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tsiguy96
07-29-2009, 08:16 AM
about vick:
"We always evaluate every player, but we're not bringing him in right now and we're content with the guys we have coming to camp," said McDaniels. The coach's comments indicate a willingness to consider Vick down the line, but he would need to enter camp "right now" if he's going to nail down the offense.

hopefully the mcd haters hate him even more now.

Archer81
07-29-2009, 08:20 AM
Please no for the love of God...


:Broncos:

TonyR
07-29-2009, 08:23 AM
Here's the current "anti-Vick" list.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/28/the-anti-vick-list/

DBroncos4life
07-29-2009, 08:25 AM
Yes Vick is the way to win fans over. Hilarious!

BMarsh615
07-29-2009, 08:26 AM
If Michael Vick is as good as he was back in Atlanta I wouldn't mind having him. He wouldn't cost a lot of money, and his teams always had a winning record. Atlanta didn't have much besides Vick when he was there.

But I highly doubt he is as explosive as he used to be, and never was very accurate.

SonOfLe-loLang
07-29-2009, 08:28 AM
I have no interest in him as a QB, but he's an incredible athlete, so there are ways to use him

DBroncos4life
07-29-2009, 08:29 AM
I'm sure it would be pretty easy to spin that Vick is a better person then Cutler. Just write up a few he is a awesome tipper threads and everyone will forget about the dog killings and just say hey he was just young.

Archer81
07-29-2009, 08:34 AM
If Michael Vick is as good as he was back in Atlanta I wouldn't mind having him. He wouldn't cost a lot of money, and his teams always had a winning record. Atlanta didn't have much besides Vick when he was there.

But I highly doubt he is explosive as he used to be, and never was very accurate.


Passing Stats
YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT
2001 ATL 8 50 113 44.2 785 6.9 2 52 3 62.7
2002 ATL 15 231 421 54.9 2936 7.0 16 74 8 81.6
2003 ATL 5 50 100 50.0 585 5.9 4 49 3 69.0
2004 ATL 15 181 321 56.4 2313 7.2 14 62 12 78.1
2005 ATL 15 214 387 55.3 2412 6.2 15 58 13 73.1
2006 ATL 16 204 388 52.6 2474 6.4 20 55 13 75.7
Career 74 930 1730 53.8 11505 6.7 71 74 52 75.7

Rushing Stats
YEAR TEAM G ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2001 ATL 8 31 289 9.3 35 1 15 1 1
2002 ATL 15 113 777 6.9 46 8 44 5 4
2003 ATL 5 40 255 6.4 43 1 14 1 0
2004 ATL 15 120 902 7.5 58 3 49 3 0
2005 ATL 15 102 597 5.9 32 6 41 5 2
2006 ATL 16 123 1039 8.4 51 2 55 4 2
Career 74 529 3859 7.3 58 21 218 19 9

Receiving Stats
YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2001 ATL 8 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0
2002 ATL 15 0 16 0.0 16 0 1 0 0
2003 ATL 5 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0
2004 ATL 15 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0
2005 ATL 15 1 -14 -14.0 -14 0 0 0 0
2006 ATL 16 1 1 1.0 1 0 0 0 0
Career 74 2 3 1.5 16 0 1 0 0

Defense Stats
YEAR TEAM G TOT SOLO AST PD SACK FF REC INT YDS TD
2004 ATL 15 1 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0
2005 ATL 15 3 3 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0
Career 30 4 4 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0

Scoring Stats
YEAR TEAM G RushTD RecTD RetTD TotTD 2PT PAT FG TotPT
2001 ATL 8 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 6
2002 ATL 15 8 0 0 8 0 0 0 48
2003 ATL 5 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 6
2004 ATL 15 3 0 0 3 0 0 0 18
2005 ATL 15 6 0 0 6 0 0 0 36
2006 ATL 16 2 0 0 2 0 0 0 12
Career 74 21 0 0 21 0 0 0 126


:Broncos:

Rabb
07-29-2009, 08:34 AM
my honest opinion is I may not like Vick as a person but if he helps out, bring him in

now that said, McDaniels is a moron if he wants more bad press in his first year by bringing that circus to town

montrose
07-29-2009, 08:35 AM
Wildcat!

DBroncos4life
07-29-2009, 08:38 AM
Wildcat!

Is there a under ground fighting circuit for that? ;)

Rulon Velvet Jones
07-29-2009, 08:39 AM
Please. Pretty much every other team is quoted as saying the same round-about thing about Vick. It's nothing.

lex
07-29-2009, 08:45 AM
No way. If they bring Vick in, that would mean all this emphasis on character the past few years was a bunch of crap. It would also mean not only does Pat not care about the fan base but he seems to want to say **** you to it...the same fanbase that helped make the franchise over a billion dollars even with a lot of it travelling greater distances than you see with many other teams.

tsiguy96
07-29-2009, 08:45 AM
Please. Pretty much every other team is quoted as saying the same round-about thing about Vick. It's nothing.

no, actually they arent. almost every other team is quoted as saying "NO!"

they were talking about this on the radio, the teams to look out for are those that give the politically correct "we evaluate anyone we think can help our team" etc etc

SouthStndJunkie
07-29-2009, 08:47 AM
no, actually they arent. almost every other team is quoted as saying "NO!"

they were talking about this on the radio, the teams to look out for are those that give the politically correct "we evaluate anyone we think can help our team" etc etc

McDaniels is just talking in Belispeak.

