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Kaylore
07-31-2009, 11:05 AM
Given the radically different nature of the entire practice, I want to focus more on general differences between how practice is run now versus how Shanahan ran things. We of course will do the usual player report, but I think the differing drills and whatnot will be of interest. Let me also say that with general enthusiasm for the team way down, as well as practice being held on the field closest to the fans, this is a great time to attend camp yourself. Often the fans had a better view of the action than we did as we were relegated to defensive drills and the quarterbacks and scrimmaging was held on the far field with media much more limited than before. That said, let’s get this thing going.

I told Oskie that if had to describe the practice in a brief statement I would use the term “situational football.” Every practice and drill was highlighting a situation that the coaches tried to recreate to help the players not just learn their skill but have context to the drills.
Those who attended know that the first major factor of the practices was they pumped music into the warm up periods. The team captains are allowed to select the playlists of their choice. I personally enjoyed u2’s “Where the streets have no name” but there was a pretty good variety. Practices were also full pads and full contact for almost all of the drills. There is clearly and emphasis on toughening up this team.

Another major change is under Shanahan the team took about two minutes to stretch. This year the entire warm up period took almost fifteen minutes. They started by having the entire team jog, high step and do other movement exercises back and forth half the field to loosen them up. Then the stretching commenced with the offense facing toward the defense. The actual stretching was much longer as well. I remind you that the team frequently led the league in soft tissue injuries under Shanahan. I don’t know if this will help, but I certainly made keeping the players limber a priority.

Rather than breaking into individual units and working on general skills, the players were separated out into situational drills throughout the practice. Linebackers spent a lot of time working with the defensive linemen on their gaps and drop backs. Mediator will be thrilled to hear the defensive line is finally working on get-off-the-ball drills. They spent a good 12 minutes on those drills alone. I was able to stand five feet from defensive line coach Wayne Nunnely as he worked with this unit. They spent time watching the ball and attacking the sled. Nolan came over and personally saw the drills of the defensive line on the big sled. During this period Everette Pedescleux (pronounced Petis-clow) drew high praise for staying low and exploding out of his stance, while Javon Parker was taught to keep his legs wider so his head didn’t slouch down. There was a big push for increased tenacity and effort. Several coach’s were yelling “Come on! Hit him!” and the players began to increase their intensity.

The front seven in general had some standouts, the first being Tim Crowder. Let me just say that I thought the idea of Crowder at linebacker to be disinformation at best and a joke at worst. Not only is Crowder light on his feet, but he is explosive out of his stance. He looks completely comfortable at the position. I was able to talk to Crowder after the practice and I’ll post the audio from that in a little bit. Suffice to say he is a pleasant surprise.

The other positive on the front seven is Andra Davis. He plays very physically and does a good job fighting through traffic. Dumervil is playing the joker role particularly on passing downs. There were a few plays where they had him and whoever was the DE on the play stunt inside. They would also drop him back into coverage on a number of plays as well.

LongDongJohnson
07-31-2009, 11:08 AM
i demand it, now!!

theAPAOps5
07-31-2009, 11:09 AM
such a tease

broncofan2438
07-31-2009, 11:11 AM
How long do we have to hang?

tnedator
07-31-2009, 11:13 AM
Geez, this is like ordering a hotel room pay per view, and then getting a system error message.

broncosteven
07-31-2009, 11:14 AM
I am thinking of puppies getting beaten

Dukes
07-31-2009, 11:14 AM
Geez, this is like ordering a hotel room pay per view, and then getting a system error message.

I'd say these reports are better than porn.

Beantown Bronco
07-31-2009, 11:20 AM
I'd say these reports are better than porn.

You're watching the wrong kind of porn.

tnedator
07-31-2009, 11:20 AM
I'd say these reports are better than porn.

I agree, but with both of them, when you get the teaser promo and then ________ , it's frustrating. lol

bfoflcommish
07-31-2009, 11:20 AM
I'd say these reports are better than porn.


it's close

Dr. Broncenstein
07-31-2009, 11:23 AM
http://www.mysticmedusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/ceiling_cat.jpg

Ceiling cat is watching everyone in this thread.... and is amused..

Dukes
07-31-2009, 11:23 AM
You're watching the wrong kind of porn.

Enlighten me.........

Los Broncos
07-31-2009, 11:27 AM
This thread is funny.

s0phr0syne
07-31-2009, 11:29 AM
to tide the masses: http://blog.denverbroncos.com/denverbroncos/training-camp-day-1-am-blog/

Dukes
07-31-2009, 11:40 AM
to tide the masses: http://blog.denverbroncos.com/denverbroncos/training-camp-day-1-am-blog/

That dudes got nothing on Khan!

SoDak Bronco
07-31-2009, 11:41 AM
Thanks Kaylore and Oskie, we look forward to heraing your reports

no-pseudo-fan
07-31-2009, 11:50 AM
Awesome. Ayers and Moreno need to get in.

Kaylore
07-31-2009, 11:56 AM
They spent a lot of time working with the linebackers in their dropbacks and the corners and safeties with bracketing receivers. The starting secondary is (sans Bailey at this time) Goodman, Smith, Dawkins and surprisingly Darcel McBath, who looked pretty good for a rookie on his first day in front of fans. The entire secondary is taught to play physical. “Cheating” is kind of encouraged. Not real cheating but they taught them how to hold receivers or push them around without drawing a foul. They taught the defensive line how to guess when the ball was snapped to get off the ball quicker. Many coaches say that’s a no-no. But you can see an increased emphasis on doing little things to help your team win.

At QB Orton has the best feet and is the most accurate. He looks very smooth in his drop back and his throws are the most consistently accurate. He had a nice loft to Marshall down field that was perfectly placed had not Marshall dropped it. Marshall in general looked like he was running half assed. He made several catches with one hand, one particularly impressive, but he should be using two. All the QB’s were not as accurate as I remember Cutler. Simms has a really good arm but his footwork can get sloppy and his throws are high. All the QB’s when they missed were a little behind the receiver. I attribute this to it being the first day. Remember that the offense is always slower at getting into rhythm than the defense.

They really like that McKinley kid. They moved him around a lot and he even practiced with the defensive backs. He has incredible quicks and great speed. I felt his route adjustment was excellent for a rookie. I have concerns about his durability. Stokley still looks good and he makes it look easy when he’s out there, but the surprise receiver was Gaffney. I don’t know if it was familiarity in the system but he made several nice catches and found it pretty easy to get open.

Kern is the superior punter to Colquitt. Colquitt is too inconsistent and his punts have a weird spin on them. I have personal concerns that Mike Priefer’s relationship with Britton’s brother will bias him against Kern, but we’ll have to see. Prater looked good except for Alphonso blocking a kick. Smith is just a playmaker.

missingnumber7
07-31-2009, 11:58 AM
As usual, kaylore provides amazing info...keep it coming man.

Broncoman13
07-31-2009, 12:02 PM
Sorry folks, I'll get my report in in segments as I'm having a little difficulty posting...

Here's the first segment:

Defense:

Base 3-4 Defense:

DL- McBean, Fields, Peterson
LBs- Reid, Davis, Williams, Dumervil
Secondary- Goodman, McBath, Dawkings, Williams/Bell (for Champ)

The 50 front was the main focus of this starting unit and I suspect that Ayers will be in the spot occupied by Doom. I’d also add that while Reid looks very athletic, don’t be surprised to see Tim Crowder make a push soon. We spoke with him after practice and he is excited for the opportunity to show off his athleticism. His weight is down (258) and he looked, at least to me, to be the most athletic of all the LBs. Quite impressive and it made sense when I heard afterword that his weight was down. Keep in mind, this is a guy that ran in the 4.5s during his UT days. I wish I could say the same thing for Jarvis Moss. His morning was unremarkable and if I had to rate him between a 1 and 10 it would be sub 5… too bad, maybe he will pick it up tonight?

