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Anaximines
08-01-2009, 03:10 PM
http://community.kdvr.com/_Sources-Broncos-Moss-Approaches-Team-Thinking-About-Retirement/BLOG/489177/96399.html?widgetId=216686

Broncos defensive lineman/outside linebacker Jarvis Moss was not in attendance at the teams practice today. A team source with knowledge of the circumstances surrounding his absence talked with Fox 31 Sports and provided an explanation.

He told Josina Anderson, I was told Jarvis went to (Josh) McDaniels and met one on one with the coach and said he does not want to do this anymore. He feels he might be done with football and hes thinking about retirement.

.. follow the link for more.

Requiem
08-01-2009, 03:12 PM
Jarvis Moss has been and always will be a pussy. Good riddance.

TheReverend
08-01-2009, 03:12 PM
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8408/fifty.gif

Paladin
08-01-2009, 03:12 PM
Understandable. He can't get the weight he needs and I would think he would be frustrated with the Staph infection and other problems. Wouldn't blame him a bit......

Bob's your Information Minister
08-01-2009, 03:13 PM
A whole bunch of you need to eat some crow.

BroncoMan4ever
08-01-2009, 03:13 PM
i knew he was a loser 2 years ago

JCMElway
08-01-2009, 03:13 PM
Good. F***in' pussy. Get him out of here if he doesn't like his new position and doesn't wanna play. Waaaa. McDaniels and Nolan are cutting out the whiners one by one.

BTW, if he does retire, what does that do to our cap?

Hogan11
08-01-2009, 03:15 PM
He was gonna get cut anyways.....he might as well try to save some face and take himself out now.

fido
08-01-2009, 03:16 PM
Good. ****in' p***Y. Get him out of here if he doesn't like his new position and doesn't wanna play. Waaaa. McDaniels and Nolan are cutting out the whiners one by one.

BTW, if he does retire, what does that do to our cap?

good call on the cap, maybe that will help with ayers and moreno

Gcver2ver3
08-01-2009, 03:19 PM
He was gonna get cut anyways.....he might as well try to save some face and take himself out now.

not sure quitting saves him face...

but yeah i agree, he was gonna prolly be cut regardless...

and to think, we actually TRADED UP to get him...

iforgotmypassword
08-01-2009, 03:23 PM
i was so so pissed the day we drafted him, I said a month before the draft anybody but Moss.... sittin there watchin it with my freind who landed AP the same day

Archer81
08-01-2009, 03:26 PM
Eh...bye, I guess...


:Broncos:

Endy
08-01-2009, 03:32 PM
I'll be there in Canton in 2014 when he becomes eligible...

elpasojoe
08-01-2009, 03:35 PM
So much wasted time effort and (cap) money. He says "I don't want to do this" -- what has he done? Nothing. I am upset, get him a bus out of town.

LonghornBronco
08-01-2009, 03:37 PM
http://jbeaniesports.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/vince-lombardi-trophy-for-super-bowl-xlii2.jpg

There it is...

broncofan2438
08-01-2009, 03:39 PM
Wow, that lasted long

Doggcow
08-01-2009, 03:41 PM
Where is the McDaniels sucks regime to comment on this Shanny era pick?!?!?!?

HooptyHoops
08-01-2009, 03:42 PM
This is just crazy news...

WyoLaw
08-01-2009, 03:46 PM
not sure quitting saves him face...

but yeah i agree, he was gonna prolly be cut regardless...

and to think, Shanahan actually TRADED UP to get him...

Fixed it for you.

SouthStndJunkie
08-01-2009, 03:47 PM
He probably knows he is going to get cut and wants to save some face....in his mind.

SouthStndJunkie
08-01-2009, 03:49 PM
Beat it, stick man.

rastaman
08-01-2009, 03:50 PM
Where is the McDaniels sucks regime to comment on this Shanny era pick?!?!?!?

Can't wait to see what McD can do with all of the players Shanny drafted on offense.:welcome:

Requiem
08-01-2009, 03:50 PM
Perhaps Jarvis got the picture when McDaniels had "Beat It" blasting through the speakers at Dove Valley. "Hey there Jarvis, here is a little song I dedicate to you."

BlaK-Argentina
08-01-2009, 03:56 PM
Pathetic. Ship him out ASAP!

DenverBrit
08-01-2009, 04:00 PM
He'll be missed. Ha!

OABB
08-01-2009, 04:00 PM
he should go to the chiefs...they take our quitters and love it.

CoopDawg
08-01-2009, 04:05 PM
Wow, this guy is a joke. Suck it up and compete.

Bob's your Information Minister
08-01-2009, 04:06 PM
he should go to the chiefs...they take our quitters and rape us for years with them.

fyp

DomCasual
08-01-2009, 04:07 PM
Some of Jarvis's quotes from this piece of hard-hitting journalism (http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20090719/ARTICLES/907199941/1136?Title=Ex-Gator-Moss-now-a-linebacker) less than two weeks ago. I guess I can scratch Gatorsports.com off my list of "places to turn to get solid Broncos news."

Its coming to me quick. Ive learned so much about my position and about the 3-4 defense here. Im excited. This is something I feel like I could have been doing from the very first day in the NFL.

I can only control the things that are within my control. Thats just going to work everyday with a positive attitude and just trying to get better while trying to help my team get better."

I would have to say I like that outside linebacker position better than defensive end. It is more versatile. I get to compete against wide receivers, tight ends, running backs and the quarterback all at the same time. Its awesome, man. You get to show your versatility.

