View Full Version : How many think this administration does not want to "fix" anything?
I hate to think it, but with almost every action Obama has made is the exact opposite thing that would turn the economy around.
He says Bush over spent, but speeds up spending?
Obama wants to take over as much as the private sector as possible, not to save money or create jobs, but to grab power and take the money from that sector and put it elsewhere (into government controlled jobs.) When private sector jobs are lost, it would make healthcare that much easier to pass wouldn’t it?
If the government controls healthcare, what will it be able to tell you to do?
As the government gives money to states, what state rights will it usurp?
last week the administration lets a banking institution fail that (the fourth largest one from what I understand) that lent to small and medium sized businesses? Why would he bail out those other big boys, but not the one that lends to small business? Because small business cant be as easily controlled?
Lost jobs means he has the chance to change our system forever, into something our forefathers would be ashamed of. It means he has the crisis to create more dependants and votes/serfs – so congrats on your new king. Vote him out and the “system” he set will be inherited by the next big business puppet.
Rigs11
07-27-2009, 04:09 PM
bad news for the rightards.
Housing sales are up.
The Dow is over 9000 and climbing.
Unemployment claims are down.
other countries opinion of the US are up.
The party of No is doomed.
frerottenextelway
07-27-2009, 04:16 PM
Gaffney has competition.
spdirty
07-27-2009, 10:32 PM
bad news for the rightards.
Housing sales are up.
The Dow is over 9000 and climbing.
Unemployment claims are down.
other countries opinion of the US are up.
The party of No is doomed.
settle down there hippie. All that will change once he gets can n trade, stimulus 3, and castro health care passed.
Bronco_Beerslug
07-28-2009, 05:07 AM
settle down there hippie. All that will change once he gets can n trade, stimulus 3, and castro health care passed.It's just about completely unanimous in the economic and business world that healthcare has to be reformed ASAP. Doing nothing on all 3 of these issues you mention is completely irresponsible and asinine. You guys on the right better get use to the idea that you have become the minority voice in America and the majority of people recognize and admit our problems and want them solved.
TailgateNut
07-28-2009, 06:37 AM
bad news for the rightards.
Housing sales are up.
The Dow is over 9000 and climbing.
Unemployment claims are down.
other countries opinion of the US are up.
The party of No is doomed.
They would prefer if they economy stayed in the tank. Then they could truly call the dem administration a failure. They could once again run with their negative nancy campaign and gather the flock based on some religious/ moral issue.
atomicbloke
07-28-2009, 06:49 AM
settle down there hippie. All that will change once he gets can n trade, stimulus 3, and castro health care passed.
Face it idiot, people of your ilk are a dying breed.
The American people spoke last November, and spoke decisively.
Deal with it.
Your country doesn't want you anymore.
spdirty
07-28-2009, 07:12 AM
They would prefer if they economy stayed in the tank. Then they could truly call the dem administration a failure. They could once again run with their negative nancy campaign and gather the flock based on some religious/ moral issue.
If the economy tanks, then our dream of me, my old man, and my sister living in nice, completely paid for houses dies. Weighing the options of economy tanking so the gop can get back power or the 3 issues I mentioned failing so the economy will get back on track and the family business can go back to making money, even if the demoncats take credit for the economy, Id choose the latter.
Probably the only ones who might fit into your idiotic description are a small percentage of the ones who are pretty much set financially.
Its like me hoping to lose my house and be put onto the street so republicans can win an election. Stupid as usual.
spdirty
07-28-2009, 07:17 AM
It's just about completely unanimous in the economic and business world that healthcare has to be reformed ASAP. Doing nothing on all 3 of these issues you mention is completely irresponsible and asinine. You guys on the right better get use to the idea that you have become the minority voice in America and the majority of people recognize and admit our problems and want them solved.
What the **** makes you think that any of those 3 would help the economy and not kill it?
