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Popps
07-12-2009, 07:03 PM
Football stuff for football-starved people...

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Popps
07-12-2009, 07:07 PM
A couple of observations...

One is that the Colts were up in his pie-hole all afternoon. I've heard Chicago's line wasn't great last year and if this was any indication, people aren't lying. Very poor protection... and watching the Broncos last year, I think I became rather spoiled at the time we had to throw the ball.

The other is fairly obvious in that when Orton IS given time to throw, he seems to make very good decisions, at least in this game. Interesting to see him run a bit, too. Not exactly a track star, but he seems nimble enough on his feet to keep out of trouble.

I'm guessing the maker of the vid went through the whole game. Seems to be a selection of good and bad passes. Mostly good, though. Pretty decent day for a QB under a lot of duress.

Malcontent
07-12-2009, 07:16 PM
Agree with the assesment..and did you all see Freeney just manhandle a man 80-90 LBs heavier than himself?? That guy is very good when healthy.

Popps
07-12-2009, 07:18 PM
Agree with the assesment..and did you all see Freeney just manhandle a man 80-90 LBs heavier than himself?? That guy is very good when healthy.

He's scary.

It became fashionable to rip on Freeny when he had injury problems as being overrated, but I'd take an overrated guy like that on my defense every day and twice on Sunday!

azbroncfan
07-12-2009, 08:03 PM
Agree with the assesment..and did you all see Freeney just manhandle a man 80-90 LBs heavier than himself?? That guy is very good when healthy.

John St Clair is one of the worst OT's to ever lace them up too though. I do agree that Freeney is an absolute beast that has to be accounted for.

rbackfactory80
07-12-2009, 08:04 PM
He is a PRO Qb...

Pseudofool
07-12-2009, 08:06 PM
Cutler owns the Colts.

DenverBrit
07-12-2009, 08:08 PM
Orton's going to love playing behind Denver's line.

broncosteven
07-12-2009, 08:11 PM
SuperBowl in 2010!

It will be interesting to see if he plays well enough to get a contract.

Spider
07-12-2009, 08:14 PM
2 things I saw I didnt like , but ither then that orton will be just fine for us ......
that over throw , it was late , he has to get that pass off alot earlier like he did to Desmond later in the clip ........ and under no circumstances do you throw to crowd on a short route ...... If that screen was covered like that take the sack ..........

BMarsh615
07-12-2009, 08:19 PM
John St Clair is one of the worst OT's to ever lace them up too though. I do agree that Freeney is an absolute beast that has to be accounted for.

Orton having John Tait at RT last year didn't help him one bit either. That guy was horrible last year.Ha!

Orton will do fine here. He is very good at figuring out what the defense is going to do at the line of scrimmage, and he does a good job of throwing the ball to where only his receiver can make a play on the ball.

People like to think that Orton is some horrible QB, but they don't remember that he only started 1 full season prior to last year..... And that was his rookie season. How many QB's drafted in the 4th round come in and light it up their rookie year?:welcome:

Dudeskey
07-12-2009, 08:42 PM
like that run @ 1:25. Awful protection, amazing how weak LT play can make a DE look so good regardless of skill level. Freeney was eating that guy's lunch all day. Deep ball definitely as advertised- not all that great, but maybe the constant pressure had something to do with it. I think he's going to be fine here though...™

Rulon Velvet Jones
07-12-2009, 08:44 PM
I have faith in the coaching staff keeping things as simple and straight-forward for Orton as much as possible. Take the weight off his shoulders - let the Oline do their job, keep safety valve in place, let the RBs do the heavy lifting and don't expect Orton to come out and sling it around for 300+ yards and 3 TDs every Sunday (though that would be nice).

I think they know their limitations at QB.

Willynowei
07-12-2009, 09:59 PM
Looks like Jake Plummer minus the athleticism.

tsiguy96
07-12-2009, 10:03 PM
holy **** their oline is AWFUL. and to think orton was having a pretty damn good year last year behind them...

Popps
07-12-2009, 10:06 PM
I have faith in the coaching staff keeping things as simple and straight-forward for Orton as much as possible. Take the weight off his shoulders - let the Oline do their job, keep safety valve in place, let the RBs do the heavy lifting and don't expect Orton to come out and sling it around for 300+ yards and 3 TDs every Sunday (though that would be nice).

I think they know their limitations at QB.

Agree, though the system itself is fairly complex. I think you're right in the sense that they're likely to open up the playbook at a pace. But, once Orton does take it all in... and he's got some experience in the system already, I think it's going to help his game quite a bit. This system really can be a QB's best friend, imo.

McDaniels describes the QBs in his system as a "point guard," distributing the ball to his many options.

Orton had a nice running game in Chicago, but I don't know that the system/line were QB-friendly. I expect our running game to be very effective, and I think he's going to have a real chance to succeed.

SonOfLe-loLang
07-12-2009, 10:16 PM
Looks like Jake Plummer minus the athleticism.

I never got this comparison at all. Orton is a lot headier than Plummer was.

