White House: Whats in your Wallet? [Archive] - The Orange Mane

cutthemdown

08-03-2009, 12:32 AM

You b**** about the deficit and then you don't wanna pay it. Typical rightard mentality.

so in your opinion his promise that the middle class would not see any more taxes is not really in stone. As in if you feel it's needed, and Obama the one to do it, then saying anything to get elected is an ends justify the means sort of deal. IMO many other Presidents also did same thing but Obama was supposed to be different.

I don't like the idea of a value added tax like they are talking about. Obama should have said he wanted something like that during election.

So you support a value added tax. You realize a tax like that is regressive right?

A tax like that hits poor and the middle class actually more then rich. Research it a bit and decide if you really like the idea. Don't just suck everything down without tasting it sonny boy.

epicSocialism4tw

08-03-2009, 02:15 AM

You b**** about the deficit and then you don't wanna pay it. Typical rightard mentality.

What you fail to understand is that Obama is trying to pass this garbage through congress right now.

We have the right and the ability to say no.

TailgateNut

08-03-2009, 06:49 AM

What you fail to understand is that Obama is trying to pass this garbage through congress right now.

We have the right and the ability to say no.

Plain and simple for ya: How the **** are we supposed to pay for Bushs' credit card bill and the financial abyss created by him and his co****cking friends?

spdirty

08-03-2009, 07:10 AM

Plain and simple for ya: How the **** are we supposed to pay for Bushs' credit card bill and the financial abyss created by him and his co******ing friends?

So stimulus 2 and Government Motors was all Bush eh? ::)

broncofan7

08-03-2009, 07:12 AM

Plain and simple for ya: How the **** are we supposed to pay for Bushs' credit card bill and the financial abyss created by him and his co******ing friends?

SURE! and since we already have such an enormous amount of debt-why don't we also create another monstrous spending program such as health care insurance coverage for everyone! Why not car insurance for everyone too! You know, it's those uninsured drivers who drive up the cost of car insurance for the rest of us!And while we are at it--how about a free college education for everyone too!...........Face it--Despite a mantra of 'change we can believe in!'--Barry is the SAME type of political crony that we have sent to Washington for far too long--BOTH parties are broken---If you DON'T vote third party in 2010 and 2012--then you are part of the problem.

Meck77

08-03-2009, 07:16 AM

Our government has fooled us again. It simply amazes me how we Americans rationalize getting lied to and ****ed over time and time again. Bush did it with Iraq. Obama is now on the verge of doing it. Our government knows we'll just blame the previous administration or the next one and never the one in power and we'll bend over like a bunch of sheep.

At this point I hope Obama does raise taxes to record levels. Maybe that will finally piss enough people off to realize our two party system is a joke.

TailgateNut

08-03-2009, 07:20 AM

SURE! and since we already have such an enormous amount of debt-why don't we also create another monstrous spending program such as health care insurance coverage for everyone! Why not car insurance for everyone too! You know, it's those uninsured drivers who drive up the cost of car insurance for the rest of us!And while we are at it--how about a free college education for everyone too!...........Face it--Despite a mantra of 'change we can believe in!'--Barry is the SAME type of political crony that we have sent to Washington for far too long--BOTH parties are broken---If you DON'T vote third party in 2010 and 2012--then you are part of the problem.

**** you and your third party. ...and why are you sooo concerned about the health caqre bill. Will it reduce your hourly rate as a bedpan cleaner?

El Guapo

08-03-2009, 07:30 AM

Maybe Barry should make those he appointed to high positions pay their taxes. (*cough* Geitner *cough*)

Meck77

08-03-2009, 07:35 AM

Maybe Barry should make those he appointed to high positions pay their taxes. (*cough* Geitner *cough*)

How quickly they forget. He "forgot" to pay $30,000 in taxes. Yeah right. Hilarious! http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/13/questions-raised-immigration-documentation-geithners-housekeeper/

Like I said we deserve every bit that is coming our way.

Rohirrim

08-03-2009, 07:40 AM

Damn! If only McCain and Palin had been elected. They would have fixed everything by now. McCain would have refused to bail out the banks while lowering taxes on the rich. Just imagine how wonderful it would be...

TailgateNut

08-03-2009, 07:43 AM

broncofan7

08-03-2009, 07:51 AM

No doubt, we would all be "livin high on the hog". :spit:

Judging from your posts---'living high' is independent of which ever party is in power--I won't comment on the 'hog' softball that you threw our way as that is WAAAAAYYYY to EZ.........

Grumps

08-03-2009, 08:13 AM

Amazing...when the government comes out on a weekly basis with some new bull**** scheme to spend money on. How about we quit spending?

Left or right, how can you defend these guys? None of them give a **** about us.

TailgateNut

08-03-2009, 08:33 AM

Judging from your posts---'living high' is independent of which ever party is in power--I won't comment on the 'hog' softball that you threw our way as that is WAAAAAYYYY to EZ.........

Go clean a bedpan.

Rigs11

08-03-2009, 08:58 AM

so in your opinion his promise that the middle class would not see any more taxes is not really in stone. As in if you feel it's needed, and Obama the one to do it, then saying anything to get elected is an ends justify the means sort of deal. IMO many other Presidents also did same thing but Obama was supposed to be different.

I don't like the idea of a value added tax like they are talking about. Obama should have said he wanted something like that during election.

So you support a value added tax. You realize a tax like that is regressive right?

A tax like that hits poor and the middle class actually more then rich. Research it a bit and decide if you really like the idea. Don't just suck everything down without tasting it sonny boy.

You repubs complain about the defict, in which a big chunk came as result of Dubya's tax cuts.Then you complain when obama wants to tax the rich,now you complain when there is TALK of taxing the middle class. WTF do you want? As usual you have no plan, you turn into giant crying whiners.

broncofan7

08-03-2009, 08:59 AM

Go clean a bedpan.

I can only imagine the hellish deposits that someone of your ilk would produce..............especially since it comes out of BOTH ends......

TailgateNut

08-03-2009, 09:02 AM

I can only imagine the hellish deposits that someone of your ilk would produce..............especially since it comes out of BOTH ends......

Coming from the OM candy striper.:rofl:

broncofan7

08-03-2009, 09:08 AM

You repubs complain about the defict, in which a big chunk came as result of Dubya's tax cuts.Then you complain when obama wants to tax the rich,now you complain when there is TALK of taxing the middle class. WTF do you want? As usual you have no plan, you turn into giant crying whiners.