Spider
07-28-2009, 07:38 AM
I hate to think it, No you dont , in fact you love to think this way .. but with almost every action Obama has made is the exact opposite thing that would turn the economy around. And that will be your little secret , the rest of us know better
He says Bush over spent, but speeds up spending? So far it is working .....
Obama wants to take over as much as the private sector as possible, not to save money or create jobs, but to grab power and take the money from that sector and put it elsewhere (into government controlled jobs.) When private sector as it , jobs are lost, it would make healthcare that much easier to pass wouldn’t it? Rumor has it that Obama made sex tape with himself and Hilldog , and Obama eats white babies .. of course these are just rumors .......
If the government controls healthcare, what will it be able to tell you to do? Same thing the insurance companies do now , wear seatbelt , eat healthy etc ............
As the government gives money to states, what state rights will it usurp? pst ,over here .......(wispering) The Gov has been giving the states money for decades now ........Medicade , Medicare , ........
last week the administration lets a banking institution fail that (the fourth largest one from what I understand) that lent to small and medium sized businesses? Why would he bail out those other big boys, but not the one that lends to small business? Because small business cant be as easily controlled? Now see this just pisses people off , half truths and lies , there was conditions to the tarp , Alot of Big guys didnt like the conditions so they didnt take the money
Lost jobs means he has the chance to change our system forever, into something our forefathers would be ashamed of. It means he has the crisis to create more dependants and votes/serfs – so congrats on your new king. Vote him out and the “system” he set will be inherited by the next big business puppet.
Hm now that you mention it .........Obama was not at the Jackson funeral ....
Garcia Bronco
07-28-2009, 08:08 AM
What the **** makes you think that any of those 3 would help the economy and not kill it?
That's the issue. I think majority wants healthcare costs down. Well how do you do that? The people upfront have to take less money pure and simple and unless we are going to make medical professionals employee's of the state and pay them a fixed salary I don't see how that's going to be accomplished. People complain about an insurance company being in our way, what's the difference if government is in the way or both?
Spider
07-28-2009, 08:14 AM
That's the issue. I think majority wants healthcare costs down. Well how do you do that? The people upfront have to take less money pure and simple and unless we are going to make medical professionals employee's of the state and pay them a fixed salary I don't see how that's going to be accomplished. People complain about an insurance company being in our way, what's the difference if government is in the way or both?
LOL you cant be serious ....... remember that thread about Ins. Companies ripping us off ?
government doesnt rip us off , they may misspend , go off on crazy ideas , but we are not ripped off , nor will the government drop our coverage if we get sick ......
Hotrod
07-28-2009, 08:17 AM
I'm sick of this **** I say we nuke the mother ****ers
Garcia Bronco
07-28-2009, 08:19 AM
LOL you cant be serious ....... remember that thread about Ins. Companies ripping us off ?
government doesnt rip us off , they may misspend , go off on crazy ideas , but we are not ripped off , nor will the government drop our coverage if we get sick ......
Don't be naive. If you are no longer economically viable to the Government you'll be expelled. It happens everywhere that has socialized medicine or universal healthcare.
What we need is regulation in what can and cannot be in the contract. Like your triplets. There is no way on God's Green earth that a doctor, hospital, or insurance compnay should have even broached the subject of only having two because of the risk of having three. Government should be the arbitrator not the other end of the contract. And that's how we start to fix it. Who do you appeal to when the Governemnt has made a decision about your healthcare? No one. Who can you appeal to when a hospital or insurance company puts the screws to you regarding your healthcare? You can appeal to the government.
Bronco_Beerslug
07-28-2009, 08:20 AM
What the **** makes you think that any of those 3 would help the economy and not kill it?You didn't read my post apparently. I stated those issues HAVE to be addressed, to do nothing will surely keep our economy sinking.
Spider
07-28-2009, 08:22 AM
Don't be naive. If you are no longer economically viable to the Government you'll be expelled. It happens everywhere that has socialized medicine or universal healthcare.
