FOX-What Else-Beck: Obama A Racist

[OrangeRising]

I'm a little surprised this guy doesn't froth at the mouth when he speaks. Honestly, there HAS to be something wrong with him. Well, besides the fact that he looks like Concentration Camp Guard, and his eyes are too close together, that is.



By DAVID BAUDER, AP Television Writer – Tue Jul 28, 7:39 pm ET
NEW YORK – Fox News Channel commentator Glenn Beck said he believes President Barack Obama is a racist. Beck made the statement during a guest appearance Tuesday on the "Fox & Friends" morning show. He said Obama has exposed himself as a person with "a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture."
His remarks came during a discussion of Obama's reaction to the arrest of Harvard University scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. Gates is black and was arrested for disorderly conduct by a white policeman over a misunderstanding about a break-in at Gates' home.
An Obama spokesman, William Burton, said the White House had no comment on Beck.
Beck's statement was challenged on the air by Fox host Brian Kilmeade, who noted that most of the people who work for the nation's first black president are white.
"I'm not saying he doesn't like white people," Beck said. "He has a problem. This guy is, I believe, a racist."
Beck wondered, during the discussion, what other president would immediately jump on the police for their actions in the case. Obama said in a news conference that he believed the police acted stupidly in the case, but later backtracked from the statement and invited Gates and the police officer, Sgt. James Crowley, to the White House for a conciliatory meeting later this week.
Bill Shine, Fox News senior vice president of programming, told the TVNewswer Web site that Beck had "expressed a personal opinion which represented his own views, not those of the Fox News Channel. And as with all commentators in the cable news arena, he is given the freedom to express his opinions."
Racial controversies are hardly new to presidents. In 2005, entertainer Kanye West said during a telethon after Hurricane Katrina that President George W. Bush "doesn't care about black people."
Beck, also a radio host and best-selling author, was an immediate hit with Fox News Channel viewers, starting in January when he made the jump from HLN (formerly CNN Headline News).
Beck didn't speak about the racial comments on his own Tuesday Fox show.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Beck's statement was challenged on the air by Fox host Brian Kilmeade, who noted that most of the people who work for the nation's first black president are white.

"I'm not saying he doesn't like white people," Beck said. "He has a problem. This guy is, I believe, a racist."
Uh Glenn...that's what a racist is you moron. :rofl:
Beck wondered, during the discussion, what other president would immediately jump on the police for their actions in the case.
Of course 95% of the people who have heard the story formed an opinion...are they all racists?

Beck is part of the loony tunes fringe, but he's tame compared to this moron, who I sincerely believe is clinically insane:

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[Dudeskey]

Obama runs over prairie dogs for fun too...™

[footstepsfrom#27]

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[footstepsfrom#27]

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[atomicbloke]

but he's tame compared to this moron, who I sincerely believe is clinically insane:

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I don't think he really is a moron.

In all probability, he doesn't believe the things he writes in his book.

But he knows, that if he writes such things, countless other lemmings will gobble it up and buy his book..... and he'll get rich.....

[footstepsfrom#27]

I don't think he really is a moron.

In all probability, he doesn't believe the things he writes in his book.

But he knows, that if he writes such things, countless other lemmings will gobble it up and buy his book..... and he'll get rich.....
He certainly ACTS like a moron...ever hear his radio show? LOL ...it's high comedy. He throws conniptions that make Rush look like he's stable. He yells and screams, rants at the top of his lungs about anything and everything for...I don't know, whatever the length of his show is. Even if I was a far righty, this guy would make me want to drive a hot needle through my eardrums just so I wouldn't have to hear him.

[Garcia Bronco]

I saw the glen beck show once for 5 minutes and I can't really consider it any different than pro-wrestling **** talking.

[Doggcow]

I hear he smoked the reefer too.

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[barryr]

I'd say Obama has more a chip on his shoulder than anything else. But I really don't know why since he hasn't seemed to struggle much in his life and has had it pretty easy compared to most black people and really any race for that matter.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I'd say Obama has more a chip on his shoulder than anything else. But I really don't know why since he hasn't seemed to struggle much in his life and has had it pretty easy compared to most black people and really any race for that matter.
Maybe he's encountered to many clowns like you?

[W*GS]

Beck is an idiot.

[TailgateNut]

Maybe he's encountered to many clowns like you?