So you agree with adding universal heath care to an already out of control deficit? That's SOME 'PLAN' there partner....

broncofan7

08-03-2009, 09:10 AM

Coming from the OM candy striper.:rofl:

LOL--showing your age their a bit, no? And please keep your personal fantasies to yourself.......

TailgateNut

08-03-2009, 09:14 AM

LOL--showing your age their a bit, no? And please keep your personal fantasies to yourself.......

You are nothing but a little puppet, here for our entertainment. I pull your string and you respond. :spit:

Rigs11

08-03-2009, 09:20 AM

So you agree with adding universal heath care to an already out of control deficit? That's SOME 'PLAN' there partner....

As usual no plan from the right.You guy were complaining about the deficit way before healthcare was even talked about.So you want no bailouts, no healthcare, no taxes?The party of no strikes again.

TailgateNut

08-03-2009, 09:27 AM

As usual no plan from the right.You guy were complaining about the deficit way before healthcare was even talked about.So you want no bailouts, no healthcare, no taxes?The party of no strikes again.

Although he ACTS as if he is a reformed repukelikan (AKA third party), he remains a republican to the core. Cut taxes, wage wars, pro-racism, and then the icing on the cake: bitch when someone comes along who realizes someone needs to clean up the carnage created by his party and policies.

Rigs11

08-03-2009, 09:38 AM

Although he ACTS as if he is a reformed repukelikan (AKA third party), he remains a republican to the core. Cut taxes, wage wars, pro-racism, and then the icing on the cake: b**** when someone comes along who realizes someone needs to clean up the carnage created by his party and policies.

Yep the bill is due for those wars that he supported, you know in the name of democracy.Now they don't want to pay.

TailgateNut

08-03-2009, 09:52 AM

Yep the bill is due for those wars that he supported, you know in the name of democracy.Now they don't want to pay.

...but now he's not part of the "spend like a teenager with daddys credit card" party anymore. He's a libertarian, just like 30-40% of the ex GOPers.

broncofan7

08-03-2009, 10:01 AM

As usual no plan from the right.You guy were complaining about the deficit way before healthcare was even talked about.So you want no bailouts, no healthcare, no taxes?The party of no strikes again.

You support EXPANDING our deficit spending....your position is therefore absurd. You DO NOT spend MORE in an attempt to REDUCE debt. This really is not that complicated........

broncofan7

08-03-2009, 10:01 AM

Yep the bill is due for those wars that he supported, you know in the name of democracy.Now they don't want to pay.

Wars the 'I' supported? WRONG--as is your perspective in every other post within this thread.......

broncofan7

08-03-2009, 10:05 AM

...but now he's not part of the "spend like a teenager with daddys credit card" party anymore. He's a libertarian, just like 30-40% of the ex GOPers.

Not until Cheney/Bush did the wolves within the Republican party truly reveal themselves with abhorrent budget deficits, no bid contracts and illegitimate wars among a few of their deceitful acts--Libertarians share many of the views that the Republican party once did.

rastaman

08-03-2009, 10:21 AM

You support EXPANDING our deficit spending....your position is therefore absurd. You DO NOT spend MORE in an attempt to REDUCE debt. This really is not that complicated........

You reduce debts and deficits by raising taxes in the following scenarios.

You get the money by rolling back the Reagan tax cuts back to where they were in 1979 and you close the tax loop holes and you shut down illegal offshore accounts. Imagine how much tax revenue suddenly becomes available over just a 5 year period....let alone 10 years. We are talking trillions of dollars over a 5 or 10 year period.

Need more revenue and if you want to recoup the trillions stolen from Wall Street and its bailout.....charge Wall Street a 1% tax on all trades generated and transacted and speculation over a 10 year period, we are now talking $3.5 trillion over 10 years or $350 billion annually. Make this 1% tax PERMENENT!!!

Lastly, cut back on defense spending and out dated and unecessary military industrilize complex weapons system and vastly cut back on Empire building, all of which will free up $100's of billions annually. Its estimated our nation spends btwn $600 to $800 billion (that we know of). Why not for starters we cut military spending down to 50% percent......thats $300-$400 billion saved annually that could be put to better use to rebuild America's infrastructure.

So now do you see where all the money can come from!!!

Rigs11

08-03-2009, 10:52 AM

You support EXPANDING our deficit spending....your position is therefore absurd. You DO NOT spend MORE in an attempt to REDUCE debt. This really is not that complicated........

When the economy is handed to you in shambles,banks are going under,people are going bankrupt due to medical costs, you have to spend money.That is not complicated.When obama wants to tax to pay for the deficit he inherited, that is not complicated.So can you at least agree to pay for the deficit that obama was handed?Or do you want to just keep betching?

Garcia Bronco

08-03-2009, 11:00 AM

When the economy is handed to you in shambles,banks are going under,people are going bankrupt due to medical costs, you have to spend money.That is not complicated.When obama wants to tax to pay for the deficit he inherited, that is not complicated.So can you at least agree to pay for the deficit that obama was handed?Or do you want to just keep betching?

They need to stop spending. It's not that hard.

Rigs11

08-03-2009, 11:06 AM

They need to stop spending. It's not that hard.

fair enough, what about the deficit left by bush? can we at least pay for that?

broncofan7

08-03-2009, 11:11 AM

You reduce debts and deficits by raising taxes in the following scenarios.

You get the money by rolling back the Reagan tax cuts back to where they were in 1979 and you close the tax loop holes and you shut down illegal offshore accounts. Imagine how much tax revenue suddenly becomes available over just a 5 year period....let alone 10 years. We are talking trillions of dollars over a 5 or 10 year period.

Need more revenue and if you want to recoup the trillions stolen from Wall Street and its bailout.....charge Wall Street a 1% tax on all trades generated and transacted and speculation over a 10 year period, we are now talking $3.5 trillion over 10 years or $350 billion annually. Make this 1% tax PERMENENT!!!

Lastly, cut back on defense spending and out dated and unecessary military industrilize complex weapons system and vastly cut back on Empire building, all of which will free up $100's of billions annually. Its estimated our nation spends btwn $600 to $800 billion (that we know of). Why not for starters we cut military spending down to 50% percent......thats $300-$400 billion saved annually that could be put to better use to rebuild America's infrastructure.