When it comes time to put the pads on, Im going to show the coaches why I was a first-round draft pick. I have a little chip on my shoulder to be honest with you. It is totally new here, everything is wide open and there is a lot of competition.

That last one is my favorite, I think.

Anaximines
08-01-2009, 04:07 PM
I was pulling for him this season

ScottXray
08-01-2009, 04:09 PM
Well if this is true then we can finally say it.

Retire is spelled B.U.S.T.

Moving up for this turd ranks up there with the Clarrett pick ...in fact its worse. WHY oh WHY did we have to take this clown?

broncogary
08-01-2009, 04:09 PM
But he's a first round talent.

Gcver2ver3
08-01-2009, 04:22 PM
i am disappointed (but not surprised) that he isn't working out...i remember a while back saying on this board that he would be a bust and a bunch of posters jumped all on my case...

unfortunately i was right...but even still, you guys are a tough crowd...

he sounded like he was really excited about his opportunity and he just isn't good enough to beat out the other guys...it's gotta be hurtin him pretty bad, it's not like he wants it to turn out this way...

he's just a kid...and he had big dreams that he's realizing prolly won't materialize...i wish he wouldn't quit, but either way i don't see him making the team anyway...

a lot of name calling and piling on this kid...i certainly hope he doesn't view this site...

i feel bad for the guy...and if he can't make it in football, hopefully he'll find success in something else...

Hogan11
08-01-2009, 04:22 PM
not sure quitting saves him face...

but yeah i agree, he was gonna prolly be cut regardless......


That's why I said "try". Some would rather quit than get fired so they can feel that way I guess.

and to think, we actually TRADED UP to get him...

Understandable, since drafting wasn't really the old regime's strong suit.

UberBroncoMan
08-01-2009, 04:24 PM
Understandable, since drafting defense wasn't really the old regime's strong suit.

Fixed :)

lex
08-01-2009, 04:36 PM
That's why I said "try". Some would rather quit than get fired so they can feel that way I guess.



Understandable, since drafting wasn't really the old regime's strong suit.

It seems people are forgetting the circumstances, and, yes, even this ties into having Slowik as DC. Moss allegedly was picked because he fit what Bates wanted to do. Whats amazing is that we dumped Bates in favor of Slowik. Thats not to suggest Moss would have been all world with Slowik, but knowing that we did something as radical as pulling the plug on Bates in midseason IN FAVOR OF SLOWIK, is pretty unbelievable. And then, on top of that, he stuck around.

Jarvis Moss was part of a bigger problem. Once you make Bates your DC, youve got to let it run its course other wise its extremely wasteful in a variety of ways.

telluride
08-01-2009, 04:37 PM
He retired two years ago, frankly.

I'm not that big a fan of Sirius NFL, but some weeks ago they did have a pretty astute -- and prescient -- discussion about Jarvis. One host was asking the other if he would ever amount to anything, and the other host (Pat Kirwin, I think) stated flat out, no. He mentioned that rookies like Moss who come into the league and see right off that they aren't as good as they think they are can either: 1) Get mad, start working hard, and try to prove that they're players; 2) Give up, make excuses, stop working. Moss gave up almost immediately, and his injuries simply masked that fact for a bit.

They then both recounted the infamous predraft interview that Sirius did with Moss, in which he was high and partying with his crew at 10 a.m. on the week before the draft. He was on the phone with the party in the background, slurring his words, forgetting the questions. It got so bad that the hosts had to cut him off and hang up. They claim it was the most irresponsible and troubling live interview they've ever had.

I remember listening to that interview live, and thinking, Boy, I hope we don't draft that guy. Of course, Shanny does. And trades up to do so! Amazing.

Hercules Rockefeller
08-01-2009, 04:39 PM
Fixed :)

No, you didn't. Having 2 good offensive drafts in '06 and 08, still doesn't make up for their terrible drafts from the early part of this decade.

TheDave
08-01-2009, 04:42 PM
Like others have said... I doubted he was going to make the team anyways.

BroncoMan4ever
08-01-2009, 04:44 PM
I'll be there in Canton in 2014 when he becomes eligible...

are you going to sit in the stands with him and watch the induction ceremony for the players who didn't suck

BroncoMan4ever
08-01-2009, 04:45 PM
sad thing about him contributing about as much to the team as any member on this board is that when he retires or gets cut, he is going to walk away with millions in his bank account

lex
08-01-2009, 04:46 PM
No, you didn't. Having 2 good offensive drafts in '06 and 08, still doesn't make up for their terrible drafts from the early part of this decade.


The drafts before that were Sundquist drafts. Since Goodman has had a voice, Denver was the best drafting team in the league.

maher_tyler
08-01-2009, 04:47 PM
http://www.nfl.com/players/jarvismoss/careerstats?id=MOS572803

:notthissh

Not sure if i should laugh or cry!!

telluride
08-01-2009, 04:48 PM
The drafts before that were Sundquist drafts. Since Goodman has had a voice, Denver was the best drafting team in the league.

The "best drafting team in the league" should not have to have 47 players replaced in one off-season.

titan
08-01-2009, 04:48 PM
Josina on her twitter page:

Will have more stunning revelations on another topic, as well Moss later today.

http://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson

yerner
08-01-2009, 04:50 PM
Well I was completely wrong in thinking he needed more time and still had some usefulness. Apparently he was just a knucklehead. Hope he saved his money.

lex
08-01-2009, 04:54 PM
The "best drafting team in the league" should not have to have 47 players replaced in one off-season.

Youre being kind of liberal with the term "replaced".