I thought there weren't too many clowns LIKE BarryR. I consider him to be of a special variety.

[barryr]

Maybe he's encountered to many clowns like you?

He's had his ass kissed by bigger people than you.

[barryr]

I thought there weren't too many clowns LIKE BarryR. I consider him to be of a special variety.

Oh no, no nuts is back.

[footstepsfrom#27]

He's had his ass kissed by bigger people than you.
I yield to your extensive knowledge on the subject of kissing ass.

[TailgateNut]

Oh no, no nuts is back.

Spit 'em out, you've done a great job removing the sweat!

[El Guapo]

You should watch the segment before you bash, but he had a psychologist on the show and they were discussing the chip on obamas shoulder. They came to the conclusion that there is some sort of "racial" tendencies in Obama.

They supported this both by quotes from Obama and from the first lady...

(ah, the article above is in regards to his radio show. Yesterday on his TV show is when the events above occurred.)

[Rohirrim]

Does this mean Obama hated his mother?

[TailgateNut]

Does this mean Obama hated his mother?

No, he didn't hate her ,he just practiced "reverse racism" on her.;D

[Rohirrim]

No, he didn't hate her ,he just practiced "reverse racism" on her.;D

Hmmmm. Wouldn't that be "double reverse?"


I think somebody should do a doctoral thesis on why so many of the rightard ruling class are... well, let's just say swimming in the shallow end of the gene pool.

[Bob]

Beck is an idiot.

Actually, in terms of his feelings about a hands off approach to government -- I think you may have much in common with him.

[Bob]

I hear he smoked the reefer too.

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/9131/pineappleexpresslaugh.gif

You name it, hes done it -- he doesnt hide from his past, which includes his past more liberal views...

[Bob]

I don't think he really is a moron.

In all probability, he doesn't believe the things he writes in his book.

But he knows, that if he writes such things, countless other lemmings will gobble it up and buy his book..... and he'll get rich.....

As one of the lemmings, who has read more of Beck's stuff, and heard more from him than anyone here -- I would say, that I honestly think he does believe it. I guess one thing that makes him radical is that he actually believes in smaller less intrusive government, and many of the founding father's statements to that effect -- so when the R establishment and teh D establishment, who dont believe in that anymore see him as a big enough threat, a contrived way will be found to shut him up.

[Rohirrim]

As one of the lemmings, who has read more of Beck's stuff, and heard more from him than anyone here -- I would say, that I honestly think he does believe it. I guess one thing that makes him radical is that he actually believes in smaller less intrusive government, and many of the founding father's statements to that effect -- so when the R establishment and teh D establishment, who dont believe in that anymore see him as a big enough threat, a contrived way will be found to shut him up.

Too bad he can't argue his viewpoint without calling the president of the U.S. a racist. Of course, that's how the Right rolls, isn't it?

[footstepsfrom#27]

As one of the lemmings, who has read more of Beck's stuff, and heard more from him than anyone here -- I would say, that I honestly think he does believe it. I guess one thing that makes him radical is that he actually believes in smaller less intrusive government, and many of the founding father's statements to that effect -- so when the R establishment and teh D establishment, who dont believe in that anymore see him as a big enough threat, a contrived way will be found to shut him up.
He wasn't talking about Beck, he was talking about Michael Savage.

[Bob]

Too bad he can't argue his viewpoint without calling the president of the U.S. a racist. Of course, that's how the Right rolls, isn't it?

Obama's actions have not been very inclusive, and are preferential -- and not based on merit -- and that's ok? Obama hangs out with Bigots for 20 years, and the mainstream media turns a blind eye --

Now Obama's coments and admits that he does not "have all the facts" about a cop arresting a black man, but still says they acted stupidly -- why does he assume that? because it is the prism he sees the world through after hanging out in a bigoted church for twenty years. Double standards galore for Obama. Why does he get a pass for saying bigoting things about white people -- how "typical" of him maybe it was "breed" into him (using his own bigoted words.)

[Bob]

He wasn't talking about Beck, he was talking about Michael Savage.

I have mixed feeling about Savage -- he had the right to say what he wishes, but he is one angry dude. I personally dont like the way he communicates -- too much blast away first and ask questions later for me to trust him.