So now do you see where all the money can come from!!!

Who is NOT arguing for cutting spending?

broncofan7

08-03-2009, 11:13 AM

fair enough, what about the deficit left by bush? can we at least pay for that?

You DO NOT spend MORE in an attempt to REDUCE debt.

Rigs11

08-03-2009, 11:14 AM

You DO NOT spend MORE in an attempt to REDUCE debt.

answer the question Claire.

Meck77

08-03-2009, 11:14 AM

Garcia Bronco

08-03-2009, 11:15 AM

fair enough, what about the deficit left by bush? can we at least pay for that?

Sure. By not spending another dime and paying down debt. Basically how you or I would run our budget.

TailgateNut

08-03-2009, 11:16 AM

They need to stop spending. It's not that hard.

You're like a ****ing wind up toy.

How do you propose paying Bushs' credit card bill
How do you propose paying for the ongoing war
How do you propose getting the economy out of its' slump
How do you propose employing the unemployed (or would you rather have them go collect "freebie money"
How do you propose fixing the criminal medical industry

Or should we just do the GB thingy (bury our ****ing heads in the sand).

broncofan7

08-03-2009, 11:17 AM

answer the question Claire.

THIS: You DO NOT spend MORE in an attempt to REDUCE debt. IS NOT A question--perhaps reading comprehension is the root of your ill formed opinions?.........

TailgateNut

08-03-2009, 11:19 AM

. Basically how you or I would run our budget.

:spit:

If YOU have no money coming in, how do YOU pay off your bills?

broncofan7

08-03-2009, 11:22 AM

You're like a ****ing wind up toy.

How do you propose paying Bushs' credit card bill
How do you propose paying for the ongoing war
How do you propose getting the economy out of its' slump
How do you propose employing the unemployed (or would you rather have them go collect "freebie money"
How do you propose fixing the criminal medical industry

Or should we just do the GB thingy (bury our ****ing heads in the sand).

If anyone on this board happened to be unfortunate enough to be unemployed--certainly mental midgets such as yourself would be close to exhausting your unemployment benefits right about now......hence your bizarre political position that this country can afford to insure all Americans and Illegal aliens who will be given amnesty--(don't fool yourself)---all the while attempting to pay down the debts of the previous administrations follies

Rigs11

08-03-2009, 11:25 AM

THIS: You DO NOT spend MORE in an attempt to REDUCE debt. IS NOT A question--perhaps reading comprehension is the root of your ill formed opinions?.........

Again, for the challenged. Will you agree to pay for the bush deficit?

broncofan7

08-03-2009, 11:27 AM

Again, for the challenged. Will you agree to pay for the bush deficit?

Believe me--I pay more tax than i like to admit........

TailgateNut

08-03-2009, 11:28 AM

If anyone on this board happened to be unfortunate enough to be unemployed--certainly mental midgets such as yourself would be close to exhausting your unemployment benefits right about now......hence your bizarre political position that this country can afford to insure all Americans and Illegal aliens who will be given amnesty--(don't fool yourself)---all the while attempting to pay down the debts of the previous administrations follies

I'm sure you don't have to worry about being unemployed. Blowjobs are always in demand. (on the other hand, **********s such as yourself are "a dime a dozen)

...and if you would get a clue re: my position re. illegal immigration you would refrain from stupid comments.

...re: paying down the previous admins debts. What do you propose. Should we just "write it off"?

broncofan7

08-03-2009, 11:36 AM

I've got news for you buddy! I'm sure that I don't have to worry about being unemployed. Blowjobs are always in demand. If business is slow, I'll even go so far as giving free rim jobs on Fridays while hanging out at the bus station or local truck stop--After all, that is how I met Spider

Fixed it. :clown:

Dudeskey

08-03-2009, 09:57 PM

:spit:

If YOU have no money coming in, how do YOU pay off your bills?

With my no-limit interest payment plan credit card ;)

Odysseus

08-03-2009, 11:14 PM

watermock

08-04-2009, 03:50 AM

you b**** about the deficit and then you don't wanna pay it. Typical rightard mentality.

omg

Meck77

08-04-2009, 04:04 AM

How do you propose paying for the ongoing war.

Speaking of the war.

What happened to this promise? I know I know. It doesn't matter what he said to get elected. Ha!

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watermock

08-04-2009, 04:13 AM

watermock

08-04-2009, 04:15 AM

Why are we putting 100k in afghanistan?

Are we torching the poppy fields?

Is on any network that we are destroying the heroin fields?

Maybe, just taking them over to friendly hand via CIA.

TailgateNut

08-04-2009, 06:49 AM

Why are we putting 100k in afghanistan?

Are we torching the poppy fields?

Is on any network that we are destroying the heroin fields?

Maybe, just taking them over to friendly hand via CIA.

Are you on crack? WTF is this gibberish?

Meck77

08-04-2009, 07:15 AM

I figured you'd ignore the fact that Obama lied about pulling the troops out in 2009.

They are stacking up faster and faster these days.

TailgateNut

08-04-2009, 08:06 AM

I figured you'd ignore the fact that Obama lied about pulling the troops out in 2009.

They are stacking up faster and faster these days.

What's stacking up? Troops in Afghanistan or lies?

http://www.centcom.mil/en/press-releases/mnf-i-officials-announce-troops-reductions-in-iraq.html

http://abcnews.go.com/US/IraqCoverage/story?id=1892044

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/30/white-house-hails-iraq-tr_n_223226.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/30/world/middleeast/30military.html

I know this isn't as quick as most wanted, but it's realistic. T
FYI: there are several issues which Obama isn't handling as I would prefer, but IMO he's a vast improvement over the previous DUDE. I know you wanted the Nut to reside in the white house, but that wasn't going to happen. I doubt he, nor anyone else could have done any better with the situation in Iraq.

Odysseus

08-04-2009, 05:50 PM

I figured you'd ignore the fact that Obama lied about pulling the troops out in 2009.

They are stacking up faster and faster these days.

Yes. There is a Task Force on ground to deal with the drug lords, the poppy fields, and all the connections associated with that.

Obama said during the campaign that the issues were in Pakistan and Afghanistan not Iraq. Anyone who has seen the security reports knows you cannot just drop your pants and run from Afghanistan. THAT is where the threat is. If Obama had pulled out of this area immeadiately he would have created three problems immeadiately. First of all the BUSH economy is based on war so shutting that down instantly is stupid and anyone with half a brain gets that. Second of all there is a real threat in Afghanistan. Third of all the support he needs to govern backs this war and unless you think a President is supposed to work alone than you really are naive about politics.

