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montrose
07-14-2009, 08:52 AM
Little fun here this Tuesday morning. If the 2008 Broncos were to face the 2009 Broncos, who do you think would win? We have the '08 Broncos led by Mike Shanahan or the '09 team led by Josh McDaniels. Think of the strategy differences, coaching matchups, cultural/team philosophies and personnel.

Jay Cutler leads the '08 Broncos offense with Selvin Young, Michael Pittman, Peyton Hillis and Tatum Bell in the backfield. Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal and Brandon Stokley are your receivers with Ryan Clady, Ben Hamilton, Casey Wiegmann, Chris Kuper and Ryan Harris on the OL. Daniel Graham and Tony Scheffler are your TEs. Shanahan and Jeremy Bates are expected to bring their patented zone blocking running scheme along with a heavy west coast passing attack.

Running the '08 Broncos defense is Bob Slowick with a DL of Ebenzer Ekuban, Elvis Dumervil, Marcus Thomas and Dewayne Robertson. The LB corps of DJ Williams, Nate Webster and Jamie Winborn joins a secondary of Champ Bailey, Marquand Manual, Josh Barrett, Dre' Bly and Josh Bell. Slowick's defense will primarily rush four while the secondary plays off-coverage.

McDaniels' and Mike McCoy's '09 Broncos offense is under the direction of Kyle Orton. Orton is protected by Clady, Hamilton, Wiegmann, Kuper and Harris. Knowshon Moreno, Peyton Hillis, Correll Buckhalter and LaMont Jordan are the running backs with Marshall, Royal, Stokley, Jabar Gaffney and Brandon Lloyd rounding out the WR corps. Graham and Scheffler are joined by Richard Quinn at TE. The '09 Broncos should run a spread attack with a 50-50 run/pass balance that features several screen passes, intermediate routes and check downs to the RB.

Mike Nolan heads up a 3-4 defense with Marcus Thomas, Ronald Fields and Kenny Peterson on the DL. Elvis Dumervil and Robert Ayers are the pass rushing OLBs with Andra Davis and DJ Williams inside. The secondary is comprised of Champ Bailey, Brian Dawkins, Andre Goodman, Renaldo Hill and Alphonso Smith. Nolan and his staff are expected to mix up their fronts and bring several blitzes to put pressure on the QB while primarily playing man-coverage as taught by new secondary coach Ed Donatell.

So who do you have in the Battle of Bowlen and why?

Gcver2ver3
07-14-2009, 09:09 AM
well the 08 Broncos start off strong scoring on the opening posession...

after that the 08 Broncos defense will allow the 09 Broncos to march right down the field but then due to a phantom offensive holding call, 09 will have to settle for 3...

the 08 Broncos will move the ball up and down the field but settle for a field goal and turn the ball over a couple times...

the 09 Broncos will gain momentum and break things open with a big punt return...

the 09 Broncos will score every possesion in the 2nd half...

the 08 Broncos will (while being blown out) pass every down and pile up a bunch of yards...

the 09 Broncos win 52-17...

and in the newspapers the following day it will be the defense that is blamed by all the experts...

Kaylore
07-14-2009, 09:10 AM
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/grenade.htm
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/Assets/grenade.jpg

TheDave
07-14-2009, 09:16 AM
2008... as bad as their defense was I think the offensive consistancy (system / coaching staff) and talent would pull it out (assuming we had a healthy Hillis at game time).

Right now I have absolutely no idea what this offense is going to look like or how they are going to jell. I think the defense will be better, but that isn't saying much.

Irish Stout
07-14-2009, 09:19 AM
I have to have optimism in the season ahead, every year, regardless of what happened last year, so we've got to beat those assholes from 2008!

If Buffalo can beat the Broncos of 08, then the Broncos of 09 should have no problem. Can I get a cheeseburger!

Popps
07-14-2009, 09:20 AM
Montrose... would the game be played at the beginning of the season or the end? (Respetively)

I guess I can just make it say that if it's in the first few games, definitely 08. If it's in the 2nd half, particularly later in the season... definitely 09.

We'll have a learning curve this year and a tough schedule. But, that tough schedule will also serve to get some of the hard-knocks out of the way, early. I expect this team to improve as the season goes on, not get worse like we've done the past several years.

Popps
07-14-2009, 09:22 AM
If Buffalo can beat the Broncos of 08, then the Broncos of 09 should have no problem.