[Rohirrim]

Obama's actions have not been very inclusive, and are preferential -- and not based on merit -- and that's ok? Obama hangs out with Bigots for 20 years, and the mainstream media turns a blind eye --

Now Obama's coments and admits that he does not "have all the facts" about a cop arresting a black man, but still says they acted stupidly -- why does he assume that? because it is the prism he sees the world through after hanging out in a bigoted church for twenty years. Double standards galore for Obama. Why does he get a pass for saying bigoting things about white people -- how "typical" of him maybe it was "breed" into him (using his own bigoted words.)

Some of the things you post are so jaw-droppingly stupid that I can only sit and shake my head.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Now Obama's coments and admits that he does not "have all the facts" about a cop arresting a black man, but still says they acted stupidly -- why does he assume that?
As it turns out he was right.

[Odysseus]

Some of the things you post are so jaw-droppingly stupid that I can only sit and shake my head.

I cannot believe how the population of the morally insane continues to flourish.

[Odysseus]

Fox tends to blame people for the very thing it is most guilty of.

[footstepsfrom#27]

What amazes me is the transparency. Most of the time it's barely even disguised at all, or if it is, it's such a ludicrous sham that anybody could figure it out with minimal effort.

[Odysseus]

I am starting to think only 20% of our country can read.

[AbileneBroncoFan]

Can someone please explain to me what qualifies Glenn Beck to have a television show? Is it just because people like to listen to dumbasses or is it because he is willing to cry on TV? If he is the best Fox can find, I am thoroughly unimpressed. Not that I've ever been impressed with that disgrace to journalism.

[El Guapo]

Actually CNN found him first...

I can say that I don't take everything he says as 100% proof, but some his ideals are spot on. (i.e. his ideas about the founding fathers and being a constitutionalist. How can you not agree with that?)

He also brings up stuff that other main stream media outlets don't talk about, such as Obamas ties to Acorn and how he is empowerming "community organizers" and appointing czars that they themselves have said they are communists. Or even this (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/21/obamas-science-czar-considered-forced-abortions-sterilization-population-growth/) science czar who "once floated the idea of forced abortions, 'compulsory sterilization,' and the creation of a 'Planetary Regime' that would oversee human population levels and control all natural resources as a means of protecting the planet." uhh...

[OrangeRising]

Actually CNN found him first...

I can say that I don't take everything he says as 100% proof, but some his ideals are spot on. (i.e. his ideas about the founding fathers and being a constitutionalist. How can you not agree with that?)

He also brings up stuff that other main stream media outlets don't talk about, such as Obamas ties to Acorn and how he is empowerming "community organizers" and appointing czars that they themselves have said they are communists. Or even this (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/21/obamas-science-czar-considered-forced-abortions-sterilization-population-growth/) science czar who "once floated the idea of forced abortions, 'compulsory sterilization,' and the creation of a 'Planetary Regime' that would oversee human population levels and control all natural resources as a means of protecting the planet." uhh...

You do realize that your link-reference for this babble is Fox News. They have no credibility. Froced abortions. Please. It would be headlines across the country. Communists? Good grief man, join the 21st century. If he expounds some kind of contrivance Bill O'Reilly thinks is Communist, then it must be so, right?

Unfortunately, MSNBC seems to carry the same banner at the other extreme, and it's just a damn shame our media has come to this.

This communists and constitutionalist crap is an attempt at couching these extremes in defense of country and flag. Adolf Hitler did that same thing, as did Joseph Stalin and a whole bunch of other one-minded loons I can think of.

[footstepsfrom#27]

He also brings up stuff that other main stream media outlets don't talk about, such as Obamas ties to Acorn and how he is empowerming "community organizers"...
OH NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!...NOT THAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTT!! Yikes!:holyguac!:nono::Whaaaa!::hitself:

[Rigs11]

remember folks, since we elected a black president, racism no longer exists.Ha!Oh except for obama, he is a racist.All these rightards are trying to do is paint obama as only caring about black people.The poor white people will pay health insurance for blacks is one of the recent gems.

[cutthemdown]

did you guys hear Obama's new slogan?


White people, it's whats for dinner!!!!

[Bob]

Some of the things you post are so jaw-droppingly stupid that I can only sit and shake my head.

I know, Obama's own words have been jaw droppingly stupid, and have been excused away because of his other policies, that the left agrees with.

[Bob]

As it turns out he was right.