Black59Razor
08-01-2009, 04:56 PM
I would have thought Tim Crowder would have pulled this stunt judging from his first two seasons...

telluride
08-01-2009, 05:01 PM
Youre being kind of liberal with the term "replaced".

"Bounced"?

illbroncsfn
08-01-2009, 05:06 PM
I was pulling for him this season

I was as well... Kinda makes you wonder if he will be pulling a Travis Henry and fall onto very tough times in a very small cell?

lex
08-01-2009, 05:15 PM
"Bounced"?

Who from those draft classes was replaced?

Popps
08-01-2009, 05:18 PM
I would have thought Tim Crowder would have pulled this stunt judging from his first two seasons...

Yea, I've said a few times that between Moss, Crowder and Powell... if one of them works out to be an even average contributor, it's a huge success.

What a disaster the prior administration was with regards to defense.

Unreal.

rastaman
08-01-2009, 05:35 PM
No, you didn't. Having 2 good offensive drafts in '06 and 08, still doesn't make up for their terrible drafts from the early part of this decade.

Yeah right Eienstein.....like the draft is an exact science. Sheeesh!:thumbs:

razorwire77
08-01-2009, 05:44 PM
Well, at least it's over.

MileHighMagic
08-01-2009, 06:03 PM
I tried to tell ya this guy was worthless and not to waste your time wishing he would amount to anything.

Funny how Florida Bronco is nowhere to be found in this thread.

What a miserable pick.

Killericon
08-01-2009, 06:05 PM
Before that draft, my signature was "**** Jarvis Moss".

I'm still screaming for Alan Branch.

Hercules Rockefeller
08-01-2009, 06:39 PM
The drafts before that were Sundquist drafts. Since Goodman has had a voice, Denver was the best drafting team in the league.

I count 2 Pro Bowls out of the last 3 drafts, at this point, no they have not.

lex
08-01-2009, 06:41 PM
I count 2 Pro Bowls out of the last 3 drafts, at this point, no they have not.

Ill take Mike Mayocks word over yours. Id go with my own observation over yours.

Hercules Rockefeller
08-01-2009, 06:45 PM
Yeah right Eienstein.....like the draft is an exact science. Sheeesh!:thumbs:

It's not, but they were still among the worst in the league over that time period. Shall we revisit the '00-'05 drafts again?

'00
No one left

'01
Hamilton, the only player even in the NFL from that draft

'02
Portis
Lelie
Putzier

1 guy from that draft who is guaranteed to make his team this year

'03
Unless Foster signed somewhere and I missed it, not a single player on an NFL roster where guys should be entering their 6th season

Edit: Heyward is left

'04
DJ
Tatum

'05
Better than in years past, Darrent would still be here, but still nothing stellar

That's terrible drafting.

Hercules Rockefeller
08-01-2009, 06:46 PM
Ill take Mike Mayocks word over yours. Id go with my own observation over yours.

That's fine, and like I said, the last few years does not give them a pass for the 1st half of the decade as much as some people here wished it did. It does not make them offensive drafting geniuses all of a sudden.

lex
08-01-2009, 06:55 PM
That's fine, and like I said, the last few years does not give them a pass for the 1st half of the decade as much as some people here wished it did. It does not make them offensive drafting geniuses all of a sudden.


No, it does not justify Sundquists existence within the organization. But there was clearly an improvement once the Goodmans had a voice. Criticism of the Sundquist drafts is totally fair. Simply put, they sucked. Criticism of Shanahan for allowing Sundquist to hang around so long is also totally fair. But to say the past three drafts in total, havent been highly successful, is a bold faced lie.

Hercules Rockefeller
08-01-2009, 06:57 PM
But to say the past three drafts in total, havent been highly successful, is a bold faced lie.

Please quote my post where I've said that.

lex
08-01-2009, 06:59 PM
I count 2 Pro Bowls out of the last 3 drafts, at this point, no they have not.

bump

Hercules Rockefeller
08-01-2009, 07:07 PM
bump

Reading comprehension is your friend. Responding to your post saying that they have not been the best drafting team over the past 3 seasons like you claim is not the same as saying that haven't drafted well. Try again lex.

lex
08-01-2009, 07:11 PM
Reading comprehension is your friend. Responding to your post saying that they have not been the best drafting team over the past 3 seasons like you claim is not the same as saying that haven't drafted well. Try again lex.


So, you think theyve been highly successful at drafting but when it comes to admitting theyve been the best in the league, you draw the line (even though someone as reputable as Mayock has indicated as much)? LOL. OK, sure.

eddie mac
08-01-2009, 07:13 PM
You have to admit though that Denver are right up there when it comes to loser draft picks especially defensive ones.

The only real success in the last 10 years has been Al Wilson and what a great draft pick he was, but one Al does not make up for 1st day bust after 1st day bust, be it through injury, personality or just downright awfulness.

IMO here's our Defensive draft pick decade hall of shame

1999 2 2 27 58 Montae Reagor LB Texas Tech
2000 1 1 15 15 Deltha O'Neal DB California
2001 1 1 24 24 Willie Middlebrooks DB Minnesota
2001 2 2 20 51 Paul Toviessi DE Marshall
2002 3 3 31 96 Dorsett Davis DT Mississippi State
2003 2 2 19 51 Terry Pierce LB Kansas State
2005 2 3 12 76 Karl Paymah DB Washington State
2005 3 3 33 97 Domonique Foxworth DB Maryland
2007 1 1 17 17 Jarvis Moss DE Florida

The list above is just one more reason as to why:

1. Denver still has one of the worst defenses in the league.

2. The franchise has had 1 sniff of a Superbowl appearance in 10 years.

3. Shanahan is no longer our own.

montrose
08-01-2009, 09:11 PM
I'll never fault a player for quitting when his heart isn't into it - I prefer to sulking around to collect paychecks. I will however blame the Shanahan/Goodman regime for one **** up of a pick.

rugbythug
08-01-2009, 10:01 PM
You have to admit though that Denver are right up there when it comes to loser draft picks especially defensive ones.