I am very happy McCain was not elected but the key mistake in this war was committed when they waited to see WHO was going to get elected. Obama was not shutting things down as most people exaggerated prior to election. I actually said all of this would happen prior to the election but people kept making up lies about what he said and what he meant. If we had left Iraq in 2009 we would have, again, created more problems than we solved.

People get hung up on sound bites on something a person said in August but then when he amends his position in September everyone wants to call them a liar because they changed their position? That is just douche bag logic.

Odysseus

08-04-2009, 05:58 PM

I figured you'd ignore the fact that Obama lied about pulling the troops out in 2009.

They are stacking up faster and faster these days.

The biggest lie is that you actually paid attention to what was said and when it was said. Obama did not lie. He stated his position. He changed his position. Would you rather a President that says "stay the course" and refuses to fire Rumsfield? Is that what you miss? Do you know how many people died because of Rumsfield "staying the course?"

Lying about a person does not make them wrong.

Odysseus

08-04-2009, 06:10 PM

THIS: You DO NOT spend MORE in an attempt to REDUCE debt. IS NOT A question--perhaps reading comprehension is the root of your ill formed opinions?.........

Do you ever answer any questions? All you do is post cute insults as if you were still in the sixth grade. You calling anybody ill informed is tragic comedy at it's finest.

Odysseus

08-04-2009, 06:17 PM

Sure. By not spending another dime and paying down debt. Basically how you or I would run our budget.

Where were you eight years ago?

Odysseus

08-04-2009, 06:23 PM

:spit:

If YOU have no money coming in, how do YOU pay off your bills?

It gets better. You have no money, no credit, and a globally downward spiraling economic condition where your number one major debt holder is prospering. Bernake issued a tidal wave of money to prevent the economy from going further south and because we don't have parades and balloons nobody sees what we really avoided.

I don't think taking your ball and bat home works in economics.

epicSocialism4tw

08-04-2009, 07:59 PM

You people are complete jackasses who are willing to accept higher taxes. Our government has squandered billions funding Israel's war, billions in bailouts, billions have been funneled to crooks via the federal reserve scam, billions were squandered saving failing banks and auto manufacturers that were PRIVATELY held companies.

Where was the f'in bailout for the middle class you idiots? Now you are willing to pay for all the BS that was forced on you without your consent? Did any of you vote on the bailouts? Did anyone represent you or ask you what you thought about them? Did you have a long conversation with your senator about it?

I simply can't believe the crap I'm reading from you democrats who are suddenly willing to accept a tax increase now.

This is a tax increase that would never be rescinded. Its another hand deep into your bank account that you wont see again.

Whats ironic about this is that Obama campaigned on getting the economy fixed, and instead he's raiding the American populace's collective coffers like a bandit while the people are unwilling to call him on it.

Obama said that he wouldnt tax the middle class. It didnt even take him a year to renig on that promise and turn it into an egregious lie.

Watching these hard-core liberals sop it up like syrup on a biscuit is pretty sad. They fall in line like lemmings led to a cliff. They have arrived at the cliff and theyre trying to get the rest of us to follow them over.

epicSocialism4tw

08-04-2009, 08:01 PM

cutthemdown

08-04-2009, 08:07 PM

I totally agree with how Obama handling both Iraq and Afghanistan. I also agree that he said whatever he needed to at the time to get elected. In his parties primary he said things about Iraq that the anti-war wanted to hear. Really Bush said all along we will leave when the Iraqi security forces can respond to, and secure events and attacks on there own. So really Obama following Gates, and the Bush timeline on Iraq.

In Afghanistan Obama was left with a good program with the drones, but not enough troops to secure vital areas crucial to the Taliban. So I agree with him sending more troops there. Before we make any deal with remaining Taliban we have to beat them back a bit more. We have to hurt them more and more to really have some ammo when it comes to a truce between them and the Afghan govt.

Also hurt and dog them to the point the swear off any ties to Al Queda.

The drones are working its a no brainer IMO. The have reports that they have had to switch many tactics because of the drones.

I'm more worried about the proposed healthcare, energy plan, and all the money he is spending then I am about how he is handling the troops. Seems to me he is smart and is leaving that to gates and the military leaders.

Bronco_Beerslug

08-05-2009, 05:11 AM

WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama's treasury secretary on Sunday said he cannot rule out higher taxes to help tame an exploding budget deficit and his chief economic adviser would not dismiss raising them on middle-class Americans as part of a health care overhaul.

LOL

You voted for this.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32260411/ns/politics-white_houseThe hypocrite Mad Yak trying to separate himself from his president again because he is so "bad", classic!!

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Obama will not raise middle class taxes: White House (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090803/pl_nm/us_obama_taxes_3)

Mon Aug 3, 3:16 pm ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. President Barack Obama maintains his "clear commitment" to not raise taxes on middle class families, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said on Monday.

After Obama's advisers appeared to leave the door open to a middle class tax hike over the weekend, Gibbs told reporters he was reiterating the president's promise not to raise taxes on those that make less than $250,000 a year.

rastaman

08-05-2009, 06:28 AM

It was a rigged electon.

Wall Street had no intention of electing McCain.

All wall street $ went to Obama.

That's why he refused matching funds. Along with Acorns voter drive and internet contribitions.

He didn't NEED the system of equality this time!

You mean vote flipping Republican backed Diebold voting machines played no roll in the 2008 elections like they did in 2000 and 2004?

Also, the fact that Republican operatives played vital roles to impact the 2008elections by illegally "Caging" and "Purging" and estimated 6-13 million predominately Democrat "Legal" voters, to deny their rights to vote in 2008? These voters were unable to cast regular ballots and were given provisional ballots which aren't counted unless an election is CHALLENGED.

So yes I'd say Republicans tried to rig the 2008 elections the same way they rigged the 2000 and 2004 elections. But what wasn't counted on was that Democrat voters came out in mass and overwhelmed the Republicans plans with massive voter registration.

Odysseus

08-05-2009, 10:18 AM

Obama is spitting out so many lies on top of lies that its only a matter of time before the liblemmings start agreeing on a collective apologetic for his inability to tell the truth to the American people.

