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tsiguy96
07-09-2009, 12:21 PM
what about brian brohm? i mentioned it in another thread, he is #3 on packers depth chart, wouldnt he be good for a trade? i dont know much about him except he fell on draft day to round 2 and never has a shot in green bay...

Beantown Bronco
07-09-2009, 12:23 PM
Depends on who our coach is next year. :)

BroncoMan4ever
07-09-2009, 12:32 PM
what about brian brohm? i mentioned it in another thread, he is #3 on packers depth chart, wouldnt he be good for a trade? i dont know much about him except he fell on draft day to round 2 and never has a shot in green bay...

i really liked Brohm coming out of college. i thought he had the tools to be the best in his draft class. and he is pretty close to the prototype QB that McDaniels likes in his system. i'd be for it. but even if we got him, he still wouldn't play until 2010 at the soonest.

cmhargrove
07-09-2009, 12:43 PM
I liked Brohm in college as well.

But.... If he can't even push Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay, why would I expect him to amount to anything in Denver.

TheDave
07-09-2009, 12:44 PM
If we lose and it's obviously because of our QB's... I doubt McDaniels will have a much to do with who our next QB is.

Mountain Bronco
07-09-2009, 12:46 PM
A QB nobody else wants is not the answer. We already have several of those.

broncofan7
07-09-2009, 12:49 PM
If we lose and it's obviously because of our QB's... I doubt McDaniels will have a much to do with who our next QB is.

I bet he gets a 2nd year unless we pull a 2-14 or,GULP, worse.

Taco John
07-09-2009, 12:51 PM
I'm with Herc on this one. There's no way in hell that Pat Bowlen is going to carry three coaches next season, even if McDaniels tanks and has a one win season.

I suppose the caveat is that Mike Shanahan could be hired as early as late this season - but more likely early next season. But I think Bowlen has his HOF credentials riding on McDaniels and is going to give him every opportunity to succeed.

SonOfLe-loLang
07-09-2009, 12:52 PM
I liked Brohm in college as well.

But.... If he can't even push Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay, why would I expect him to amount to anything in Denver.

Have you watched Rodgers play? He's really good.

TheDave
07-09-2009, 12:53 PM
I bet he gets a 2nd year unless we pull a 2-14 or,GULP, worse.

I agree the odds of him being fired after this season are VERY slim. But if it goes 3-13 or 4-12 ugly and Orton stinks up the joint (and our new franchise QB is sitting there when Seattle is on the clock)... Bowlen may not have much of a choice.

TheDave
07-09-2009, 12:54 PM
I'm with Herc on this one. There's no way in hell that Pat Bowlen is going to carry three coaches next season, even if McDaniels tanks and has a one win season.

I suppose the caveat is that Mike Shanahan could be hired as early as late this season - but more likely early next season. But I think Bowlen has his HOF credentials riding on McDaniels and is going to give him every opportunity to succeed.

Shanahan WILL be coaching next season... Pat will be off the hook for his salary.

Taco John
07-09-2009, 12:57 PM
I kind of hope that San Diego does well enough for Norv to keep his job next season. I'd absolutely loathe a situation where Shanahan ends up coaching the Chargers.

TheDave
07-09-2009, 12:59 PM
I kind of hope that San Diego does well enough for Norv to keep his job next season. I'd absolutely loathe a situation where Shanahan ends up coaching the Chargers.

Ugghhh... My guess is he will end up in Dallas or Washington. With his ties to Chicago and Cutler he could end up a bear if things don't go well this season.

TheReverend
07-09-2009, 01:01 PM
I kind of hope that San Diego does well enough for Norv to keep his job next season. I'd absolutely loathe a situation where Shanahan ends up coaching the Chargers.

I'd cry myself to sleep for a week. Minimum.

broncofan7
07-09-2009, 01:02 PM
I agree the odds of him being fired after this season are VERY slim. But if it goes 3-13 or 4-12 ugly and Orton stinks up the joint (and our new franchise QB is sitting there when Seattle is on the clock)... Bowlen may not have much of a choice.

Don't get me started on that bullsheat----so MANY questionable moves from someone so UNPROVEN. I hope that our defense becomes a turnover machine this year, ala the 2000 season.that will give us a fighting chance.........

GoHAM
07-09-2009, 01:04 PM
I liked Brohm in college as well.

But.... If he can't even push Matt Flynn in Green Bay, why would I expect him to amount to anything in Denver.

I corrected it for you.

HILife
07-09-2009, 01:05 PM
I kind of hope that San Diego does well enough for Norv to keep his job next season. I'd absolutely loathe a situation where Shanahan ends up coaching the Chargers.

I can't see that happening. Shanahan wants full power over the team and San Diego has a GM. The two will not get along, kind of like Marty.

TheDave
07-09-2009, 01:08 PM
Don't get me started on that bullsheat----so MANY questionable moves from someone so UNPROVEN. I hope that our defense becomes a turnover machine this year, ala the 2000 season.that will give us a fighting chance.........

I have the most trouble figuring out the Cutler trade combined with the trade of our 1st.

If you trade the QB and are going into a rebuilding mode... fine. Then you keep our 1st.

If your not in a rebuilding mode and you are trying to win now... fine. Then you don't trade the QB.


I just can't figure that combo out.

Popps
07-09-2009, 01:27 PM
I'd be pretty surprised if McDaniels couldn't make a respectable QB out of one of these guys. Considering what he did with Cassel, I think there's a good possibility he will.

Just a gut feeling, but I think that McD may be QB-friendly in the way Shanahan was, getting the most out of the guys he has. In fact, it sounds to me like McD might even be more detail-oriented as far as being hands-on with the QBs. I always felt like Cutler suffered with mechanics and didn't look like he was being coached properly, at times.

We'll see, but I'm optimistic about our offensive production. I'm much more concerned about the massive job of fixing the broken defense the new staff inherited.

Killericon
07-09-2009, 01:29 PM
Said it before and got laughed at, and I'll say it again and get laughed at...Again.

Derek Anderson.

Lev Vyvanse
07-09-2009, 01:39 PM
I kind of hope that San Diego does well enough for Norv to keep his job next season. I'd absolutely loathe a situation where Shanahan ends up coaching the Chargers.


I thought about this also. The problem with that scenario is the San Diego GM would have to fire himself to give Shanahan the job. No way is Shanahan taking a job unless he has complete control.

24champ
07-09-2009, 01:41 PM
I suppose the caveat is that Mike Shanahan could be hired as early as late this season - but more likely early next season. But I think Bowlen has his HOF credentials riding on McDaniels and is going to give him every opportunity to succeed.