I would not read too much into it one way or the other.

CEH
07-29-2009, 08:50 AM
McDaniels is just talking in Belispeak.

I would not read too much into it one way or the other.

Correct

I think if you watch the interview on DB.com (Tues morning) he said the standard cliche . No way did I interput his answer as some kind an interest in Vick

broncofan7
07-29-2009, 08:50 AM
Vick is better than ORTON AND Simms! And plus McD didn't say 'NO!' :poke:

tsiguy96
07-29-2009, 08:54 AM
McDaniels is just talking in Belispeak.

I would not read too much into it one way or the other.

i agree. just posting this to try and piss of the nancies like lex who already seem to think we signed him.

lex
07-29-2009, 08:57 AM
i agree. just posting this to try and piss of the nancies like lex who already seem to think we signed him.

Actually, my bigger grievance is with Bowlen than McDaniels.

tsiguy96
07-29-2009, 08:58 AM
Actually, my bigger grievance is with Bowlen than McDaniels.

yea, the guy who sits in the back and makes literally no public presence, teh same way hes done it for 25 years, is the guy in the wrong. eat **** and die.

DBroncos4life
07-29-2009, 08:59 AM
Actually, my bigger grievance is with Bowlen than McDaniels.

Is that why you said Pat in your rant instead of McD?

BroncoInferno
07-29-2009, 09:00 AM
Wildcat!

precisely. vickwouldbe very dangerous in that role.

lex
07-29-2009, 09:02 AM
yea, the guy who sits in the back and makes literally no public presence, teh same way hes done it for 25 years, is the guy in the wrong. eat **** and die.

Like it or not, whatever has happened, Pat has allowed to happen, whether thats tolerating Shanahan too long or bringing in McDaniels and the resulting hijinx.

The fact that Bowlen gets such little scrutiny just goes to show how people have tailored their position to fall in line with "supporting" bowlens enterprise.

lex
07-29-2009, 09:02 AM
Is that why you said Pat in your rant instead of McD?


Perhaps. Which rant? In the other thread?

tsiguy96
07-29-2009, 09:04 AM
Like it or not, whatever has happened, Pat has allowed to happen, whether thats tolerating Shanahan too long or bringing in McDaniels and the resulting hijinx.

what has happened? if we win 10 games this year, has the end of the world come yet?

Gcver2ver3
07-29-2009, 09:05 AM
if coached properly...vick could add yet another element to our offense...

i'd be all for giving him a chance to learn the offense and be a back-up QB and possibly play a "slash" role on the team...

Irish Stout
07-29-2009, 09:06 AM
about vick:
"We always evaluate every player, but we're not bringing him in right now and we're content with the guys we have coming to camp," said McDaniels. The coach's comments indicate a willingness to consider Vick down the line, but he would need to enter camp "right now" if he's going to nail down the offense.

hopefully the mcd haters hate him even more now.

Link?

Rulon Velvet Jones
07-29-2009, 09:06 AM
no, actually they arent. almost every other team is quoted as saying "NO!"

they were talking about this on the radio, the teams to look out for are those that give the politically correct "we evaluate anyone we think can help our team" etc etc

"Jerry Jones made it clear on several occasions that he had no intention to bring Mike Vick to Dallas.

That hasn't changed since commissioner Roger Goodell conditionally reinstated the former federal prisoner earlier this week.

Jerry expects Vick to play in the NFL this season. It just won't be in Dallas.

"I want to be real clear in that I like where we are at quarterback," Jerry said when asked about Vick. "That's it. I just like where we are. I don't want to move where we are at quarterback."

Not seeing the "no" in this quote.

DBroncos4life
07-29-2009, 09:07 AM
Perhaps. Which rant? In the other thread?

That would be true as well, but in this thread you didn't say anything about McD, just the normal about Pat.

BMarsh615
07-29-2009, 09:09 AM
Link?

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=349&videoID=3347&type=broncosTV&year=&month=

lex
07-29-2009, 09:09 AM
what has happened? if we win 10 games this year, has the end of the world come yet?


Theres more to it than wins. Its also about style of play. I have no desire to see the Broncos attempt to become the Patriots west. I dont care how many wins it yields. I guess Id rather see them win than lose but if they dont maintain some of the characteristics that define this franchise (eg the zbs, stretch play, etc), whatever happens has less traction with me. It will be a time of tolerating the current regime more than fully embracing it.

Having said that, I havent been totally negative about McDaniels. I have also been critical of the old regime. There are some improvements that have been made that are for the better, namely defensive coaches. But at the same time, I fully embrace the old offense albeit with better personnel.

DenverBrit
07-29-2009, 09:10 AM
Actually, my bigger grievance is with Bowlen than McDaniels.

Pat very nearly cares about what you think.

tsiguy96
07-29-2009, 09:11 AM
Theres more to it than wins. Its also about style of play. I have no desire to see the Broncos attempt to become the Patriots west. I dont care how many wins it yields. I guess Id rather see them win than lose but if they dont maintain some of the characteristics that define this franchise (eg the zbs, stretch play, etc), whatever happens has less traction with me. It will be a time of tolerating the current regime more than fully embracing it.