I wish there was a way I could drag you screaming and kicking through cyber space to where I am so I can see what kind of Internet tough guy you are.

Obama is one of the most honest, decent, humane, intelligent, and introspective people we've hired for this job in ages and all you can think to do is crap on his name? What is your point? You trying to prove what a hard case you are talking a guy down who you didn't vote for? Why is showing a little class such a hard thing around here?

I guess I have realize the lowest common denominator of people is really common people who are frustrated and willing to blame everyone around themselves for their situation. I guess it's a sign of being a hard case because you can attack a person's credibility unchallenged.

We have become a nation of children accustomed to baby food. We have one of the greatest inventions in history for communication and yet the bulk of it is used for entertainment and creating lies.

TailgateNut

08-05-2009, 11:33 AM

Obama said that he wouldnt tax the middle class. It didnt even take him a year to renig on that promise and turn it into an egregious lie.

.

Did Rush call you and inform you of this NEW DEVELOPEMENT!

broncofan7

08-05-2009, 12:04 PM

Do you ever answer any questions? All you do is post cute insults as if you were still in the sixth grade. You calling anybody ill informed is tragic comedy at it's finest.

You limp wristed, bed wetting twit--HOW DOES ADDING TO OUR RECORD DEFICIT BY CREATING UHC AID IN OUR ECONOMIC RECOVERY??--"well, Healthcare costs are expanding by 20% every year--yada, yada yada...."-----go ahead and believe that you sheep...even IF it was true---our Government does not have the capacity to PAY FOR SUCH A LUXURY due to the deficits cultivated over the past 8 years............

broncofan7

08-05-2009, 12:08 PM

broncofan7

08-05-2009, 12:14 PM

Obama is one of the most honest, decent, humane, intelligent, and introspective people we've hired for this job in ages and all you can think to do is crap on his name? .

You gullible, wet behind the ears sheep........"Each of his ideas are magical, his policies can be found at the end of rainbows--when OBAMA drops a deuce, he leaves a toilet full of skittles"

...........how old are you, 22-24? Your naivety panties are showing..........

Spider

08-05-2009, 12:17 PM

LOL bedwetters lashing out ........... Obama be doin somethin right

broncofan7

08-05-2009, 12:32 PM

LOL bedwetters lashing out ........... Obama be doin somethin right

If by 'somethin' you mean a few things --yes...but they will ALL be undone and then some with UHC...........

epicSocialism4tw

08-05-2009, 12:36 PM

I wish there was a way I could drag you screaming and kicking through cyber space to where I am so I can see what kind of Internet tough guy you are.

Ha!

I thought you were interested in "class"?

Obama is one of the most honest, decent, humane, intelligent, and introspective people we've hired for this job in ages and all you can think to do is crap on his name? What is your point? You trying to prove what a hard case you are talking a guy down who you didn't vote for? Why is showing a little class such a hard thing around here?

You dont know what you are talking about. Youre exactly the type of easily-swayed person that needs to see images of Obama that change your perception a little. Obama is the type of guy that would do whatever he had to do to rise to the top. Whether its associating with a xenophibic, hate-filled church or talking out of both sides of his mouth to his own constituency on just about every issue he campaigned on or using fear tactics to force the most expensive money give-away in American history through congress without giving people time to even look at the thing, Obama is willing to do whatever it takes to get his socialistic philsophy manifested into policy.

We have become a nation of children accustomed to baby food. We have one of the greatest inventions in history for communication and yet the bulk of it is used for entertainment and creating lies.

Welcome to politics.

Maybe you'll start to understand the last 8 years a little better now that your little pet is the focus of negative propaganda for the first time. Its all downhill from here for you, so you better get used to it.

Bronco_Beerslug

08-05-2009, 12:49 PM

Maybe you'll start to understand the last 8 years a little better now that your little pet is the focus of negative propaganda for the first time. Its all downhill from here for you, so you better get used to it.Ah, the board hypocrite comparing the last 8 years of war mongering to the first 6 months of Obama. You religious right freaks are looney as hell.

Garcia Bronco

08-05-2009, 12:55 PM

Where were you eight years ago?

Hey I have been saying this all along. I am a fiscal conservative that believes in smaller government.

Rohirrim

08-05-2009, 02:51 PM

Another drama queen "Everybody Panic!" thread. ;D

Odysseus

08-05-2009, 11:23 PM

You limp wristed, bed wetting twit--HOW DOES ADDING TO OUR RECORD DEFICIT BY CREATING UHC AID IN OUR ECONOMIC RECOVERY??--"well, Healthcare costs are expanding by 20% every year--yada, yada yada...."-----go ahead and believe that you sheep...even IF it was true---our Government does not have the capacity to PAY FOR SUCH A LUXURY due to the deficits cultivated over the past 8 years............

It's amazing how much little dogs like to bark when there is a big scary fence to hide behind. I am going to give you the short version and let you look up the rest.

1. Drug companies are over charging for medicines that they don't need prescribe to patients who should be focused on wellness not medication.
2. There are cheaper ways to do most everything we do but we need to create a national discussion to eliminate our own inconsistency.
3. Health care is a large percentage of anything made in the United States.
4. The Baby Boomers are aging and will start to burden not only the social security system but healthcare as well. If you reduce health care costs you create opportunities to fix Medicare/Medicade as well eliminate the social burden of people with failed finances (Remember that stock market crash? Yeah. My stocks did fine. I was overseas.)
5. This will create a level playing field for large and small business growth.
6. The costs are NOT going down unless we intervene and the percentage of increase over the past 10 years has been staggering.
7. The back end reward of quality of life will lead to a better America.

The reason this discussion fails so often is not because the facts are wrong but because people don't want to talk about what is really happening. The medical field really needs to be updated not rebuilt. I think most doctors would like to get back to practicing medicine instead of filing out essential government reports. The rules and restrictions on doctors get worst every year. We need find out from our healers what they want and accommodate them. We are going to need more nurses and doctors instead of less so my opinion is that we need to focus on meeting the problems before they arise instead of waiting until after the problem is has gotten worst.

When exactly is it a good time to fix a problem?

Odysseus

08-05-2009, 11:32 PM

Hey I have been saying this all along. I am a fiscal conservative that believes in smaller government.

I used to believe in smaller government but times change. I think our biggest problem now is we betray our own American best interest so quickly that we need some heavy handed bastard to punch this thing back on course.