The only real success in the last 10 years has been Al Wilson and what a great draft pick he was, but one Al does not make up for 1st day bust after 1st day bust, be it through injury, personality or just downright awfulness.

IMO here's our Defensive draft pick decade hall of shame

1999 2 2 27 58 Montae Reagor LB Texas Tech
2000 1 1 15 15 Deltha O'Neal DB California
2001 1 1 24 24 Willie Middlebrooks DB Minnesota
2001 2 2 20 51 Paul Toviessi DE Marshall
2002 3 3 31 96 Dorsett Davis DT Mississippi State
2003 2 2 19 51 Terry Pierce LB Kansas State
2005 2 3 12 76 Karl Paymah DB Washington State
2005 3 3 33 97 Domonique Foxworth DB Maryland
2007 1 1 17 17 Jarvis Moss DE Florida

The list above is just one more reason as to why:

1. Denver still has one of the worst defenses in the league.

2. The franchise has had 1 sniff of a Superbowl appearance in 10 years.

3. Shanahan is no longer our own.

You can fault a lot of Shanahans draft picks but several of these were not bad ones.

1999 2 2 27 58 Montae Reagor LB Texas Tech -he has had a long and good career. Was not a Pro-bowl guy but still played a long time.
2000 1 1 15 15 Deltha O'Neal DB California -He is a two time probowl player once here once in Cinci
2005 3 3 33 97 Domonique Foxworth DB Maryland -Just signed a big money deal a better player than what he was given credit for by last years staff.

Popps
08-01-2009, 10:12 PM
IMO here's our Defensive draft pick decade hall of shame

1999 2 2 27 58 Montae Reagor LB Texas Tech
2000 1 1 15 15 Deltha O'Neal DB California
2001 1 1 24 24 Willie Middlebrooks DB Minnesota
2001 2 2 20 51 Paul Toviessi DE Marshall
2002 3 3 31 96 Dorsett Davis DT Mississippi State
2003 2 2 19 51 Terry Pierce LB Kansas State
2005 2 3 12 76 Karl Paymah DB Washington State
2005 3 3 33 97 Domonique Foxworth DB Maryland
2007 1 1 17 17 Jarvis Moss DE Florida
.


Wow.

It's posts like this that make me crack up at the raving mad "experts" around here insisting that Quinn was a bad pick or we gave up too much for smith.

After what we've done in the draft for a decade... you'd think people might just shut the **** up and let this new staff have a chance to do something before running their mouths about what failures they are.


Honestly. You folks around here crying about our draft is a bit like O.J. complaining about people stealing cable TV.

Florida_Bronco
08-01-2009, 10:20 PM
I tried to tell ya this guy was worthless and not to waste your time wishing he would amount to anything.

Funny how Florida Bronco is nowhere to be found in this thread.

What a miserable pick.

Sorry, some of us have lives and go out on the weekend, ya know?

Also, I'd hold off on running your mouth until we get something concrete instead of more yapping about secondhand knowledge from this Josina Anderson chick, who is hardly accurate.

db56
08-01-2009, 10:34 PM
the guy was a long shot to make the team, period. He is a huge bust and should have never been drafted untill the fourth round at the earliest, let alone the first. Good Riddance! another first round bust jumps ship.

GO BRONCOS!

skunk
08-01-2009, 10:42 PM
do we hold the record for guys "running away" from camp? who were those Clemson clowns? Nick Eason? What a pile of ****.

Goodbye manbabies!

Requiem
08-01-2009, 11:01 PM
I would have thought Tim Crowder would have pulled this stunt judging from his first two seasons...

Sorry MindField, Tim's not going anywhere.

KevinJames
08-01-2009, 11:31 PM
Look we don't know if this is actually true or not the words never came from the coach or Jarvis, so it could just be a rumor spun out of control, only thing said was McDaniels excused Moss for "personal reasons".

Its not crazy to think maybe one of his family members was sick and passed away or is sick that would make sense seeing multiple reports that he was seen praying yesterday, just something to keep in mind. He may be a bust so far and he probably is going to be just that but I hope all is well with him whatever the issue ends up being.

azbroncfan
08-02-2009, 12:02 AM
Where are the Moss defenders now? I don't care how much talent you got if you don't got it/want it upstairs you won't make it in anything. It wasn't just the coaches screaming and yelling at him he just isn't mentally tough enough.

Florida_Bronco
08-02-2009, 12:07 AM
Where are the Moss defenders now? I don't care how much talent you got if you don't got it/want it upstairs you won't make it in anything. It wasn't just the coaches screaming and yelling at him he just isn't mentally tough enough.

Wait, did I miss something? Has something official come out yet?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

azbroncfan
08-02-2009, 12:11 AM
Wait, did I miss something? Has something official come out yet?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

Whether or not it's true or not he is a third stringer. How do you explain that? He has been a bust up to this point and will be until he proves different. I'll bet he doesn't make final roster if this isn't true.