I was just thinking that, too.

With the season on the line, we couldn't beat a barely average team, at home.


Perhaps it's optimism, but I'd like to think that by late this season, we can win that kind of game.

misturanderson
07-14-2009, 09:22 AM
After looking over that defensive lineup from last year, I would be hard pressed to say that the 2008 Broncos would have a chance of stopping an improved offense -Cutler +Orton.

If you had the LBers as DJ, Larsen and Woodyard I would maybe give them a shot, but unfortunately the defensive coaching staff last year had their heads too far up their asses to realize when low-round and undrafted rookies were outperforming veterans.

enjolras
07-14-2009, 09:23 AM
It depends:

Week 1 2008 Broncos win, by a lot. The offense just overpowers the young and inexperienced 2009 defense.

Week 17 2009 Broncos win, by a lot. The defense has gelled, the offense fully understands the system. The superior size and strength of the 2009 edition wears down the 2008 team and wins by two touchdowns.

vancejohnson82
07-14-2009, 09:27 AM
where is the game played?

if its in Denver the '08 team will apparently have home field advantage....Rev, Buff and the likes would be out in full force

montrose
07-14-2009, 09:30 AM
well the 08 Broncos start off strong scoring on the opening posession...

after that the 08 Broncos defense will allow the 09 Broncos to march right down the field but then due to a phantom offensive holding call, 09 will have to settle for 3...

the 08 Broncos will move the ball up and down the field but settle for a field goal and turn the ball over a couple times...

the 09 Broncos will gain momentum and break things open with a big punt return...

the 09 Broncos will score every possesion in the 2nd half...

the 08 Broncos will (while being blown out) pass every down and pile up a bunch of yards...

the 09 Broncos win 52-17...

and in the newspapers the following day it will be the defense that is blamed by all the experts...

LOL!!!!!!!!!

Montrose... would the game be played at the beginning of the season or the end?

Good question I debated saying end-of-the-year 2008 Broncos but felt that would make the poll seem biased so I included players who were injured during the season. I'd prefer to have the mentality of the end-of-the-year team (as I think it's most accurate to use the most recent progression) but I think you need to include the injured players. Make sense?

BroncoMan4ever
07-14-2009, 09:39 AM
i think the 08 Broncos had the more talented QB, but a weaker all around team, the 09 Broncos are bigger, stronger and a better team all around than the 08 team. 09 stomps 08

Ambiguous
07-14-2009, 09:42 AM
Assuming all players are healthy, you must mean the week 1-4 08 Denver Broncos, which would win.

In the last few weeks of 08 I don't think there were many NFL teams that couldn't beat them at home or on the road.

Popps
07-14-2009, 09:49 AM
LOL!!!!!!!!!



Good question I debated saying end-of-the-year 2008 Broncos but felt that would make the poll seem biased so I included players who were injured during the season. I'd prefer to have the mentality of the end-of-the-year team (as I think it's most accurate to use the most recent progression) but I think you need to include the injured players. Make sense?

Yea, I guess we could just say in game 8, to be fair. At that point, I think it' would be a total toss-up maybe with a slight edge still to 08.

montrose
07-14-2009, 10:13 AM
Turnovers, turnovers, turnovers. That's why I don't care if we get the early season '08 Broncos that beat up on shi**y defenses or the late one that got stomped out by all in it's path. The '08 Broncos led the league in turnovers and were amongst the worst teams in getting turnovers. Meanwhile the '09 Broncos are being coached to protect the ball offensively and make plays on it defensively. Look back to how McDaniels' offense kicked the tar out of the Broncos last season and you get an idea of what the gameplan would be.

'09 Broncos 28, '08 Broncos 17

Rabb
07-14-2009, 10:14 AM
excellent ****ing post!!

I would say based on the secondary upgrades alone, 2009 wins, plus Moreno and Hillis would kill the 2008 line

loborugger
07-14-2009, 10:18 AM
Why not wait until we have at least had training camp or pre-season game or some kind of indication of what the 2009 Broncos are before we speculate on.

MagicHef
07-14-2009, 10:21 AM
Would we get the chance to see Larsen block Larsen?

tsiguy96
07-14-2009, 10:27 AM
moreno and hillis combine for 300 yards rushing, orton adds 180 through the air and 2 TDs, one to royal one to bmarsh. 08 team gets destroyed.

worm
07-14-2009, 10:32 AM
Why not wait until we have at least had training camp or pre-season game or some kind of indication of what the 2009 Broncos are before we speculate on.