What we need is regulation in what can and cannot be in the contract. Like your triplets. There is no way on God's Green earth that a doctor, hospital, or insurance compnay should have even broached the subject of only having two because of the risk of having three. Government should be the arbitrator not the other end of the contract. And that's how we start to fix it. Who do you appeal to when the Governemnt has made a decision about your healthcare? No one. Who can you appeal to when a hospital or insurance company puts the screws to you regarding your healthcare? You can appeal to the government.
:rofl: whatever you say ............ really doesnt explain the people I know that never worked and get healthcare from the government now .... But hey ....
Rigs11
07-28-2009, 08:27 AM
settle down there hippie. All that will change once he gets can n trade, stimulus 3, and castro health care passed.
settle down? Because OUR country is showing signs of recovery?You rightards make me sick.
spdirty
07-28-2009, 08:28 AM
You didn't read my post apparently. I stated those issues HAVE to be addressed, to do nothing will surely keep our economy sinking.
SO WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!!!!!!! Oh howd those bailouts work out?
spdirty
07-28-2009, 08:33 AM
Face it idiot, people of your ilk are a dying breed.
The American people spoke last November, and spoke decisively.
Deal with it.
Your country doesn't want you anymore.
oh they'll come crawlin back like kittens who were out all night and are wet, hungry, and half dead. Trust me. Buyers remorse is already starting to set in.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
spdirty
07-28-2009, 08:36 AM
settle down? Because OUR country is showing signs of recovery?You rightards make me sick.
Yeah, settle down dork. YOUR president, with the help of congress and senate, is HOPING to CHANGE the recovery with the 3 issues they are trying to slam through. But then, your gonna keep following him in your dope induced haze like he's peter pan.
kappys
07-28-2009, 08:40 AM
That's the issue. I think majority wants healthcare costs down. Well how do you do that? The people upfront have to take less money pure and simple and unless we are going to make medical professionals employee's of the state and pay them a fixed salary I don't see how that's going to be accomplished. People complain about an insurance company being in our way, what's the difference if government is in the way or both?
Out of curiousity in your scheme who has to take less money?
Rohirrim
07-28-2009, 09:08 AM
SO WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!!!!!!! Oh howd those bailouts work out?
You should be grateful for those bailouts. They kept this country from going over the cliff. We'll have to see how phase two goes.
Garcia Bronco
07-28-2009, 09:13 AM
Out of curiousity in your scheme who has to take less money?
I said it. Medical personal. The end result of Universal Healthcare is Socialized Medicine because the taxpayer won't be able to sustain a system by which the Governemnt just takes the place of insurance companies. But medical personal won't be the only ones. Medical supplies, equipment, and pharma will also have to take less. For every debit there must be a credit and for every credit there must be a debit. Medicare, Medicaid, SS, SCHP, and the VA already consume over 50 percent of our budget under the current conditions and are insolvent. What happens when the medical personal operates under the same pay model and the government is the payer? We'll have to make another change and it will be socialized medicine.
TailgateNut
07-28-2009, 09:14 AM
You should be grateful for those bailouts. They kept this country from going over the cliff. We'll have to see how phase two goes.
He's just pissed because his company was not able to capitalize on any of the contracts awarded with stimulus funding.
I guess I should be pissed also:spit:, because we haven't landed any lucrative federal funded contracts. But I'm not an UPTIGHT RIGHTY like Spdirty.
Rigs11
07-28-2009, 09:57 AM
The recovery must be really getting to spdirty, he keeps having to edit his posts.
barryr
07-28-2009, 10:09 AM
Oh, I see. When the economy was bad, it was Bush's fault and nothing that Obama wanted had kicked in. But all of a sudden, when numbers go a little up, it was Obama who was responsible. Great reasoning going on. Unemployment claims are down? So lets see the list of fantastic jobs that have been created lately. I'd like to see them. But oh, don't tell me another "fact" that can't be proven, same as all the jobs that Obama says he saved, which conveniently could never be proven either way.