There was a lot of focus on individual drills. I watched attentively and was able to overhear a lot of the instruction coming from our new coaching staff. To say the least, we have a different atmosphere in Dove Valley. Not to say that our coaching in the past wasn’t good (maybe I am saying that), but what I saw today was truly uplifting. Coaches Donatell, Martindale, and Nunnely bring a dynamic to this staff that I haven’t seen in recent history. Focus is placed on the “small things”, things that most players have already, but it still needs to be nurtured. Three immediate examples that come to mind are:

- Coach Donatell started the DBs off with a slow paced backpedal. Followed by picking up the pace and then adding “stems” to the back pedal. A dynamic exercise but followed by the coaching inputs of, “This is what we are going to do in this defense. We’ll be close to the line and then start off in our back pedal and stem as need be.” Then they worked on the side steps and flipping their hips to run in coverage. Same philosophy with similar coaching inputs on how they will apply the activity during gameplay. Obviously the DBs are already familiar with this and it is pretty much second nature to them, but it’s also something that we rarely worked on in the past. And, as good as Slowik was with the secondary, the coaching inputs were more in terms of position and alignment than proper footwork and technique.
- The next example is with Coach Martindale. I talked to a fewof the players after practice and they all enjoy our new LBs coach. He ran a lot of tackling drills, one of which featured a LB holding a large blocking pad and running parallel with a large pad to cushion their falls to the ground. One LB would run slowly alongside the pad with the blocking pad for protection while the other LB would explode into him, wrap, and drive him into the soft pad. Coach Martindale would yell instructions such as, “Hit him like you mean it”, “Don’t be a *****”, and “No launching, we’re driving through with our legs.” At one point toward the beginning of the drill one of the LB’s said, “I don’t want to hurt him.” Coach Martindale yelled, “he has a big ass pad and a pillow to fall on, you ain’t gonna hurt him!” Then a player asked, should I try to shield myself with the pad or just let him hit me… Coach Martindale said, “Uh yeah that would be smart to probably protect yourself don’t you think.” By the end of the drill (lasted about 3 or 4 minutes) the players were really tackling hard and driving their fellow LBs into the pad, and the guy getting tackled would jump up laughing. Players enjoyed it and it was good to see our team focus on good fundamental football!!
- The last example was with Coach Nunnely. He would have the DL engage with one and other. Not the hand fight crap we saw in years past but actually engaged and locked into a block. He then would focus on the different techniques to disengage and get to the trashcan-QB. Again, the theme was how this would apply on the field within our defense. He put the linemen in several different positions and would give them a lot of instruction after each rep. Generally reminding the players of their responsibilities, whether they be containment or otherwise.
As you’ve probably already gathered, each phase and example focuses on something that we were poor in last year and year’s past. If anything was apparent today, it was that our coaching staff has identified our weaknesses and are taking steps to correct those weaknesses. The organization of our practice was incredible and you would think these guys have done this for years it worked so fluidly.

Another new twist to Coach McDaniels’ pratice is the running segment board. Each segment is slotted and each coach has a practice plan that identifies the intended product of the segment. I didn’t get to see the practice plans, but I would guess they identified each of the weaknesses and the desired outputs are based on improving those weaknesses. Several of the segments were quick. Two minutes and some even less. Some were considerably longer. For example, the punt protection segment lasted about 12 minutes. To say the least, I was impressed with the organization. And, I was somewhat impressed that a 33 year old coach could run things as fluidly as he did. I was excited to see him in action and I can tell you without a doubt, He Belongs! Now obviously that doesn’t mean we are going to see instant results, but after seeing what I saw today, I would be somewhat surprised (and bummed) if we didn’t see a different type of football team that was much improved.


Here are some more of the individuals that stood out to me today.

-Brian Dawkins- Dude’s enthusiasm is contagious. He brings it and you can tell he is having fun. In between plays you can see him working on his back pedal and then a quick reaction forward with a dig step. I didn’t get to see much of him in the 11 on 11s, but I don’t think there is reason to worry about him in this defense. He doesn’t look slow and concerns about his coverage should be put on hold until (if) he shows reason for concern.
-Alphonso Smith had some really good coverage today. He was in position to make plays and for his first practice as a pro, he didn’t hurt himself at all. I expect that right now his head is still kind of swimming. When he settles in and can stop thinking and worrying about every play and what the coaches are thinking, he will be even better. He and Eddie Royal fielded punts and both did pretty well though I did see Smith shank at least one. He also worked on the short punting game and trapping the ball down inside the 10. Working on that unit were Josh Barrett, Jack Williams, David Bruton, along with Alphonso Smith.
-David Bruton- I can remember going to camp last year and being impressed with the size of Josh Barrett. JB is listed at 6’2 225. Bruton is listed at 6’2 211. Bruton “looks” about 10 lbs heavier and an inch or two taller than JB!!. Very similar builds too. Bruton worked a lot as the gunner and was putting on a clinic on beating the double team. He will help this team immediately but whether he helps us on defense is questionable at best right now. Still, with Hill, McBath, JB, and Dawkins… anything we get from Bruton will be a bonus.

Natedogg
07-31-2009, 12:05 PM
Finally football time!!!!!!

Three questions:

First: Did this "practice intensity boost" occur when Crennell, Mangini, and (we shall see) Pioli took over the Browns, Jets, and Chiefs? If so, why didn't it work.

Second: Why did the Broncos always seem to have the Pat's number? (with the glaring exception of last year.)

Third: So you guys get to watch from a different spot than "fans?" You you have some type of credentials?

Awesome reports. Cool to see different perspectives from Khan/Oskie's, Motros, and Mile High Report's reports. ie. MHR says the d line still looks weak.

Kaylore
07-31-2009, 12:07 PM
Overall the experience was positive. The coaches are teachers that teach situational football. One of my favorite drills was the receivers against the safeties. The receivers run the ball cradled and have to make the safety miss by juking or doing whatever. This is great open-field practice forgetting (or eliminating) yards after the catch. I remember when Marshall was matched up on Josh Barrett he just kind of flung his arm and almost knocked him off his feet. Marshall is so big it's almost pathetic seeing some of these DB's try and take him down.

The big surprise was Torain. He really impressed. He was explosive in traffic and elusive in space. He was garnering several cheers. Hillis took the majority of his reps in short yardage situations where they would run Iso plays and he'd average about 3-4 yards.

Nolan puts a big emphasis on gap-integrity. He was constantly in people's ears about being where they needed to be and sticking with their assignment. The players really like their staff and I have a few audio quotes that you guys will like including: Tom Crowder, Chris Simms, Eddie Royal, DJ Williams, and an Orangemane exclusive with Spencer Larsen!

bfoflcommish
07-31-2009, 12:08 PM
They spent a lot of time working with the linebackers in their dropbacks and the corners and safeties with bracketing receivers. The starting secondary is (sans Bailey at this time) Goodman, Smith, Dawkins and surprisingly Darcel McBath, who looked pretty good for a rookie on his first day in front of fans. The entire secondary is taught to play physical. “Cheating” is kind of encouraged. Not real cheating but they taught them how to hold receivers or push them around without drawing a foul. They taught the defensive line how to guess when the ball was snapped to get off the ball quicker. Many coaches say that’s a no-no. But you can see an increased emphasis on doing little things to help your team win.

At QB Orton has the best feet and is the most accurate. He looks very smooth in his drop back and his throws are the most consistently accurate. He had a nice loft to Marshall down field that was perfectly placed had not Marshall dropped it. Marshall in general looked like he was running half assed. He made several catches with one hand, one particularly impressive, but he should be using two. All the QB’s were not as accurate as I remember Cutler. Simms has a really good arm but his footwork can get sloppy and his throws are high. All the QB’s when they missed were a little behind the receiver. I attribute this to it being the first day. Remember that the offense is always slower at getting into rhythm than the defense.