This argument is only to be used if you are attempting to question the 2009 Broncos off-season moves at this point.

Atlas
07-14-2009, 10:40 AM
Little fun here this Tuesday morning. If the 2008 Broncos were to face the 2009 Broncos, who do you think would win? We have the '08 Broncos led by Mike Shanahan or the '09 team led by Josh McDaniels. Think of the strategy differences, coaching matchups, cultural/team philosophies and personnel.

Jay Cutler leads the '08 Broncos offense with Selvin Young, Michael Pittman, Peyton Hillis and Tatum Bell in the backfield. Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal and Brandon Stokley are your receivers with Ryan Clady, Ben Hamilton, Casey Wiegmann, Chris Kuper and Ryan Harris on the OL. Daniel Graham and Tony Scheffler are your TEs. Shanahan and Jeremy Bates are expected to bring their patented zone blocking running scheme along with a heavy west coast passing attack.

Running the '08 Broncos defense is Bob Slowick with a DL of Ebenzer Ekuban, Elvis Dumervil, Marcus Thomas and Dewayne Robertson. The LB corps of DJ Williams, Nate Webster and Jamie Winborn joins a secondary of Champ Bailey, Marquand Manual, Josh Barrett, Dre' Bly and Josh Bell. Slowick's defense will primarily rush four while the secondary plays off-coverage.

McDaniels' and Mike McCoy's '09 Broncos offense is under the direction of Kyle Orton. Orton is protected by Clady, Hamilton, Wiegmann, Kuper and Harris. Knowshon Moreno, Peyton Hillis, Correll Buckhalter and LaMont Jordan are the running backs with Marshall, Royal, Stokley, Jabar Gaffney and Brandon Lloyd rounding out the WR corps. Graham and Scheffler are joined by Richard Quinn at TE. The '09 Broncos should run a spread attack with a 50-50 run/pass balance that features several screen passes, intermediate routes and check downs to the RB.

Mike Nolan heads up a 3-4 defense with Marcus Thomas, Ronald Fields and Kenny Peterson on the DL. Elvis Dumervil and Robert Ayers are the pass rushing OLBs with Andra Davis and DJ Williams inside. The secondary is comprised of Champ Bailey, Brian Dawkins, Andre Goodman, Renaldo Hill and Alphonso Smith. Nolan and his staff are expected to mix up their fronts and bring several blitzes to put pressure on the QB while primarily playing man-coverage as taught by new secondary coach Ed Donatell.

So who do you have in the Battle of Bowlen and why?

I think it comes down to who has homefield advantage.

fdf
07-14-2009, 10:57 AM
Little fun here this Tuesday morning. If the 2008 Broncos were to face the 2009 Broncos, who do you think would win? We have the '08 Broncos led by Mike Shanahan or the '09 team led by Josh McDaniels. Think of the strategy differences, coaching matchups, cultural/team philosophies and personnel.

Jay Cutler leads the '08 Broncos offense with Selvin Young, Michael Pittman, Peyton Hillis and Tatum Bell in the backfield. Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal and Brandon Stokley are your receivers with Ryan Clady, Ben Hamilton, Casey Wiegmann, Chris Kuper and Ryan Harris on the OL. Daniel Graham and Tony Scheffler are your TEs. Shanahan and Jeremy Bates are expected to bring their patented zone blocking running scheme along with a heavy west coast passing attack.

Running the '08 Broncos defense is Bob Slowick with a DL of Ebenzer Ekuban, Elvis Dumervil, Marcus Thomas and Dewayne Robertson. The LB corps of DJ Williams, Nate Webster and Jamie Winborn joins a secondary of Champ Bailey, Marquand Manual, Josh Barrett, Dre' Bly and Josh Bell. Slowick's defense will primarily rush four while the secondary plays off-coverage.

McDaniels' and Mike McCoy's '09 Broncos offense is under the direction of Kyle Orton. Orton is protected by Clady, Hamilton, Wiegmann, Kuper and Harris. Knowshon Moreno, Peyton Hillis, Correll Buckhalter and LaMont Jordan are the running backs with Marshall, Royal, Stokley, Jabar Gaffney and Brandon Lloyd rounding out the WR corps. Graham and Scheffler are joined by Richard Quinn at TE. The '09 Broncos should run a spread attack with a 50-50 run/pass balance that features several screen passes, intermediate routes and check downs to the RB.