Broncojef
08-02-2009, 12:14 AM
How much money will Bowlen and Company ask to be recompensated now that he's quit? Seems like money wise he'd be better off getting cut instead of just walking away...maybe not, anyone know the official $$$ situation? His agent is no doubt spending some long distance time trying to convince him to come back.

Florida_Bronco
08-02-2009, 12:33 AM
Whether or not it's true or not Think you might want to have some proof one way or another before you try to call out the so called Moss defenders? That's akin to going to a gunfight and showing up unarmed.

he is a third stringer. How do you explain that? Uhh, real easy. He's a player changing schemes and a position he's never played on the 2nd day of training camp. I mean really, are you shocked by that? ???

kent156
08-02-2009, 05:27 AM
i just had a flashback of Nick eason

eddie mac
08-02-2009, 06:27 AM
You can fault a lot of Shanahans draft picks but several of these were not bad ones.

1999 2 2 27 58 Montae Reagor LB Texas Tech -he has had a long and good career. Was not a Pro-bowl guy but still played a long time.
2000 1 1 15 15 Deltha O'Neal DB California -He is a two time probowl player once here once in Cinci
2005 3 3 33 97 Domonique Foxworth DB Maryland -Just signed a big money deal a better player than what he was given credit for by last years staff.

What good was a draft pick to us if they did very little in a Denver uniform to warrant the high selection or little or nothing came back in return???

1st-3rd rd selections aren't made in the hope that we'll get one decent season out of them.

None of the above reached anywhere near the Broncos projections to warrant where they were taken.

elsid13
08-02-2009, 06:41 AM
What good was a draft pick to us if they did very little in a Denver uniform to warrant the high selection or little or nothing came back in return???

1st-3rd rd selections aren't made in the hope that we'll get one decent season out of them.

None of the above reached anywhere near the Broncos projections to warrant where they were taken.

Eddie Mac

You can say that about selections for every team. There are number of players that are selected that turn into solid players but nothing special. The draft is crap shoot, in hindsight say that wasn't a good pick isn't fair to the folks making the selection. They make a choice with the limited information they have available at that time.

s0phr0syne
08-02-2009, 07:02 AM
A lot of people might disagree with all the psyche-type analysis, but it sounds like Jarvis is clinically depressed. I don't know how much of that is a function of not being "mentally tough" enough or not. All I know is that when someone is truly depressed, there's very little that they feel like they can control, and that while they may have really good intentions of training hard, competing to the utmost of their ability, packing on some lbs of muscle, etc., when one or multiple of those things don't seem to be working out it's really really easy for someone in that situation to simply spiral down and feel like they can't control their circumstances.

If that's the case with Jarvis, I feel bad for him. There's a lot of stigma for anyone going through some kind of mental illness, and it's probably more so for a professional athlete. If he is depressed (as opposed to being lazy and "mentally weak"), I hope he can get some "happy pills" and some therapy and get his ass back on the field. One of Philly's linemen went through something similar last year, and Reid gave them the chance to stick around on the injured list and come into camp to compete this year.

It sucks that he's literally robbed this organization of millions of dollars and cost us other potentially great players, but that's the crapshoot that is the draft. It's not like he made our retarded staff draft him...that's on the Broncos as an organization, not on Jarvis.


Also, in regards to using the picks of Foxworth and Paymah to disparage the previous regime's drafting--both of those guys are still in the league and signed FA contracts. Neither appear to be on their teams respective bubbles, so honestly, that's a lot better than most teams' 4th round picks.

Elway777
08-02-2009, 07:07 AM
Breaking news : Moss has decided to retire from Football because he wants to have a sex chance operation. Moss is such a little girl.

2KBack
08-02-2009, 07:29 AM
Also, in regards to using the picks of Foxworth and Paymah to disparage the previous regime's drafting--both of those guys are still in the league and signed FA contracts. Neither appear to be on their teams respective bubbles, so honestly, that's a lot better than most teams' 4th round picks.

How about 3rd round picks?

Elway777
08-02-2009, 07:50 AM
If Moss retire then they should try and sign a player like Travis LaBoy or Jason Babin.

rugbythug
08-02-2009, 08:05 AM
What good was a draft pick to us if they did very little in a Denver uniform to warrant the high selection or little or nothing came back in return???

1st-3rd rd selections aren't made in the hope that we'll get one decent season out of them.

None of the above reached anywhere near the Broncos projections to warrant where they were taken.

Define did very little. All played several years. Reagor played out his contract. Deltha and Foxy played 3 years. Those two were also traded away giving us value back. Those are good picks.

rastaman
08-02-2009, 08:27 AM
Breaking news : Moss has decided to retire from Football because he wants to have a sex chance operation. Moss is such a little girl.

Come on Dude, what if it turns out Moss has a bi-polar mental type illness. It would seem like he needs therapy and some sort of medication. Unless you have actually played at the NFL level and been apart of Broncos training camp, off-season, pre-season, and regular seasons over the last 3 years you can't really honestly desparage Moss.....can you.

Elway777
08-02-2009, 08:50 AM
Come on Dude, what if it turns out Moss has a bi-polar mental type illness. It would seem like he needs therapy and some sort of medication. Unless you have actually played at the NFL level and been apart of Broncos training camp, off-season, pre-season, and regular seasons over the last 3 years you can't really honestly desparage Moss.....can you. Yes I can

azbroncfan
08-02-2009, 08:54 AM
Think you might want to have some proof one way or another before you try to call out the so called Moss defenders? That's akin to going to a gunfight and showing up unarmed.

Uhh, real easy. He's a player changing schemes and a position he's never played on the 2nd day of training camp. I mean really, are you shocked by that? ???