They really like that McKinley kid. They moved him around a lot and he even practiced with the defensive backs. He has incredible quicks and great speed. I felt his route adjustment was excellent for a rookie. I have concerns about his durability. Stokley still looks good and he makes it look easy when he’s out there, but the surprise receiver was Gaffney. I don’t know if it was familiarity in the system but he made several nice catches and found it pretty easy to get open.

Kern is the superior punter to Colquitt. Colquitt is too inconsistent and his punts have a weird spin on them. I have personal concerns that Mike Priefer’s relationship with Britton’s brother will bias him against Kern, but we’ll have to see. Prater looked good except for Alphonso blocking a kick. Smith is just a playmaker.


marshall dropped a pass??? never!

Broncoman13
07-31-2009, 12:11 PM
Tim Crowder- Exceptional athlete. As I mentioned earlier he looked good in the drills they ran focusing the LBs on their change of direction. He also looked great in the drills dropping back into coverage. I spoke with Charlie Casserly for a few minutes and he seemed to agree that Tim has potential at LB. I was able to watch him a bit during 11 on 11s as well and he looked good. He is big enough to play a physical style of defense and he wasn't afraid to use that in the few plays I was watching him. While he wasn't in on any tackles that I saw, I did see him collapse a play allowing one of the Inside LBs to move in and make a would be tackle for a loss. Keep an eye on Crowder. We talked with him a bit after practice and he is excited. He said the coaches have gave him a new lease on his career. "They don't know me and I don't know them so we're starting from scratch", is what the coaches told him. Some of the notes I have on 96 are as follows: "Awesome feet"; "Good hands catching the ball"; "Surprising lateral quickness"; "Looks good" One practice is all it is, but he showed enough to give me hope for the former Horn.
-DJ Williams- DJ is very athletic and he was praised by coach Martindale consistently. I'd like to ask Coach Martindale how DJ compares to another physical freak, Thomas Howard. I think it was b/c of Martindale's coaching that Howard always tore us up and physically they seem to be very similar. During the tackling drills you could hear Coach Martindale pointing out DJs tackles and yelling, "That's how you do it."

SonOfLe-loLang
07-31-2009, 12:11 PM
Overall the experience was positive. The coaches are teachers that teach situational football. One of my favorite drills was the receivers against the safeties. The receivers run the ball cradled and have to make the safety miss by juking or doing whatever. This is great open-field practice forgetting (or eliminating) yards after the catch. I remember when Marshall was matched up on Josh Barrett he just kind of flung his arm and almost knocked him off his feet. Marshall is so big it's almost pathetic seeing some of these DB's try and take him down.

The big surprise was Torain. He really impressed. He was explosive in traffic and elusive in space. He was garnering several cheers. Hillis took the majority of his reps in short yardage situations where they would run Iso plays and he'd average about 3-4 yards.

Nolan puts a big emphasis on gap-integrity. He was constantly in people's ears about being where they needed to be and sticking with their assignment. The players really like their staff and I have a few audio quotes that you guys will like including: Tom Crowder, Chris Simms, Eddie Royal, DJ Williams, and an Orangemane exclusive with Spencer Larsen!

Can you elaborate on your Orton thoughts. The guy in the other thread (MOntrose was it?) said he looked fantastic, but your reaction seems to be a little less enthusiastic

Punisher
07-31-2009, 12:14 PM
How was the fans?Was anyone calling McD out at one point?

Broncoman13
07-31-2009, 12:15 PM
The big surprise was Torain. He really impressed. He was explosive in traffic and elusive in space. He was garnering several cheers. Hillis took the majority of his reps in short yardage situations where they would run Iso plays and he'd average about 3-4 yards.
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Ryan Torain is going to give the coaching staff fits trying to figure out who sticks on this team. I have a feeling that he could end up in Houston if he doesn't make this team. One thing is certain, that kid can play. He makes good reads and then has some very nice cuts in the secondary. He made a few safeties look silly today. I think most would probably tell you that he had the best day running the ball of all the backs. When Chris Simms was asked about the RBs after practice he said it was the best group he's ever been around. GOOD NEWS ;)

Kaylore
07-31-2009, 12:16 PM
How was the fans?Was anyone calling McD out at one point?

24 Champ and Raj are the guys to ask. They sat in the fan section so they would be able to say.

TheReverend
07-31-2009, 12:16 PM
Awesome reports guys. Very detailed as well. Loving the news on McBath.

Traveler
07-31-2009, 12:16 PM
Ryan Torain is going to give the coaching staff fits trying to figure out who sticks on this team. I have a feeling that he could end up in Houston if he doesn't make this team. One thing is certain, that kid can play. He makes good reads and then has some very nice cuts in the secondary. He made a few safeties look silly today. I think most would probably tell you that he had the best day running the ball of all the backs. When Chris Simms was asked about the RBs after practice he said it was the best group he's ever been around. GOOD NEWS ;)

Hopefully he can make Jordan expendable.

Broncomutt
07-31-2009, 12:18 PM
Before Shanny got the axe, I was calling for his head because I thought he'd grown stale and the team had grown soft. Mentally and physically. I felt we needed new blood to pump new life into this team.

All the training camp reports I've read make it sound like this is all finally happening.

It's only the first day, I know I know. I'm usually a pessimist, but I can't help but feel very optimistic about our current direction.

Thanks Kaylore, Montrose and OSKIE!

Best off-season ever!

Broncoman13
07-31-2009, 12:20 PM
How was the fans?Was anyone calling McD out at one point?

No not at all.

I could hear a few fans yelling for Brandon Marshall. Applauding him more than anything, "We love you" type of cheers. Brandon Marshall made a one handed catch about 15 yards down field while going over the middle. The Orton pass was slightly behind him, but he could have easily caught it with two hands though he would have had to reach back and change direction. Anyhow, that drew applause and "oohs and ahhs" from the crowd. My personal opinion, it was a half-assed effort that turned out well for him.

I also saw Brandon as he first walked out of the locker room. He was smiling and teasing someone (couldn't see who as whoever it was wasn't in sight)saying, the first TD I score I'm coming to see you." When he walked outside and a camera crew walked up to him he mumbled something about the camera and then got serious and quit smiling. I'm struggling to get a good read on his thoughts. Sometimes I think with a big pay day he would be happy and not have issues. Sometimes I think he just wants out and even a big pay day wouldn't make him happy here. I hope it's the former b/c he will get a payday with his ability.

theAPAOps5
07-31-2009, 12:22 PM
Hey guys any view or opinion on Carlton Powell or did I miss them?

Punisher
07-31-2009, 12:29 PM
No not at all.

I could hear a few fans yelling for Brandon Marshall. Applauding him more than anything, "We love you" type of cheers. Brandon Marshall made a one handed catch about 15 yards down field while going over the middle. The Orton pass was slightly behind him, but he could have easily caught it with two hands though he would have had to reach back and change direction. Anyhow, that drew applause and "oohs and ahhs" from the crowd. My personal opinion, it was a half-assed effort that turned out well for him.

I also saw Brandon as he first walked out of the locker room. He was smiling and teasing someone (couldn't see who as whoever it was wasn't in sight)saying, the first TD I score I'm coming to see you." When he walked outside and a camera crew walked up to him he mumbled something about the camera and then got serious and quit smiling. I'm struggling to get a good read on his thoughts. Sometimes I think with a big pay day he would be happy and not have issues. Sometimes I think he just wants out and even a big pay day wouldn't make him happy here. I hope it's the former b/c he will get a payday with his ability.

Thanks :thumbsup:

Hey guys any view or opinion on Carlton Powell or did I miss them?