Mike Nolan heads up a 3-4 defense with Marcus Thomas, Ronald Fields and Kenny Peterson on the DL. Elvis Dumervil and Robert Ayers are the pass rushing OLBs with Andra Davis and DJ Williams inside. The secondary is comprised of Champ Bailey, Brian Dawkins, Andre Goodman, Renaldo Hill and Alphonso Smith. Nolan and his staff are expected to mix up their fronts and bring several blitzes to put pressure on the QB while primarily playing man-coverage as taught by new secondary coach Ed Donatell.

So who do you have in the Battle of Bowlen and why?

The answer actually depends on whether the divisional title is on the line. If it is, the 2008 Broncos would lose to anyone.

broncosteven
07-14-2009, 11:05 AM
I am guessing the 2010 Broncos will wax the asses of both the 2008 and 2009 Broncos.

They may have a new HC and QB and a real D by then though.

broncofan2438
07-14-2009, 11:07 AM
I would say that if it were the Broncos from week 1 or 2 of last year, the '08 Broncos would have won.

But then again, we havent even seen the '09 Broncos in camp yt

gyldenlove
07-14-2009, 11:11 AM
Montrose... would the game be played at the beginning of the season or the end? (Respetively)

I guess I can just make it say that if it's in the first few games, definitely 08. If it's in the 2nd half, particularly later in the season... definitely 09.

We'll have a learning curve this year and a tough schedule. But, that tough schedule will also serve to get some of the hard-knocks out of the way, early. I expect this team to improve as the season goes on, not get worse like we've done the past several years.

That was my thought too, I think the opening day 08 Broncos would hammer the opening day 09 Broncos, but I think the picture will be reversed if looking at the week 17 teams.

footstepsfrom#27
07-14-2009, 11:13 AM
Depends on who has home field advantage.

broncosteven
07-14-2009, 11:16 AM
That was my thought too, I think the opening day 08 Broncos would hammer the opening day 09 Broncos, but I think the picture will be reversed if looking at the week 17 teams.

I just hope this years Opening day Broncos don't look like last years opening day Raiders.

Rabb
07-14-2009, 11:28 AM
why would home field make a difference?

we were 4-4 at home last year

footstepsfrom#27
07-14-2009, 11:37 AM
why would home field make a difference?

we were 4-4 at home last year
LOL

TheReverend
07-14-2009, 12:18 PM
Considering neither team will be able to get pressure against the offensive line, this one turns into a shoot-out.

Who wins the shoot-out between Cutler and Orton? Let me think.........

broncosteven
07-14-2009, 01:18 PM
Considering neither team will be able to get pressure against the offensive line, this one turns into a shoot-out.

Who wins the shoot-out between Cutler and Orton? Let me think.........

I like your take,

Just think it could be a one score game back and forth, teams trading scores all day long, Orton's Broncos take the lead with under 20 seconds to play they rejoice and pat each other on the back, plenty of Whoo Hoo's from the McStalin crowd.

Cutler has no timeouts, more rejoicing on the Orton side of the field!

Only to see a botched Squib kick and one long pass to the sidelines which stops the clock, Matt Prater makes his 1st ever Gamewinning FG, maybe his second, I am not up on Matt Prater stats.

Anyway Truth is stranger than fiction sometimes.

Mr. Elway
07-14-2009, 01:37 PM
Neckbeard looks all-pro against Slowick's awful execution. Hillis pounds the rock on both sides, but Nolan's more disciplined front 7 hold the line a little better. Marquand Manuel looks especially awful today. Larsen plays offense and defense for both teams impressing everyone with quantity if not quality of play. 08 Hillis gets hurt and Tatum Bell is not up to the task. Throwing darts, Cutler marches the team 80 yards at the end of the 4th for the go-ahead TD but Ayers makes a spectacular interception as Cutler tries to thread the needle. Ayers tries to celebrate but Cutler pushes him to the ground and makes an obscene gesture. The Mane suffers a server outage.