When Bush spent a ton of money, it was bad. Obama wants to spend even more and now that's good.
Loks like quite a few got their "education" at Univ. of Colorado and took Ward Churchill courses to get their "informed" opinions.
bad news for the rightards.
Housing sales are up.
The Dow is over 9000 and climbing.
Unemployment claims are down.
other countries opinion of the US are up.
The party of No is doomed.
Bad news for AMERICANS, houndreds of thousands of jobs are being lost, national spending is increasing, and personal Liberties are being lost, right or left should not enjoy those things, unless of course power is the real objective.
It's just about completely unanimous in the economic and business world that healthcare has to be reformed ASAP. Doing nothing on all 3 of these issues you mention is completely irresponsible and asinine. You guys on the right better get use to the idea that you have become the minority voice in America and the majority of people recognize and admit our problems and want them solved.
Reformed, tweaked and adjusted, sure -- destroyed, Socialized, and raped, not so much.
Rigs11
07-28-2009, 11:43 AM
Bad news for AMERICANS, houndreds of thousands of jobs are being lost, national spending is increasing, and personal Liberties are being lost, right or left should not enjoy those things, unless of course power is the real objective.
tell me american bob, is there some sort of magic switch that the prez can pull that will instantly stop job losses?
Spider
07-28-2009, 12:21 PM
Bad news for AMERICANS, houndreds of thousands of jobs are being lost, national spending is increasing, and personal Liberties are being lost, right or left should not enjoy those things, unless of course power is the real objective.
what liberties have you personally lost ?
I know I lost one under Bush , I can flat out tell you what it was in a heart beat , I am just wondering if you can do the same
cutthemdown
07-28-2009, 12:37 PM
I'm worried about the dollar hitting a 2009 low recently. Really it's all about the dollar and inflation. If the dollar keeps dropping, and inflation rears its head, it could get bumpy.
Rigs11
07-28-2009, 01:11 PM
What gets me is repubs are ready to pass judgement on the economy 6 months into obama's term, and yet screamed and belly ached that we could not set a timeline for Iraq.So let me get this straight, rebuilding Iraq can take as long as it does and yet the economy in our country can only take 6 months? We can go into debt by going to war in other countries but heaven forbid we go into debt by bailing out our corporations here? Palin keeps screaming about socialism and yet in alaska the people own the rights to the oil, which isn't socialism?Silly really.
Rohirrim
07-28-2009, 01:28 PM
Reformed, tweaked and adjusted, sure -- destroyed, Socialized, and raped, not so much.
The rightard reliance on fear mongering is really getting tiresome. And extremely non-productive.
spdirty
07-28-2009, 03:33 PM
He's just pissed because his company was not able to capitalize on any of the contracts awarded with stimulus funding.
I guess I should be pissed also:spit:, because we haven't landed any lucrative federal funded contracts. But I'm not an UPTIGHT RIGHTY like Spdirty.
No, a couple of our idiotic competitors realized that it isnt a good thing to bid jobs at or below cost, so we've been able to pick up about 150K worth of work for later this year/next year over the last week, so at least we got a healthy backlog.
And thank God for Wal Mart. Got a nice lil lucrative project with them today.
But you are right in one aspect. I wouldnt be so ****in critical of hope n change if we were able to land a few contracts at twice or triple our normal numbers, like a few cheese and pork processors have. Then Id be able to come on here and brag about how your taxes are filling my pockets, and how great hope n change worked out for me.
spdirty
07-28-2009, 03:34 PM
The rightard reliance on fear mongering is really getting tiresome. And extremely non-productive.
kinda like how we have to pass health care before the august recess, cuz Barry reads letters from poor Americans whining about their health care.
spdirty
07-28-2009, 03:43 PM
The rightard reliance on fear mongering is really getting tiresome. And extremely non-productive.
Oh, also, global warming. Thats not fear mongering right? Yeah, you guys never ever ever ever EVER fearmonger right?
“We only have 96 months left to save the planet.”