Yea wassup with Powell did he had a lot of reps at NT?

Kaylore
07-31-2009, 12:29 PM
Can you elaborate on your Orton thoughts. The guy in the other thread (MOntrose was it?) said he looked fantastic, but your reaction seems to be a little less enthusiastic

He looks solid, but it was the first day and timing needs to be improved. He is fluid and very smart at LOS. Right now it's his job to lose. I'm tempering my enthusiasm because I want to see him play against a defense that didn't finish dead last in pass defense last year.

broncosteven
07-31-2009, 12:31 PM
Is Larsen playing at FB and LB?

Broncoman13
07-31-2009, 12:35 PM
Can you elaborate on your Orton thoughts. The guy in the other thread (MOntrose was it?) said he looked fantastic, but your reaction seems to be a little less enthusiastic

I watched Kyle Orton a good little bit as well as Chris Simms. Here is a quick analysis and only based on one practice.

Orton- Has beautiful touch on his passes. He threw the deep ball well on one occasion that I happened to be watching him. Perfect loft and dropped it right into the hands of Brandon Marshall 40-50 yards down field... Brandon dropped it, but the pass was perfect. His velocity isn't great. He's certainly not going to be confused with John Elway, but he has a strong enough arm to sneak some throws in there from time to time. He threaded the needle on a few occasions including one when BDawk jumped the route on Marshall (Marshall did make that catch). His feet are good and on the few bootleg/waggle type plays he did well throwing on the run. His release is average though he did show the ability to speed it up when he had to, as was the case with the pass play to Marshall that Dawkins almost got. Accuracy is good and it looks like he has a pretty firm grasp on the offense already, though I'm sure they've only put a small part of it in. The downside of his game today was during the basic drills. He threw behind or high a lot and didn't look all that great. During 11 on 11s his game got better. Perhaps he's just a gamer???

24champ
07-31-2009, 12:36 PM
How was the fans?Was anyone calling McD out at one point?

Fans were great, everyone was excited and cheering Marshall on.

I think McDaniels might win some people over pretty quick. I even think Socal will like McDaniels a little more than he does now. :giggle:

Broncoman13
07-31-2009, 12:37 PM
Hey guys any view or opinion on Carlton Powell or did I miss them?

Nothing special from what I could see. He was lining up at NT for the 2nd team. Ron Fields need not worry about footsteps at this point. Our DL is still a weak point but Fields is serviceable and Peterson can play. The trash can took McBean out on one play:spit:

Kaylore
07-31-2009, 12:40 PM
The biggest thing I took away from today is that this team doesn't look like a bad football team. They look like they can play at least average.

Broncoman13
07-31-2009, 12:42 PM
Fans were great, everyone was excited and cheering Marshall on.

I think McDaniels might win some people over pretty quick. I even think Socal will like McDaniels a little more than he does now. :giggle:

I have no doubt that SoCal is going to like how these practices are ran. The play selection was fun as well. Peyton Hillis ran in motion and lined up wide along the sideline by the fans. He ended up running a fly route down the sideline and while the ball didn't go his way, I have no doubt we'll see that play during the season and I would put my money on Hillis making the play. He has great hands as most of us already have seen. Fun and exciting player.

WABronco
07-31-2009, 12:43 PM
The biggest thing I took away from today is that this team doesn't look like a bad football team. They look like they can play at least average.

Truer words were never spoken.....in almost all training camps. Save the Patriots and Colts, who looked awful.

HEAV
07-31-2009, 12:43 PM
Great job guys!

Club Med is dead! It's about football now!

Traveler
07-31-2009, 12:43 PM
The biggest thing I took away from today is that this team doesn't look like a bad football team. They look like they can play at least average.

I know it only one practice, but what do you guys see as our biggest "glaring" need or concern you noticed?

Broncoman13
07-31-2009, 12:45 PM
Is Larsen playing at FB and LB?

Yes and he is an incredibly likable guy. He compared LB and FB due to the physical nature of each position and feels much more comfortable in year two. The challenges of a late round pick were highlighted during Khan's interview with him. BTW, kudos to Khan for grabbing Spencer and taking the opportunity to ask him some good questions.

TheReverend
07-31-2009, 12:45 PM
The biggest thing I took away from today is that this team doesn't look like a bad football team. They look like they can play at least average.

How uplifting....

Haroldthebarrel
07-31-2009, 12:47 PM
how does this team look compared to the last three seasons with Shanahan?
I know it is hard to say with new systems and being the first practice and all, but I dont think it is a bad question.

tnedator
07-31-2009, 12:47 PM
I have no doubt that SoCal is going to like how these practices are ran. The play selection was fun as well. Peyton Hillis ran in motion and lined up wide along the sideline by the fans. He ended up running a fly route down the sideline and while the ball didn't go his way, I have no doubt we'll see that play during the season and I would put my money on Hillis making the play. He has great hands as most of us already have seen. Fun and exciting player.

Did Hillis line up at FB, or was he just lined up at RB and running routes?

DomCasual
07-31-2009, 12:47 PM
- Coach Donatell started the DBs off with a slow paced backpedal. Followed by picking up the pace and then adding “stems” to the back pedal. A dynamic exercise but followed by the coaching inputs of, “This is what we are going to do in this defense. We’ll be close to the line and then start off in our back pedal and stem as need be.” Then they worked on the side steps and flipping their hips to run in coverage. Same philosophy with similar coaching inputs on how they will apply the activity during gameplay. Obviously the DBs are already familiar with this and it is pretty much second nature to them, but it’s also something that we rarely worked on in the past. And, as good as Slowik was with the secondary, the coaching inputs were more in terms of position and alignment than proper footwork and technique.

Crap! So, they didn't do the line-up-15-yards-off-the-LOS-then-flail-at-the-ten-yard-out drill?

Kaylore
07-31-2009, 12:48 PM
I forgot to mention that all three guys that are on PUP failed their fitness test and won't practice until they can pass it, including Bailey.

Los Broncos
07-31-2009, 12:49 PM
24 Champ and Raj are the guys to ask. They sat in the fan section so they would be able to say.

How did Clady look?

Broncoman13
07-31-2009, 12:50 PM
I know it only one practice, but what do you guys see as our biggest "glaring" need or concern you noticed?

For me it is probably LDE. McBean doesn't look like he's going to cut it.

I didn't get to see much of the rookies (Rulon "Jones" Davis ;D or Pedescleaux) so I don't know if there is a lot of hope there. I did see good things from Baker though so there is some hope. Maybe Powell can slide over to the end? The DL is still a weakness on this team. I'm encouraged that some good coaching can help cover up some of that, but in the long run this defense will struggle until we get some more talented guys on the DL. Fortunately we have some good LBs and the secondary is shaping up nicely as well.

DenverBrit
07-31-2009, 12:51 PM
Kaylore, Oskie. great reports..Thanks!! :thumbsup:

2KBack
07-31-2009, 12:51 PM
I forgot to mention that all three guys that are on PUP failed their fitness test and won't practice until they can pass it, including Bailey.

I am very curious about this "fitness test." I've never heard of a team doing something like that before. I wonder what it entails.

Dr. Broncenstein
07-31-2009, 12:51 PM
I forgot to mention that all three guys that are on PUP failed their fitness test and won't practice until they can pass it, including Bailey.

So Champ couldn't manually derail a train, and then eat it piece by piece?

Kaylore
07-31-2009, 12:51 PM
Be ready for a lot of screens.

Houshyamama
07-31-2009, 12:51 PM
The downside of his game today was during the basic drills. He threw behind or high a lot and didn't look all that great. During 11 on 11s his game got better. Perhaps he's just a gamer???
That's what you want in a QB for sure.

Broncoman13
07-31-2009, 12:52 PM
How did Clady look?