I do think folks with all the mis-information, folks can and will go back and forth allong time on this --- but what is telling is without having all the facts, he would feel perfectly comfortable in assuming that the cops were at fault and "stupid" -- if Obama was just a guy spouting off at the boob tube at home were to think it, or even express it, its his right. But as my President he should be able to use his frontal lobe for a moment (dispite his friendship)and put the breaks on, and not expose some of his biases.

[Bob]

You do realize that your link-reference for this babble is Fox News. They have no credibility. Froced abortions. Please. It would be headlines across the country. Communists? Good grief man, join the 21st century. If he expounds some kind of contrivance Bill O'Reilly thinks is Communist, then it must be so, right?

Unfortunately, MSNBC seems to carry the same banner at the other extreme, and it's just a damn shame our media has come to this.

This communists and constitutionalist crap is an attempt at couching these extremes in defense of country and flag. Adolf Hitler did that same thing, as did Joseph Stalin and a whole bunch of other one-minded loons I can think of.

On what points (if any) do MSNBC and Obama differ? If simular, does that make Obama an extremist?

[Bob]

remember folks, since we elected a black president, racism no longer exists.Ha!Oh except for obama, he is a racist.All these rightards are trying to do is paint obama as only caring about black people.The poor white people will pay health insurance for blacks is one of the recent gems.

If McCain had done what Obama did for twenty years -- he would have had to dropp out of the race for preseident, and would likely have had to give up his seat in the Senate. Obama has said things that have been racist, you may agree with his policies, but there has been a double standard applied.

[Rigs11]

Did you guy's hear the repubs slogan?

"No!"

[TailgateNut]

If McCain had done what Obama did for twenty years -- he would have had to dropp out of the race for preseident, and would likely have had to give up his seat in the Senate. Obama has said things that have been racist, you may agree with his policies, but there has been a double standard applied.

Does your ass hurt?

'Cause if I pulled as much **** out of mine, it would HURT!

[footstepsfrom#27]

I do think folks with all the mis-information, folks can and will go back and forth allong time on this --- but what is telling is without having all the facts, he would feel perfectly comfortable in assuming that the cops were at fault and "stupid" -- if Obama was just a guy spouting off at the boob tube at home were to think it, or even express it, its his right. But as my President he should be able to use his frontal lobe for a moment (dispite his friendship)and put the breaks on, and not expose some of his biases.
He specifically qualified his statement, stating that it was the act of arresting Gates that was acting stupidly. As it turns out, that was exactly correct. Gates committed no crime. He was in his own home. The police actually entered his home, acted on a very sketchy report, told him they were leaving when they got his ID, but didn't, then lured him outside to the porch where he could be cuffed. On top of that, we know that their original version of these events was doctored in the police report, casting grave doubt about the rest of their story. Bottom line; there was no justification for the arrest and the police themselves know this, evidenced by them immediately dropping charges.

In light of what we now know, is there some aspect of what they did you define as intelligent?

[Odysseus]

If McCain had done what Obama did for twenty years -- he would have had to dropp out of the race for preseident, and would likely have had to give up his seat in the Senate. Obama has said things that have been racist, you may agree with his policies, but there has been a double standard applied.

McCain was against Martin Luther King Birthday as a holiday. He apologized during his presidential campaign. Do you know how many things he apologized for while he was running? That went undetected while Clinton was attacking Obama. Do you know anything about McCain?

[footstepsfrom#27]

If McCain had done what Obama did for twenty years -- he would have had to dropp out of the race for preseident, and would likely have had to give up his seat in the Senate. Obama has said things that have been racist, you may agree with his policies, but there has been a double standard applied.
You mean if he'd gone to church instead of cheating on his wife, divorcing her for a younger woman and getting kickbacks from the Telcom industry in exchange for his vote? Hilarious!

[Rohirrim]

I know, Obama's own words have been jaw droppingly stupid, and have been excused away because of his other policies, that the left agrees with.

You know how I know you're a big Fox News fan? Because you think it's perfectly okay to just fling unsubstantiated bull**** around as if it is fact. :~ohyah!:

[Rigs11]

Hmm wonder if faux news is reporting on this?remember folks racism does not exist.


Boston officer's apparent racial slur may get him fired


(CNN) -- A Boston police officer who sent a mass e-mail referring to Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. as a "banana-eating jungle monkey" has apologized, saying he's not a racist.