Having said that, I havent been totally negative about McDaniels. I have also been critical of the old regime. There are some improvements that have been made that are for the better, namely defensive coaches. But at the same time, I fully embrace the old offense albeit with better personnel.

you are getting just ridiculously stupid. youd rather them lose with an old fashioned system then win with a new one. the zbs, stretch play do not define this franchise, they define shanahan.

TailgateNut
07-29-2009, 09:12 AM
If Michael Vick is as good as he was back in Atlanta I wouldn't mind having him. He wouldn't cost a lot of money, and his teams always had a winning record. Atlanta didn't have much besides Vick when he was there.

But I highly doubt he is as explosive as he used to be, and never was very accurate.

This is from someone who also beleives we should kiss BM's (Bowel movements) ass.:spit:

lex
07-29-2009, 09:12 AM
That would be true as well, but in this thread you didn't say anything about McD, just the normal about Pat.

OK. Yeah, its at Pats feet. No one wants to admit Pat is culpable for some reason. I wish he would sell the team. He complains too much about the economics of the NFL in spite of having a frachise of over a billion dollars. He needs to seel to someone who can give the fans what they deserve.

tsiguy96
07-29-2009, 09:13 AM
OK. Yeah, its at Pats feet. No one wants to admit Pat is culpable for some reason. I wish he would sell the team. He complains too much about the economics of the NFL in spite of having a frachise of over a billion dollars. He needs to seel to someone who can give the fans what they deserve.

you should probably root for the redskins.

lex
07-29-2009, 09:14 AM
you are getting just ridiculously stupid. youd rather them lose with an old fashioned system then win with a new one. the zbs, stretch play do not define this franchise, they define shanahan.

Like it or not, they do define the franchise just like the WCO defines the Niners. Also, its not an old fashioned system. If anything more and more teams are using it.

lex
07-29-2009, 09:14 AM
you should probably root for the redskins.

You should probably root for the Patriots. Since youre so enamored with McDaniels, who is, in turn, enamored with them.

tsiguy96
07-29-2009, 09:15 AM
Like it or not, they do define the franchise just like the WCO defines the Niners. Also, its not an old fashioned system. If anything more and more teams are using it.

the patriots system has won 3 superbowls in the last 10 years, including the greatest offense in NFL history.

BMarsh615
07-29-2009, 09:16 AM
This is from someone who also beleives we should kiss BM's (Bowel movements) ass.:spit:

I just want us to have the best team possible. If Vick can do the things he used to do I would have no problem seeing him in a Broncos uniform.

TailgateNut
07-29-2009, 09:17 AM
you should probably root for the redskins.

He probably will when we play the skins this year. For Lex it's never to early to start losing games to position ourselves for the next draft.

TailgateNut
07-29-2009, 09:19 AM
I just want us to have the best team possible. If Vick can do the things he used to do I would have no problem seeing him in a Broncos uniform.

FUQUE THAT! I have a serious issue contributing my money to an organization who would give that ****head a job! ...and yes, I am serious! He is lower than whale**** at the bottom of the ocean, in my book!

lex
07-29-2009, 09:21 AM
the patriots system has won 3 superbowls in the last 10 years, including the greatest offense in NFL history.

What system? Their system of videotaping? Seriously, you cant ignore that, though you may try. Also, their system isnt really better than Denvers because Denvers more effectively utilized the running game, which yields better balance. Where Denver has fallen short in recent years is on settling for any scrub (like Mike Bell) and hoping they maximize that system.

I really hope McDaniels brings more of a running game to the table and also one that isnt mickey mouse.

footstepsfrom#27
07-29-2009, 09:23 AM
If Vick came here 2 days after he's signed he'd be the next Randall Cunningham on this site. LOL

tsiguy96
07-29-2009, 09:24 AM
What system? Their system of videotaping? Seriously, you cant ignore that, though you may try. Also, their system isnt really better than Denvers because Denvers more effectively utilized the running game, which yields better balance. Where Denver has fallen short in recent years is on settling for any scrub (like Mike Bell) and hoping they maximize that system.

I really hope McDaniels brings more of a running game to the table and also one that isnt mickey mouse.
say waht you will, you are wrong, and youve proved it year in and year out. i dont know why you bother coming here trying to prove to all of us that the broncos are so bad.

yerner
07-29-2009, 09:24 AM
Sign him. It would be so much awesome cheering for Merriman to tear up Vicks knee..

DenverBrit
07-29-2009, 09:27 AM
OK. Yeah, its at Pats feet. No one wants to admit Pat is culpable for some reason. I wish he would sell the team. He complains too much about the economics of the NFL in spite of having a frachise of over a billion dollars. He needs to seel to someone who can give the fans what they deserve.

Whereas all other owners are delighted with the guaranteed money being demanded by rookies and FA's and want more of the same each year.

You really are a chronic whiner:
Don't like the coach.
Don't like the owner.
Don't like the offensive scheme.
etc, etc, etc.

Grow a pair, Shirley.

lex
07-29-2009, 09:28 AM
say waht you will, you are wrong, and youve proved it year in and year out. i dont know why you bother coming here trying to prove to all of us that the broncos are so bad.


There you go again, just throwing stuff out there whether it makes sense or not. You dont even leave much to respond to because there is such little substance in what you say. But thats pretty much the case when everything you say is, "look at how great everythign is."

There is really no heft in the words you use and additionally, you seem to be either reckless or not understand what youre saying much of the time.