I disagree taco, I mean his HOF credentials will take a hit if the team is going to be picking in the top 5. If it does get to that point where the Broncos are picking in the top 5, I don't see Bowlen owning the team much longer. In this economic climate, the financial aspect of the Business could be falling apart and force Bowlen to cut his losses and walk away.

kamakazi_kal
07-09-2009, 01:53 PM
I'd be pretty surprised if McDaniels couldn't make a respectable QB out of one of these guys. Considering what he did with Cassel, I think there's a good possibility he will.

Just a gut feeling, but I think that McD may be QB-friendly in the way Shanahan was, getting the most out of the guys he has. In fact, it sounds to me like McD might even be more detail-oriented as far as being hands-on with the QBs. I always felt like Cutler suffered with mechanics and didn't look like he was being coached properly, at times.

We'll see, but I'm optimistic about our offensive production. I'm much more concerned about the massive job of fixing the broken defense the new staff inherited.


let us not forget Cassel had spent like 4 years learning/using and knew that "complicated" system foward and backwards

Florida_Bronco
07-09-2009, 02:01 PM
Said it before and got laughed at, and I'll say it again and get laughed at...Again.

Derek Anderson.

I would rather have Brady Quinn.

Punisher
07-09-2009, 02:07 PM
Ive talked about Brohm before the draft 100 times,he fell off the conversation when McD passed on him.

But if the Broncos are looking for a QB via trade I'll highly recommend Matt Moore I believe his the 2nd or 3rd QB on the panthers roster.The man has a very quick release and a strong arm.

cmhargrove
07-09-2009, 02:09 PM
Have you watched Rodgers play? He's really good.

You miss the point grasshopper!

A third stringer is a guy who isn't yet close to challenging the starter, and got beat out by a backup. Is that who you want to choose, rather than even spending a first round pick on a QB? Sometimes guys just don't get a chance, other times, they are just backups.

Why not at least shoot for some other team's second stringer?

Broncomutt
07-09-2009, 02:19 PM
Shanny has seen his last game as an NFL head coach.

He's in the same league with guys like Shula, Noll and Gibbs now. Although, not shabby company when you think about it.

BroncoMan4ever
07-09-2009, 02:22 PM
I liked Brohm in college as well.

But.... If he can't even push Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay, why would I expect him to amount to anything in Denver.

that is a bad scenario. Rodgers was a 1st round pick from 2005 and was being groomed to take over for several seasons. Brohm was brought in for the reason of being a backup. plus Rodgers is actually pretty good.

same situation as in Chicago. Grossman was a 1st round pick and because of that was given the job without necessarily earning it. Orton was sent to the bench not because of play, but because the organization wanted their 1st round pick to work out.

MileHighMagic
07-09-2009, 02:25 PM
I still wish we wouldve nabbed Brady Quinn. He will be a solid NFL qb - just watch.

Pick Six
07-09-2009, 02:31 PM
If our quarterbacks don't cut it this year, we're probably looking at a very high draft slot next year. I truly think the next quarterback candidate will be a 2010 first round draft pick, if Orton or Simms don't show any potential...

BroncoMan4ever
07-09-2009, 02:32 PM
I kind of hope that San Diego does well enough for Norv to keep his job next season. I'd absolutely loathe a situation where Shanahan ends up coaching the Chargers.

that will never happen. Mike could never coexist with AJ Smith.

TheDave
07-09-2009, 02:34 PM
If our quarterbacks don't cut it this year, we're probably looking at a very high draft slot next year. I truly think the next quarterback candidate will be a 2010 first round draft pick, if Orton or Simms don't show any potential...

Seattle has our 2010 1st... If our QB's suck we better hope chicago tanks if we want a QB in the draft.

Beantown Bronco
07-09-2009, 02:36 PM
Shanny has seen his last game as an NFL head coach.

I'd take that bet and even go so far as to give you odds.

BroncoMan4ever
07-09-2009, 02:36 PM
let us not forget Cassel had spent like 4 years learning/using and knew that "complicated" system foward and backwards

remember that he also got off to a bumppy start until McDaniels altered the offense a little to fit him better and hide his weaknesses.

24champ
07-09-2009, 02:37 PM
Seattle has our 2010 1st... If our QB's suck we better hope chicago tanks if we want a QB in the draft.

I thought there was a clause in the trade where if we had a top 10 pick, they would recieve some other sort of compensation.

Beantown Bronco
07-09-2009, 02:40 PM
I thought there was a clause in the trade where if we had a top 10 pick, they would recieve some other sort of compensation.

That's what everyone here was calling for and hoping happened, but it's not the case.

kamakazi_kal
07-09-2009, 02:40 PM
remember that he also got off to a bumppy start until McDaniels altered the offense a little to fit him better and hide his weaknesses.

ha ha .... I know.

McD is gonna have to alter the running game, defense and special teams to hide Ortons weaknesses Hilarious!

I'm in the group that thinks Simms will be starting at some point.

TheDave
07-09-2009, 02:41 PM
I thought there was a clause in the trade where if we had a top 10 pick, they would recieve some other sort of compensation.

I wish... according to what I've read they asked for our natural #1 and we said sure.

Thank god they didn't ask for Champ as a throw in... ;D

Br0nc0Buster
07-09-2009, 02:41 PM
ha ha .... I know.

McD is gonna have to alter the running game, defense and special teams to hide Ortons weaknesses Hilarious!

I'm in the group that thinks Simms will be starting at some point.

I think the "group" is just you and BroncoBuff

The one man wolf pack just doubled

24champ
07-09-2009, 02:44 PM
That's what everyone here was calling for and hoping happened, but it's not the case.

I wish... according to what I've read they asked for our natural #1 and we said sure.

Thank god they didn't ask for Champ as a throw in... ;D

Excellent GM'ing by Mc...er excuse me Xanders. ::)

TheDave
07-09-2009, 02:51 PM
Excellent GM'ing by Mc...er excuse me Xanders. ::)

I know... At this point I'm doing everything I can to convince myself that Orton will be just fine.

Br0nc0Buster
07-09-2009, 02:52 PM
I wish... according to what I've read they asked for our natural #1 and we said sure.

Thank god they didn't ask for Champ as a throw in... ;D

Josh said they wouldnt trade unless it was OUR first

People act like he pondered it and decided "hey lets do ours instead"

It wasnt about "winning now", it was all about Alphonso Smith

TheDave
07-09-2009, 02:59 PM
Josh said they wouldnt trade unless it was OUR first

People act like he pondered it and decided "hey lets do ours instead"

It wasnt about "winning now", it was all about Alphonso Smith

Doesn't really matter how it happened... This kid better be good and we better not implode this season.