Officer Justin Barrett told a Boston television station on Wednesday night that he was sorry for the e-mail.

"I regret that I used such words," Barrett told CNN affiliate WCVB-TV. "I have so many friends of every type of culture and race you can name. I am not a racist."

Barrett was placed on administrative leave after the e-mail surfaced, and he might lose his job as a result.

In a news conference held Thursday morning, Boston Police Commissioner Edward Davis denounced the e-mail.

"We have a relationship to maintain with the community," he said. "Police officers certainly have First Amendment rights, but they can't cross the line. I believe this crosses the line."

Davis said he spoke Wednesday with Gates, who was "gracious and incredibly thankful that we took action."

Barrett, 36, who is also an active member of the National Guard, sent off a fiery e-mail to some fellow Guard members -- as well as The Boston Globe -- in which he vented about a July 22 Globe column about Gates' controversial arrest. Watch Barrett apologize »

Gates, a top African-American scholar, was arrested on July 16 and accused of disorderly conduct after police responded to a report of a possible burglary at his Cambridge home. The charge later was dropped. The incident sparked a debate about racial profiling and police procedures.

Globe columnist Yvonne Abraham supported Gates' actions, asking readers, "Would you stand for this kind of treatment, in your own home, by a police officer who by now clearly has no right to be there?"



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http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/30/gates.police.apology/index.html

[Bob]

Can someone please explain to me what qualifies Glenn Beck to have a television show? Is it just because people like to listen to dumbasses or is it because he is willing to cry on TV? If he is the best Fox can find, I am thoroughly unimpressed. Not that I've ever been impressed with that disgrace to journalism.

I am sick of listening to those who never listen to him -- who pretend like they have something to say about him -- if you had heard him, he's the first to admitt, he's no journalist, he does not pretend to be one in real life, or on TV ... unlike CNN, ABC, NPR, and most of those on TV now days.

He is an opinion guy, who backs up his sources, have you noticed, that folks here attempt to go after him, because what he says generally can be backed up -- go after his ideas, if you know enough about him, or the subject.

[Bob]

did you guys hear Obama's new slogan?


White people, it's whats for dinner!!!!

I wonder if PETA would be for or against this?

[Bob]

Does your ass hurt?

'Cause if I pulled as much **** out of mine, it would HURT!

Again, facts can be pesky things -- that hurt more to those who are willing to over-look a current president's statements and actions because of policies. I dont think I would have done the same thing with Bush, if he had done the same things (if I could verify the source.) We are talking about Obama's own words, and admitted actions in several cases. Obama chose someone as his personal pastor -- not a distant Pope, to baptise his children, and to teach him, and his children about sacred things, and did so for twenty years? His "typical white person" statement, I also found offensive.

Wright's words I think most Americans black and white, find offensive, if one removes the words white with black, and if a McCain were to say the exact same things in reverse, on a few occasions, McCain would have been run out of town. Do we excuse racist things from a minority group or a president from that group because of past injustices? Appearently the answer is yes.

[Bob]

Hmm wonder if faux news is reporting on this?remember folks racism does not exist.


Boston officer's apparent racial slur may get him fired


(CNN) -- A Boston police officer who sent a mass e-mail referring to Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. as a "banana-eating jungle monkey" has apologized, saying he's not a racist.


Officer Justin Barrett told a Boston television station on Wednesday night that he was sorry for the e-mail.

"I regret that I used such words," Barrett told CNN affiliate WCVB-TV. "I have so many friends of every type of culture and race you can name. I am not a racist."

Barrett was placed on administrative leave after the e-mail surfaced, and he might lose his job as a result.

In a news conference held Thursday morning, Boston Police Commissioner Edward Davis denounced the e-mail.

"We have a relationship to maintain with the community," he said. "Police officers certainly have First Amendment rights, but they can't cross the line. I believe this crosses the line."

Davis said he spoke Wednesday with Gates, who was "gracious and incredibly thankful that we took action."

Barrett, 36, who is also an active member of the National Guard, sent off a fiery e-mail to some fellow Guard members -- as well as The Boston Globe -- in which he vented about a July 22 Globe column about Gates' controversial arrest. Watch Barrett apologize »

Gates, a top African-American scholar, was arrested on July 16 and accused of disorderly conduct after police responded to a report of a possible burglary at his Cambridge home. The charge later was dropped. The incident sparked a debate about racial profiling and police procedures.