Youre good for name calling but, really, youre more like a child.

tsiguy96
07-29-2009, 09:34 AM
There you go again, just throwing stuff out there whether it makes sense or not. You dont even leave much to respond to because there is such little substance in what you say. But thats pretty much the case when everything you say is, "look at how great everythign is."

There is really no heft in the words you use and additionally, you seem to be either reckless or not understand what youre saying much of the time.

Youre good for name calling but, really, youre more like a child.

how can anyone possibly logically respond to the **** you say? i dont even try anymore because you just ignore it and keep saying the same dumb **** over and over.

Archer81
07-29-2009, 09:35 AM
What system? Their system of videotaping? Seriously, you cant ignore that, though you may try. Also, their system isnt really better than Denvers because Denvers more effectively utilized the running game, which yields better balance. Where Denver has fallen short in recent years is on settling for any scrub (like Mike Bell) and hoping they maximize that system.

I really hope McDaniels brings more of a running game to the table and also one that isnt mickey mouse.


2007 Rushing comparison

NE: 451 Attempts, 1849 yds, 4.1 YPC 17 TDS
DEN: 429 att 1957 yds, 4.6 YPC 10 TDS

2008 Rushing comparison

NE: 513 att 2278 yds 4.4 ypc 21 tds
Den: 387 att 1862 yds 4.8 ypc 15 tds

Two seasons the Patriots had McDaniels as coordinator, NE's offensive approach was more balanced then Denver's. In 2008, NE's leading rushers were Sammy Morris and Kevin Faulk, not exactly household names.

:Broncos:

tsiguy96
07-29-2009, 09:39 AM
ive finally added lex to the ignore list!! its nice. please dont quote his ass either.

lex
07-29-2009, 09:42 AM
2007 Rushing comparison

NE: 451 Attempts, 1849 yds, 4.1 YPC 17 TDS
DEN: 429 att 1957 yds, 4.6 YPC 10 TDS

2008 Rushing comparison

NE: 513 att 2278 yds 4.4 ypc 21 tds
Den: 387 att 1862 yds 4.8 ypc 15 tds

Two seasons the Patriots had McDaniels as coordinator, NE's offensive approach was more balanced then Denver's. In 2008, NE's leading rushers were Sammy Morris and Kevin Faulk, not exactly household names.

:Broncos:

Well, not exactly in 2007 and thats why they lost the SB. But I hold out hope that the running game will improve and there will be more balance. Id rather it not be the case that every running play is a spin off of the WR screen. Elsid (I think) thinks it wont be. I generally consider him to be one of the better posters around here (unlike tsiguy and poops who are some of the better posers), so Im hopeful it wont be mickey mouse.

And like Ive also said, Im glad that we're not taking the same old approach of relying on scrubs.

I havent denied that our offense lost its way in general and, more specificallly, where the running game is concerned. But Id also rather have the running game from 97-02 than what Ive seen from the Patriots the past two years. Thats superior than what weve seen from NE the past couple of years.

lex
07-29-2009, 09:43 AM
how can anyone possibly logically respond to the **** you say? i dont even try anymore because you just ignore it and keep saying the same dumb **** over and over.


There is no logic in anything you say. How is "look at how great everything is" logical. In order for something to be logical there has to be a degree of critical thinking going on, which you lack.

Traveler
07-29-2009, 09:45 AM
Theres more to it than wins. Its also about style of play. I have no desire to see the Broncos attempt to become the Patriots west. I dont care how many wins it yields. I guess Id rather see them win than lose but if they dont maintain some of the characteristics that define this franchise (eg the zbs, stretch play, etc), whatever happens has less traction with me. It will be a time of tolerating the current regime more than fully embracing it.

Having said that, I havent been totally negative about McDaniels. I have also been critical of the old regime. There are some improvements that have been made that are for the better, namely defensive coaches. But at the same time, I fully embrace the old offense albeit with better personnel.

Lex,

Not all change is bad. The team changed from a run first, 3-4defensive oriented team during the Orange Crush run. Then, they played it close to the vest and let Elway try to pull things out under Reeves. Followed by the WCO during Shanny's tenure. Now, McDaniels brings his version of his hybrid Spread Offense with some of the ZBS mixed in.

I, for one, am glad to see a new system being put in place both offensively and defensively. The rest of the league has figured out how to game plan defensively against us. This team had become far too predictable.

Will it lead to the Broncos becoming a better team? Only time will tell. I'm just happy the I'll no longer have to see the same old offensive and defensive schemes anymore.

Archer81
07-29-2009, 09:46 AM
Well, not exactly in 2007 and thats why they lost the SB. But I hold out hope that the running game will improve and there will be more balance. Id rather it not be the case that every running play is a spin off of the WR screen. Elsid (I think) thinks it wont be. I generally consider him to be one of the better posters around here (unlike tsiguy and poops who are some of the better posers), so Im hopeful it wont be mickey mouse.

And like Ive also said, Im glad that we're not taking the same old approach of relying on scrubs.

I havent denied that our offense lost its way in general and, more specificallly, where the running game is concerned. But Id also rather have the running game from 97-02 than what Ive seen from the Patriots the past two years. Thats superior than what weve seen from NE the past couple of years.

I'd agree that the Broncos running game from 1995 to 2004 was possibly the most dominant the league has seen in a very long time. But looking at the things McDaniels has done, to stockpiling backs to drafting RB's TE's and OL, its obvious a power run game is in our future, and maybe that is the best way to go to protect a new QB and passing game and a suspect defense. I dont think McDaniels is going to junk the ZBS, but fuse it with a more physical blocking style, why else keep Dennison and Turner?

