly over-rated, but is a genuinely good player.

Jackson will probably be really successful... but really successful as a 3-4 end doesn't make much noise anyways unless you're balls deep in the east coast like Dick Seymour.
I was listening to BB on sirus and he said Raji was playing DE in practice.

TheReverend
08-04-2009, 08:14 PM
I was listening to BB on sirus and he said Raji was playing DE in practice.

Hahahahahaha.

I win again!

Thanks for the update.

Br0nc0Buster
08-04-2009, 08:17 PM
Hahahahahaha.

I win again!

Thanks for the update.

I am pretty sure aftert he was drafted it was announced he would be at end instead of nose

RhymesayersDU
08-04-2009, 08:21 PM
Again, this is why the panty-bunching around here over trading for Smith is just silly. The draft is a crap shoot, and you pay a TON of money to take guys up that high. Some work out, some don't.

Oversimplify much?

Should we simply trade every draft pick we get? It's not a crap shoot. Sure, some luck is involved, but there's way more to it than that, I think we'd all agree.

Circle Orange
08-04-2009, 10:38 PM
I supposee Bobo could wear a bag until he trims up.

Besides, fat slobs need love too. :rofl:

Bronco Rob
08-05-2009, 07:34 AM
:thumbs:

Beantown Bronco
08-05-2009, 07:40 AM
Speaking of Raji, I just found this nice little gem at kffl.com from the end of June:

Packers | Raji says he will not hold out
Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:27:52 -0700

Lori Nickel, of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, reports Green Bay Packers DL B.J. Raji said he will not hold out during training camp because he can't afford missing practice time since he is a rookie.

~Crash~
08-05-2009, 11:28 AM
Again, this is why the panty-bunching around here over trading for Smith is just silly. The draft is a crap shoot, and you pay a TON of money to take guys up that high. Some work out, some don't.

what ever popps they wanted to save that pick to get a good prospect at QB if that pisses you off so be it .

DBroncos4life
08-05-2009, 12:42 PM
Hahahahahaha.

I win again!

Thanks for the update.

He also said he feels bad for the teams that passed up on the kid because he is going to be a star.

Bronco Rob
08-05-2009, 05:43 PM
:wiggle:

Baba Booey
08-05-2009, 05:55 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_fSJ7_jRoOag/R2VaC3qEZ8I/AAAAAAAAAbg/M1DWT7d_-AA/s400/simpsons_nelson_haha2.jpg

cutthemdown
08-05-2009, 06:09 PM
On that logic we should simply dump our top pick every year. Would you be in favor of that?

No, but maybe its not smart to have 4 high first rounders in 2 yrs. In that situation I may always support a trade of one of the picks for something cheaper. In this case cheaper and a yr earlier. In some other yr it may have been for a good established player etc.

So no not trade so you have no first round pick. I think you always want to be in first round, at least to start the draft. But when you have 2 first rounders I don't think its stupid to move around a little more.

What do you think. Could a team afford 4 first round picks in 2 yrs. That would be a lot of money going to 4 rookies.

ZONA
08-05-2009, 06:31 PM
Maybe this will take some of the sting from our own 1st round bust.

Yep that it will!

True, but Dorsey was picked 5th overall, way way higher then Moss. It's not nearly the same degree of bustage........hahahhaha

Bronco Rob
08-06-2009, 07:28 AM
:~ohyah!:

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-06-2009, 08:00 AM
Boob was the fifth overall pick in the '08 draft?

Bronco Rob
08-07-2009, 05:18 PM
Chiefs' Dorsey standing out for wrong reasons


Posted Aug. 07, 2009 @ 10:53 a.m.
By Michael Blunda
For just about all the wrong reasons, DE Glenn Dorsey has been the talk of the Chiefs' training camp early on. After being one of a handful of players to fail a conditioning test when the team began camp, Dorsey was the final one to be cleared to return, missing about four days' worth of team drills. During the time he was held out of practice, the 2008 first-rounder was confined to an area called "No Man's Land," where he'd walk, run and lift weights in plain view of all his teammates and spectators. From what we hear, this was done to embarrass Dorsey as much as anything, shaming him into getting back into football shape. A prized possession of the prior regime who doesn't fit well in the club's new 3-4 defense, Dorsey continues to be on the bad side of head coach Todd Haley, and missing important camp time only puts him behind in his starting battle with rookie Alex Magee.





:giggle:

WoodMan
08-07-2009, 06:30 PM
:giggle:

This shaming technique to motivate does not work. The shame will likely turn Dorsey into psychological soup. So not only will he be a physical mess but a mental mess also. He will be out of football soon, like MoC. :)

Gort
08-08-2009, 09:56 AM
you reward a kid right out of college who has never played a single NFL down with a $51M contract, of which $22M is guaranteed, and what do you expect?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp08/news/story?id=3506135

if that kid doesn't have the inner desire to work for success in the NFL, he already knows he's going to get $23M for sitting on the couch eating donuts during the offseason.

the problem is with the way the NFL pays rookies and that problem is getting out of hand... something needs to be done about it.

Karenin
08-08-2009, 12:19 PM
hahahah this must be that schaudenfreude that ol' fatass was talking about

barryr
08-08-2009, 12:43 PM
The Chiefs' draft record with DL hasn't been much better than the Broncos the last decade or so and we know the Broncos have been dismal in that area. There was concern that Dorsey could even fit in a 3-4 defense, not counting any other problems he may have.

Bronco Rob
08-09-2009, 02:45 PM
;)

Bronx33
08-09-2009, 02:51 PM
Has bobo put a spin on this food related development yet?

fdf
08-09-2009, 05:02 PM
On that logic we should simply dump our top pick every year. Would you be in favor of that?

After the signing debacles this year, I'm thinking it's going to be pretty hard to trade down from the top ten next year and get any real value. If you don't, you get the standard draft crap shoot at an extremely high price.

Seems to me top ten picks are a lot less valuable to teams than they were three years ago. It'll be interesting to see the trades next year to see if they verify my impression.

fdf
08-09-2009, 05:05 PM
True, but Dorsey was picked 5th overall, way way higher then Moss. It's not nearly the same degree of bustage........hahahhaha

It's hard for me to do much criticizing DL picks by other teams. We haven't had a really good one since Trevor Pryce--and that was more than ten years ago.

But I will freely mock any Raiders pick just on the ground it is the Raiders. No need to have justification. That's just the way things should be--the Raiders should be mocked by all as often as possible and in the most extreme manner possible.

Atlas
08-09-2009, 08:36 PM
THe funny part is they traded JAred Allen one of the best pass rushers in the NFL. He used to kill Denver. Now they have nothing.

broncosteven
08-09-2009, 08:59 PM
THe funny part is they traded JAred Allen one of the best pass rushers in the NFL. He used to kill Denver. Now they have nothing.

Derrick Thomas used to have 20+ sack seasons, now KFC would like to have that total as a team!