Globe columnist Yvonne Abraham supported Gates' actions, asking readers, "Would you stand for this kind of treatment, in your own home, by a police officer who by now clearly has no right to be there?"



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http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/30/gates.police.apology/index.html

FOX news should report it -- he was on the same police force right, but not directly involved in the Gates arrest, correct?

[Bob]

He specifically qualified his statement, stating that it was the act of arresting Gates that was acting stupidly. As it turns out, that was exactly correct. Gates committed no crime. He was in his own home. The police actually entered his home, acted on a very sketchy report, told him they were leaving when they got his ID, but didn't, then lured him outside to the porch where he could be cuffed. On top of that, we know that their original version of these events was doctored in the police report, casting grave doubt about the rest of their story. Bottom line; there was no justification for the arrest and the police themselves know this, evidenced by them immediately dropping charges.

In light of what we now know, is there some aspect of what they did you define as intelligent?

Or the take home message is: you better not arrest one of the president's friends...

What I do wonder is -- if I guy is acting out, like he was -- what should the cop do at that point?

Like many at the top of this adminstration, there are two sets of rules. Once the President gets involved in a matter like this one, the police know that the media will circle the wagons, and the police: a black man, a hispanic and a white guy's fate will be decided by the real powers that be --

[AbileneBroncoFan]

I am sick of listening to those who never listen to him -- who pretend like they have something to say about him -- if you had heard him, he's the first to admitt, he's no journalist, he does not pretend to be one in real life, or on TV ... unlike CNN, ABC, NPR, and most of those on TV now days.

He is an opinion guy, who backs up his sources, have you noticed, that folks here attempt to go after him, because what he says generally can be backed up -- go after his ideas, if you know enough about him, or the subject.

Yeah he is supremely intelligent and informed. Such as the time on his show (on Earth Day) that he compared CO2 emissions and the greenhouse effect to him breathing, sarcastically saying he was ruining the planet. He obviously possesses zero understanding of science, has obviously not read a single scientific study on the matter, and is, for lack of a better term, just a prick. But damnit, he loves his country and freedom. So much so, that he will cry on national TV about the results of the democratic process.

And I don't stand up for our "news" companies, but if we want to know why they have slipped to the level they have, we have to look in the mirror. Most people don't give a rat's ass about the truth about global warming or the health reform, or Iraq, or anything else. We like to hear what we want to hear in a short segment so that we can find out what's going on with Jon and Kate. Because that is a true national priority. :oyvey:

[footstepsfrom#27]

Or the take home message is: you better not arrest one of the president's friends...
Arrest him for what? Being offended and expressing your displeasure is not illegal. Calling a cop a racist is not illegal. I'm tired of seeing cops use the power to arrest people who aren't' violating the law but merely challenging their egos. Nothing the cops claim he did is illegal...and of course their credibility is now so in doubt after the release of the 911 and dispatch tapes we have no idea what else they doctored in the police report. The real message is that not even a top flight academic scholar, a bookish older man who walks with a cane...is safe from the cops in his own home if he's black. Good for Obama for calling them out...I only wish he hadn't backed up. He was right from the start in what he said.
What I do wonder is -- if I guy is acting out, like he was -- what should the cop do at that point?
Dude...this is not a trick question so stop making it one. Neither the 911 tape or the dispatch tape reveal that Gates was yelling, and even if he was all they had to do was leave...once they knew he lived there, they had no excuse to stay...NONE. Cops are not gods...they're civil SERVANTS and not immune from criticism. If Gates thought he was being disrespected, he had a right to say so. Whether he did so nicely or not...nobody knows. But that's got nothing to do with the point. He was breaking no laws, dangerous to nobody. The arrest was simply the wrong decision...yes, it was STUPID.
Like many at the top of this adminstration, there are two sets of rules. Once the President gets involved in a matter like this one, the police know that the media will circle the wagons, and the police: a black man, a hispanic and a white guy's fate will be decided by the real powers that be --
Spare me. Was the cop even disciplined? No. Was he charged with anything? No. His "fate" is nothing more than his 15 minutes of fame. And yeah...it's a good thing that we have both a media that doesn't like the idea of rogue cops running wild and a president who can use his influence to address an issue of race where we've failed to do so in the past from the executive branch. Obama had a RIGHT to his opinion and frankly I'm glad he gave it. It's about time we started letting him be not just a president but a black president as well. I think he's done a masterful job of addressing concerns on all sides.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Yeah he is supremely intelligent and informed. Such as the time on his show (on Earth Day) that he compared CO2 emissions and the greenhouse effect to him breathing, sarcastically saying he was ruining the planet. He obviously possesses zero understanding of science, has obviously not read a single scientific study on the matter, and is, for lack of a better term, just a prick. But damnit, he loves his country and freedom. So much so, that he will cry on national TV about the results of the democratic process.