Apg_prince_charles_090720_wmain It's not just Al Gore and arrogant American politicians who peddle fear to the gullible chattering classes. I’m indebted to Mark Steyn for pointing out that His Royal Highness the Prince of Wales makes very specific predictions too.
"I'm impressed. 96 months. Not 95. Not 97. July 2017. Put it in your diary. Usually the warm-mongers stick to the same old drone that we only have 10 years left to save the planet. Nice round number. Former Vice President Al Gore said we only have 10 years left 3 1/2 years ago, which makes him technically more of a pessimist than the Prince of Wales."
"'Time is running out to deal with climate change,' Steven Guilbeault of Greenpeace said in 2006. 'Ten years ago, we thought we had a lot of time.'"
"Really? Ten years ago, we had a lot of time? Funny, that's not the way I remember it. ('Time is running out for the climate,' said Chris Rose of Greenpeace in 1997.) So what's to blame for this eternally looming rendezvous with the iceberg of apocalypse? As the British newspaper the Independent reported:
"'Capitalism and consumerism have brought the world to the brink of economic and environmental collapse, the Prince of Wales has warned... And in a searing indictment on capitalist society, Charles said we can no longer afford consumerism and that the 'age of convenience' was over.'"
"He then got in his limo and was driven to his other palace."
"....In the old days, we didn't have these kinds of problems. But then Mr. and Mrs. Peasant started remodeling the hovel, adding a rec room and indoor plumbing..."
"When it was just medieval dukes swanking about like that, the planet worked fine. That was "sustainable" consumerism. But now the masses want in. Once you allow that, there goes the global neighborhood."
Steyn’s bottom line:
"Capitalism is liberating: You're born a peasant, but you don't have to die one. You can work hard and get a nice place in the suburbs..."
"Environmentalism opposes that kind of mobility. It seeks to return us to the age of kings, when the masses were restrained by a privileged elite...” or "....gilded princelings of the government apparatus -- President Obama, Rep. Barney Frank and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi."
http://blogs.abcnews.com/johnstossel/2009/07/we-only-have-96-months-left-to-save-the-planet.html
frerottenextelway
07-28-2009, 03:56 PM
I'm worried about the dollar hitting a 2009 low recently. Really it's all about the dollar and inflation. If the dollar keeps dropping, and inflation rears its head, it could get bumpy.
Hilarious!
Bronco_Beerslug
07-28-2009, 04:44 PM
SO WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!!!!!!! Oh howd those bailouts work out?It's clear you have no understanding of economics making this stupid remark. If the financial institutions were allowed to fall, everything goes in the black hole with them. Most people with a basic education understand this.
rastaman
07-28-2009, 05:20 PM
What gets me is repubs are ready to pass judgement on the economy 6 months into obama's term, and yet screamed and belly ached that we could not set a timeline for Iraq.So let me get this straight, rebuilding Iraq can take as long as it does and yet the economy in our country can only take 6 months? We can go into debt by going to war in other countries but heaven forbid we go into debt by bailing out our corporations here? Palin keeps screaming about socialism and yet in alaska the people own the rights to the oil, which isn't socialism?Silly really.
Great points Rigs.....I noticed our esteemed GOP colleagues have nothing to say in response. It proves they believe you're RIGHT!
tell me american bob, is there some sort of magic switch that the prez can pull that will instantly stop job losses?
No magic switch, but his actions will speed up job losses if he thinks the government will create jobs that are not based in self-interest, and a need to create a profit.
The rightard reliance on fear mongering is really getting tiresome. And extremely non-productive.
Is it possible that some of the problems with healthcare are connected to previous government involvement, rather than not enough?
what liberties have you personally lost ?
I know I lost one under Bush , I can flat out tell you what it was in a heart beat , I am just wondering if you can do the same
As I do not own a car dealership, as I do not smoke, as I am not a plummer who asked the wrong question, as I am not a cop, as I am not a CEO, I have not personally lost any freedom -- perhaps. Liberty is almost always taken in dripps and drabs.