If we tank this season and and one of the top QB's is sitting there when Seattle is on the clock... Well, god help the O'manes server.

mr007
07-09-2009, 02:59 PM
If our QBs don't cut it this year, there's only one solution.

<img src="http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/02/20/automobiles/533-Delorean.jpg">

TheDave
07-09-2009, 03:02 PM
If our QBs don't cut it this year, there's only one solution.

<img src="http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/02/20/automobiles/533-Delorean.jpg">

Or we could send one of these back to the 1970's after McDaniels Mom... ;D

http://www.collider.com/wp-content/image-base/Movies/T/Terminator/terminator_movie__2_.jpg

DBroncos4life
07-09-2009, 03:06 PM
Two words... Sam Keller.

watermock
07-09-2009, 03:10 PM
Josh said they wouldnt trade unless it was OUR first

People act like he pondered it and decided "hey lets do ours instead"

It wasnt about "winning now", it was all about Alphonso Smith

That is false. McBeavis said there was little difference, that '09 records could fall either way. Pull up a quote where McBeavis said we had to give our 1st.

Regardless, it was stupid anyway, even if we traded the bears pick.

We would of had the pick of the litter in '10, with much more flex, he threw that away on a nickel corner.

watermock
07-09-2009, 03:14 PM
Doesn't really matter how it happened... This kid better be good and we better not implode this season.

If we tank this season and and one of the top QB's is sitting there when Seattle is on the clock... Well, god help the O'manes server.

That is exactly what is going to happen, given our QB and Defense.

Oddly, the '10 draft is QB rich, but McDummy will try to make a star out of a 6th rounder. Just watch.

We also could of gotten Mt. Cody. or Colt McCoy, or Bradford.

Stuipid moron!

TheDave
07-09-2009, 03:15 PM
That is exactly what is going to happen, given our QB and Defense.

Oddly, the '10 draft is QB rich, but McDum,my will try to make a star out of a 6th rounder. Just watch.

Like I said earlier we better hope like hell that Orton is better than we think... Otherwise we are looking at a VERY long couple of years.

tsiguy96
07-09-2009, 03:17 PM
That is exactly what is going to happen, given our QB and Defense.

Oddly, the '10 draft is QB rich, but McDummy will try to make a star out of a 6th rounder. Just watch.

We also could of gotten Mt. Cody. or Colt McCoy, or Bradford.

Stuipid moron!

you atually gonna watch the team this year? if they win 10 games, i expect you will be too ashamed to ever come back to this forum. or youll blame it on peanut butter.

watermock
07-09-2009, 03:19 PM
Originally Posted by Br0nc0Buster
Josh said they wouldnt trade unless it was OUR first



That's a lie.

The real reason was McBeavis couldn't accept that Chicago, w/Cutler, and the schedules, would likely have a lower pick.

Arrogant little prick.

And even i it WAS true, then we still should of passed, or not used a second on a Blocking TE, we could of used that to move up.

God, he's a 5-8 corner.

mr007
07-09-2009, 03:26 PM
actually I thought he was asked that exact question during a press conference and he said a decision had to be made quickly and he didn't want to argue over it.

Jens1893
07-09-2009, 03:29 PM
Has Matt Casell signed an extension yet? Just sayin´

tsiguy96
07-09-2009, 03:38 PM
That's a lie.

The real reason was McBeavis couldn't accept that Chicago, w/Cutler, and the schedules, would likely have a lower pick.

Arrogant little prick.

And even i it WAS true, then we still should of passed, or not used a second on a Blocking TE, we could of used that to move up.

God, he's a 5-8 corner.

wow, i bet you are having lots of fun this offseason. bitching moaning and crying to anyone who will (and wont..) listen. you refuse to accept anything other than your own opinion is correct and the team should be built how YOU think it should, which youve convinced yourself is the exact opposite of everything that mcdaniels has done so far.

have you convinced yourself that mike nolan, brian dawkins were bad pickups as well? what about knowshon or robert ayers?

watermock
07-09-2009, 03:40 PM
actually I thought he was asked that exact question during a press conference and he said a decision had to be made quickly and he didn't want to argue over it.

Indeed. Just bend over.

Seattle knew exactly what they were doing, making the Cutler trade worthless and potentially seizing a top 5 draft pick.

So McBeavis folded. After all, Smith was on his 100 player index card.

watermock
07-09-2009, 03:47 PM
have you convinced yourself that mike nolan, brian dawkins were bad pickups as well? what about knowshon or robert ayers?

Yes. I think we should of used a NFC East 4/3 and kept Bates, Lex or Spagges.

We vastly overpaid for Dawkins, I don't really care for Nolan, and Ayers is ubdesized for the 4/3, slow for OLB.

Moreno, probably the slowest back taken in the top 12 in 10 years.

Add to that wa drafted no 3/4 DL, and picked 6 of 9 (we had 9 picks before the smith trade) on Offense.

Tombstone RJ
07-09-2009, 03:56 PM
what about brian brohm? i mentioned it in another thread, he is #3 on packers depth chart, wouldnt he be good for a trade? i dont know much about him except he fell on draft day to round 2 and never has a shot in green bay...

What about Tom Brandstatter?

DBroncos4life
07-09-2009, 03:56 PM
Has Matt Casell signed an extension yet? Just sayin´

yep that's what I see happening as well.

Br0nc0Buster
07-09-2009, 04:01 PM
That's a lie.

The real reason was McBeavis couldn't accept that Chicago, w/Cutler, and the schedules, would likely have a lower pick.

Arrogant little prick.

And even i it WAS true, then we still should of passed, or not used a second on a Blocking TE, we could of used that to move up.

God, he's a 5-8 corner.

whatever, its in one of the interviews on the Broncos webpage.

He said that Seattle would only trade for our pick, but that they felt comfortable about it.

bpc
07-09-2009, 04:10 PM
I think it's gonna be real funny when our "matt cassel" or whatever the hell we want to call the trash that is Kyle Orton and Chris Simms doesn't have a real Randy Moss or Wes Welker to throw to. I think the bloom is gonna come off this rose quickly.

BroncoBuff
07-09-2009, 04:16 PM
Shanny has seen his last game as an NFL head coach.

He's in the same league with guys like Shula, Noll and Gibbs now. Although, not shabby company when you think about it.

Mike would be a great hire for a team with a solid DC and GM.

Lolad
07-09-2009, 04:26 PM
whatever, its in one of the interviews on the Broncos webpage.

He said that Seattle would only trade for our pick, but that they felt comfortable about it.

He did say they asked for our pick. He said he didn't read too much into it, and was like ok lets do it. Because he didn't want to argue over the pick.