:Broncos:

barryr
07-29-2009, 09:47 AM
If Orton and Simms went down with injuries, then yeah, maybe Vick would be considered since who else is there out there to get? Other than that, I don't see the Broncos with much interest in Vick.

barryr
07-29-2009, 09:48 AM
I'd agree that the Broncos running game from 1995 to 2004 was possibly the most dominant the league has seen in a very long time. But looking at the things McDaniels has done, to stockpiling backs to drafting RB's TE's and OL, its obvious a power run game is in our future, and maybe that is the best way to go to protect a new QB and passing game and a suspect defense. I dont think McDaniels is going to junk the ZBS, but fuse it with a more physical blocking style, why else keep Dennison and Turner?

:Broncos:

That makes too much sense for him. He doesn't get it. Need more hysteria, sky is falling garbage.

lex
07-29-2009, 09:53 AM
Lex,

Not all change is bad. The team changed from a run first, 3-4defensive oriented team during the Orange Crush run. Then they played it close to the vest and let Elway try to pull things out under Reeves. Followed by the WCO during Shanny's tenure. Now, McDaniels brings his version of the hybrid Spread Offense with some of the ZBS mixed in.

I, for one, am glad to see a new system being put in place both offensively and defensively. The rest of the league has figured out how to game plan defensively against us. This team had become far too predictable.

Will it lead to the Broncos becoming a better team? Only time will tell. I'm just happy the I'll no longer have to see the same old offensive and defensive schemes anymore.

Not really. What made the system stall was the personnel and its shift in focus. If we would have had better RBs and linemen for the past few years, it would have been better. The disregard for the running game has resulted in some success but eventually, it was accountable for some of the offensive shortcomings. To be able to run against great defenses on the road in the playoffs like we once could is a tremendous advantage to have. Unfortunately, out of hubris, we turned our back on that, largely because of our own ineptness at drafting. We had to swap parts that made the running game go for pieces to help the defense because Sundquist couldnt draft. Also, guys got old.

The same system that has worked for us, has worked for Atlanta and Houston in recent years. Its more about the personnel. The system is viable. And its better than building a running game off of a WR screen.

Ive totally advocated the changes in defense although I still would have preferred Spags. But having said that, Ive been fond of going back to the 3-4.

GoBroncos DownUnder
07-29-2009, 09:57 AM
If Orton and Simms went down with injuries, then yeah, maybe Vick would be considered since who else is there out there to get? Other than that, I don't see the Broncos with much interest in Vick.
http://playersbehavingbadly.com/images/Micheal_Vick.jpg
I have NO INTEREST in my team signing Vick. I hope he is reduced to collecting food stamps this year, that would be AWESOME!!!8')

DBroncos4life
07-29-2009, 09:58 AM
ive finally added lex to the ignore list!! its nice. please dont quote his ass either.

that's some weak ****. While I tend to disagree with some people now days I don't go putting them on iggy to have only the people I agree with left on the board. While popps pisses me off from time to time I still hold him in high regards on this board and I would hate to lose his insight on football because I dont agree with everything he says. Same with you and lex. Lex was a hard poster to live with over the years because of his bashing of Shanny but I still leave him because I do like reading his stuff.

BroncoInferno
07-29-2009, 10:03 AM
Well, not exactly in 2007 and thats why they lost the SB. But I hold out hope that the running game will improve and there will be more balance. Id rather it not be the case that every running play is a spin off of the WR screen. Elsid (I think) thinks it wont be. I generally consider him to be one of the better posters around here (unlike tsiguy and poops who are some of the better posers), so Im hopeful it wont be mickey mouse.

And like Ive also said, Im glad that we're not taking the same old approach of relying on scrubs.

I havent denied that our offense lost its way in general and, more specificallly, where the running game is concerned. But Id also rather have the running game from 97-02 than what Ive seen from the Patriots the past two years. Thats superior than what weve seen from NE the past couple of years.

ive seen you post elsewhere thatyou like quinn the player but consider it a bad pick based on where he was drafted . while that is certainly a valid perspective the reasoning behind the selection should excite you. given that we already had one of best blocking tes in the game coupled with stockpiling of backs strongly suggests a commitment to apower running game.

BroncoInferno
07-29-2009, 10:10 AM
Not really. What made the system stall was the personnel and its shift in focus. If we would have had better RBs and linemen for the past few years, it would have been better. The disregard for the running game has resulted in some success but eventually, it was accountable for some of the offensive shortcomings. To be able to run against great defenses on the road in the playoffs like we once could is a tremendous advantage to have. Unfortunately, out of hubris, we turned our back on that, largely because of our own ineptness at drafting. We had to swap parts that made the running game go for pieces to help the defense because Sundquist couldnt draft. Also, guys got old.

The same system that has worked for us, has worked for Atlanta and Houston in recent years. Its more about the personnel. The system is viable. And its better than building a running game off of a WR screen.

Ive totally advocated the changes in defense although I still would have preferred Spags. But having said that, Ive been fond of going back to the 3-4.

most any coach brought in would have altered the offense. spags reportedly wanted to go to a more traditional twoback playaction deep passing offense like they run in new york . would you have been ok with that change?