Is it better to loose freedoms if your a Dem -- if a Dem is the president? No, but it becomes harder to see.
If it better for an R to loose incrimental Liberties if an R is a president? Nope, but we make excuses as he is on our team.
Here are some likely issues:
1. If we continue to spend money at our pace, I believe that directly affects my ability to persue happiness, as it saddles my children and me with debt we cannot pay unless we create inflation and will tie our monitary system to more countries, as the "only way out." Again, something our founders warned against.
2. If sales taxes are added to more undesirable products, drip, drip.
3. If changes to gun laws are put into place (and do we have these rights to protect our hunting heritage, or from a tyranical government?)
4. If the fairness doctrine (in some contrived manner is implimented) I guess I get to listen to state run TV, oh, boy!
5. If cap & trade is passed I will pay more in fuel
6. If Acorn is involved in the census, my voice will be weakened
7. If healthcare is passed I believe there is a real possibility that it will impact my employment.
Obama has been president for how long? How many things on this list will he get to before he turns these increased powers to an R?
What gets me is repubs are ready to pass judgement on the economy 6 months into obama's term, and yet screamed and belly ached that we could not set a timeline for Iraq.So let me get this straight, rebuilding Iraq can take as long as it does and yet the economy in our country can only take 6 months? We can go into debt by going to war in other countries but heaven forbid we go into debt by bailing out our corporations here? Palin keeps screaming about socialism and yet in alaska the people own the rights to the oil, which isn't socialism?Silly really.
She also believes in cap and trade...
kinda like how we have to pass health care before the august recess, cuz Barry reads letters from poor Americans whining about their health care.
One real reason for the rush of almost everytyhing this president does is that if his ideas are examined (or if the bills are actually read) the more truth is revealed. And the more Americans are against radically changing it. Why do so many world leaders come here for healthcare, and not Cuba? Hmmm, I wonder?
footstepsfrom#27
07-28-2009, 06:38 PM
One real reason for the rush of almost everytyhing this president does is that if his ideas are examined (or if the bills are actually read) the more truth is revealed. And the more Americans are against radically changing it. Why do so many world leaders come here for healthcare, and not Cuba? Hmmm, I wonder?
So which bills have you read Bob? You make a point of telling us what happens if you examine them so I know you've done so...right? You comment on health care, so here's the HR 3200 bill...all 1018 pages:
http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf
Please tell me which of the Obama initiatives you've examined in bill form, and the specific basis of your complaints from the texts you've read, not what you've read or heard on Fox News.
If you don't mind...
Rohirrim
07-28-2009, 07:57 PM
Is it possible that some of the problems with healthcare are connected to previous government involvement, rather than not enough?
I'm sure the Right is not actually engaging in fear mongering. I mean, that wouldn't be ethical:
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footstepsfrom#27
07-28-2009, 08:17 PM
I'm sure the Right is not actually engaging in fear mongering. I mean, that wouldn't be ethical:
LOL ...Obama wants to kill seniors. :olddude: :punched:
Hilarious!
Honesty I am curious, when it does happen if you will be honest enough for one moment of introspection? Nope, but I can hope.
I'm sure the Right is not actually engaging in fear mongering. I mean, that wouldn't be ethical:
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Not my point....you assume that more government will make it better -- I say, show me how most of the time it does? The more it gets involved, the worse it will get, and the more folks like you will shout -- we need less competition -- its the American way!
footstepsfrom#27
07-28-2009, 08:27 PM
Honesty I am curious, when it does happen if you will be honest enough for one moment of introspection? Nope, but I can hope.
How 'bout an answer to post #45 please?
Face it idiot, people of your ilk are a dying breed.
The American people spoke last November, and spoke decisively.
Deal with it.
Your country doesn't want you anymore.
But most polls are showing that we dont want healthcare from the government...