The question that you should ask yourself come draft time is. If Seatle is sitting their with a top QB. How would you have liked Mcidiot to handle the situation? I certainly would have done more then roll the dice, this isn't fantasy football!

maher_tyler
07-09-2009, 04:30 PM
I have the most trouble figuring out the Cutler trade combined with the trade of our 1st.

If you trade the QB and are going into a rebuilding mode... fine. Then you keep our 1st.

If your not in a rebuilding mode and you are trying to win now... fine. Then you don't trade the QB.


I just can't figure that combo out.

Signing 2 first round picks consecutive seasons would get a bit spendy i imagine!

BroncoBuff
07-09-2009, 04:49 PM
That's a lie.

The real reason was McBeavis couldn't accept that Chicago, w/Cutler, and the schedules, would likely have a lower pick.

He should have protected it with a clause it be the LOWER of the two picks.

They joke here now about "rooting against" Denver ... that'd too bad, I was just getting a couple friends trained to like the Broncos, at least a little.


God, he's a 5-8 corner.

I thought he was 5'9" ???

Anyway, all the draft evaluators said he 2 more inches and he'd be a "Top 10" player, and that has me very excited.

Besides, measurables are overrated ... TD was thought to be a step slow, kinda the same thing with Knowshon. But it doesn't matter with either one because they both have "football speed." Knowshon is gonna be amazing.

watermock
07-09-2009, 04:53 PM
whatever, its in one of the interviews on the Broncos webpage.


I remember what Beavis said.

He said it wouldn't make alot of difference, and he wanted Smith, he had him as the #2 CB, time was a factor, ect., so it was granted, i.e. It didn't matter because of unknown records.

We'll see how it looks in april, huh?

I remember the exact quote, and so do you.

tsiguy96
07-09-2009, 04:55 PM
I remember what Beavis said.

He said it wouldn't make alot of difference, and he wanted Smith, he had him as the #2 CB, time was a factor, ect., so it was granted, i.e. It didn't matter because of unknown records.

We'll see how it looks in april, huh?

I remember the exact quote, and so do you.

no, he had him as the top rated corner in the draft, and saw a chance to instantly improve the football team while still leaving the team with an entire round 1-7 draft next year. good trying though.

maher_tyler
07-09-2009, 05:02 PM
That is exactly what is going to happen, given our QB and Defense.

Oddly, the '10 draft is QB rich, but McDummy will try to make a star out of a 6th rounder. Just watch.

We also could of gotten Mt. Cody. or Colt McCoy, or Bradford.

Stuipid moron!

:Whaaaa!:

No guarantee any of the top QB's will pan out!! No reason to cry about something you have no control over..get over it!!

footstepsfrom#27
07-09-2009, 05:10 PM
Bohm had the best tools coming out of college this year IMO. I was surprised we didn't take a look at him or the kid from Texas A&M who the Cowboys got. I highly doubt a bad performance by Orton/Simms will motivate McDaniels to make a trade for him, but if we're going to go with a young QB this draft would have been the time to do so. Unfortunately unless someone falls...Tebow is probably the one...we've lost our chance at getting a top flight prospect with the Smith trade.

rastaman
07-09-2009, 05:15 PM
Has Matt Casell signed an extension yet? Just sayin´

Nope not yet! and believe me, McDisaster goes to bed each night bitting his pillow in hopes he gets one last stab with getting Cassell to sign with Denver. In fact, McDisasters coaching future success in Denver rest with getting Cassell into a Bronco uniform. :sunshine:

TonyR
07-09-2009, 05:16 PM
I think it's gonna be real funny when our "matt cassel" or whatever the hell we want to call the trash that is Kyle Orton and Chris Simms doesn't have a real Randy Moss or Wes Welker to throw to.

You think Brandon (assuming he stays) and Eddie are that big a fall off from Moss and Welker?

rastaman
07-09-2009, 05:19 PM
:Whaaaa!:

No guarantee any of the top QB's will pan out!! No reason to cry about something you have no control over..get over it!!

Exactly! That's why it will be so important for McDisaster to pry Cassell away from Chiefs and convince Patty Cakes Bowlen...."To open up that WALLET"!!!

Cassell will be a 6 year veteran by 2010, and knows McDisasters system inside out!!

rastaman
07-09-2009, 05:24 PM
Mike would be a great hire for a team with a solid DC and GM.

Hell yezzzzzzz! Hopefully Shanny has learned he can't build nor coach a defense and he must learn to share GM duties with a GM that knows the GM position as well Mike knows the offensive side of the ball. Likewise, if Shanny learns to trust and share Defensive philosophies and expericence with DC who's just as bright on Defense as Shanny is on offense, Shanny will be back in business.

TonyR
07-09-2009, 05:37 PM
...Hopefully Shanny has learned... ...he must learn... ...if Shanny learns...

Shanny is almost 57 years old, has lots of money, has had lots of success, has been doing if for a long time, and has a large ego. People like that generally don't suddenly "learn things" and change their stripes. He accomplished what he did believing in himself and in his methods. Don't expect a new and improved version to hit the market any time soon.

maher_tyler
07-09-2009, 05:50 PM
Shanny is almost 57 years old, has lots of money, has had lots of success, has been doing if for a long time, and has a large ego. People like that generally don't suddenly "learn things" and change their stripes. He accomplished what he did believing in himself and in his methods. Don't expect a new and improved version to hit the market any time soon.

McD :thumbs:

tsiguy96
07-09-2009, 05:52 PM
Bohm had the best tools coming out of college this year IMO. I was surprised we didn't take a look at him or the kid from Texas A&M who the Cowboys got. I highly doubt a bad performance by Orton/Simms will motivate McDaniels to make a trade for him, but if we're going to go with a young QB this draft would have been the time to do so. Unfortunately unless someone falls...Tebow is probably the one...we've lost our chance at getting a top flight prospect with the Smith trade.

so what if we get 10 wins and the bears get 7. did we then lose out best chance at getting a good QB?

Br0nc0Buster
07-09-2009, 06:02 PM
He did say they asked for our pick. He said he didn't read too much into it, and was like ok lets do it. Because he didn't want to argue over the pick.

The question that you should ask yourself come draft time is. If Seatle is sitting their with a top QB. How would you have liked Mcidiot to handle the situation? I certainly would have done more then roll the dice, this isn't fantasy football!

He rolled the dice, Shanny used to do it all the time
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt.

If Alphonso flops out then he is gonna look dumb
But if Alphonso turns out to be a good player then the pick will of been justified regardless of who might be there at our spot

watermock
07-09-2009, 06:28 PM
Besides, measurables are overrated ... TD was thought to be a step slow, kinda the same thing with Knowshon. But it doesn't matter with either one because they both have "football speed." Knowshon is gonna be amazing.