TailgateNut
07-29-2009, 10:11 AM
ive finally added lex to the ignore list!! its nice. please dont quote his ass either.

I dropped him from the list of the living after he started yammering about the Broncos positioning themselves for the 09 draft back in 08. ****ing dillwad.

TailgateNut
07-29-2009, 10:13 AM
http://playersbehavingbadly.com/images/Micheal_Vick.jpg
I have NO INTEREST in my team signing Vick. I hope he is reduced to collecting food stamps this year, that would be AWESOME!!!8')

You're being too kind.

cutthemdown
07-29-2009, 10:17 AM
Vick he puts the "cat" in wildcat.

Garcia Bronco
07-29-2009, 10:20 AM
No way. If they bring Vick in, that would mean all this emphasis on character the past few years was a bunch of crap. It would also mean not only does Pat not care about the fan base but he seems to want to say **** you to it...the same fanbase that helped make the franchise over a billion dollars even with a lot of it travelling greater distances than you see with many other teams.

It takes character to stand up in front of everyone an admit you made a mistake.

lex
07-29-2009, 10:28 AM
ive seen you post elsewhere thatyou like quinn the player but consider it a bad pick based on where he was drafted . while that is certainly a valid perspective the reasoning behind the selection should excite you. given that we already had one of best blocking tes in the game coupled with stockpiling of backs strongly suggests a commitment to apower running game.


What you say is absolutely true. I really like Daniel Graham. Ill take more guys like that. I embrace the increased emphasis on the running game. Im quite pleased that we got rid of the tired policy of minimizing a strength by relying on late round RBs and scrubs.

What Im not so excited about is a lot of the elements of NEs running game that Ive seen in recent years. But one thing thats worth mentioning along those lines is that perhaps McDaniels would have constructed a running game with more heft if he had more influence on personnel decisions. I do have an open mind that what he does in Denver may not totally reflect what he did in NE due to the fact that he didnt have as much influence there. Also, to his credit, he did seem to learn his lesson from 2007.

I also suspect that with better personnel, he may rely on the elements of our old system more than he thinks, once he sees what it can do with better personnel.

So, yeah, I have said all these things all along (except acknowledging the point about him having less influence in NE and relying more on the ZBS with better personnel). I havent been totally negative about this. But Im still highly skeptical, though. You hear so much about the 07 Pats offense that was undone by its offensive flaw talked about as being the perfect offense when it was hardly that. But you worry that McDaniels will feel he has a reputation to live up to, when what really needs to happen is to have an offense with sufficient balance that your offense doesnt go from averaging 35 points a game in the regular season to 22 in the post season. For that, you need balance even if it means not amassing 570 points against a lot of the weaker teams in the regular season. You need to cultivate balance.

lex
07-29-2009, 10:29 AM
It takes character to stand up in front of everyone an admit you made a mistake.

Who did this?

Dagmar
07-29-2009, 10:30 AM
ive finally added lex to the ignore list!! its nice. please dont quote his ass either.

And then he is quoted 6 times on the page. Ignore is pointless.

lex
07-29-2009, 10:35 AM
And then he is quoted 6 times on the page. Ignore is pointless.


Id rather he have me on ignore. His replies are clutter.

GoBroncos DownUnder
07-29-2009, 10:36 AM
It takes character to stand up in front of everyone an admit you made a mistake.
It takes MORE character to stand up when no-one is looking, and do the "right thing".



(My definition of "Right thing" - when someone comes to you and asks for money to run an illegal dog fighting/killing gambling operation, they offer you a large cut of the profits and they ask if they can run it on your property ... ? It's not hard to say "NO!") :angel:

TailgateNut
07-29-2009, 10:41 AM
It takes MORE character to stand up when no-one is looking, and do the "right thing".



(My definition of "Right thing" - when someone comes to you and asks for money to run an illegal dog fighting/killing gambling operation, they offer you a large cut of the profits and they ask if they can run it on your property ... ? It's not hard to say "NO!") :angel:


This should be fodder for BF7. Vick was from the Hood (Newport News, Va).

As they say: "You can take the boy out of the hood, but not the hood out of the boy." His problem was that he didn't move away from his past when he had the opportunity.

El Guapo
07-29-2009, 10:43 AM
I have no interest in him as a QB, but he's an incredible athlete, so there are ways to use him

Yup, sign him up as a WR. He would garner a lot of attention, but I don't think he is really that great of a QB. (Although he did tear up our D a few years back... that was horrible.)

Jason in LA
07-29-2009, 11:34 AM
"we're content with the guys we have coming to camp"

Well that doesn't make me feel good about the position. When has the QB position looked this bad heading into the season?

GoBroncos DownUnder
07-29-2009, 11:37 AM
"we're content with the guys we have coming to camp"

Well that doesn't make me feel good about the position. When has the QB position looked this bad heading into the season?
You think we could enter the race to sign Brett Favre as soon as he un-retires again!!??!Hilarious!

Garcia Bronco
07-29-2009, 11:45 AM
It takes MORE character to stand up when no-one is looking, and do the "right thing".



(My definition of "Right thing" - when someone comes to you and asks for money to run an illegal dog fighting/killing gambling operation, they offer you a large cut of the profits and they ask if they can run it on your property ... ? It's not hard to say "NO!") :angel:

That was his mistake. I agree the true mesaure of someone is what they do when no one is looking.