Guess what, so is everyone else. Your just a classic excuse maker you probably do the same thing with issues in your life too. Tell us again why you are right and everyone else is wrong and make some more excuses for a guy that hasn't made it in the NFL. He has so much talent it should be easier for him to make the transition right since he was projected as an OLB in a 3-4 coming out of college.

listopencil
08-02-2009, 09:04 AM
I wonder how Kris Jenkins is feeling right now? Healthy? Strong?

~Crash~
08-02-2009, 09:06 AM
so far he is thinking ... lighten the **** up

~Crash~
08-02-2009, 09:08 AM
I wonder how Kris Jenkins is feeling right now? Healthy? Strong?

that would help that is for sure but Powell and Thomas is my real hope of players stepping up.

BroncoDoug
08-02-2009, 10:17 AM
@JosinaAnderson (http://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson)Marcus Thomas just told the media that he talked to Jarvis Moss, and as of now Moss says he'll be back tomm.

Anaximines
08-02-2009, 10:21 AM
@JosinaAnderson (http://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson)Marcus Thomas just told the media that he talked to Jarvis Moss, and as of now Moss says he'll be back tomm.

Woohoo! I'm really pulling for him

Requiem
08-02-2009, 10:39 AM
Well, he's getting cut Ana. You'll have to cheer for him when he goes back to Denton and plays some pick-up football.

Anaximines
08-02-2009, 10:46 AM
Well, he's getting cut Ana. You'll have to cheer for him when he goes back to Denton and plays some pick-up football.

I'll be there! :thumbsup:

s0phr0syne
08-02-2009, 11:16 AM
How about 3rd round picks?


My bad, yeah, Paymah was a 3rd round pick.

Foxworth was compensatory 3rd, which in my mind means he wasn't considered good enough for the 32 picks of the 3rd round, ie he's 4th round material.


Still, I think my point stands that they've both performed as well if not better than their draft status. I am actually very curious to see how Paymah fares in Minn and how Foxworth's smarts will play out in the aggressive Raven defense.

DHallblows
08-02-2009, 11:41 AM
Wait, did I miss something? Has something official come out yet?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

THANK GOD!
An article comes out with two unnamed sources saying he'll retire when, so far, he's just been out of a practice because of personal issues and suddenly he's already retired?! I love rampant speculation!
Christ, people...

Cito Pelon
08-02-2009, 11:52 AM
Moss has to make up his mind he actually wants to play. When he first came into the NFL I figured he'd be a middle of the road guy that would play for 10 years like a Kenard Lang, Ekuban kind of guy. He still could, but he has to want to.

RMT
08-02-2009, 12:05 PM
here's a link verifying Moss' return on Monday, http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_12978786

BroncoDoug
08-02-2009, 12:05 PM
Even if he does come back he is going to have a hard time to make this team I have a feeling... He is going to have to work his @** off to be a factor, and it doesn't seem that he wants to do that.

Breaker
08-02-2009, 12:29 PM
To think we could have had Micheal Griffin, Jon Beason, or Dwayne Bowe in that draft instead of Moss. That makes me very very very sad.

telluride
08-02-2009, 12:38 PM
Sadly, Jarvis returning to the team is probably the worse scenario. If he simply quit, he'd have to pay some of his money back, giving the team more cash to play with immediately. As is, he'll linger to the first cuts or even longer, eating up a roster spot, having no impact, and collecting checks. When he does get cut -- and he will be cut -- he'll get to keep his money. I'd suspect his agent told him to get back in camp and just wait out the inevitable.

Florida_Bronco
08-02-2009, 12:51 PM
THANK GOD!
An article comes out with two unnamed sources saying he'll retire when, so far, he's just been out of a practice because of personal issues and suddenly he's already retired?! I love rampant speculation!
Christ, people...

Tell me about it!

MileHighMagic
08-02-2009, 02:17 PM
Sorry, some of us have lives and go out on the weekend, ya know?

Also, I'd hold off on running your mouth until we get something concrete instead of more yapping about secondhand knowledge from this Josina Anderson chick, who is hardly accurate.

Haha! You're still holding out hope on this guy? Priceless!

Yeah, all two minutes I spent in this thread means I did nothing all weekend but hang out on the Mane.

Florida_Bronco
08-02-2009, 02:39 PM
Haha! You're still holding out hope on this guy? Priceless! Why not? You feel I should turn my back on him because of unsubstantiated rumors acquired by secondhand knowledge from a reporter whose track record of accuracy is extremely spotty, all while the whole issue looks to be bunk now anyways?

Yeah, all two minutes I spent in this thread means I did nothing all weekend but hang out on the Mane. And I was not home all of Friday night and into late afternoon yesterday. Conversely, I haven't exactly seen you lining up to eat crow about Tim Crowder looking good in come, which actually comes from multiple variable sources.

MileHighMagic
08-02-2009, 02:50 PM
Why not? You feel I should turn my back on him because of unsubstantiated rumors acquired by secondhand knowledge from a reporter whose track record of accuracy is extremely spotty, all while the whole issue looks to be bunk now anyways?

And I was not home all of Friday night and into late afternoon yesterday. Conversely, I haven't exactly seen you lining up to eat crow about Tim Crowder looking good in come, which actually comes from multiple variable sources.

Dude, I know you're the president of the Jarvis Moss fanclub and all but it's time you get real about this bum. He doesn't have what it takes and it is brutally obvious to everyone but you.

The only thing I ever said about Crowder is that I wanted Ryan Kalil over him and everyone else in that round.