I am a political atheist. I don't think any party out there exists for the people. I think the ultimately politics breaks down to self interest. Most people here are not developed enough to understand what that really looks like but you seem pretty clear on where I am going with that.

I used to be fiscally conservative as well but we have created a situation where the rules for doing that have been compromised. Just because we don't run to the hills does not mean the river will not rise. The economic basis that you and I were coming from eight years ago was eroded and erased. Enron changed the rules. Executive privilege changed the rules. The culture of entitlement changed the rules.

I wish we could go back in time and warn ourselves of these days ahead but I don't think anything we said to our past selves would make any sense. People seem to be working from a position of nostalgia more than reality. We are not the same people we were eight years ago. What we wanted in 1939 changed in 1941 and then again 1945. Things have changed. We have to adopt and move forward.

Odysseus

08-05-2009, 11:36 PM

Tragically true--when will his spell wear off on sheep such as quiet-pu$$y...

Ouch. That hurteded.

watermock

08-05-2009, 11:43 PM

Wrong.

Fundamentals remain.

Odysseus

08-05-2009, 11:43 PM

Ha!

I thought you were interested in "class"?

---I am. It's too bad that you will prove to be nothing but a disappointment.

You dont know what you are talking about. Youre exactly the type of easily-swayed person that needs to see images of Obama that change your perception a little. Obama is the type of guy that would do whatever he had to do to rise to the top. Whether its associating with a xenophibic, hate-filled church or talking out of both sides of his mouth to his own constituency on just about every issue he campaigned on or using fear tactics to force the most expensive money give-away in American history through congress without giving people time to even look at the thing, Obama is willing to do whatever it takes to get his socialistic philsophy manifested into policy.

--I have already addressed this a hundred times. You are on your own.

Welcome to politics.

Maybe you'll start to understand the last 8 years a little better now that your little pet is the focus of negative propaganda for the first time. Its all downhill from here for you, so you better get used to it.

--I have been active in politics for years so I don't really need you to welcome me anywhere.

You poor tragic little man. Good luck with that.

Odysseus

08-05-2009, 11:44 PM

Wrong.

Fundamentals remain.

Wrong. Fundamentals have changed.

watermock

08-05-2009, 11:46 PM

Obama is the type of guy that would do whatever he had to do to rise to the top. Whether its associating with a xenophibic, hate-filled church or talking out of both sides of his mouth to his own constituency on just about every issue he campaigned on or using fear tactics to force the most expensive money give-away in American history through congress without giving people time to even look at the thing, Obama is willing to do whatever it takes to get his socialistic philsophy manifested into policy.

Dubya was never so clever.

watermock

08-05-2009, 11:51 PM

Wrong. Fundamentals have changed.

Wow.

The Golden age is gone, Reality has changed or more the apprearance as such, not fundamentals.

Odysseus

08-06-2009, 12:00 AM

Wow.

The Golden age is gone, Reality has changed or more the apprearance as such, not fundamentals.

I swear you are the retarded version Yoda. WTF RU saying?

broncofan7

08-06-2009, 05:25 AM

It's amazing how much little dogs like to bark when there is a big scary fence to hide behind. I am going to give you the short version and let you look up the rest.

1. Drug companies are over charging for medicines that they don't need prescribe to patients who should be focused on wellness not medication.
2. There are cheaper ways to do most everything we do but we need to create a national discussion to eliminate our own inconsistency.
3. Health care is a large percentage of anything made in the United States.
4. The Baby Boomers are aging and will start to burden not only the social security system but healthcare as well. If you reduce health care costs you create opportunities to fix Medicare/Medicade as well eliminate the social burden of people with failed finances (Remember that stock market crash? Yeah. My stocks did fine. I was overseas.)
5. This will create a level playing field for large and small business growth.
6. The costs are NOT going down unless we intervene and the percentage of increase over the past 10 years has been staggering.
7. The back end reward of quality of life will lead to a better America.

The reason this discussion fails so often is not because the facts are wrong but because people don't want to talk about what is really happening. The medical field really needs to be updated not rebuilt. I think most doctors would like to get back to practicing medicine instead of filing out essential government reports. The rules and restrictions on doctors get worst every year. We need find out from our healers what they want and accommodate them. We are going to need more nurses and doctors instead of less so my opinion is that we need to focus on meeting the problems before they arise instead of waiting until after the problem is has gotten worst.

When exactly is it a good time to fix a problem?

do you even know who you are writing to?

Meck77

08-06-2009, 05:33 AM

I think the ultimately politics breaks down to self interest.

There is no doubt about it yet the rest of us idiots battle one another on a daily basis trying to blame a political party or person. Ha!

Meanwhile side deals are being cut everyday.

"I'm ok if Obama raises my taxes because it's not his fault". :rofl:
Americans are naive. Plain and simple.

Odysseus

08-06-2009, 05:40 AM

There is no doubt about it yet the rest of us idiots battle one another on a daily basis trying to blame a political party or person. Ha!

Meanwhile side deals are being cut everyday.

"I'm ok if Obama raises my taxes because it's not his fault". :rofl:
Americans are naive. Plain and simple.

You saw a lot of this first hand in Denver politics. I am offended that so few people know about the deals Hickenlooper cut.

When you said he went balls up after your second conversation with him that spoke volumes. Denver politics has always been shady.

Odysseus

08-06-2009, 05:46 AM

do you even know who you are writing to?

I don't need your permission to post here cupcake.

Bronco_Beerslug

08-06-2009, 05:59 AM

"I'm ok if Obama raises my taxes because it's not his fault".
Americans are naive. Plain and simple. Look no further than them voting Bush in TWICE for conformation of that statement. The term "simple" emphasized.

broncofan7

08-06-2009, 06:07 AM

I don't need your permission to post here cupcake.

Sadly--that is the only thing true within your posts in this thread..
a violation of the Hippocratic oath no doubt--but if UHC passes, may you be stricken with an aliment so wicked that you become the 1st example of why UHC isn't an efficient model in reducing mortality rates.........only then will someone with your level of arrogance succumb to what others have been saying all along---a single-payer system is NOT a better system than what we have now for preventing health related DEATHS in the United States.........

broncofan7

08-06-2009, 06:11 AM

Ouch. That hurteded.