Garcia Bronco
07-29-2009, 11:45 AM
Who did this?

this is just one that a simple google search returned.

Michael Vick's statement after being reinstated by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell: "I would like to express my sincere gratitude and appreciation to Commissioner Goodell for allowing me to be readmitted to the National Football League. I fully understand that playing football in the NFL is a privilege, not a right, and I am truly thankful for opportunity I have been given. "As you can imagine, the last two years have given me time to re-evaluate my life, mature as an individual and fully understand the terrible mistakes I made in the past and what type of life I must lead moving forward. "Again, I would like to thank the Commissioner for the chance to return to the game I love and the opportunity to become an example of positive change. I would like to also thank Coach Tony Dungy for all of his support and for serving as a mentor."

Garcia Bronco
07-29-2009, 11:46 AM
This should be fodder for BF7. Vick was from the Hood (Newport News, Va).

As they say: "You can take the boy out of the hood, but not the hood out of the boy." His problem was that he didn't move away from his past when he had the opportunity.

He's from Hampton which IMO is worse.

Baba Booey
07-29-2009, 11:47 AM
He's just saying this, I think. I have a hard time believing he has any interest in Vick. Just a typical Belicheck answer - "We evaluate every option" etc. Vick is the anti-McDaniels system-wise.

lex
07-29-2009, 11:47 AM
this is just one that a simple google search returned.

Michael Vick's statement after being reinstated by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell: "I would like to express my sincere gratitude and appreciation to Commissioner Goodell for allowing me to be readmitted to the National Football League. I fully understand that playing football in the NFL is a privilege, not a right, and I am truly thankful for opportunity I have been given. "As you can imagine, the last two years have given me time to re-evaluate my life, mature as an individual and fully understand the terrible mistakes I made in the past and what type of life I must lead moving forward. "Again, I would like to thank the Commissioner for the chance to return to the game I love and the opportunity to become an example of positive change. I would like to also thank Coach Tony Dungy for all of his support and for serving as a mentor."

Blah. That holds little value. He has always only admitted something if it benefited him. This means little.

Garcia Bronco
07-29-2009, 11:50 AM
Blah. That holds little value. He has always only admitted something if it benefited him. This means little.

LOL. You said he didn't admit his mistake, and you've been shown otherwise. You made a mistake, now at least have the character to admit it least you be like what you said Vick was.

lex
07-29-2009, 11:54 AM
LOL. You said he didn't admit his mistake, and you've been shown otherwise. You made a mistake, now at least have the character to admit it least you be like what you said Vick was.


Where? The quote of mine that you quoted in bringing this up had no such mention of him admitting his mistake. Whether or not he admitted to it, isnt really such an issue to me. I kind of question that I said what youre suggesting.

Garcia Bronco
07-29-2009, 12:00 PM
Where? The quote of mine that you quoted in bringing this up had no such mention of him admitting his mistake. Whether or not he admitted to it, isnt really such an issue to me. I kind of question that I said what youre suggesting.

LOL. Nice try.

lex
07-29-2009, 12:17 PM
LOL. Nice try.

Seriously, where did I say he didnt admit to what he had done?

~Crash~
07-29-2009, 12:22 PM
If vick will work for food and will make the 53 man roster better who the heck cares .

~Crash~
07-29-2009, 12:23 PM
if he wants huge jack ...pass

TailgateNut
07-29-2009, 12:23 PM
this is just one that a simple google search returned.

Michael Vick's statement after being reinstated by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell: "I would like to express my sincere gratitude and appreciation to Commissioner Goodell for allowing me to be readmitted to the National Football League. I fully understand that playing football in the NFL is a privilege, not a right, and I am truly thankful for opportunity I have been given. "As you can imagine, the last two years have given me time to re-evaluate my life, mature as an individual and fully understand the terrible mistakes I made in the past and what type of life I must lead moving forward. "Again, I would like to thank the Commissioner for the chance to return to the game I love and the opportunity to become an example of positive change. I would like to also thank Coach Tony Dungy for all of his support and for serving as a mentor."

I wonder who the author is. :angel:

lex
07-29-2009, 12:24 PM
If vick will work for food and will make the 53 man roster better who the heck cares .

People who have a problem with cruelty to animals.

TailgateNut
07-29-2009, 12:25 PM
He's from Hampton which IMO is worse.

Allen Iverson is from Hampton, from what I understood, he (vick) was from Newport News.

Either way, both are "Dumps".

GoBroncos DownUnder
07-29-2009, 12:37 PM
"Where you are from" means absolutely nothing!

Hampton News, Virginia.
ALSO the hometown to one of the best, "take no crap", upstanding men in the NFL. Mike Tomlin.

TailgateNut
07-29-2009, 01:19 PM
"Where you are from" means absolutely nothing!

Hampton News, Virginia.
ALSO the hometown to one of the best, "take no crap", upstanding men in the NFL. Mike Tomlin.


It's Newport News, and it does mean something because a couple of his dog killing cohorts were from his old stomping grounds.

Northman
07-29-2009, 01:34 PM
Bleh, Vick is/was/will be overrated. He screwed the pooch with his last opportunity and i just dont want to see him in Denver. I hear Wal-mart is hiring, maybe Leaf can get him a job there.

Rabb
07-29-2009, 01:48 PM
He screwed the pooch

then drowned and bludgeoned

rastaman
07-29-2009, 02:14 PM
Like it or not, whatever has happened, Pat has allowed to happen, whether thats tolerating Shanahan too long or bringing in McDaniels and the resulting hijinx.