Horrible. The guy will be lucky to keep his job ;) In all honesty, I didn't focus on him much at all. There was one play (a run to the three hole between the LT and LG) where Clady let Doom go outside but instead of running him out wide he let Doom cherry pick the play... looked like a poor effort from Clady rather than getting beat. I really don't have any worries when it comes to Ryan Clady.

BMarsh615
07-31-2009, 12:53 PM
For me it is probably LDE. McBean doesn't look like he's going to cut it.

I didn't get to see much of the rookies (Rulon "Jones" Davis ;D or Pedescleaux) so I don't know if there is a lot of hope there. I did see good things from Baker though so there is some hope. Maybe Powell can slide over to the end? The DL is still a weakness on this team. I'm encouraged that some good coaching can help cover up some of that, but in the long run this defense will struggle until we get some more talented guys on the DL. Fortunately we have some good LBs and the secondary is shaping up nicely as well.

McBean was just filling in for Marcus Thomas. Hopefully he passes that conditioning test.:thumbs:

Traveler
07-31-2009, 12:53 PM
I am very curious about this "fitness test." I've never heard of a team doing something like that before. I wonder what it entails.

I like it! As long as the players being being challenged, they are better off for it in the long run IMO.

outdoor_miner
07-31-2009, 12:53 PM
Just wanted to say "thanks" to you both for these reports. These will be the highlight of my day for the next couple weeks. You guys are awesome.

BroncoMan4ever
07-31-2009, 12:54 PM
how did Doom look? i think he has the most upside of the DE turned LB group, but no one has said anything about his 1st day.

also, Crowder has dropped a lot of weight wasn't he playing last season at around 275-280?

Los Broncos
07-31-2009, 12:54 PM
Horrible. The guy will be lucky to keep his job ;) In all honesty, I didn't focus on him much at all. There was one play (a run to the three hole between the LT and LG) where Clady let Doom go outside but instead of running him out wide he let Doom cherry pick the play... looked like a poor effort from Clady rather than getting beat. I really don't have any worries when it comes to Ryan Clady.

Thanks buddy.

2KBack
07-31-2009, 12:57 PM
I like it! As long as the players being being challenged, they are better off for it in the long run IMO.

I agree. I actually appreciate that McD requires a certain level of conditioning just to be on the field. It's an interesting way to set the standard bar that much higher. Especially interesting if Champ failed it.

Broncoman13
07-31-2009, 12:57 PM
Be ready for a lot of screens.

Yeah buddy!!! Like we discussed in practice it was always somewhat surprising that Shanny didn't run more screens. With our smaller more athletic line you would think that would've been a big part of his offense. I love me some screens though and with the talent we have on offense, the screens are going to be huge for us... People are in for a treat with this offense. The running game is going to be good and with players like Royal, Marshall, Hillis, Moreno, and Scheffler creating matchup problems all over the field... it's going to be a fun unit to watch. Plus the screens will help to reduce the pass rush, I think this offense has a ton of potential.

Also, the focus on STs was obvious. The Shanny led Broncos would work on the STs every other practice and it was never more than 10 or 15 minutes. All in all, I'd guess they worked on some aspect of special teams the entire practice!

broncosteven
07-31-2009, 12:57 PM
Yes and he is an incredibly likable guy. He compared LB and FB due to the physical nature of each position and feels much more comfortable in year two. The challenges of a late round pick were highlighted during Khan's interview with him. BTW, kudos to Khan for grabbing Spencer and taking the opportunity to ask him some good questions.

Are you guys posting the Audio from these interviews somewhere or just transcribing?

Greybeard
07-31-2009, 01:08 PM
Ryan Torain is going to give the coaching staff fits trying to figure out who sticks on this team. I have a feeling that he could end up in Houston if he doesn't make this team. One thing is certain, that kid can play. He makes good reads and then has some very nice cuts in the secondary. He made a few safeties look silly today. I think most would probably tell you that he had the best day running the ball of all the backs. When Chris Simms was asked about the RBs after practice he said it was the best group he's ever been around. GOOD NEWS ;)

And Moreno isn't even there yet . . .

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dbfan21
07-31-2009, 01:09 PM
Be ready for a lot of screens.

Good. I have felt for years that this was one of the most poorly executed offesnive plays for the Broncos...and underutilized as well. There were several times I thought a well-timed screen pass could net 6-7 yards on first down and really make achieving another first down so much easier. Shanny was just never good at orchestrating them....

24champ
07-31-2009, 01:10 PM
Hey Oskie and Kahn, were you guys just relegated to the big giant tent?

Broncoman13
07-31-2009, 01:11 PM
McBean was just filling in for Marcus Thomas. Hopefully he passes that conditioning test.:thumbs:

Actually McBean has been the #1 since the OTAs. He is listed #1 on the depth chart. I hope that Marcus Thomas beats him out too, but he has an up hill battle.

Greybeard
07-31-2009, 01:13 PM
He looks solid, but it was the first day and timing needs to be improved. He is fluid and very smart at LOS. Right now it's his job to lose. I'm tempering my enthusiasm because I want to see him play against a defense that didn't finish dead last in pass defense last year.

You're watching it, aren't you? This isn't last year's defense, is it? I mean, with
new scheme, new coaches, new players, other players in new positions . . .
well, you're there, and I'm not, but I can't help but to think that last year's
"defense" is no reflection whatsoever on this one . . .

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elsid13
07-31-2009, 01:14 PM
So were did Larson play today?

Broncoman13
07-31-2009, 01:18 PM
Hey Oskie and Kahn, were you guys just relegated to the big giant tent?

We were able to roam everywhere except between the two south fields. Run into a lot of people out there. Jim Armstrong, Mike Klis, Alfred Williams, Charlie Casserly, Cecil Lammey, and numerous others.

Btw, Rock Chalk, I just looked and no receivers from H-Town... Highschool or College. The only player we have rep'n is CB DJ Johnson who is from just south of you in Lamarque. Tim Crowder is from Tyler, Tx. Then we have McBean and Jarvis Moss that are from the Dallas area. I think McBath is from Texas as well.

Broncoman13
07-31-2009, 01:20 PM
So were did Larson play today?

Still playing both ways. Little FB and a little LB. I guess he blew up Ryan Torain at one point standing him up on contact. Dude doesn't look like he can thump you, but few on this team are as violent as Spencer Larsen. I knew it when we drafted him though having watched him and being a fan of his in college. He made a name for himself in my book when he put the smack down on Jonathan Stewart play after play after play.

ZONA
07-31-2009, 01:28 PM
Yes Yes Yes - finally some real action to talk about instead of all this hypothetical talk about what's going to happen. Thanks to you guys for your reports, it will surely help us get through this camp phase as we now long for gametime action.

Hogan11
07-31-2009, 01:35 PM
“Cheating” is kind of encouraged.

Ahh, the Patriot Way is manifesting on the very first day! :rofl:

Seriously, thanks guys....the yearly camp reports have officially begun and all is right with the world.

Tombstone RJ
07-31-2009, 01:38 PM
Thanks for the report guys, its refreshing to get this kind of input, keep up the good work.

NYBronco
07-31-2009, 02:01 PM
I agree. I actually appreciate that McD requires a certain level of conditioning just to be on the field. It's an interesting way to set the standard bar that much higher. Especially interesting if Champ failed it.

It sends a message to the prima donnas and no I'm not saying Champ is a prima donna. I like the technique, the team is what is most important.

Requiem
07-31-2009, 02:02 PM
All Tim needed was good coaching and an honest shot. I told you this guy would make bitches eat lunch.

Broncoman13
07-31-2009, 02:15 PM
He still has a ways to go Req, but I think if he keeps up what he showed today... they aren't going to have a choice but to play him. We're going to end up with problems trying to figure out where to play all these LBs. Darrell Reid looks quite fluid as well. He is a good athlete for a big LB and considering how well TC did today, he didn't do enough to unseat Reid who had a good practice himself.