SouthStndJunkie
07-14-2009, 01:49 PM
I think the 2008 Denver Broncos, with Peyton Hillis starting at RB, would beat the 2009 Denver Broncos.

gyldenlove
07-14-2009, 01:52 PM
Just imagine how many positions Spencer Larsen would play in that game, I think he could make space-time collapse if he ended up tackling himself.

bronco_boi_5280
07-14-2009, 02:02 PM
http://www.threesources.com/archives/ditka-08.jpg

listopencil
07-14-2009, 04:25 PM
What if the 2009 Denver team was named...the Ditkas?

broncosteven
07-14-2009, 05:20 PM
What if the 2009 Denver team was named...the Ditkas?

Ditkas teams had a D, this one not so much...

Williams
07-14-2009, 07:02 PM
For all the criticism Bowlen and McDaniels have taken, they must have done something right. Nearly 3/4 of the fans agree our current roster tops last year's.

OBF1
07-14-2009, 07:08 PM
Where is the Montrose is acting like a doucebag option ??? We have not even had training camp yet..... Or did I miss it?

BroncsRule
07-14-2009, 08:01 PM
Depends on who has home field advantage.

I was thinking the same thing.. Is this game played in front of the 2008 Corporate, Bored, Whine & Cheese crowd?

Or the Rabid, Rowdy Blue Collar types that will be buying the whine & cheeser's tickets from scalpers for less than face value outside the stadium this year?

Ratboy
07-14-2009, 09:42 PM
I think 2008 would pull the win out. The offense knew the system and if on all cylinders, they would put up tons of points on 2009.

I am giving 2008 the edge due to the fact they knew the system.

Crushaholic
07-14-2009, 09:52 PM
What if the 2009 Denver team was named...the Ditkas?

'08 Broncos 3....Ditkas 999,456

DarkHorse30
07-15-2009, 10:11 AM
excellent ****ing post!!

I would say based on the secondary upgrades alone, 2009 wins, plus Moreno and Hillis would kill the 2008 line

Agreed. You can debate Cutler all day long, but it's that other 52 players and the coaches that make it go.

Breaker
07-15-2009, 02:02 PM
The 2008 USC Trojans

Rock Chalk
07-15-2009, 05:28 PM
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/grenade.htm
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/Assets/grenade.jpg

Hey man I didnt start this thread :)

Rock Chalk
07-15-2009, 05:33 PM
Considering neither team will be able to get pressure against the offensive line, this one turns into a shoot-out.

Who wins the shoot-out between Cutler and Orton? Let me think.........

PRoblem with your theory.

08 Broncos could try to play a shoot out but Cutler would turn the ball over in the red zone.

09 Broncos would play ball control and considering the 08 defense, would be able to score on every possession.

Advantage: 09 Broncos.

TheReverend
07-15-2009, 05:34 PM
PRoblem with your theory.

08 Broncos could try to play a shoot out but Cutler would turn the ball over in the red zone.

09 Broncos would play ball control and considering the 08 defense, would be able to score on every possession.

Advantage: 09 Broncos.

What are these mythical "turnovers" our defense can magically force?

DarkHorse30
07-15-2009, 06:05 PM
What are these mythical "turnovers" our defense can magically force?

forced? Don't make me laugh....the 2008 offense freely gives them up.

UberBroncoMan
07-15-2009, 06:09 PM
There is no way this question can be realistically answered until we actually SEE the 2009 Broncos. I'm sure people didn't think our defense could get any worse than it did in 2007... but it did in 2008. That said, I'll root for the 2009 Broncos since that's the team we have right now.

Northman
07-15-2009, 06:10 PM
Wouldnt it be better to have this discussion AFTER the 2009 season?

FireFly
07-15-2009, 07:42 PM
I've gotta go with the '09 Broncos on this one.

Can you imagine our O-line as its shaping up this year against our D-line from last year? Orton would be able to sit down and have a cup of tea before he has to throw the ball!

Br0nc0Buster
07-15-2009, 09:20 PM
Considering neither team will be able to get pressure against the offensive line, this one turns into a shoot-out.

Who wins the shoot-out between Cutler and Orton? Let me think.........

Yeah except one is going against a Slowik defense and the other is going against a Nolan defense

If Orton is only average at best in Denver, that has been proven to be more than enough to carve up a Slowik defense

Br0nc0Buster
07-15-2009, 09:23 PM
I will take the 09 team

They would run it and control the clock because the 08 defense wouldnt be able to get them off the field

Cutler would bring the 08 team from behind and keep it close but throw a pick to Champ Bailey trying to force it to Marshall on the game clinching drive