That's fine. TD had a badly torn hammy and was a backup at Georgia.

And was a late pick.

Evidently Beavis thinks he was worth a high pick, and we needed a back.

I would of picked Shaun Greene later but his knees are a question.

6 of 9 picks on offense and trading our '10 #1 raised eyebrows.

tsiguy96
07-09-2009, 06:29 PM
That's fine. TD had a badly torn hammy and was a backup at Georgia.

And was a late pick.

Evidently Beavis thinks he was worth a high pick, and we needed a back.

I would of picked Shaun Greene later but his knees are a question.

6 of 9 picks on offense and trading our '10 #1 raised eyebrows.

id say he did a lot more than raise your eyebrows. the way you talk you act like he put a hit out on you. you dont even know if the team is gonna be good but seem prettyassured the team is worthless now.

watermock
07-09-2009, 06:31 PM
no, he had him as the top rated corner in the draft, and saw a chance to instantly improve the football team while still leaving the team with an entire round 1-7 draft next year. good trying though.

So what? Not by consensus, and not for the price we paid.

No, he had him on his index card, the kid was so excited he went thu hell to get to a private worout, plus we signed 2 vets.

I don't mind the pick, but not for a potential top 10 in '10. No Way.

watermock
07-09-2009, 06:36 PM
id say he did a lot more than raise your eyebrows. the way you talk you act like he put a hit out on you. you dont even know if the team is gonna be good but seem prettyassured the team is worthless now.

I mean really.

The main issue to me is the fact we could of dictated the '10 draft next year w/2 high #1's in a deeper, QB/DT draft.

Whatever.

It's done. Hopefully he's the next Green, but I doubt he runs a 4.28

tsiguy96
07-09-2009, 06:37 PM
So what? Not by consensus, and not for the price we paid.

No, he had him on his index card, the kid was so excited he went thu hell to get to a private worout, plus we signed 2 vets.

I don't mind the pick, but not for a potential top 10 in '10. No Way.

not by consensus? who the **** cares what other teams and the media think of the player, if this FO thinks they can get an impact player who THEY, the people who will be coaching him and playing him, feel he was the BEST at the position, they have every right and should try to get him.

its a potential top 10 of course, but its also a potential bottom 15, do you understand? this season is not over, it hasnt even started, quit saying "potential top 10" as it could just as easily be a #20 pick.

watermock
07-09-2009, 06:43 PM
Maybe with our '08 schedule.

We travel to early starts 6-7 times.

Again, all those writers just hate the Broncos.

watermock
07-09-2009, 06:46 PM
not by consensus? who the **** cares what other teams and the media think of the player, if this FO thinks they can get an impact player who THEY, the people who will be coaching him and playing him, feel he was the BEST at the position, they have every right and should try to get him.


Ya know, firing the 2 best scouts in a decade and having 100 players on your HOT list doesn't inspire me, Does it you?

Especially when the PUBLIC was told that the Goodmans were being kept, AND that Bowlen wasn't going to let the new coach share GM duties.

Xanders has no say, nor should he.

tsiguy96
07-09-2009, 06:52 PM
Ya know, firing the 2 best scouts in a decade and having 100 players on your HOT list doesn't inspire me, Does it you?

why do you keep making **** up? they didnt have 100 players on a "hot" list. they went BPA, they scouted as many players as every other team in the league, they had a list of players ranked and tehy took teh best ones available, and if they saw one falling that they thought could come in and contribute, they moved up to get them, as we saw, why do you not understand how the draft works?

quit repeating the same **** over and over when most of it isnt even true. why not wait til the season starts so you know if they suck before you continue crying?

atomicbloke
07-09-2009, 07:09 PM
I wish... according to what I've read they asked for our natural #1 and we said sure.

Thank god they didn't ask for Champ as a throw in... ;D

At least this season, no one will be calling for us to lose out in order to get a better draft pick!

bpc
07-09-2009, 07:10 PM
You think Brandon (assuming he stays) and Eddie are that big a fall off from Moss and Welker?

Neither is what Moss and Welker are... two of the best players at their WR position.

Randy Moss has elite size (HT), leaping ability, hands and still very much the speed to open up every part of the field. As much as I like B-Marsh the talent, he'll never have elite speed or hands. He's going to drop a ton of passes while bring in his fair share while being open but unable to seperate down the field.

Eddie Royal is a good young player. It's hard to put a cap on what he could be however Welker is probably the fastest player within 15 yards of the LOS and runs probably the crispest routes in the NFL along with having great hands as well.

Do I think Welker/Moss are better than Royal/BMarsh? Yes, I do. That's before you take into account that Brandon could get busted for ANYTHING at any time and be gone for part of the season because of suspension or even injury.

tsiguy96
07-09-2009, 07:13 PM
Neither is what Moss and Welker are... two of the best players at their position.

Randy Moss has the size, leaping ability, hands and still the speed to open up every part of the field. As much as I like B-Marsh the talent, he'll never have elite speed or hands. He's going to drop a ton of passes while bring in his fair share.

Eddie Royal is a good young player. It's hard to put a cap on what he could be however Welker is probably the fastest player within 15 yards of the LOS and runs probably the crispest routes in the NFL along with having great hands as well.

Do I think Welker/Moss are better than Royal/BMarsh? Yes, I do. That's before you take into account that Brandon could get busted for ANYTHING at any time and be gone for part of the season.

i think part of what he was saying is, sure matt cassel had good players to throw to, but kyle orton didnt, yet he still was having a decent year for quite awhile til he had a bum ankle. so kyle orton is atleast partly proven as he played good with little talent (and is going to really good talent), but matt cassel has to prove that he can do it without talent

bpc
07-09-2009, 07:26 PM
How do you know the WR's Chicago had aren't better than they were given credit for? It was their move to acquire Cutler, a better QB, not better WR's so obviously the Chicago coaching staff feels like Orton was the issue. We won't really know though until Cutler is throwing passes to them. As for Kyle Orton, he had a hard time pushing Grossman to the bench over the past 3 years. He's been a part time player. Go ahead and annoit (sic) him all you want.

To buffer Orton though, he also had a top notch defense and a premium running game to take all the heat off him throwing the ball. He definitely never faced the odds Jay did last year having a non-existent running game or a consistent question of if somebody was healthy enough to carry the ball. He had to throw EVERY play. Normally from behind and he did it successfully almost every game. He didn't have a defense giving him a short field either.

I think a great statistic to look at for QB's is how did they play when behind? Well Chicago never really did that except at GB and at Minnesota and Orton stunk both of those games. He didn't have a run game to fall back on and the defense couldn't take away obvious pass situations and he failed miserably.