Rock Chalk
07-31-2009, 02:15 PM
We were able to roam everywhere except between the two south fields. Run into a lot of people out there. Jim Armstrong, Mike Klis, Alfred Williams, Charlie Casserly, Cecil Lammey, and numerous others.

Btw, Rock Chalk, I just looked and no receivers from H-Town... Highschool or College. The only player we have rep'n is CB DJ Johnson who is from just south of you in Lamarque. Tim Crowder is from Tyler, Tx. Then we have McBean and Jarvis Moss that are from the Dallas area. I think McBath is from Texas as well.

My cousin was wrong then. I thought he said it was Swift was from Houston.

Doenst matter, they are Broncos (for the time being) now :)

Broncoman13
07-31-2009, 02:17 PM
Nope, college ball in Nebraska... HS ball somewhere up north. North Dakota maybe?

Requiem
07-31-2009, 02:19 PM
He still has a ways to go Req, but I think if he keeps up what he showed today... they aren't going to have a choice but to play him. We're going to end up with problems trying to figure out where to play all these LBs. Darrell Reid looks quite fluid as well. He is a good athlete for a big LB and considering how well TC did today, he didn't do enough to unseat Reid who had a good practice himself.

Well, to hear he's doing well is quite encouraging. We need role players too. Thanks to all you guys for the great work. It'll keep me sane with the relatives visiting this weekend.

Rock Chalk
07-31-2009, 02:23 PM
Hey ALex, I cant go tonight or tomorrow, Im smoking a brisket, but I think Im going to SUnday's practices and Monday's morning practice and Tuesday afternoon. After taht its a crapshoot.

Popps
07-31-2009, 02:30 PM
They really like that McKinley kid. They moved him around a lot and he even practiced with the defensive backs. He has incredible quicks and great speed. I felt his route adjustment was excellent for a rookie. I have concerns about his durability. .


Sweet! That's my upset pick for 09 Fan favorite!

Great job with all of this, Kaylore. I look forward to reading these things every year. Honestly, this stuff is the highlight of the off-season. Excellent work.

Los Broncos
07-31-2009, 02:33 PM
Thank guys for the report, good job.

Rock Chalk
07-31-2009, 02:34 PM
Sweet! That's my upset pick for 09 Fan favorite!

Great job with all of this, Kaylore. I look forward to reading these things every year. Honestly, this stuff is the highlight of the off-season. Excellent work.

I watched McKinley a bit Popps. IF he isnt just a training camp all star he is going to be a great WR for us.

I think he runs routes more crisp than even Eddie Royal and does not bobble the ball on any pass. It hits his hands and sticks.

I was impressed.

Kaylore
07-31-2009, 02:35 PM
You're watching it, aren't you? This isn't last year's defense, is it? I mean, with
new scheme, new coaches, new players, other players in new positions . . .
well, you're there, and I'm not, but I can't help but to think that last year's
"defense" is no reflection whatsoever on this one . . .

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Yes I am watching it but its tough to say. The D-line looks better and the secondary looks decent but could that be the offense needing to catch up or the defense improving? It's likely a little of both.

If both units are garbage or both units are awesome the result would be the same, correct? We won't know what this team looks like until we see them play another team and even then we won't know until the official season starts. Until then I report what I see but always with the caveat that without another team to go by we're not sure how things will look on game day.

theAPAOps5
07-31-2009, 02:37 PM
I love how people want an evaluation and definitive answer after one practice. Its going to take a lot more to get a feel. FYI McDaniels said he wasn't pleased with the practice!

Broncoman13
07-31-2009, 02:38 PM
Outstanding first day performers:

Alphonso Smith. Kid is playing everywhere. He'll be a starting CB soon enough, but besides that he is on every ST unit out there. Gunner, return man, blocking kicks on the FG unit. Dude had a heck of a first day. For those of you worrying about that draft pick... maybe not such a bad deal for us after all and I was B****ing loud of my displeasure after the pick. Mauluga, Brace, WHO? Alphonso Smith is making me into a believer... QUICKLY.

Ryan Torain- He's not even 100% yet. I hope he continues to improve. It will give the coaches fits trying to figure out who to keep on this team, but the bottom line is he can help us win. I fear we won't have room for him, but he'll play in the NFL. A possible scenario, he performs well and we ship him to Houston for an upgrade at the DL. Long ways off, but if he gets considerable playing time in the pre-season that could be an option. Houston would love to have a bigger back to compliment the smallish Steve Slaton.

Jabar Gaffney- The coach on the field. Very good first day and he made a lot of catches during the 11 on 11s and most of them were down field. Didn't see any of the quick screens going his way. He runs precise routes and his hands are as solid as any receiver on the team.

Tim Crowder- Position drills were the primer for a good display of skill in 11 on 11 work. Didn't make a lot of plays, but played the good teammate role well giving it up so that another player could make the play. I'd love to see our staff's notes on his first practice b/c to me, he stood out.

Kyle Orton- While he started off rusty and then began practice with a fumbled snap, he got into a groove quickly and was seldom off target. He doesn't have the arm strength of Chris Simms, but he makes up for it with anticipation and a beautiful touch. Not sure I'm ready to call him the next Tom Brady yet, but I'm not overly concerned with the QB position at this point.

Coach McDaniels- If this is what we have to look forward to, I'M BUYING! There really is no wonder that the players and staff alike are falling in line with his plan. He has control out there. He made his rounds and eventually came over by the DL and monitored their progress. Didn't see as much hands on as I expected, rather more of a supervisory approach ensuring that things were operating as he expected. After practice he drew a crowd and I didn't get to hear much of what he was saying.

Brandon Marshall- Even half assing it and giving less than 100%, he is the best player on the field. The difference in Brandon from two years ago and today is that he knows he belongs. He has the ability to be the best in the league. He still suffers from the occasional drop, but there isn't a guy in the league that can handle him one on one. I hope we get things ironed out with him b/c his potential is still through the roof. In this system, he honestly has 1500/15TD potential.

tnedator
07-31-2009, 02:40 PM
I love how people want an evaluation and definitive answer after one practice. Its going to take a lot more to get a feel. FYI McDaniels said he wasn't pleased with the practice!

It's been a long, up and down, offseason. We need definitive statements about how this will be a big, bad playoff contending team. ;)

Broncoman13
07-31-2009, 02:41 PM
I love how people want an evaluation and definitive answer after one practice. Its going to take a lot more to get a feel. FYI McDaniels said he wasn't pleased with the practice!

I love it... his expectations are high. The practice was good when comparing to what we are accustomed to and that doesn't meet his expectations? I think this is a good sign.

theAPAOps5
07-31-2009, 02:46 PM
I love it... his expectations are high. The practice was good when comparing to what we are accustomed to and that doesn't meet his expectations? I think this is a good sign.

I agree! ^5

Popps
07-31-2009, 02:57 PM
Another new twist to Coach McDaniels’ pratice is the running segment board. Each segment is slotted and each coach has a practice plan that identifies the intended product of the segment. I didn’t get to see the practice plans, but I would guess they identified each of the weaknesses and the desired outputs are based on improving those weaknesses. Several of the segments were quick. Two minutes and some even less. Some were considerably longer. For example, the punt protection segment lasted about 12 minutes. To say the least, I was impressed with the organization. And, I was somewhat impressed that a 33 year old coach could run things as fluidly as he did. I was excited to see him in action and I can tell you without a doubt, He Belongs! Now obviously that doesn’t mean we are going to see instant results, but after seeing what I saw today, I would be somewhat surprised (and bummed) if we didn’t see a different type of football team that was much improved.


Phenomenal.