Florida_Bronco
08-02-2009, 03:02 PM
Dude, I know you're the president of the Jarvis Moss fanclub and all but it's time you get real about this bum. He doesn't have what it takes and it is brutally obvious to everyone but you. Yeah, it was real obvious when he was getting heavy rotation only a few weeks into his rookie season and again last year, even making some good plays despite playing in a 4 point stance in the most bastardized defensive scheme known to man. ::)

When they've played him, he's done about as well as can be expected and was hardly a liability.

I'm not sure what this "president of the Jarvis Moss fanclub" stuff is all about either. Moss was not the DE I had hoped for in the 1st round, but he's here now and unlike most I'm smart enough to see the horrible circumstances he's suffered from, including a team that has misused him and not given him any developmental coaching during the most crucial years of his career, yet he's given us maximum effort, been a good teammate and done everything we've asked of him thus far.

The only thing I ever said about Crowder is that I wanted Ryan Kalil over him or anyone else in that round. It's possible that I'm mistaken, but I do believe it was you who was basically wanting to throw Crowder on the trash heap right behind Moss. I believe "worthless" and "bum" were used to describe him as well.

But again, I could be mistaken.

Cito Pelon
08-02-2009, 03:47 PM
Even if he does come back he is going to have a hard time to make this team I have a feeling... He is going to have to work his @** off to be a factor, and it doesn't seem that he wants to do that.

Yup. Moss is not a scrub at all. If he dedicates himself he can have a good NFl career.

Orange_Beard
08-02-2009, 06:15 PM
I thought he retired after his college career.

~Crash~
08-02-2009, 07:42 PM
THANK GOD!
An article comes out with two unnamed sources saying he'll retire when, so far, he's just been out of a practice because of personal issues and suddenly he's already retired?! I love rampant speculation!
Christ, people...

I agree .

Jason in LA
08-03-2009, 07:31 AM
He's going to have to pay back about $3 million if he retires, so he's not going to do that. It's better for him to come back and get cut and then retire than to retire now. I think I'd go to training camp for a few weeks to save $3 million.

Bigdawg26
08-03-2009, 07:56 AM
I gotta come clean. Like Florida Bronco I was a huge Jarvis Moss fan when we selected him. I thought he had the size, speed, and skill set to be a killer DE in this league. He was tearing it up his rookie camp until he was injured and then he kinda stopped. It sucked that he was injuried in practice which cause him his rookie season. Then in his second year he had some good pressures on the QB but never quite really got there. I'm still a fan, but the dude has got to step it up. He has Tim Crowder (who I wasn't a big fan of.. coming up), Dummervil (who I think will excel in the 3-4), Reid (who I dunno why he is a considered a starting OLB??), and Ayers (who I dunno how this project is going to work in the 3-4) all stepping up. I think its a sh!t or get off the pot year for him. I think he has the potential to be the best of all of them but its on him to be the best. All he really needs is heart and you can't teach that.

lex
08-03-2009, 08:10 AM
I gotta come clean. Like Florida Bronco I was a huge Jarvis Moss fan when we selected him. I thought he had the size, speed, and skill set to be a killer DE in this league. He was tearing it up his rookie camp until he was injured and then he kinda stopped. It sucked that he was injuried in practice which cause him his rookie season. Then in his second year he had some good pressures on the QB but never quite really got there. I'm still a fan, but the dude has got to step it up. He has Tim Crowder (who I wasn't a big fan of.. coming up), Dummervil (who I think will excel in the 3-4), Reid (who I dunno why he is a considered a starting OLB??), and Ayers (who I dunno how this project is going to work in the 3-4) all stepping up. I think its a **** or get off the pot year for him. I think he has the potential to be the best of all of them but its on him to be the best. All he really needs is heart and you can't teach that.

What defensive lineman has thrived in Denver over the past couple of years? Really? Its not as if Moss was the only guy they took with a high draft pick. Crowder was also taken in the 2nd and until now, he hasnt really done a lot either. Crowder should have allowed them to hedge their bets on Moss, but sadly, whether its scheme or coaching or both, pretty much all DL have been relatively ineffective.

Lets not forget that apparently the reason the Broncos moved up to draft Moss was because the Giants were targeting him. The Giants havent really been wrong that often when it has come to defensive linemen. But they also seem to have the better coaching and/or scheme to develop talent.

The defensive coaching/scheme is a shortcoming of the previous regime. We all know about it. It probably had a large hand in getting a hall of fame coach fired. And though, the current regime may bring an improvement on defense and defensive coaching, its unfortunate that Moss may be too far gone having been a casualty of the previous regime.

Maybe Moss would have been a dud if he was brought into a competent defensive setting like NY...but then again, maybe he would be a star by now. But the fact remains, he has shuffled around the past couple of years and has the scars to show for it.

Los Broncos
08-04-2009, 03:47 PM
Per text Moss has returned to practice.

DenverBrit
08-04-2009, 03:49 PM
Per text Moss has returned to practice.

Friend just called me to say that Sirius is also reporting him back in camp.

Los Broncos
08-04-2009, 03:50 PM
Friend just called me to say that Sirius is also reporting him back in camp.

Hopefully we find something for him to do, because he cant get to the QB.

azbroncfan
08-04-2009, 03:53 PM
I gotta come clean. Like Florida Bronco I was a huge Jarvis Moss fan when we selected him. I thought he had the size, speed, and skill set to be a killer DE in this league. He was tearing it up his rookie camp until he was injured and then he kinda stopped. .