Welcome back to the hell we had under center with Jake and Griese were in town. Why both were solid QB's when the game was close, neither of those guys could be counted on to lead a team on a comeback when the adversity was great and we were down by a couple possessions.

Bottom line, if you don't have a running game to even out a defense with these limp armed QB's, they are going to suck.

Orton and probably Simms are both going to suck this year unless the OL and HB's play WAY above their heads and the defense can keep us in some games.

tsiguy96
07-09-2009, 07:44 PM
How do you know the WR's Chicago had aren't better than they were given credit for? It was their move to acquire Cutler, a better QB, not better WR's so obviously the Chicago coaching staff feels like Orton was the issue. We won't really know though until Cutler is throwing passes to them. As for Kyle Orton, he had a hard time pushing Grossman to the bench over the past 3 years. He's been a part time player. Go ahead and annoit (sic) him all you want.

To buffer Orton though, he also had a top notch defense and a premium running game to take all the heat off him throwing the ball. He definitely never faced the odds Jay did last year having a non-existent running game or a consistent question of if somebody was healthy enough to carry the ball. He had to throw EVERY play. Normally from behind and he did it successfully almost every game. He didn't have a defense giving him a short field either.

I think a great statistic to look at for QB's is how did they play when behind? Well Chicago never really did that except at GB and at Minnesota and Orton stunk both of those games. He didn't have a run game to fall back on and the defense couldn't take away obvious pass situations and he failed miserably.

Welcome back to the hell we had under center with Jake and Griese were in town. Why both were solid QB's when the game was close, neither of those guys could be counted on to lead a team on a comeback when the adversity was great and we were down by a couple possessions.

Bottom line, if you don't have a running game to even out a defense with these limp armed QB's, they are going to suck.

Orton and probably Simms are both going to suck this year unless the OL and HB's play WAY above their heads and the defense can keep us in some games.

their top notch defense was 16th in points allowed, and running game 24th in the league. yes tehy gameplanned more for forte than orton, but just goes to show you how "good" they were. go watch their WR play for a few games and youll understand they are no good, you dont need a great QB to be a great WR, go look at calvin johnson, andre johnson, steve smith etc, all poor to mediocre QBs throwing them the ball. no one in chicago shined anywhere close to that.

you underrate orton, like nearly everyone except chicago fans as most of them realize he was having a good year last year until he got injured. his #1 receiver was devin hester, whos been a receiver for a whole 2 years and has no other moves than his speed, how can you say maybe their WR are underrated?

orton played from behind against atlanta, their D blew that game as well.

DarkHorse30
07-09-2009, 09:01 PM
Shanny has seen his last game as an NFL head coach.

He's in the same league with guys like Shula, Noll and Gibbs now. Although, not shabby company when you think about it.

Agreed. Given the Broncos performance since his last AFC Championship game, I don't think Shanahan has the fire to build another team.

I'm laughing at those who are hoping that Shanahan get re-hired by the broncos. How does he buy any players respect after he got canned? Not to mention the horrible chokejob that he and his "franchise" QB delivered last year.

rastaman
07-10-2009, 07:33 AM
i think part of what he was saying is, sure matt cassel had good players to throw to, but kyle orton didnt, yet he still was having a decent year for quite awhile til he had a bum ankle. so kyle orton is atleast partly proven as he played good with little talent (and is going to really good talent), but matt cassel has to prove that he can do it without talent

Pleeeeez show me one QB in today's NFL that accomplish anything WITHOUT TALENT!

Orton in my opinion has the most to prove b/c as 5 or 6 year veteran he's suddenly finds himself surrounded by talent and in an offensive scheme that best suits his mediocre talents.

Having had 5 years in the NFL this should allow Orton to quickly learn the basics of any offense and the training camp and preseason games is plenty of time for a veteran QB like Orton to get his act together.

By the end of October, Orton should be able to erase the label of "Journeyman" QB. As for Cassell, he probably has with the Chief's the same level of talent Orton had in Chicago. So Cassel stats in 09 should replicate Ortons' stats of 08 while a starter as the Bears QB.

rastaman
07-10-2009, 07:44 AM
Agreed. Given the Broncos performance since his last AFC Championship game, I don't think Shanahan has the fire to build another team.

I'm laughing at those who are hoping that Shanahan get re-hired by the broncos. How does he buy any players respect after he got canned? Not to mention the horrible chokejob that he and his "franchise" QB delivered last year.

I partly disagree. I believe Shanny still has the drive to coach again, but it has to be the right situation. He has no interest to take over a team with journeyman Qb's. And I think after taking off for one year, will have given him time to reflect that the game has changed to the point where HC's no longer need to have full control. I think if Shanahan has the opportunity to rejoin Cutler in Chicago, he wouldn't hesistate. If Shanny is willing to compromise Defensive Coord and GM decisions and accountability the Bears could become something special.

strafen
07-10-2009, 07:47 AM
let us not forget Cassel had spent like 4 years learning/using and knew that "complicated" system foward and backwards

Doesn't matter. The guy never played a game in 4 years, and to perform the way he did, is remarkable. A lot has to be said about coaching...

SportinOne
07-10-2009, 08:07 AM
no, he had him as the top rated corner in the draft, and saw a chance to instantly improve the football team while still leaving the team with an entire round 1-7 draft next year. good trying though.

Hey, remember when Champ Bailey was at his PEAK, as the best corner in the league hands down, as one of the best all time? Remember when he was the best at defending, AND came up and stopped the run probably better than anyone else we had? Do you remember that? Do you remember that he STILL couldn't save the defense?

If so, then you tell me how in the world this rookie is going to do it for us because I am BEGGING to know. Have we not learned our lesson? It's about getting to the QB. No DL or LB's worth picking over Smith? Fine, then don't make the damn trade and pack that pick away for next year.

2 Questions:

1. Is Pat Bowlen really THAT cheap? Did he not want to spend the money?

or

2. Is McDaniels really that stupid?

Either way I'd say we are in trouble.

SportinOne
07-10-2009, 08:13 AM
Doesn't matter. The guy never played a game in 4 years, and to perform the way he did, is remarkable. A lot has to be said about coaching...

Consider the fact that the team he took control of, which was basically unchanged from the year prior (some would say improved), was the first team to EVER go 16-0 in the regular season. EVER. Irregardless of how they did in the super bowl, they were one of the greatest teams of all time... to ever play the game... What did Cassell and his coach do?

Not even make the playoffs.

TonyR
07-10-2009, 08:34 AM
Consider the fact that the team he took control of, which was basically unchanged from the year prior (some would say improved), was the first team to EVER go 16-0 in the regular season. EVER. Irregardless of how they did in the super bowl, they were one of the greatest teams of all time... to ever play the game... What did Cassell and his coach do?