This is what I've been trying to say all off-season. Bowlen and Co. basically said they saw this from the first time they sat down with him.

Like him or not, he's a football robot. The guy exists to do this, and he's got a freakish focus.

Broncoman13
07-31-2009, 03:08 PM
btw, I knew I was going to enjoy the practice when I heard the speakers blasting a heavy metal version of "In the Air Tonight". I talked to Daniel Graham afterward and he said he'd have them playing some "old school rap" before long.

Popps
07-31-2009, 03:11 PM
Hopefully he can make Jordan expendable.

I'm not sure why people want to make Jordan expendable. He played well in NE, he was loved in NY but left for starter's $. He knows McD's system and is a bruising runner/blocker and can catch the ball.

People are going to think of this guy much differently a few games into the season. Bank on it.

Archer81
07-31-2009, 03:13 PM
I'm not sure why people want to make Jordan expendable. He played well in NE, he was loved in NY but left for starter's $. He knows McD's system and is a bruising runner/blocker and can catch the ball.

People are going to think of this guy much differently a few games into the season. Bank on it.


If he makes the roster. Lot of backs in front of him.


:Broncos:

Popps
07-31-2009, 03:17 PM
For me it is probably LDE. McBean doesn't look like he's going to cut it.


One of the biggest surprises to me is that Thomas hasn't been looked at as a DE. Seems like such a perfect fit for him.

Then again, apparently the guy can't sprint in a straight line or some ****. So, he can't even practice.

lex
07-31-2009, 03:17 PM
If he makes the roster. Lot of backs in front of him.


:Broncos:


Jordan has less of a durability concern than Torain. And Torain doesnt make as much. Maybe it makes more sense to deal Torain, depending on what we can get.

fido
07-31-2009, 03:18 PM
Many thanks to you guys for the reporting, uplifting for sure. Football is definately in the air. kudos.

Archer81
07-31-2009, 03:18 PM
Jordan has less of a durability concern than Torain. And Torain doesnt make as much. Maybe it makes more sense to deal Torain, depending on what we can get.


Depending on how camp and preseason go, it will probably come down to who is more versatile. Whoever is, stays.

:Broncos:

24champ
07-31-2009, 03:19 PM
btw, I knew I was going to enjoy the practice when I heard the speakers blasting a heavy metal version of "In the Air Tonight". I talked to Daniel Graham afterward and he said he'd have them playing some "old school rap" before long.

I got out of my car, and heard music blaring like there was a concert going on in the field.:rofl:

tsiguy96
07-31-2009, 03:21 PM
Phenomenal.


This is what I've been trying to say all off-season. Bowlen and Co. basically said they saw this from the first time they sat down with him.

Like him or not, he's a football robot. The guy exists to do this, and he's got a freakish focus.

you think all the morons would have listened to us when we said "wait and see" isntead of throwing temper tantrums.

ghwk
07-31-2009, 03:23 PM
Hey ALex, I cant go tonight or tomorrow, Im smoking a brisket, but I think Im going to SUnday's practices and Monday's morning practice and Tuesday afternoon. After taht its a crapshoot.

Is that what they call "it" now? Smoking a brisket? I'll have to try it out...

Rohirrim
07-31-2009, 03:31 PM
To Oskie and Khan :notworthy

This is like wandering through the desert and finding an oasis.

This thing about stretching really perked up my ears. I've been saying this for years. Michael Jordan said much of his durability was due to his stretching program. Tiger Woods picked up on it from Jordan. This will pay big dividends.

The only thing that worries me is there is no report on big Matt McChesney. I thought he be working in the first string by now. ;D

And one more point, if I may. I noticed you called one player Jack Williams. You might want to rephrase that. ;D

Hulamau
07-31-2009, 03:32 PM
Good stuff guys .. keep it comin'!!!

DeuceOfClub
07-31-2009, 03:54 PM
Much appreciated

Popps
07-31-2009, 04:47 PM
If he makes the roster. Lot of backs in front of him.


:Broncos:

I don't think so.

Moreno will obviously be a hopeful starter, but he's a rookie... so we'll see. Buckhalter will be a 3rd down back. That really leaves Hillis and Jordan as bruiser/goal line/3rd down types... and either could line up at fullback.

Again, maybe it's because he was a Raider at one point, but I think people are underestimating the reasons McDaniels brought him in. He worked all last season with him, and if there was any reason to think he was just camp fodder, McD would have known it and probably wouldn't have messed with him.

bowtown
07-31-2009, 05:00 PM
I just finished the thread. I think I need a cigarette and a new pair of boxers.

Memento
07-31-2009, 06:49 PM
i just finished the thread. I think i need a cigarette and a new pair of boxers.

Hilarious!

SoCalBronco
07-31-2009, 06:56 PM
Excellent reads Khan and Oskie! Sounds like it was a very exciting and positive day.

Can't wait to get out there with you guys.

Sounds like it will be a blast.

LongDongJohnson
07-31-2009, 07:17 PM
what usually happens during the pm practices? i forgot what we did last year.

tsiguy96
07-31-2009, 07:22 PM
Excellent reads Khan and Oskie! Sounds like it was a very exciting and positive day.

Can't wait to get out there with you guys.

Sounds like it will be a blast.

but the whole offseason has been a disaster and theres no chance at winning this year :(

shoulda known everyone switches sides the day football starts.

Drek
07-31-2009, 07:28 PM
Jordan has less of a durability concern than Torain. And Torain doesnt make as much. Maybe it makes more sense to deal Torain, depending on what we can get.

A conditional 7th?

Because teams don't offer more than that for a oft-injured player who hasn't seen more than a quarter of real NFL action, no matter how good their pre-season might be.

McDaniels will determine how many roster spots he can afford to spend at RB, he'll then weed out who stays and who goes on who best helps the team win games on Sundays. If after that the less useful guys have some market potential, then maybe see if you can get some sort of return on them.

I'm of the opinion that we have Moreno and Hillis basically locked in with Jordan v. Torain as one positional battle and Buckhalter v. Walker as another. Obviously we're coming in to camp with Jordan and Buckhalter as the established vets who get to lead from the start, but if either one of them starts getting shown up their chances of making this roster go down hill VERY rapidly.

I don't think Buckhalter needs to worry about his job, because if he can't fend of Walker he'll have a hard time staying in the league period. Jordan though? He's facing a legit threat in a healthy Torain. Better start spending more time after practice working on those receiving routes and working the JUGS machine LaMont, because the young guy can run hard too, if you don't have another dimension it'll be all too easy for him to steal the roster spot.

SoCalBronco
07-31-2009, 07:32 PM
but the whole offseason has been a disaster and theres no chance at winning this year :(

shoulda known everyone switches sides the day football starts.

I'm not "switching sides", whatever that means. I still think it will be a poor season, but I'm excited to see some Bronco football, nonetheless.

Lighten up, francis.

oubronco
07-31-2009, 07:34 PM
I can't wait to see what Torain can do

tnedator
07-31-2009, 07:36 PM
A conditional 7th?

Because teams don't offer more than that for a oft-injured player who hasn't seen more than a quarter of real NFL action, no matter how good their pre-season might be.


Yea, some of these guys seem to think that this is Madden franchise mode, where every player you don't want can be traded for a first rounder or a superstar.

Rock Chalk
07-31-2009, 07:36 PM
I don't think so.

Moreno will obviously be a hopeful starter, but he's a rookie... so we'll see. Buckhalter will be a 3rd down back. That really leaves Hillis and Jordan as bruiser/goal line/3rd down types... and either could line up at fullback.

Again, maybe it's because he was a Raider at one point, but I think people are underestimating the reasons McDaniels brought him in. He worked all last season with him, and if there was any reason to think he was just camp fodder, McD would have known it and probably wouldn't have messed with him.

Pretty sure Lamont Jordan isnt even in Peyton's league.