DBroncos4life
07-12-2009, 10:18 PM
I had him for a good stretch of the season last year in FF till he got hurt. He played great up till then. With the weapons we have he should do fine I just don't want us to jump the gun and give him a contract till we know he is the guy.

mr007
07-12-2009, 10:49 PM
After watching that video, Orton honestly looked a lot better than what I had remembered of him and better than I'd given him credit for. We'll see!

Kaylore
07-12-2009, 11:24 PM
Looks like Jake Plummer minus the athleticism.

Yeah, except not at all.

Killericon
07-12-2009, 11:31 PM
How can Brandon Lloyd make catches like that and not be a star? It's mind-boggling.

tsiguy96
07-12-2009, 11:34 PM
How can Brandon Lloyd make catches like that and not be a star? It's mind-boggling.

because those catches make up basically every one of his catches. put it on hte numbers and its a surefire drop.

Popps
07-12-2009, 11:39 PM
How can Brandon Lloyd make catches like that and not be a star? It's mind-boggling.

It's always been about his head and whether or not its in the game.

People like to blame it on his rapper aspirations. I have no idea how much truth there is to that. But, he's bounced around a bit, now... and hasn't caught fire, despite seemingly a lot of talent.

That said, if he buys in... I like him as a 4th/5th option. He came cheap and provides a deep threat for an offense that is likely to lull a lot of opponents to sleep with short passing and a heavy does of RBs.

Again, I think McDaniels views him as a poor man's Randy Moss... a guy who might be able to exploit mismatches in multiple receiver sets. He can get behind DBs and certainly go up over them to make catches.

It's a nice risk/reward signing, imo. Who knows, maybe he gets his head straight and benefits from a focused offensive coaching staff. SF/Wash/Chicago haven't exactly made stars out of too many WRs as of late.

TheReverend
07-12-2009, 11:59 PM
It's always been about his head and whether or not its in the game.

People like to blame it on his rapper aspirations. I have no idea how much truth there is to that. But, he's bounced around a bit, now... and hasn't caught fire, despite seemingly a lot of talent.

That said, if he buys in... I like him as a 4th/5th option. He came cheap and provides a deep threat for an offense that is likely to lull a lot of opponents to sleep with short passing and a heavy does of RBs.

Again, I think McDaniels views him as a poor man's Randy Moss... a guy who might be able to exploit mismatches in multiple receiver sets. He can get behind DBs and certainly go up over them to make catches.

It's a nice risk/reward signing, imo. Who knows, maybe he gets his head straight and benefits from a focused offensive coaching staff. SF/Wash/Chicago haven't exactly made stars out of too many WRs as of late.

There's a good lesson for you to learn in there :rofl:

Popps
07-13-2009, 12:22 AM
There's a good lesson for you to learn in there :rofl:

Maybe, but the bigger point is that they just haven't been teams with quality offensive systems over the past several seasons.

Orton managed respectable results, despite what I'd suspect to be offensive conditions far inferior to what he'll enjoy in Denver.

We'll see.

footstepsfrom#27
07-13-2009, 12:53 AM
Ha ha...listen carefully from 0:26-0:32 and you can hear Madden say,

"There are players you know...that people will say, who would you pay to watch...Tom Brady?...but noone wants to see Orton..."

LOL

BroncoInSkinland
07-13-2009, 04:16 AM
Not bad, not great, but not bad. The incompletion/near interception around the 1:20 mark is a big gain with our line giving a little more time and Marshall OR Royal not letting that pass go by them. Also there's an awful lot of scrambling throughout that our line would have made unneccesary. For me it kinda confirms my thoughts on Orton already, servicable, but not a star. I really hope our defense doesn't put him in a position where he has to come from behind on a regular basis.

Inkana7
07-13-2009, 04:56 AM
I've been watching a lot of Chicago games recently, and I don't think there's any other team in the NFL that uses a button hook as it's base route. My High School offense was more diverse than what Turner runs over there.

montrose
07-13-2009, 05:50 AM
Looks like Jake Plummer minus the athleticism.

In watching him, I see a more passionate Brian Griese with a much better arm. Keep in mind that before Griese messed up his arm in the infamous Oakland game, he was throwing for a high percentage with very few turnovers as the team was winning a lot of games. I could see similar output from Orton. If we suck this year, I don't believe it will be because of our QB.

TonyR
07-13-2009, 05:56 AM
If we suck this year, I don't believe it will be because of our QB.

Exactly right, and not much different than it would have been with Shanahan and Cutler. Any team that needs their QB to put on a cape every week is in big trouble.

oubronco
07-13-2009, 06:37 AM
nothing on there thats making me feel like we are not going to miss Cutler

loborugger
07-13-2009, 07:31 AM
In watching him, I see a more passionate Brian Griese with a much better arm. Keep in mind that before Griese messed up his arm in the infamous Oakland game, he was throwing for a high percentage with very few turnovers as the team was winning a lot of games. I could see similar output from Orton. If we suck this year, I don't believe it will be because of our QB.

Much better comparision than Plummer.

He looks serviceable. He looks like he can win, esp when paired with a good line and good running game. He looks pretty tough to me, taking no that DB and running thru the tackle, not backing down in the face of pressure, and staying cool.

I am upbeat about this guy until there is a reason not to be.

HEAV
07-13-2009, 10:44 AM
What a horrid O-line he had to deal with.