Not even make the playoffs.

I think this is off base. I recall a lot of sentiment that NE was expected to slip some in '08. The team was aging in a lot of areas, particularly on defense, and let some FA's go after the '07 season (most notably Asante Samuel and Donte Stallworth). The missing the playoffs thing is also very misleading considering they went 11-5.

TonyR
07-10-2009, 08:37 AM
...tell me how in the world this rookie is going to do it for us because I am BEGGING to know.

I don't know that anyone is asking him, or expecting him, to save the defense. That's just stupid. He's only a part of an overall plan to rebuild the defense. You can certainly question both the pick and the move to make it but this "save the defense" angle is a little much.

And stop begging, it's not dignified...

kamakazi_kal
07-10-2009, 08:39 AM
their top notch defense was 16th in points allowed, and running game 24th in the league. yes tehy gameplanned more for forte than orton, but just goes to show you how "good" they were. go watch their WR play for a few games and youll understand they are no good, you dont need a great QB to be a great WR, go look at calvin johnson, andre johnson, steve smith etc, all poor to mediocre QBs throwing them the ball. no one in chicago shined anywhere close to that.

you underrate orton, like nearly everyone except chicago fans as most of them realize he was having a good year last year until he got injured. his #1 receiver was devin hester, whos been a receiver for a whole 2 years and has no other moves than his speed, how can you say maybe their WR are underrated?

orton played from behind against atlanta, their D blew that game as well.


as I stated in another thread that "average" defense scored in every game sometimes multiple times that Chicago won threw the first 7 games (orton's best) in every loss that D failed to score ...... and forte had ~60 receptions so you can't just call that running game average cause it's ranked 24th.

Chicago gutted the QB position ..... not the WR's that says something.

Broncomutt
07-10-2009, 08:53 AM
Mike would be a great hire for a team with a solid DC and GM.

So in other words an OC with the HC title? I suppose that type of specific situation could arise.

But I don't think it's that easy.

1) Shanny would have to want to coach in that market. It's just my opinion, but I don't see Shanny coaching in the Northeast for example.

2) The organization would have to be willing to pay top $$$ for his services. A 2 time SB champ coach (he'd be 1 of only 2 in the league, I think~Bellichek) is probably going to demand at least a top 5 salary.

3) The organization would have to have certain pieces in place. Shanny isn't going to take over a 2-14 franchise.

4) The owner is going to have to concede that his head coach is incapable of managing the communications within this multi-million dollar business at a 21st century level. You can argue "What does email have to do with football?", but I think it indicates a deeper problem of just being out of touch with modern society. IMHO, it's not the email, but this last point of being out of touch that is why Shanny's reign was terminated.

5) Interesting point about having a solid DC in place, Buff. Bear in mind that any good DC is going to have to be willing to work with Shanny in the first place. For the past decade, Shanny has been to DCs, what Al Davis has been to HCs. The irony of that one is never lost on me. You want to stick around while the organization hires a guy that's going to make you a scapegoat?

6) As somebody else here already mentioned, "What does Shanny have to prove?" He's already got a HoF resume. He's no spring chicken. I bet the "biased east coast media" would love to see him come back and fail, just so they can have endless discussions of how he's "tarnishing" his legacy.

These are just gut feelings of course.

I'll head back into my hole now. :peace:

TheDave
07-10-2009, 09:09 AM
You guys just wait and see the size of the contract that Jerry Jones and/or Dan Snyder drop in front of Shanny... Trust me he'll be coaching next year.

elsid13
07-10-2009, 09:13 AM
Bohm had the best tools coming out of college this year IMO. I was surprised we didn't take a look at him or the kid from Texas A&M who the Cowboys got. I highly doubt a bad performance by Orton/Simms will motivate McDaniels to make a trade for him, but if we're going to go with a young QB this draft would have been the time to do so. Unfortunately unless someone falls...Tebow is probably the one...we've lost our chance at getting a top flight prospect with the Smith trade.

We did have McGee in for workout, but we trade away the two thirds which is were he would have gone in draft.

oubronco
07-10-2009, 09:16 AM
You guys just wait and see the size of the contract that Jerry Jones and/or Dan Snyder drop in front of Shanny... Trust me he'll be coaching next year.

I agree

Broncomutt
07-10-2009, 09:24 AM
You guys just wait and see the size of the contract that Jerry Jones and/or Dan Snyder drop in front of Shanny... Trust me he'll be coaching next year.

While I disagree, if anybody does get Shanny off the couch, those would be the guys to do it. Of course, it will probably erupt in their faces like most other decision they've made for the past decade and a half. ;)

Feel free to bring this back up next year. I may be hungry. ;D

TonyR
07-10-2009, 09:25 AM
...I suppose that type of specific situation could arise.

But I don't think it's that easy....

...These are just gut feelings of course.

I'll head back into my hole now.

No, good post. You made a lot of valid points.

SportinOne
07-10-2009, 09:28 AM
I don't know that anyone is asking him, or expecting him, to save the defense. That's just stupid. He's only a part of an overall plan to rebuild the defense. You can certainly question both the pick and the move to make it but this "save the defense" angle is a little much.

And stop begging, it's not dignified...

You sure do have your undies in a bunch for a guy who completely agrees with what I just said. I like how you hinged your entire gripe on that one word, though. I never said he has to save the defense, he can't, it's impossible. I pointed that out by saying that even one of the best cornerbacks to ever play the game couldn't do it in the prime of his career.

All I am saying is that even if he reaches Champ status, his performance and how it translates to our overall defensive performance will never warrant that high of a draft pick. If there is one thing that us Denver fans have learned over the years it is that the front seven is much more important to defensive success than the secondary.

The guy might never be a true first string player at a position which, quite frankly, isn't that important. And we spent a top 10 pick on him.

SportinOne
07-10-2009, 09:41 AM
How about this:

Chicago absolutely tanks due to offensive and defensive injuries not including Jay Cutler.
Lovie gets fired
Dallas flops again
Wade Phillips gets fired

Then you have both Dallas and Chicago gunning for The Mastermind. If money is equal, which it probably won't be, how cool would it be to see who Shanhan picks: Cutler or Romo.

Just as well, we get a great draft pick out of it. This would totally make up for last offseason... sort of.

tsiguy96
07-10-2009, 09:43 AM
id love to see shanahan in chicago, then cutler can throw 600 times a year again and break all sorts of fantasy records! while still whining 8 games.

kamakazi_kal
07-10-2009, 10:42 AM
id love to see shanahan in chicago, then cutler can throw 600 times a year again and break all sorts of fantasy records! while still whining 8 games.

man .... what part of having to score every drive last year did you miss. EVERY runningback went down with injury.