Buckhalter can be more than a 3rd down back, he's got explosiveness, shiftiness, can catch and isnt one of those Bell types to get arm tackled.

I believe I primary backs come season's start with be Buckhalter, Torain (if healthy), Hillis and Moreno (in no particular order).

Requiem
07-31-2009, 07:56 PM
Yea, some of these guys seem to think that this is Madden franchise mode, where every player you don't want can be traded for a first rounder or a superstar.

I think Lex was just saying with the number of talented backs we seem to have that could do well here, that there might be the possibility that someone like Torain could be trade bait if any team was in need of back for the season.

I don't see Torain being traded, nor do I see any of our backs being traded for pick value, but Lex wasn't stating that we'd trade such a player for a first rounder or a superstar.

Heck, who the Hell thought Dallas would have gave us a sixth for Charlie Adams out of the blue? (Still pissed that bastard failed his physical.)

Stranger things have happened.

DarkHorse
07-31-2009, 08:00 PM
I'm still not sold on Torain, can't remember ever liking the guy for some reason. Just something about his style that I dislike.

Requiem
07-31-2009, 08:04 PM
I'm still not sold on Torain, can't remember ever liking the guy for some reason. Just something about his style that I dislike.

Lisfranc injury in college, broken elbow in training camp, tears his ACL two quarters into his professional night debut in the NFL. Besides the "Torain Train" namedrops, what is there to like about this guy? Seriously. He played for the Sun Devils. He can take his buddy Josh Barrett with him too. Garbage.

Requiem
07-31-2009, 08:05 PM
I'm not "switching sides", whatever that means.

Yeah, but you've always been a switch hitter and willing to take one for the team. *baseball ass slap*

cutthemdown
07-31-2009, 08:10 PM
To Oskie and Khan :notworthy

This is like wandering through the desert and finding an oasis.

This thing about stretching really perked up my ears. I've been saying this for years. Michael Jordan said much of his durability was due to his stretching program. Tiger Woods picked up on it from Jordan. This will pay big dividends.

The only thing that worries me is there is no report on big Matt McChesney. I thought he be working in the first string by now. ;D

And one more point, if I may. I noticed you called one player Jack Williams. You might want to rephrase that. ;D


A guy I know, who is in really good shape and works as a trainer, preaches that stretching after you have worked out is even more important then before. Me I pop a hammy just watching other people stretch.

Requiem
07-31-2009, 08:13 PM
Me I pop a hammy just watching other people stretch.

How big does your hammy get? Three, four inches?

Broncoman13
07-31-2009, 09:36 PM
Excellent reads Khan and Oskie! Sounds like it was a very exciting and positive day.

Can't wait to get out there with you guys.

Sounds like it will be a blast.

Sunday morning buddy!!! Can't wait. Should be a nice and intense practice with them only going through one tomorrow. Looking forward to seeing you.

ScottXray
07-31-2009, 09:45 PM
Thanks for the reports , Oskie and Khan!

Sounds like there are some changes at Dove valley that have been overdue for quite a while.

Wish I could be there, but barring that these camp repors are like manna from heaven.

Thanks again, aand keep it up!

Greybeard
07-31-2009, 10:02 PM
Yes I am watching it but its tough to say. The D-line looks better and the secondary looks decent but could that be the offense needing to catch up or the defense improving? It's likely a little of both.

If both units are garbage or both units are awesome the result would be the same, correct? We won't know what this team looks like until we see them play another team and even then we won't know until the official season starts. Until then I report what I see but always with the caveat that without another team to go by we're not sure how things will look on game day.

I didn't mean to sound smart alec with my comment, Khan. You said, "I want
to see him play against a defense that didn't finish dead last in pass defense
last year." What I meant was that it seems to me you are watching an
entirely different defense than last year's. Nothing more than that.

I don't know how the secondary could not have undergone a dramatic upgrade.
The defensive line is bigger, as are the LBs, and I have seen positive comments
about the LBs from you and others.

You're right, of course, in that we just don't yet know, but I just don't know
how the defense would not be considerably better.

Yes, and thanks for your reports. Really good stuff . . . :thumbs:

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watermock
07-31-2009, 11:20 PM
http://blog.feefifoto.com/images/2008/02/13/lombardi_trophy.jpg.

Atwater His Ass
08-01-2009, 12:28 AM
The problem with Torain will be if he still runs like he has a board stuffed down the back of his jersey. You can't run so high up like that in the NFL.

Nice to see some football again, but I won't be convinced any of this change is for the better unless I seer results on Sunday.

I still don't think the defense will stand a chance.

cutthemdown
08-01-2009, 01:25 AM
The problem with Torain will be if he still runs like he has a board stuffed down the back of his jersey. You can't run so high up like that in the NFL.

Nice to see some football again, but I won't be convinced any of this change is for the better unless I seer results on Sunday.

I still don't think the defense will stand a chance.

Well some runners have but you have to special in your ability to avoid hits under your pads.

I just didn't get to watch him enough to see how agile he is at the point of contact as far as not getting hit clean.

Marcus Allen had sort of an upright style, Dickerson also. I just don't know that Torrain has the type of special ability those runners did.

If his plan is to run hard and let defender hit him under his shoulder pads in his midsection, then yeah man he wont last long. You get killed in the NFL letting people have shots at your gut, at your legs.

FireFly
08-01-2009, 04:24 AM
I just want to add my thanks to those of the other. Great job. Year in year out this is the highlight of the offseason. :thumbs:

oubronco
08-01-2009, 05:54 AM
The problem with Torain will be if he still runs like he has a board stuffed down the back of his jersey. You can't run so high up like that in the NFL.
Nice to see some football again, but I won't be convinced any of this change is for the better unless I seer results on Sunday.

I still don't think the defense will stand a chance.

Dickerson would suggest otherwise

Whiskyteer
08-01-2009, 06:06 AM
Reports much appreciated. Great stuff guys.

kmonty
08-01-2009, 06:08 AM
Met Oskie and Ops Friday, looking forward to today's practice. Interesting you guys say Marshall half-assed morning workouts, I didn't see anything like that. Good stuff though, always good to read what others see and are reporting, different takes and such. :thumbs:

kent156
08-01-2009, 06:13 AM
With regards to the dline are they getting blown off the ball or holding the gaps so the linebackers and secondary can make plays?

Broncoman13
08-01-2009, 06:49 AM
Met Oskie and Ops Friday, looking forward to today's practice. Interesting you guys say Marshall half-assed morning workouts, I didn't see anything like that. Good stuff though, always good to read what others see and are reporting, different takes and such. :thumbs:

Probably b/c Brandon Marshall without even trying is better than 90% of the WR's in the league. In drills he bounced a couple balls off of his hands and it was easy to see that he didn't give a strong effort. Even the catch that drew all of the cheers was a lazy one-handed grab. Kyle Orton commented on it saying that not only do our receivers make him look good, they make him look bad sometimes catching balls that are close with one hand, making the catch look tougher than it is. Of course he said it jokingly, but it was clear that the one handed catch by Marshall could have been caught with two hands without much effort. Had he dropped that ball, a lot more people would be talking about the half-assing it out there. First day of camp so I'm not concerned. Very encouraged to see him having fun, high fiving the fans on the sideline and giving footballs away to kids wearing #15 jerseys.

Broncoman13
08-01-2009, 06:51 AM
With regards to the dline are they getting blown off the ball or holding the gaps so the linebackers and secondary can make plays?

There were a lot of running plays down the middle that gave up some yardage. Anything that went outside was well defended, so we are flowing to the ball pretty well but not clogging the middle yet. Fields looks like he's doing a pretty good job. Chris Baker looks surprisingly good. Carlton Powell will draw the double team and he's done. Hard to tell after one practice, lets give it some time to say for sure.