And I don't stand up for our "news" companies, but if we want to know why they have slipped to the level they have, we have to look in the mirror. Most people don't give a rat's ass about the truth about global warming or the health reform, or Iraq, or anything else. We like to hear what we want to hear in a short segment so that we can find out what's going on with Jon and Kate. Because that is a true national priority. :oyvey:
Beck's no authority on anything. He's a carnival barker, a circus showman like his pals Limbaugh and Hannity. All these talk show guys are cut from the same cloth. Beck was a college drop out whose been an admitted alcoholic and substance abuser, gone through at least one failed marriage and essentially landed on his feet with radio because he's good at his schtick and he draws listeners. That's always the key...do they draw an audience, not whether they're knowledgeable or not.

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Actually, in terms of his feelings about a hands off approach to government -- I think you may have much in common with him.

Not really.

Beck is a dick.

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Again, facts can be pesky things -- that hurt more to those who are willing to over-look a current president's statements and actions because of policies. I dont think I would have done the same thing with Bush, if he had done the same things (if I could verify the source.) We are talking about Obama's own words, and admitted actions in several cases. Obama chose someone as his personal pastor -- not a distant Pope, to baptise his children, and to teach him, and his children about sacred things, and did so for twenty years? His "typical white person" statement, I also found offensive.

Wright's words I think most Americans black and white, find offensive, if one removes the words white with black, and if a McCain were to say the exact same things in reverse, on a few occasions, McCain would have been run out of town. Do we excuse racist things from a minority group or a president from that group because of past injustices? Appearently the answer is yes.

Lets not forget that McCain also had a right-wing radical extremist religous Leader by the name Rev Hagan, who was out in left field.

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It's a testimony the solid job Obama's done so far than the best his detractors an do is talk about who his preacher was. That's really one of the dumbest arguments I've seen yet.

Jeremiah Wright...cripes this silly story's got more lives than a cat. Who cares? Wright might be inflammatory in his speech, but he raised points many others have raised that deserve consideration since he's essentially simply offering some analysis on our behavior as a nation. That's what ministers DO...offer a moral compass from which to observe ourselves in a mirror. The fact that some don't agree with his opinion...is meaningless. Besides...who gives a damn what he said in a sermon anyway...especially one 3 minute segment pulled from hundreds of his messages and used to promote sound bites? Regan listened to his wife and she consulted a psychic. Bush sold his soul to Wall Street...whose got the real problem here?

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Again, facts can be pesky things -- that hurt more to those who are willing to over-look a current president's statements and actions because of policies. I dont think I would have done the same thing with Bush, if he had done the same things (if I could verify the source.) We are talking about Obama's own words, and admitted actions in several cases. Obama chose someone as his personal pastor -- not a distant Pope, to baptise his children, and to teach him, and his children about sacred things, and did so for twenty years? His "typical white person" statement, I also found offensive.

Wright's words I think most Americans black and white, find offensive, if one removes the words white with black, and if a McCain were to say the exact same things in reverse, on a few occasions, McCain would have been run out of town. Do we excuse racist things from a minority group or a president from that group because of past injustices? Appearently the answer is yes.

So, you're directly comparing what someone Obama knew said to what McCain would've said directly.

What if someone McCain knew said things that were equally offensive?

Oh, SNAP, that happened. And you have and are ignoring it. I'll let you decipher why that is.

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So, you're directly comparing what someone Obama knew said to what McCain would've said directly.

What if someone McCain knew said things that were equally offensive?

Oh, SNAP, that happened. And you have and are ignoring it. I'll let you decipher why that is.
Exactly. And McCain only linked up with Hagee to court favor with the RR, not because he buys his message. Hagge's a nut case...where was the GOP protest over him?

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Exactly. And McCain only linked up with Hagee to court favor with the RR, not because he buys his message. Hagge's a nut case...where was the GOP protest over him?