The passing game was the only consistant part of the denver team last year.
we HAD to pass so much to have any chance of winning.
The same thing will happen this year if we suffer those kind of injuries at RB .... I don't think the D will be so much better

ScottXray
07-10-2009, 10:45 AM
How about this:

Chicago absolutely tanks due to offensive and defensive injuries not including Jay Cutler.
Lovie gets fired
Dallas flops again
Wade Phillips gets fired

Then you have both Dallas and Chicago gunning for The Mastermind. If money is equal, which it probably won't be, how cool would it be to see who Shanhan picks: Cutler or Romo.

Just as well, we get a great draft pick out of it. This would totally make up for last offseason... sort of.

Shanny likes to golf and Chicago is not known for that in the winter. Plus by then he'll have seen Chicagos year and what wunderkind jay does with it. I bet Dallas all the way. Besides he can build a new 70000 squ. foot home in Dallas cheaper (they have more room to roam down there)

TheDave
07-10-2009, 10:53 AM
Think of it this way guys... Both Jerry Jones and Snyder will be tripping over themselves to hire the next big name. Shanny fits that bill to a tee.

The bidding will probably start at 10 million per year for 5 years... 50 million will be plenty of "motivation" for shanny.

cousinal11
07-10-2009, 11:42 AM
What about Tom Brandstatter?

There is not a doubt in my mind that he will be our starting QB before the end of 2010. No doubt.

cousinal11
07-10-2009, 11:44 AM
Think of it this way guys... Both Jerry Jones and Snyder will be tripping over themselves to hire the next big name. Shanny fits that bill to a tee.

The bidding will probably start at 10 million per year for 5 years... 50 million will be plenty of "motivation" for shanny.

Agree. Shanny and Cowher both return next season. One to Washington, the other to Dallas, with Chicago being a darkhorse for Shanny's services.

Ambiguous
07-10-2009, 04:53 PM
Said it before and got laughed at, and I'll say it again and get laughed at...Again.

Derek Anderson.

LOL

rastaman
07-12-2009, 08:30 AM
How about this:

Chicago absolutely tanks due to offensive and defensive injuries not including Jay Cutler.
Lovie gets fired
Dallas flops again
Wade Phillips gets fired

Then you have both Dallas and Chicago gunning for The Mastermind. If money is equal, which it probably won't be, how cool would it be to see who Shanhan picks: Cutler or Romo.

Just as well, we get a great draft pick out of it. This would totally make up for last offseason... sort of.

Sure both sides win. Except Denver is at a disadvantage b/c drafting isn't an exact science. McDaniels may draft higher, this however doesn't guarantee that he can draft a pro bowl caliber player.

rastaman
07-12-2009, 08:35 AM
Shanny likes to golf and Chicago is not known for that in the winter. Plus by then he'll have seen Chicagos year and what wunderkind jay does with it. I bet Dallas all the way. Besides he can build a new 70000 squ. foot home in Dallas cheaper (they have more room to roam down there)

Why would Shanny want to work for a prima donna--younger Al Davis! and why would Shanny want to work with another Jake Plumber in Romo!

Shanny should avoid Dallas like its the Ebola Virus.

Hamrob
07-12-2009, 09:33 AM
I can't see that happening. Shanahan wants full power over the team and San Diego has a GM. The two will not get along, kind of like Marty.If San Diego doesn't go deep into the playoffs...I wouldn't doubt if both Turner and their GM is shown the door. That would open up things perfectly for the Chargers.

fdf
07-12-2009, 01:09 PM
Or we could send one of these back to the 1970's after McDaniels Mom... ;D

http://www.collider.com/wp-content/image-base/Movies/T/Terminator/terminator_movie__2_.jpg

Or go back to the 2000-2008 Broncos and give them some drafting, coaching, and free agency tips. (Dale Carter is a bad idea. Nope, no IHOP. Sam Adams is way past his prime. Trade up for Vince Wilfork. No, the 2006 broncos are NOT just a few players away from the superbowl. You're going to trade up for Jarvis who? Jim Bates? Pass. Slowick? pass. Foster, Lelie, Toviessi, O'Neal, Nash, and Middlebrooks are probably bad ideas . . . ).

Stuff like that.

TheReverend
07-12-2009, 02:20 PM
Or go back to the 2000-2008 Broncos and give them some drafting, coaching, and free agency tips. (Dale Carter is a bad idea. Nope, no IHOP. Sam Adams is way past his prime. Trade up for Vince Wilfork. No, the 2006 broncos are NOT just a few players away from the superbowl. You're going to trade up for Jarvis who? Jim Bates? Pass. Slowick? pass. Foster, Lelie, Toviessi, O'Neal, Nash, and Middlebrooks are probably bad ideas . . . ).

Stuff like that.

Or the Terminator could just give his metal neck to Al Wilson after the 05 season and we'd probably have hit the playoffs every season since.

tsiguy96
07-12-2009, 02:25 PM
You sure do have your undies in a bunch for a guy who completely agrees with what I just said. I like how you hinged your entire gripe on that one word, though. I never said he has to save the defense, he can't, it's impossible. I pointed that out by saying that even one of the best cornerbacks to ever play the game couldn't do it in the prime of his career.

All I am saying is that even if he reaches Champ status, his performance and how it translates to our overall defensive performance will never warrant that high of a draft pick. If there is one thing that us Denver fans have learned over the years it is that the front seven is much more important to defensive success than the secondary.

The guy might never be a true first string player at a position which, quite frankly, isn't that important. And we spent a top 10 pick on him.

you truly are an idiot. a corner who you know will be good as champ is worth the #1 overall pick, much less a top 10, which you seem to have looked into teh future and know that we are drafting top 10. you are gonna look like a ****ing idiot if the team wins 7-10 games and guess what? we are no longer drafting in the top 10.

get a ****ing clue.

fdf
07-13-2009, 01:21 AM
Or the Terminator could just give his metal neck to Al Wilson after the 05 season and we'd probably have hit the playoffs every season since.

I miss Al. It's hard to believe one guy made such a difference in the D. You hear all the blah blah about how this player and that player is the "heart" of a defense. Al Wilson really was. A rather poor set of players played far above their skill level when Wilson was QB'ing the D.

Popps
07-13-2009, 01:30 AM
Losing Al and John Lynch was just too much.

Here's hoping Dawkins can bring some of that leadership back to Denver.

footstepsfrom#27
07-13-2009, 02:12 AM
you truly are an idiot. a corner who you know will be good as champ is worth the #1 overall pick, much less a top 10
Who? ???