Not as much as this must have:

You gullible, wet behind the ears sheep........"Each of his ideas are magical, his policies can be found at the end of rainbows--when OBAMA drops a deuce, he leaves a toilet full of skittles"

...........how old are you, 22-24? Your naivety panties are showing..........

I forgot to add that you should probably wipe your chin too............

Spider

08-06-2009, 06:40 AM

Not as much as this must have:

You gullible, wet behind the ears sheep........"Each of his ideas are magical, his policies can be found at the end of rainbows--when OBAMA drops a deuce, he leaves a toilet full of skittles"

...........how old are you, 22-24? Your naivety panties are showing..........

I forgot to add that you should probably wipe your chin too............
LOL and that one didnt even hurt .........remember playing punch out ?
or bloody knuckles ?
this quote wouldnt have even left a red mark

broncofan7

08-06-2009, 06:47 AM

LOL and that one didnt even hurt .........remember playing punch out ?
or bloody knuckles ?
this quote wouldnt have even left a red mark

Spider--you are just uninformed and quite frankly--not that intelligent

Quiet-PU$$Y combines arrogance with being naive--a recipe for disaster.....

Spider

08-06-2009, 06:50 AM

Spider--you are just uninformed and quite frankly--not that intelligent

Quiet-PU$$Y combines arrogance with being naive--a recipe for disaster.....

LOL , if you say so ..........

Spider

08-06-2009, 07:01 AM

Spider--you are just uninformed and quite frankly--not that intelligent
Also , I would like to say this isnt my fault , Black America has been keeping me down and oppressed .......... Ha!

broncofan7

08-06-2009, 07:12 AM

Also , I would like to say this isnt my fault , Black America has been keeping me down and oppressed .......... Ha!

more than likely--it is your sub par genetic stock.........

Odysseus

08-06-2009, 07:18 AM

Spider--you are just uninformed and quite frankly--not that intelligent

Quiet-PU$$Y combines arrogance with being naive--a recipe for disaster.....

You are completely right. I am so sorry that I did not see this before. I am glad that you, in all your insight, wisdom, maturity and compassion are willing to take your time to help me. I humbly request an audience with greatness.

Can you provide me reading material? Links? Anything of substance to guide me away from this horrible condition that you yourself are so willing to save me from? I know from your posts that you are well educated, well read and someone of high standing. I look forward to basking in your awesomeness.

Sincerely,

Your humble student,

Inigo Montoya

TailgateNut

08-06-2009, 07:34 AM

You are completely right. I am so sorry that I did not see this before. I am glad that you, in all your insight, wisdom, maturity and compassion are willing to take your time to help me. I humbly request an audience with greatness.

Can you provide me reading material? Links? Anything of substance to guide me away from this horrible condition that you yourself are so willing to save me from? I know from your posts that you are well educated, well read and someone of high standing. I look forward to basking in your awesomeness.

Sincerely,

Your humble student,

Inigo Montoya

After hanging his "fishnet stockings" on the mantle on Christmas eve BF7 goes to bed and has "Visions of grandeur" and dreams of "utopian all white nation" (not talking snowfall).

broncofan7

08-06-2009, 08:05 AM

After hanging his "fishnet stockings" on the mantle on Christmas eve BF7 goes to bed and has "Visions of grandeur" and dreams of "utopian all white nation" (not talking snowfall).

Fishnet stockings wouldn't really hold that much compared to normal x-mas stockings....oh wait---your point of reference is different than mine-girls I date are size 4 or less----I didn't realize they made fishnet stockings in size 'WHALE'---you must have REALLY made out well at Christmas time, huh!

Utopian 'POST RACIAL' society where race baiters (like quiet-vagina) are prosecuted as harshly as discrimination is........when the modern media latches onto stories such as the JENA-6 and the Duke lacrosse players 'rape' case with the amount of vigor that they did, I KNOW we still have a long way to go......

broncofan7

08-06-2009, 08:16 AM

You are completely right. I am so sorry that I did not see this before. I am glad that you, in all your insight, wisdom, maturity and compassion are willing to take your time to help me. I humbly request an audience with greatness.

I can be of the forgiving sort and it is good to see that you, if you search VERY deeply inside that politically correct, left wing indoctrinated mind of yours is capable of finally recognizing your folly. You are almost forgiven and I almost retract my earlier statement of wishing prostate cancer upon you..........

Bronco_Beerslug

08-06-2009, 08:46 AM

I can be of the forgiving sort .You don't even know who you are talking to in these forums but making an ass out of yourself, you have down pat. QT has been in and around Iraq for years protecting your right to be free and stupid.

broncofan7

08-06-2009, 08:56 AM

You don't even know who you are talking to in these forums but making an ass out of yourself, you have down pat. QT has been in and around Iraq for years protecting your right to be free and stupid.

Oh--so he ALREADY HAS A SINGLE PAYER HEALTHCARE program that takes care of his needs--that explains it.

RE: military service---He was ORDERED there to do a job that he volunteered FOR. And according to those LIKE QUIET-Vagina, I thought that our war in EYE-RAK really was only to serve the personal vendetta that 'dubbya' had against SAH-DAMN and for Cheney to line the pockets of haliburton buddies and NOT AN ACTION DESIGNED TO PROTECT OUR FREEDOM?

Which is it?

TailgateNut

08-06-2009, 09:01 AM

Oh--so he ALREADY HAS A SINGLE PAYER HEALTHCARE program that takes care of his needs--that explains it.

RE: military service---He was ORDERED there to do a job that he volunteered FOR. And according to those LIKE QUIET-Vagina, I thought that our war in EYE-RAK really was only to serve the personal vendetta that 'dubbya' had against SAH-DAMN and for Cheney to line the pockets of haliburton buddies and NOT AN ACTION DESIGNED TO PROTECT OUR FREEDOM?

Which is it?

No ifs' ands' or buts', you are without a doubt a classless piece of dung.

broncofan7

08-06-2009, 09:09 AM

No ifs' ands' or buts', you are without a doubt a classless piece of dung.

Cannot have it BOTH ways---You libs cannot claim that he is 'fighting for my freedom in IRAQ' in one thread--then CALL it an illegal exercise of Re-THUG-lican aggression in another..........but hypocrisy tends to define everything about the DEMS......nice try.

Rohirrim

08-06-2009, 09:16 AM

This is the kind of complete lack of respect from the right that leads me to believe that we are destined for another civil war.

broncofan7

08-06-2009, 09:18 AM

This is the kind of complete lack of respect from the right that leads me to believe that we are destined for another civil war.