What does appear to be happening, is that folks still like Obama -- he's got a great personaility, and is well spoken -- but when asked about his policies, folks are incresaingly aware, that Obama is in left field.
We did want change and hope, but not an attack on the private sector.
Yeah, settle down dork. YOUR president, with the help of congress and senate, is HOPING to CHANGE the recovery with the 3 issues they are trying to slam through. But then, your gonna keep following him in your dope induced haze like he's peter pan.
OUR President, not only theirs -- WE voted for him. Dispite what I think of the man, he's still my president -- I just hope that he is able to listen to the majority of Americans who think America needs a tune-up and a return to rarely used ideas -- and that we do not want to be turned into a Yugo.
Talk about a "cash for clunkers" program, Obama is running.
footstepsfrom#27
07-28-2009, 09:22 PM
OUR President, not only theirs -- WE voted for him. Dispite what I think of the man, he's still my president -- I just hope that he is able to listen to the majority of Americans who think America needs a tune-up and a return to rarely used ideas -- and that we do not want to be turned into a Yugo.
Talk about a "cash for clunkers" program, Obama is running.
Bob...post #45...?
So which bills have you read Bob? You make a point of telling us what happens if you examine them so I know you've done so...right? You comment on health care, so here's the HR 3200 bill...all 1018 pages:
http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf
Please tell me which of the Obama initiatives you've examined in bill form, and the specific basis of your complaints from the texts you've read, not what you've read or heard on Fox News.
If you don't mind...
How many of those voting on the bills have read them? Based on the time given, the length of the bills, I dont think many have -- and considering what's at stake I dont think that is a radical expectation, do you?
I have not read any complete portions of thousand page bills, but I expect that those we respresent should be aware of the content -- I would think every American would expect it --
footstepsfrom#27
07-28-2009, 11:49 PM
How many of those voting on the bills have read them? Based on the time given, the length of the bills, I dont think many have -- and considering what's at stake I dont think that is a radical expectation, do you?
I have not read any complete portions of thousand page bills, but I expect that those we respresent should be aware of the content -- I would think every American would expect it --
I would expect any responsible member of Congress or the Senate to have an entire staff assigned to looking through the legislation much like paralegals review and research cases for attorneys, then brief them on the relevant portions by breaking it down, diagramming potential issues, analyzing controversial portions, etc... That's certainly how I would approach it if I were holding one of these offices.
But more to the point..how can you (or I) speak with authority on these issues if we've only built an opinion by listening to what the talking heads say? I've discovered they almost NEVER tell us the real truth. For business purposes I need to hold a rudimentary working knowledge of some of this stuff, so I'll be slowly digesting some of it over the next couple months...if you think about it, we do what's important to us, and most people who insist on a strong opinion on this are not willing to do that, but they could if they chose to.
We are a nation that wants others to do our thinking for us. Then when we don't get what we expect we wonder what went wrong. Do you realize the opportunities and the ability to mobilize your opinions into action just by doing nothing more than being independently informed?
I would expect any responsible member of Congress or the Senate to have an entire staff assigned to looking through the legislation much like paralegals review and research cases for attorneys, then brief them on the relevant portions by breaking it down, diagramming potential issues, analyzing controversial portions, etc... That's certainly how I would approach it if I were holding one of these offices.
But more to the point..how can you (or I) speak with authority on these issues if we've only built an opinion by listening to what the talking heads say? I've discovered they almost NEVER tell us the real truth. For business purposes I need to hold a rudimentary working knowledge of some of this stuff, so I'll be slowly digesting some of it over the next couple months...if you think about it, we do what's important to us, and most people who insist on a strong opinion on this are not willing to do that, but they could if they chose to.
We are a nation that wants others to do our thinking for us. Then when we don't get what we expect we wonder what went wrong. Do you realize the opportunities and the ability to mobilize your opinions into action just by doing nothing more than being independently informed?
I agree, the only thing I would add is that I do not have a problem with representative government, that doesnt mean I am off the hook however...