The fact that Bowlen gets such little scrutiny just goes to show how people have tailored their position to fall in line with "supporting" bowlens enterprise.

Great points. Bowlen could have put an end to the McD-Cutler saga by just interceeding the moment he heard what the media was reporting about the possibility of shopping Cutler around for possible trades; aka Cassell for Cutler.

rastaman
07-29-2009, 02:18 PM
People who have a problem with cruelty to animals.

Those folks are going to need to get over it. Hell, these fans need to be pissed at the judge who sentenced Vick in the first place. These anti Vick fans are showng just how lazy and vengeful they truly are.

lex
07-29-2009, 02:22 PM
Those folks are going to need to get over it. Hell, these fans need to be pissed at the judge who sentenced Vick in the first place. These anti Vick fans are showng just how lazy and vengeful they truly are.

Actually, they dont. If you want to become disliked in a way thats irreversible, being cruel to animals is a great way to do that. Its probably more the case that people should just accept that as long as he is on a team, there will be intense, vitriolic backlash. The disdain people have for him isnt going away.

TailgateNut
07-29-2009, 02:38 PM
Those folks are going to need to get over it. Hell, these fans need to be pissed at the judge who sentenced Vick in the first place. These anti Vick fans are showng just how lazy and vengeful they truly are.

1. NO WE DO NOT NEED TO GET OVER IT.
2. Lazy and vengeful??? WTF are you yammering about?

TheReverend
07-29-2009, 02:40 PM
I'd say screw it and sign him based off the talent level of what we're fielding, but McD needs a smart QB and that's not going to fit Michael Vick extremely well...

Northman
07-29-2009, 02:50 PM
Those folks are going to need to get over it. Hell, these fans need to be pissed at the judge who sentenced Vick in the first place. These anti Vick fans are showng just how lazy and vengeful they truly are.


Animal's life > Game

listopencil
07-29-2009, 04:45 PM
"We always evaluate every player, but we're not bringing him in right now and we're content with the guys we have coming to camp"

bronco_boi_5280
07-29-2009, 05:09 PM
I hope we sign Vick, just so I can see the "outrage" by the fans, who will get all huffy and puffy, claim they will never watch the team again, and then like 3 days later be over it.

tsiguy96
07-29-2009, 05:10 PM
I hope we sign Vick, just so I can see the "outrage" by the fans, who will get all huffy and puffy, claim they will never watch the team again, and then like 3 days later be over it.

haha, ive been telling that to my dad all day. ill buy a vick jersey just to piss everyone off :afro:

ScottXray
07-29-2009, 05:22 PM
Like it or not, they do define the franchise just like the WCO defines the Niners. Also, its not an old fashioned system. If anything more and more teams are using it.

So Copying is good flattery. When Half the teams in the league are using ZBS , other than it being used here Earlier, what about makes it a part of team identity? What if We go to a smash mouth OL and run successfully with it?

Running and being GOOD at it is a Shanahan trademark, and while I would like to see that continue, it doesn't have to be ZBS. Frankly the Lighter quicker
O-lineman are a handicap in the Red zone if you don't have a back that can punch it in alone , or you HAVE to use 2-3 TE sets to get it done. It LIMITS what can be done down there on O unless your line is outstanding. I just want a highly EFFECTIVE offense in the red zone, something we haven't had for the last 5 years. That is a team tradition I want to see GONE.

TDmvp
07-29-2009, 06:09 PM
Yea after hearing them on Espn say our off season was ridiculously poor and mismanaged sure lets bring in the PoS thug dog killer ... That will lift my spirits greatly .

Hell I wonder If maybe we can sign Rae Curruth and Stallworth since we may need a Wr after Mcjerkoff Fs up another great player from Shanny era .


I personally don't think Vick ever should play again ...
With people starving and people losing their homes and playing by the rules why should this thug waste of human flesh be allowed back to make millions after proving he is nothing but trash.

I would buy tickets to watch him mauled by large animals or hit by a car tho ...
Maybe the NFL should look into that money making venture ... since it's all that matters really .

mizzoutigers
07-29-2009, 06:13 PM
mcd would not bring in a guy like that. shanny maybe but not mcd.

Northman
07-29-2009, 06:16 PM
yea after hearing them on espn say our off season was ridiculously poor and mismanaged sure lets bring in the pos thug dog killer ... That will lift my spirits greatly .

Hell i wonder if maybe we can sign rae curruth and stallworth since we may need a wr after mcjerkoff fs up another great player from shanny era .


I personally don't think vick ever should play again ...
With people starving and people losing their homes and playing by the rules why should this thug waste of human flesh be allowed back to make millions after proving he is nothing but trash.

i would buy tickets to watch him mauled by large animals or hit by a car tho ...
Maybe the nfl should look into that money making venture ... Since it's all that matters really .


^5

bronco_boi_5280
07-29-2009, 07:32 PM
mcd would not bring in a guy like that. shanny maybe but not mcd.

And you have what proof of this?


You might recall, the guy he learned under, Belichek, bringing in "bad guys" such Corey Dillon and Randy Moss, and being pretty successful.

Now I get that this is a totally different situation, but the point is, I'd be more inclined to say that he would consider this type of thing. Not saying it would happen by any means, but I think he'd surely consider it.