And you apparently are unable to admit hypocrisy when you see it.

Mr Independent---Which is it? An illegal act of aggression or a noble defense of American Liberty?

Rohirrim

08-06-2009, 09:20 AM

And you apparently are unable to admit hypocrisy when you see it.

Mr Independent---Which is it? An illegal act of aggression or a noble defense of American Liberty?

You disrespect service to the flag, you disrespect the flag. Period.

TailgateNut

08-06-2009, 09:22 AM

This is the kind of complete lack of respect from the right that leads me to believe that we are destined for another civil war.

I know if it comes to blows, I'm headed to Texass!

broncofan7

08-06-2009, 09:25 AM

I know if it comes to blows, I'm headed to Texass!

no doubt--to get on the WINNING SIDE! you're such a front runner :welcome:

TailgateNut

08-06-2009, 09:28 AM

no doubt--to get on the WINNING SIDE! you're such a front runner :welcome:

I'll be on the winning side, but that's not why I pick Texass as my battleground. Your state has a monopoly of Dumbasses who need to be put out of their misery.

broncofan7

08-06-2009, 09:30 AM

You disrespect service to the flag, you disrespect the flag. Period.

:clown: nice try. you do not get $200, you do not pass 'GO', you go directly to jail--for that putird attempt to answer my question---That lefty nitwit attempted to use a '--"yeah, but he's protecting your freedom MAN!' statement 'forcefield' that would impune him from critique--guess what--I'm NOT PC. And you are unable to give a legitimate answer either---

When can someone who called the IRAQ war an illegitimate Republican power play then turn around and say to someone--"They are protecting your FREEDOM!"--only when it SERVES THEMSELVES-- hypocrites...

broncofan7

08-06-2009, 09:32 AM

I'll be on the winning side, but that's not why I pick Texass as my battleground. Your state has a monopoly of Dumbasses who need to be put out of their misery.

HAHAHA---:clown:

Rohirrim

08-06-2009, 09:34 AM

:clown: nice try. you do not get $200, you do not pass 'GO', you go directly to jail--for that putird attempt to answer my question---That lefty nitwit attempted to use a '--"yeah, but he's protecting your freedom MAN!' statement 'forcefield' that would impune him from critique--guess what--I'm NOT PC. And you are unable to give a legitimate answer either---

When can someone who called the IRAQ war an illegitimate Republican power play then turn around and say to someone--"They are protecting your FREEDOM!"--only when it SERVES THEMSELVES--pink puppy belliING hypocrites...

Just the facts. The Right has been doing this for years. They make a big show of saluting the flag and respecting those who serve on their side (if they can find a few who have served. Most, like Cheney and Bush, figured a way to avoid it). At the same time they attack the service of those on the other side. That's how rabid their partisanship is. Their ideology comes before flag and country, as your posts reveal. Just telling you like it is.

broncofan7

08-06-2009, 09:38 AM

Just the facts. The Right has been doing this for years. They make a big show of saluting the flag and respecting those who serve on their side (if they can find a few who have served. Most, like Cheney and Bush, figured a way to avoid it). At the same time they attack the service of those on the other side. That's how rabid their partisanship is. Their ideology comes before flag and country, as your posts reveal. Just telling you like it is.

Nice attempt to distance from YOUR obvious hypocrisy--just as I thought---you know AND I KNOW you have already chosen your side in this argument--that the Iraq war was an illegitimate power grab by Cheney & BUSH--yet when it serves YOU--you choose to place it in a light that shows the IRAQ war as valiant and noble...you are perhaps the WORST hypocrite of them all in that regard ..........

Rohirrim

08-06-2009, 10:21 AM

Nice attempt to distance from YOUR obvious hypocrisy--just as I thought---you know AND I KNOW you have already chosen your side in this argument--that the Iraq war was an illegitimate power grab by Cheney & BUSH--yet when it serves YOU--you choose to place it in a light that shows the IRAQ war as valiant and noble...you are perhaps the WORST hypocrite of them all in that regard ..........

When I was in the U.S. Army Infantry I served in places where I disagreed with the American policy. Does that mean my service was somehow less respectable? I was completely opposed to the president, and the policies of that time. Was my service less admirable? There are over 58,000 names on The Black Wall. I guarantee you, a whole lot of them disagreed with the policy. I knew some of them. Many were draftees. But they made the ultimate sacrifice for their country anyway. I know there are plenty of rightards out there who would like to dig them up and remove them from hallowed ground over ideological principles. I have no doubt of that.

broncofan7

08-06-2009, 10:31 AM

When I was in the U.S. Army Infantry I served in places where I disagreed with the American policy. Does that mean my service was somehow less respectable? I was completely opposed to the president, and the policies of that time. Was my service less admirable? There are over 58,000 names on The Black Wall. I guarantee you, a whole lot of them disagreed with the policy. I knew some of them. Many were draftees. But they made the ultimate sacrifice for their country anyway. I know there are plenty of rightards out there who would like to dig them up and remove them from hallowed ground over ideological principles. I have no doubt of that.

IT was written that he was protecting my FREEDOM by serving in IRAQ---people of your view DO NOT SEE IT THAT WAY AND HAVE EXPRESSED THAT SENTIMENT ON THIS BOARD ENOUGH TO MAKE ONE DIZZY.

Again--which is it? Is he serving to protect my 'freedom to be stupid' or is he serving in BUSH/Cheney's illegal barbaric IRAQ WAR? IS he or is he not???????

Rohirrim

08-06-2009, 10:33 AM

IT was written that he was protecting my FREEDOM by serving in IRAQ---people of your view DO NOT SEE IT THAT WAY AND HAVE EXPRESSED THAT SENTIMENT ON THIS BOARD ENOUGH TO MAKE ONE DIZZY.

Again--which is it? Is he serving to protect my 'freedom to be stupid' or is he serving in BUSH/Cheney's illegal barbaric IRAQ WAR? IS he or is he not???????

Well, he said he's protecting your right to be both free and stupid. So I guess I have to agree with that. :wiggle:

Spider

08-06-2009, 03:01 PM

more than likely--it is your sub par genetic stock.........
Alright mother ****er , you know damn well I just buried my Dad , you let this go before it escalates ................

TailgateNut

08-07-2009, 07:47 AM