Yeah, true.

But in fairness, Obama likely hooked up w/ Wright because of his political connections too. Or, at least, that p'bly played a part in it in their relationship.

It's politics. They are politicians after all. But that doesn't mean - even though this has happened w/ almost every politician ever - that anything Rev. Wright says is what Obama believes (how ridiculous).

That's just - if I may give my opinion here - hating the black guy first then looking for a 'mainstream' reason to support that. I dream for the day when peeps who want to oppose him can oppose him in the George Will way. A conservative philosphy is good for the debate. The - you know what - is not.

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FOX news should report it -- he was on the same police force right, but not directly involved in the Gates arrest, correct?
No...Boston not Cambridge.

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Yeah, true.

But in fairness, Obama likely hooked up w/ Wright because of his political connections too. Or, at least, that p'bly played a part in it in their relationship.
That could be true but I don't think in the way you might envision. Obama had attended church there since his days as a community organizer, and like the vast majority of black churches...especially in the inner city...Wright's church was involved in what we would term "political" activism. However I would virtually guarantee you they see what we call "politics" as part of a spiritual mission.
It's politics. They are politicians after all. But that doesn't mean - even though this has happened w/ almost every politician ever - that anything Rev. Wright says is what Obama believes (how ridiculous).
The black church minister has been the central mover and shaker in the civil rights movement for over 200 years. In the 1850 protest against the federal Fugitive Slave Act it was ministers in Syracuse NY that launched the first initiatives of civil disobedience to halt it; an effort that came to include white churches as well. That's continued all the way down through King and now Jackson plus hundreds of lesser known men perceived as the prism through which civil rights thinking has turned on moral hinges. It's absurd to think Obama planned his association with Wright in hopes of some future run at the presidency...more likely he was attracted to the inner city Chicago connections that Wright knew who would position him in local issues. There's nothing wrong with that, and in fact it's simply smart to position yourself into a network where he could do the most good. He had a law degree he could easily have used to make a lot more money than he was as a community organizer and so if he chose Wright in part for career aspirations, to me that simply tells me the man was savvy enough to recognize a calling in his life instead of just pursuing the almighty dollar.
That's just - if I may give my opinion here - hating the black guy first then looking for a 'mainstream' reason to support that. I dream for the day when peeps who want to oppose him can oppose him in the George Will way. A conservative philosophy is good for the debate. The - you know what - is not.
No doubt you're correct. Wrights style, approach and passionate approach combined with his rhetoric disturb white voters but I grew up in a very conservative white evangelical church...fundamental Baptists in fact, which are primary subscribers to the RR philosophy...do you know how many times I heard ministers preach that America was going to hell? That God was going to reign judgment on her for abortion, or teaching evolution, or eliminating prayer in the schools, allowing pornography or worshiping material wealth? Wright's issues are mostly different than these...for that the white church and its RR voters will term him a racist hate monger, but only because the white church has never understood that what they term "social" issues...racism, poverty, inner city crime, unwed 13 year old mothers...these things are considered MORAL issues by black Christians.

They are right...they ARE moral issues because they are the poison fruit of a race based system that was entrenched for 3 centuries on this continent and this follows the scriptural principle; you reap what you sow. Sowing hate and fear, genocidal terror, the destruction of another people...those are ALL things that were judged in the nation of Israel throughout the Old Testament on moral grounds. Israel collectively and also her individual kings like David were judged for bringing bloodshed on other people as were the surrounding nations.

Black churches see this continuation in modern era slavery and it's extenuating after effects...based on the same patterns for judgment and deliverance...the Exodus from Egyptian slavery being the primary comparative context. That resulted in the ultimate judgment; overthrow of a nation and deliverance from the oppressor in the process. The parallels are strong...and this is why politics IS moral to African Americans in the evangelical church. Every white fundamentalist or evangelical church I’ve ever been in spiritualized the context of the Exodus from Egypt and ignored the immediate physical lessons in social reality. A favorite saying I heard growing up in the white church was, this; If god doesn’t judge America he’ll have to resurrect Sodom and Gomorrah to apologize. All Jeremiah Wright did was take this same argument from the perspective of the Exodus slaves as opposed to the Egyptian slave masters. His politics strike fear in the heart of white conservatives because they don’t even realize their own churches preached the same message without the political edge.