I think we all were excited about him. Now that time has past I think most of us realize this is his last chance with this team and the outlook is dim. We aren't making excuses for him either. He is playing a position that was supposed to be where he would excel coming out of college and he can't beat out the guys in front of him. Florida used the excuse for him that it is his first time playing the position but it is also Crowder's, Reid's and Elvis's too. Looks like I'll have to eat crow on Crowder because I thought he would be a camp casualty and I didn't think he could play OLB in the 3-4 but I'm glad he is doing well there.

TheDave
08-04-2009, 03:57 PM
Unfortunately, like others have said... this is probably just a psuedo cash run so that he doesn't have to pay back his bonus money.

Oh well...

DenverBrit
08-04-2009, 03:58 PM
Unfortunately, like others have said... this is probably just a psuedo cash run so that he doesn't have to pay back his bonus money.

Oh well...

It's difficult to imagine otherwise.

footstepsfrom#27
08-04-2009, 04:02 PM
LOL ...I missed this "news" the first time around...funny to watch this thread's hysterics over a rumor.

broncosteven
08-04-2009, 04:17 PM
I wonder if Nick Eason gave Jarvis a call and told him to go back...

Cito Pelon
08-04-2009, 04:25 PM
He's going to have to pay back about $3 million if he retires, so he's not going to do that. It's better for him to come back and get cut and then retire than to retire now. I think I'd go to training camp for a few weeks to save $3 million.

He has some kind of depression problem. Someone pointed that out above. I think that's the problem.

elsid13
08-04-2009, 04:33 PM
I wonder if Nick Eason gave Jarvis a call and told him to go back...

Eason has Superbowl ring and 6 year career. Hopefully Moss would reach his level.

Cito Pelon
08-04-2009, 04:46 PM
Eason has Superbowl ring and 6 year career. Hopefully Moss would reach his level.

Yup, and Moss should be on the Broncs when he does an Eason. Moss is not a scrub. He should have a decent career, depends on if he wants to.

Rickity
08-04-2009, 04:55 PM
Moss should be fined for this crap. Just because your high round draft pick and playing with the third string is no reason pout. He really needs to suck it up and play like the coaches want him to.

footstepsfrom#27
08-07-2009, 01:39 PM
Why not? You feel I should turn my back on him because of unsubstantiated rumors acquired by secondhand knowledge from a reporter whose track record of accuracy is extremely spotty, all while the whole issue looks to be bunk now anyways?
I've seen this sentiment in here several times about Anderson, but I'm not sure this is rooted in fact. What other stories has Anderson done that proved to be false later? Also...she quotes an unnamed source on the team, which is where a lot of reports come from, but does that mean that she made this up?

I say all this believing that Moss is largely a victim of two things; unrealistic expectations for a guy we knew arrived here as a project in the first place, and second, an injury his rookie year. Add his issues with gaining weight and we've got a recipe for fan discontent.

Denver was not the only team that had this guy rated where he was taken. Trading up for him adds to the discontent people have, but none of that was his fault. In any case, it's clear that McDaniels excused his absence and seems fine with it, so if we're going by the coaches opinion...the only one who really knows why Moss was absent...what's the problem?

Florida_Bronco
08-07-2009, 01:44 PM
I've seen this sentiment in here several times about Anderson, but I'm not sure this is rooted in fact. What other stories has Anderson done that proved to be false later? Also...she quotes an unnamed source on the team, which is where a lot of reports come from, but does that mean that she made this up? I'd have to go back and start digging through the threads to see all the things she's been wrong on, but there have been many.

And again, I have nothing personal against her. I don't think she's trying to intentionally mislead us or anything, I just think she has a really bad habit of trying to use gossip as news. I said it earlier, but I think she wants to be the next Adam Schefter but she just doesn't have the sources that he does.

I say all this believing that Moss is largely a victim of two things; unrealistic expectations for a guy we knew arrived here as a project in the first place, and second, an injury his rookie year. Add his issues with gaining weight and we've got a recipe for fan discontent.

Denver was not the only team that had this guy rated where he was taken. Trading up for him adds to the discontent people have, but none of that was his fault. In any case, it's clear that McDaniels excused his absence and seems fine with it, so if we're going by the coaches opinion...the only one who really knows why Moss was absent...what's the problem? Good post. :thumbsup:

footstepsfrom#27
08-07-2009, 02:00 PM
I'd have to go back and start digging through the threads to see all the things she's been wrong on, but there have been many.

And again, I have nothing personal against her. I don't think she's trying to intentionally mislead us or anything, I just think she has a really bad habit of trying to use gossip as news. I said it earlier, but I think she wants to be the next Adam Schefter but she just doesn't have the sources that he does.
I'd like to see those things posted. I don't claim to follow her reports much, but I've seen this posted on her several times and as far as I can recall, I haven't seen anyone post the actual stories she broke that proved untrue. I don't think it's fair to indict her unless evidence suggests we should do so. As far as that goes, unless she just made it up...which seems unlikely, I don't think we can call speaking to a team source "gossip". Gossip is what we do on here...wild speculation based on no real sources or factual evidence.

Jay3
08-04-2010, 04:04 PM
I hope he does well and contributes, but I think he's a bust. I just don't see a guy being that bad for that long. It would have emerged by now if he had it in him.

Anaximines
08-04-2010, 04:13 PM
Nice! Thanks for digging this old gem back up. I'm still hoping he shows some fire, he was a project after all although of course he's WAY behind schedule. Hoping there's something to this (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15671804) DP article although I'm finding it a bit hard to continue to cheer for him too much at this point.